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pvandewyngaerdecan i disable atime in linux ?12:39
PurpleFoolIt's a mount time option isn't it12:40
PurpleFoolWhich f/s are you using?12:40
PurpleFoolAnyone listening who's running Xen doms under gutsy?12:41
pvandewyngaerdeUUID=6369bc6b-c8bc-4ff5-980c-c8323ee39e33 / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 112:41
PurpleFoolDoesn't that do what you're after?12:42
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PurpleFoolNo Xen users awake then, huh?12:46
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about atime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:52
databuddyquite interesting dealio12:52
databuddyany benifits for reiserfs PurpleFool ? i use ext3 / ntfs / reiserfs12:53
pvandewyngaerdeabout atime12:54
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PurpleFooldatabuddy, Turning of atime?  Haven't looked for a long time.  Don't know WHY pvandewyngaerde is turning it off.12:57
pvandewyngaerdejust read the article12:58
PurpleFoolThere was a question and I swung :)12:58
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PSILOSSSSSSSSSSSwhat u sugg me for a webserver(apache) and mysql01:17
PSILOSSSSSSSSSSSphp,JSP,asp.. something else?01:17
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mrsnoanyone else getting bug 130724 still ?01:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130724 in yelp "[gutsy]  No help in Gnome control-center" [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13072401:44
mrsnobug 13092001:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130920 in yelp "Page not found (dup-of: 130724)" [Medium,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13092001:44
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mikeconceptseasy question: is there a desktop cube in gutsy without doing anything other than restricted drivers and desktop effects being enabled?02:17
RAOFNot quit.02:18
RAOFmikeconcepts: quite.  I think we use Wall by default, not Cube.02:18
mikeconceptsSo what I have now must be called Wall, I see02:18
RAOFLike a big plane, yes?02:19
mikeconceptsI must find where to increase workspaces to 402:19
RAOFmikeconcepts: install "compizconfig-settings-manager"02:20
mikeconceptsyes, like a plane, with a special graphic added that indicates what is happening, cool feature02:20
vlowthernow, for fixes to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/129226 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50214 ...02:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] 02:20
RAOFOoh, awesome.02:22
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RAOFvlowther: Or just update.02:23
RAOFvlowther: The fact that the bug fix won't make tribe4 doesn't mean there won't be a fixed kernel until tribe 5!02:24
vlowtheryeah, but give me a pointer to the patch and I will compile a kernel that works for me. ;)02:26
RAOFvlowther: You could pull Ubuntu-kernel-git, and build than :)02:27
mikeconceptscan't resolve archive.ubuntu.com, have checked everything in sources02:32
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mikeconceptswonder if the repository archive.ubuntu.com is down02:36
vlowthertrue... but I want everyone to do the work for me!02:38
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stdin^ that's got to be against the CoC03:08
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lchhi, i run gutsy and automount of USB memory stick stopped working, reinstalling of udev and hal did not work. seen bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/130490 but that does not have real detail about the solution. does someone know what to do here?03:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130490 in hal "No usb disks at all mount [gutsy] " [Undecided,New] 03:45
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ioioioioiiiiohi! is how stable is the current gutsy release>?04:06
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ioioioioiiiio(im a desktop user and wouldnt mind a crash once every few days, just not constantly :)04:06
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stdinthen you don't want gutsy yet04:15
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ioioioioiiiiok thanx04:32
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xsachagutsy tells me this today: "A new distribution version is available"04:35
xsachashould i upgrade? what is it?04:35
alexis600is tribe4 out yet?04:36
RAOFNo, read /topic04:36
RAOFOh, whoops.  Sorry04:36
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RAOFalexis600: Anyway, soon.  You can test the CD images if you like :)04:37
xsachaso does anyone know what this 'Version upgrade' is?04:37
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stdinxsacha: just go with it, it's not like you'll get ubuntu+2 :p04:38
xsachai dunno lol04:38
xsachait has an installer thing and then it says it cant download the release announcement04:39
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IdleOnehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33020/ can someone take a look at this and tell me what the next step is?05:36
stdinIdleOne: something like "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" or localeconf05:39
IdleOnestdin, I'll give it a shot05:39
IdleOnestdin, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales worked. thank you05:40
stdinIdleOne: no problem, I remember having to do that a while ago05:41
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rosensturmDo the binary nvidia drivers in Gutsy support the 8600 GTS card?06:18
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PurpleFoolAny Xen users awake atm?06:24
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PurpleFoolOr how about someone with kernel package building experience?06:25
RAOFrosensturm: No, sadly.06:25
RAOFrosensturm: Basically, the new drivers have horrible, annoying regressions.06:25
RAOFrosensturm: The bug you want to be tracking is: bug 12094306:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120943 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Update nvidia-glx-new package to latest 100 series driver" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12094306:26
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se7en^Of^9what do i do if i have unmet dependencis06:29
se7en^Of^9ython-qt3: Depends: python-sip4 (>= 4.7) but 4.6-1ubuntu3 is installed06:29
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RAOFse7en^Of^9: Wait until they're fixed.06:30
se7en^Of^9RAOF: how i cant so sudo apt-get upgrade anymore06:31
RAOFse7en^Of^9: This is normal, and will happen all the time in Gutsy testing06:31
RAOFse7en^Of^9: You wait until the fixed packages are uploaded, and then it works again.06:32
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se7en^Of^9ok thanks that's easy06:32
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defendguinhow come in gutsy under preferred applications there is not place to define what happens when a DVD is inserted?06:52
RAOFdefendguin: Because that's Removable Devices and Media06:53
RAOFYou could mount a case for that functionality to be merged, I guess.06:55
defendguini'm not sure what title would fit both of those menu items06:58
PurpleFoolanyone know where the Xen heads hang out?07:01
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Skrot-Hi, can someone with gutsy check if /etc/fstab line for mounting root containts "noatime"?07:02
PurpleFoolNot for me it doesn't07:02
stdinmine does, but that's because I d07:03
stdin*added it07:03
Skrot-Do you know if it safe to add for feisty used on a notebook?07:03
stdinsafe enough I guess07:03
RAOFSkrot-: It does if you add it, and you can do that in the alternate installer.07:04
RAOFSkrot-: If you have to ask, it's not yet safe enough :)07:04
Skrot-I'll give it a shot though =)07:04
Skrot-I was asking because of http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 by the way07:05
PurpleFoolThat's what a dev release is for, right?  Testing what makes things go b00m?07:05
RAOFPurpleFool: Indeed.07:05
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PurpleFoolIs there a good tutorial for kernel package building using the debian/ubuntu tools?07:11
RAOFPurpleFool: There was one on wiki.ubuntu.com07:11
RAOFPurpleFool: But I think the one I'm thinking of is obsolete now.07:11
RAOFAnyway, searching wiki.ubuntu.com (or help.ubuntu.com) is probably the way to go.07:12
PurpleFoolI'll take a gander anyway.07:12
PurpleFoolRight now I have a synaptic instance running that's spitting out lots of :07:13
PurpleFoolWarning, failed to load: package-availableIcon 'package-available' not present in theme07:13
PurpleFoolAnd not, obviously, displaying the icons in the panel.  Is it worth bugging that sort of dependency issue?07:13
PurpleFoolI'm pretty sure it's a simple dependency07:14
ameyernow to see if I can semi-easily get gutsy to boot from a USB HD07:17
defendguinin gutsy which package do i need for totem using gst to be able to play a DVD  i can play a DVD from other apps but totem tells me to install the necessary plugins07:19
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mattyvdefendguin: do you want to play commercial dvds, or just non-drm ones?07:21
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mattyvgst won't be a go then, install totem xine07:21
mattyvor vlc/mplayer07:22
