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[11:55] JonNoob: I don't know whether the 64bit version really gives such a large performance boost, I think the i386 setup will be easier, especially if you'll be booting i386 clients [11:55] JonNoob: also, things like flash and java doesn't work on 64bit, afaik === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@pool-72-73-105-6.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@37.179.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A978C2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === JonNoob is now away - Reason : NEED FOOD..... === tck [n=tck@213-202-142-118.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #edubuntu === JonNoob_ [n=IceChat7@83.95.43.66] has joined #edubuntu [01:56] ogra: RichEd meeting in four minutes? [01:57] hi pips ... yes ... hopefully a short one ... === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu [01:57] pips1, more or less ... tech will be pretty short, i'm in the middle of debiugging tribe4 [01:57] doesnt work :( === ogra quickly makes some fresh coffee === RichEd has a holiday tomorrow ... and a leave day friday ... need to wrap up for the weekend so i can spend some time with my kids [01:58] so short tech is good ... and more user / community next week when we have the US people awake [01:58] RichEd: 2pm this afternoon? [01:58] (ie now?) [01:59] highvoltage: yes indeed ... 2 mins [01:59] get your coffee now :) [01:59] #ub-->? [01:59] === edubuntu meeting in 2 mins === in #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] ok :) === JonNoob [n=IceChat7@83.95.43.66] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] ogra ... i am pulling down the additional intel drivers ... found a help page on the wiki [02:49] ah === netdog [n=imesias@196.1.58.192] has joined #edubuntu === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-3028d2e6bb9b0bdd] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Jeroen_ [n=tekkel@kantoor.jronline.nl] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] ogra:any input on thin-client-manager..i dont see squat when i start it.. [03:10] cliebow, sbalneav changed the commandline we look for in the proclist [03:10] ahhh. [03:11] i havent gotten to the gui pieces yet ... will fix that before freeze (16th) [03:11] grewat..no pucker here.. [03:11] i hope i have the time to also get ltsp-manager going at least with default global settings [03:11] lemme know if i can mock it up and try anything.. [03:19] locate invoke === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:23] Morning all [03:24] hello sbalneav [03:25] hey highvoltage [03:27] Hey Scottie! [03:28] Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it. === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [04:39] RichEd: poke [04:43] hi LaserJock ... === firesling [n=timmeade@nat.wildwood.edu] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #edubuntu [04:55] Heya [04:57] highvoltage: ping [04:59] Which kernel should I choose to install for my server? linux-generic, linux-image-386, linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-386? [05:00] JonNoob: well, those are actually only 2 kernels [05:00] generic and 386 [05:00] kbye [05:00] and generic should generally work fine [05:00] ok.. Thanks for clearing that up for me.... === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.148.105] has joined #edubuntu [05:10] JonNoob: installing linux-generic pulls in all the needed packages === JonNoob is now away - Reason : Stretching my legs...... [05:16] anyone have a doc on reverting to xdmcp? [05:26] ogra: is tribe 4 looking good? [05:26] no [05:27] very bad atm [05:27] uh oh [05:27] and i didnt even have time to look at the oversizedness of the liveCD yet [05:27] hmm [05:28] ogra: yikes, amd64 is 727MB and i386 is 712MB [05:28] yep [05:29] LaserJock, server not installing at all is worse [05:29] hmm, I wish I knew how to take care of the oversized LiveCD more [05:29] do you just drop stuff from the seeds to slim it down? [05:29] or is there more work to it? [05:30] no, dropp stuff is fine ing [05:30] oops [05:30] dropping stuff is fine [05:30] even though that rather looks like something extra went in since tribe3 [05:30] like duplicated kernel or so [05:31] I can take a look at the seeds if you want [05:32] that would help a lot [05:32] ogra: amd64 shipps with more langs [05:32] es xh de fr [05:32] yeah, we can drop all but -en worst case === dalyGrind [n=daire@cpc3-blfs2-0-0-cust776.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:36] ogra: I don't see much of anything in live and ship-live that could really go but the amd64 langs [05:36] ogra: perhaps desktop is just getting bigger? [05:37] well, server didnt explode [05:38] hmm [05:38] ohhh [05:39] hmm, I know gcompris added some new sound langs [05:39] but those shouldn't be on there anyway [05:39] no, they are seeded specifically [05:40] geeze, and tux* aren't even on amd64 [05:40] that's weird [05:43] hmm, the kde lang packs are twice the size of the gnome ones [05:44] yeah :( [05:46] well, looking at the diff with ubuntu's live seed [05:46] it looks to me like langpacks might be it [05:47] likely ... thats often also the easiest way to gain space [05:47] they only put es xh on amd64 [05:47] and obviously no KDE ;-) [05:47] pitti has a size list somewhere iirc [05:48] and ship-live are identical between edubuntu and ubuntu [05:50] -desktop arent ... [05:50] ogra: