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[01:39] this week [01:40] try again thursday this week during the european day/evening [01:40] :) [01:41] it's already thursday here.. 00:40h - Portugal [01:41] :) [01:41] my calendar show only Wed Aug 8 01:41:29 CEST 2007 [01:42] that's over one day difference instead of the usual one hour [01:43] :) [01:45] Kmos: TZ="Portugal" date displays here Wed Aug 8 00:45:25 WEST 2007. So how can you already have thursday? === mat__ [n=mat@home.virgule.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nattgew [n=matthew@12-215-246-213.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] geser: sorry.. i think today is wednesday [01:47] lol [01:47] my fault === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@200-193-152-9.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@bas5-montreal02-1167962923.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Exit,] === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-180-112.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.16.4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul_ [n=chuck@mail.edgewater.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jedusor [n=Jedusor@41.208.151.54] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] what does failed to upload status mean? [03:30] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/2.3.0~src680m224-1ubuntu1/+build/374232 [03:30] it appears to build fine but couldn't upload the resulting debs to the archive?! [03:30] It means Soyuz tripped over it, and a member of -archive needs to fiddle it. [03:31] ok [03:31] any archive admins present? [03:32] doubt it [03:32] unless infinity happens to be around [03:33] infinity: you awake? [03:33] Hobbsee: btw your ooo 2.3 is in the archive more or less ;) [03:33] it built on amd64, ia64 and is still building on the rest, no failures so far! [03:33] calc: yay! *hugs* [03:33] i think turning off multithreaded build helped out [03:34] makes it slower to build but at least its not failing [03:34] calc: then we can have kubuntu cds with a working office [03:34] Hobbsee: hopefully :) [03:34] works on ubuntu in any case [03:34] just switch to gnome if it doesn't work ;) [03:35] bah. [03:35] hehe [03:35] calc: i cope with gnome in small doses. [03:35] Very small doses? :-) [03:35] i think maybe maintaining KDE made me dislike it ;) [03:36] StevenK: exactly. doing CD testing, etc, is enough :P === StevenK uses Kubuntu on his laptop. === calc uses Vista on his laptop... hmm no it uses space on his laptop, need to nuke it ;) === ScottK only uses Gnome at the library. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-ec4e35deee7daf62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] Do we have a specific glibc maintainer? [03:48] maybe seb128(?) he seems to know a lot about it anyway [03:48] er thats glib nm [03:48] bddebian: maybe doko in glibc case === calc kicks whoever came up with the conflicting naming of glib and glibc === Nattgew [n=matthew@12-215-246-213.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:50] heh === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-6.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A73C07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === J-Unit [n=jdong@d14-69-168-142.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vital101 [n=jack@67.133.144.170] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.3.174.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.54.67] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === CarlFK [n=carl@adsl-75-57-193-109.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:26] failed to upload on ppc also [04:26] appears it may be failing to upload in general [04:26] is the archive already frozen [04:26] and/or would that cause the failed to upload messages to appear? [04:27] 3 out of 5 worked so far though [04:27] so i may have solved the weird random failure issue also === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@64.203.238.119.static-pool-3.pool.hargray.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_t_ [n=tobias@p54A72E32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lhoerste [n=lhoerste@cpe-76-190-147-26.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === J-Unit [n=jdong@d14-69-168-142.