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| netdog | highvoltage: :) | 08:22 |
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| highvoltage | hey netdog | 08:46 |
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| RichEd | hi highvoltage netdog Baby | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | good morning RichEd | 09:34 |
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| JonNoob | Anybody have any thoughts on choosing i386 version or amd64 version for a edubuntu feisty server? | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | JonNoob: I don't know whether the 64bit version really gives such a large performance boost, I think the i386 setup will be easier, especially if you'll be booting i386 clients | 11:55 |
| highvoltage | JonNoob: also, things like flash and java doesn't work on 64bit, afaik | 11:55 |
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| pips1 | ogra: RichEd meeting in four minutes? | 01:56 |
| RichEd | hi pips ... yes ... hopefully a short one ... | 01:57 |
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| ogra | pips1, more or less ... tech will be pretty short, i'm in the middle of debiugging tribe4 | 01:57 |
| ogra | doesnt work :( | 01:57 |
| === ogra quickly makes some fresh coffee | ||
| === RichEd has a holiday tomorrow ... and a leave day friday ... need to wrap up for the weekend so i can spend some time with my kids | ||
| RichEd | so short tech is good ... and more user / community next week when we have the US people awake | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: 2pm this afternoon? | 01:58 |
| highvoltage | (ie now?) | 01:58 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: yes indeed ... 2 mins | 01:59 |
| RichEd | get your coffee now :) | 01:59 |
| cliebow_ | #ub-->? | 01:59 |
| RichEd | === edubuntu meeting in 2 mins === in #ubuntu-meeting | 01:59 |
| highvoltage | ok :) | 01:59 |
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| RichEd | ogra ... i am pulling down the additional intel drivers ... found a help page on the wiki | 02:48 |
| ogra | ah | 02:49 |
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| cliebow_ | ogra:any input on thin-client-manager..i dont see squat when i start it.. | 03:09 |
| ogra | cliebow, sbalneav changed the commandline we look for in the proclist | 03:10 |
| cliebow_ | ahhh. | 03:10 |
| ogra | i havent gotten to the gui pieces yet ... will fix that before freeze (16th) | 03:11 |
| cliebow_ | grewat..no pucker here.. | 03:11 |
| ogra | i hope i have the time to also get ltsp-manager going at least with default global settings | 03:11 |
| cliebow_ | lemme know if i can mock it up and try anything.. | 03:11 |
| cliebow_ | locate invoke | 03:19 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 03:23 |
| highvoltage | hello sbalneav | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | hey highvoltage | 03:25 |
| cliebow_ | Hey Scottie! | 03:27 |
| JonNoob | Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it. | 03:28 |
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| LaserJock | RichEd: poke | 04:39 |
| RichEd | hi LaserJock ... | 04:43 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:55 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: ping | 04:57 |
| JonNoob | Which kernel should I choose to install for my server? linux-generic, linux-image-386, linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-386? | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | JonNoob: well, those are actually only 2 kernels | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | generic and 386 | 05:00 |
| netdog | kbye | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | and generic should generally work fine | 05:00 |
| JonNoob | ok.. Thanks for clearing that up for me.... | 05:00 |
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| LaserJock | JonNoob: installing linux-generic pulls in all the needed packages | 05:10 |
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| cliebow_ | anyone have a doc on reverting to xdmcp? | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | ogra: is tribe 4 looking good? | 05:26 |
| ogra | no | 05:26 |
| ogra | very bad atm | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | uh oh | 05:27 |
| ogra | and i didnt even have time to look at the oversizedness of the liveCD yet | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 05:27 |
| LaserJock | ogra: yikes, amd64 is 727MB and i386 is 712MB | 05:28 |
| ogra | yep | 05:28 |
| ogra | LaserJock, server not installing at all is worse | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wish I knew how to take care of the oversized LiveCD more | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | do you just drop stuff from the seeds to slim it down? | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | or is there more work to it? | 05:29 |
| ogra | no, dropp stuff is fine ing | 05:30 |
| ogra | oops | 05:30 |
| ogra | dropping stuff is fine | 05:30 |
| ogra | even though that rather looks like something extra went in since tribe3 | 05:30 |
| ogra | like duplicated kernel or so | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | I can take a look at the seeds if you want | 05:31 |
