=== foxbuntu [n=nfoxqci@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:37] superm1, you there? [12:38] maybe [12:39] superm1: i'm setting up falcon here. do you know why it wouldn't want to create nice html pageS? every time i set the webroot in 'falcon configure', it gets reset [12:39] laga_, falcon 2? [12:39] or 1 [12:40] superm1: falcon 2 beta 2 [12:41] laga_, i haven't used falcon 2 yet because it doesnt work well with multiple repository targets [12:41] superm1: ah, i'm on my own then [12:41] :) [12:41] who needs html anyways [12:43] GF says i always get a throbbing artery on my forehead whenever i'm annoyed [12:43] coincidentally, i always get a throbbing artery on my forehead when i use launchpad [12:43] funny, huh? [12:43] well it sounds like you want your html pretty bad [12:43] actually launchpad works great for me now that i know how to use most of it [12:44] i don't need HTMl at all, it's just for me own use [12:44] oh then dont worry [12:44] heh, i guess it took you a while to figure out most of it ;) [12:44] yes [12:44] but i mean just yesterday we got the ~cpux-dev team pages and branches set up fairly quick [12:45] nice [12:45] "CPUID's CPU-Z program." [12:45] i remember that tool from my overclocking days [12:46] hum. looks like i got the last bugs ironed out in my pbuilder setup. i'm great at getting paths wrong [12:50] yea i'm going to do the gtk frontend for it (provided I gain $TIME) [12:57] nifty [12:57] i want a faster box to compile mythtv [12:57] and i already have a core 2 duo [12:57] likely the most time consuming part is installing the deps then [12:58] yes [12:58] pbuilder takes a lot of time [12:59] i'm using ccache now [12:59] that should help [01:01] yay, done! === laga_ needs to review his pbuilder setup some day [01:12] yay [01:12] here we go [01:14] that worked? [01:15] i've just installed the trunk packages via synaptic. uck will rebuild the iso now [01:17] ok [01:17] the synpatic debconf frontend is a bit weird [01:17] i need to modify a template [01:18] the synaptic debconf frontend is just a GNOME frontend :) [01:18] thats what most people using the packages will see [01:19] k [01:19] E: /var/cache/apt/archives/mythtv-common_0.20.1+trunk14147-0.0ubuntu0_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/text_button_on.png', which is also in package mythmusic [01:19] that's not good [01:20] huh? [01:20] how does that happen.... [01:20] gah [01:20] my fault. [01:21] the shoutcast patch. i need to learn to build from clean sources :) [01:21] i do wonder why the plugins are not removed by synaptic. [01:21] when i install a newer libmyth [01:22] because they don't depend on a particular version [01:22] hum [01:22] although they *should* i'm thinking now [01:22] should be changed i guess [01:23] Depends: mythtv-common (>= 0.20-0.0), mythtv-frontend (>= 0.20-0.0), ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} [01:23] for mythmusic [01:23] shouldn't shlibs:Depends take care of that? [01:23] or does that just compare major versions? [01:24] i think its just major version [01:24] that'd explain something [01:24] well, gotta take care of that later [01:25] ya [01:30] mythtv-common.preinst fails now. great :) [01:31] ha [01:31] how? [01:31] dunno. fails with exit status 30 which is not defined in the preinst itself [01:32] set +x [01:32] in the file [01:32] probably missing a || true [01:32] on a db_input [01:32] um [01:32] yes [01:32] that's very likely... [01:33] does db_get need || true as well? [01:33] i think so [01:34] db_go gets one as well while i'm at it [01:34] and i have just found out why /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database is not run [01:34] because i'm not calling it. [01:35] that's a good reason :) [01:35] superm1, when revu comes back up I just upload the orig, diff, changes, and dsc right? [01:35] yes tgm4883 [01:35] dput revu *.changes [01:35] thats all i have to do dput revu *.changes? [01:36] dput revu FILE.changes is probably better :) [01:36] but yea [01:36] and it gets the other files, nice [01:37] make sure you build source like this though [01:37] debuild -S -sa [01:37] so that you get the orig.tar.gz included in the .changes file [01:37] that reminds me === laga_ needs to set up gnupg :( [01:38] so the newest ver of mythstream is 0.17_2 according to their website [01:39] right - so what you'll want to do, after this is accepted into universe, is email the guy who maintains it [01:39] and its not in a debian repo that I can see, just they one guys packages [01:39] yup [01:39] the andrew fellow [01:39] and ask him to make changes to clean up the linda/lintian messy things [01:39] maybe send him a debdiff [01:39] of what you have [01:39] to what he had [01:39] ok [01:40] also, just to be sure about the versioning, mythstream_0.17.2-2ubuntu1 is what i have it as now [01:40] right [01:40] so the way that version works [01:40] ok, just wanted to be sure [01:40] its PACKGENAME_UPSTREAMVERSION-DEBIANVERSIONubuntuUBUNTUVERSION [01:41] ok, yea now i remember [01:41] so its the second debian version [01:43] exactly [01:43] okay i've gotta jet. i'll be back later this evening [01:44] tgm4883, the eta on revu i think from /topic in -motu is tomorrow around 5 utc [01:44] so hopefully they stick to that :) [01:44] hopefully === Tari_ [n=Tari@CPE-72-133-204-1.