defendguinmattyv: gst was able to do it in the past07:22
mattyvI was trying recently, totem doesn't like it. If you want to try, install at libdvdread then run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh07:23
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RAOFtotem-gst has always done it for me07:25
stdinameyer: is dvdcss illegal in the US, I thought that it was just theoretically illegal07:25
ameyerDMCA, unfortunately07:26
RAOFstdin: It is actively illegal to break copy-protection.07:26
ameyerthey haven't shown much interest in prosecuting it though07:26
RAOFNot just to distribute, but also to use.07:26
ameyery'know, the federal government is violating the DMCA?07:27
ameyerI downloaded acidrip from anl.gov :)07:27
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RAOFstdin: Where do you live?07:27
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stdinin the UK07:28
stdinthe EU is much more restrictive on software patients (making them that is, not enforcing them)07:29
defendguini guess i will just use elisa when i want to play a dvd07:29
mattyvJust trying right now, totem-gst + libdvdread3 + libdvdcss2...I get some sound, but still a msg about not having the appropriate plugins07:30
defendguintotem-gst worked in feisty07:32
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mattyvDidn't the wiki suggest xine?07:35
mattyvUnless that's outdated07:36
stdintry vlc07:37
mattyvI've got mplayer on here from a month ago when I needed to play something, that works fine07:38
mattyvAh, this is what I was thinking of with totem-gst from the wiki: "Note : While Totem-gstreamer can play a DVD automatically when it is inserted into the DVD drive, it cannot navigate the DVD nor play it by selecting Movie  Play Disc 'DVD Name'. "07:41
defendguini remember it being able to navigate a dvd menu in feisty07:42
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ionis it possible for ubuntu to be as compatible as windows07:46
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stdinin what was in windows "compatible" that linux isn't ?07:46
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RAOFion: No.07:48
Bubbleion: I think you already know the answer.07:48
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ionwhat i mean is, when will ubuntu "support it all"07:48
RAOFion: Never.07:48
mattyvWhen windows using proper standards07:48
stdinsupport what all?07:48
ionsupport all hardware07:49
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RAOFion: Alternatively, when hell freezes over and all companies provide good linux drivers.07:49
RAOFion: A similar question can be asked of Windows, of course :)07:49
stdinion: ask the hardware vendors to make linux drivers as well as windows drivers07:49
ionit really pisses me off that windows can run shit and *nix cant run it all07:49
RAOFion: Ubuntu supports much more hardware out of the box than windows.07:50
stdinit's not our fault that we have to reverse engineer hardware drivers07:50
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ionim glade the *nix community is getting bigger07:50
stdinand, yes, windows out-of-the-box only supports the most generic things07:50
ioni hope it hits well with dell07:50
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stdinNo1Viking: connection issues?07:51
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No1Vikingstdin: Naah, me testing a script that I got working now. Am sorry for the logins.07:52
corevettewhich chmod lets everyone have permission to a folder and all it's directories07:52
stdinwhat? folder = directory07:53
stdinand probably "777" or  "a+rwx"07:53
corevettewhich chmod lets everyone have permission to those files and all directories inside07:53
stdinadd -R to make it recursive07:54
corevettechmod 777 ?07:54
corevettestdin ^07:55
ionis there allot of people that handle the coding of ubuntu and bug fixes07:55
stdincorevette: for recursive "chmod -R 777 directory"07:55
stdinion: yeah, a lot07:56
RAOFNote that chmodding your /home to 777 will break stuff.07:56
ameyerdidn't windows 2000 have issues with out of the box nic compatibility?07:56
stdinwill make things insecure too07:56
ameyerlike I think it didn't support the realtek 8139 chipset that is/was extremely common?07:57
RAOFYou almost never want to unconditially set the executable bit, anyway.  The +X option is cool for that: executable if it's a directory, or is executable for someone else.07:57
corevettehow do you restart apache208:00
RAOFsudo /etc/init.d/apache restart :)08:00
corevettewhat is hte command/08:01
corevetteRAOF: apache -k restart08:02
corevetteRAOF: apache2 -k restart08:02
RAOFcorevette: I suppose you could use that, too.  I always use the init.d scripts :)08:03
stdin"apache2ctl restart"08:04
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kousotu[01:35]  <kousotu> anyone know where I ca get wi-fi radar for gutsy?08:36
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stdin!info wifi-radar08:37
ubotuwifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 232 kB08:37
stdinkousotu: there ^08:37
kousotuah kool08:38
kousotuI need dvd help08:38
kousotuit won't work.08:38
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs08:38
kousotudid all that08:38
stdinsee those links08:38
kousotuI did all that08:38
stdinthen what do you mean "won't work"? does it not want to get a job or pay rent?08:39
RAOFstdin: That's a perfect opportunity for !doesntwork08:39
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.08:39
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kousotuit won't read the dvds saying I'm mising plugins or something like that08:40
kousotuI thin08:40
stdinwhat won't? what app?08:40
kousotuwhaever gutst defaults to08:41
stdingutsy what? I don't know if you use ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu... you have to say08:41
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stdinhave you tried installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package ?08:42
stdinhave you got dvdcss2 ?08:45
kousotuI have 3 as well08:46
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kousotuhey Hobbsee08:46
stdinthen it "should" work08:46
kousotustdin: but it doesn't08:46
stdinmaybe try with another app, I don't use gnome so I don't know08:47
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stdinkousotu: vlc should work well with dvds08:47
kousotusudo aptget install vlc?08:48
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stdinwell, apt-get but yeah08:49
kousotuI am kindabusy atm08:50
kousotuhow do I change text color on the desktop?08:51
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kousotuno answer to that?08:54
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stdinI don't know, I don't run gnome08:57
kousotuit it posible/08:58
crdlbunless it's changed very recently, it's not possible08:58
crdlbnautilus uses white text with a black shadow to attempt to give contrast whatever the background08:59
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kousotucrdlb: my test is black09:03
AyabaraI use ubuntu at work, and I'm aching to try out gutsy. is it "stable enough" to use on a daily basis?09:03
RAOFIf you have to ask, the answer is no :)09:04
HobbseeAyabara: no.  that's why the /topic is in place09:05
Hobbseethen again, ooo may work now09:05
AyabaraRAOF, Hobbsee, ok. by stable enough, I meant that I'm prepared to have some crashes and problems :-)09:07
HobbseeAyabara: if you can do without an office suite at work, etc....09:07
RAOFIt may still eat data, even data not managed by it.09:07
RAOFIt probably won't, but it can.09:08
Hobbseeah yes, i'm wondering why ooo was mangling my data09:08
RAOFNo, that's just ooo :P09:08
kousotuHobbsee: I use it as my 2nd os09:08
kousotuno crashes yet09:09
kousotuhad it about 2 weks09:09
Ayabarasounds like maybe I should wait a couple of weeks :-)09:09
Ayabarathanks for scaring me ;-)09:09
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Hobbseekousotu: hm?09:09
HobbseeAyabara: well, it mostly works.  just, things do break, usually when you're requiring them to work09:09
kousotu"I'm aching to try out gutsy. is it "stable enough" to use on a daily basis?"09:09
Hobbseemurphy's law and all09:10
Hobbseekousotu: ah yes, if it's the second OS, then you have something to fall back on09:10
Hobbseewhich is usually OK09:10
Hobbseebut to run it as the sole one...09:10
kousotuHobbsee: I mainly use WinXP09:10
kousotubut that's cause I ame on winXP09:10
kousotuso my XP patrion have 30+gb09:11
kousotuwell, and I must add.. sound actually WORKS on XP09:11
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databuddyhiiiiiiiiiiiiii Hobbsee :309:17
databuddykousotu: make it your third os then :>09:17
Hobbseehey databuddy09:18
databuddyi noticed in my feisty install vs my gutsy install that in feisty i cant have the i810 and the intel xorg drivers in at the same time while in gutsy i can -09:19
databuddykinda wierd :P09:19
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kousotudatabuddy: what are you talking about?09:32
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kousotuI ned help making javawork on Firefox09:35
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rocketsHey has tribe 4 been posted yet?09:49
kousotu Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 3 Released!"09:50
Hobbseerockets: no09:50
kousotuHobbsee: ppl need to read the topic lol09:51