| ogra | that would help a lot | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | ogra: amd64 shipps with more langs | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | es xh de fr | 05:32 |
| ogra | yeah, we can drop all but -en worst case | 05:32 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: I don't see much of anything in live and ship-live that could really go but the amd64 langs | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | ogra: perhaps desktop is just getting bigger? | 05:36 |
| ogra | well, server didnt explode | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | ohhh | 05:38 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I know gcompris added some new sound langs | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | but those shouldn't be on there anyway | 05:39 |
| ogra | no, they are seeded specifically | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | geeze, and tux* aren't even on amd64 | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | that's weird | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | hmm, the kde lang packs are twice the size of the gnome ones | 05:43 |
| ogra | yeah :( | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | well, looking at the diff with ubuntu's live seed | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | it looks to me like langpacks might be it | 05:46 |
| ogra | likely ... thats often also the easiest way to gain space | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | they only put es xh on amd64 | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | and obviously no KDE ;-) | 05:47 |
| ogra | pitti has a size list somewhere iirc | 05:47 |
| LaserJock | and ship-live are identical between edubuntu and ubuntu | 05:48 |
| ogra | -desktop arent ... | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | ogra: actually, I just did a bzr pull, ubuntu took out *all* non en lang packs | 05:50 |
| ogra | heh | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | that must be it | 05:52 |
| ogra | feel free to fix the seeds :) | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | ok, well, do you care about -desktop at this point? | 05:54 |
| ogra | nope, as long as its fubctional | 05:54 |
| ogra | err, well size wise i do | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | well, I was wondering if you wanted desktop more in sync with ubuntu's | 05:55 |
| ogra | but if lang dropping is sufficient ... *shrug* | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | but I'm guessing it's a little late to be messing with it | 05:55 |
| ogra | nah, not now | 05:55 |
| ogra | apart from mono stuff in ubuntu and some edu apps in ours it should be pretty much in sync | 05:56 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: pong | 06:00 |
| highvoltage | kbye netdog | 06:00 |
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| ogra | NotAmaranth, we still see you ... | 06:06 |
| NotAmaranth | ogra: I took off my cloak ;) | 06:07 |
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| highvoltage | hehe | 06:14 |
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| frostyfrog | Is it possible to convert and/or run exe files? | 06:47 |
| JonNoob | frostyfrog- only in wine | 06:47 |
| frostyfrog | I want to run furcsetup023a.exe | 06:48 |
| JonNoob | And what is that for??? | 06:48 |
| frostyfrog | a game. | 06:48 |
| JonNoob | Well then you really do need Wine. | 06:49 |
| frostyfrog | wine? what's that? | 06:50 |
| frostyfrog | Emerald Flame: There's at least one other thread on this subject on this forums as well. I do worry that as we update more in the next year or so, we will go father away from beign supported by Wine. Perhaps it's time someone did make a Linux Furcadia client. I'm afraid we do not have time to do one and support it officially though. | 06:51 |
| gduteil | hello | 06:51 |
| frostyfrog | hi | 06:51 |
| gduteil | wine is a emulator of windows | 06:51 |
| frostyfrog | do you know where I could ge it? | 06:52 |
| gduteil | wine.org | 06:52 |
| frostyfrog | ok | 06:52 |
| JonNoob | you could also try joining #wine | 06:52 |
| gduteil | http://www.winehq.org/ | 06:53 |
| gduteil | sorry i'm a poor frenchie ;-) | 06:53 |
| frostyfrog | ok | 06:55 |
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| frostyfrog | http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb -- how can I know which version my ubuntu is? | 06:56 |
| frostyfrog | brb | 06:56 |
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| anutile | having trouble with log out. All user all of a sudden can not log out of desktop. It just sits there at their desktop. Need to ctrl-alt-backspace but of course this leaves alot of left over processes | 07:10 |
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| JonNoob | Hi. Does anybody know how to completely remove a raid1 software raid? It is really slow, so i wan't to begin from scratch. | 07:18 |
| anutile | look at dpkg-reconfigure it will ask to remove the markings on the drives that associate it with raid maybe dpkg-reconfigure mdadm | 07:20 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: I figure dropping the non-en lang packs will get us ~ 20MB | 07:39 |
