[12:31] <LaserJock> stgraber: your welcome email has : "Than you for registering an Ubuntu ISO Testing account!" should be Thank
[12:32] <stgraber> oh, both pochu and heno didn't notice this one :)
[12:32] <stgraber> thanks
[12:59] <LaserJock> stgraber: you testing amd64 or i386?
[12:59] <stgraber> i386
[01:00] <LaserJock> k, me too
[01:00] <LaserJock> I'm doing one Server Addon check right now
[01:00] <LaserJock> I'll have to wait until I get home in a couple hours to do the WinFOSS check
[04:49] <nrayever> hi
[04:50] <nrayever> i was wondering if anyone had ever tried to boot edubuntu in terminal using a small hd?
[05:02] <nrayever> anybody??
[05:08] <LaserJock> I haven't
[05:09] <LaserJock> and I'm thinking most people are asleep right now
[05:09] <LaserJock> nrayever: you could certainly try the edubuntu-users mailing list
[05:36] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:49] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:51] <sbalneav> Hey!
[05:51] <sbalneav> Ollie get a tribe out the door?
[05:51] <sbalneav> I am sooo beat
[05:51] <sbalneav> We got 8 yards of soil today.
[05:51] <sbalneav> Me and the kids got it all spread around.
[05:51] <sbalneav> My back hurts.
[05:52] <sbalneav> I'm cold, and there are wolves after me.
[05:52] <sbalneav> Now my youngest son's talking smack about my typing.
[05:53] <sbalneav> It's a tough old life.
[06:10] <LaserJock> sbalneav: no, tribe 4 had some issues
[06:10] <LaserJock> the Desktop CDs were oversized
[06:11] <LaserJock> so we ended up having to take out tuxpaint
[06:20] <LaserJock> sbalneav: there was also some apt issue that messed up LTSP stuff I think
[07:44] <melinate> anyone around who knows how to set up the DHCP server?
[10:01] <ktama> Hello, I am a beginner edubuntu and English. I have a question.
[10:02] <ktama> I made thin client environment to install ltsp-server and openssh-server.
[10:05] <ktama> the client can not find USB flash memory, How do I solve this problem?
[10:35] <ogra> ktama, did yu use that with the edubuntu server isntall or was that system istalled from a liveCD ?
[10:40] <ktama> I install ubuntu-japanese-localize version, and I refer to edubuntu serever made by my teacher
[10:41] <ktama> I am sorry, I am poor at English
[10:42] <ktama> I use synaptic packege manager to install ltsp-server and openssh-server.
[10:52] <dhq> which is the best typing tutor
[10:55] <ogra> ktama, edubuntu server comes with ltsp set up and installed out of the box already
[10:57] <ktama> OK, Mr.ogra. I install edubuntu server. thank you!
[12:19] <edubuntugirl> man that was a long sleep
[12:20] <ogra> edubuntugirl, morning dear bot :)
[12:20] <edubuntugirl> ogra: *blink*
[12:31] <encompass> if anyone wants to try my little GSoC program, give me a message and I can show you how to get it started. http://launchpad.net/pystart
[12:32] <encompass> needs some testing and I have a few questions for the people that use it.
[12:34] <encompass> ogra: edubuntugirl is a bot?
[12:38] <edubuntugirl> encompass: yep.
[12:39] <highvoltage> encompass: nice logo for pystart. what does pystart do?
[12:40] <highvoltage> (public holiday here, just woke up an hour ago :) )
[12:49] <encompass> highvoltage: doesn't it say?  It is a program to help teachers teach python
[12:49] <encompass> yeah
[12:51] <encompass> highvoltage: if you need help setting it up I can help you
[03:08] <Watersevenub> Is there any updated page similar to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstalledApplications?action=show&redirect=ApplicationSelection? which shows the applications of Edubuntu?
[03:58] <ogra> Watersevenub, i dont think so ... we worked on a spec for a voting mechanism etc but thats not there yet
[03:59] <ogra> Watersevenub, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/edubuntu.gutsy/files the union of desktop and live should give you a pretty detailed list though
[04:00] <Watersevenub> ogra, thank you.