Hobbseekousotu: true.  but they dont seem to like to do that09:51
Hobbseerockets: you can always help with testing09:51
rocketskousotu, the topic is INSTANTANEOUSLY updated the moment its released? there couldnt be any delay?09:52
rocketstheoretically i mean09:52
kousoturockets: not likely09:52
Hobbseerockets: yes.09:52
Hobbseerockets: usually because i do it.09:52
Hobbseerockets: along with other topics09:52
rocketsHobbsee, so who are you, out of curiosity09:52
Hobbseerockets: besides, there's different stages of releasing09:53
Hobbseerockets: i'm a green alien.09:53
rocketsto the ubuntu project i mean09:53
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rocketsOh man, Gutsy comes out on my birthday!09:53
Hobbseerockets: i'm one of the people on the release team, a core dev, a motu, involved in kubuntu development, universe packages, bugsquad from time to time, and bits and pieces of irc oping.09:53
rocketsI'll have like . . . a double party.09:53
rocketsHobbsee, cool!09:54
Hobbseehow's that for an answer? :)09:54
AmaranthI work on bling?09:54
coNPHobbsee: it is fine, but maybe it would be easier to list what you are *not* doing :)09:54
HobbseecoNP: hah.  theres' still a heck of a lot of that09:55
rocketskousotu, masters of the universe09:55
Hobbsee!motu | kousotu09:55
ubotukousotu: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU09:55
kousotucoulda just said dev09:55
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RAOFAmaranth: Seen !nouveau?09:55
ubotuNouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive09:56
RAOFOf course you have.  *Tested* nouveau? :)09:56
AmaranthNo :P09:56
rocketsHobbsee, you might be a good person to ask this then. Will ubuntu accept ruby based software packages to main? I remember reading they prefer python09:56
Hobbseerockets: yes.  ruby would have to be in main09:57
Hobbseerockets: it's not a case of "we only accept python packages"09:57
Hobbseeso for writing new stuff, most people will write it in python09:57
Hobbseebut it's not a must09:57
rocketsHobbsee, i dont mean the ruby language itself09:57
rocketsi mean other stuff written in ruby09:57
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AmaranthRAOF: I see you chickened out and didn't go for the mesa update too :)09:57
Hobbseerockets: indeed.  i'm saying "as long as the deps are in main, then sure"09:58
RAOFAmaranth: Not when you can locally build mesa09:58
databuddyruby? @_@ got me confuzzled with someone lol09:58
AmaranthRAOF: not worth it for glxgears :)09:58
RAOFAmaranth: Also, not until nouveau does something more impressive than glxgears :)09:58
AmaranthRAOF: did you see intel does redirected glx now?09:59
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databuddyearthquake!!!! socal rox09:59
AmaranthRAOF: I mean, you have to build from like 4 experimental branches to get it but still09:59
RAOFAs in, GLX under compiz works right?09:59
AmaranthRAOF: right09:59
RAOFMan, it's all coming together :)09:59
RAOFI'll build the git drm drivers if you want to provide the rest :P10:00
AmaranthRAOF: http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html10:00
rocketsHobbsee, ah yeah cool10:00
AmaranthRAOF: intel apparently does textured video on i915 and higher too10:00
AmaranthRAOF: but only if you use exa10:00
Amaranthand it's done that for ages10:00
Amaranthbut since exa is still broken no one ever noticed10:00
rocketsnight all10:02
HobbseeRAOF: want to do me a favour?10:03
RAOFHobbsee: Depends on the favour :)10:03
HobbseeRAOF: writing up the release notes for t4?  :)10:04
RAOFWhen are they due?10:04
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MenZaHmm, I've attempted to install nvidia-glx-new and linux-restricted-modules-generic (and -common), and X refuses to start. Complains about a missing "wfb" module, thus X refuses to start. What's weird, is if I try to modprobe nvidia, it gives me "FATAL: Error running install command for NVIDIA."10:05
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RAOFMenZa: 8800 card?10:05
HobbseeRAOF: few hours.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe410:06
HobbseeRAOF: (watch #ubuntu-devel)10:06
HobbseeRAOF: as in, there's a list of stuff there, it just needs fleshing out10:06
RAOFHobbsee: Uuum.  Maybe.10:06
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RAOFHobbsee: I'll check that out.10:07
MenZaAny replies to my query? I appear to have mistakenly parted the channel -_-10:07
HobbseeRAOF: cool, tahnks10:08
RAOFMenZa: 8800 card?10:08
kousotuHobbsee: will http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=pidgin-libnotify work on gutsy?10:08
MenZaRAOF: 7950GT10:08
Hobbseekousotu: that's already in gutsy.10:08
MenZaRAOF: It's worked in the past.10:08
Hobbseekousotu: that version may, but i dont see the point of it10:08
kousotuHobbsee: I didn't see it..10:08
stdin!info pidgin-libnotify10:09
ubotupidgin-libnotify: display notification bubbles in pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 232 kB10:09
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:/storage/isos$ madison pidgin-libnotify10:09
Hobbseepidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages10:09
Hobbseepidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages10:09
Hobbseepidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Sources10:09
Hobbseepidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources10:09
stdinyou spam-a-holic Hobbsee :p10:09
kousotuLogPointyStick? lol10:09
Hobbseestdin: bite me :P10:11
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RAOFHobbsee: Actually, I'll be doing something with jml this evening.  Can you find someone else?10:11
HobbseeRAOF: yeah, OK.10:12
RAOFHobbsee: The alternative is I try to look at it after I'm finished with jml, which is likely to be 10ish or so.10:12
kousotuHobbsee: ty, didn't see it lasttim I looked10:12
HobbseeRAOF: i expect that'll be too late.  no problem10:12
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MenZaI had a small issue last night, which appeared to remove pretty much all packages installed on my system.10:12
stdinthat's more than the limit, Hobbsee should kick herself :p10:13
MenZaIt was amusing.10:13
MenZaEspecially since, being the idiot I am, I run Gutsy on my main system :D10:13
kousotuHobbsee: I prefer to know when/where my friends are10:13
MenZaI did so with Dapper, too.10:13
HobbseeMenZa: i do that too10:13
Hobbseekousotu: hm?10:13
kousotu[03:08]  <Hobbsee> kousotu: that version may, but i dont see the point of it10:14
MenZaI'm tempted to use the nv driver for now10:14
kousotuthat's the pont of it lol10:14
RAOF!nouveau | MenZa10:14
ubotuMenZa: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive10:14
RAOFMenZa: Try that :P10:14
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RAOFYou're in #ubuntu+1, I can recommend stuff that may break :P10:14
Hobbseekousotu: no, getdeb's stuff isnt from within the repository, so no idea how good it is, whether it kills other things, etc10:15
MenZaRAOF: I'll have a look at it10:15
kousotuI've always een a risk taker10:15
kousotuany upgrades to the alsa driver?10:15
Hobbseekousotu: just dont file bugs on getdeb.net stuff, and dont file bugs about broken dependanices from tehm10:15
kousotucause I really want my sound10:15
Hobbseekousotu: else i'll hit them with the invalid stick10:16
stdinkousotu: the version on getdeb is 0.13, the version in the repo is 0.13-0ubuntu1, what's the point of getting the getdeb version?10:17
RAOFIn fact, what's the point of getting from getdeb *at all*?10:17
HobbseeRAOF: more potential of crack.  must be better.10:17
kousotuRAOF: I'd expain, but you might not understand me lol10:17
RAOFI post plenty of crack to universe!10:17
RAOFLook at Xgl!  democracyplayer!10:18
RAOFYeah, still waiting on the Debian maintainer for that.10:19
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kousotuhey, how an I crack XP exes to run differently?10:20
MenZaOoh, restart.10:21
MenZalmfao, coreutils weren't installed10:21
kousotucaue I'd much rather work on making my own cracks to run stuff than get one that don't work10:21
RAOFkousotu: Disassemble, then binary patch.10:22
RAOFkousotu: Also known as a PITA10:22
kousotuRAOF: sounds complicated lol10:22
RAOFYes.  This is *why* open source ;)10:22
kousotuany upgrades to the alsa driver?10:22
kousotuRAOF: damn..10:23
RAOFNo idea.  Check the alsa homepage?10:23
kousotuRAOF: I don't know it?10:23
RAOFHave you filed a bug?10:23
kousotuyes, of course10:23
RAOFGood :)10:23
kousotualso a regrssion bug for zd1211rw as well10:23
RAOFGuess what comes up first on a google search for "alsa"?  www.alsa-project.org :)10:24
kousotustupid kernal update busted it10:24
RAOFalso, bugtracker: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/my_view_page.php10:25
RAOFThose are your alsa friends.10:25
kousotuoh wait..10:26
kousotuRealtek isn't supported...10:27
MenZaUgh, now metacity just isn't starting up -_-10:32
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Carroarmato0Any one seen the project "Cheese"? :)10:54
kousotuI haven't, but I ain't been in the linux community that long10:55
Carroarmato0It's like a Photoboot-like program written for Gnome10:56
Carroarmato0Looks very promising! :)10:56
Carroarmato0But it reminds me of where linux currently is in the webcam field...10:56
kousotuWIndows hates my webcam10:58
kousotuso I doubt Linux will show it any love10:58
