[12:37] <PirateHead> Amaranth: thanks a bunch, got it all working now. Excellent job by the Compiz Fusion team!
[12:38] <xtknight> GuyFromHell, dpkg -S /name/of/file
[12:38] <xtknight> GuyFromHell, this probably wont catch files that are generated at postinst, though
[01:16] <tatters> I am getting version upgrade in adept-manager but cannot connect?
[01:17] <pvandewyngaerde> it crashes here
[01:18] <tatters> so there is a version upgrade available or does full upgrade act the amee?
[01:19] <tatters> same
[01:20] <tatters> ?join #ubuntu-effects
[01:25] <pvandewyngaerde> to be honest it is the fist time i see that button, i wouldn't know
[01:49] <leperkhanz> I can't get this drive to NOT be read only.  I changed fstab, unmounted, remounted....
[01:49] <leperkhanz> Also I'm getting an error that my .drmc file isn't being read on system load.
[01:49] <leperkhanz> Think there's a connection?
[02:07] <Zelut> does anyone else have problems with evolution crashing on a very repeatable, regular basis?
[02:22] <IdleOne> Zelut, report a bug on launchpad.net and give the steps you do that cause the crash
[02:25] <Zelut> I have. Just wondering if anyone else was having a similar issue.
[02:29] <Zelut> so far the only showstopping bug I've found, but Thunderbird works fine so I'm still functional.
[03:27] <Owner> hi, I accidently changed my home dir from /home/tyler to /home/Tyler and now I cant boot to desktop
[03:27] <Owner> is there any way to fix this via terminal?
[03:28] <Owner> ....?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Owner: use mv
[03:28] <RAOF> You could move /home/tyler to /home/Tyler
[03:28] <Owner> what is mv?
[03:28] <Owner> good idea RAOF..... i did not even think of that lol...
[03:29] <Owner> but what is MV?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Owner: ....man mv.
[03:29] <RAOF> mv == move.
[03:29] <Owner> jk :)
[03:29] <Owner> ill see if it wrks
[03:53] <snadge> is it possible to install legacy fglrx driver with either feisty or gutsy?
[03:53] <snadge> i tried following the guide for how to install fglrx driver manually
[03:53] <snadge> but theres no target to build feisty
[03:54] <crdlb> snadge, why do you want it?
[03:54] <RAOF> Isn't the legacy fglrx driver *in* Feisty or Gutsy?
[03:54] <crdlb> no
[03:54] <crdlb> there's only one fglrx in ubuntu, for very good reason
[03:55] <crdlb> legacy fglrx doesn't support 2.6.20 *or* Xorg 7.2
[03:57] <MikeyPizano> hey
[03:57] <Lichnet> hi
[03:58] <MikeyPizano> will gutsy have better broadcom support?
[03:58] <Lichnet> What is Gutsy's features?
[03:58] <RAOF> !gutsy
[03:58] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:58] <RAOF> !release
[03:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[03:58] <RAOF> Gah, where is it...?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[03:59] <RAOF> Lichnet: You can check out the blueprints on launchpad
[03:59] <Lichnet> THX
[03:59] <Lichnet> What are blueprints?
[03:59] <Lichnet> never understood
[04:00] <RAOF> Planned features.
[04:00] <Lichnet> nice
[04:03] <tatters> http://pastebin.com/d99c3cd2 after update this morning compiz broke got it to work again but now no toolbar appearing and emerald hangs
[04:06] <keram> he
[04:06] <keram> hey*
[04:06] <keram> i'm using a laptop and someitmes i get a system message in all of my terminals that says disabling irq #..
[04:06] <keram> and sometimes follows with some other junk too
[04:07] <keram> and then some or all of my usb ports go out
[04:07] <keram> and i cannot use them
[04:07] <keram> is there a way to fix this?
[04:12] <tulga> my gutsy panic and cannot find where is problem
[04:32] <marquisdesade> hello, i have been running gutsy for a while and did an upgrade just now. i usually do not run gdm at all (another window manager), and openoffice used to work just fine there. but after the upgrade, openoffice programs hang at the splash screen.
