[12:30] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[12:53] <thumper> morning mpt
[12:54] <ScottK> mpt: I noticed you removed the milestone from Bug #130220 just now.  I was curious what it's prospects are then?  
[12:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130220 in malone "LP marks bugs fix released multiple times and sends multiple mails when a bug number appears in more than one .changes file" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130220
[02:11] <mpt> ScottK, I did what?
[02:13] <mpt> There are no milestone changes in the activity log
[02:13] <mpt> oh, that's bug 65660
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 65660 in malone "Activity log should capture milestone changes" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65660 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[02:13] <mpt> ScottK, what milestone did it have? :-/
[02:19] <ScottK> mpt: It did say 1.0.8
[02:20] <mpt> ScottK, do you mean 1.1.8? There isn't a 1.0.8 milestone
[02:20] <mpt> Ah, this'll be because I changed it from "launchpad" to "malone"
[02:20] <ScottK> Yes.  Sorry
[02:21] <mpt> and it therefore lost its milestone marking
[02:21] <ScottK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32981/ is the bugmail I got.
[02:21] <mpt> right-o, fixed
[02:22] <mpt> Eventually (I hope) we'll use tags to categorize Launchpad bugs, rather than artificially-separate projects
[02:22] <mpt> then that kind of glitch won't happen.
[02:22] <ScottK> But the activity log is odd too as it shows stuff that happened several days ago today and doesn't show you having moved it.
[02:22] <ScottK> Thanks.  I was worried as that one is quite a nuisance.
[02:23] <ScottK> Gotta run.
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Is the activity log scheduled to be made useful in the foreseeable future?
[02:42] <kiko> Fujitsu, that's a... hard question
[02:42] <kiko> it's a mess
[02:42] <kiko> and it requires some refactoring that hasn't been scheduled
[02:42] <kiko> I've been fighting it out
[02:42] <kiko> but so far, no real progress
[02:42] <kiko> Fujitsu, tell me more about what you need in it?
[02:43] <kiko> simple hacks can be implemented
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #131000 in launchpad "Changes to whiteboard should be logged" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131000
[02:51] <kiko> mpt, do you understand bugtargetname versus targetname?
[02:52] <crimsun> win 21
[02:53] <crimsun> (sorry)
[02:58] <RAOF> Is dogfood (and particularly PPA) supposed to be working at the moment?  I published a new source package an hour ago, and it's not showing up in any of the building statuses.
[02:59] <RAOF> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive - libdrm-2.3.1~git20070808-0ppa1
[03:04] <kiko> it should be working, yes
[03:04] <kiko> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds
[03:04] <kiko> but rubidium and selenium are idle
[03:05] <kiko> mmmm
[03:05] <kiko> RAOF, did you get any mail about the build?
[03:06] <kiko> could the build sequencer be broken I wonder?
[03:06] <RAOF> kiko: Just an accepance mail for the source upload.
[03:06] <kiko> RAOF, cprov should be around in the morning -- he's running it all himself for now
[03:06] <kiko> in three weeks it will go live and then we have true sysadmin coverage
[03:07] <RAOF> kiko: Thanks.  By the way, when is "the morning" :)
[03:07] <kiko> in about 8h
[03:07] <kiko> :)
[03:07] <kiko> RAOF, where do you query PPA builds, btw?
[03:07] <RAOF> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all
[03:08] <kiko> right!
[03:08] <kiko> looks like the sequencer is dead.
[03:08] <kiko> wonder why, though
[03:09] <RAOF> Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of launchpad?
[03:11] <kiko> no evil
[03:11] <kiko> just complicated code :-/
[03:11] <kiko-zzz> time to catch those zs
[03:11] <RAOF> The answer is, of course, "The Shadow" :)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> hiya kiko-zzz, RAOF 
[03:12] <kiko-zzz> hey Hobbsee 
[03:13] <RAOF> heya Hobbsee 
[04:06] <mpt> kiko-zzz, there's an XXX somewhere about it
[04:06] <mpt> which refers to a bug that bradb reported
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #131012 in launchpad "Bug tags portlet cuts off part of the numbers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131012
[04:43] <RAOF> Yay, PPA's fixed.
[05:36] <LaserJock> heah, I just had a thought, wouldn't it be a good idea if LP emailed the address of automatically created accounts saying that they were created?
[05:37] <ScottK> LaserJock: No.  That would be spamming.
