[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> can i disable atime in linux ?
[12:40] <PurpleFool> It's a mount time option isn't it
[12:40] <PurpleFool> Which f/s are you using?
[12:41] <PurpleFool> Anyone listening who's running Xen doms under gutsy?
[12:41] <pvandewyngaerde> UUID=6369bc6b-c8bc-4ff5-980c-c8323ee39e33 / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1
[12:42] <PurpleFool> s/atime/noatime/
[12:42] <PurpleFool> Doesn't that do what you're after?
[12:46] <PurpleFool> No Xen users awake then, huh?
[12:52] <databuddy> !atime
[12:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about atime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <databuddy> http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec73.html
[12:52] <databuddy> quite interesting dealio
[12:53] <databuddy> any benifits for reiserfs PurpleFool ? i use ext3 / ntfs / reiserfs
[12:54] <pvandewyngaerde> http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148
[12:54] <pvandewyngaerde> about atime
[12:57] <PurpleFool> databuddy, Turning of atime?  Haven't looked for a long time.  Don't know WHY pvandewyngaerde is turning it off.
[12:57] <databuddy> @_@
[12:58] <pvandewyngaerde> just read the article
[12:58] <PurpleFool> There was a question and I swung :)
[01:17] <PSILOSSSSSSSSSSS> what u sugg me for a webserver(apache) and mysql
[01:17] <PSILOSSSSSSSSSSS> php,JSP,asp.. something else?
[01:44] <mrsno> anyone else getting bug 130724 still ?
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130724 in yelp "[gutsy]  No help in Gnome control-center" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130724
[01:44] <mrsno> bug 130920
[01:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130920 in yelp "Page not found (dup-of: 130724)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130920
[02:17] <mikeconcepts> easy question: is there a desktop cube in gutsy without doing anything other than restricted drivers and desktop effects being enabled?
[02:18] <RAOF> Not quit.
[02:18] <RAOF> mikeconcepts: quite.  I think we use Wall by default, not Cube.
[02:18] <mikeconcepts> So what I have now must be called Wall, I see
[02:19] <RAOF> Like a big plane, yes?
[02:19] <mikeconcepts> I must find where to increase workspaces to 4
[02:20] <RAOF> mikeconcepts: install "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[02:20] <mikeconcepts> yes, like a plane, with a special graphic added that indicates what is happening, cool feature
[02:20] <vlowther> now, for fixes to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/129226 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50214 ...
[02:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] 
[02:22] <RAOF> Ooh, awesome.
[02:23] <RAOF> vlowther: Or just update.
[02:24] <RAOF> vlowther: The fact that the bug fix won't make tribe4 doesn't mean there won't be a fixed kernel until tribe 5!
[02:26] <vlowther> yeah, but give me a pointer to the patch and I will compile a kernel that works for me. ;)
[02:27] <RAOF> vlowther: You could pull Ubuntu-kernel-git, and build than :)
[02:32] <mikeconcepts> can't resolve archive.ubuntu.com, have checked everything in sources
[02:36] <mikeconcepts> wonder if the repository archive.ubuntu.com is down
[02:38] <vlowther> true... but I want everyone to do the work for me!
[03:08] <stdin> ^ that's got to be against the CoC
[03:24] <vlowther> :)
[03:45] <lch> hi, i run gutsy and automount of USB memory stick stopped working, reinstalling of udev and hal did not work. seen bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/130490 but that does not have real detail about the solution. does someone know what to do here?
[03:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130490 in hal "No usb disks at all mount [gutsy] " [Undecided,New] 
[04:06] <ioioioioiiiio> hi! is how stable is the current gutsy release>?
[04:06] <ioioioioiiiio> (im a desktop user and wouldnt mind a crash once every few days, just not constantly :)
[04:15] <stdin> then you don't want gutsy yet
[04:32] <ioioioioiiiio> k thanx
[04:34] <xsacha> hey
[04:35] <xsacha> gutsy tells me this today: "A new distribution version is available"
[04:35] <xsacha> should i upgrade? what is it?
[04:36] <alexis600> is tribe4 out yet?
[04:36] <RAOF> No, read /topic
[04:36] <RAOF> Oh, whoops.  Sorry
[04:37] <RAOF> alexis600: Anyway, soon.  You can test the CD images if you like :)
[04:37] <alexis600> hehe
[04:37] <xsacha> so does anyone know what this 'Version upgrade' is?
[04:38] <stdin> xsacha: just go with it, it's not like you'll get ubuntu+2 :p
[04:38] <xsacha> i dunno lol
[04:39] <xsacha> it has an installer thing and then it says it cant download the release announcement
[04:46] <xsacha> http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9259/here2kk3.png
[05:36] <IdleOne> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33020/ can someone take a look at this and tell me what the next step is?
[05:39] <stdin> IdleOne: something like "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" or localeconf
[05:39] <IdleOne> stdin, I'll give it a shot
[05:40] <IdleOne> stdin, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales worked. thank you
[05:41] <stdin> IdleOne: no problem, I remember having to do that a while ago
[06:18] <rosensturm> Do the binary nvidia drivers in Gutsy support the 8600 GTS card?
[06:24] <PurpleFool> Any Xen users awake atm?
[06:25] <PurpleFool> Or how about someone with kernel package building experience?
[06:25] <RAOF> rosensturm: No, sadly.
[06:25] <RAOF> rosensturm: Basically, the new drivers have horrible, annoying regressions.
[06:26] <RAOF> rosensturm: The bug you want to be tracking is: bug 120943
[06:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120943 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Update nvidia-glx-new package to latest 100 series driver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120943
[06:29] <se7en^Of^9> what do i do if i have unmet dependencis
[06:29] <se7en^Of^9> ython-qt3: Depends: python-sip4 (>= 4.7) but 4.6-1ubuntu3 is installed
[06:30] <RAOF> se7en^Of^9: Wait until they're fixed.
[06:31] <se7en^Of^9> RAOF: how i cant so sudo apt-get upgrade anymore
[06:31] <RAOF> se7en^Of^9: This is normal, and will happen all the time in Gutsy testing
[06:32] <RAOF> se7en^Of^9: You wait until the fixed packages are uploaded, and then it works again.
[06:32] <se7en^Of^9> ok thanks that's easy
[06:52] <defendguin> how come in gutsy under preferred applications there is not place to define what happens when a DVD is inserted?
[06:53] <RAOF> defendguin: Because that's Removable Devices and Media
[06:54] <defendguin> hmm
[06:55] <RAOF> You could mount a case for that functionality to be merged, I guess.
[06:58] <defendguin> i'm not sure what title would fit both of those menu items
[07:01] <PurpleFool> anyone know where the Xen heads hang out?
[07:02] <Skrot-> Hi, can someone with gutsy check if /etc/fstab line for mounting root containts "noatime"?
[07:02] <PurpleFool> Not for me it doesn't
[07:02] <Skrot-> okay
[07:03] <stdin> mine does, but that's because I d
[07:03] <stdin> *added it
[07:03] <Skrot-> Do you know if it safe to add for feisty used on a notebook?
[07:03] <stdin> safe enough I guess
[07:04] <RAOF> Skrot-: It does if you add it, and you can do that in the alternate installer.
[07:04] <RAOF> Skrot-: If you have to ask, it's not yet safe enough :)
[07:04] <Skrot-> I'll give it a shot though =)
[07:05] <Skrot-> I was asking because of http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 by the way
[07:05] <PurpleFool> That's what a dev release is for, right?  Testing what makes things go b00m?
[07:05] <RAOF> PurpleFool: Indeed.
[07:11] <PurpleFool> Is there a good tutorial for kernel package building using the debian/ubuntu tools?
[07:11] <RAOF> PurpleFool: There was one on wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:11] <RAOF> PurpleFool: But I think the one I'm thinking of is obsolete now.
[07:12] <RAOF> Anyway, searching wiki.ubuntu.com (or help.ubuntu.com) is probably the way to go.
[07:12] <PurpleFool> I'll take a gander anyway.
[07:13] <PurpleFool> Right now I have a synaptic instance running that's spitting out lots of :
[07:13] <PurpleFool> Warning, failed to load: package-availableIcon 'package-available' not present in theme
[07:13] <PurpleFool> And not, obviously, displaying the icons in the panel.  Is it worth bugging that sort of dependency issue?
[07:14] <PurpleFool> I'm pretty sure it's a simple dependency
[07:17] <ameyer> now to see if I can semi-easily get gutsy to boot from a USB HD
[07:19] <defendguin> in gutsy which package do i need for totem using gst to be able to play a DVD  i can play a DVD from other apps but totem tells me to install the necessary plugins
[07:21] <mattyv> defendguin: do you want to play commercial dvds, or just non-drm ones?
[07:21] <defendguin> commercial
[07:21] <mattyv> gst won't be a go then, install totem xine
[07:22] <mattyv> or vlc/mplayer
[07:22] <defendguin> mattyv: gst was able to do it in the past
[07:23] <mattyv> I was trying recently, totem doesn't like it. If you want to try, install at libdvdread then run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[07:25] <RAOF> totem-gst has always done it for me
[07:25] <stdin> ameyer: is dvdcss illegal in the US, I thought that it was just theoretically illegal
[07:26] <ameyer> DMCA, unfortunately
[07:26] <RAOF> stdin: It is actively illegal to break copy-protection.
[07:26] <ameyer> they haven't shown much interest in prosecuting it though
[07:26] <RAOF> Not just to distribute, but also to use.
[07:27] <ameyer> y'know, the federal government is violating the DMCA?
[07:27] <ameyer> I downloaded acidrip from anl.gov :)
[07:27] <RAOF> stdin: Where do you live?
[07:28] <stdin> in the UK
[07:29] <stdin> the EU is much more restrictive on software patients (making them that is, not enforcing them)
[07:29] <defendguin> i guess i will just use elisa when i want to play a dvd
[07:30] <mattyv> Just trying right now, totem-gst + libdvdread3 + libdvdcss2...I get some sound, but still a msg about not having the appropriate plugins
[07:32] <defendguin> totem-gst worked in feisty
[07:35] <mattyv> Didn't the wiki suggest xine?
