[01:07] <oldmanstan> j1mc: any suggestions on what i should work on next in the xubuntu docs now that printing has made progress?
[01:09] <oldmanstan> applications.xml needs updating it would seem, at least for gutsy since gaim is pidgin now
[01:20] <fijam_> oldmanstan, have a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Assignments
[01:21] <fijam_> pick one and start digging, if in doubt email either j1mc, Admiral_Chicaco, me or ubuntu-doc
[01:22] <fijam_> it's 1AM here and I feel rather sleepy. see you.
[01:22] <oldmanstan> thanks!
[02:54] <oldmanstan> in the office.xml doc do we want to mention stuff like the fact that gnome office may run faster than OOo?
[02:56] <nixternal> nope
[02:56] <nixternal> sounds like a personal opinion
[02:57] <oldmanstan> haha, a personal opinion with a wealth of anecdotal evidence, but yes, a personal opinion
[02:58] <oldmanstan> i wasn't suggesting stating it as a fact though, only as a suggestion, sorta like how xubuntu itself is suggested for people with low-end hardware
[02:58] <nixternal> making it a suggestion makes the documentation feel personalized..we don't want that
[02:58] <nixternal> I am currently going through a ton of KDE docs where developers thought they could document
[02:59] <nixternal> I am seeing documents with :), LOL, HAHA, and what else in it
[02:59] <nixternal> and don't use "I"
[02:59] <oldmanstan> ok, so we're aiming professional, that's cool, just a curiosity
[03:02] <oldmanstan> another question: are we leaving the "add application" links? they don't seem to work
[03:59] <oldmanstan> j1
[03:59] <oldmanstan> oops...
[04:00] <oldmanstan> j1mc: thunder was just to make it shorter, some of the others are shortened like that, should i change them? or is short ok?
[04:03] <Admiral_laptop> oldmanstan: whats the question
[04:07] <oldmanstan> the most recent one was about a patch, i made a section id "thunder" instead of "thunderbird" b/c it was shorter
[04:08] <oldmanstan> some of the others in the doc already were like this, i wanted to see if i should change all of them
[04:09] <oldmanstan> the question before that was whether we should leave "add application" links in the docs, when i open them in yelp the links dont work so i wasn't sure if maybe they only worked in ubuntu or something
[04:10] <Admiral_laptop> change all of them
[04:10] <Admiral_laptop> oldmanstan: its a problem with the linking i think
[04:10] <Admiral_laptop> i'll have to look at it a bit more some other time
[04:11] <oldmanstan> ok, i'll just leave them for now then
[04:11] <oldmanstan> rather than possibly reinventing the wheel
[04:11] <oldmanstan> i'll change the ids though
[04:11] <Admiral_laptop> okay
[04:12] <Admiral_laptop> hiya jjesse
[04:15] <jjesse> hiya Admiral_laptop
[04:19] <Admiral_laptop> oldmanstan: looks like a question for the doc lit
[04:19] <Admiral_laptop> list
[04:19] <Admiral_laptop> like we need more email in our boxes...
[05:21] <bodhizazen> Is this the channel to send folks interested in the mentoring program ?
[05:21] <Admiral_laptop> yes
[05:21] <Admiral_laptop> this is the perfect channel for that bodhizazen
[05:22] <bodhizazen> \o/
[05:22] <bodhizazen> OK I may make a few referrals ...
[05:22] <Admiral_laptop> great
[05:22] <bodhizazen> I am also interested, but I am too pressed for time at the moment ...
[05:23] <bodhizazen> Do you have a quick link for the program ? I know I saw it, but I did not book mark it :(
[05:24] <Admiral_laptop> i don't...sorry
[05:24] <bodhizazen> OK, I can find ...
[05:25] <bodhizazen> It is impressive to see the interest in the program \o/
[05:25] <Admiral_laptop> me too
[05:25] <Admiral_laptop> it was nuts
[05:26] <bodhizazen> s/was/is
[05:26] <bodhizazen> I think it is a good idea :
[05:27] <bodhizazen> 1. There is an interest on the forums, but there is a learning curve to wiki
[05:27] <bodhizazen> 2. good to build a core of reliable people in order to divide and conquer the material ...
[05:33] <Admiral_laptop> yea we have a lot of people looking at the docs now. we need to have people assigned to specific tasks
[05:33] <Admiral_laptop> the wikis need a lot of love too
[05:35] <bodhizazen> Yea, I am giving a few wiki pages a little love ...
[05:37] <bodhizazen> I have my eye on the grub page, I would like to add some simplified information near the top, a "quick fix" kind of thing as I think the document intimidates new users
[05:44] <Admiral_laptop> bodhizazen: you mean grub pages
[05:44] <Admiral_laptop> there are like a 6 of them, i just looked at them today
[05:44] <bodhizazen> I was thinking of the restore grub after windows page ...
[05:44] <bodhizazen> sorry about that ...
[05:45] <Admiral_laptop> i know, but a lot of them have the same info
[05:47] <bodhizazen> I would respectfully suggest the restore grub after windows page be simplified, moving some of that information on that page to other or pages or more advanced grub pages, but that is just me
[05:52] <Admiral_laptop> i agree
[06:03] <j1mc> oldmanstan: sorry, i was away
[06:41] <bodhizazen> OK, I added a "quick start" section to this grub page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:47] <robotgeek> bodhizazen: good work, could you maybe add a sentence or two explaining that it is okay to overwrite your windows boot loader?