Carroarmato0For me it's the opposite10:58
Carroarmato0But I know that there is an opensource driver for it...10:59
Carroarmato0I think the problem is that there aren't really good webcam enable apps to use the webcam in the first place on linux :(10:59
Carroarmato0I mean... Pidgin doesn't make usage of webcams for instance...11:00
kousotuthat msnclient looks ok11:00
kousotuand pidgin does11:01
kousotuI seen it11:01
Carroarmato0you mean amsn?11:01
kousotuthe other one11:02
Carroarmato0Yeah... but Pidgen doesn't have that support by default...11:02
Carroarmato0And besides... there's no real centralized configuration app for webcams under Ubuntu... in the end you have to hack through it yourself11:03
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kousotuI don't know of any for ANY distro11:05
Carroarmato0See that's the problem...11:05
Carroarmato0The only thing that comes close is the VOIP client Ekiga... the you can select the v4l system to handle the video output of webcams... but it's only limited to that app11:06
Carroarmato0... and given that your webcam works with the driver..11:07
kousotuPidgin has webcamsuport11:08
Carroarmato0So where do you enable it?11:08
kousotunever tried that11:09
kousotuI can check11:09
Carroarmato0Don't you have to like... compile it to make it work?11:09
kousotunot that I know of11:10
Carroarmato0But does it say so in the latest stable version or beta of Pidgen?11:10
kousotuI have 2.1.011:11
Carroarmato0I've tested the Pidgin that comes with the Tribe 3 of Gutsy and haven't noticed anything about webcams11:12
kousotuok.. I'll find it..11:13
Carroarmato0Anyone know if we can expect the CFS scheguler in Ubuntu before Gutsy comes out?11:13
Carroarmato0it's still awhile before the kernel freeze...11:14
Carroarmato0Completely Fair Scheguler11:16
Hobbsee*** anyone want to do some cd testing? ***11:16
RAOFCarroarmato0: My info is: No.  2.6.22 will be the final kernel, and no-one's going to backport a new, fairly untested scheduler11:16
RAOFMan, I don't think I *could* write a coherent set of release notes if I tried at this point.11:16
stdinCarroarmato0: if it's not going to be in .22, it's not going to be in gutsy11:17
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kousotuHobbsee: what kinda testing?11:17
Carroarmato0RAOF: thx fair enough... I'd prefere to have a pretty stable kernel anyway :)11:17
Carroarmato0stdin: thx11:18
Hobbseekousotu: cd - tribe 411:18
Carroarmato0Hobbsee: Tribe 4 is out?11:18
kousotuHobbsee: install it?11:19
snadgeyou can always roll your own kernel anyway11:20
snadgei'd prefer something that was stable that worked for 99% of people, than something that was bleeding edge and potentially more buggy11:20
kousotuHobbsee: you want me to dl and install T4?11:21
Hobbseekousotu: from https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/All and comment on if they work11:21
HobbseeCarroarmato0: no11:21
kousotuThe server certificate failed the authenticity test (iso.qa.stgraber.org).11:22
kousotucan you direct me ot the right one?11:22
kousotuI have a celeron M11:23
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stdinthe i38611:23
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kousotuHobbsee: I hope this one is more sable n the install than T311:25
johannesNeu hi guys! can someone help me - got my kubuntu gutsy with kd4-development snapshot3 - want to develop for kde4 now ... don't now which directories & stuff i should use11:25
kousotuso I want : https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/619  right?11:27
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Hobbseekousotu: probably.  you want an i386, and you probably want the desktop cd11:28
kousotuyea, I ain't runni server11:29
stdinUbuntu Desktop i386 (20070809) = 619 yes11:29
kousotuI'm gonna just reinstall ubuntu on T411:29
kousotuI havethe T3 cdif I need it11:30
snadgei will try the beta.. whatever thats going to be called11:30
snadgebut i think i'll keep my feisty install for now ;)11:30
kousotu1:14:** left11:33
kousotulong time..11:33
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kousotuhobsee: you upload that?11:34
kousotuhobbsee: you upload that?*11:34
Hobbseekousotu: uploaded which?11:34
kousotuany of the T4 isos11:35
kousotucause rar or tar.gz would be TONS quicker..11:36
kousotuor zip. w/e11:37
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Hobbseekousotu: what, the .iso's then compressed?11:40
Hobbseethey already *areI compressed11:40
kousotuno they aren't11:42
kousotuis is a 1:1 copy of a cd11:42
Hobbseesquashfs and all that are compression tools11:42
Hobbseethis is true11:42
Hobbseebut the data on the cd is already compressed11:42
Hobbseekousotu: rsync is your friend, anyway11:42
kousotuwhat's est for mp3s?11:44
stdinan ogg encoder11:46
stdinor, mp32ogg11:46
kousotusound sux on my laptop11:46
stdinboth are good :)11:46
kousotumax val = min on xp11:47
stdinmaybe it's because xp shouts11:47
kousotualsa don't support mycar11:48
stdindoesn't support my car either :p11:48
kousotutypo oops?11:48
kousotuXP ain't that loud on my laptop11:48
stdinI made sure to get a intel mobo, I have full 3d graphics with no binary drivers and good sound support11:49
kousotuHobbsee: what gfx card you got?11:49
Hobbseeintel 96511:50
kousotuIntel 95011:50
stdinIntel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller11:50
kousotuyou have any install isues with t3?11:50
kousotuor 4 for that matter11:50
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stdinI upgraded from feisty, so no11:51
kousotuwow I actually hav  newer card than someone :)11:51
Hobbseeissues aplenty, but not with video cards11:51
stdinkousotu: 14346 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2869.028 FPS :)11:51
kousotuHobbsee: any install probs o you just upgrade?11:52
afiefWhere can I get the T4 CD?11:52
Hobbseekousotu: it depends which partition you're talking about11:52
Hobbseethis runs kubuntu, it's fine11:52
Hobbseeafief: it's not out yet.11:52
Hobbseekousotu: various bits of virtualbox, and another machine.  they have problems11:52
kousotuafief: I'm tsting the thing lol11:52
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kousotuI had a bitch time with T311:53
stdinhmm, I can't wait to update my feisty desktop, that's gone from dapper > edgy > feisty do far :S11:53
Hobbseeafief: https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/All are candidates11:53
Hobbseeafief: they may kill your dog, eat your hard drive, etc11:53
Hobbseekousotu: what with?11:54
Hobbseekousotu: the compiz bug?11:54
kousotuit wound't run lcd like 5/6 of the time11:54
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Hobbseewell, the orange screen not loading?11:54
afiefHobbsee: I don't mind, as long as it eats the VISTA installation on the hard drive11:54
Hobbseeheya jussi01!11:54
Hobbseeafief: hehe11:54
kousotuHobbsee: I am ON the pc I'll be putting it on11:54
stdinyou didn't typo that time, but you still corrected youerself :p11:55
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kousotuoh wait.. I wanted it caped11:56
stdintime for a reboot, need a clean dmesg for a bug report...11:56
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jussi01open office still doesnt work11:56
Hobbseejussi01: install openoffice.org-gnome.11:56
jussi01Hobbsee: is that a temp work around or permanenent fix?11:57
Hobbseejussi01: temp workaround11:58
jussi01ok, btw Hobbsee do you have an answer for my yesterdays question?11:58
jussi01my upgrade distribution does not work11:58
Hobbseejussi01: yesterday is an illusion.11:59
jussi01it cant fetch the release annoncement11:59
Hobbseethere was another adept upload recently.  retry it'11:59
jussi01ok, will do :)12:00
jussi01brb, got to restart x12:01
kousotubut damn..gotta reconfugure epsxe...12:03
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kousotu*is so moving it to XP12:04
kousotuwb jussi0112:04
jussi01hey Hobbsee is tribe 4 not out?12:04
kousotuit's in alpha12:05
kousotuI believe..12:05
Hobbseejussi01: correct.12:05
Hobbseejussi01: there are images for testing, though12:05
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kousotusomeone tell mycat not toscratch me12:06
kousotuso much for playing RE4 today..12:07
jussi01hmmm is there a kde equivalent to12:08
jussi01!info gmountiso12:08
kousotuHobbsee: does Linux regulate the bandwidth of your actal ISP connectin like windows does?12:08
jussi01and the bot is dead....12:08
kousotucheack in the other chan12:09
ccookeHmm. What's the state of Gutsy at the moment? (is it, roughly, as stable as feisty/edgy/dapper were about two months from release?)12:09
kousotuccooke: I haven't had any POSTinstall trouble12:09
jussi01ccooke: I dont know how they were, but its definately not stable yet12:09
ccookeI usually pick up the dev release about this time on my (very, very well backed up) work laptop12:10
kousotuccooke: I am on tribe 3 right now, it's fine for me12:10
jussi01kde open office is broken12:10
kousotujussi01: sux to be you?12:10
ccookejussi01: is that "kde and open office are broken" or "Open office is broken on kde" ?12:10
jussi01Hobbsee: whats your opinion?12:11
jussi01ccooke: the latter12:11
ccookeah. Fine, then. I stick with the default Ubuntu :-)12:11
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kousotuthere's yer bot12:11
jussi01yay, the bot is back12:11
jussi01!info gmountiso12:12