[07:36] <mattyv> Unless that's outdated
[07:37] <stdin> try vlc
[07:38] <mattyv> I've got mplayer on here from a month ago when I needed to play something, that works fine
[07:41] <mattyv> Ah, this is what I was thinking of with totem-gst from the wiki: "Note : While Totem-gstreamer can play a DVD automatically when it is inserted into the DVD drive, it cannot navigate the DVD nor play it by selecting Movie  Play Disc 'DVD Name'. "
[07:42] <defendguin> i remember it being able to navigate a dvd menu in feisty
[07:46] <ion> is it possible for ubuntu to be as compatible as windows
[07:46] <stdin> in what was in windows "compatible" that linux isn't ?
[07:48] <RAOF> ion: No.
[07:48] <Bubble> ion: I think you already know the answer.
[07:48] <ion> what i mean is, when will ubuntu "support it all"
[07:48] <ion> sorry
[07:48] <RAOF> ion: Never.
[07:48] <mattyv> When windows using proper standards
[07:48] <stdin> support what all?
[07:48] <mattyv> *uses
[07:49] <ion> support all hardware
[07:49] <RAOF> ion: Alternatively, when hell freezes over and all companies provide good linux drivers.
[07:49] <RAOF> ion: A similar question can be asked of Windows, of course :)
[07:49] <stdin> ion: ask the hardware vendors to make linux drivers as well as windows drivers
[07:49] <ion> it really pisses me off that windows can run shit and *nix cant run it all
[07:50] <RAOF> ion: Ubuntu supports much more hardware out of the box than windows.
[07:50] <stdin> it's not our fault that we have to reverse engineer hardware drivers
[07:50] <ion> cool
[07:50] <ion> im glade the *nix community is getting bigger
[07:50] <stdin> and, yes, windows out-of-the-box only supports the most generic things
[07:50] <ion> i hope it hits well with dell
[07:51] <stdin> No1Viking: connection issues?
[07:52] <No1Viking> stdin: Naah, me testing a script that I got working now. Am sorry for the logins.
[07:52] <corevette> which chmod lets everyone have permission to a folder and all it's directories
[07:53] <stdin> what? folder = directory
[07:53] <stdin> and probably "777" or  "a+rwx"
[07:53] <corevette> which chmod lets everyone have permission to those files and all directories inside
[07:54] <stdin> add -R to make it recursive
[07:54] <corevette> chmod 777 ?
[07:55] <corevette> stdin ^
[07:55] <ion> is there allot of people that handle the coding of ubuntu and bug fixes
[07:55] <stdin> corevette: for recursive "chmod -R 777 directory"
[07:56] <stdin> ion: yeah, a lot
[07:56] <RAOF> Note that chmodding your /home to 777 will break stuff.
[07:56] <ameyer> didn't windows 2000 have issues with out of the box nic compatibility?
[07:56] <stdin> will make things insecure too
[07:57] <ameyer> like I think it didn't support the realtek 8139 chipset that is/was extremely common?
[07:57] <RAOF> You almost never want to unconditially set the executable bit, anyway.  The +X option is cool for that: executable if it's a directory, or is executable for someone else.
[08:00] <corevette> how do you restart apache2
[08:00] <RAOF> sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart :)
[08:01] <corevette> what is hte command/
[08:01] <RAOF> ^^^^
[08:02] <corevette> RAOF: apache -k restart
[08:02] <corevette> RAOF: apache2 -k restart
[08:03] <RAOF> corevette: I suppose you could use that, too.  I always use the init.d scripts :)
[08:04] <stdin> "apache2ctl restart"
[08:36] <kousotu> [01:35]  <kousotu> anyone know where I ca get wi-fi radar for gutsy?
[08:37] <stdin> !info wifi-radar
[08:37] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 232 kB
[08:37] <stdin> kousotu: there ^
[08:38] <kousotu> ah kool
[08:38] <kousotu> um...
[08:38] <kousotu> I need dvd help
[08:38] <kousotu> it won't work.
[08:38] <stdin> !dvd
[08:38] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[08:38] <kousotu> did all that
[08:38] <stdin> see those links
[08:38] <kousotu> I did all that
[08:39] <stdin> then what do you mean "won't work"? does it not want to get a job or pay rent?
[08:39] <RAOF> stdin: That's a perfect opportunity for !doesntwork
[08:39] <RAOF> !doesntwork
[08:39] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[08:39] <kousotu> lol
[08:40] <kousotu> it won't read the dvds saying I'm mising plugins or something like that
[08:40] <kousotu> er...
[08:40] <kousotu> codecs
[08:40] <kousotu> I thin
[08:40] <kousotu> think*
[08:40] <stdin> what won't? what app?
[08:40] <kousotu> todem
[08:41] <kousotu> whaever gutst defaults to
[08:41] <kousotu> gutsy*
[08:41] <stdin> gutsy what? I don't know if you use ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu... you have to say
[08:41] <kousotu> ubuntu
[08:41] <kousotu> reg
[08:42] <stdin> have you tried installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package ?
[08:43] <kousotu> yes
[08:45] <stdin> have you got dvdcss2 ?
[08:46] <kousotu> yes
[08:46] <kousotu> I have 3 as well
[08:46] <kousotu> hey Hobbsee
[08:46] <stdin> then it "should" work
[08:46] <kousotu> stdin: but it doesn't
[08:47] <stdin> maybe try with another app, I don't use gnome so I don't know
[08:47] <stdin> kousotu: vlc should work well with dvds
[08:48] <Hobbsee> heya
[08:48] <kousotu> sudo aptget install vlc?
[08:49] <stdin> yep
[08:49] <stdin> well, apt-get but yeah
[08:50] <kousotu> typoed
[08:50] <kousotu> lol
[08:50] <kousotu> I am kindabusy atm
[08:50] <kousotu> lol
[08:51] <kousotu> how do I change text color on the desktop?
[08:54] <kousotu> no answer to that?
[08:57] <stdin> I don't know, I don't run gnome
[08:58] <kousotu> lol
[08:58] <kousotu> k
[08:58] <kousotu> it it posible/
[08:58] <crdlb> unless it's changed very recently, it's not possible
[08:59] <crdlb> nautilus uses white text with a black shadow to attempt to give contrast whatever the background
[09:03] <kousotu> crdlb: my test is black
[09:03] <Ayabara> I use ubuntu at work, and I'm aching to try out gutsy. is it "stable enough" to use on a daily basis?
[09:04] <RAOF> If you have to ask, the answer is no :)
[09:05] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: no.  that's why the /topic is in place
[09:05] <Hobbsee> then again, ooo may work now
[09:07] <Ayabara> RAOF, Hobbsee, ok. by stable enough, I meant that I'm prepared to have some crashes and problems :-)
[09:07] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: if you can do without an office suite at work, etc....
[09:07] <RAOF> It may still eat data, even data not managed by it.
[09:08] <RAOF> It probably won't, but it can.
[09:08] <Hobbsee> ah yes, i'm wondering why ooo was mangling my data
[09:08] <RAOF> No, that's just ooo :P
[09:08] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I use it as my 2nd os
[09:09] <kousotu> no crashes yet
[09:09] <kousotu> had it about 2 weks
[09:09] <Ayabara> sounds like maybe I should wait a couple of weeks :-)
[09:09] <Ayabara> thanks for scaring me ;-)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> kousotu: hm?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> Ayabara: well, it mostly works.  just, things do break, usually when you're requiring them to work
[09:09] <kousotu> "I'm aching to try out gutsy. is it "stable enough" to use on a daily basis?"
[09:10] <Hobbsee> murphy's law and all
[09:10] <Hobbsee> kousotu: ah yes, if it's the second OS, then you have something to fall back on
[09:10] <Hobbsee> which is usually OK
[09:10] <Hobbsee> but to run it as the sole one...
[09:10] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I mainly use WinXP
[09:10] <kousotu> but that's cause I ame on winXP
[09:11] <kousotu> so my XP patrion have 30+gb
[09:11] <kousotu> well, and I must add.. sound actually WORKS on XP
[09:11] <kousotu> lol
[09:17] <databuddy> hiiiiiiiiiiiiii Hobbsee :3
[09:17] <databuddy> kousotu: make it your third os then :>
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hey databuddy
[09:18] <databuddy> mm
[09:19] <databuddy> i noticed in my feisty install vs my gutsy install that in feisty i cant have the i810 and the intel xorg drivers in at the same time while in gutsy i can -
[09:19] <databuddy> kinda wierd :P
[09:32] <kousotu> databuddy: what are you talking about?
[09:35] <kousotu> I ned help making javawork on Firefox
[09:49] <rockets> Hey has tribe 4 been posted yet?
[09:50] <kousotu>  Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 3 Released!"
[09:50] <Hobbsee> rockets: no
[09:51] <kousotu> Hobbsee: ppl need to read the topic lol
[09:51] <Hobbsee> kousotu: true.  but they dont seem to like to do that
[09:51] <Hobbsee> rockets: you can always help with testing
[09:52] <rockets> kousotu, the topic is INSTANTANEOUSLY updated the moment its released? there couldnt be any delay?
[09:52] <rockets> theoretically i mean
[09:52] <kousotu> rockets: not likely
[09:52] <Hobbsee> rockets: yes.
[09:52] <Hobbsee> rockets: usually because i do it.
[09:52] <rockets> heh
[09:52] <kousotu> lol
[09:52] <Hobbsee> rockets: along with other topics
[09:52] <rockets> Hobbsee, so who are you, out of curiosity
[09:53] <Hobbsee> rockets: besides, there's different stages of releasing
[09:53] <Hobbsee> rockets: i'm a green alien.
[09:53] <rockets> to the ubuntu project i mean
[09:53] <rockets> Oh man, Gutsy comes out on my birthday!
[09:53] <Hobbsee> rockets: i'm one of the people on the release team, a core dev, a motu, involved in kubuntu development, universe packages, bugsquad from time to time, and bits and pieces of irc oping.
[09:53] <rockets> I'll have like . . . a double party.
[09:54] <rockets> Hobbsee, cool!
[09:54] <Hobbsee> how's that for an answer? :)
[09:54] <Amaranth> I work on bling?
[09:54] <kousotu> motu?