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] cjwatson_: is there something that automatically mounts drives in the ncurses installer? [05:17] or that tries to use a swap parititon === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === linux__alien [n=linux__a@59.92.83.221] has joined #ubuntu-devel === linux__alien [n=linux__a@59.92.83.221] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-126-80.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [i=mb@2002:5361:2a04:0:0:0:0:1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macogw [n=mack@unaffiliated/macogw] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] well, i suppose you're the ones most likely to be able to answer this, so i'm asking here. does bcm43xx-fwcutter download only 1 set of firmware for anything using it, or does it somehow download different firmware depending on which bcm card it is? [06:10] ive looked at the orig.tar.gz for it and i dont see any URLs in any of the file except the README [06:12] macogw: looks like just one to me [06:14] in which file were you able to find the url? [06:14] i wasnt sure since there's about 20 different drivers and cards listed in fwcutter_list.h [06:14] if you get the whole source package, the .dsc .diff.gz and .orig.tar.gz and run dpkg-souce -x *.dsc [06:15] it's in the bcm43xx-fwcutter/debian/ directory [06:15] ok [06:15] install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh [06:15] at least that's what I'm guessing [06:15] i didnt realize it was just a debian thing and not part of it overall [06:16] though maybe rpm's would do it too and its just a matter of postinst scripts [06:16] thanks [06:17] Seveas: Launchpad memberships seem to be expiring again. === macogw [n=mack@unaffiliated/macogw] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === macogw [n=mack@unaffiliated/macogw] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] yeah, the url for the file is in that script, you're right, but i just looked and it's currently a 404 error page [06:19] well, that could be a problem === vincechen [n=vince419@61.146.7.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:26] looking at that script, it seems all it does is copy the files to /lib/firmware, and i have them on my computer right now. i can upload them. [06:26] grr ooo 2.3 failed on sparc :\ === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] Hobbsee: wb [06:28] heya calc [06:28] yay, there's wifi at the uni! === Hobbsee rsyncs the ubuntu iso on the uni connection === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-218-164.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] Morning pitti [06:37] Good morning [06:38] calc: still here? [06:41] pitti: yes [06:41] calc: OO.o failed to upload [06:41] 02:18:26 WARNING openoffice.org_2.3.0~src680m224-1ubuntu1_powerpc.deb uses bzip2 compression but doesn't Pre-Depend on dpkg (>= 1.10.24) [06:41] calc: from your bzip2'ification [06:41] ugh [06:41] calc: I agree that this check is largely obsolete nowadays, but it's quicker to fix OO.o, I think [06:42] is that still required iirc everything past hoary has >= 1.10.24 [06:42] quicker to fix and upload a new version? [06:42] and rebuild it on all arches? [06:42] its done on all but i386 so far [06:42] there go ~ 10 hours of buildd time from now on [06:42] why is that check still in there for the bzip2 stuff anywhere since that dpkg is long obsolete? [06:43] s/anywhere/anyway/ [06:43] calc: can you please prepare it anyway? I'll try to reach someone who could circumvent this === ijuz [n=ijuz@p54ABCA10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:43] calc: but at this time of the day, the Soyuz guys are already asleep [06:43] infinity: you there? [06:43] pitti: oh its blocking it from being added to the repo? [06:44] calc: yes [06:44] gah === calc notes that 1.10.24 is nearly 3 year old dpkg as well === calc starts working on making new upload :\ [06:45] LaserJock: http://macoafi.googlepages.com/firmware.tar.gz i put the firmware there (i already had it installed, so just copied from /lib/firmware) [06:45] i thought those types of checks were generally removed after an official release of the new dpkg [06:46] calc: yeah, just nobody did it, I guess [06:46] official release with a new dpkg supporting some feature [06:46] pitti: ah [06:46] calc: I asked infinity now, maybe we can do a cowboy fix [06:46] ok [06:46] calc: I seriously hope that we don't need to rebuild [06:46] yea === mario_ [n=mario@158-188.