[05:38] <LaserJock> hmm, so it's better to create accounts without notification?
[05:38] <ScottK> It's better not to spam than to spam.
[05:39] <LaserJock> I wouldn't think of that as spam
[05:39] <LaserJock> but I guess
[05:39] <ScottK> LP felt like creating an account without the owner of the e-mail address asking for it would, IMO be sapm.
[05:39] <ScottK> It's unsolicited and bulk.
[05:39] <ScottK> sapm/spam
[05:40] <LaserJock> well fine
[05:40] <ScottK> You'd have to have some indication that the person cared.
[05:40] <LaserJock> ajmitch said Debian wouldn't like it either, so I guess I'm outnumbered ;-)
[05:41] <LaserJock> hmm, it doesn't make sense to me
[05:41] <LaserJock> I would *want* to know if LP had made an account for me
[05:41] <ScottK> LaserJock: What's your definition of spam?
[05:41] <ScottK> But you care about LP.
[05:41] <LaserJock> well, how about this
[05:42] <LaserJock> well, no, that wouldn't work
[05:43] <ScottK> LaserJock: How would you feel it some bug tracker at Microsoft started e-mailing you that you had an account there?
[05:43] <LaserJock> well, if they had indeed done so then I'd like to know
[05:43] <ajmitch> and one at redhat, and one at novell, etc..
[05:43] <ScottK> Right.
[05:43] <LaserJock> LP accounts aren't created for just anybody
[05:44] <LaserJock> it comes from *doing* something
[05:44] <ajmitch> no, just for the maintainer from every package we import from debian
[05:44] <ScottK> It comes from someone doing something.
[05:44] <ajmitch> and probably others like translations, etc
[05:44] <ScottK> And that someone is not theowner of the address.
[05:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:46] <LaserJock> well, frankly, if I put my address in public I don't mind really
[05:47] <LaserJock> but I can see where some people would
[05:47] <LaserJock> so poo
[05:48] <LaserJock> Debian puts my email address all over everywhere, and granted, it's not an account, but it's basically the same thing
[05:50] <ScottK> Putting your address everywhere is a different sin than sending you unsolicted mail.
[05:50] <LaserJock> I'd say it's a big one
[05:50] <LaserJock> but I guess you're right, it is a bit different
[05:56] <mpt> ScottK, ajmitch: there is a difference between an account and a profile
[05:56] <mpt> profiles are created for everyone Launchpad knows about
[05:56] <mpt> accounts are for people that explicitly register
[05:57] <ScottK> So there are no "automatically created accounts" then?
[05:57] <mpt> No, there are automatically created profiles
[05:57] <mpt> It is possible we use the wrong term on some pages
[05:58] <LaserJock> yeah, I should have been more precise in my wording, but I don't see any difference between the two
[05:58] <ajmitch> mpt: right, but we're still talking about an email being sent out when a profile is created, whatever you decide to call it
[05:58] <ScottK> Which would be spamming no matter what you call the thing.
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, I honestly don't see it as spam, but you're probably more knowledgeable on how people would take it
[06:01] <ScottK> Random (from the perspective of the receiver) automated systems sending you friendly mail notifications generally qualifies.
[06:01] <mpt> ajmitch, yeah, that would suck
[06:02] <mpt> I've been spammed before by some "people search engine" that said "Hi, we now know about you, come search with us!"
[06:02] <LaserJock> fine, I guess I'll go back under my rock :/
[06:03] <mpt> Another example is that 43people.com has pages for many people (most of them celebrities) who have never used the site, because they're people who other users of that site want to meet
[06:03] <ScottK> LaserJock: It's a rough world out there in e-mail these days.
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah, software sucks
[06:04] <mpt> oh, hey, http://www.43people.com/profile/view/122478
[06:04] <LaserJock> might as well go back to the stone ages
[06:04] <mpt> I doubt sabdfl has ever used 43people.com
[06:05] <mpt> ah, no, that's why it says "(placeholder)"
[06:05] <mpt> So, that's what many of the profiles in Launchpad are. Placeholders.
[06:06] <LaserJock> mpt: LP should at least, IMO, provide a way to search for profiles
[06:06] <mpt> LaserJock, it does
[06:06] <LaserJock> although that's probably also a no-no
[06:06] <mpt> http://launchpad.net/people
[06:06] <LaserJock> I don't think that searches email does it?