[04:04] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:04] <juliux> morning sbalneav
[04:05] <ogra> sbalneav, good timing ;)
[04:06] <sbalneav> For showing up?
[04:06] <ogra> yeah
[04:06] <sbalneav> Whats up?
[04:06] <ogra> 2mins before a release is good timing i think ;)
[04:06] <sbalneav> lol
[04:07] <ogra> one bad ldm bug showed up bte
[04:07] <sbalneav> \o/ for me
[04:07] <ogra> *btw
[04:07] <sbalneav> Yeah, that one's already fixed in my tree
[04:07] <ogra> bug 131259 ?
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131259 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  LDM doesn't disconnect ssh on logout" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131259
[04:07] <sbalneav> but other things are broken, so don't sync at the moment
[04:07] <ogra> i wont
[04:07] <ogra> i'll care for Q-Funk's LinuxBIOS stuff now
[04:08] <sbalneav> yeah, squashed that 2 days ago.
[04:08] <ogra> and want to try to get something basic out of the ltsp-manager code
[04:08] <sbalneav> Oh, excellend.
[04:08] <ogra> so we have *something* in gutsy as base for LTS
[04:08] <sbalneav> I've got the lang menu populating now, I just need to get the session menu going.
[04:08] <ogra> francis is already busy writing specs :)
[04:09] <sbalneav> :)
[04:09] <ogra> i'D like to substitute locale names with a table like gdm uses
[04:09] <ogra> even thats ugly code, it will look a lot better for the user
[04:09] <sbalneav> yeah, that'd be nice.  Since we're going to get all the basics in for this release, it'll WORK, we'll get the polish on for the lts release.
[04:10] <sbalneav> I'm VERY excited about gutsy
[04:10] <ogra> (gdm has a translation table so de_DE becomes "German")
[04:10] <ogra> it totally limits the set of locales but is way way cleaner
[04:10] <sbalneav> We can just steal^H^H^H^H^Huse that code.
[04:10] <ogra> yeah
[04:11] <sbalneav> ogra++
[04:11] <sbalneav> I hurt.
[04:11] <sbalneav> I moved 8 yards of soil ysterday.
[04:11] <ogra> what i'D like in gutsy already is a hardcoded xterm session as fallback
[04:11] <sbalneav> Oh, yeah, that'll be in there.
[04:11] <ogra> ouch
[04:12] <sbalneav> That's like an entire DUMPTRUCK full
[04:12] <ogra> susie bougth a handmower for me ... to get rid of my belly
[04:12] <sbalneav> one. Wheelbarrow. At. A. Time.
[04:12] <ogra> now i have to mow 600sqm once a week with that thing
[04:13] <sbalneav> Well, that'll make your legs an back strong.  Won't do much for your belly. :)
[04:13] <ogra> well, feels rather like its "good" for my sholders
[04:14] <sbalneav> Yeah, it'll be  an upper body workout.
[04:14] <ogra> yep
[04:14] <ogra> well
[04:14] <ogra> at least i'm forced to move ...
[04:14] <sbalneav> What did you have before? A push gas/electric, or a riding mower?
[04:14] <ogra> electric
[04:15] <sbalneav> Yeah, same here.
[04:15] <sbalneav> I hate gas mowers
[04:15] <sbalneav> too ruddy nosy, and bad for the environment.
[04:15] <ogra> the ground isnt big enough for a gas one imho
[04:15] <ogra> susie would like one
[04:15] <juliux> ogra, have fu wiht your handmower
[04:15] <juliux> fun
[04:15] <ogra> juliux, i already had ... (can hardly lift my arms)
[04:16] <sbalneav> I'll reassign the ldm bug to me, and mark it in progress.
[04:16] <ogra> oki
[04:16] <sbalneav> and post a comment.
[04:20] <sbalneav> Could you mark bug #109270 as a wishlist?
[04:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109270 in ltsp "[FR]  user list in ldm" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109270
[04:20] <sbalneav> I don't have that option.