[04:33] <marquisdesade> they work just fine when i run it in gnome
[04:33] <marquisdesade> any ideas why openoffice behavior should be tied to gnome/gdm?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> ooo usually hangs
[04:37] <marquisdesade> Hobbsee: no, it hangs in everything else except gnome
[04:37] <marquisdesade> i run this window manager called ratpoison
[04:37] <marquisdesade> it hangs there, and also in ion3
[04:38] <Hobbsee> marquisdesade: there's a new upload of ooo, you'll have to check if it happens there
[04:38] <Hobbsee> unsure if it's accepted, etc, yet
[04:38] <marquisdesade> Hobbsee: is it in the repositories yet?
[04:38] <marquisdesade> i'll update and see. thanks
[04:38] <Hobbsee> [12:38]  <Hobbsee> unsure if it's accepted, etc, yet
[04:39] <marquisdesade> Hobbsee: doesnt seem to be at my mirror yet. will keep a lookout.
[04:41] <tehk> Anyone using scribes? What key do I use to load a template? tab does not do anything.
[05:00] <vlowther> keram: that is usually a driver acting up or misbehaving hardware.  Scanning through the dmesg log should help pinpoint where it is.
[05:02] <keram> http://rafb.net/p/OyI7wd20.html
[05:02] <keram> nobody cares
[05:02] <keram> nobody cared
[05:02] <keram> boot with irqpoll option?
[05:02] <keram> how do i do that
[05:44] <vlowther> keram: 'man update-grub' should give you some basic instructions.
[06:42] <MarkC> how's gutsy now? any new features?
[07:03] <shirish> guys can somebody help with making the description more precise bug 131031
[07:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131031 in aptitude "aptitude doesn't give information to user as apt-get does" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131031
[08:21] <voidmage> X Window System Version 1.3.0
[08:21] <voidmage> is that right?
[08:22] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:22] <RAOF> That's been right since Feisty.
[08:22] <voidmage> isn't xorg on 7.2 now?
[08:22] <voidmage> then why does it report 1.3?
[08:23] <RAOF> Yes, but Xorg 7.2 is just an overall name for a bunch of modules.
[08:23] <RAOF> Xorg 7.2 means Xorg 1.3, XRandR version 1.2, etc.
[08:23] <RAOF> The 7.2 refers to the whole katamari
[08:24] <voidmage> did that change recently in xorg?
[08:24] <RAOF> About 7.0
[08:24] <voidmage> because someone else is running 6.9 and it reports version 6.9
[08:24] <voidmage> ah
[08:24] <RAOF> With modular Xorg they split the versioning out.
[08:24] <RAOF> So now each module has its own version.
[08:35] <hylje> wtf
[08:35] <hylje> gconf cleaner
[08:38] <RAOF> Yes, it exists.
[08:39] <hylje> hence my wtfing
[08:39] <hylje> pardon
[08:46] <Wedhus_Liar> hello all
[08:46] <Wedhus_Liar> i need help about crossover installation
[08:48] <RAOF> Wedhus_Liar: Posting symultaneously in mulitple channels is bad ettiquette, and will reduce your chances of an answer.
[08:48] <Wedhus_Liar> hmmm
[08:49] <RAOF> *Especially* if you post somewhere that your question is off-topic, like #ubuntu-motu.
[08:49] <RAOF> That out of the way, what is your actual problem?
[08:50] <Wedhus_Liar> i has install crossover pro 6 on ubuntu 7.04, but i can't show the icon program
[08:51] <grndslm> how stable is gutsy and compiz-fusion right now?
[08:51] <RAOF> Wedhus_Liar: Ask in #ubuntu.  That has more people, and your question is on-topic there.
[08:52] <hylje> this *is* the gutsy chan
[08:52] <hylje> iow, 7.10
[08:52] <Wedhus_Liar> ok thx all
[08:52] <grndslm> gutsy and compiz-fusion anyone??
[08:53] <RAOF> Gutsy?  Pretty stable?
[08:53] <RAOF> How long is a piece of string, really.
[08:53] <grndslm> worth upgrading and avoiding upgrades for a month or so at a time
[08:53] <RAOF> Not really.
[08:53] <grndslm> ????
[08:53] <RAOF> If you just want fusion, you're much better off getting the Feisty backport packages.