[06:07] <mpt> yes, I used it to search by e-mail address just yesterday
[06:08] <LaserJock> that should be documented then, for finding duplicate accounts
[06:08] <ajmitch> you can view email addresses only when registered, right?
[06:08] <LaserJock> I didn't realize for a long time there was a profile created for me
[06:13] <mpt> ajmitch, only when logged in, and only of people who have not chosen to hide their e-mail addresses.
[06:15] <ScottK> Considering LP currently knows about 1198297 people, it'd be a fair amount of e-mail.
[06:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I suppose it could be :-)
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #131027 in launchpad "People search page doesn't advertise searching by e-mail address" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131027
[06:48] <stub> We also have to be very conservative given we are already skating on the edge of good netiquette (creating records for people who don't know or care about us). If only 0.1% of people complained, that is still a hell of a lot of complaints given the size of our database.
[06:50] <RAOF> I don't suppose that there's anything I need to do to get a DEPWAIT package on my PPA to build, now the dependencies have built?
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #131032 in soyuz "Please disable obsolete bzip2 dpkg Pre-Depends: check" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131032
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #131036 in launchpad ""Name" is a misleading field when registering a project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131036
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #131043 in launchpad "database adapter serialisation tests disabled" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131043
[08:51] <carlos> morning
[12:59] <Kmos> there is a way to LP block packages to get more bug reports? when they're removed.. for example in gutsy
[12:59] <Kmos> for example gnome-sudoku
[12:59] <Kmos> that's now included in gnome-games
[02:29] <Markon> hi all :)
[02:29] <Markon> danilos:  I've converted a pdf to xml :-)
[02:29] <Markon> Now it works :)
[03:21] <ubotu> New bug: #131087 in malone "Irrelevant milestones listed in +editstatus for a bug task that is targeted to a series" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131087
[04:02] <BjornT> it's time for this week's non-au reviewer meeting
[04:02] <BjornT>  * Roll call
[04:02] <BjornT>  * Next meeting
[04:02] <BjornT>  * Queue status
[04:02] <BjornT>  * pr_notify (bac)
[04:02] <BjornT> who's here?
[04:02] <bac> me
[04:03] <bac> statik is out sick today
[04:03] <salgado> me
[04:03] <salgado> kiko?
[04:04] <BjornT> and barry won't attend today either
[04:04] <salgado> nor flacoste
[04:04] <BjornT> == Next meeting ==
[04:04] <salgado> so I guess that's it
[04:04] <BjornT> next meeting should be 2007-08-15 at 1400 UTC
[04:04] <BjornT> i won't be there
[04:04] <BjornT> salgado: could you chair it?
[04:04] <kiko> I might be here
[04:05] <salgado> BjornT, yep, I can
[04:05] <BjornT> thanks salgado 
[04:05] <BjornT> == Queue status ==
[04:06] <BjornT> kiko: you have reviewed all the branches in your queue, right? please update their status
[04:06] <kiko> BjornT, sure
[04:07] <BjornT> the queue doesn't look too bad, quite a lot of branches were added today.
[04:07] <BjornT> in all, there are 15 open reviews, 5 of them over the 2-day service target.
[04:08] <BjornT> i started reviewing the one in my queue yesterday, but it was quite big, so i didn't finish
[04:08] <BjornT> bac: do you know when statik will be back? i.e., should we re-assign the branch in his queue?
[04:09] <bac> i don't know.  he said he was out today and going to the doctor.
[04:10] <BjornT> salgado: you don't have any branches in your queue, maybe you could take the one in statik's branch?
[04:11] <kiko> I could take a few too
[04:11] <kiko> I take a while but this time I'm not travelling at least
[04:11] <salgado> BjornT, yep, I can take it.  I'll do the allocation in a few minutes
[04:11] <kiko> so 3-4 small ones would be okay
[04:11] <bac> statik said: "The
[04:11] <bac> only branch I have left in review has conflicts, and I'm mailing JTV
[04:11] <bac> about that"
[04:12] <bac> so he has considered his review load.
[04:12] <BjornT> ok
[04:13] <BjornT> = pr_notify =
[04:13] <BjornT> bac: 
[04:13] <bac> this is a small script i wrote that is run from cron.  periodically compares a reviewer's queue on pending review to last time and emails an HTML diff if it changed
[04:13] <bac> i found subscribing to the PendingReviews page generated too much noise and not enough context to be useful.
[04:14] <bac> just throwing it out there for others to use if they think it might be helpful.