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:35] hum [02:36] it's annoying that mythbuntu.org is down :( === foxbuntu [n=nfoxqci@12-216-16-102.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:44] hum [03:45] the .iso produced by uck doesn't log in automatigically. [03:45] i guess a package was removed by synaptic === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-150.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jumpkick [n=GED@bas2-toronto47-1242398984.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:22] tgm4883, what package were you working on? === contant [n=contant@S0106004095302774.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:51] hello! [05:51] can someone help me with a problem i am having? === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:53] hello everyone! [05:53] i recently got my ir-transmitter and receiver workign for my mythtv setup ... i used the information available at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Motorola_DCT700_Channel_Change_Script ... when i issue channel change commands in the terminal i can get them to work fine but they do not work through the channel change script in mythtv [05:53] contant, what user do you issue them as? [05:53] your regular user? [05:53] yes [05:54] my regular user [05:54] okay check the permissions on the device that it is using to control the cable box [05:54] typically /dev/ttyS0 or somethign similar [05:54] it should be using the dialout group typically [05:54] just open that in the file manager program? [05:54] make sure that the mythtv user is also in the dialout group [05:54] it should be by default, but in case its not [05:54] dialout group? what is that? [05:54] that is the most common cause for trouble [05:55] well just do 'ls -l /dev/DEVICE' [05:55] where DEVICE is yours [05:55] the one that is being modified [05:55] and you will determine the group that it is [05:55] ok how do i know if it is TTYS0 or 01? [05:55] well you can check both of them [05:55] they should have the same permissions [05:56] crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 2007-08-07 20:38 /dev/ttyS0 [05:56] crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 65 2007-08-07 20:38 /dev/ttyS1 [05:57] does that look right or is that only root given access? [05:57] okay now check 'cat /etc/group | grep dialout' [05:57] see if mythtv is in the list [05:57] dialout:x:20:cupsys,contant,mythtv [05:58] okay looks right [05:58] damn :) was hoping for an easy solution [05:58] see in my nomral user - when i goto terminal and type in a command to the receiver (cable box) it works [05:58] but then mythtv wont change the channels [05:58] oh wait, i just looked closer at the howto you were using. it is using ir, not serial [05:58] so the stuff i had you check wasn't relevant :) [05:59] where is the python script kept at? [05:59] i put it where it told me to [05:59] /usr/bin [05:59] right [05:59] named in change-channel.py [05:59] and did you chmod +x it ? [05:59] no [06:00] you'll need to do that [06:00] sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/change-channel.py [06:00] do i goto the dir and write chmod +x and its name? [06:00] yup [06:00] that makes it executable [06:00] ok [06:00] is there any package i may need to download? [06:00] or do u think that will do it? [06:00] you shouldn't need to do anything else with it [06:01] after its marked executable, mythtv should be able to run it too [06:01] ok [06:01] in the mythtv-setup do i write change-channel.py [06:01] yup [06:01] or /usr/bin/change-channel.py? [06:01] actually either should work [06:01] ok [06:01] well i will report back with status in a sec k? [06:01] (using my mythbox to IRC) [06:02] k === contant [n=contant@S0106004095302774.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:08] superm1? [06:08] ya [06:08] mythtv is sending commands to the receiver now [06:08] work? or no [06:08] great :) [06:08] but they arnen;t exactkly right :S [06:08] ie it starts of right and changes the channel to 2 [06:08] then when press channel up the guide opens [06:09] when i change to 35 ... it changes to 3 ... [06:09] etc [06:09] im thinking there is a problem since my receiver is the DCT2400 but the script is for the 700 [06:09] so it sounds like that script needs some pauses then [06:09] i thought it would be ok since the memo says that this script was created by modifying the 2400 one [06:10] well truthfully, the most ideal way to do things is by serial on those boxes [06:10] does yours have a serial port? [06:10] yes [06:10] but my provider says they cant enable it [06:10] she said she believes they are all disabled by motorola and they cant enable them for me [06:11] have you checked to see if it possibly is already enabled? [06:11] of the 3 cable co's i've dealt with, one of them told me the same thing [06:11] i tried setting it up and it didnt change but that also could have been because my script was wrong [06:11] and coincidently it was already on [06:11] ok is there a quick test i can try? [06:11] yea one sec let me get you a link [06:11] ok [06:12] thanks alot! [06:12] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_External_Channel_Changer [06:12] that is where i went before to