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[03:32] lenkawell: yes [03:32] lenkawell: I have two hours of back-to-back meetings prior to that, but if they don't run over, I should be fine [03:36] mdz, sounds good, thanks === Toma- [n=e17@i156-171.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ian_brasil [n=ian@dasasob.nokia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Todd [i=tebrandt@nat/intel/x-3638d544e61a071f] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === juliux_ [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage === amitk_ [n=amit@85-156-80-188.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === rusty [n=rusty@c-76-27-226-169.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === lenkawell [n=len@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === jacob [i=jacob@nat/intel/x-279cd0df3ff60958] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === jacob-laptop [i=jpan9@nat/intel/x-d232e0ad375e842f] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mfrey [n=mfrey@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ian_brasil [n=ian@dasasob.nokia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Lure [n=lure@193.141.61.201] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cwong1 [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-4240c10a8b1e0926] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mawhalen [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-e9c2e529e150f26d] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549552ED.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [05:56] hiya Mauri, Ken [05:57] Hi all. [05:57] hi [05:57] hi === agoliveira is starving. Those back-to-back meetings about lunch time here are killing me :) [05:58] hi === rusty wonders if agoliveira started working for Intel [05:58] hiya rusty; it's been a while. [05:58] good vacation? === agoliveira is still wating for Mauri's call :-D [06:00] Hi Adilson [06:01] Any Samsung yet? [06:01] mawhalen: Hi. I wish :( [06:01] rusty: yes, absolutely. Spent a couple of days riding around in the mountains. [06:01] I sent information to somebody in Brazil that made me think it was on it's way...I'll check again. [06:01] crazy [06:02] mawhalen: 2 days ago I received an email from Sulamita stating that it was sent but if they sent on that day should be here yesterday already. === rusty imagines agoliveira's samsung being paddled up some remote section of an Amazon tributary [06:02] I won't even ask about mine then [06:02] kwwii: not shipped yet. [06:02] ok, shall we start? Charlie is on vacation and not here this week. [06:03] mawhalen: I already asked Sulamita for the tracking number but she didn't answer yet. If you could find this for me I can track it down. [06:03] Todd - you on? [06:03] ya, I'm here [06:03] Bob is still on vacation [06:03] rusty: I don't know why you north-americans have this fixation with the Amazon :) [06:03] hi everyone [06:03] Mithrandir: Todd Brandt is now joining, he is working on the Control Panel and applets [06:03] mawhalen: ah, good. [06:03] Todd: welcome. [06:04] Hello :) === bspencer [n=chatzill@c-67-189-100-207.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:04] well, looks who's here? [06:04] I've just recently come back from vacation, so I failed to post an agenda to the list. I propose we do the usual; status updates and any discussion items. [06:05] anybody have any discussion items already? === patm [n=pepper@69.26.125.250] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:05] Is Rob on? [06:05] rob_, you listening? [06:05] Mithrandir: I'd like Rob to give an update on what we are doing with SDIO [06:05] I have one: I've selected a starting source base for he control panel applets using the gnome-control-center code, I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on that [06:05] Mithrandir: Nothing new from my side. [06:06] Mithrandir: I'd also like to talk about Email [06:06] mawhalen: sdio goes with the kernel update? [06:07] Mithrandir: what do you mean by kernel update? For 7.10 or 7.10.1? [06:07] no, the status update. :-) [06:07] so it doesn't need a separate agenda item [06:07] Mithrandir: oh - yes. [06:08] let's go through the specs then. I don't have much in the way of updates from me, because of said vacation. Adilson, please fill in when you have something. :-) [06:08] mobile-app-framework: I'm pondering just marking this as "done", since hildon's there, and works. [06:08] Sure. === kinik [n=Gary@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:09] so unless anybody has any questions, we'll move on to browser. [06:09] bspencer,asac : do you have