actually, I just did a bzr pull, ubuntu took out *all* non en lang packs [05:50] heh [05:52] that must be it [05:53] feel free to fix the seeds :) [05:54] ok, well, do you care about -desktop at this point? [05:54] nope, as long as its fubctional [05:55] err, well size wise i do [05:55] well, I was wondering if you wanted desktop more in sync with ubuntu's [05:55] but if lang dropping is sufficient ... *shrug* [05:55] but I'm guessing it's a little late to be messing with it [05:55] nah, not now [05:56] apart from mono stuff in ubuntu and some edu apps in ours it should be pretty much in sync [06:00] RichEd: pong [06:00] kbye netdog === Amaranth is now known as NotAmaranth [06:06] NotAmaranth, we still see you ... [06:07] ogra: I took off my cloak ;) === ogra shades his eyes [06:14] hehe === frostyfrog [n=chatzill@c-67-164-201-113.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@pool-72-65-98-87.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === gduteil [n=gduteil@bel62-2-88-160-33-63.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:47] Is it possible to convert and/or run exe files? [06:47] frostyfrog- only in wine [06:48] I want to run furcsetup023a.exe [06:48] And what is that for??? [06:48] a game. [06:49] Well then you really do need Wine. [06:50] wine? what's that? [06:51] Emerald Flame: There's at least one other thread on this subject on this forums as well. I do worry that as we update more in the next year or so, we will go father away from beign supported by Wine. Perhaps it's time someone did make a Linux Furcadia client. I'm afraid we do not have time to do one and support it officially though. [06:51] hello [06:51] hi [06:51] wine is a emulator of windows [06:52] do you know where I could ge it? [06:52] wine.org [06:52] ok [06:52] you could also try joining #wine [06:53] http://www.winehq.org/ [06:53] sorry i'm a poor frenchie ;-) [06:55] ok === gduteil is now known as technobeth [06:56] http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb -- how can I know which version my ubuntu is? [06:56] brb === ananas [n=ananas-m@xdslbg134.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === anutile [n=anutile@natpriority.adsl.spfdma.crocker.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:10] having trouble with log out. All user all of a sudden can not log out of desktop. It just sits there at their desktop. Need to ctrl-alt-backspace but of course this leaves alot of left over processes [07:15] 7join #ubuntu [07:18] Hi. Does anybody know how to completely remove a raid1 software raid? It is really slow, so i wan't to begin from scratch. [07:20] look at dpkg-reconfigure it will ask to remove the markings on the drives that associate it with raid maybe dpkg-reconfigure mdadm === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [07:39] ogra: I figure dropping the non-en lang packs will get us ~ 20MB [07:39] only on amd64 though [07:40] the non -en langs in live are all tagged with [amd64] [07:40] yes [07:40] I figured out the LDM problem for me. The servers gdm had crashed causing this hang. === t94xr_ [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu [07:43] ogra: kstars is ~ 10MB and is only i386 [07:44] uuuh [07:44] dropping kstars is quite hard [07:44] yes :( [07:46] the other one would be tuxpaint [07:46] which partially breaks gcompris [07:46] oh dang, right [07:47] you know, if we turned it into a demo CD I think we could do this much better [07:47] like taking off build-essential perhaps, and ubiquity-* [07:48] either that or we make a special live desktop seed [07:49] but i386 has already got all the lang packs removed [07:49] right === t94xr [n=gta@60-234-134-174.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #edubuntu [07:51] ogra: any suggestions? I can do the leg work I think, but I'm not sure where to hack :/ [07:51] well, for now lets take tuxpaint out [07:52] that will gain more than 10M i guess [07:52] quick but temporary "fix" [07:52] what about gcompris? [07:52] we'll live with the bug for now [07:53] i really dont understand why it exploded that heavily, but digging the logs for all possible changes one by one over the last weeks takes to much time now [07:53] will germinate complain if the gcompris deps aren't satisfied? [07:54] lets go without tuxpaint for now and find the real cause for the breakage if we have tiome for that [07:54] tuxpaint shouldnt be a dep [07:54] its a recommends afaik [07:54] well ... I changed that to fix the bug :( [07:54] meh [07:54] although I'm not convinced absolutely that the bug even exists anymore [07:55] it seems difficult to reproduce [07:55] ogra: sorry dude, I was trying to just fix the bug :( [07:56] until upstream had it all figured out [07:56] then its kstars ... even though i dont think that getw us as much [07:56] *gets [07:57] oh hmmm, I'm not sure if it'll be quite enough on it's own [07:57] I got 10MB for the .deb size [07:57] and we were 12MB over :( [07:58] ogra: how long does it take for the .iso to build? [07:58] 20 min or so === LaserJock crosses fingers and toes [07:58] but i suspect pitti will do all flavours so it depends when we're on [07:59] ogra: well, I could whip up a gcompris without tuxpaint dep, if it's not too late to push that through [07:59] well, we have to revert that later again [07:59] lets keep it and look for other stuff [08:02] any idea how much build-essential would give us ? === n2diy [n=darryl@69.72.85.102] has joined #edubuntu === pauljw_vm [n=paul@pool1.