[08:22] <netdog> highvoltage: :)
[08:46] <highvoltage> hey netdog
[09:30] <RichEd> hi highvoltage netdog Baby
[09:34] <highvoltage> good morning RichEd
[11:47] <JonNoob> Anybody have any thoughts on choosing i386 version or amd64 version for a edubuntu feisty server?
[11:55] <highvoltage> JonNoob: I don't know whether the 64bit version really gives such a large performance boost, I think the i386 setup will be easier, especially if you'll be booting i386 clients
[11:55] <highvoltage> JonNoob: also, things like flash and java doesn't work on 64bit, afaik
[01:56] <pips1> ogra: RichEd meeting in four minutes?
[01:57] <RichEd> hi pips ... yes ... hopefully a short one ...
[01:57] <ogra> pips1, more or less ... tech will be pretty short, i'm in the middle of debiugging tribe4
[01:57] <ogra> doesnt work :(
[01:58] <RichEd> so short tech is good ... and more user / community next week when we have the US people awake
[01:58] <highvoltage> RichEd: 2pm this afternoon?
[01:58] <highvoltage> (ie now?)
[01:59] <RichEd> highvoltage: yes indeed ... 2 mins
[01:59] <RichEd> get your coffee now :)
[01:59] <cliebow_> #ub-->?
[01:59] <RichEd> [01:59] <highvoltage> ok :)
[02:48] <RichEd> ogra ... i am pulling down the additional intel drivers ... found a help page on the wiki
[02:49] <ogra> ah
[03:09] <cliebow_> ogra:any input on thin-client-manager..i dont see squat when i start it..
[03:10] <ogra> cliebow, sbalneav changed the commandline we look for in the proclist
[03:10] <cliebow_> ahhh.
[03:11] <ogra> i havent gotten to the gui pieces yet ... will fix that before freeze (16th)
[03:11] <cliebow_> grewat..no pucker here..
[03:11] <ogra> i hope i have the time to also get ltsp-manager going at least with default global settings
[03:11] <cliebow_> lemme know if i can mock it up and try anything..
[03:19] <cliebow_> locate invoke
[03:23] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:24] <highvoltage> hello sbalneav
[03:25] <sbalneav> hey highvoltage
[03:27] <cliebow_> Hey Scottie!
[03:28] <JonNoob> Anybody know how to remove old raid in the install? it keeps saying that the MD unit is in use, when i try to delete it.
[04:39] <LaserJock> RichEd: poke
[04:43] <RichEd> hi LaserJock ...
[04:55] <bddebian> Heya
[04:57] <RichEd> highvoltage: ping
[04:59] <JonNoob> Which kernel should I choose to install for my server? linux-generic, linux-image-386, linux-image-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic, linux-image-2.6.20-15-386?
[05:00] <LaserJock> JonNoob: well, those are actually only 2 kernels
[05:00] <LaserJock> generic and 386
[05:00] <netdog> kbye
[05:00] <LaserJock> and generic should generally work fine
[05:00] <JonNoob> ok.. Thanks for clearing that up for me....
[05:10] <LaserJock> JonNoob: installing linux-generic pulls in all the needed packages
[05:16] <cliebow_> anyone have a doc on reverting to xdmcp?
[05:26] <LaserJock> ogra: is tribe 4 looking good?
[05:26] <ogra> no
[05:27] <ogra> very bad atm
[05:27] <LaserJock> uh oh
[05:27] <ogra> and i didnt even have time to look at the oversizedness of the liveCD yet
[05:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:28] <LaserJock> ogra: yikes, amd64 is 727MB and i386 is 712MB
[05:28] <ogra> yep
[05:29] <ogra> LaserJock, server not installing at all is worse
[05:29] <LaserJock> hmm, I wish I knew how to take care of the oversized LiveCD more
[05:29] <LaserJock> do you just drop stuff from the seeds to slim it down?
[05:29] <LaserJock> or is there more work to it?
[05:30] <ogra> no, dropp stuff is fine ing
[05:30] <ogra> oops
[05:30] <ogra> dropping stuff is fine
[05:30] <ogra> even though that rather looks like something extra went in since tribe3
[05:30] <ogra> like duplicated kernel or so
[05:31] <LaserJock> I can take a look at the seeds if you want
[05:32] <ogra> that would help a lot
[05:32] <LaserJock> ogra: amd64 shipps with more langs
[05:32] <LaserJock> es xh de fr
[05:32] <ogra> yeah, we can drop all but -en worst case
[05:36] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't see much of anything in live and ship-live that could really go but the amd64 langs
[05:36] <LaserJock> ogra: perhaps desktop is just getting bigger?