an update on the browser status? [06:09] yeah :) [06:09] good that its at the beginning ... because i am about to leave ;) [06:09] we uploaded a midbrowser update that ships new branding iirc [06:10] now we discuss how to best hildonize it ... [06:10] i would have a question about that [06:10] how does hildon theme its application/program menu? can we theme normal GtkMenu in the same way? === silbs [i=jane@nat/canonical/x-5c5fc02f5ef841cc] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:11] in general, I think you want to use hildon menus, and they'll get the right theme automatically? [06:11] all hildon apps use the same theme for the menu [06:11] which is system wide -- is that your question? [06:11] hi all [06:11] i know that normal GtkMenus are not used in other apps, but it would ease hildonizing mozilla a lot if we could just apply the same theme on GtkMenus [06:12] has anyone looked at the just release maemo browser? [06:12] based on mozilla [06:12] mfrey -- hold that thought... [06:12] asac: but GtkMenu has the menu across the top [06:12] mfrey: I did test it and works very well. [06:12] bspencer: no thats not the point :) ... its just about the theme of the pop-up [06:12] and we have to use a hildon menu to put the menu in the drop-down list [06:12] ah [06:13] the idea is to introduce libmozhildon which plainly listens for the X events hildon listens to and pops-up xul popups instead [06:13] from what i saw in libhildon code it should be not too hard [06:13] to mimic that behaviour [06:13] ok. worth taking a look [06:14] however ... if normal GtkMenus would be rendered in the same way as the hildon drop-down it would help a lot [06:14] asac: I chatted with Nokia guys about something similar, which is to change Gtk to behave as Hildon so apps don't have to port [06:14] bspencer: i think its the most efficient way to go ... but we can talk about that outside this meeting [06:15] asac: yeah, I like the idea. Let's chat offline [06:15] bspencer: well it doesn't help for us ... mozilla doesn't use GtkMenu et al [06:15] bspencer: and we would get full xul'ish behaviour automatically [06:16] what is the diff between midbrowser on launchpad and Mobile Internet Browser on mobiln? [06:16] bfiller: the link is still wrong on moblin [06:16] asac: I fixed that yesterday [06:16] bfiller: the right git repository is a bit in advance [06:16] cwong1: ah ok ... thanks [06:16] so it's the same code? [06:16] cwong1: we have now our own xul window for application in git ... which we don't have in latest release. [06:17] bfiller: it has progressed, but yes ... we release from there [06:18] so source is moblin --> launchpad --> ubuntu-mobile [06:18] is that right? [06:18] moblin has pristine upstream repository -> launchpad adds debian/ -> ubuntu-mobile has ubuntu packages [06:18] right. [06:19] can we talk a little about ETA for some features... or is it too soon? [06:19] welll toolbar on bottom is already in git [06:19] we can actually strip down ui now as we need [06:19] for now we should just assume that the top level menu is the hildon menu [06:19] excellent. [06:19] right. Fine for starters. [06:20] hildonize it is the next big item to do [06:20] it will end up to be renamed to ... and adapted to X events by libmozhildon ... if all works out well ;) [06:20] at least that is my vision [06:20] adaption can be done through normal xbl [06:20] e.g. introduce the hildonmenu tag which represents an invisible menu that pops-up if it gets some event === bfiller_ [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:21] ok. [06:22] anything else for midbrowser? [06:22] cwong1: One factor that I took in consideration when I selected the applications was the capability to hildonize so we should have no big problems with that. At least I hope so :) [06:22] mfrey asked: has anyone looked at the just release maemo browser? [06:22] bspencer: well ... it would be nice if someone could look if and how its possible to theme GtkMenu Popups in the same way as hildon menu [06:22] cwong1 did a little. and rusty too [06:23] asac: ok. cwong1 and I will chat about that today [06:23] bspencer: thanks [06:23] ok [06:23] about maemo browser -- it is a GtkMozEmbed-based browser. [06:24] I think it is a viable alternative to our work, with different goals [06:24] I think we still need a full xul-based solution, which is what we are creating [06:24] but we can also port the maemo browser too. [06:24] in time... [06:24] mfrey: ok? [06:24] I agree that we need a full XUL based browser [06:25] but I have not looked at the source [06:25] for the maemo one yet [06:25] has anyone been able