[04:20] <ogra> sbalneav, btw, it would be nice if the server option isnt shown in the preferences as long as (# of servers) == 1
[04:21] <ogra> but that can be LTS as well indeed
[04:22] <sbalneav> Actually, I'll get that going for this release.
[04:22] <sbalneav> because that's the way I want it as well.
[04:22] <sbalneav> I'm getting a real education in GTK programming, let me tell you :)
[04:23] <ogra> sbalneav, and we should probably make it read something like LDM_THEME so its possible to override the default theme from lts.conf
[04:23] <ogra> else you would have to run update-alternatives and ltsp-update-image all the time
[04:24] <ogra> and it would make per cliet themeing possible ...
[04:24] <sbalneav> Yeah, THAT can be for gutsy + 1 :)
[04:26] <ogra> well its only a getenv call and a strcpy, no ?
[04:26] <sbalneav> We should also do something next time for bug #67397
[04:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67397 in ltsp "LDM session information should be cleaner" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67397
[04:26] <sbalneav> Along the same lines as the gdm lang code.
[04:26] <ogra> same as the locale thing
[04:26] <ogra> snap :)
[04:26] <sbalneav> right.
[04:27] <ogra> i wanted to do te locale thing in ldm1 already, but debian complained that i'D hide stuff
[04:27] <ogra> same for the sessions
[04:27] <ogra> if you have xfce installed in ldm1 it really gets messy ...
[04:27] <ogra> you have xfce and xfce-session ...
[04:27] <ogra> same for icewm
[04:28] <ogra> debian insisted to have each window manager as well in there, not only the sessions
[04:28] <ogra> i want only the sessions ... debian can send patches if tehy want to call WMs directly imho
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya
[04:38] <sbalneav> Going up for breakfast.  Will be popping in and out all day.
[05:07] <highvoltage> ogra: not sure if you're back, could edubuntu make tribe 4?
[05:07] <ogra>  /topic :P
[05:08] <highvoltage> great! thanks ogra :)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> sawasdee
[06:11] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: rsync?
[06:11] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: excuse me?
[06:11] <highvoltage> hmm
[06:14] <Spec> Heya...I'm about to do a presentation on ltsp/edubuntu....anyone know any rough figures of how much paid-for-support usually costs? (yearly)
[06:15] <highvoltage> Spec: from whom?
[06:15] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[06:15] <Spec> That's not really important. I'm just gonna briefly mention that paid for support exists, and it usually runs about xxx-xxx$
[06:15] <highvoltage> Spec: I've done presentations on LTSP and Ubuntu before, if you'd like to steal some ideas
[06:15] <Spec> highvoltage, yessir definitely!
[06:15] <ogra> Thin client and cluster support 	$1200 (USD)* 	$4000 (USD)*
[06:15] <Spec> 1200-4000$ / year?
[06:15] <ogra> first is 9x5 second 24x7
[06:16] <Spec> ah hah, excellent #rs
[06:17] <Spec> anyone have support #rs for a 16-comp win lab?
[06:18] <highvoltage> Spec: I've uploaded them to http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/presentations/
[06:18] <Spec> nice
[06:20] <highvoltage> wow, I didn't remember that my ubuntu talk had so many slides :)
[06:21] <Spec> for the heading of a slide containing just webernet links
[06:21] <Spec> what should it be?
[06:21] <Spec> "hyperlinks"? "webernet links"? i'm talking to government peoples / low income housing
[06:28] <LaserJock> ogra: wahoo, it made it! :-)
[06:28] <ogra> LaserJock, yeah
[06:29] <LaserJock> ogra: on the rebuild the amd64 LiveCD lost 55MB!
[06:29] <ogra> addon looks sweet btw
[06:29] <LaserJock> so I had pitti put es lang packs back on
[06:29] <ogra> yeah, there is still some space
[06:30] <LaserJock> ogra: thanks, still need to mess with icons and get some more apps on there :-)
[06:30] <ogra> but additionally there must be something else that was added
[06:30] <ogra> i'll investigate before tribe5
[06:30] <LaserJock> the LiveCD installs fine :-)
[06:30] <ogra> well, i'm not a fan of the new fusa applet
[06:31] <ogra> seems so silly on the live dsktop
[06:31] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, I haven't tried it yet, but ...