try it [06:12] will try agian and let u know what it says/does [06:13] should i use precompiled or build from source? [06:14] i remember disabling the serial port or something when setting up IR - i think i remeber changing UART to none or something like that - forget whre -- will that be a problem for trying this> [06:14] yes it will [06:15] if you already tested with this though [06:15] dont bother again [06:15] i think i should try again just in case [06:15] do u know what file i changed? [06:16] contant@ubuntu:~$ cd mythtv-0.20/contrib/channel_changers [06:16] bash: cd: mythtv-0.20/contrib/channel_changers: No such file or directory [06:16] you don't need to build it from source [06:16] just grab the precompiled binary [06:16] ok [06:17] so thats channel.bin - its on my desktop now [06:17] yea just move it to /usr/local/bin [06:19] ok [06:19] bash: /usr/local/bin/channel: Permission denied [06:20] chmod +x /usr/local/bin [06:20] there was the setserial program i ran and disabled something [06:20] chmod +x /usr/local/bin/channel [06:20] channel: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output erro [06:20] yea you have to undo your modification to the serial uart for that to work [06:21] ok do u know how i can do that - i think it was some auto serial i copied or something [06:21] there are about 3 ways to do it [06:21] so i'm not sure which one you did :) [06:22] well i ran this setserial program [06:22] clicked manual [06:22] then copuied a file to another file [06:22] lets see [06:23] i dont really know it offhand [06:23] look at the howto you followed [06:23] ok i found what i did if you want to see [06:23] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty [06:23] scroll/search to: sudo apt-get install setserial [06:24] i did 2nd method [06:24] yea i wrote that howto some time back, but it's been ages :) [06:25] lol [06:25] should i run the reconfigure again? [06:25] you should likely just need to remove /etc/serial.conf [06:25] and reboot [06:26] ok after i reboot the channel command should work? [06:26] i will come back on and let you know [06:26] after you reboot, do a setserial /dev/ttyS0 and make sure that the uart is not none [06:26] and then the command will be working in theory [06:26] i'll be back in a few minutes myself === contant [n=contant@S0106004095302774.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:32] superm1 ? [06:32] contant@ubuntu:~$ setserial /dev/ttyS0 [06:32] /dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 [06:32] contant@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure setserial [06:32] Password: [06:32] contant@ubuntu:~$ setserial /dev/ttyS1 [06:32] /dev/ttyS1, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02f8, IRQ: 3 [06:32] contant@ubuntu:~$ [06:35] channel: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error [06:36] contant, okay so it looks like it is still keeping the setting [06:36] damn [06:36] you might need to remove /var/lib/setserial/autoserial.conf [06:36] ok [06:37] this is what you want to see: [06:37] mythtv@mythdell:~$ setserial /dev/ttyS0 [06:37] /dev/ttyS0, UART: 16550A, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 [06:37] i think it had a UART before it ws changed [06:37] well you know you can do this [06:37] temporarily [06:37] sudo setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart 16550A [06:37] that will re-enable it temporarily [06:38] did that [06:38] contant@ubuntu:/var/lib/setserial$ channel [06:38] Communication failed after 5 tries [06:38] 0 [06:38] okay so it looks like your box won't communicate [06:39] that's a shame [06:39] yah ? [06:39] damn [06:39] any chance im on ttys01? [06:39] there are parameters on channel to try another port [06:39] so it won't hurt [06:39] you'll have to look at channel --help to see though [06:39] do i need to change the uart for ttyS1? [06:40] yes [06:40] same thing [06:41] contant@ubuntu:/var/lib/setserial$ channel -p /dev/ttyS1 [06:41] Communication failed after 5 tries [06:41] 0 [06:41] looks like you lose :( [06:41] harsh :( [06:41] so your confident it is my box and not the computer then eh? [06:42] the only other thing can be that cable your using [06:42] its a straight through cable not null modem right? [06:42] the thing that worrys me is there is no way to know my serial port is working since i have never used it before [06:42] yes straight cable [06:42] how are you irblasting? [06:42] thru the serial i would think? [06:44] yes ir blast is the pvr-150 MCE setup [06:44] USB receiver with a cable that plugs into the blaster [06:44] oh that blaster.... [06:45] i've got a love / hate relationship with mine [06:45] did i screw up my blaster setup with the serial change [06:45] not the one that plugs into the card [06:45] right [06:45] its a mceusb2 remotes [06:45] and there are two plugs on the back of the receiver for blasters [06:45] it only works with my audio receiver, not my tv, not any other device i've ever tried to get it to work with === alpaca [n=Greg@75.110.203.45] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:46] hey all [06:46] hows it goin [06:46] evenin alpaca [06:46] yeah thats the one superm1 [06:46] contant, you really need to mess around with the placement of the IR led on that one a lot [06:46] to get things