to build the maemo browser? When i looked at it the source was pretty confusing [06:25] but I do like they UI concepts [06:25] rusty: I tried for like 30 min and gave up. [06:26] the project is really a bunch of projects, with undocumented dependencies [06:26] Where is the source -- I can have a look [06:26] obfuscation is their talent :-\ [06:26] https://garage.maemo.org/svn/browser/mozilla/trunk/ [06:26] thanks [06:26] i'm not sure the obfustication was on purpose === lenkawell [n=len@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:27] might just be they way they developer thinks about the problem [06:27] if he had a README then it would make life a lot easier [06:27] mfrey: what ui concepts do you refer to? === asac looking at http://browser.garage.maemo.org/pics/maemo-org.png [06:28] I guess I just mean the integrated hildonized toolbar. [06:29] When i used the browser while at GUADEC, it provided some of the same iPhone like features where you could zoom in on a page... but not as well done as the iPhone [06:29] ok ... yes so its not their UI concept [06:29] It also seems that the code is based on gecko 1.9 that supports zooming (which I think is important) [06:29] well ... we won't be able to use 1.9 in stable releases in the near future i guess [06:30] For the sake of time, I recommend we move forward... [06:30] mfrey: You're right. === agoliveira agrees [06:30] mfrey: maybe thats the reason it fails to build? [06:30] ok [06:30] i have to go === asac waves [06:30] see you, asac. [06:30] mobile-graphics; is there anybody around who can give an update? [06:31] we could ask about the state of integrating what has already been handed over? [06:31] bye asac [06:31] bryce's not here, but I could summarise it. [06:32] he's packaged up the bits we've been given, I don't think they're uploaded yet. [06:32] I'm not sure what's holding that up. [06:32] he's also started on the libdrm merge, merging in the bits from your code into our package. [06:33] and he's going to your campus this week (iirc) to work on getting everything working. [06:33] on a related note...sorry for being out of touch, but did we resolve the Keith-Packard-patch to the xserver, and is that finished? [06:33] bspencer: yes, that's fixed. [06:33] Mithrandir, i have another agenda item that i just remembered that i would like to add to the queue.... its about the state of all the various packages that make up a *-full-mobile-stack [06:34] Mithrandir, bryce will be here today, this afternoon [06:34] ok, coolie [06:34] what about the kernel module needed for the 2-d driver? [06:34] it should be in, I thought. [06:34] amitk: can you confirm that? [06:34] Mithrandir: it should go in tomorrow [06:34] ok, good [06:34] cool [06:34] any more questions for -graphics, or move on? [06:35] A warning: I just received a call from the phone company that they may have to disconnect me for about 1 hour for repairs (a pole in the corner was hit by a truck this mornig) so don't worry if I just become irresponsive all the sudden. [06:35] and bryce will be picking up a crown beach system today too [06:35] oh, great. [06:36] next item, image creation. [06:36] we've had some trouble with the image creator, again; it's a bit on the brittle side. [06:37] Mithrandir, a lot of problems are the result of not having up-to-date packages in gutsy (from moblin) [06:37] problems with the UME build, that is [06:37] we should add that to the list of stuff to discuss -- how to avoid that happening. [06:37] in other words, if you are using image-creator off moblin, then there is an apt configuration to pull from the moblin apt repository (in addition to gutsy) [06:38] if you remove that configuration then you see the same thing that the automated UME build is kicking out [06:38] so we just need to figure out what all packages need updated in gutsy [06:38] there has been a log of work [06:38] I don't see many alternatives but automate the sync or keep using moblin repos. [06:39] rusty: our build host is firewalled and can't access moblin.org [06:39] that's not going to change, so "using moblin repos" is not an alternative. [06:39] that's cool, and it helps us find these kind of errors [06:39] Hmmm... didnt' know that [06:40] but this explains why using the UME images have all kinds of problems that we fixed already [06:40] it'd probably help if you prodded me when you have stuff you want uploaded. [06:40] is there some way to do a diff between apt repositories... to at least see what packages are newer on moblin? [06:41] Mithrandir, the deal is that our build is automatically kicked off when ever anyone commits a change