[04:14] <salgado> that sounds good
[04:14] <salgado> where is it, bac?
[04:14] <bac> devpad/code/bac/pr_notify
[04:14] <BjornT> bac: we discussed it a bit in the au meeting, and thought that it would be better to make changes in the pending-reviews script, since it has all the information handy
[04:15] <bac> BjornT: that would be great
[04:15] <BjornT> it would be good to collect use cases here, so we know what we should add
[04:15] <bac> i'll continue using this until such a thing appears
[04:15] <bac> my use case is i'm forgetful about checking the PendingReview page and the subscription is pants.
[04:15] <BjornT> one use case would be to get notified when a branch enters your queue
[04:16] <BjornT> i'd also like to get a daily e-mail, listing the status of my queue
[04:16] <bac> reviewee-driven status changes are good to know about too
[04:18] <BjornT> a reminder if one of your branches are older than 2 days (unless you get a daily status e-mail perhaps)
[04:19] <BjornT> i also think it would be good to send the reviewee a notification if his branch has conflicts
[04:21] <BjornT> == Other business ==
[04:21] <BjornT> anything else to discuss?
[04:22] <BjornT> ok, meeting ended, thanks for coming!
[04:22] <bac> thanks BjornT 
[04:22] <salgado> thanks BjornT!
[04:23] <bac> salgado: would you have a moment to mentor the review statik did for me?  should be quick.
[04:23] <salgado> bac, yep, I have it on my inbox and will have a look at it soon
[04:23] <bac> salgado: thanks
[05:40] <Hobbsee> yay, another searching oops.  OOPS-585A1569
[05:40] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/585A1569
[05:40] <Hobbsee> mrevell: you around?
[05:41] <mrevell> hi Hobbsee Yep, I'm here
[05:41] <kiko> Hobbsee, a timeout or an oops?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> mrevell: ^ would be a good user affecting issue for the week.  it's happening repeatably, to multiple people
[05:41] <kiko> well a timeout or a failure
[05:41] <kiko> Hobbsee, is it a timeout?
[05:41] <mrevell> thanks Hobbsee :)
[05:41] <Hobbsee> kiko: yeah, i think so
[05:41] <Hobbsee> kiko: (a timeout)
[05:42] <kiko> that matters
[05:42] <Hobbsee> mrevell: of course, not being able to search the bugtracker half negates the point :)
[05:42] <kiko> okay thanks
[05:44] <jjesse> i thought i read there wer some problems with some of ubuntu servers? and they were being moved into canonical's data center
[05:47] <Hobbsee> jjesse: see the locoteams mailing list
[05:57] <mtaylor> is there a repository key for the ppas? 
[06:21] <wasabi> I am trying to figure out hwo to properly get my bzr branch hosted by launchpad under my project. Project is all set up... I've somehow managed to get a branch under my USER to be linked to the product.
[06:22] <wasabi> But cant' figure out how to make the branch Url not part of my user.
[06:24] <mwhudson> why is that a problem?
[06:25] <wasabi> Eh. Guess it's not. It's just obnoxious. I'd like trunk to be part of the product, instead of being under ~wasabi
[06:25] <mwhudson> you can create a team for managing the project
[06:25] <wasabi> The put hte branch under the team?
[06:26] <mwhudson> yes
[06:26] <mwhudson> but if it's a one or two man project i wouldn't bother, myself...
[06:27] <wasabi> accoring to some blog post I read, supposed to be able to acces stuff at launchpad.net/project/branchname... =/
[06:27] <mwhudson> yes
[06:27] <mwhudson> but that's not quite the same thing
[06:27] <wasabi> that redirects tot he teams url?
[06:28] <wasabi> oh?
[06:28] <mwhudson> right
[06:28] <mwhudson> it's a redirect for bzr
[06:28] <mwhudson> bzr get lp://myproject
[06:29] <wasabi> Hmm... now how do I push a branch to the team?  http does not support mkdir(), so suspecting I have to do something on the site first.
[06:35] <mwhudson> you can't push to a http directory
[06:36] <mwhudson> you can't push to a http url, rather
[06:36] <mwhudson> sftp
[12:18] <ScottK> kiko-afk: Dunno if it matters, but Bug 126862 lost it's target (1.1.8) when you reassigned it to launchpad-bugs.
[12:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126862 in malone "/bugs/nnn URL redirects to project/package URL even if bug is private" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126862 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)