| ogra | only on amd64 though | 07:39 |
| ogra | the non -en langs in live are all tagged with [amd64] | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:40 |
| anutile | I figured out the LDM problem for me. The servers gdm had crashed causing this hang. | 07:40 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: kstars is ~ 10MB and is only i386 | 07:43 |
| ogra | uuuh | 07:44 |
| ogra | dropping kstars is quite hard | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | yes :( | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | the other one would be tuxpaint | 07:46 |
| ogra | which partially breaks gcompris | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | oh dang, right | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | you know, if we turned it into a demo CD I think we could do this much better | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | like taking off build-essential perhaps, and ubiquity-* | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | either that or we make a special live desktop seed | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | but i386 has already got all the lang packs removed | 07:49 |
| ogra | right | 07:49 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: any suggestions? I can do the leg work I think, but I'm not sure where to hack :/ | 07:51 |
| ogra | well, for now lets take tuxpaint out | 07:51 |
| ogra | that will gain more than 10M i guess | 07:52 |
| ogra | quick but temporary "fix" | 07:52 |
| LaserJock | what about gcompris? | 07:52 |
| ogra | we'll live with the bug for now | 07:52 |
| ogra | i really dont understand why it exploded that heavily, but digging the logs for all possible changes one by one over the last weeks takes to much time now | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | will germinate complain if the gcompris deps aren't satisfied? | 07:53 |
| ogra | lets go without tuxpaint for now and find the real cause for the breakage if we have tiome for that | 07:54 |
| ogra | tuxpaint shouldnt be a dep | 07:54 |
| ogra | its a recommends afaik | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | well ... I changed that to fix the bug :( | 07:54 |
| ogra | meh | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | although I'm not convinced absolutely that the bug even exists anymore | 07:54 |
| LaserJock | it seems difficult to reproduce | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | ogra: sorry dude, I was trying to just fix the bug :( | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | until upstream had it all figured out | 07:56 |
| ogra | then its kstars ... even though i dont think that getw us as much | 07:56 |
| ogra | *gets | 07:56 |
| LaserJock | oh hmmm, I'm not sure if it'll be quite enough on it's own | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | I got 10MB for the .deb size | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | and we were 12MB over :( | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | ogra: how long does it take for the .iso to build? | 07:58 |
| ogra | 20 min or so | 07:58 |
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| ogra | but i suspect pitti will do all flavours so it depends when we're on | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | ogra: well, I could whip up a gcompris without tuxpaint dep, if it's not too late to push that through | 07:59 |
| ogra | well, we have to revert that later again | 07:59 |
| ogra | lets keep it and look for other stuff | 07:59 |
| ogra | any idea how much build-essential would give us ? | 08:02 |
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| LaserJock | hmmpf, I just tried gcompris on gutsy without the tuxpaint dep and it worked fine :/ | 08:06 |
| ogra | apart from the tuxpaint menu option | 08:07 |
| ogra | in gcompris | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | well, but it comes up and says "You need to install tuxpaint" and exits that activity nicely | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | which is what it's supposed to do | 08:07 |
| ogra | yeah | 08:07 |
| ogra | ok | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | as opposed to freezing or hanging like it used to | 08:07 |
| ogra | lets revert that then and drop tuxpaint for now | 08:07 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I guess fakesync with an ubuntu2 version should work? | 08:09 |
| ogra | just asking pitti | 08:09 |
| ogra | ok ! | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | freaky, I've already got a changelog entry for ubuntu2 | 08:10 |
| ogra | ok, you do the gcompris change, i'll fix the seeds | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | at least we dont't have to upload the .orig.tar.gz ;-) | 08:13 |
| ogra | yeah | 08:13 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: blah, I wonder if amd64 will still be too big, tuxpaint will only affect i386 | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | oh wait | 08:18 |
| ogra | i dropped the langs on amd | 08:18 |