into the code [06:41] you can use apt-cache policy on the relevant packages, and see where it tries to pull from [06:43] rusty: COuldn't you also create and provide the images? [06:43] an improvement I coded in last night is the creator now makes .manifest files besides the image, listing what's in it. [06:44] so that should make Charlie happier and make it easier to see what's in an image. [06:44] I think we should move on. [06:44] Mithrandir: I like that feature [06:44] -kernel; what's going on there? [06:44] Mithrandir: good for testing too. [06:44] 2D driver should go in tomorrow [06:44] I am testing the build right now [06:44] rob_: should I integrate the SDIO patches, or are we getting updates? [06:45] storage driver was switched to piix instead of ata to get DMA performance improvements on jacob-laptop's request [06:45] amitk, you should integrate them, but we need to talk about a longer term strategy about what to do about sdio [06:46] amitk, we've got libata support now working and it's checked in our kernel on moblin.org -- we're in the process of reviewing it [06:46] rob_: great [06:47] I should be receiving the updated/cleaned-up patch for thermal optimisations tomorrow [06:47] once I get the go-ahead I will merge that as well [06:48] So after the 2D DRM, I have two things on my list - SDIO and thermal [06:48] Anything else that is needed from the kernel? [06:48] amik: as you know, all work on our current MSS sdio patch has stopped and we're working w/ Pierre's SDIO stack...we think we can have that working pretty well on Menlow by end of September...but is that too late for inclusion? [06:49] rob_: Sept might be very late yes. Mithrandir can comment our Ubuntu policy in these cases [06:49] amitk, i keep hearing that adding a new feature patch like that will be difficult past the august feature freeze [06:50] amitk, MSS and Pierre's code could reside in the same kernel -- we could put it in before the feature freeze and then provide bug fix over the course of development [06:51] it's a config option would enable one or the other [06:51] rob_: I will have to talk to the kernel team. I will get back to you on this. [06:52] amitk, ok [06:52] ok, anything more about kernel? [06:52] Mithrandir, i've got nothing more === lenkawell [n=len@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bspencer_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-a8569b79d9e6963c] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:52] ok; move on to UI. [06:53] bspencer_: do you have an update on that? [06:53] Mithrandir I too have been out for 2wk vacation and just back this morning. [06:53] ok, so it's probably better if you send that update to the list, then? [06:53] We have two things going: working with ken wimer to create UI, and working to get a simple non-flash UI up soon [06:54] non-flash UI that behaves similar to current flash UI. Very simple. [06:54] interesting; what are you basing that on? [06:54] Ken's will take a bit of work and some changes too. [06:54] the simple UI is hopefully do-able in a shorter time frame. [06:55] Mithrandir: we are currently looking at Clutter [06:55] ok [06:55] you're in touch with kwwii about the theme, I hope? [06:56] yes, thanks. kwwii also is working on a real theme [06:56] he knows much more about this than I [06:56] we need to get the format in line before we can start testing the first stuff [06:56] but we discussed after our meeting a couple of weeks ago the steps to create. [06:56] kwwii: hello! [06:56] ie. we need to be able to start from one large pic in the build process or such [06:56] hi bspencer_ [06:57] the theme builder has that support, as you know [06:57] bspencer_: The idea is to keep the aspect, functionality, etc or do something else? [06:57] I started playing with the SVG - I guess we'll have to take note as we go on what needs to be changed [06:57] Mithrandir: everythin I have seen until now was cut up pics...do you have a link to that? [06:58] kwwii: link to the theme tools? === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:58] agoliveira: don't understand your question [06:58] apt-get source hildon-theme-plankton and look at template/template.png [06:59] agoliveira: yes, if that is what I need to go from the theme-in-one-pic to a usable version [06:59] (hi, guys, I'm finished with the server meeting so dropping in late) [06:59] Mithrandir: right, but that does not show how the cutter-upper works and how to tweak it [06:59] sorry for the technical terms :p [06:59] http://thememaker.garage.maemo.org/ [07:00] kwwii: point. sabotage's link might help with that [07:00] bspencer_: I meant