[09:54] <Amaranth> :P
[09:54] <coNP> Hobbsee: it is fine, but maybe it would be easier to list what you are *not* doing :)
[09:55] <Hobbsee> coNP: hah.  theres' still a heck of a lot of that
[09:55] <rockets> kousotu, masters of the universe
[09:55] <Hobbsee> !motu | kousotu
[09:55] <ubotu> kousotu: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[09:55] <kousotu> ah...
[09:55] <kousotu> coulda just said dev
[09:55] <kousotu> lol
[09:55] <RAOF> Amaranth: Seen !nouveau?
[09:56] <Amaranth> !nouveau
[09:56] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:56] <RAOF> Of course you have.  *Tested* nouveau? :)
[09:56] <Amaranth> No :P
[09:56] <rockets> Hobbsee, you might be a good person to ask this then. Will ubuntu accept ruby based software packages to main? I remember reading they prefer python
[09:57] <Hobbsee> rockets: yes.  ruby would have to be in main
[09:57] <Hobbsee> rockets: it's not a case of "we only accept python packages"
[09:57] <Hobbsee> so for writing new stuff, most people will write it in python
[09:57] <Hobbsee> but it's not a must
[09:57] <rockets> Hobbsee, i dont mean the ruby language itself
[09:57] <rockets> i mean other stuff written in ruby
[09:57] <Amaranth> RAOF: I see you chickened out and didn't go for the mesa update too :)
[09:58] <Hobbsee> rockets: indeed.  i'm saying "as long as the deps are in main, then sure"
[09:58] <RAOF> Amaranth: Not when you can locally build mesa
[09:58] <databuddy> ruby? @_@ got me confuzzled with someone lol
[09:58] <Amaranth> RAOF: not worth it for glxgears :)
[09:58] <RAOF> Amaranth: Also, not until nouveau does something more impressive than glxgears :)
[09:59] <Amaranth> RAOF: did you see intel does redirected glx now?
[09:59] <databuddy> earthquake!!!! socal rox
[09:59] <Amaranth> RAOF: I mean, you have to build from like 4 experimental branches to get it but still
[09:59] <RAOF> As in, GLX under compiz works right?
[09:59] <Amaranth> RAOF: right
[09:59] <RAOF> Man, it's all coming together :)
[10:00] <RAOF> I'll build the git drm drivers if you want to provide the rest :P
[10:00] <Amaranth> RAOF: http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html
[10:00] <rockets> Hobbsee, ah yeah cool
[10:00] <rockets> thanks
[10:00] <Amaranth> RAOF: intel apparently does textured video on i915 and higher too
[10:00] <Amaranth> RAOF: but only if you use exa
[10:00] <RAOF> EXA FTW!
[10:00] <Amaranth> and it's done that for ages
[10:00] <Amaranth> but since exa is still broken no one ever noticed
[10:01] <RAOF> Heh.
[10:02] <rockets> night all
[10:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF: want to do me a favour?
[10:03] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Depends on the favour :)
[10:04] <Hobbsee> RAOF: writing up the release notes for t4?  :)
[10:04] <RAOF> When are they due?
[10:05] <MenZa> Hmm, I've attempted to install nvidia-glx-new and linux-restricted-modules-generic (and -common), and X refuses to start. Complains about a missing "wfb" module, thus X refuses to start. What's weird, is if I try to modprobe nvidia, it gives me "FATAL: Error running install command for NVIDIA."
[10:05] <RAOF> MenZa: 8800 card?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: few hours.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4
[10:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: (watch #ubuntu-devel)
[10:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: as in, there's a list of stuff there, it just needs fleshing out
[10:06] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Uuum.  Maybe.
[10:07] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I'll check that out.
[10:07] <MenZa> Any replies to my query? I appear to have mistakenly parted the channel -_-
[10:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: cool, tahnks
[10:08] <RAOF> MenZa: 8800 card?
[10:08] <kousotu> Hobbsee: will http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=pidgin-libnotify work on gutsy?
[10:08] <MenZa> RAOF: 7950GT
[10:08] <Hobbsee> kousotu: that's already in gutsy.
[10:08] <MenZa> RAOF: It's worked in the past.
[10:08] <Hobbsee> kousotu: that version may, but i dont see the point of it
[10:08] <MenZa> (brb)
[10:08] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I didn't see it..
[10:09] <stdin> !info pidgin-libnotify
[10:09] <ubotu> pidgin-libnotify: display notification bubbles in pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 232 kB
[10:09] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:/storage/isos$ madison pidgin-libnotify
[10:09] <Hobbsee> pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages
[10:09] <kousotu> od..
[10:09] <Hobbsee> pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages
[10:09] <Hobbsee> pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Sources
[10:09] <Hobbsee> pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources
[10:09] <stdin> you spam-a-holic Hobbsee :p
[10:09] <kousotu> LogPointyStick? lol
[10:11] <Hobbsee> stdin: bite me :P
[10:11] <kousotu> lol
[10:11] <MenZa> Back.
[10:11] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Actually, I'll be doing something with jml this evening.  Can you find someone else?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yeah, OK.
[10:12] <RAOF> Hobbsee: The alternative is I try to look at it after I'm finished with jml, which is likely to be 10ish or so.
[10:12] <kousotu> Hobbsee: ty, didn't see it lasttim I looked
[10:12] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i expect that'll be too late.  no problem
[10:12] <databuddy> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/ci14312160.php
[10:12] <MenZa> I had a small issue last night, which appeared to remove pretty much all packages installed on my system.
[10:13] <stdin> that's more than the limit, Hobbsee should kick herself :p
[10:13] <MenZa> It was amusing.
[10:13] <kousotu> lol
[10:13] <MenZa> Especially since, being the idiot I am, I run Gutsy on my main system :D
[10:13] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I prefer to know when/where my friends are
[10:13] <MenZa> I did so with Dapper, too.
[10:13] <Hobbsee> MenZa: i do that too
[10:13] <MenZa> \o/
[10:13] <Hobbsee> kousotu: hm?
[10:14] <kousotu> [03:08]  <Hobbsee> kousotu: that version may, but i dont see the point of it
[10:14] <MenZa> I'm tempted to use the nv driver for now
[10:14] <kousotu> that's the pont of it lol
[10:14] <RAOF> !nouveau | MenZa
[10:14] <ubotu> MenZa: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[10:14] <RAOF> MenZa: Try that :P
[10:14] <RAOF> You're in #ubuntu+1, I can recommend stuff that may break :P
[10:15] <Hobbsee> kousotu: no, getdeb's stuff isnt from within the repository, so no idea how good it is, whether it kills other things, etc
[10:15] <MenZa> RAOF: I'll have a look at it
[10:15] <kousotu> ??
[10:15] <kousotu> I've always een a risk taker
[10:15] <kousotu> been*
[10:15] <kousotu> any upgrades to the alsa driver?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> kousotu: just dont file bugs on getdeb.net stuff, and dont file bugs about broken dependanices from tehm
[10:15] <kousotu> cause I really want my sound
[10:15] <kousotu> lol
[10:16] <Hobbsee> kousotu: else i'll hit them with the invalid stick
[10:16] <kousotu> ll
[10:16] <kousotu> lol*
[10:17] <stdin> kousotu: the version on getdeb is 0.13, the version in the repo is 0.13-0ubuntu1, what's the point of getting the getdeb version?
[10:17] <kousotu> idk..
[10:17] <kousotu> lol
[10:17] <RAOF> In fact, what's the point of getting from getdeb *at all*?
[10:17] <RAOF> :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> RAOF: more potential of crack.  must be better.
[10:17] <kousotu> RAOF: I'd expain, but you might not understand me lol
[10:17] <RAOF> I post plenty of crack to universe!
[10:18] <RAOF> Look at Xgl!  democracyplayer!
[10:18] <MenZa> Miro*
[10:18] <MenZa> :p
[10:19] <RAOF> Yeah, still waiting on the Debian maintainer for that.
[10:20] <kousotu> lol
[10:20] <kousotu> hey, how an I crack XP exes to run differently?
[10:21] <MenZa> Ooh, restart.
[10:21] <MenZa> brb.
[10:21] <MenZa> lmfao, coreutils weren't installed
[10:21] <MenZa> :D
[10:21] <kousotu> caue I'd much rather work on making my own cracks to run stuff than get one that don't work
[10:22] <RAOF> kousotu: Disassemble, then binary patch.
[10:22] <RAOF> kousotu: Also known as a PITA
[10:22] <kousotu> RAOF: sounds complicated lol
[10:22] <RAOF> Yes.  This is *why* open source ;)
[10:22] <kousotu> any upgrades to the alsa driver?
[10:23] <kousotu> RAOF: damn..
[10:23] <RAOF> No idea.  Check the alsa homepage?
[10:23] <kousotu> RAOF: I don't know it?
[10:23] <RAOF> Have you filed a bug?
[10:23] <kousotu> yes, of course
[10:23] <RAOF> Good :)
[10:23] <kousotu> also a regrssion bug for zd1211rw as well
[10:24] <RAOF> Guess what comes up first on a google search for "alsa"?  www.alsa-project.org :)
[10:24] <kousotu> stupid kernal update busted it
[10:25] <RAOF> also, bugtracker: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/my_view_page.php
[10:25] <RAOF> Those are your alsa friends.
[10:26] <kousotu> damn...
[10:26] <kousotu> oh wait..
[10:26] <kousotu> erg....
[10:27] <kousotu> Realtek isn't supported...
[10:32] <MenZa> Ugh, now metacity just isn't starting up -_-
[10:54] <Carroarmato0> Any one seen the project "Cheese"? :)
[10:55] <kousotu> I haven't, but I ain't been in the linux community that long
[10:56] <Carroarmato0> It's like a Photoboot-like program written for Gnome
[10:56] <Carroarmato0> Looks very promising! :)
[10:56] <Carroarmato0> But it reminds me of where linux currently is in the webcam field...
[10:57] <kousotu> lol
[10:58] <kousotu> WIndows hates my webcam
[10:58] <kousotu> so I doubt Linux will show it any love
[10:58] <Carroarmato0> For me it's the opposite
[10:58] <kousotu> lol
[10:59] <Carroarmato0> But I know that there is an opensource driver for it...