kousotuwhat's the diff between KDE and gnome?12:12
ubotugmountiso: This is Gmountiso, a PyGTK GUI to mount your cd images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 12 kB, installed size 116 kB12:12
jussi01go look on google, way too much to say here12:12
afiefkousotu: same as the diff between OSX and Linux. they are just different12:12
ccookeAre we expecting tribe4 today? It says so on the release schedule, but I'm not sure how well reality matches it12:12
kousotuthe basic differences?12:12
jussi01ccooke: its alpha atm12:13
ccookejussi01: tribe4 is?12:13
jussi01kde use qt, gnome uses gtk12:13
jussi01ccooke: yes12:13
jussi01ccooke: they need people to test the cd's if you want12:13
ccookethat would be useful12:14
jussi01ccooke: jump into #ubuntu-iso if you want to help with that12:14
ccookeI keep two root partitions on my work laptop, and a seperate /home. Makes testing new distros very easy12:14
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Hobbseejussi01: what about the topic?12:16
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Hobbseekousotu: does windows do that?  no idea.12:16
Hobbseeccooke: ooo is broken in kde - install openoffice.org-gnome as a workaround.12:16
jussi01Hobbsee: I saw tribe 3 was out, and was thinking if tribe was out...12:16
Cube-nesshow do i tell compiz-fusion to use the copy render path thingy? its really choppy for me without it12:16
Hobbseeccooke: tribe 4 today, yes, probably12:16
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kousotuHobbsee: do what?12:16
Hobbseekousotu: what you mentioned before12:16
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kousotuwhich is?12:17
jussi01hehe, thanks :P12:17
Hobbsee[20:08]  <kousotu> Hobbsee: does Linux regulate the bandwidth of your actal ISP connectin like windows does?12:17
kousotuwindows does12:18
kousotuI haven't seen linux hold itback12:18
kousotuI mean linux pumps out 12kbps where windows goes to like 90kbps on average12:19
ccookekousotu: that's usually due to differences in the TCP stack12:19
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kousotuccooke: XP rarely hits 100+12:20
kousotuLinus stays nearthat12:20
Cube-nesshmm.. ok, so when you tell gnome to use the desktop effects in the appearance app, where are the start options that get sent to compiz when its run? as in, is there a script somewhere that gets called that i can edit to mod the flags used?12:20
ameyermight also have something to do with application design12:20
ccookekousotu: Could be dozens of reasons. Linux may just be more efficient, or may be returning the ACKs more promptly (which will be seen by the remote side as a signal to speed up)12:21
kousotuHobbsee: can non-reggeds pm registered users?12:21
Hobbseekousotu: not usually.  depends if the registered users have changed their settings to let them12:22
ameyerthen again, ktorrent seeds faster than azureus mostly12:22
kousotuwhat mode is it?12:22
ameyerit's probably java-related stuff12:22
kousotuI know on other servers it's R12:23
kousotubut reg here is e12:23
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Hobbseekousotu: /msg nickserv help12:23
kousotuyou don't know the etter?12:23
kousotuI give up12:23
Hobbseekousotu: i used to.  i dont remember now, off the top of my head.12:24
Hobbseekousotu: it's also on the freenode FAQ12:24
kousotuit;s diferent lol12:25
kousotuI'm set12:25
kousotuI hope.12:25
jussi01non registered users cant even pm, so whatever...12:26
kousotues they can12:31
jussi01not here they cant, have you tried it?12:31
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Hobbseejussi01: they can pm some users, if the registered users have it set12:31
jussi01on freenode it gives you a nice little message about because of spam you cant do that12:31
jussi01Hobbsee: oh12:31
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kousotuHobbsee: where you from?12:36
Hobbseekousotu: sydney, australia12:37
kousotua halfday aheada me12:37
kousotuoh longer12:37
jussi01kousotu: go back to typing school :P12:37
jussi01!enter | kousotu12:38
ubotukousotu: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!12:38
kousotuI never wetnt ;)12:38
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kousotujussi01: no one's active, what diference it make12:46
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ccookekousotu: no, it just *looks* like nobody's active because your enter-strewn comments take up far more vertical space than they should :-)12:49
jussi01Hobbsee: or any other aussies, is there _legal_ way to play dvd's on linux in australia?12:53
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kousotuI donno if it's legal here to, but I no care12:54
kousotuIown them after all12:54
jussi01kousotu: where is here?12:54
jussi01definately not legal there :P12:55
kousotuI woldn't fugured you wold know from my earlier comment12:55
kousotu[05:37]  <kousotu> a halfday aheada me12:55
jussi01kousotu: yeah, but that also could be europe, or south america, canada etc12:56
kousotueurope is not 13hrsbehind you12:56
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kousotumor like 612:57
jussi01kousotu: Im in europe, and we are nine hours behind in winter, getting lose to a half day behind oz12:57
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kousotuyer 6 or o hrs ahear of me then12:59
kousotuI get  friend in the uk01:00
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craigbass1976This channel is only for gutsy?02:15
johnnybuoy< #ubuntu for feisty02:16
craigbass1976Are you folks the developers, or just here to help?02:16
johnnybuoyboth usually02:17
johnnybuoysometimes on or the other :-D02:17
kousotuof in my case...02:17
kousotuhere to be here02:17
craigbass1976Is gutsy networking like feisty?  It acts a lot like windows now with the little spinny icon and losing an ip when you disconnect the cable02:18
craigbass1976In dapper and edgy, I could get an address, unplug the cat5 cable, and still have an ip.  Now I can't.  It acts like windows, and I wonder if things are going to stay this way in future Ubuntus02:19
kousotucraigbass1976: that's a bad analogy02:20
johnnybuoythat's how it should work for laptops/desktops02:21
johnnybuoywhy would you want an IP is you aren't connected to any network?02:22
johnnybuoycraigbass1976, ^ ?02:24
craigbass1976Well, and tel me if what I'm asking is inappropriate for this room, what if I've got a nfs share mounted up.  If I need to move (I have cat5 jacks in all the rooms here) don't I have to remount that when the network restarts?02:24
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johnnybuoyif you get the same IP then no02:25
johnnybuoythat depends on your dhcp server (if you have one)02:25
craigbass1976My dhcp server (cent box) gives out the same ip every time.  This is probably trivial and I'm just having trouble with change.  :)02:26
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craigbass1976har har02:27
Trewascraigbass1976: you can still use the old ways to configure the network instead of networkmanager (which is what causes the ip to be dropped when cable is removed)02:27
craigbass1976Is there a link on how to do that, or so you mean just set up a static ip with ifconfig?02:28
homophobphobor in gnome02:28
homophobphobwhich does the same02:28
homophobphobcraigbass1976, just right-click on the network icon02:29
homophobphoband -> manual network configuration02:29
homophobphoboh, left click, sry02:30
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vbanaiti am having problem with etehrnet card . Will anybody help http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33132/02:30
craigbass1976vbanait, I was going to look into it when I saw your post in #ubuntu but wanted to finish up in here02:31
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craigbass1976vbanait, you using gutsy?02:31
homophobphobvbanait, you should paste an output of lspci at least...02:32
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Hobbseevbanait: just a warning - if you paste your question multiple times in succession again, i'm going to kickban you into next year, okay?02:33
vbanaitbut help me02:34
vbanaiti m using 7.0402:34
johnnybuoythen > #ubuntu !!!02:34
Ayabarahey. where can I find info on how to dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy?02:34
craigbass1976vbanait, you might try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=461330&page=5&highlight=romihim+RTL813902:34
craigbass1976johnnybuoy, hey thanks btw.  Look like I'll just have to deal with the new setup.02:35
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Hobbseevbanait: then this is not the right channel.02:35
Hobbseevbanait: no one here is *using* feisty.02:36
Hobbsee!upgrade | Ayabara02:36
ubotuAyabara: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:36
AyabaraHobbsee: thanks02:37
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ccookeGutsy is running okay so far...03:15
ccookeThere seem to be loads of keyboard shortcuts that are no longer available03:15
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ccookeWait... in Gutsy, with desktop effects, how do you get more than two desktops?03:22
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|Lunar_Lamp|Where do I check for known bugs in gutsy again? I can't open openoffice and get no error messages.03:28
Hobbsee|Lunar_Lamp|: that's known03:28