[05:37] <ogra> well, server didnt explode
[05:38] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:38] <LaserJock> ohhh
[05:39] <LaserJock> hmm, I know gcompris added some new sound langs
[05:39] <LaserJock> but those shouldn't be on there anyway
[05:39] <ogra> no, they are seeded specifically
[05:40] <LaserJock> geeze, and tux* aren't even on amd64
[05:40] <LaserJock> that's weird
[05:43] <LaserJock> hmm, the kde lang packs are twice the size of the gnome ones
[05:44] <ogra> yeah :(
[05:46] <LaserJock> well, looking at the diff with ubuntu's live seed
[05:46] <LaserJock> it looks to me like langpacks might be it
[05:47] <ogra> likely ... thats often also the easiest way to gain space
[05:47] <LaserJock> they only put es xh on amd64
[05:47] <LaserJock> and obviously no KDE ;-)
[05:47] <ogra> pitti has a size list somewhere iirc
[05:48] <LaserJock> and ship-live are identical between edubuntu and ubuntu
[05:50] <ogra> -desktop arent ...
[05:50] <LaserJock> ogra: actually, I just did a bzr pull, ubuntu took out *all* non en lang packs
[05:50] <ogra> heh
[05:52] <LaserJock> that must be it
[05:53] <ogra> feel free to fix the seeds :)
[05:54] <LaserJock> ok, well, do you care about -desktop at this point?
[05:54] <ogra> nope, as long as its fubctional
[05:55] <ogra> err, well size wise i do
[05:55] <LaserJock> well, I was wondering if you wanted desktop more in sync with ubuntu's
[05:55] <ogra> but if lang dropping is sufficient ... *shrug*
[05:55] <LaserJock> but I'm guessing it's a little late to be messing with it
[05:55] <ogra> nah, not now
[05:56] <ogra> apart from mono stuff in ubuntu and some edu apps in ours it should be pretty much in sync
[06:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: pong
[06:00] <highvoltage> kbye netdog
[06:06] <ogra> NotAmaranth, we still see you ...
[06:07] <NotAmaranth> ogra: I took off my cloak ;)
[06:14] <highvoltage> hehe
[06:47] <frostyfrog> Is it possible to convert and/or run exe files?
[06:47] <JonNoob> frostyfrog- only in wine
[06:48] <frostyfrog> I want to run furcsetup023a.exe
[06:48] <JonNoob> And what is that for???
[06:48] <frostyfrog> a game.
[06:49] <JonNoob> Well then you really do need Wine.
[06:50] <frostyfrog> wine? what's that?
[06:51] <frostyfrog> Emerald Flame: There's at least one other thread on this subject on this forums as well. I do worry that as we update more in the next year or so, we will go father away from beign supported by Wine. Perhaps it's time someone did make a Linux Furcadia client. I'm afraid we do not have time to do one and support it officially though.
[06:51] <gduteil> hello
[06:51] <frostyfrog> hi
[06:51] <gduteil> wine is a emulator of windows
[06:52] <frostyfrog> do you know where I could ge it?
[06:52] <gduteil> wine.org
[06:52] <frostyfrog> ok
[06:52] <JonNoob> you could also try joining #wine
[06:53] <gduteil> http://www.winehq.org/
[06:53] <gduteil> sorry i'm a poor frenchie ;-)
[06:55] <frostyfrog> ok
[06:56] <frostyfrog> http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb -- how can I know which version my ubuntu is?
[06:56] <frostyfrog> brb
[07:10] <anutile> having trouble with log out.  All user all of a sudden can not log out of desktop.  It just sits there at their desktop.  Need to ctrl-alt-backspace but of course this leaves alot of left over processes
[07:15] <JonNoob> 7join #ubuntu
[07:18] <JonNoob> Hi. Does anybody know how to completely remove a raid1 software raid? It is really slow, so i wan't to begin from scratch.