[10:59] <Carroarmato0> I think the problem is that there aren't really good webcam enable apps to use the webcam in the first place on linux :(
[11:00] <Carroarmato0> I mean... Pidgin doesn't make usage of webcams for instance...
[11:00] <kousotu> that msnclient looks ok
[11:01] <kousotu> and pidgin does
[11:01] <kousotu> I seen it
[11:01] <Carroarmato0> you mean amsn?
[11:02] <kousotu> no
[11:02] <kousotu> the other one
[11:02] <kousotu> lol
[11:02] <Carroarmato0> Yeah... but Pidgen doesn't have that support by default...
[11:02] <kousotu> ah..
[11:03] <Carroarmato0> And besides... there's no real centralized configuration app for webcams under Ubuntu... in the end you have to hack through it yourself
[11:04] <kousotu> lol
[11:05] <kousotu> I don't know of any for ANY distro
[11:05] <Carroarmato0> See that's the problem...
[11:06] <kousotu> lol
[11:06] <Carroarmato0> The only thing that comes close is the VOIP client Ekiga... the you can select the v4l system to handle the video output of webcams... but it's only limited to that app
[11:07] <Carroarmato0> ... and given that your webcam works with the driver..
[11:08] <kousotu> lol
[11:08] <kousotu> Pidgin has webcamsuport
[11:08] <Carroarmato0> So where do you enable it?
[11:09] <kousotu> um...
[11:09] <kousotu> never tried that
[11:09] <kousotu> lol
[11:09] <kousotu> I can check
[11:09] <Carroarmato0> Don't you have to like... compile it to make it work?
[11:10] <kousotu> nope
[11:10] <kousotu> not that I know of
[11:10] <Carroarmato0> But does it say so in the latest stable version or beta of Pidgen?
[11:10] <Carroarmato0> *Pidgin
[11:11] <kousotu> I have 2.1.0
[11:12] <Carroarmato0> I've tested the Pidgin that comes with the Tribe 3 of Gutsy and haven't noticed anything about webcams
[11:13] <kousotu> ok.. I'll find it..
[11:13] <Carroarmato0> Anyone know if we can expect the CFS scheguler in Ubuntu before Gutsy comes out?
[11:14] <Carroarmato0> it's still awhile before the kernel freeze...
[11:15] <stdin> CFS?
[11:16] <Carroarmato0> Completely Fair Scheguler
[11:16] <Hobbsee> *** anyone want to do some cd testing? ***
[11:16] <RAOF> Carroarmato0: My info is: No.  2.6.22 will be the final kernel, and no-one's going to backport a new, fairly untested scheduler
[11:16] <RAOF> Man, I don't think I *could* write a coherent set of release notes if I tried at this point.
[11:17] <stdin> Carroarmato0: if it's not going to be in .22, it's not going to be in gutsy
[11:17] <kousotu> Hobbsee: what kinda testing?
[11:17] <Carroarmato0> RAOF: thx fair enough... I'd prefere to have a pretty stable kernel anyway :)
[11:18] <Carroarmato0> stdin: thx
[11:18] <Hobbsee> kousotu: cd - tribe 4
[11:18] <Carroarmato0> Hobbsee: Tribe 4 is out?
[11:19] <kousotu> Hobbsee: install it?
[11:20] <snadge> you can always roll your own kernel anyway
[11:20] <snadge> i'd prefer something that was stable that worked for 99% of people, than something that was bleeding edge and potentially more buggy
[11:21] <kousotu> Hobbsee: you want me to dl and install T4?
[11:21] <Hobbsee> kousotu: from https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/All and comment on if they work
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Carroarmato0: no
[11:22] <kousotu> The server certificate failed the authenticity test (iso.qa.stgraber.org).
[11:22] <kousotu> um...
[11:22] <kousotu> can you direct me ot the right one?
[11:23] <kousotu> I have a celeron M
[11:23] <stdin> the i386
[11:25] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I hope this one is more sable n the install than T3
[11:25] <johannesNeu>  hi guys! can someone help me - got my kubuntu gutsy with kd4-development snapshot3 - want to develop for kde4 now ... don't now which directories & stuff i should use
[11:27] <kousotu> so I want : https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/619  right?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> kousotu: probably.  you want an i386, and you probably want the desktop cd
[11:29] <kousotu> yea, I ain't runni server
[11:29] <stdin> Ubuntu Desktop i386 (20070809) = 619 yes
[11:29] <kousotu> k
[11:29] <kousotu> I'm gonna just reinstall ubuntu on T4
[11:30] <kousotu> I havethe T3 cdif I need it
[11:30] <snadge> i will try the beta.. whatever thats going to be called
[11:30] <snadge> but i think i'll keep my feisty install for now ;)
[11:33] <kousotu> 1:14:** left
[11:33] <kousotu> long time..
[11:33] <kousotu> lol
[11:34] <kousotu> hobsee: you upload that?
[11:34] <kousotu> hobbsee: you upload that?*
[11:34] <Hobbsee> kousotu: uploaded which?
[11:35] <kousotu> any of the T4 isos
[11:36] <kousotu> cause rar or tar.gz would be TONS quicker..
[11:37] <kousotu> or zip. w/e
[11:37] <kousotu> ;p;
[11:37] <kousotu> lol*
[11:37] <kousotu> prefers*
[11:40] <Hobbsee> kousotu: what, the .iso's then compressed?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> they already *areI compressed
[11:42] <kousotu> ?
[11:42] <kousotu> no they aren't
[11:42] <kousotu> is is a 1:1 copy of a cd
[11:42] <Hobbsee> squashfs and all that are compression tools
[11:42] <Hobbsee> this is true
[11:42] <Hobbsee> but the data on the cd is already compressed
[11:42] <Hobbsee> kousotu: rsync is your friend, anyway
[11:42] <kousotu> ah...
[11:43] <kousotu> erg..
[11:44] <kousotu> what's est for mp3s?
[11:44] <kousotu> best*
[11:46] <stdin> an ogg encoder
[11:46] <kousotu> lol
[11:46] <stdin> or, mp32ogg
[11:46] <kousotu> sound sux on my laptop
[11:46] <stdin> both are good :)
[11:47] <kousotu> max val = min on xp
[11:47] <stdin> maybe it's because xp shouts
[11:47] <kousotu> lol
[11:48] <kousotu> alsa don't support mycar
[11:48] <kousotu> card*
[11:48] <stdin> doesn't support my car either :p
[11:48] <kousotu> lol
[11:48] <kousotu> typo oops?
[11:48] <kousotu> XP ain't that loud on my laptop
[11:48] <kousotu> lol
[11:49] <kousotu> hm..
[11:49] <stdin> I made sure to get a intel mobo, I have full 3d graphics with no binary drivers and good sound support
[11:49] <kousotu> Hobbsee: what gfx card you got?
[11:50] <Hobbsee> intel 965
[11:50] <kousotu> Intel 950
[11:50] <stdin> Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
[11:50] <kousotu> you have any install isues with t3?
[11:50] <kousotu> or 4 for that matter
[11:51] <stdin> I upgraded from feisty, so no
[11:51] <kousotu> wow I actually hav  newer card than someone :)
[11:51] <Hobbsee> issues aplenty, but not with video cards
[11:51] <stdin> kousotu: 14346 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2869.028 FPS :)
[11:51] <kousotu> lol
[11:52] <kousotu> Hobbsee: any install probs o you just upgrade?
[11:52] <afief> Where can I get the T4 CD?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> kousotu: it depends which partition you're talking about
[11:52] <Hobbsee> this runs kubuntu, it's fine
[11:52] <kousotu> ??
[11:52] <Hobbsee> afief: it's not out yet.
[11:52] <Hobbsee> kousotu: various bits of virtualbox, and another machine.  they have problems
[11:52] <kousotu> afief: I'm tsting the thing lol
[11:53] <kousotu> I had a bitch time with T3
[11:53] <stdin> hmm, I can't wait to update my feisty desktop, that's gone from dapper > edgy > feisty do far :S
[11:53] <Hobbsee> afief: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/All are candidates
[11:53] <Hobbsee> afief: they may kill your dog, eat your hard drive, etc
[11:53] <kousotu> lol
[11:54] <Hobbsee> kousotu: what with?
[11:54] <Hobbsee> kousotu: the compiz bug?
[11:54] <kousotu> it wound't run lcd like 5/6 of the time
[11:54] <Hobbsee> well, the orange screen not loading?
[11:54] <afief> Hobbsee: I don't mind, as long as it eats the VISTA installation on the hard drive
[11:54] <Hobbsee> heya jussi01!
[11:54] <Hobbsee> afief: hehe
[11:54] <kousotu> Hobbsee: I am ON the pc I'll be putting it on
[11:54] <kousotu> o*
[11:54] <kousotu> .
[11:54] <kousotu> on*
[11:55] <stdin> you didn't typo that time, but you still corrected youerself :p
[11:55] <kousotu> lol
[11:56] <kousotu> oh wait.. I wanted it caped
[11:56] <kousotu> lol
[11:56] <kousotu> caped*
[11:56] <stdin> time for a reboot, need a clean dmesg for a bug report...
[11:56] <jussi01> open office still doesnt work
[11:56] <Hobbsee> jussi01: install openoffice.org-gnome.
[11:57] <jussi01> Hobbsee: is that a temp work around or permanenent fix?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> jussi01: temp workaround
[11:58] <jussi01> ok, btw Hobbsee do you have an answer for my yesterdays question?
[11:58] <jussi01> my upgrade distribution does not work
[11:59] <Hobbsee> jussi01: yesterday is an illusion.
[11:59] <jussi01> it cant fetch the release annoncement
[11:59] <Hobbsee> there was another adept upload recently.  retry it'
[12:00] <jussi01> ok, will do :)
[12:01] <jussi01> brb, got to restart x
[12:03] <kousotu> but damn..gotta reconfugure epsxe...
[12:04] <kousotu> *is so moving it to XP
[12:04] <kousotu> wb jussi01
[12:04] <jussi01> hey Hobbsee is tribe 4 not out?
[12:05] <kousotu> it's in alpha
[12:05] <kousotu> I believe..