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:47] the oldest still supported ubuntu release already has a much newer version of dpkg than needed so it should be removed from the checks [06:47] but i'll work on getting it ready [06:47] let me know if infinity can fix it and i'll stop on the work [06:47] calc: appreciated; I'll grep for the code now, and if we can cowboy it, I'll tell you [06:48] ah, I think I got it [06:48] ok [06:49] pitti: does it look to be able to workaround it? [06:49] calc: yes, absolutely [06:49] and/or remove the check entirely [06:49] ok great :) [06:49] calc: I'll leave the test in === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:52] anyone know if there's a way to get a list of packages you've specifically requested to be installed versus those that were installed as dependencies after the fact? [06:58] calc: I think I got it now [07:03] pitti: ok thanks :) [07:05] pitti: amd64 still shows as failed to upload does anything need to be done to get it uploaded? [07:07] calc: yeah, it's a bit weird [07:07] the other stuff isn't in accepted either [07:07] oh [07:08] 04:58:08 DEBUG Skipping 20070808-015000-374232-892251 -- does not match /20070808-015000-374232-892251 [07:08] hm? [07:09] weird [07:10] calc: ah, ppc build and -l10n is in NEW, silly me [07:10] oh ok [07:11] calc: you did drop the Pre-Depends :-(, uploads rejected ... [07:12] doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/131032 [07:12] Launchpad bug 131032 in soyuz "Please disable obsolete bzip2 dpkg Pre-Depends: check" [Undecided,New] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] doko: I just hacked Soyuz to swallow it [07:13] ahh, ok [07:15] doko: yea i dropped it because it was obsolete didn't know that soyuz was buggy until it rejected it [07:15] doko: that feature is ~ 3 years old so shouldn't have triggered a rejection [07:16] eg etch should have officially allowed bzip2 compression (not sure if it actually did or not) [07:16] actually sarge to i think [07:17] calc: I'm still not sure soyuz is "buggy"... dak has exactly the same check. [07:17] calc: But I take the point that the check is becoming obsolete. [07:17] infinity: well, 'bug' is too much, but it's still obsolete IMHO [07:17] (Note that security updates of OOo will fail in the same way until we similarly "fix" jackass) [07:18] I don't object against having the pre-depends on the next upload [07:18] calc: what did you drop else? ;-) [07:18] but I wanted those debs for the tribe now [07:18] doko: i think that is all but i will be going back over the previous diff to make sure everything is merged in the next upload [07:19] doko: i specifically dropped the dpkg depends though since it was obsolete and not needed even in the dapper case [07:19] or rather shouldn't be needed anymore [07:20] Shouldn't be, but it doesn't hurt either. [07:20] otherwise depends/conflicts/etc would grow huge if you can never prune them === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] i'm not sure if its codified but if i remember correctly using dpkg features at least in debian was just required it be in an already released dist, eg the ~ versioning feature [07:23] dak/soyuz doesn't reject on using ~ without a pre-depends does it? [07:23] pitti: I'll make sure to mangle our various katie installations to drop the check too. I suspect it's correct to do so at this point. Just sucks to have the issue forced. :) [07:23] you know, it'd be really useful if the uni had total wifi, everywhere in it [07:23] infinity: for the record i didn't know it would fail to get into the archive due to dropping the pre-depends [07:23] infinity: so i didn't intentionally cause this mess, heh [07:23] calc: The reason for the pre-depends check in dak (and later soyuz) was specifically so the feature could be used without waiting for a release cycle. [07:24] infinity: oh ok [07:24] ah and just never removed after the release (hoary i guess) [07:24] (And, in the case of some dpkg features, you need to wait TWO release cycles...) [07:24] infinity: oh i didn't know about that [07:24] hmm, the sparc build did fail [07:24] Because otherwise, upgrades could fail. === calc thinks something about waiting for two release cycles in debian is close to end of the world ;) [07:25] Pre-Depends on a newer dpkg kinda makes that go away, so long as it's not a required/essential package that causes an upgrade loop with dpkg itself. :) [07:25] infinity: for ubuntu wouldn't that be wait until the next LTS? [07:25] infinity: we support upgrades from an LTS up to the next LTS right? [07:26] dependency "cleanup" became a desease [07:26] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8732984/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-sparc.openoffice.org_2.3.0%7Esrc680m224-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [07:26] calc: That's undetermined right now. During the gutsy+1 UDSing, I think I'll attend specifically to deliver my opinions on how we should be dealing with upgrade tactics. [07:26] doko: sparc ICEd not sure if that is the only issue [07:26] g++ -fmessage-length=0 -c -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-stack-protector -fvisibility=hidden -I. -I../../../unxlngs.pro/inc/func -I/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.3.0~src680m224/ooo-build/build/src680-m224/solver/680/unxlngs.pro/inc/offuh -I../inc -I../../../inc/pch -I../../../inc -I../../../unx/inc -I../../../unxlngs.pro/inc -I. -I/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.3.0~src680m224/ooo-build/build/src680-m224/solver/680/unxlngs.pro [07:26] /inc/stl -I/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.3.0~src680m224/ooo-build/build/src680-m224/solver/680/unxlngs.pro/inc/external -I/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.3.0~src680m224/ooo-build/build/src680-m224/solver/680/unxlngs.pro/inc -I/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.3.0~src680m224/ooo-build/build/src680-m224/solenv/unxlngs/inc -I/build/buildd/openoffice.org-2.3.0~src680m224/ooo-build/build/src680-m224/solenv/inc -I/build/buildd/openoffice [07:26] calc: Right now, there's a lot of hand-waving about upgrading from LTS to LTS, but I know that almost zero effort has been put into allowing it. 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[07:26] calc: there seem to be errors before the ice [07:26] infinity: yea that could potentially take a LOT of work [07:26] doko: dude, use a pastebin. [07:27] doko: yea it seemed to attempt to compile some code lots of errors on that file and then ICE [07:27] Mithrandir: just two lines ;) === Hobbsee forces her fingers not to automatically give doko the bott [07:27] er, boot [07:27] Hobbsee: you're a trainee? ;) [07:27] doko: any ideas on why it would work on all archs but sparc? [07:28] calc: It will be a lot of work, but if we're starting with a stable toolchain, and a stable set of packages, and we're being conservative about the "bling" we try to put into gutsy+1, we could potentially have a lot of free developer resources to actually (gasp!) fix bugs, and test upgrade patchs. [07:28] s/patchs/paths/ [07:28] doko: i'm an op on almost all #*ubuntu* channels. [07:28] calc: Which is definitely a route I'd like to see us take. [07:28] doko: i dont usually have to think about kicking for floods. [07:28] no, get a recent chroot and the b-d's on faure [07:28] infinity: hehe yea === StevenK kicks make. [07:30] debian/rules:20: *** unterminated call to function `shell': missing `)'. Stop. [07:30] But it ends with a )! It does! [07:30] Bad quoting? === mario__ [n=mario@131-239.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] StevenK: Did you get my late night IRC notes about libnss-db? [07:31] How does stuff need to be quoted in $(shell )? [07:31] doko: i'm seeing stuff even like this: [07:31] doko: /usr/include/c++/4.1.3/typeinfo:42: error: expected unqualified-id before string constant [07:32] StevenK: What's the current line that's breaking? [07:32] doko: and lots of things like: /usr/include/c++/4.1.3/cwchar:70: error: expected unqualified-id before 'namespace' [07:32] infinity: VAR_DB := $(shell echo | cpp -include paths.h -dD | grep '#define _PATH_VARDB') [07:34] infinity: And I did, thank you. I've sorted out mostly everything, I think this is the last bit. [07:34] StevenK: It's the # it doesn't like. [07:35] Ah, backwhack the #? [07:35] Should do. === Hobbsee is thinking htis bling is seriously more trouble than it's worth [07:36] StevenK: And if you are reusing that var later, remember to quote it. [07:37] StevenK: "echo $(VAR_DB)" will just echo nothing, "echo "$(VAR_DB)"" will work. [07:37] calc: you did drop the ooo-build/desktop/po changes ... that means that people will start mis-translating the wrong translations again ... [07:37] (If you're using it in shell, that is) [07:37] infinity: It's about