[08:53] <grndslm> gosh, i just think i gotta do it anyway
[08:53] <RAOF> Eh.
[08:53] <grndslm> i've tried all of the repos
[08:53] <RAOF> Just as long as you file good bug reports.
[08:53] <grndslm> 3 or so, and they don't work
[08:54] <hylje> enjoy your bleeding edge
[08:54] <hylje> go ahead, it's needed
[08:54] <grndslm> tried git, but doesn't work with feisty or ubuntu something
[08:54] <hylje> git what?
[08:54] <hylje> its a scm that does work in feisty
[08:54] <grndslm> gitting compiz
[08:55] <RAOF> grndslm: Unfortunately, after trying 3 repositories your system isn't really a known state, so I can't really help.
[08:55] <grndslm> i got it to work, but there are still too many fuxed up things
[08:55] <grndslm> no doubt
[08:55] <grndslm> that's why i'm gonna install gibbon and see how it goes
[08:55] <grndslm> 78% DL
[09:15] <Xemanth> uuh Tribe 4 will be out tomorrow :)
[09:16] <ameyer> oh joy
[09:17] <ameyer> I mean, I must love breakage since I've run the stable version for about a week in the last year
[10:06] <cy_`> hello
[10:08] <RAOF> I think you're after...
[10:08] <RAOF> !release | cy_`
[10:08] <ubotu> cy_`: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:30] <Sebastian> After the latest updates, my Gutsy won't boot anymore. It gets stuck during X startup, whiptail hogs the CPU at 100%, and the root fs is read-only.
[10:30] <pvandewyngaerde> can you boot a previous kernel ?
[10:31] <Sebastian> The last update did not update the kernel, so I doubt that it's that.
[10:33] <pvandewyngaerde> in debian i could boot with kernel parameter 3 so i wont get into X
[10:35] <Sebastian> Maybe this is not even related to the update. I changed the fstab (added noatime,data=writeback,commit=10 to the options for /. Now it looks like it cannot mount / as rw during boot.
[10:36] <Xemanth> what does commit=10 mean?
[10:36] <cwillu> Sebastian: boot in single user, and see if it complains about that
[10:38] <Sebastian> cwillu: I booted in recovery mode and it complains about exactly that: "cannot change data mode on remount".
[10:39] <Sebastian> cwillu: / is first mounted with data=ordered and the init system remounts it rw with the options from /etc/fstab.
[10:39] <cwillu> still in single user mode?
[10:39] <Sebastian> cwillu: Yes.
[10:39] <cwillu> what does it say if you mount / -o remount,rw ?
[10:40] <Sebastian> cwillu: cannot change data mode on remount
[10:41] <cwillu> can't edit anything right now either I'd imagine
[10:41] <Sebastian> Right :)
[10:41] <cwillu> break=mount in the kernel boot line will help, in that you can set your own mount line up by hand when it breaks
[10:41] <Sebastian> Trying that now.
[10:42] <cwillu> btw, I don't think you mount it directly on '/' at that point
[10:42] <linuxero21> hi guys
[10:42] <cwillu> iirc, you'd mount it on /root
[10:42] <cwillu> and it does a pivot_root after
[10:42] <cwillu> but I could be mistaken
[10:44] <linuxero21> i have installed ubuntu gutsy in a virtual machine to test it. i wanted to see new xorg configuration application, but it is missing: the icon on the preferences menu, "screen resolution", only allows you to change screen resolution, like in other ubuntu stable versiones.  somebody who have tested gutsy knows how to run new xorg config app?
[10:45] <cwillu> linuxero21: I don't know, but it might be dependant on the driver supporting the new xrandr stuff, which the virtual card may not
[10:45] <Sebastian> cwillu: I got / mounted rw now. Now looking for an editor in busybox.
[10:46] <ikonia> linuxero21: are you sure its in the build you're testing
[10:46] <linuxero21> cwillu: i supposed it, but even virtual card is not supported, the config application should be there
[10:46] <ikonia> linuxero21: are you sure its in the build you're testing
[10:46] <linuxero21> ikonia: i'm not 100% sure, but i think yes...