[12:05] <Hobbsee> jussi01: correct.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> jussi01: there are images for testing, though
[12:05] <kousotu> lol
[12:06] <kousotu> someone tell mycat not toscratch me
[12:06] <kousotu> lol
[12:07] <kousotu> so much for playing RE4 today..
[12:07] <kousotu> lol
[12:08] <jussi01> hmmm is there a kde equivalent to
[12:08] <jussi01> !info gmountiso
[12:08] <kousotu> Hobbsee: does Linux regulate the bandwidth of your actal ISP connectin like windows does?
[12:08] <jussi01> and the bot is dead....
[12:09] <kousotu> cheack in the other chan
[12:09] <ccooke> Hmm. What's the state of Gutsy at the moment? (is it, roughly, as stable as feisty/edgy/dapper were about two months from release?)
[12:09] <kousotu> ccooke: I haven't had any POSTinstall trouble
[12:09] <jussi01> ccooke: I dont know how they were, but its definately not stable yet
[12:10] <ccooke> I usually pick up the dev release about this time on my (very, very well backed up) work laptop
[12:10] <kousotu> ccooke: I am on tribe 3 right now, it's fine for me
[12:10] <jussi01> kde open office is broken
[12:10] <kousotu> jussi01: sux to be you?
[12:10] <ccooke> jussi01: is that "kde and open office are broken" or "Open office is broken on kde" ?
[12:11] <jussi01> Hobbsee: whats your opinion?
[12:11] <jussi01> ccooke: the latter
[12:11] <ccooke> ah. Fine, then. I stick with the default Ubuntu :-)
[12:11] <jussi01> :)
[12:11] <kousotu> there's yer bot
[12:11] <kousotu> lol
[12:11] <jussi01> yay, the bot is back
[12:12] <jussi01> !info gmountiso
[12:12] <kousotu> what's the diff between KDE and gnome?
[12:12] <jussi01> lots
[12:12] <ubotu> gmountiso: This is Gmountiso, a PyGTK GUI to mount your cd images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 12 kB, installed size 116 kB
[12:12] <jussi01> go look on google, way too much to say here
[12:12] <afief> kousotu: same as the diff between OSX and Linux. they are just different
[12:12] <ccooke> Are we expecting tribe4 today? It says so on the release schedule, but I'm not sure how well reality matches it
[12:12] <kousotu> the basic differences?
[12:13] <jussi01> ccooke: its alpha atm
[12:13] <ccooke> jussi01: tribe4 is?
[12:13] <jussi01> kde use qt, gnome uses gtk
[12:13] <jussi01> ccooke: yes
[12:13] <ccooke> hmm
[12:13] <jussi01> ccooke: they need people to test the cd's if you want
[12:14] <ccooke> that would be useful
[12:14] <jussi01> ccooke: jump into #ubuntu-iso if you want to help with that
[12:14] <ccooke> I keep two root partitions on my work laptop, and a seperate /home. Makes testing new distros very easy
[12:16] <Hobbsee> jussi01: what about the topic?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> kousotu: does windows do that?  no idea.
[12:16] <kousotu> what?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ccooke: ooo is broken in kde - install openoffice.org-gnome as a workaround.
[12:16] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I saw tribe 3 was out, and was thinking if tribe was out...
[12:16] <Cube-ness> how do i tell compiz-fusion to use the copy render path thingy? its really choppy for me without it
[12:16] <Hobbsee> ccooke: tribe 4 today, yes, probably
[12:16] <kousotu> Hobbsee: do what?
[12:16] <Hobbsee> kousotu: what you mentioned before
[12:17] <Hobbsee> there.
[12:17] <kousotu> which is?
[12:17] <jussi01> hehe, thanks :P
[12:17] <kousotu> was*
[12:17] <Hobbsee> [20:08]  <kousotu> Hobbsee: does Linux regulate the bandwidth of your actal ISP connectin like windows does?
[12:18] <kousotu> windows does
[12:18] <kousotu> I haven't seen linux hold itback
[12:18] <ameyer> wondershaper?
[12:19] <kousotu> I mean linux pumps out 12kbps where windows goes to like 90kbps on average
[12:19] <kousotu> 122*
[12:19] <ccooke> kousotu: that's usually due to differences in the TCP stack
[12:19] <kousotu> ?
[12:20] <kousotu> ccooke: XP rarely hits 100+
[12:20] <kousotu> Linus stays nearthat
[12:20] <Cube-ness> hmm.. ok, so when you tell gnome to use the desktop effects in the appearance app, where are the start options that get sent to compiz when its run? as in, is there a script somewhere that gets called that i can edit to mod the flags used?
[12:20] <ameyer> might also have something to do with application design
[12:21] <ccooke> kousotu: Could be dozens of reasons. Linux may just be more efficient, or may be returning the ACKs more promptly (which will be seen by the remote side as a signal to speed up)
[12:21] <kousotu> Hobbsee: can non-reggeds pm registered users?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> kousotu: not usually.  depends if the registered users have changed their settings to let them
[12:22] <ameyer> then again, ktorrent seeds faster than azureus mostly
[12:22] <kousotu> what mode is it?
[12:22] <ameyer> it's probably java-related stuff
[12:23] <kousotu> I know on other servers it's R
[12:23] <kousotu> but reg here is e
[12:23] <Hobbsee> kousotu: /msg nickserv help
[12:23] <kousotu> you don't know the etter?
[12:23] <kousotu> leter*
[12:23] <kousotu> DAMNIT!!
[12:23] <kousotu> leter*
[12:23] <kousotu> ..
[12:23] <kousotu> I give up
[12:23] <kousotu> ll
[12:23] <jussi01> lol
[12:24] <Hobbsee> kousotu: i used to.  i dont remember now, off the top of my head.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> kousotu: it's also on the freenode FAQ
[12:25] <kousotu> it;s diferent lol
[12:25] <kousotu> I'm set
[12:25] <kousotu> I hope.
[12:26] <jussi01> non registered users cant even pm, so whatever...
[12:31] <kousotu> es they can
[12:31] <kousotu> lol
[12:31] <jussi01> not here they cant, have you tried it?
[12:31] <kousotu> yes
[12:31] <kousotu> [05:24]  [Notice]  -NickServ- Toggled UnFiltered [ON] 
[12:31] <Hobbsee> jussi01: they can pm some users, if the registered users have it set
[12:31] <jussi01> on freenode it gives you a nice little message about because of spam you cant do that
[12:31] <jussi01> Hobbsee: oh
[12:36] <kousotu> Hobbsee: where you from?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> kousotu: sydney, australia
[12:37] <kousotu> ah..
[12:37] <kousotu> a halfday aheada me
[12:37] <kousotu> lol
[12:37] <kousotu> oh longer
[12:37] <kousotu> lol
[12:37] <kousotu> or*
[12:37] <jussi01> kousotu: go back to typing school :P
[12:38] <jussi01> !enter | kousotu
[12:38] <ubotu> kousotu: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[12:38] <jussi01> :P
[12:38] <kousotu> um..
[12:38] <kousotu> no
[12:38] <kousotu> I never wetnt ;)
[12:38] <jussi01> lol
[12:38] <kousotu> *went*
[12:46] <kousotu> jussi01: no one's active, what diference it make
[12:46] <kousotu> lol
[12:49] <ccooke> kousotu: no, it just *looks* like nobody's active because your enter-strewn comments take up far more vertical space than they should :-)
[12:49] <kousotu> lol
[12:53] <jussi01> Hobbsee: or any other aussies, is there _legal_ way to play dvd's on linux in australia?
[12:54] <kousotu> lol
[12:54] <kousotu> I donno if it's legal here to, but I no care
[12:54] <kousotu> lol
[12:54] <kousotu> Iown them after all
[12:54] <jussi01> kousotu: where is here?
[12:55] <kousotu> USA
[12:55] <jussi01> definately not legal there :P
[12:55] <kousotu> lol
[12:55] <kousotu> I woldn't fugured you wold know from my earlier comment
[12:55] <kousotu> [05:37]  <kousotu> a halfday aheada me
[12:56] <jussi01> kousotu: yeah, but that also could be europe, or south america, canada etc
[12:56] <kousotu> europe is not 13hrsbehind you
[12:57] <kousotu> lol
[12:57] <kousotu> mor like 6
[12:57] <kousotu> lol
[12:57] <jussi01> kousotu: Im in europe, and we are nine hours behind in winter, getting lose to a half day behind oz
[12:58] <jussi01> *close
[12:59] <kousotu> oh..
[12:59] <kousotu> ll
[12:59] <kousotu> yer 6 or o hrs ahear of me then
[12:59] <kousotu> lol
[01:00] <kousotu> I get  friend in the uk
[01:00] <kousotu> a*
[02:15] <craigbass1976> This channel is only for gutsy?
[02:15] <johnnybuoy> yep
[02:16] <craigbass1976> Balls.
[02:16] <johnnybuoy> < #ubuntu for feisty
[02:16] <craigbass1976> Are you folks the developers, or just here to help?
[02:17] <johnnybuoy> both usually
[02:17] <kousotu> lol
[02:17] <johnnybuoy> sometimes on or the other :-D
[02:17] <kousotu> of in my case...
[02:17] <johnnybuoy> one*
[02:17] <kousotu> here to be here
[02:17] <kousotu> lol
[02:18] <craigbass1976> Is gutsy networking like feisty?  It acts a lot like windows now with the little spinny icon and losing an ip when you disconnect the cable
[02:18] <johnnybuoy> ?
[02:19] <craigbass1976> In dapper and edgy, I could get an address, unplug the cat5 cable, and still have an ip.  Now I can't.  It acts like windows, and I wonder if things are going to stay this way in future Ubuntus
[02:20] <kousotu> craigbass1976: that's a bad analogy
[02:21] <johnnybuoy> lol
[02:21] <johnnybuoy> that's how it should work for laptops/desktops
[02:22] <johnnybuoy> why would you want an IP is you aren't connected to any network?
[02:23] <kousotu> lol
[02:24] <johnnybuoy> craigbass1976, ^ ?
[02:24] <craigbass1976> Well, and tel me if what I'm asking is inappropriate for this room, what if I've got a nfs share mounted up.  If I need to move (I have cat5 jacks in all the rooms here) don't I have to remount that when the network restarts?