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots03:28
|Lunar_Lamp|Ok, known fix?03:28
Hobbseeinstall openoffice.org-gnome03:28
Hobbseeis the workaround03:29
|Lunar_Lamp|Hmm, even if I'm running kubuntu?03:29
coNPYes. You have to decide which is worse having Gnome components or having Openoffice.org on your computer :)03:32
pvandewyngaerdeif you are on kubuntu, try Koffice :-)03:33
Hobbsee|Lunar_Lamp|: yes03:35
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compwiz18I've got a problem with upgrading: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/bsdutils_1% 3a2.12r-19ubuntu3_i386.deb: unable to open files list file for package `libgnomevfs2-common'03:52
compwiz18I just did a standard Reload - Mark All Updates - Apply -> Error :(03:53
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yem1hi, just a quick question, what kernel version is in tribe 4?03:55
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compwiz18I shall download Tribe 4 and reinstall.04:05
compwiz18maybe that'll fix my problems.04:05
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yem1sorry for asking again, just a quick question, what kernel version is in tribe 4?04:08
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MenZawhee, Hobbsee04:14
MenZaHobbsee: dist-upgrade, no?04:14
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HobbseeMenZa: if you like04:14
MenZaHobbsee: Well, that is what would get the latest packages, e.g. Tribe 4, correct?04:14
HobbseeMenZa: true04:15
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MenZa0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.04:15
MenZahow peculiar o_o04:15
MenZa(and yes, I did update)04:15
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MenZaoh for crying out loud04:16
ccookeMenZa: ?04:16
MenZaPidgin segfaults, Evolution segfaults04:16
MenZaFun :D04:16
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aaronmdoes tribe 4 have the same issue that tribe 3 had with the live cd freezing?04:38
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Carroarmato0 I'm testing Tribe 4 and found what looks like a bug, in the Network Settings it doesn't let me enable the automatic service discovery (avahi), Is this normal for the live-cd or not?04:47
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ccookeNo mp3 codecs in Gutsy?04:54
ccookethe codec finder isn't finding anything04:54
Carroarmato0ccooke, gonna check it out...04:54
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ccookeI have it04:55
Carroarmato0ccooke, did you do something special?04:56
ccookeThe Add/Remove application's setting for which packages to display was blank (nothing selected)04:56
ccookeThis is after a new install04:56
ccookewhen I started it, then changed the Show setting, codecs are found04:57
ccookeSo, two errors here:04:57
ccooke1) On a new install, the Show selection can be blank (thus, nothing will be found)04:57
Carroarmato0Conferming this... even on the Live-cd I get this04:58
ccooke2) When this happens, the codec search app will suggest changing that setting, but neither give you access to it nor tell you where it is.04:58
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ccookedoes anyone know what package the codec finder is in?05:00
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Carroarmato0yeah, let me check...05:00
Carroarmato0should be gnome-codec-install05:01
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ccookeno such package in gutsy05:01
Carroarmato0it's listed in my terminal...05:01
ccookeright, it's in gnome-app-install05:01
ccookeCarroarmato0: I asked package, not file.05:01
ccookeCarroarmato0: it's okay, once I realised you meant that was the binary it was fine :-)05:02
Carroarmato0ccooke, are you able to enable "Automatic Service Discovery" in "Network Settings"?05:07
ccookeWhat "Network Settings"?05:07
Carroarmato0If you got "System-->Administration-->Network" you should find it05:08
Carroarmato0Then when you are in "Network Settings" you go to the "General" tab, and below is the service discovery...05:09
ccookeCarroarmato0: I thought that's what you meant, but it doesn't have "Network Settings" in the menu05:10
ccookeCarroarmato0: And no, it's greyed out05:10
Carroarmato0Hmm could this be a bug?05:11
ccookeIn the menu, it's System -> Administration -> Network05:11
ccookeProbably not.05:11
ccookeNetwork Manager is the default tool for setting up new systems now, and it enables avahi itself05:11
ccookeI'll bet if you make a static config, you'll be able to set the option05:11
Carroarmato0... so you don't have to enable it then in the network configuration....?05:12
Carroarmato0Kinda confusing... and confusion isn't good, specially if you're a newbie!05:12
ccookeSystem -> Administration -> Network is for manual configuration only, so it shouldn't be set there05:13
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Carroarmato0So... what should I have to do if I'd say I wanted avahi to be disabled?05:14
ccookeHowever, it seems I was wrong about it becoming workable if you have a non-roaming interface05:14
Carroarmato0If I go to configure network manager it sends me to the manual network configuration screen...05:15
ccookeso... it probably is a bug05:15
Carroarmato0yup guess so05:15
Carroarmato0*going to launchpad05:15
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ccookeah, well. Thankfully someone already spotted my bug05:19
ccookeSo... does anyone know how much of the xorg hotplug stuff has gone into Gutsy so far?05:20
Carroarmato0Although there are still some buggies around... Gutsy is coming out nicely! :-)05:20
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johnnybuoyso in the kubuntu tribe4 there is kde4?05:27
pvandewyngaerdenope, only beta 1 packages05:28
pvandewyngaerdecan be downloaded05:29
Tm_Tjohnnybuoy: KDE4 won't be ready too soon, not until, err, early winter05:29
pvandewyngaerde23 oktober is targetted release date for kde 4.005:30
johnnybuoyyeah, i know they want to make plasma05:30
johnnybuoywhich would make me switch05:30
johnnybuoyplasma rocks05:30
johnnybuoyis there any plasma in beta1?05:30
johnnybuoy(is it worth it for me to install tribe4 just to check plasma?05:31
johnnybuoyreally, plasma rocks, I can hardly wait to get rid of my bloated panel :-)05:33
Tm_Tmy panel isn't bloated <305:35
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tattersforgive my ignorence but is gutsy compatable with debian sid packages?05:39
Carroarmato0I don't know... I quit using KDE since it has became this cockpit full of options... I'm eager to check KDE 4 out... but I'm pretty sure I'll stick to gnome05:39
Tm_TCarroarmato0: well, reason why I use KDE is that I do have options05:39
Tm_TCarroarmato0: if I don't like something, I can hide it, close it, or move it, or better, change it05:40
Tm_Tin GNOME, well, atleast I get panic attack05:40
Carroarmato0Tm_T, I haven't go anything against KDE... Hell I think it's a freaking demonstration of German superior coding! :)   But I'm happy that everyone gets to chose how to manage their desktop.05:41
Tm_TCarroarmato0: yes05:41
Tm_TCarroarmato0: I still suggest GNOME for many people, but it's not for me (:05:42
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Carroarmato0Sure, I'd normally suggest Gnome for newbies first, and maybe introduce them to KDE later once they get used to Gnome... But I've installed Mandriva on a kids laptop and he was so inlove with all the options that KDE has. :)05:43
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Carroarmato0So in the end it's personal taste05:43
Carroarmato0There are some thing that Gnome can do better05:44
Tm_Talways is05:44
Carroarmato0Like totem for instance.... I think it really sucks in many ways... And I'm actually quite surprized how much Kplayer sucks too! I mean it's KDE! Why the hell isn't their mediaplayer full of bling?05:45
Tm_Twell, Kplayer is not KDE thing really05:46
Tm_Tit's for KDE, it's not from KDE05:46
Carroarmato0How come the Kde team haven't come up with their own thing?05:47
Tm_TI use KMplayer05:47
Tm_Terr, you mean Kaffeine?05:47
Tm_Tand then there's Amarok05:47
Carroarmato0No, I think I was refering to KMplayer... but I think the interface could be worked on a little more...05:49
Tm_TKMplayer is just good05:49
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Carroarmato0In the end what are useres going to care about? That it can use many different backends like xine, mplayer, etc... or if it works and looks good?05:50
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Tm_TCarroarmato0: I care backends & it works05:50
Tm_Twithout a fuss05:50
Tm_Tbut then again, I'm not "normal user" people keep referring to05:51
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Carroarmato0Sure, that's perfect for you... but I feel like the default interface could be more05:52
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Carroarmato0be  more *sexy*05:52
Tm_TCarroarmato0: then there's Kaffeine05:52
Carroarmato0well ofcourse that depends on personal taste... but, this is just me :)05:52
Carroarmato0Ho! found new bug! w00t!05:53
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Ryuzaki23Hi, I'm in Ubunt Gutsy Instable and i've a problem with OpenOffice. It cannot be launched (i've only the starting splash).05:55
Ryuzaki23Can you help me ?05:55
Ryuzaki23It's a bug ?05:55
Carroarmato0Ryuzaki23, yes it's a bug and they are already taking care of it05:56