to be munged further, it will end up being a path. [07:37] doko: er where were the changes? [07:38] StevenK: awk '{print $2}' to the rescue! [07:38] doko: they weren't in bzr or ooo-build afaict [07:38] (Because cut is for losers) [07:38] doko: anything in ooo-build probably was dropped in that case [07:38] calc: you did take notes during the sprint ... [07:38] oh shit, yea i need to find those again :\ [07:38] StevenK: Err, print $3, even. :) [07:38] infinity: Actually, I'm using cut. :-) [07:38] there was a reason I did ask for the package before an upload :-( [07:38] StevenK: Loser. :) [07:38] doko: i don't recall you mentioning stuff under ooo-build though during that time, but i'll find my notes [07:39] infinity: Bite me. :-) [07:39] doko: i did port the other patches under patches/src680 === Nattgew [n=matthew@12-215-246-213.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] doko: ok found the notes [07:41] doko: i have detailed notes for stuff in debian dir but nothing for ooo-build [07:42] doko: is there an easy way to determine which svn revision was pulled from for the last upload you did so i can find what was changed for ubuntu? [07:42] calc: no [07:43] doko: hehehe, so er how do i find what was changed for ubuntu? [07:43] if i can't find a base version to diff against its almost impossible to determine what was ubuntu specific changes [07:43] unless you know in particular what they are === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] calc: publisher finished! [07:59] calc: -l10n and ooo amd64 are in the archive now [07:59] everyone with amd64, please test === siti [n=siti@121-73-61-64.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] pitti: cool :) [08:00] infinity: There are three /usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/@GETTEXT_PACKAGE@.mo files in the resultant .deb, can we deal, or should I see what's installing them? [08:00] infinity: Where de is de, nl and pl [08:00] pitti: Actually, I now that Oo.o has built on powerpc, libgcj7-0 can be NBS'd. :-) [08:01] s/I // [08:01] StevenK: finally :) [08:01] StevenK: That looks a bit messy to me. And it may also confuse the bejesus out of pkgstriptranslations and/or the rosetta imports. [08:01] pitti: And openoffice.org-gcj is also marked as NBS. [08:02] meh, that still needs some archive.u.c. mirroring, it seems [08:02] infinity: Right, I daresay I can fix it by kicking po out of 'SUBDIRS = intl po src' in Makefile.in [08:11] wrt the java stuff ooo 2.3 currently fails to build with java but i'm still working on getting that to work before release === mario__ is now known as pygi [08:16] StevenK: That won't drop pofiles completely? === Hobbsee heads home [08:18] Dear sejong, I hate you. Love, Adam. [08:18] infinity: i think you need to show it more forcefully than that === mh_away [n=mh@sd-socks-197.staroffice.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Hobbsee: I've forcefully rebooted it twice in the last two hours, what more does it want? [08:20] infinity: more rough love, of course. [08:20] infinity: an axe === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet in greeting === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] hey Mithrandir [08:21] hiya Martin [08:22] infinity: .po files weren't installed anyway [08:22] Dear yada, you suck, I hate you, and I want you to die. No Love, Steve [08:22] Files in first .deb but not in second [08:22] -rwxr-xr-x root/root DEBIAN/postinst === gizmo [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] infinity: I'm ready for you to look at libnss-db again. [08:24] infinity: Do you have time again, and how do you want the source? [08:25] pitti: Would a new libnss-db be accepted so that yada can be killed, or am I just dreaming? [08:25] s/killed/demoted/ [08:25] StevenK: I'll accept it after tribe4 [08:25] StevenK: i preferred it without the substitution [08:26] Heh [08:26] pitti: In which case, I may as well not upload it until after the freeze lifts anyway [08:26] StevenK: I thought infinity wanted to put it into Debian or so? === dexem [n=dani@212.97.172.119.