[02:25] <kousotu> um.
[02:25] <kousotu> no
[02:25] <johnnybuoy> if you get the same IP then no
[02:25] <johnnybuoy> that depends on your dhcp server (if you have one)
[02:26] <craigbass1976> My dhcp server (cent box) gives out the same ip every time.  This is probably trivial and I'm just having trouble with change.  :)
[02:27] <homophobphob> :-)
[02:27] <craigbass1976> har har
[02:27] <Trewas> craigbass1976: you can still use the old ways to configure the network instead of networkmanager (which is what causes the ip to be dropped when cable is removed)
[02:28] <craigbass1976> Is there a link on how to do that, or so you mean just set up a static ip with ifconfig?
[02:28] <homophobphob> yes
[02:28] <homophobphob> or in gnome
[02:28] <craigbass1976> ok
[02:28] <homophobphob> which does the same
[02:29] <homophobphob> craigbass1976, just right-click on the network icon
[02:29] <homophobphob> and -> manual network configuration
[02:30] <homophobphob> oh, left click, sry
[02:30] <vbanait> i am having problem with etehrnet card . Will anybody help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33132/
[02:31] <craigbass1976> vbanait, I was going to look into it when I saw your post in #ubuntu but wanted to finish up in here
[02:31] <craigbass1976> vbanait, you using gutsy?
[02:32] <homophobphob> vbanait, you should paste an output of lspci at least...
[02:33] <Hobbsee> vbanait: just a warning - if you paste your question multiple times in succession again, i'm going to kickban you into next year, okay?
[02:33] <johnnybuoy> heh
[02:34] <vbanait> ok
[02:34] <vbanait> but help me
[02:34] <vbanait> i m using 7.04
[02:34] <johnnybuoy> then > #ubuntu !!!
[02:34] <Ayabara> hey. where can I find info on how to dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[02:34] <craigbass1976> vbanait, you might try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=461330&page=5&highlight=romihim+RTL8139
[02:35] <craigbass1976> johnnybuoy, hey thanks btw.  Look like I'll just have to deal with the new setup.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> vbanait: then this is not the right channel.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> vbanait: no one here is *using* feisty.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> !upgrade | Ayabara
[02:36] <ubotu> Ayabara: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:37] <Ayabara> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:15] <ccooke> Hmm
[03:15] <ccooke> Gutsy is running okay so far...
[03:15] <ccooke> There seem to be loads of keyboard shortcuts that are no longer available
[03:22] <ccooke> Wait... in Gutsy, with desktop effects, how do you get more than two desktops?
[03:28] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Where do I check for known bugs in gutsy again? I can't open openoffice and get no error messages.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> |Lunar_Lamp|: that's known
[03:28] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[03:28] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:28] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Ok, known fix?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> install openoffice.org-gnome
[03:29] <Hobbsee> is the workaround
[03:29] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hmm, even if I'm running kubuntu?
[03:32] <coNP> Yes. You have to decide which is worse having Gnome components or having Openoffice.org on your computer :)
[03:33] <pvandewyngaerde> if you are on kubuntu, try Koffice :-)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> |Lunar_Lamp|: yes
[03:52] <compwiz18> I've got a problem with upgrading: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/bsdutils_1% 3a2.12r-19ubuntu3_i386.deb: unable to open files list file for package `libgnomevfs2-common'
[03:53] <compwiz18> I just did a standard Reload - Mark All Updates - Apply -> Error :(
[03:55] <yem1> hi, just a quick question, what kernel version is in tribe 4?
[04:05] <compwiz18> I shall download Tribe 4 and reinstall.
[04:05] <compwiz18> maybe that'll fix my problems.
[04:08] <yem1> sorry for asking again, just a quick question, what kernel version is in tribe 4?
[04:14] <MenZa> whee, Hobbsee
[04:14] <MenZa> Hobbsee: dist-upgrade, no?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> MenZa: if you like
[04:14] <MenZa> Hobbsee: Well, that is what would get the latest packages, e.g. Tribe 4, correct?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> MenZa: true
[04:15] <MenZa> hmm
[04:15] <MenZa> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:15] <MenZa> how peculiar o_o
[04:15] <MenZa> (and yes, I did update)
[04:16] <MenZa> oh for crying out loud
[04:16] <ccooke> MenZa: ?
[04:16] <MenZa> Pidgin segfaults, Evolution segfaults
[04:16] <MenZa> Fun :D
[04:38] <aaronm> does tribe 4 have the same issue that tribe 3 had with the live cd freezing?
[04:47] <Carroarmato0>  I'm testing Tribe 4 and found what looks like a bug, in the Network Settings it doesn't let me enable the automatic service discovery (avahi), Is this normal for the live-cd or not?
[04:54] <ccooke> Hmm.
[04:54] <ccooke> No mp3 codecs in Gutsy?
[04:54] <ccooke> the codec finder isn't finding anything
[04:54] <Carroarmato0> ccooke, gonna check it out...
[04:55] <ccooke> Ah!
[04:55] <ccooke> I have it
[04:56] <Carroarmato0> ccooke, did you do something special?
[04:56] <ccooke> The Add/Remove application's setting for which packages to display was blank (nothing selected)
[04:56] <ccooke> This is after a new install
[04:57] <ccooke> when I started it, then changed the Show setting, codecs are found
[04:57] <ccooke> So, two errors here:
[04:57] <ccooke> 1) On a new install, the Show selection can be blank (thus, nothing will be found)
[04:58] <Carroarmato0> Conferming this... even on the Live-cd I get this
[04:58] <ccooke> 2) When this happens, the codec search app will suggest changing that setting, but neither give you access to it nor tell you where it is.
[05:00] <ccooke> does anyone know what package the codec finder is in?
[05:00] <Carroarmato0> yeah, let me check...
[05:01] <Carroarmato0> should be gnome-codec-install
[05:01] <ccooke> no such package in gutsy
[05:01] <Carroarmato0> ?
[05:01] <Carroarmato0> it's listed in my terminal...
[05:01] <ccooke> right, it's in gnome-app-install
[05:01] <ccooke> Carroarmato0: I asked package, not file.
[05:02] <ccooke> Carroarmato0: it's okay, once I realised you meant that was the binary it was fine :-)
[05:02] <Carroarmato0> ^^
[05:07] <Carroarmato0> ccooke, are you able to enable "Automatic Service Discovery" in "Network Settings"?
[05:07] <ccooke> What "Network Settings"?
[05:08] <Carroarmato0> If you got "System-->Administration-->Network" you should find it
[05:09] <Carroarmato0> Then when you are in "Network Settings" you go to the "General" tab, and below is the service discovery...
[05:10] <ccooke> Carroarmato0: I thought that's what you meant, but it doesn't have "Network Settings" in the menu
[05:10] <Carroarmato0> ?
[05:10] <ccooke> Carroarmato0: And no, it's greyed out
[05:11] <Carroarmato0> Hmm could this be a bug?
[05:11] <ccooke> In the menu, it's System -> Administration -> Network
[05:11] <ccooke> Probably not.
[05:11] <ccooke> Network Manager is the default tool for setting up new systems now, and it enables avahi itself
[05:11] <ccooke> I'll bet if you make a static config, you'll be able to set the option
[05:12] <Carroarmato0> ... so you don't have to enable it then in the network configuration....?
[05:12] <Carroarmato0> Kinda confusing... and confusion isn't good, specially if you're a newbie!
[05:13] <ccooke> System -> Administration -> Network is for manual configuration only, so it shouldn't be set there
[05:14] <Carroarmato0> So... what should I have to do if I'd say I wanted avahi to be disabled?
[05:14] <ccooke> However, it seems I was wrong about it becoming workable if you have a non-roaming interface
[05:15] <Carroarmato0> If I go to configure network manager it sends me to the manual network configuration screen...
[05:15] <ccooke> so... it probably is a bug
[05:15] <Carroarmato0> yup guess so
[05:15] <Carroarmato0> *going to launchpad
[05:19] <ccooke> ah, well. Thankfully someone already spotted my bug
[05:20] <ccooke> So... does anyone know how much of the xorg hotplug stuff has gone into Gutsy so far?
[05:20] <Carroarmato0> Although there are still some buggies around... Gutsy is coming out nicely! :-)
[05:27] <johnnybuoy> so in the kubuntu tribe4 there is kde4?
[05:28] <pvandewyngaerde> nope, only beta 1 packages
[05:29] <pvandewyngaerde> can be downloaded
[05:29] <pvandewyngaerde> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.manifest
[05:29] <Tm_T> johnnybuoy: KDE4 won't be ready too soon, not until, err, early winter
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> ouch
[05:30] <pvandewyngaerde> 23 oktober is targetted release date for kde 4.0
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> yeah, i know they want to make plasma
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> which would make me switch
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> plasma rocks
[05:30] <johnnybuoy> is there any plasma in beta1?
[05:31] <johnnybuoy> (is it worth it for me to install tribe4 just to check plasma?
[05:31] <Tm_T> nope
[05:32] <johnnybuoy> kk
[05:33] <johnnybuoy> thx
[05:33] <johnnybuoy> really, plasma rocks, I can hardly wait to get rid of my bloated panel :-)
[05:35] <Tm_T> my panel isn't bloated <3
[05:39] <tatters> forgive my ignorence but is gutsy compatable with debian sid packages?
[05:39] <Carroarmato0> I don't know... I quit using KDE since it has became this cockpit full of options... I'm eager to check KDE 4 out... but I'm pretty sure I'll stick to gnome
[05:39] <Tm_T> Carroarmato0: well, reason why I use KDE is that I do have options
[05:40] <Tm_T> Carroarmato0: if I don't like something, I can hide it, close it, or move it, or better, change it
[05:40] <Tm_T> in GNOME, well, atleast I get panic attack
[05:41] <Carroarmato0> Tm_T, I haven't go anything against KDE... Hell I think it's a freaking demonstration of German superior coding! :)   But I'm happy that everyone gets to chose how to manage their desktop.