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, ok, i see05:56
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, but, the update of today doesn't correcting the bug ?05:57
Carroarmato0Ryuzaki23, thx for reporting anyway :)05:57
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, ok ;)05:57
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, and DVD-RW ?05:57
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, After launching HAL, i've a problem with my DVD-RW05:57
Ryuzaki23in /var/log/messages :05:58
Carroarmato0Ryuzaki23, you can't write them?05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353006]  hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353012]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353016]  hdc: drive not ready for command05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353072]  hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353078]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353082]  hdc: drive not ready for command05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353123]  hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353129]  ide: failed opcode was: unknown05:58
Ryuzaki23[846162.353133]  hdc: drive not ready for command05:58
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, the drive is not ready05:58
Carroarmato0hmm, don't know... you should check on launchpad05:58
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, the bug is already reported, since a long time05:59
Ryuzaki23Carroarmato0, but nobody help me for the moment05:59
Carroarmato0Guess we'll have to give it some time more... might be difficult to fix... or not a big priority.06:00
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jiphexYo, is the dual monitor config tool working yet in tribe-4?06:20
Carroarmato0jiphex: don't think so... haven't see it06:21
ccookejiphex: I was wondering that, also06:21
jiphexso it'd be BigDesktop or MergedFB then i guess?06:21
ccookeis it packaged yet?06:21
jiphexhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/displayconfig-gtk ?06:22
ccookethere's little information there about the state of it, though06:22
Carroarmato0jiphex: nope... no displayconfig-gtk in it06:23
Carroarmato0jiphex: ha!06:23
Carroarmato0jiphex: but you can install it! ^06:23
Carroarmato0jiphex: ^^06:23
jiphexi'll give it a go in a sec06:24
Carroarmato0jiphex: it's available in Synaptic06:24
jiphexhmm, well it installed, and launched and I've configured the second monitor with it06:30
jiphexbut now i have two blank screens06:30
jiphexi'll try a reboot06:30
Carroarmato0jiphex: well it's a good start :)   It looks pretty good though.... now if it only would work for you that would be great!06:32
jiphexheh yeah06:32
jiphexi installed the restricted ATI driver beforehand with the restricted driver manager, not sure if I should have06:33
Carroarmato0jiphex: Argh! The Hell with ATI!06:33
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jiphexwell, back to two blank screens after the reboot06:34
jiphex...and now I can't seem to get into the virtual terminals either06:34
Carroarmato0jiphex: Superior ATI product....06:34
jiphexfailsafe boot time i believe06:35
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jiphexwow, it actually works :-D I changed the driver to 'ati' from 'fglrx' and now it's working06:43
jiphexwell, almost anyway. The desktop on monitor 1 seems to now be bigger than the screen, so it scrolls when the mouse reaches the edges06:44
ccookeIt doesn't work on nvidia06:49
ccookegot the resolutions *completely* wrong06:49
ccooke(select "LCD panel 1920x1200" and there's no 1920x1200 resolution!)06:51
ccookealso, the desktop crashes when I log in06:52
ccookeso, reverted that one.06:52
Carroarmato0ccooke, doesn't nvidia have their own configuration app?06:52
ccookeCarroarmato0: it completely rewrites xorg.conf. It works, but last resort only.06:53
Carroarmato0ccooke: I heard the trick can be done with "twinview" or something like that06:53
ccookeWhat I want is two seperate screens, running compiz.06:53
Carroarmato0Anyone got any love from Tracker? Cuz it won't find anything else but executables with me... filing it as a bg anyway06:54
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jiphexit worked for me, found a text file I just created on the desktop06:59
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jiphexunfortunately Gnome is still bigger than my monitor06:59
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jussi01jiphex: have you installed the correct video drivers?07:03
jiphexi'm using 'ati' because 'fglrx' broke and left me with two blank screens07:04
Carroarmato0jussi01: have you changed anything special to Tracker?07:04
jussi01Carroarmato0: ?07:04
Carroarmato0jussi01: have to changed the configurations of Tracker?07:05
jussi01Carroarmato0: no, i have no idea what tracker is...07:05
jussi01!info tracker07:06
ubotutracker: metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.1-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 265 kB, installed size 1516 kB07:06
Carroarmato0jussi01: jup that's the little heart breaker -.-07:06
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Carroarmato0jussi01: I tried making a text file like you and search for it... but no luck07:07
jiphexit was me, not jussi07:07
Carroarmato0jussi01: Oops... sorry, confused you with someone else... ^^'07:08
jiphexCarroarmato0: and I haven't changed any settings, no07:08
Carroarmato0jiphex: ^^'07:08
jiphexCarroarmato0: I don't know what's wrong with yours then, all I did was create a new file ont eh desktop. Now it finds it by filename and contents pretty much instantly07:09
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Carroarmato0jiphex: I still have no luck at all! To me it seems it's doing a better job at finding executables than anything else...07:10
jussi01jiphex: the ati driver is your problem. whats your card?07:10
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jiphexjussi01: 9800pro, I'm trying it with the fglrx driver atm07:10
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jussi01jiphex: sure, thats what will fix it for you07:12
jiphexjussi01: we'll see, booting now07:12
jiphexgah, fsck takes so long at every boot.07:12
jiphexi'll bootchart it in a mo07:13
jiphexjussi01: nope, booted to two blank screens07:14
jiphexjussi01: fglrx works fine with a single screen, whereas ati works with two screens but with gnome bigger than the monitor with the scrolling07:15
jiphexjussi01: also, when i boot with fglrx I can't do anything while the screens are blank, can't access VTs or whatever07:16
jiphexall i can do is reboot with ctrl-alt-del07:16
ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama07:16
ubotuxinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead07:17
jussi01maybe there is something in there07:17
jiphexthey used the radeon driver07:17
jiphexcan try that07:17
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Instabin|workyea Tribe 4!!!!!!!!!!!07:18
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:18
Instabin|workAny one here with an HP DV650007:20
Instabin|workI cant get ubuntu working on it07:20
jiphexjussi01: "radeon" as a driver had the same result as "ati"07:27
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jiphexjussi01: fglrx is still leaving me with blank screens07:27
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Instabin|workDoes any one know if the nv driver will be updated to support the Geforce 8400M07:29
jiphexjussi01: aha,  fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found07:32
Instabin|workjiphex: what does lspci say07:33
Instabin|workjiphex: what does lspci -v say07:33
jiphexjussi01: lspci output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33157/07:34
Instabin|workjiphex: try PCI:1:0:007:35
jiphexah I see07:36
Instabin|workjiphex: Should be in xorg.conf07:37
jiphexwhat's the opposite of startx07:38
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jiphexor, is there a command to kill all running or crashed instances of X07:38
Instabin|workjiphex: http://portal.dfpug.de/dFPUG/Dokumente/Partner/Linuxtransfer/killx.pdf07:40
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Instabin|workjiphex: did that work out chaing the pci07:48
jiphexwell, I changed it, and now it's throwing the same error07:48
jiphex(WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found07:48
jiphexeven though 1:0:1 isn't in xorg.conf07:48
jiphexi can put the whole xorg.conf in pastebin07:49
Instabin|workjiphex your card is agp right07:49
variantjust booted gutsy live cd in virtual machine, seems to get past "starting gdm OK" and then i get an orange screen and a (movable) mouse pointer.. nothing else07:51
variantalthough i can switch vt07:51
Instabin|workim still waiting for tribe 4 to download....07:51
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variantInstabin|work: bah, i dl'd tribe 3 yesterday! didn't realise tribe 4 was out..07:55
variantat least it will only take about 10 minuits to dl07:55
hyljeincremental upgrades, heh07:56
jiphexI don't understand where fglrx is getting this bus ID of 1:0:1from :(07:58
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Instabin|workjiphex: not quite sure maybe its right try loading x with the vesa driver08:11
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 4 released!