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] Yeah, the Debian Maintainer is yada's upstream. "Here's this patch to change the build system. Enjoy" [08:27] StevenK: ooh, "oops" :) [08:28] vorlon has a Unoffical release goal to remove yada for Lenny, but he hasn't discussed it with the maintainer ... [08:30] The Debian maintainer hasn't uploaded it for ages, I might try hijacking it and see what happens. :P [08:30] StevenK: The po files weren't installed at all? That seems more like a bug than a feature... [08:30] morning [08:30] Unless they're useless. [08:31] infinity: Doing a debdiff between the last upload and my debhelper package, doesn't show anything to do with po at all [08:32] StevenK: Fair enough. I didn't mean it was YOUR bug, just perhaps a bug. :) [08:32] Heh [08:32] dexter isn't known for his finesse. [08:32] Or coding ability. === StevenK is still twitching after accidently trying to edit the yada-generated debian/rules file [08:33] wow i386 build takes forever, i think the buildd may be a bit slow, heh [08:33] It's not that slow.. [08:33] still going 11hr+ later [08:34] amd64 took 5h50m [08:34] buildd@rothera:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "^model name" ; free | grep ^Mem [08:34] model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz [08:34] Mem: 2076480 1870292 206188 0 398692 942840 [08:34] It could be beefier, but it's not crap. [08:34] asac: is there hope for bug 128360 or shall we postpone it? [08:34] Launchpad bug 128360 in network-manager "nm fails to connect to open network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/128360 [08:35] infinity: hmm weird that is taking so long then [08:35] pitti: heh thats my bug, i don't know asac's status on it right now though [08:36] infinity: So, how shall I get the source to you? [08:36] pitti: it probably can be postponed but it needs to be fixed before actual final release [08:36] StevenK: Mail worked last time. [08:36] calc: oh, btw, did you try OO.o on KDE without installing -gnome? (such as in bug 127944) [08:36] Launchpad bug 127944 in openoffice.org "[gutsy] Open Office applications don't start " [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127944 [08:36] pitti: something about ipw3945/wpa/nm causes it to not work at all for various people (not just me any more) [08:36] pitti: not yet, i don't have a copy of kubuntu installed right now === Nattgew [n=matthew@12-215-246-213.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:38] pitti: does removing the gnome/gtk packages cause it to fail or just if the kde ones are installed? [08:39] hmm if it works when gnome/gtk is installed i am confused about the bug i though people claimed it didn't work at all, not just on kubuntu [08:39] calc: unknown, but I guess removing -gnome makes it crash [08:39] trying here [08:40] someone running gnome said it failed on it as well [08:40] 2.3 works on ubuntu for me, so i think it may be fixed [08:40] I just purged -gnome and -gtk, and now it's hanging at the splash screen [08:40] calc: ^ with 2.2.1 still [08:40] and 100% cpu [08:41] ok i'll test on 2.3 [08:41] pitti: yea it was broken on 2.2.1 with the new glib upload [08:42] pitti: glib changed something that apparently wasn't considered abi stable [08:42] and broke lots of stuff not just ooo [08:42] i'll see if it breaks when removing gtk/gnome for 2.3 === siti [n=siti@121-73-61-64.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-21-236.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] pitti: yea openoffice.org-gtk has to be installed for it to start [08:46] calc: erk, do we have that on Kubuntu? or is -kde enough? [08:46] calc: there should be a dependency then [08:47] Should be, but you can cheat and fix it in the seeds for the Tribe... [08:47] pitti: it wasn't needed until apparently glib did something weird [08:47] -kde needs to depend on -gtk though, it would seem. [08:47] Oh, wait. It fails on non-kde too? [08:47] but glib apparently doesn't consider it a bug to break working programs, nsplugin is broken, acrobat, and several other things aiui [08:48] infinity: yea if you remove openoffice.org-gtk it fails to start [08:48] Special. [08:48] it worked, then new glib upload, now doesn't work anymore [08:48] without any changes on ooo side [08:48] calc: so we need to put openoffice.org-gtk on the Kubuntu CDs? [08:48] that doesn't mean the bug is in glib, it might just as well be other apps depending on undefined behaviour. [08:49] pitti: that'll make the Kubuntu camp happy. :-P [08:49] Mithrandir: Longstanding undefined behaviour becomes a feature after a while. === pitti checks which additional dependencies this would pull in [08:49] pitti: yea for now, that will pull in a lot of