[06:48] <bodhizazen> sure, np
[06:48] <bodhizazen> thank you for reviewing my work
[06:48] <robotgeek> bodhizazen: i was scared for a second after reading that, it took me a second or two to realize that it is okay!
[06:56] <bodhizazen> Better now ?
[06:57] <robotgeek> heh
[07:23] <robotgeek> well, typos seem to be a lost cause. i have been theu 2 documents, and not one error.
[08:11] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: robotgeek * r4217 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Added digikam section
[08:11] <robotgeek> well, ty CIA-32
[08:15] <robotgeek> wohoo, my last commit was on Wed, 13 Sep 2006. Almost a year. It is good to be back!
[08:17] <nixternal> and it is even better for me that you are back :)
[08:17] <robotgeek> you posted in -devel :)
[08:17] <nixternal> and jjesse as well, although he was busy for Feisty with the book, and I seem to have gotten him addicted to working with KDE now
[08:17] <nixternal> ya
[08:17] <nixternal> these people are all Gnome'ites, that's why
[08:18] <robotgeek> i try to use gnome from time to time, but i always end up coming back to kde.
[08:18] <robotgeek> i'm pushing my work place to do new developments in qt4 and python (we'll probably buy a license)
[08:19] <nixternal> sweet...but to buy a license means you aren't doing the open source thing :)
[08:19] <robotgeek> nixternal: well, our customers get the code if you buy the 90K machine that goes with it
[08:19] <nixternal> holy smokes
[08:20] <robotgeek> my company builds testers, and I write almost all of the code on it. from firmware to gui
[08:21] <robotgeek> i make it a point to give them the code (it is mostly written in Labview)
[08:21] <robotgeek> they usually dont care
[08:25] <robotgeek> nixternal: well, the release notes seem nice. thanks!
[08:25] <nixternal> why thank you
[08:26] <robotgeek> i have moved 5 people in my workplace including the company president to Firefox and Thunderbird.
[08:26] <nixternal> Konqi and Kontact! :)
[08:27] <nixternal> although, if you use IMAP, stay away from Kontact/KMail
[08:27] <robotgeek> well, it is still a windows only shop mostly. and doing tech support takes time away from "real" projects
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #131284 in ubuntu-docs (main) "about ubuntu menu item results in page not found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131284
[06:00] <tck> is there anyone in charge or canonical website bugs?
[06:01] <tck> s/or/of/
[06:03] <nixternal> Matthew Nuzum is his name...
[06:06] <tck> so all bugs get assigned to him ?
[06:21] <nixternal> if they are website bugs they do
[06:44] <LaserJock> anybody running Ubuntu gutsy?
[06:57] <pebkac> yes LaserJock
[06:58] <LaserJock> can you load up Gnome Help?
[06:58] <pebkac> what? system --> help and support  ?
[06:58] <LaserJock> yep
[06:58] <pebkac> nope
[06:58] <pebkac> fails to start
[06:59] <LaserJock> blah
[06:59] <popey> manually starting yelp works
[06:59] <LaserJock> are you dist-upgraded?
[06:59] <popey> takes an age
[06:59] <popey> looks like trackerd is killing my system
[06:59] <LaserJock> hah
[07:00] <LaserJock> what a mess
[07:00] <popey> ahh, it did start eventually
[07:00] <popey> sorry
[07:00] <popey> ok, killing that, now System --> Help & Support works
[07:00] <LaserJock> k, that's about right
[07:00] <LaserJock> now the main page
[07:01] <LaserJock> is it all Gnome stuff?
[07:01] <popey> how do you mean?
[07:01] <LaserJock> like Gnome User Guide, etc.
[07:01] <popey> desktop user guide
[07:01] <popey> gnome 2.14 desktop accessibility guide
[07:01] <LaserJock> k, yep
[07:01] <LaserJock> try to do a search
[07:02] <popey> apport 100% cpu
[07:02] <LaserJock> hehe, it crashed?
[07:02] <popey> yup
[07:02] <LaserJock> ok, one last thing
[07:02] <LaserJock> try System-> About Ubuntu
[07:03] <popey> one mo, sending report
[07:03] <LaserJock> heh, you actually use that thing? ;-)
[07:03] <popey> someone has to :)
[07:04] <popey> ah, already reported, good
[07:04] <popey> right, System --> About ubuntu
[07:04] <popey> page not found
[07:05] <LaserJock> ok, thanks
[07:05] <LaserJock> that confirms everything I've seen
[07:05] <popey> no problem
[07:06] <LaserJock> i.e. Yelp has lost our front page modifications, segfaults on search, and can't find Ubuntu documentation (reason why the front page is messed up I imagine)
[07:07] <popey> bug 131284 i guess ?
[07:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131284 in ubuntu-docs "about ubuntu menu item results in page not found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131284
[08:26] <ubotu> New bug: #131366 in kubuntu-docs (main) "Missing a space on string 47 of musicvideoandfotos" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131366
[08:31] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4218 kubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml:
[08:31] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: Add space after audacity
[08:31] <CIA-32> Ubuntu Documentation: LP: #131366