[10:47] <ikonia> you need to find out
[10:47] <cwillu> Sebastian: should just be able to ctrl+d or exit, and have it continue booting
[10:47] <ikonia> as people could be usig different builds in here
[10:47] <ikonia> so yes its in theirs, no its not in yours
[10:47] <cwillu> linuxero21: it might be smart :p
[10:48] <Sebastian> cwillu: Ah.
[10:48] <linuxero21> ikonia: how can i see the build that i'm testing? i have installed feisty on virtual machine, then i edited repositories list changing "feisty" to "gutsy", and finally i upgraded the whole system
[10:48] <ikonia> linuxero21: thats not installing gusty
[10:48] <ikonia> thats updating certain fesity packages
[10:49] <ikonia> no wonder you've not got everything
[10:49] <Sebastian> cwillu: Nope, that remounted / back to ro.
[10:50] <cwillu> /
[10:50] <linuxero21> ikonia: i tried to install gutsy with Tribe 3 CD, but it crashes during installation process. then i asked how to install gutsy in another way, and people in chat told me modifying repositories
[10:50] <cwillu> Sebastian: well, once you've mounted it, you should be able to run vim off of it to edit /etc/fstab
[10:51] <ikonia> linuxero21: gusty is not ready
[10:51] <ikonia> its going to crash
[10:51] <ikonia> changing the repo's isn't installing gusty
[10:51] <ikonia> its just updating specific / compatible fesity packagesw
[10:51] <ikonia> also your running in a VM without real hardware interfaces, so that makes it less ready
[10:52] <linuxero21> ikonia: i know it, i thought modifying repositories is not installing feisty, but people in chat seems to be very convinced
[10:52] <ikonia> well I guess thats open to peoples opinions and preceptions
[10:53] <linuxero21> ikonia: is there any way toinstall gutsy without using Tribe 3 CD installer?
[10:53] <ikonia> not really
[10:53] <ikonia> try it not in a virtual machine
[10:53] <ikonia> see if that makes a difference
[10:54] <ikonia> or search the repo for the xorg config tool you want and try to manually install it
[10:54] <linuxero21> ikonia: (i did a dist-upgrade from feisty, not simple upgrade, but i think it is the same for my problem)
[10:54] <linuxero21> ikonia: ok, thank u a lot :)
[10:57] <linuxero21> another question about testing: when an application crashes, i have always to send bug report or it is better to search the bug before sending, trying to not duplicate it?
[11:00] <Sebastian> cwillu: I used busybox's sed now, worked fine. Thanks for your help!
[11:01] <Sebastian> But it wouldn't hurt if Ubuntu's busybox would include vi :)
[11:11] <cwillu> Sebastian: sweet
[11:28] <Hungmanmoojoo> hiya!
[11:29] <Hungmanmoojoo> is there something wrong with the repos right now?
[11:29] <Hungmanmoojoo> i can't install k3b'
[11:40] <chand> hi
[11:41] <Hungmanmoojoo> hi
[11:54] <Hungmanmoojoo> somthing is wrong with se.archive.ubuntu.com right now
[11:56] <Amaranth> Wait 4 hours, try again
[11:56] <Hungmanmoojoo> ok
[11:57] <Hungmanmoojoo> i changed temprarily to the main archive
[11:58] <ameyer> Hungmanmoojoo: that'd work
[12:00] <Hungmanmoojoo> do you know whats up?
[12:01] <ameyer> who knows
[12:02] <mattyv> Hungmanmoojoo: can you ping that server by any chance?
[01:09] <IdleOne> I know that if I ask this Iwill probably be delaying the release by 24 hours but is T4 being released today? :P
[01:10] <coNP> IdleOne: check topic
[01:10] <coNP> It is scheduled for tomorrow.
[01:11] <IdleOne> coNP, ty
[01:11] <IdleOne> guess I havent caused a delay then hehe
[01:12] <coNP> not yet :D
[01:41] <IdleOne> think I broke something! when I run sudo aptitude update I get : E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[01:41] <IdleOne> same error with dist-upgrade
[01:42] <IdleOne> says that dir is missing
[01:45] <mattyv> try 'sudo apt-get clean' first
[01:48] <IdleOne> mattyv, did sudo mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial -p
[01:49] <IdleOne> and seems to have fixed the issue but ty
[01:49] <|Lunar_Lamp|> I'm running kubuntu fiesty at the moment, and when I try gksudo "update-manager -d" it tells me my system is up to date, and doesn't let me upgrade to Gutsy.  What am I doing wrong, or is this a known bug?
