=== bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PurpleFool [n=tb@ip-136-162-73-197.cray.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:39] can i disable atime in linux ? [12:40] It's a mount time option isn't it [12:40] Which f/s are you using? [12:41] Anyone listening who's running Xen doms under gutsy? [12:41] UUID=6369bc6b-c8bc-4ff5-980c-c8323ee39e33 / ext3 nouser,defaults,errors=remount-ro,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 1 [12:42] s/atime/noatime/ [12:42] Doesn't that do what you're after? === movi [n=movi@qb34.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ThrobbingBrain66 [n=bradley@CPE-24-208-44-208.new.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:46] No Xen users awake then, huh? === PurpleFool whistles tunelessly === nickspoon [n=nick@89.243.254.230] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:52] !atime [12:52] Sorry, I don't know anything about atime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [12:52] http://www.faqs.org/docs/securing/chap6sec73.html [12:52] quite interesting dealio [12:53] any benifits for reiserfs PurpleFool ? i use ext3 / ntfs / reiserfs [12:54] http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 [12:54] about atime === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:57] databuddy, Turning of atime? Haven't looked for a long time. Don't know WHY pvandewyngaerde is turning it off. [12:57] @_@ [12:58] just read the article [12:58] There was a question and I swung :) === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PSILOSSSSSSSSSSS [n=traxa@88.218.84.35] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:17] what u sugg me for a webserver(apache) and mysql [01:17] php,JSP,asp.. something else? === PurpleFool [n=tb@ip-136-162-73-197.cray.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === PSILOSSSSSSSSSSS [n=traxa@88.218.84.35] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === DarkX [n=DarkX@ip72-192-145-48.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sen3 [n=sen@94.74-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:44] anyone else getting bug 130724 still ? [01:44] Launchpad bug 130724 in yelp "[gutsy] No help in Gnome control-center" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130724 [01:44] bug 130920 [01:44] Launchpad bug 130920 in yelp "Page not found (dup-of: 130724)" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130920 === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compwiz18 [n=adam18@125.34.252.91] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu+1 === emet_ [n=guest@dhcp83-103.fau.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@adsl-64-217-216-219.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vlowther [n=vlowther@adsl-75-55-115-198.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mikeconcepts [n=Mike@61.74.203.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:17] easy question: is there a desktop cube in gutsy without doing anything other than restricted drivers and desktop effects being enabled? [02:18] Not quit. [02:18] mikeconcepts: quite. I think we use Wall by default, not Cube. [02:18] So what I have now must be called Wall, I see [02:19] Like a big plane, yes? [02:19] I must find where to increase workspaces to 4 [02:20] mikeconcepts: install "compizconfig-settings-manager" [02:20] yes, like a plane, with a special graphic added that indicates what is happening, cool feature [02:20] now, for fixes to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/129226 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/50214 ... [02:20] Launchpad bug 129226 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel oops after resuming from suspend to RAM" [High,Fix committed] [02:22] Ooh, awesome. === feNNec_ [n=feNNec_@86.62.204.88] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:23] vlowther: Or just update. [02:24] vlowther: The fact that the bug fix won't make tribe4 doesn't mean there won't be a fixed kernel until tribe 5! [02:26] yeah, but give me a pointer to the patch and I will compile a kernel that works for me. ;) [02:27] vlowther: You could pull Ubuntu-kernel-git, and build than :) [02:32] can't resolve archive.ubuntu.com, have checked everything in sources === feNNec_ [n=feNNec_@86.62.204.88] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [02:36] wonder if the repository archive.ubuntu.com is down [02:38] true... but I want everyone to do the work for me! === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ion [n=ion@70-59-224-3.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === compwiz18 [n=adam18@125.34.252.91] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:08] ^ that's got to be against the CoC === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:24] :) === databuddy [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF30A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === onechard [n=chard@ip68-98-192-143.mc.