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jussi01Tm_T: remind me how to make grub not show the menu, just do a quick countdown and go with the default?10:36
Tm_Tjussi01: it's all in the /boot/grub/menu.lst or some10:37
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jussi01k. I hate it when I cant remember...10:39
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pwnguindo i need to put a bounty on removing the keyring crap from networkManager?10:52
pwnguinbecause zomg10:52
pwnguincampus wifi has one campus wide WEP key10:53
pwnguini care not to secure it10:53
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jussi01pwnguin: use kde11:02
jussi01or install libpam-keyring11:02
pwnguinwell theres a valid help11:02
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pwnguinactually, that second part might be11:03
humboltI am not able to upgrade from feisty to gutsy with update-manager -d.11:03
humboltI have to state, that I did change the sources by hand once to try with dist-upgrade, which failed due to libc6 upgrade failing.11:04
humboltnow I am wondering if some config file that was changed, makes update-manager think, it is already a gutsy system.11:05
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jussi01!info libpam-keyring | pwnguin11:08
ubotupwnguin: libpam-keyring: PAM module that unlock gnome keyring. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.8-6 (gutsy), package size 15 kB, installed size 124 kB11:08
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humboltdid any of you upgrade with update-manager11:10
jussi01humbolt: not me11:11
humboltjussi01: clean install?11:11
humboltI never get past libc6 upgrade.11:11
humboltTribe 4 wiki page recommends to upgrade from feisty with "update-manager -d". When I use that, I don't even get the release upgrade dialog.11:14
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jussi01hmmm, I remember someone else needing another flag, but i cant remember which one, maybe c...11:17
humboltdid work some time, but not this time.11:17
humboltand still libc6 upgrade fails when I do this by hand11:18
humbolteven with sudo dpkg -i --force-all11:18
humboltA non-dpkg owned copy of the C library was found in /lib/tls.11:18
pwnguinhumbolt: did you by chance use easyubuntu?11:19
pwnguinor install from source?11:20
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pwnguinwhat that means is that there's a file in /lib/tls that dpkg knows is there, but doesnt know WHY11:21
pwnguinand since it doesnt know why, it wont replace it for fear of breaking something else11:21
humboltthis is due to the fact the in order to upgrade, apt has to remove the old version from its DB but unlike with other packages, it can't remove the files, because this would break the system.11:22
pwnguinits possible that a) a broken package forgot to register this file b) another program installed that library there, or c) a problem with apt's DB11:22
pwnguinor d) what you just mentioned11:22
humboltso, what to do?11:22
pwnguinreport the bug in launchpad11:22
humboltespecially dpkg -i --force-all does not work11:23
pwnguinthat'll get the appropriate people's attention11:23
albert23Did anybody here install Gutsy alternate CD on Intel graphics?11:24
albert23My display goes weird during install, both in tribe 3 and in tribe 411:25
jussi01albert23: my tribe 2 was fine11:26
albert23jussi01: what type of Intel graphics do you have? I have GM96511:27
jussi01min is just a standard 91511:27
albert23I have seen a few bugs already for 945, 950 and 965. Wondering if anyone found a trick to get the display right again11:28
albert23btw, I did complete the installs blindly, just pressing enter a few times, and now it runs fine11:29
pwnguinalbert23: are you the envy maintainer?11:30
humboltok, destroyed my system again, by force installing libc6-i686 without prior getting libc6 installed properly.11:30
albert23pwnguin: sorry, no11:31
pwnguinalbert23: no problem11:31
humboltnow any new app started produces a segfault11:31
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pwnguinhumbolt: that would be the normal result of --forcing things11:32
pwnguinespectially surrounding libc11:32
=== jussi01 advises a nice fresh install
pwnguinhopefully you've got backups and are experimenting with how to break/fix it11:33
humboltI know. I produced this several times. Will rsync with my old feisty installation.11:33
jussi01pwnguin: he goes by tseliot I think. https://launchpad.net/~albertomilone11:34
pwnguinjussi01: thanks11:34
pwnguinits not pressing that i get in touch with him, but we did just run into a guy with problems with the nvidia driver he installed via envy11:35
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tale_why do the fonts look worse in gutsy than in feisty?11:37
tale_I can't find the font applet in gutsy to change the fonts either11:38
hyljei'm guessign different freetype settings11:38
tale_also, why are we including xterm and uxterm in addition to gnome-terminal?11:38
albert23tale_ font settings are in appearance now11:39
jussi01pwnguin: that is lots of people11:39
pwnguinwho is?11:40
jussi01getting there drivers broken by envy11:41
jussi01gah, where is the bot11:41
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pwnguinjussi01: its not clear that it's envy's fault, they had the same problem without envy11:41
tale_has anyone else noticed that during the desktop install, that if you leave your cursor over the next button, that when it becomes enabled again, that you have to move off the button and then back on before it will process the click action?11:42
jussi01pwnguin: oh ok then11:42
voidmageAnyone else unable to use ttys?11:42
albert23voidmage: black screens? That's what I get11:43
voidmagewhat graphics card do you have?11:43
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albert23voidmage; Intel, GM96511:44
jussi01voidmage: mine work11:44
jussi01ati gfx11:44
voidmagei have nvidia 860011:44
voidmagealso, what needs to be done to get a newer version of nvidia-glx in the repos?11:44
albert23actually, the tty's work fine, I can login. Just the screen is black11:44
voidmagespecifically, one that supports the 8 series cards?11:44
voidmagei'm not sure if i can login11:45
voidmageyeah, i can login too11:45
voidmagebut black screens11:45
voidmagedo you use compiz?11:46
albert23yes, but not always. It still has a lot of problems for me.11:46
voidmagethe issue with that might be compiz11:47
voidmagei haven't tried killing that and going to a tty11:47
voidmagebut it's weird, because my feisty laptop uses compiz and it works fine11:47
albert23I have been trying things in tribe 3 before. If I removed the standard options from the boot line and added vga=0 the tty's worked11:48
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voidmagecould it be vga modes?11:48
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albert23I think so. Some people mentioned vga=791 or 792 would work11:49
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pwnguinany chance that customization can hit gutsy?11:49
voidmagei'm using vga=795 right now11:49
pwnguinive got a 1600x1200 at home, i cant quite figure out which vga to give it11:50
pwnguinseems it's just too beefy11:50
albert23try vga=ask ant it may tell you11:50
voidmage796 for 8 bit, 798 for 16 bit, 799 for 32 bit11:50
voidmagewish there were widescreen vga modes11:51
DanaGOh hey, here's something about blank terminals:11:54
DanaGFor some reason, fbcon isn't loading.11:54
DanaGTry modprobe-ing it.  And if it works, put 'fbcon' on a new line in /etc/modules .11:55
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voidmageyeah that worked11:56
albert23no luck here yet11:57
DanaGI still wonder why that module is not being loaded.11:59
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DanaGHmm, there's a vga mode table.12:00
DanaG1600x1200 is an option.12:00
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DanaGOr you can install hwinfo and run 'sudo hwinfo --framebuffer'12:00
pwnguinit always says unrecognized mode for me12:00
DanaGMaybe the EDID is wrong, or something.12:01
pwnguindoubt it12:01
pwnguinit's a 2001fp12:01
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DanaGHmm, then it may be a good idea to try hwinfo.12:04
tale_anybody notice the buttons not registering actions in the installer?12:04
DanaGThat'll tell you your table of framebuffer modes; I believe then you have to add 0x200 to each.12:05
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pwnguinDanaG: i'll try it when i head home12:13
pwnguini must say, im a little surprised the gl screensavers work at all with nv12:16

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