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:06] hmmpf, I just tried gcompris on gutsy without the tuxpaint dep and it worked fine :/ [08:07] apart from the tuxpaint menu option [08:07] in gcompris [08:07] well, but it comes up and says "You need to install tuxpaint" and exits that activity nicely [08:07] which is what it's supposed to do [08:07] yeah [08:07] ok [08:07] as opposed to freezing or hanging like it used to [08:07] lets revert that then and drop tuxpaint for now [08:09] ok, so I guess fakesync with an ubuntu2 version should work? [08:09] just asking pitti [08:10] ok ! [08:10] freaky, I've already got a changelog entry for ubuntu2 [08:10] ok, you do the gcompris change, i'll fix the seeds [08:13] at least we dont't have to upload the .orig.tar.gz ;-) [08:13] yeah === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #edubuntu [08:17] ogra: blah, I wonder if amd64 will still be too big, tuxpaint will only affect i386 [08:18] oh wait [08:18] i dropped the langs on amd [08:18] and tuxpaint on x86 [08:18] but I figure the langs only get us ~ 20MB [08:18] hopefully something changes :-) [08:18] well, then we dont have amd64 live ... [08:18] *shrug* [08:19] its a milestone ... [08:19] i would be concerned if it were beta === Zac1 [n=zach@ip72-199-61-11.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:20] tuxpaint-stamps is an _all package of 21MB [08:20] hello? [08:20] anyone? [08:20] I guess that still wouldn't affect amd64 though as it didn't need it in the first place [08:20] hello? [08:20] anyone there? [08:20] but we could add some langs to i386 :P [08:21] ogra: yeah [08:21] Zac1: just ask your questions :-) === ogra takes a looong break now .. working since 12h [08:22] ogra: anything you need me to do while you're on your break? [08:23] hello? [08:23] Zac1: hello [08:24] im trying to add a okidata printer to my system [08:25] can you help me? [08:25] RichEd? [08:26] can you help me with edubuntu printers? [08:26] Zac1: I think you are probably better off asking #ubuntu as they have a lot more people [08:27] thanks === Zac1 [n=zach@ip72-199-61-11.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #edubuntu [] === tck_ [n=tck@A-105-125.cust.iol.ie] has joined #edubuntu === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Help testing Tribe-4 candidates: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Edubuntu ! === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Tue Aug 7 11:51:12 2007 === #edubuntu [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === tck_ is now known as tck === tck_ [n=tck@78.16.0.204] has joined #edubuntu === ZachM [n=zach@ip72-199-61-11.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu === ZachM [n=zach@ip72-199-61-11.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #edubuntu [] === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | feisty (7.04) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download | Help testing Tribe-4 candidates: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Edubuntu ! === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Tue Aug 7 11:51:12 2007 [11:47] stgraber: still around? [11:48] yes [11:48] starting edubuntu testing [11:48] stgraber: is there a way that I can know if I have an account on you iso testing thingy [11:48] LaserJock: let me check [11:49] I can't remember if I've actually created an account or not === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === JonNoob [n=IceChat7@83.95.43.66] has joined #edubuntu [11:51] LaserJock: no LaserJock account and no account with mantha in the mail addi [11:51] ok, good [11:53] stgraber: and does your iso testing site link to the isos? [11:53] yes, click on the icon next to the iso name [11:54] you should have http, rsync and md5 [11:55] This ISO wasn't found on cdimage.ubuntu.com (may no longer exists) [11:55] with which one ? [11:55] that's for the Edubuntu Server Addon i386 [11:55] same for amd64 [11:56] ok, that's a tracker bug, will quickly fix it [11:57] and what is "Edubuntu Upgrade" ? [11:57] Feisty -> Gutsy upgrade [11:58] ok, so know when the Tribe4 Desktop CD gets built it'll show up on the Edubuntu list? [12:00] yes [12:04] LaserJock: serveraddon now working [12:05] btw, I'll need to rewrite this whole function as it's full of hack :) [12:05] heh [12:06] well generating the cdimage.u.c path from the title shown on the tracker isn't that easy :) [12:07] I also have some bad "gutsy" hardcoded which could shortly be a problem :) [12:08] well, that's what doing it in iterations is all about [12:08] make it "workable" first, then polish it up [12:12] yes, and it'll need a lot of polish if we want it to be used by the mozilla team/kernel team and some hardware team as well [12:13] as it's currently full of ISO-specific hack [12:14] stgraber: is it running on a Canonical machine? it's a bit slow, I'd imagine you'd get hit pretty hard during Tribe/Release times [12:15] it's on my dedicated server for now (256MB of ram and tons of other services running as well) [12:15] there is something like 20MB of free ram :) [12:16] Henrik told me Canonical is installing a server for us, so it'll get faster :) [12:17] (and SSL with 20MB of Ram on a 2Ghz Celeron CPU isn't that fast either ....) [12:17] stgraber: no, not at all [12:20] Drupal caching already help a bit, only user-specific pages are slow now (the worst being when you actually submit results)