[01:52] <ameyer> |Lunar_Lamp|: -c -d not -d
[01:52] <|Lunar_Lamp|> ameyer, same happens when I do that :-/
[01:53] <ameyer> that "should work" I think
[01:54] <|Lunar_Lamp|> http://pastebin.ca/649775 <== line 19 I think is significant.
[01:57] <mattyv> IdleOne: No probs, was going to suggest that next
[01:58] <SeveredCross> Anyone know if NetworkManager is fixed?
[01:58] <Lunar_Lamp> ameyer, is it possible a broken dbus could be causing this? (I'm not aware of dbus being broken on my system currently)
[01:58] <ameyer> umm, I doubt it
[01:59] <mattyv> SeveredCross: What problem in particular?
[01:59] <ameyer> although to be honest, I'm not sure what dbus is
[01:59] <SeveredCross> mattyv: After yesterday's update to 0.6.5-ubuntu8, network-manager lost all control of my wireless devices.
[01:59] <SeveredCross> So, things that depend on it to know if there is a live internet connection have largely failed.
[02:00] <SeveredCross> Through iwconfig and ifconfig mangling and a few sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart's I've gotten it to connect, but still network-manager has no idea it's connected.
[02:00] <mattyv> Ah, mines fine but that's on wired only, this comp doesn't have wireless so I can't test
[02:00] <SeveredCross> It's actually having problems restarting it at the moment.
[02:00] <SeveredCross> aptitude upgrade is stuck on "Restarting NetworkManager"
[02:01] <mattyv> It crashed on me this morn, but running NetworkManager & in a term fixed that
[02:01] <SeveredCross> Oh, I think it's back..
[02:01] <IdleOne> SeveredCross, I am doing the aptitude upgrade at this momment and network-manager was replaced and restarted in seconds here
[02:03] <mattyv> -ubuntu9 here, didn't check the changelog though
[02:04] <SeveredHead> Woohoo, all fixed.
[02:05] <rjek> Hmm, OK.  Ubuntu won't boot on VMware 4.  Oh well.
[02:06] <IdleOne> !locale
[02:06] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[02:08] <SeveredHead> VMware 4?
[02:08] <SeveredHead> Wow, that's old.
[02:09] <ameyer> that's almost like saying Vista won't run on my Dell Inspiron CPx
[02:10] <ameyer> I'm sure it won't, XP is a bit of a stretch with its current hardware config
[02:10] <ameyer> erm, s/Inspiron/Latitude
[02:11] <IdleOne> using the wiki for !locales I tried to install locales and localconf and got Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "localeconf"
[02:11] <SeveredHead> That's like saying Vista won't run on my old Katmai-core P3 500.
[02:12] <SeveredHead> Damn thing is one of the earliest P3's out there.
[02:12] <SeveredHead> Was state of the art when we bought it, cost like 3 grand.
[02:13] <IdleOne> what is the manual way of setting my locale?
[02:17] <tatters> The version upgrade button in adept package manager fails to connect,is it not implemented yet?
[02:17] <IdleOne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33020/
[02:18] <IdleOne> someone please look at that
[02:27] <Lunar_Lamp> OK, I can't get "update-manager" to upgrade from feisty to gutsy.  Is a "sed s/fiesty/gutsy/g /etc/apt/sources.list" an acceptable alternate?
[02:28] <IdleOne> Lunar_Lamp, lot of people do it that way
[02:28] <IdleOne> may want to backup your data first
[02:28] <Lunar_Lamp> IdleOne, ofc :-)
[02:29] <IdleOne> ofc?
[02:29] <Lunar_Lamp> Sorry, ofc = "of course".
[02:29] <IdleOne> oh hehe
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> I hear tell Ubuntu 7.10 will be able to work with Active Directory easy
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> like CentOS/RHEL/Fedora
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> "Use network:  {LDAP,NIS,Active Directory}" right on install
[02:48] <bluefoxicy> any truth to the rumor?