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lch [n=chatzill@84-73-47-244.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-211-160-145.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:45] hi, i run gutsy and automount of USB memory stick stopped working, reinstalling of udev and hal did not work. seen bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mount/+bug/130490 but that does not have real detail about the solution. does someone know what to do here? [03:45] Launchpad bug 130490 in hal "No usb disks at all mount [gutsy] " [Undecided,New] === ameyer [n=cheesebo@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-120-230-100.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ioioioioiiiio [n=goban@ip68-107-157-9.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:06] hi! is how stable is the current gutsy release>? === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:06] (im a desktop user and wouldnt mind a crash once every few days, just not constantly :) === h3lmut [n=h3lmut@ip68-226-88-196.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:15] then you don't want gutsy yet === jshaffer [n=john@tx-71-48-164-46.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d969deda8f400920] has joined #ubuntu+1 === wfarr [n=wfarr@adsl-211-160-145.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:32] k thanx === xsacha [n=xsacha@58.173.233.189] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:34] hey [04:35] gutsy tells me this today: "A new distribution version is available" [04:35] should i upgrade? what is it? [04:36] is tribe4 out yet? [04:36] No, read /topic [04:36] Oh, whoops. Sorry === RAOF thought topic had the tribe4 eta. [04:37] alexis600: Anyway, soon. You can test the CD images if you like :) [04:37] hehe [04:37] so does anyone know what this 'Version upgrade' is? === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:38] xsacha: just go with it, it's not like you'll get ubuntu+2 :p [04:38] i dunno lol [04:39] it has an installer thing and then it says it cant download the release announcement [04:46] http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/9259/here2kk3.png === jimmacdonald [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:36] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33020/ can someone take a look at this and tell me what the next step is? [05:39] IdleOne: something like "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" or localeconf [05:39] stdin, I'll give it a shot [05:40] stdin, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales worked. thank you [05:41] IdleOne: no problem, I remember having to do that a while ago === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === necronekostar [n=starz@unaffiliated/databuddy] has joined #ubuntu+1 === malnilion [n=malnilio@adsl-70-233-254-190.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tretle_ [n=tretle@78.16.76.118] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1D5C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === boredandblogg|GA [n=nali@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rosensturm [n=rosenstu@S010600119502636d.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:18] Do the binary nvidia drivers in Gutsy support the 8600 GTS card? === PurpleFool [n=tb@ip-136-162-73-197.cray.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mloki_ [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:24] Any Xen users awake atm? === tretle__ [n=tretle@192.122.223.188] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:25] Or how about someone with kernel package building experience? [06:25] rosensturm: No, sadly. [06:25] rosensturm: Basically, the new drivers have horrible, annoying regressions. [06:26] rosensturm: The bug you want to be tracking is: bug 120943 [06:26] Launchpad bug 120943 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Update nvidia-glx-new package to latest 100 series driver" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120943 === se7en^Of^9 [n=se7enofn@125-24-159-245.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:29] what do i do if i have unmet dependencis [06:29] ython-qt3: Depends: python-sip4 (>= 4.7) but 4.6-1ubuntu3 is installed === boredand1logg|GA [n=nali@c-24-98-177-125.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:30] se7en^Of^9: Wait until they're fixed. [06:31] RAOF: how i cant so sudo apt-get upgrade anymore [06:31] se7en^Of^9: This is normal, and will happen all the time in Gutsy testing [06:32] se7en^Of^9: You wait until the fixed packages are uploaded, and then it works again. === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:32] ok thanks that's easy === jimmacdonald [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === defendguin [n=justin@ip5-155.tvmax-fiber-1.hou.ygnition.