| ogra | and tuxpaint on x86 | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | but I figure the langs only get us ~ 20MB | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | hopefully something changes :-) | 08:18 |
| ogra | well, then we dont have amd64 live ... | 08:18 |
| ogra | *shrug* | 08:18 |
| ogra | its a milestone ... | 08:19 |
| ogra | i would be concerned if it were beta | 08:19 |
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| LaserJock | tuxpaint-stamps is an _all package of 21MB | 08:20 |
| Zac1 | hello? | 08:20 |
| Zac1 | anyone? | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | I guess that still wouldn't affect amd64 though as it didn't need it in the first place | 08:20 |
| Zac1 | hello? | 08:20 |
| Zac1 | anyone there? | 08:20 |
| ogra | but we could add some langs to i386 :P | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | ogra: yeah | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | Zac1: just ask your questions :-) | 08:21 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: anything you need me to do while you're on your break? | 08:22 |
| Zac1 | hello? | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | Zac1: hello | 08:23 |
| Zac1 | im trying to add a okidata printer to my system | 08:24 |
| Zac1 | can you help me? | 08:25 |
| Zac1 | RichEd? | 08:25 |
| Zac1 | can you help me with edubuntu printers? | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | Zac1: I think you are probably better off asking #ubuntu as they have a lot more people | 08:26 |
| Zac1 | thanks | 08:27 |
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Help testing Tribe-4 candidates: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Edubuntu ! | ||
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| === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Help testing Tribe-4 candidates: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Edubuntu ! | ||
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| LaserJock | stgraber: still around? | 11:47 |
| stgraber | yes | 11:48 |
| stgraber | starting edubuntu testing | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: is there a way that I can know if I have an account on you iso testing thingy | 11:48 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: let me check | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | I can't remember if I've actually created an account or not | 11:49 |
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| stgraber | LaserJock: no LaserJock account and no account with mantha in the mail addi | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | ok, good | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: and does your iso testing site link to the isos? | 11:53 |
| stgraber | yes, click on the icon next to the iso name | 11:53 |
| stgraber | you should have http, rsync and md5 | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | This ISO wasn't found on cdimage.ubuntu.com (may no longer exists) | 11:55 |
| stgraber | with which one ? | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | that's for the Edubuntu Server Addon i386 | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | same for amd64 | 11:55 |
| stgraber | ok, that's a tracker bug, will quickly fix it | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | and what is "Edubuntu Upgrade" ? | 11:57 |
| stgraber | Feisty -> Gutsy upgrade | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | ok, so know when the Tribe4 Desktop CD gets built it'll show up on the Edubuntu list? | 11:58 |
| stgraber | yes | 12:00 |
| stgraber | LaserJock: serveraddon now working | 12:04 |
| stgraber | btw, I'll need to rewrite this whole function as it's full of hack :) | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:05 |
| stgraber | well generating the cdimage.u.c path from the title shown on the tracker isn't that easy :) | 12:06 |
| stgraber | I also have some bad "gutsy" hardcoded which could shortly be a problem :) | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | well, that's what doing it in iterations is all about | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | make it "workable" first, then polish it up | 12:08 |
| stgraber | yes, and it'll need a lot of polish if we want it to be used by the mozilla team/kernel team and some hardware team as well | 12:12 |
| stgraber | as it's currently full of ISO-specific hack | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: is it running on a Canonical machine? it's a bit slow, I'd imagine you'd get hit pretty hard during Tribe/Release times | 12:14 |
| stgraber | it's on my dedicated server for now (256MB of ram and tons of other services running as well) | 12:15 |
| stgraber | there is something like 20MB of free ram :) | 12:15 |
| stgraber | Henrik told me Canonical is installing a server for us, so it'll get faster :) | 12:16 |
| stgraber | (and SSL with 20MB of Ram on a 2Ghz Celeron CPU isn't that fast either ....) | 12:17 |
| LaserJock | stgraber: no, not at all | 12:17 |
| stgraber | Drupal caching already help a bit, only user-specific pages are slow now (the worst being when you actually submit results) | 12:20 |
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