[07:20] <anutile> look at dpkg-reconfigure it will ask to remove the markings on the drives that associate it with raid maybe dpkg-reconfigure mdadm
[07:39] <LaserJock> ogra: I figure dropping the non-en lang packs will get us ~ 20MB
[07:39] <ogra> only on amd64 though
[07:40] <ogra> the non -en langs in live are all tagged with [amd64] 
[07:40] <LaserJock> yes
[07:40] <anutile> I figured out the LDM problem for me.  The servers gdm had crashed causing this hang.
[07:43] <LaserJock> ogra: kstars is ~ 10MB and is only i386
[07:44] <ogra> uuuh
[07:44] <ogra> dropping kstars is quite hard
[07:44] <LaserJock> yes :(
[07:46] <LaserJock> the other one would be tuxpaint
[07:46] <ogra> which partially breaks gcompris
[07:46] <LaserJock> oh dang, right
[07:47] <LaserJock> you know, if we turned it into a demo CD I think we could do this much better
[07:47] <LaserJock> like taking off build-essential perhaps, and ubiquity-*
[07:48] <LaserJock> either that or we make a special live desktop seed
[07:49] <LaserJock> but i386 has already got all the lang packs removed
[07:49] <ogra> right
[07:51] <LaserJock> ogra: any suggestions? I can do the leg work I think, but I'm not sure where to hack :/
[07:51] <ogra> well, for now lets take tuxpaint out
[07:52] <ogra> that will gain more than 10M i guess
[07:52] <ogra> quick but temporary "fix"
[07:52] <LaserJock> what about gcompris?
[07:52] <ogra> we'll live with the bug for now
[07:53] <ogra> i really dont understand why it exploded that heavily, but digging the logs for all possible changes one by one over the last weeks takes to much time now
[07:53] <LaserJock> will germinate complain if the gcompris deps aren't satisfied?
[07:54] <ogra> lets go without tuxpaint for now and find the real cause for the breakage if we have tiome for that
[07:54] <ogra> tuxpaint shouldnt be a dep
[07:54] <ogra> its a recommends afaik
[07:54] <LaserJock> well ... I changed that to fix the bug :(
[07:54] <ogra> meh
[07:54] <LaserJock> although I'm not convinced absolutely that the bug even exists anymore
[07:55] <LaserJock> it seems difficult to reproduce
[07:55] <LaserJock> ogra: sorry dude, I was trying to just fix the bug :(
[07:56] <LaserJock> until upstream had it all figured out
[07:56] <ogra> then its kstars ... even though i dont think that getw us as much
[07:56] <ogra> *gets
[07:57] <LaserJock> oh hmmm, I'm not sure if it'll be quite enough on it's own
[07:57] <LaserJock> I got 10MB for the .deb size
[07:57] <LaserJock> and we were 12MB over :(
[07:58] <LaserJock> ogra: how long does it take for the .iso to build?
[07:58] <ogra> 20 min or so
[07:58] <ogra> but i suspect pitti will do all flavours so it depends when we're on
[07:59] <LaserJock> ogra: well, I could whip up a gcompris without tuxpaint dep, if it's not too late to push that through
[07:59] <ogra> well, we have to revert that later again
[07:59] <ogra> lets keep it and look for other stuff
[08:02] <ogra> any idea how much build-essential would give us ?
[08:06] <LaserJock> hmmpf, I just tried gcompris on gutsy without the tuxpaint dep and it worked fine :/
[08:07] <ogra> apart from the tuxpaint menu option
[08:07] <ogra> in gcompris
[08:07] <LaserJock> well, but it comes up and says "You need to install tuxpaint" and exits that activity nicely
[08:07] <LaserJock> which is what it's supposed to do
[08:07] <ogra> yeah
[08:07] <ogra> ok
[08:07] <LaserJock> as opposed to freezing or hanging like it used to
[08:07] <ogra> lets revert that then and drop tuxpaint for now
[08:09] <LaserJock> ok, so I guess fakesync with an ubuntu2 version should work?
[08:09] <ogra> just asking pitti
[08:10] <ogra> ok !
[08:10] <LaserJock> freaky, I've already got a changelog entry for ubuntu2
[08:10] <ogra> ok, you do the gcompris change, i'll fix the seeds
[08:13] <LaserJock> at least we dont't have to upload the .orig.tar.gz ;-)
[08:13] <ogra> yeah
[08:17] <LaserJock> ogra: blah, I wonder if amd64 will still be too big, tuxpaint will only affect i386
[08:18] <LaserJock> oh wait
[08:18] <ogra> i dropped the langs on amd
[08:18] <ogra> and tuxpaint on x86
[08:18] <LaserJock> but I figure the langs only get us ~ 20MB
[08:18] <LaserJock> hopefully something changes :-)
[08:18] <ogra> well, then we dont have amd64 live ...