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:52] how come in gutsy under preferred applications there is not place to define what happens when a DVD is inserted? [06:53] defendguin: Because that's Removable Devices and Media [06:54] hmm [06:55] You could mount a case for that functionality to be merged, I guess. [06:58] i'm not sure what title would fit both of those menu items [07:01] anyone know where the Xen heads hang out? === Sebastian [n=sb@p5088D4F4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:02] Hi, can someone with gutsy check if /etc/fstab line for mounting root containts "noatime"? [07:02] Not for me it doesn't [07:02] okay [07:03] mine does, but that's because I d [07:03] *added it [07:03] Do you know if it safe to add for feisty used on a notebook? [07:03] safe enough I guess [07:04] Skrot-: It does if you add it, and you can do that in the alternate installer. [07:04] Skrot-: If you have to ask, it's not yet safe enough :) [07:04] I'll give it a shot though =) [07:05] I was asking because of http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148 by the way [07:05] That's what a dev release is for, right? Testing what makes things go b00m? [07:05] PurpleFool: Indeed. === mattyv [n=mattyv@220-253-150-80.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === calc [n=ccheney@conr-adsl-209-169-124-200.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:11] Is there a good tutorial for kernel package building using the debian/ubuntu tools? [07:11] PurpleFool: There was one on wiki.ubuntu.com [07:11] PurpleFool: But I think the one I'm thinking of is obsolete now. [07:12] Anyway, searching wiki.ubuntu.com (or help.ubuntu.com) is probably the way to go. [07:12] I'll take a gander anyway. [07:13] Right now I have a synaptic instance running that's spitting out lots of : [07:13] Warning, failed to load: package-availableIcon 'package-available' not present in theme [07:13] And not, obviously, displaying the icons in the panel. Is it worth bugging that sort of dependency issue? [07:14] I'm pretty sure it's a simple dependency [07:17] now to see if I can semi-easily get gutsy to boot from a USB HD [07:19] in gutsy which package do i need for totem using gst to be able to play a DVD i can play a DVD from other apps but totem tells me to install the necessary plugins === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:21] defendguin: do you want to play commercial dvds, or just non-drm ones? [07:21] commercial === ameyer reminds defendguin that playing commercial dvds in linux is a felony punishable by 2 years in jail in the us [07:21] gst won't be a go then, install totem xine [07:22] or vlc/mplayer [07:22] mattyv: gst was able to do it in the past [07:23] I was trying recently, totem doesn't like it. If you want to try, install at libdvdread then run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh === FliesLikeABrick_ [n=Ryan@adsl-76-224-34-142.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:25] totem-gst has always done it for me [07:25] ameyer: is dvdcss illegal in the US, I thought that it was just theoretically illegal [07:26] DMCA, unfortunately [07:26] stdin: It is actively illegal to break copy-protection. [07:26] they haven't shown much interest in prosecuting it though [07:26] Not just to distribute, but also to use. [07:27] y'know, the federal government is violating the DMCA? [07:27] I downloaded acidrip from anl.gov :) === stdin is glad he doesn't live in the US [07:27] stdin: Where do you live? === RAOF is sad that it's *worse* in .AU [07:28] in the UK [07:29] the EU is much more restrictive on software patients (making them that is, not enforcing them) [07:29] i guess i will just use elisa when i want to play a dvd [07:30] Just trying right now, totem-gst + libdvdread3 + libdvdcss2...I get some sound, but still a msg about not having the appropriate plugins [07:32] totem-gst worked in feisty === Bubble [n=Bubble@unaffiliated/bubble] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:35] Didn't the wiki suggest xine? [07:36] Unless that's outdated [07:37] try vlc [07:38] I've got mplayer on here from a month ago when I needed to play something, that works fine [07:41] Ah, this is what I was thinking of with totem-gst from the wiki: "Note : While Totem-gstreamer can play a DVD automatically when it is inserted into the DVD drive, it cannot navigate the DVD nor play it by selecting Movie Play Disc 'DVD Name'. " [07:42] i remember it being able to navigate a dvd menu in feisty === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:46] is it possible for ubuntu to be as compatible as windows === ICU [n=me@sechzig.dd.ewetel.