to be working correctly [06:46] and the other problem is that it can't send and receive at the same time [06:46] it was working flawlessly superm1 (from the terminal setting) [06:47] likely your problem is the send/receive at same time then [06:47] since i have it control my audio receiver, what i did was mapped the key that normally switches inputs on the receiver with a sleep command, and i always make sure to not be pressing the button too long [06:47] irsend SEND_START DCT700 power [06:48] irsend SEND_STOP DCT700 stop [06:48] irsend SEND_STOP DCT700 power [06:48] you'll likely need a pretty creative solution to get around this problem [06:48] wrong window contant :) [06:49] hehe [06:49] anyone have a suggestion or suggestions if I want to build a mythtv box [06:49] a guide [06:49] or anything [06:49] superm1 - what is going to be the problem>? im confused [06:50] does the channel change script have to come with the part i add to the lircrc.conf file (so the commands tie etc.) [06:50] contant, the problem is either a hardware limitation of the mceusb2 or possibly the implementation of the driver for it in linux [06:50] because it can only do a receive or a send at one time [06:50] and receive takes priority over send [06:50] why does it need to do both at the same time? [06:50] well it doesnt [06:50] but when you are in live mode [06:51] and you hit a button to change a channel [06:51] your still holding a button [06:51] and that would be where the issue comes in [06:51] wont it be like Channel up [send to box] channel up [to receiver] [06:51] wont it just be delayed? [06:51] well myth doesn't interpret them that way [06:51] foxbuntu: By chance do you happen to have an itemized list of all art/design targets? (Or anyone for that matter.) [06:51] let me try to explain a bit better [06:52] alpaca, for hardware recommendations, just look at the docs on mythtv.org that describe hardware [06:52] contant, so say your on channel 32, and you want to go to channel 33. now myth doesn't just send a channel up command when you press channel up [06:52] it instead sends the commands "3 3 enter" [06:52] ok [06:53] so when you press channel up, myth interprets this immediately, and your likely still holding channel up during the miliseconds that it is starting to send the commands for 3 3 enter [06:53] so will it wait until im done? [06:53] well that's where the problem comes in here [06:53] no it won't [06:53] how does windows mediacenter deal with this issue cuz i know this is common hardware in MCE [06:53] to verify this hypothesis, start your frontend and control it with a keyboard [06:54] ok [06:54] see if the same channel changing problem occurs [06:56] superm1 - it kinda works but is verrry slow [06:56] like change channel -- wait 6 secs ... channel changes [06:57] the important thing is that it was accurate though [06:57] i dont know the keyboard keys for channel up and down though [06:57] so im not 100% on them [06:57] up/down? [06:58] up/down.... then enter [06:58] like though the program guide - yeah that works [06:59] okay so then that does show my hypothesis correct then. as for how win mce gets around it, probably a better driver implementaiton [06:59] *implementation [06:59] i mean the driver is entirely reverse engineered on linux [06:59] gotcha [06:59] yeah so it is very slow with the keyboard and doesnt work without [07:00] well now if your not planning on watching live tv here [07:00] maybe i will have to not use my cable box :S bye bye digital tv [07:00] then its not a big deal [07:00] i would like to be able to watch live too though [07:00] is it possible to only use the cable box for digital channels [07:00] ? [07:00] if you have multiple tuners yes [07:00] and get the analog right from the cable === alpaca [n=Greg@75.110.203.45] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [07:01] cant i plug the box into s-video and the cable into the tuner? [07:01] and make it like channels 1-60 use the cable and 60-70 use the box (svid)>? [07:01] well honestly i've never configured it that way. i don't see why you wouldn't be able to [07:01] weird. that's never come up before :) [07:01] that way 90% of the channels come though without the remote change issue and pause [07:02] but then if i want a channel i cant get without the box, it will still be able to get it [07:03] actualyl maybe i will just scrap the box if its too hard to get working [07:03] seems like abit of a waste though [07:03] well alternate solution is an IR transmitter via a serial ir blaster === Sphagnum [n=Tari@CPE-72-133-204-1.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:04] oh gotcha [07:04] will it still be very slow? [07:04] well there is going to be at least a 2 second lag for buffering [07:04] thats fine [07:04] i can't speak for how fast your cable box processes the inputs though [07:04] this shows the channel getting typed on screen which looks kinda funny - but this starts like 4 secs arter the channel change command [07:05] and the cable box display of the channel info comes up like 2 secs after mythtv's display goes away [07:06] the only way you can try to improve that is by lessening delays in that python script you had [07:06] but i'd be wary of that [07:06] because they are there for a reason [07:07]