[05:41] <Tm_T> Carroarmato0: yes
[05:42] <Tm_T> Carroarmato0: I still suggest GNOME for many people, but it's not for me (:
[05:43] <Carroarmato0> Sure, I'd normally suggest Gnome for newbies first, and maybe introduce them to KDE later once they get used to Gnome... But I've installed Mandriva on a kids laptop and he was so inlove with all the options that KDE has. :)
[05:43] <Carroarmato0> So in the end it's personal taste
[05:44] <Tm_T> yup
[05:44] <Carroarmato0> There are some thing that Gnome can do better
[05:44] <Tm_T> always is
[05:45] <Carroarmato0> Like totem for instance.... I think it really sucks in many ways... And I'm actually quite surprized how much Kplayer sucks too! I mean it's KDE! Why the hell isn't their mediaplayer full of bling?
[05:46] <Tm_T> well, Kplayer is not KDE thing really
[05:46] <Tm_T> it's for KDE, it's not from KDE
[05:47] <Carroarmato0> How come the Kde team haven't come up with their own thing?
[05:47] <Tm_T> I use KMplayer
[05:47] <Tm_T> err, you mean Kaffeine?
[05:47] <Tm_T> and then there's Amarok
[05:49] <Carroarmato0> No, I think I was refering to KMplayer... but I think the interface could be worked on a little more...
[05:49] <Tm_T> nah
[05:49] <Tm_T> KMplayer is just good
[05:50] <Carroarmato0> In the end what are useres going to care about? That it can use many different backends like xine, mplayer, etc... or if it works and looks good?
[05:50] <Carroarmato0> *users
[05:50] <Tm_T> Carroarmato0: I care backends & it works
[05:50] <Tm_T> without a fuss
[05:51] <Tm_T> but then again, I'm not "normal user" people keep referring to
[05:52] <Carroarmato0> Sure, that's perfect for you... but I feel like the default interface could be more
[05:52] <Carroarmato0> be  more *sexy*
[05:52] <Tm_T> Carroarmato0: then there's Kaffeine
[05:52] <Tm_T> nah
[05:52] <Carroarmato0> well ofcourse that depends on personal taste... but, this is just me :)
[05:53] <Carroarmato0> Ho! found new bug! w00t!
[05:55] <Ryuzaki23> Hi, I'm in Ubunt Gutsy Instable and i've a problem with OpenOffice. It cannot be launched (i've only the starting splash).
[05:55] <Ryuzaki23> Can you help me ?
[05:55] <Ryuzaki23> It's a bug ?
[05:56] <Carroarmato0> Ryuzaki23, yes it's a bug and they are already taking care of it
[05:56] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, ok, i see
[05:57] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, but, the update of today doesn't correcting the bug ?
[05:57] <Carroarmato0> Ryuzaki23, thx for reporting anyway :)
[05:57] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, ok ;)
[05:57] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, and DVD-RW ?
[05:57] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, After launching HAL, i've a problem with my DVD-RW
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> in /var/log/messages :
[05:58] <Carroarmato0> Ryuzaki23, you can't write them?
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353006]  hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353012]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353016]  hdc: drive not ready for command
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353072]  hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353078]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353082]  hdc: drive not ready for command
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353123]  hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353129]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> [846162.353133]  hdc: drive not ready for command
[05:58] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, the drive is not ready
[05:58] <Carroarmato0> hmm, don't know... you should check on launchpad
[05:59] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, the bug is already reported, since a long time
[05:59] <Ryuzaki23> Carroarmato0, but nobody help me for the moment
[06:00] <Carroarmato0> Guess we'll have to give it some time more... might be difficult to fix... or not a big priority.
[06:20] <jiphex> Yo, is the dual monitor config tool working yet in tribe-4?
[06:21] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: don't think so... haven't see it
[06:21] <jiphex> ko
[06:21] <jiphex> ok*
[06:21] <ccooke> jiphex: I was wondering that, also
[06:21] <jiphex> so it'd be BigDesktop or MergedFB then i guess?
[06:21] <ccooke> is it packaged yet?
[06:22] <jiphex> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/displayconfig-gtk ?
[06:22] <ccooke> there's little information there about the state of it, though
[06:23] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: nope... no displayconfig-gtk in it
[06:23] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: ha!
[06:23] <jiphex> ok
[06:23] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: but you can install it! ^
[06:23] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: ^^
[06:23] <jiphex> awesome
[06:24] <jiphex> i'll give it a go in a sec
[06:24] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: it's available in Synaptic
[06:25] <ccooke> hmm
[06:30] <jiphex> hmm, well it installed, and launched and I've configured the second monitor with it
[06:30] <jiphex> but now i have two blank screens
[06:30] <jiphex> i'll try a reboot
[06:32] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: well it's a good start :)   It looks pretty good though.... now if it only would work for you that would be great!
[06:32] <jiphex> heh yeah
[06:33] <jiphex> i installed the restricted ATI driver beforehand with the restricted driver manager, not sure if I should have
[06:33] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: Argh! The Hell with ATI!
[06:33] <jiphex> heh
[06:34] <jiphex> well, back to two blank screens after the reboot
[06:34] <jiphex> ...and now I can't seem to get into the virtual terminals either
[06:34] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: Superior ATI product....
[06:35] <jiphex> failsafe boot time i believe
[06:43] <jiphex> wow, it actually works :-D I changed the driver to 'ati' from 'fglrx' and now it's working
[06:44] <jiphex> well, almost anyway. The desktop on monitor 1 seems to now be bigger than the screen, so it scrolls when the mouse reaches the edges
[06:49] <ccooke> Hmm
[06:49] <ccooke> It doesn't work on nvidia
[06:49] <ccooke> got the resolutions *completely* wrong
[06:51] <ccooke> (select "LCD panel 1920x1200" and there's no 1920x1200 resolution!)
[06:52] <ccooke> also, the desktop crashes when I log in
[06:52] <ccooke> so, reverted that one.
[06:52] <Carroarmato0> ccooke, doesn't nvidia have their own configuration app?
[06:53] <ccooke> Carroarmato0: it completely rewrites xorg.conf. It works, but last resort only.
[06:53] <Carroarmato0> ccooke: I heard the trick can be done with "twinview" or something like that
[06:53] <ccooke> What I want is two seperate screens, running compiz.
[06:54] <Carroarmato0> Anyone got any love from Tracker? Cuz it won't find anything else but executables with me... filing it as a bg anyway
[06:59] <jiphex> it worked for me, found a text file I just created on the desktop
[06:59] <jiphex> unfortunately Gnome is still bigger than my monitor
[07:03] <jussi01> jiphex: have you installed the correct video drivers?
[07:04] <jiphex> i'm using 'ati' because 'fglrx' broke and left me with two blank screens
[07:04] <Carroarmato0> jussi01: have you changed anything special to Tracker?
[07:04] <jussi01> Carroarmato0: ?
[07:05] <Carroarmato0> jussi01: have to changed the configurations of Tracker?
[07:05] <jussi01> Carroarmato0: no, i have no idea what tracker is...
[07:06] <jussi01> !info tracker
[07:06] <ubotu> tracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 265 kB, installed size 1516 kB
[07:06] <Carroarmato0> jussi01: jup that's the little heart breaker -.-
[07:07] <Carroarmato0> jussi01: I tried making a text file like you and search for it... but no luck
[07:07] <jiphex> it was me, not jussi
[07:08] <Carroarmato0> jussi01: Oops... sorry, confused you with someone else... ^^'
[07:08] <jiphex> Carroarmato0: and I haven't changed any settings, no
[07:08] <jussi01> lol
[07:08] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: ^^'
[07:09] <jiphex> Carroarmato0: I don't know what's wrong with yours then, all I did was create a new file ont eh desktop. Now it finds it by filename and contents pretty much instantly
[07:10] <Carroarmato0> jiphex: I still have no luck at all! To me it seems it's doing a better job at finding executables than anything else...
[07:10] <jussi01> jiphex: the ati driver is your problem. whats your card?
[07:10] <jiphex> jussi01: 9800pro, I'm trying it with the fglrx driver atm
[07:12] <jussi01> jiphex: sure, thats what will fix it for you
[07:12] <jiphex> jussi01: we'll see, booting now
[07:12] <jiphex> gah, fsck takes so long at every boot.
[07:13] <jiphex> i'll bootchart it in a mo
[07:14] <jiphex> jussi01: nope, booted to two blank screens
[07:15] <jiphex> jussi01: fglrx works fine with a single screen, whereas ati works with two screens but with gnome bigger than the monitor with the scrolling
[07:15] <jussi01> hmmm
[07:16] <jiphex> jussi01: also, when i boot with fglrx I can't do anything while the screens are blank, can't access VTs or whatever
[07:16] <jiphex> all i can do is reboot with ctrl-alt-del
[07:16] <jussi01> !dualhead
[07:16] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[07:17] <jussi01> !xinerama
[07:17] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[07:17] <jussi01> maybe there is something in there
[07:17] <jiphex> they used the radeon driver
[07:17] <jiphex> can try that
[07:18] <Instabin|work> yea Tribe 4!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:18] <jiphex> !radeon
[07:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:20] <Instabin|work> Any one here with an HP DV6500
[07:20] <Instabin|work> I cant get ubuntu working on it
[07:27] <jiphex> jussi01: "radeon" as a driver had the same result as "ati"
[07:27] <jiphex> jussi01: fglrx is still leaving me with blank screens
[07:29] <Instabin|work> Does any one know if the nv driver will be updated to support the Geforce 8400M
[07:32] <jiphex> jussi01: aha,  fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[07:33] <Instabin|work> jiphex: what does lspci say
[07:33] <Instabin|work> jiphex: what does lspci -v say
[07:33] <jiphex> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33156/
[07:34] <jiphex> jussi01: lspci output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33157/
[07:35] <Instabin|work> jiphex: try PCI:1:0:0
[07:36] <jiphex> where?