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:46] in what was in windows "compatible" that linux isn't ? === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:48] ion: No. [07:48] ion: I think you already know the answer. === stdin doesn't understand the question [07:48] what i mean is, when will ubuntu "support it all" [07:48] sorry [07:48] ion: Never. [07:48] When windows using proper standards [07:48] support what all? [07:48] *uses [07:49] support all hardware === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:49] ion: Alternatively, when hell freezes over and all companies provide good linux drivers. [07:49] ion: A similar question can be asked of Windows, of course :) [07:49] ion: ask the hardware vendors to make linux drivers as well as windows drivers [07:49] it really pisses me off that windows can run shit and *nix cant run it all [07:50] ion: Ubuntu supports much more hardware out of the box than windows. [07:50] it's not our fault that we have to reverse engineer hardware drivers [07:50] cool === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:50] im glade the *nix community is getting bigger [07:50] and, yes, windows out-of-the-box only supports the most generic things [07:50] i hope it hits well with dell === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:51] No1Viking: connection issues? === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-18-203-65.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:52] stdin: Naah, me testing a script that I got working now. Am sorry for the logins. [07:52] which chmod lets everyone have permission to a folder and all it's directories [07:53] what? folder = directory [07:53] and probably "777" or "a+rwx" [07:53] which chmod lets everyone have permission to those files and all directories inside [07:54] add -R to make it recursive [07:54] chmod 777 ? [07:55] stdin ^ [07:55] is there allot of people that handle the coding of ubuntu and bug fixes [07:55] corevette: for recursive "chmod -R 777 directory" [07:56] ion: yeah, a lot [07:56] Note that chmodding your /home to 777 will break stuff. [07:56] didn't windows 2000 have issues with out of the box nic compatibility? [07:56] will make things insecure too [07:57] like I think it didn't support the realtek 8139 chipset that is/was extremely common? [07:57] You almost never want to unconditially set the executable bit, anyway. The +X option is cool for that: executable if it's a directory, or is executable for someone else. [08:00] how do you restart apache2 [08:00] sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart :) [08:01] what is hte command/ [08:01] ^^^^ [08:02] RAOF: apache -k restart [08:02] RAOF: apache2 -k restart [08:03] corevette: I suppose you could use that, too. I always use the init.d scripts :) [08:04] "apache2ctl restart" === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-2-126.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === keram` [n=keram`@cpe-76-87-180-5.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === PurpleFool [n=tb@ip-136-162-73-197.cray.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === kousotu [n=kousotu@adsl-68-79-10-67.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mattyv [n=mattyv@220-253-150-80.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [08:36] [01:35] anyone know where I ca get wi-fi radar for gutsy? === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-2-126.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag^ [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [08:37] !info wifi-radar [08:37] wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 38 kB, installed size 232 kB [08:37] kousotu: there ^ [08:38] ah kool [08:38] um... [08:38] I need dvd help [08:38] it won't work. [08:38] !dvd [08:38] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [08:38] did all that [08:38] see those links [08:38] I did all that [08:39] then what do you mean "won't work"? does it not want to get a job or pay rent? [08:39] stdin: That's a perfect opportunity for !doesntwork [08:39] !doesntwork [08:39] Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too. [08:39] lol === ajmorris_ [i=ddpl@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:40] it won't read the dvds saying I'm mising plugins or something like that [08:40] er... [08:40] codecs [08:40] I thin [08:40] think* [08:40] what won't? what app? [08:40] todem [08:41] whaever gutst defaults to [08:41] gutsy* [08:41] gutsy what? I don't know if you use ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu... you have to say [08:41] ubuntu [08:41] reg === Ayabara [n=anr@194.196.35.3] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:42] have you tried installing the ubuntu-restricted-extras package ? [08:43] yes [08:45] have you got dvdcss2 ? [08:46] yes [08:46] I have 3 as well === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:46] hey Hobbsee [08:46] then it "should" work [08:46] stdin: but it doesn't [08:47] maybe try with another app, I don't use gnome so I don't know === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.142.50.