[08:18] <ogra> *shrug*
[08:19] <ogra> its a milestone ...
[08:19] <ogra> i would be concerned if it were beta
[08:20] <LaserJock> tuxpaint-stamps is an _all package of 21MB
[08:20] <Zac1> hello?
[08:20] <Zac1> anyone?
[08:20] <LaserJock> I guess that still wouldn't affect amd64 though as it didn't need it in the first place
[08:20] <Zac1> hello?
[08:20] <Zac1> anyone there?
[08:20] <ogra> but we could add some langs to i386 :P
[08:21] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah
[08:21] <LaserJock> Zac1: just ask your questions :-)
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: anything you need me to do while you're on your break?
[08:23] <Zac1> hello?
[08:23] <LaserJock> Zac1: hello
[08:24] <Zac1> im trying to add a okidata printer to my system
[08:25] <Zac1> can you help me?
[08:25] <Zac1> RichEd?
[08:26] <Zac1> can you help me with edubuntu printers?
[08:26] <LaserJock> Zac1: I think you are probably better off asking #ubuntu as they have a lot more people
[08:27] <Zac1> thanks
[11:47] <LaserJock> stgraber: still around?
[11:48] <stgraber> yes
[11:48] <stgraber> starting edubuntu testing
[11:48] <LaserJock> stgraber: is there a way that I can know if I have an account on you iso testing thingy
[11:48] <stgraber> LaserJock: let me check
[11:49] <LaserJock> I can't remember if I've actually created an account or not
[11:51] <stgraber> LaserJock: no LaserJock account and no account with mantha in the mail addi
[11:51] <LaserJock> ok, good
[11:53] <LaserJock> stgraber: and does your iso testing site link to the isos?
[11:53] <stgraber> yes, click on the icon next to the iso name
[11:54] <stgraber> you should have http, rsync and md5
[11:55] <LaserJock> This ISO wasn't found on cdimage.ubuntu.com (may no longer exists)
[11:55] <stgraber> with which one ?
[11:55] <LaserJock> that's for the Edubuntu Server Addon i386
[11:55] <LaserJock> same for amd64
[11:56] <stgraber> ok, that's a tracker bug, will quickly fix it
[11:57] <LaserJock> and what is "Edubuntu Upgrade" ?
[11:57] <stgraber> Feisty -> Gutsy upgrade
[11:58] <LaserJock> ok, so know when the Tribe4 Desktop CD gets built it'll show up on the Edubuntu list?
[12:00] <stgraber> yes
[12:04] <stgraber> LaserJock: serveraddon now working
[12:05] <stgraber> btw, I'll need to rewrite this whole function as it's full of hack :)
[12:05] <LaserJock> heh
[12:06] <stgraber> well generating the cdimage.u.c path from the title shown on the tracker isn't that easy :)
[12:07] <stgraber> I also have some bad "gutsy" hardcoded which could shortly be a problem :)
[12:08] <LaserJock> well, that's what doing it in iterations is all about
[12:08] <LaserJock> make it "workable" first, then polish it up
[12:12] <stgraber> yes, and it'll need a lot of polish if we want it to be used by the mozilla team/kernel team and some hardware team as well
[12:13] <stgraber> as it's currently full of ISO-specific hack
[12:14] <LaserJock> stgraber: is it running on a Canonical machine? it's a bit slow, I'd imagine you'd get hit pretty hard during Tribe/Release times
[12:15] <stgraber> it's on my dedicated server for now (256MB of ram and tons of other services running as well)
[12:15] <stgraber> there is something like 20MB of free ram :)
[12:16] <stgraber> Henrik told me Canonical is installing a server for us, so it'll get faster :)
[12:17] <stgraber> (and SSL with 20MB of Ram on a 2Ghz Celeron CPU isn't that fast either ....)
[12:17] <LaserJock> stgraber: no, not at all
[12:20] <stgraber> Drupal caching already help a bit, only user-specific pages are slow now (the worst being when you actually submit results)