[07:36] <jiphex> ah I see
[07:37] <Instabin|work> jiphex: Should be in xorg.conf
[07:38] <jiphex> what's the opposite of startx
[07:38] <jiphex> or, is there a command to kill all running or crashed instances of X
[07:40] <Instabin|work> jiphex: http://portal.dfpug.de/dFPUG/Dokumente/Partner/Linuxtransfer/killx.pdf
[07:45] <jiphex> thanks
[07:48] <Instabin|work> jiphex: did that work out chaing the pci
[07:48] <Instabin|work> changing
[07:48] <jiphex> well, I changed it, and now it's throwing the same error
[07:48] <jiphex> (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
[07:48] <jiphex> even though 1:0:1 isn't in xorg.conf
[07:48] <Instabin|work> lol
[07:49] <jiphex> i can put the whole xorg.conf in pastebin
[07:49] <Instabin|work> jiphex your card is agp right
[07:50] <jiphex> yeah
[07:51] <variant> just booted gutsy live cd in virtual machine, seems to get past "starting gdm OK" and then i get an orange screen and a (movable) mouse pointer.. nothing else
[07:51] <variant> although i can switch vt
[07:51] <Instabin|work> im still waiting for tribe 4 to download....
[07:55] <variant> Instabin|work: bah, i dl'd tribe 3 yesterday! didn't realise tribe 4 was out..
[07:55] <variant> at least it will only take about 10 minuits to dl
[07:55] <variant> :P
[07:56] <hylje> incremental upgrades, heh
[07:58] <jiphex> I don't understand where fglrx is getting this bus ID of 1:0:1from :(
[08:11] <Instabin|work> jiphex: not quite sure maybe its right try loading x with the vesa driver
[10:36] <jussi01> Tm_T: remind me how to make grub not show the menu, just do a quick countdown and go with the default?
[10:37] <Tm_T> jussi01: it's all in the /boot/grub/menu.lst or some
[10:39] <jussi01> k. I hate it when I cant remember...
[10:52] <pwnguin> do i need to put a bounty on removing the keyring crap from networkManager?
[10:52] <pwnguin> because zomg
[10:53] <pwnguin> campus wifi has one campus wide WEP key
[10:53] <pwnguin> i care not to secure it
[11:02] <jussi01> pwnguin: use kde
[11:02] <jussi01> or install libpam-keyring
[11:02] <pwnguin> well theres a valid help
[11:03] <pwnguin> actually, that second part might be
[11:03] <humbolt> I am not able to upgrade from feisty to gutsy with update-manager -d.
[11:04] <humbolt> I have to state, that I did change the sources by hand once to try with dist-upgrade, which failed due to libc6 upgrade failing.
[11:05] <humbolt> now I am wondering if some config file that was changed, makes update-manager think, it is already a gutsy system.
[11:08] <jussi01> !info libpam-keyring | pwnguin
[11:08] <ubotu> pwnguin: libpam-keyring: PAM module that unlock gnome keyring. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.8-6 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB
[11:10] <humbolt> did any of you upgrade with update-manager
[11:11] <jussi01> humbolt: not me
[11:11] <humbolt> jussi01: clean install?
[11:11] <jussi01> yep
[11:11] <humbolt> I never get past libc6 upgrade.
[11:14] <humbolt> Tribe 4 wiki page recommends to upgrade from feisty with "update-manager -d". When I use that, I don't even get the release upgrade dialog.
[11:17] <jussi01> hmmm, I remember someone else needing another flag, but i cant remember which one, maybe c...
[11:17] <humbolt> did work some time, but not this time.
[11:18] <humbolt> and still libc6 upgrade fails when I do this by hand
[11:18] <humbolt> even with sudo dpkg -i --force-all
[11:18] <humbolt> A non-dpkg owned copy of the C library was found in /lib/tls.
[11:19] <pwnguin> hmm
[11:19] <pwnguin> humbolt: did you by chance use easyubuntu?
[11:20] <pwnguin> or install from source?
[11:20] <humbolt> no
[11:21] <pwnguin> what that means is that there's a file in /lib/tls that dpkg knows is there, but doesnt know WHY
[11:21] <pwnguin> and since it doesnt know why, it wont replace it for fear of breaking something else
[11:22] <humbolt> this is due to the fact the in order to upgrade, apt has to remove the old version from its DB but unlike with other packages, it can't remove the files, because this would break the system.
[11:22] <pwnguin> its possible that a) a broken package forgot to register this file b) another program installed that library there, or c) a problem with apt's DB
[11:22] <pwnguin> or d) what you just mentioned
[11:22] <humbolt> so, what to do?
[11:22] <pwnguin> report the bug in launchpad
[11:23] <humbolt> especially dpkg -i --force-all does not work
[11:23] <pwnguin> that'll get the appropriate people's attention
[11:24] <albert23> Did anybody here install Gutsy alternate CD on Intel graphics?
[11:25] <albert23> My display goes weird during install, both in tribe 3 and in tribe 4
[11:26] <jussi01> albert23: my tribe 2 was fine
[11:27] <albert23> jussi01: what type of Intel graphics do you have? I have GM965
[11:27] <jussi01> min is just a standard 915
[11:28] <albert23> I have seen a few bugs already for 945, 950 and 965. Wondering if anyone found a trick to get the display right again
[11:29] <albert23> btw, I did complete the installs blindly, just pressing enter a few times, and now it runs fine
[11:30] <pwnguin> albert23: are you the envy maintainer?
[11:30] <humbolt> ok, destroyed my system again, by force installing libc6-i686 without prior getting libc6 installed properly.
[11:31] <albert23> pwnguin: sorry, no
[11:31] <pwnguin> albert23: no problem
[11:31] <humbolt> now any new app started produces a segfault
[11:32] <pwnguin> humbolt: that would be the normal result of --forcing things
[11:32] <pwnguin> espectially surrounding libc
[11:33] <pwnguin> hopefully you've got backups and are experimenting with how to break/fix it
[11:33] <humbolt> I know. I produced this several times. Will rsync with my old feisty installation.
[11:34] <jussi01> pwnguin: he goes by tseliot I think. https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone
[11:34] <pwnguin> jussi01: thanks
[11:35] <jussi01> :)
[11:35] <pwnguin> its not pressing that i get in touch with him, but we did just run into a guy with problems with the nvidia driver he installed via envy
[11:37] <tale_> why do the fonts look worse in gutsy than in feisty?
[11:38] <tale_> I can't find the font applet in gutsy to change the fonts either
[11:38] <hylje> i'm guessign different freetype settings
[11:38] <tale_> also, why are we including xterm and uxterm in addition to gnome-terminal?
[11:39] <albert23> tale_ font settings are in appearance now
[11:39] <tale_> ah
[11:39] <jussi01> pwnguin: that is lots of people
[11:40] <pwnguin> who is?
[11:41] <jussi01> getting there drivers broken by envy
[11:41] <jussi01> !envy
[11:41] <jussi01> gah, where is the bot
[11:41] <albert23> ubotu left the room
[11:41] <pwnguin> jussi01: its not clear that it's envy's fault, they had the same problem without envy
[11:42] <tale_> has anyone else noticed that during the desktop install, that if you leave your cursor over the next button, that when it becomes enabled again, that you have to move off the button and then back on before it will process the click action?
[11:42] <jussi01> pwnguin: oh ok then
[11:42] <voidmage> Anyone else unable to use ttys?
[11:43] <albert23> voidmage: black screens? That's what I get
[11:43] <voidmage> what graphics card do you have?
[11:44] <albert23> voidmage; Intel, GM965
[11:44] <voidmage> hmm
[11:44] <jussi01> voidmage: mine work
[11:44] <jussi01> ati gfx
[11:44] <voidmage> i have nvidia 8600
[11:44] <jussi01> !envy
[11:44] <voidmage> also, what needs to be done to get a newer version of nvidia-glx in the repos?
[11:44] <albert23> actually, the tty's work fine, I can login. Just the screen is black
[11:44] <voidmage> specifically, one that supports the 8 series cards?
[11:44] <voidmage> hmm
[11:45] <voidmage> i'm not sure if i can login
[11:45] <voidmage> yeah, i can login too
[11:45] <voidmage> but black screens
[11:46] <voidmage> do you use compiz?
[11:46] <albert23> yes, but not always. It still has a lot of problems for me.
[11:47] <voidmage> the issue with that might be compiz
[11:47] <voidmage> i haven't tried killing that and going to a tty
[11:47] <voidmage> but it's weird, because my feisty laptop uses compiz and it works fine
[11:48] <albert23> I have been trying things in tribe 3 before. If I removed the standard options from the boot line and added vga=0 the tty's worked
[11:48] <voidmage> could it be vga modes?
[11:49] <pwnguin> http://www.ossgeeks.co.uk/?p=120
[11:49] <albert23> I think so. Some people mentioned vga=791 or 792 would work
[11:49] <pwnguin> any chance that customization can hit gutsy?
[11:49] <voidmage> i'm using vga=795 right now
[11:50] <pwnguin> ive got a 1600x1200 at home, i cant quite figure out which vga to give it
[11:50] <pwnguin> seems it's just too beefy
[11:50] <albert23> try vga=ask ant it may tell you
[11:50] <voidmage> 796 for 8 bit, 798 for 16 bit, 799 for 32 bit
[11:51] <voidmage> wish there were widescreen vga modes
[11:54] <DanaG> Oh hey, here's something about blank terminals:
[11:54] <DanaG> For some reason, fbcon isn't loading.
[11:55] <DanaG> Try modprobe-ing it.  And if it works, put 'fbcon' on a new line in /etc/modules .
[11:56] <voidmage> yeah that worked
[11:56] <voidmage> awesome
[11:57] <albert23> no luck here yet
[11:59] <DanaG> I still wonder why that module is not being loaded.
[12:00] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2719341&postcount=2
[12:00] <DanaG> Hmm, there's a vga mode table.
[12:00] <DanaG> 1600x1200 is an option.
[12:00] <DanaG> Or you can install hwinfo and run 'sudo hwinfo --framebuffer'
[12:00] <pwnguin> it always says unrecognized mode for me
[12:01] <DanaG> Maybe the EDID is wrong, or something.
[12:01] <pwnguin> doubt it
[12:01] <pwnguin> it's a 2001fp
[12:04] <DanaG> Hmm, then it may be a good idea to try hwinfo.
[12:04] <tale_> anybody notice the buttons not registering actions in the installer?
[12:05] <DanaG> That'll tell you your table of framebuffer modes; I believe then you have to add 0x200 to each.
[12:13] <pwnguin> DanaG: i'll try it when i head home
[12:16] <pwnguin> i must say, im a little surprised the gl screensavers work at all with nv