[02:49] <jrib> Lunar_Lamp: do you have update-manager from feisty-proposed installed?
[02:49] <Lunar_Lamp> jrib, no.
[02:50] <jrib> Lunar_Lamp: you need that version to upgrade to gutsy I believe
[02:50] <Lunar_Lamp> jrib, ok, well, a little late now as I've already just sed'd my sources.list - but thanks for the pointer :-0
[03:49] <tretle_> can anyone tell me why whenever I try and play a game now it logs out of the current session?
[04:01] <Skiessi> maybe the game crashes your x server?
[04:09] <tretle_> all the 3d ones do
[04:11] <tretle_> warsow, griswars etc
[04:15] <tretle_> griswars - gridwars
[04:19] <variant> tretle_: did you investigate the xorg log?
[04:19] <tretle_> where is the .xorg log
[04:19] <tretle_> ?
[04:19] <variant> tretle_: /var/log
[04:20] <gutsytester> By default, the input in the pidgin chat window is too small so that one line does not fit in :-(. Can anybody confirm this?
[04:21] <variant> tretle_: Xorg.0.log
[04:22] <tretle_> !paste
[04:22] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:23] <tretle_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33033/
[04:23] <tretle_> dont see any problems with it
[04:23] <variant> we,,
[04:23] <variant> well, that's no help!
[04:24] <variant> try opening from a terminal with screen
[04:24] <variant> "screen gamename"
[04:24] <variant> then when it crashes you can reconnect to the screen session and see if there was any terminal output
[04:24] <variant> or redirect output to a file
[04:24] <variant> gamename > output.text
[04:27] <variant> tretle_: any use?
[04:30] <variant> tretle_: any use?
[04:30] <tretle_> I did that but it logged out again
[04:30] <tretle_> so I couldnt see the results
[04:30] <variant> tretle_: yes, now you can reconnect to the screen session
[04:30] <variant> tretle_: in terminal type screen -r
[04:31] <variant> if you ran the command i told you first
[04:31] <tretle_> !paste
[04:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:32] <tretle_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33037/
[04:32] <tretle_> the problem is there
[04:33] <variant> what game?
[04:34] <gutsytester> are the new default directories in $HOME used by any programs? e.g. there are no templates at all by default
[04:34] <tretle_> that log is from trying to run warsow
[04:34] <arpu> hmm how can i aptitude remove openoffice.org ? all with wildcard *
[04:34] <tretle_> I get the same problem with any other 3d game
[04:36] <variant> tretle_: ok, a little research seems to point to a bug
[04:37] <variant> can you open the game in window mode and set the games native resolution to be the same as your desktop resolution?
[04:37] <tretle_> how do I open it in window mode?
[04:38] <variant> for warsow i do not konw
[04:38] <variant> possibly a command line switch
[04:39] <variant> tretle_: you are using gutsy i assume, that is the main reason
[04:40] <tretle_> main reason for it not running/
[04:40] <tretle_> ?
[04:40] <tretle_> it ran without a hitch before
[04:40] <tatters> does the version upgrade button in adept manager work for anyone?
[04:43] <tatters> or even whats the difference between a full upgrade and a version upgrade?
[04:44] <Jolted> Is there a live-build of gusty that doesn't freeze on starting X in vga mode or can connect to the nic without futzing around in the command line?
[04:44] <Toma-> probably not
[04:44] <Toma-> try the different tribes
[04:45] <Jolted> Tribe 3 was unusable.. Im imagining 4 is gonna be just as bad
[04:46] <Jolted> Heck the builds of feisty were better than this
[04:46] <Jolted> when that was in beta
[04:46] <variant> tretle_: before what?
[04:47] <variant> Jolted: you understand software development then right?
[04:47] <Jolted> Yeah but i expected a bit better out of the Ubuntu crew... by now i expected it to at least startup relatively proper
[04:48] <tretle_> an update
[04:49] <tretle_> presumably
[04:56] <Zdra> traa compiling on gutsy become really slow because each new file created is getting indexed by tracker :(
[04:58] <Lunar_Lamp> http://pastebin.ca/649934 <== error trying to upgrade feisty-->edgy.  Many packages installed just fine, but went wrong there.