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [08:47] kousotu: vlc should work well with dvds [08:48] heya [08:48] sudo aptget install vlc? [08:49] yep === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:49] well, apt-get but yeah [08:50] typoed [08:50] lol [08:50] I am kindabusy atm [08:50] lol [08:51] how do I change text color on the desktop? === Xemanth [n=xemanth@hostg165.hamk.fi] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [08:54] no answer to that? === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:57] I don't know, I don't run gnome [08:58] lol [08:58] k [08:58] it it posible/ [08:58] unless it's changed very recently, it's not possible [08:59] nautilus uses white text with a black shadow to attempt to give contrast whatever the background === enyc_ [n=enyc@router.1.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:03] crdlb: my test is black [09:03] I use ubuntu at work, and I'm aching to try out gutsy. is it "stable enough" to use on a daily basis? [09:04] If you have to ask, the answer is no :) [09:05] Ayabara: no. that's why the /topic is in place [09:05] then again, ooo may work now [09:07] RAOF, Hobbsee, ok. by stable enough, I meant that I'm prepared to have some crashes and problems :-) [09:07] Ayabara: if you can do without an office suite at work, etc.... [09:07] It may still eat data, even data not managed by it. [09:08] It probably won't, but it can. [09:08] ah yes, i'm wondering why ooo was mangling my data [09:08] No, that's just ooo :P [09:08] Hobbsee: I use it as my 2nd os [09:09] no crashes yet [09:09] had it about 2 weks [09:09] sounds like maybe I should wait a couple of weeks :-) [09:09] thanks for scaring me ;-) === enyc [n=enyc@1337.whitehorse.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:09] kousotu: hm? [09:09] Ayabara: well, it mostly works. just, things do break, usually when you're requiring them to work [09:09] "I'm aching to try out gutsy. is it "stable enough" to use on a daily basis?" [09:10] murphy's law and all [09:10] kousotu: ah yes, if it's the second OS, then you have something to fall back on [09:10] which is usually OK [09:10] but to run it as the sole one... [09:10] Hobbsee: I mainly use WinXP [09:10] but that's cause I ame on winXP [09:11] so my XP patrion have 30+gb [09:11] well, and I must add.. sound actually WORKS on XP [09:11] lol === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:17] hiiiiiiiiiiiiii Hobbsee :3 [09:17] kousotu: make it your third os then :> [09:18] hey databuddy [09:18] mm [09:19] i noticed in my feisty install vs my gutsy install that in feisty i cant have the i810 and the intel xorg drivers in at the same time while in gutsy i can - [09:19] kinda wierd :P === rockets [n=rockets@66.17.190.66] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ajmorris_ [i=uksioo@static-ip-85-25-147-217.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Zdra [n=zdra@226.209-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === sen3 [n=sen@94.74-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:32] databuddy: what are you talking about? === allbert [n=allberto@60.53.38.38] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:35] I ned help making javawork on Firefox === sen3 [n=sen@94.74-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:49] Hey has tribe 4 been posted yet? [09:50] Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 3 Released!" [09:50] rockets: no [09:51] Hobbsee: ppl need to read the topic lol [09:51] kousotu: true. but they dont seem to like to do that [09:51] rockets: you can always help with testing [09:52] kousotu, the topic is INSTANTANEOUSLY updated the moment its released? there couldnt be any delay? [09:52] theoretically i mean [09:52] rockets: not likely [09:52] rockets: yes. [09:52] rockets: usually because i do it. [09:52] heh [09:52] lol [09:52] rockets: along with other topics [09:52] Hobbsee, so who are you, out of curiosity [09:53] rockets: besides, there's different stages of releasing [09:53] rockets: i'm a green alien. [09:53] to the ubuntu project i mean === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:53] Oh man, Gutsy comes out on my birthday! [09:53] rockets: i'm one of the people on the release team, a core dev, a motu, involved in kubuntu development, universe packages, bugsquad from time to time, and bits and pieces of irc oping. [09:53] I'll have like . . . a double party. [09:54] Hobbsee, cool! [09:54] how's that for an answer? :) [09:54] I work on bling? [09:54] motu? [09:54] :P [09:54] Hobbsee: it is fine, but maybe it would be easier to list what you are *not* doing :) [09:55] coNP: hah. theres' still a heck of a lot of that [09:55] kousotu, masters of the universe [09:55] !motu | kousotu [09:55] kousotu: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [09:55] ah... [09:55] coulda just said dev [09:55] lol === cyphase_ [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:55] Amaranth: Seen !nouveau? [09:56] !nouveau [09:56] Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support. Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive [09:56] Of course you have. *Tested* nouveau? :) [09:56] No :P [09:56] Hobbsee, you might be a good person to ask this then. Will ubuntu accept ruby based software packages to main? I remember reading they prefer python [09:57] rockets: yes. ruby would have to be in main [09:57] rockets: it's not a case of "we only accept python packages" [09:57] so for writing new stuff, most people will write it in python [09:57] but it's not a must [09:57] Hobbsee, i dont mean the ruby language itself [09:57] i mean other stuff written in ruby === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:57] RAOF: I see you chickened out and didn't go for the mesa update too :) [09:58] rockets: indeed. i'm saying "as long as the deps are in main, then sure" [09:58] Amaranth: Not when you can locally build mesa [09:58] ruby? @_@ got me confuzzled with someone lol [09:58] RAOF: not worth it for glxgears :) [09:58] Amaranth: Also, not until nouveau does something more impressive than glxgears :) [09:59] RAOF: did you see intel does redirected glx now? === pwuertz [n=pwuertz@ares.inter2.wohnheim.uni-mainz.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:59] earthquake!!!! socal rox [09:59] RAOF: I mean, you have to build from like 4 experimental branches to get it but still [09:59] As in, GLX under compiz works right? [09:59] RAOF: right [09:59] Man, it's all coming together :) [10:00] I'll build the git drm drivers if you want to provide the rest :P [10:00] RAOF: http://hoegsberg.blogspot.com/2007/08/redirected-direct-rendering.html [10:00] Hobbsee, ah yeah cool [10:00] thanks [10:00] RAOF: intel apparently does textured video on i915 and higher too [10:00] RAOF: but only if you use exa [10:00] EXA FTW! [10:00] and it's done that for ages [10:00] but since exa is still broken no one ever noticed [10:01] Heh. [10:02] night all [10:03] RAOF: want to do me a favour? [10:03] Hobbsee: Depends on the favour :) [10:04] RAOF: writing up the release notes for t4? :) [10:04] When are they due? === RAOF really has no idea what's in T4, too [10:05] Hmm, I've attempted to install nvidia-glx-new and linux-restricted-modules-generic (and -common), and X refuses to start. Complains about a missing "wfb" module, thus X refuses to start. What's weird, is if I try to modprobe nvidia, it gives me "FATAL: Error running install command for NVIDIA." === MenZa [n=bofh@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [10:05] MenZa: 8800 card? [10:06] RAOF: few hours. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4 [10:06] RAOF: (watch #ubuntu-devel) [10:06] RAOF: as in, there's a list of stuff there, it just needs fleshing out [10:06] Hobbsee: Uuum. Maybe. === MenZa [n=bofh@last.fm/subscriber/pdpc.student.MenZa] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ameyer [n=cheesebo@adsl-75-57-176-212.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:07] Hobbsee: I'll check that out. [10:07] Any replies to my query? I appear to have mistakenly parted the channel -_- [10:08] RAOF: cool, tahnks [10:08] MenZa: 8800 card? [10:08] Hobbsee: will http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=pidgin-libnotify work on gutsy? [10:08] RAOF: 7950GT [10:08] kousotu: that's already in gutsy. [10:08] RAOF: It's worked in the past. [10:08] kousotu: that version may, but i dont see the point of it [10:08] (brb) [10:08] Hobbsee: I didn't see it.. [10:09] !info pidgin-libnotify [10:09] pidgin-libnotify: display notification bubbles in pidgin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 232 kB [10:09] sarah@LongPointyStick:/storage/isos$ madison pidgin-libnotify [10:09] pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Packages [10:09] od.. [10:09] pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Packages [10:09] pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au gutsy/universe Sources [10:09] pidgin-libnotify | 0.13-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources [10:09] you spam-a-holic Hobbsee :p [10:09] LogPointyStick? lol [10:11] stdin: bite me :P === Hobbsee attacks stdin with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:11] lol [10:11] Back. [10:11] Hobbsee: Actually, I'll be doing something with jml this evening. Can you find someone else? [10:12] RAOF: yeah, OK. [10:12] Hobbsee: The alternative is I try to look at it after I'm finished with jml, which is likely to be 10ish or so. [10:12] Hobbsee: ty, didn't see it lasttim I looked [10:12] RAOF: i expect that'll be too late. no problem === stdin counts the lines of Hobbsee's post, 1-2-3-4 [10:12] http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Quakes/ci14312160.php [10:12] I had a small issue last night, which appeared to remove pretty much all packages installed on my system. [10:13] that's more than the limit, Hobbsee should kick herself :p [10:13] It was amusing. [10:13] lol [10:13] Especially since, being the idiot I am, I run Gutsy on my main system :D [10:13] Hobbsee: I prefer to know when/where my friends are [10:13] I did so with Dapper, too. [10:13] MenZa: i do that too [10:13] \o/ [10:13] kousotu: hm? [10:14] [03:08] kousotu: that version may, but i dont see the point of it [10:14] I'm tempted to use the nv driver for now [10:14]