gtk/gnome stuff though i think :( [08:49] infinity: so did the people who stuffed pointers into int claim too. === calc needs to ask seb128 what the issue is, hopefully he'll know since it bites several other apps === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] infinity: Mail sent. [08:52] calc: wow, kubuntu already has libgtk [08:53] That's not a shock, really. [08:53] so that would leave gconf2 as additional depends [08:53] which in turn pulls in more stuff [08:55] gconf2 libgconf2-4 gconf2-common liborbit2 libidl0 [08:55] calc: ^ extra dependencies of -gtk on Kubuntu CD [08:55] roughly one MB altogether === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] ok [08:56] ok, *shrug*, I'll seed it for now [08:56] Riddell: ^ [08:56] needs a -meta upload, though [08:56] *sigh* [08:57] meta sucks less than OOo. [08:58] And OOo is STILL building on i386 anyway... [08:58] yeah [08:58] I'll go stop the publisher now, before it starts. [08:59] infinity: it's on manual already [08:59] So it is. :) [08:59] I just ran q-b manually to get the tracker builds [08:59] waiting for the kubuntu-meta now, then I'll run it again [08:59] You're stopping b-s before you run q-b, right? [08:59] looks to be something changed between gtk 2.11.5 and 2.11.6 [08:59] yes [09:00] pitti: Using ~lp_buildd/bin/queue-builder.sh ? [09:00] infinity: yes, that's what cprov told me [09:00] (I should just make that also stop and start the sequencer, for great justice) [09:00] pitti: Oh, good, I didn't know cprov even knew that was there. :) [09:00] that worked fine so far [09:01] pitti: It was just my littl cronjob from back when q-b didn't run from b-s. [09:05] infinity: Oh, one thing I forgot to mention in the mail is that the diff.gz no longer includes config.{guess,sub} === siti [n=siti@121-73-61-64.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:07] calc: can you please check installing -gtk and -kde and not -gnome? [09:09] calc: I updated #127944 === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] wb calc [09:11] calc: can you please check installing -gtk and -kde and not -gnome? [09:11] calc: I updated #127944 [09:11] so it seems that all the trouble of pushing 2.3 (and the associated risk) was in vain :/ [09:11] i hate Network Mangler :\ [09:11] it took my network down during upgrade [09:12] pitti: its not really any more broken than it was before though, so does get more testing for new version [09:12] calc: right, but it's quite a risk to update a package like that a day before tribe release :) [09:13] yea === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc is searching to see if a report was filed against kdebase for the same issue [09:14] pitti: Pushing it in before a Tribe makes more sense than doing it right after, IMO. Tribe releases mean broader testing, and a new upstream version needs all the testing it can get. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:15] Riddell: here? [09:15] pitti: I know I'm going against the grain on this one, but I'm a fan of "if it builds and installs successfully, and doesn't appear to eat user data, we want to ship it for testing". === pitti empties the tribe 4 bug list [09:15] pitti: please accept lcms, fixing build failure [09:16] infinity: as long as it works at all, I'm fine with it === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] infinity: I just fear if it doesn't at all for some weird reason [09:16] good morning sabdfl [09:16] pitti: That "weird reason" would be "because it's OpenOffice".. [09:16] moin moin [09:16] sabdfl; nice article [09:16] sabdfl: Mornin'. [09:16] desrt: ? [09:16] you were dugg very recently === calc notices if it is morning in UK its way past his bed time ;) [09:17] ah [09:17] about novell shooting themselves in the foot [09:17] with a shotgun, imo [09:17] doko: done [09:17] yet lenovo is now shipping novell [09:17] funny world it is [09:18] desrt: I see nothign on planet.u.c.? [09:18] ah, digg [09:18] pitti: does ooo-l10n get the same dpkg-predepends love? [09:19] doko: it had the same upload failure, yes [09:20] digg is the devil. i made a blog post last night and it got dugg and now i have a million moronic comments on my blog that i'm not providing enough information for [random digg reader] to understand my post [09:20] uh.. intended audience: planet gnome. not digg. [09:21] calc: so, -gtk and -kde together works with 2.3? (without -gnome) [09:21]