[04:59] <Lunar_Lamp> Attempting an apt-get -f install to fix.
[04:59] <Lunar_Lamp> Nope, failed.
[05:10] <arpu> hmm can someone help me with cannot access tty error ?
[05:10] <arpu> i start my image in qemu
[05:10] <arpu> it starts busybox :-(
[05:18] <variant> Zdra: lol that sucks
[05:18] <variant> Zdra: is there an open bug?
[05:18] <variant> Lunar_Lamp: this is the gutsy support channel
[05:18] <variant> development channel i mean, not support at all!
[05:19] <Lunar_Lamp> Erm, variant, yes, sorry, I meant that I was upgradeing feisty-->gutsy :-/
[05:19] <Lunar_Lamp> Not that I was downgrading edgy :-(
[05:19] <Zdra> variant: don't know
[05:20] <variant> Lunar_Lamp: gutsy is not expected to be widley usable just now. stick with feisty for a few weeks
[05:21] <Lunar_Lamp> Yes, I know, I was just thinking aloud with the upgrade procedure tbh.
[05:32] <mendred> i say..what gives??????
[05:32] <mendred> adept just boldly states that  a new distribution version is available
[05:32] <mendred> i am already on gutsy
[05:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/129226
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] 
[05:49] <DanaG> Hmm, if it's "fix commited", then how long until that fix appears to me, the end-user?
[05:49] <DanaG> s/the/an/
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DanaG: depends where the fix is committed, and when the next kernel upload is, usually
[05:50] <Hobbsee> DanaG: as for that, it'll be the kernel upload after tribe 4.
[05:51] <DanaG> Also, what should I do about my bug reports that haven't had developers comment on them?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> DanaG: any particular area?
[05:52] <DanaG> I don't remember the numbers offhand, but there was one about brightness control and another (filed by somebody else, but I have the same issue) about nonworking audio capture.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> DanaG: usually the answer is "wait, and check if there's all the info on there to solve the problem"
[05:52] <jussi01> hmmm, Im trying to dist upgrade through the adept updater, but its telling me it cant download the release announcement, check my internet connection. however my internet is fine, as you can see...
[05:52] <Hobbsee> DanaG: audio capture - crimsun is the master of audio.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> brightness control - probably wait, unless it's marked as incomplete
[05:53] <Hobbsee> DanaG: you may want to get involved in bug triaging, etc - getting rid of the dodgy bugs, and getting the bugs into states that they can be worked on tends to be useful.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> DanaG: (there arent infinite numbers of developers)
[05:54] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[05:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Low,Incomplete] 
[05:54] <Hobbsee> heya jussi01
[05:54] <DanaG> That's one -- I have a different laptop with the same audio chip, and I'm on Gutsy; however, the issue was there in Feisty.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> DanaG: i've sent that one back to confirmed, as the info is provided now
[05:55] <Hobbsee> DanaG: of course, having the bugs in the correct state is helpful
[05:56] <Hobbsee> DanaG: of course...if you wanted to take over sound for ubuntu, crimsun would be most happy to oblige, i'm sure
[05:58] <DanaG> The other bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[06:03] <Hobbsee> DanaG: yeah, that you'd probably need to wait for someone for
[06:03] <DanaG> Oh, and for me, the OSD doesn't appear when I press the hotkeys.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> DanaG: gnome?  kde?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> oh, gnome it looks like
[06:06] <Hobbsee> DanaG: you'll just have to wait, for that one
[06:06] <DanaG> But I'd imagine KDE would have the same issue.
[06:07] <nickspoon> Hey, having trouble with samba - can't log in at all, even to myself.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> it uses kmilo, so it may not.  *shrugs*
[06:07] <nickspoon> If I try to login to a share on localhost, it tells me I have an incorrect password even if the password has just been set by root.
[06:11] <RainC1> hi
[06:12] <DanaG> How do you run kmilo, anyway?  I want to try running it under Gnome, if possible.