[06:31] <ogra> but seb urgently wants to keep it there
[06:31] <ogra> it doesnt work on ltsp either
[06:31] <LaserJock> ogra: well, seb128 said he needs to hack on something to get it to not die if it's not installed
[06:31] <ogra> so i'm inclined to throw it out completely
[06:32] <LaserJock> it was off, but then stgraber reported that the LiveCD gives an error when you load up
[06:32] <ogra> else we need to hack up ldm to create ~/.Xauthority
[06:32] <LaserJock> I guess because the applet is in the default panel profile
[06:32] <ogra> it was added over night
[06:32] <ogra> the error is gone
[06:33] <ogra> but now we have the applet eating panel space "Live CD User"
[06:33] <ogra> (and nothing to switch to)
[06:33] <LaserJock> I totally agree though that it's not great on LTSP
[06:33] <LaserJock> well, I *did* like that it shows you your still using the live CD
[06:33] <ogra> the only use case i see for it is that you can access users and groups through a rigth click now
[06:34] <LaserJock> I've seen several cases when people didn't know if they were on the livecd or not
[06:34] <LaserJock> RichEd-1: ping
[06:35] <ogra> he's got a day off today iirc
[06:35] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[06:35] <ogra> he said so at the meeting
[06:35] <LaserJock> ogra: I was thinking of adding actual menu items (not in a submenu) to install the xfce and KDEedu stuff together
[06:35] <ogra> sounds good
[06:36] <LaserJock> ogra: I haven't looked at the logs of the meetings yet
[06:36] <LaserJock> I think all I should need is to put the edubuntu-addon-  metapacks on the addon cd
[06:36] <LaserJock> and then make a desktop to install edubuntu-addon-light and edubuntu-addon-kde
[06:36] <ogra> thats a trivial seed change
[06:37] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, and I can even do that now
[06:37] <ogra> yup :)
[06:37] <ogra> feel free all the time :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> haha
[06:37] <LaserJock> k
[06:38] <LaserJock> and with Colins great idea of using the app-install-data-edubuntu package, I can upload changes anytime and they show up on the next daily
[06:38] <ogra> yeah
[06:38] <ogra> anyway, i'll take off for today ...
[06:39] <LaserJock> ok, you deserve it :-)
[06:39] <ogra> i'll probably drop by later though
[06:39] <LaserJock> I've got a lot of real life work today
[06:39] <LaserJock> but maybe later I'll upload a new edubuntu-addon-meta
[06:39] <LaserJock> and tweak the seeds
[06:56] <highvoltage> ogra++ :)
[06:56] <highvoltage> I was busy rsyncing it but I reached my cap and had to start over :/
[06:58] <LaserJock> ouch
[08:04] <Cooldude37554745> Heya i need help
[08:04] <Cooldude37554745> How to i get access so i can delete stuff?
[08:05] <Cooldude37554745> I need help how do i make firefox start at google not at edubuntu.com
[08:05] <Cooldude37554745> ??
[08:06] <Cooldude37554745> ANYONE
[08:06] <LaserJock> Cooldude37554745: Go into Edit -> Preferences
[08:06] <LaserJock> phew
[08:12] <highvoltage> phew?
[08:13] <LaserJock> that Cooldude character seemed like trouble
[08:13] <highvoltage> seemed a bit impatient.
[08:15] <stgraber> ogra, sbalneav: I'll update the test classroom I'm managing tomorrow afternoon, I currently have Feisty server running ltsp from Gutsy and I'm going to rebuild the chroot with latest ltsp, do you have one with fixed ldm2 around ?
[08:20] <stgraber> sbalneav: if you have some kind of patch for ldm2 fixing that issue, I can also rebuild the package myself, it's no problem (as I have to rebuild the package anyway for backport on Feisty)
[08:22] <stgraber> oh, and while I am at it, what's the easiest way to fix the resolution to 1024x768 on all clients ? (it's causing some problem with vnc if they are running on different resolutions)