[06:13] <RainC1> can someone confirm me if the system menu got a "help" submenu on gutsy pls? (I saw it like that on a spec but I'm not sure if it got / will get implemented)
[06:14] <sdest> there isnt a help submenu for me, just the three options down below, help and support, about gnome and about ubuntu
[06:20] <Hobbsee> DanaG: not by the command line.  i dont remember, exactly
[06:41] <RainC1> sdest: well, thanks
[06:41] <RainC1> jussi01: ?
[06:42] <jussi01> RainC1: [18:52]  <jussi01> hmmm, Im trying to dist upgrade through the adept updater, but its telling me it cant download the release announcement, check my internet connection. however my internet is fine, as you can see...
[06:42] <RainCT> ah
[06:44] <MenZa> Hi; I was wondering if anyone else has had problems connecting to their dhcp networks? Mine is setup with the defaults (as it was on Feisty), and I seem to have problems getting online 3/4 of the time. This is a 100% fresh install of Tribe 3. I've tried to run sudo dhclient on the interface (eth0), but it doesn't work. It shows up fine in ifconfig.
[07:55] <shirish> guys I am having to shift my mouse to the corners so then I can see the corners, otherwise not, anybody knows how this can be? Also is there anyway to know if desktop-effects is on or not?
[07:59] <stdin> sounds like a resolution issue, try either restarting X or changing the resolution
[08:03] <variant> shirish: when you move the mouse to the corner then the screen moves?
[08:04] <variant> shirish: system > prefs > resolution and change the resolution there.. it might fix it
[08:06] <shirish> variant: your description is right, the problem is this started happening after yesterday's or today's updates
[08:06] <variant> shirish: well, it's gutsy. expect problems!
[08:07] <variant> imo, if you don't know how to at the very least diagnose problems then don't run the dev version
[08:07] <shirish> variant: know that, anyway that fixed it I guess atm
[08:07] <variant> ok
[08:08] <shirish> I think something changed/transpired with i810 driver, there was an update yesterday or today about it.
[08:08] <stdin> I use the "intel" driver, not the "i810" driver now
[08:09] <shirish> stdin: the 'intel' driver is supposed to be godo for only newer chipsets, I am on i845G/GE/GLM integrated hence have to use that :(
[08:09] <shirish> stdin: godo/good
[08:10] <stdin> shirish: "This package provides the driver for the Intel i8xx and i9xx family of chipsets, including i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, i945 and i965 series chips."
[08:10] <stdin> from the -intel package
[08:11] <stdin> I've used it on an 845 and 915 with no problem
[08:15] <shirish> stdin: I have had huge huge problems with the 'intel' driver when I was using it
[08:16] <stdin> when was that?
[08:16] <shirish> about a month back
[08:16] <shirish> haven't tried the latest 'intel' driver though
[08:17] <shirish> I know there was an update yesterday or today about it, but both the intel as well as i810 driver updates were for including the Intel Low Power Architecture (lpia) IIRC
[08:18] <stdin> give it a go, you can always revert if it's not working (also bug report it, as intel is supposed to replace i810 one day)
[08:19] <shirish> ok will do, the only thing I have to do IIR right is to just change the stuff at x.org.conf where it says 'i810' to 'intel' or is there something more I am missing, I have both the drivers installed.
[08:19] <george88a> hi all.
[08:19] <stdin> yeah, just change "i810" to "intel" and restart X
[08:20] <shirish> ok here goes nothing
[08:20] <george88a> does anyone know a workaround for the 'nspluginviewer takes 100% of CPU when a flash file is loaded in konqueror" ? :)
[08:21] <shirish> bbiaf
[08:21] <stdin> george88a: has it been reported yet?
[08:22] <george88a> yes,there are about 2 reports on launchpad, one of them having around 20+ replies, and linking the issue with some openoffice upgrade
[08:23] <stdin> george88a: maybe the #kubuntu-devel guys know a work around, but there may not be one yet. I knoe OO.o is broke in kubuntu gutsy (good job I don't really use it)
[08:23] <george88a> stdin thank you :)
[08:34] <shirish> back and its nicer now.
[08:35] <shirish> has anybody been able to upgrade to openoffice 2.3.0 ?
[08:38] <shirish> also I have been having issues with logging into GNOME with a user/administrator. I made another user and he is able to go into GNOME without any issues, what could be the problem?
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