if it the nun-flash UI would be the same (aspect, functionality, etc) as the flash version or it would change the way it works [07:00] I've used it to build my own themes for my N770 in the past [07:00] yeah, if we wanted to simply change the look of the Nokia stuff it would be enough [07:00] but out stuff is different by design [07:00] agoliveira: same to start, then improve gradually [07:00] s/out/our [07:01] but it needs to be modified to match the planned layout for UME [07:01] sabotage: that would be killer :-) [07:01] which means we have to finalize and document our layout ;) [07:02] exact sizes/dimensions etc... and that then only works for one formfactor, so then you need options or alterantives for other aspect ratios [07:02] ok, so this needs some serious attention. [07:03] sabotage: right, I've started to mess with things, but it will take some time [07:03] kwwii: There's the hildon-theme-tools package that does this for the original maemo tools. [07:03] kwwii: I meant maemo themes [07:03] ok, let's move on [07:04] agoliveira: cool, I'll check that out, once I find it in launchpad :-) [07:04] agoliviera, correct, but again they make assumptions on the target screen size [07:04] skipping window manager [07:04] amitk: any update on the power thermal optimisations? [07:04] it is clear that the tools as-is are not going to be enough [07:04] Sure [07:07] seems like amitk isn't around right now, so moving on. [07:07] me cooks dinner for the family...bbl [07:07] skipping USB client, since Charlie's not here; we're then at the utilities. [07:07] aka the control panel bits. [07:08] is Todd here? [07:08] yea [07:08] Basically I have a list of starting source bases that I want your opinion on [07:08] lemme paste 9 lines [07:08] Power Management Power Policy Management (Intel) [07:08] Connection Management gnome-control-center:Network Proxy, gnome-system-tools:Network [07:08] Touchscreen calibration Possibly the touchscreen library (tslib) from DirectFB? [07:08] Screen brightness Possibly the backlight code from gnome-power-manager? [07:08] User theming customization gnome-control-center:Theme/Theme Installer [07:08] Font size / screen size gnome-control-center:(Font, Screen Resolution) [07:08] Hardware button config gnome-control-center:Keyboard Shortcuts [07:08] Volume Controls gnome-control-center:Sound [07:08] System Information gnome-system-tools:System Monitor [07:09] These are the targetted areas of control panel functionality and the source bases I think best to start from [07:09] do they look ok? [07:09] the connection management bits; we've talked about network-manager for that [07:09] are you planning to modify the UI for these at all? [07:09] Todd, for the touchscreen calibration, there is an existing calibration application (that sucks) from the x driver [07:09] Mithrandir: are we set up to do syncs from moblin? or doing separate source uploads? [07:10] mdz: I'm doing source uploads. [07:10] lenkawell: yes, for each one, but we'll use the existing source as a base for how it should look and go from there [07:10] Mithrandir: should we think about having a weekly(ish?) ritual of pulling in the latest updates from moblin? that might be more efficient than coming to you for each component update [07:11] mithrandir: for connection management, what has been decided? Have you already discussed reusing the gnome network manager code? [07:11] Mithrandir: (sorry, I've read scrollback and am jumping around a bit) [07:11] Todd, do you have a schedule for when you think you'll get this in? [07:11] Todd: network-manager is divided into a backend and frontend, and it already works-ish if you just install it on a system today. [07:12] Todd: it seems to me much better to fix any problems there rather than build something on the not-very-good bits of gnome-control-center's network bits. [07:12] lenkawell: not yet, I'm going to port the gnome-control-center's netowrk proxy config code first to see how much work is needed to get this stuff into Hildon, then I'll have a better idea of the overall schedule [07:12] mdz: we could do that. [07:12] Todd: the proxy code is very simple; it just sets a couple of gconf keys. [07:13] Mithrandir: bspencer and I talked at OSCON about doing something similar with hildon updates [07:13] I don't know whether they do milestone releases, but in any case, we should track it in some fashion [07:13] Mithrandir: yea, that's why I'm porting it first, to see how long the simplest possible app takes to port (I'm actually new to the application side, I'm a kernel guy, forgive me if I sound a nit naive) [07:13] we have patches for hildon, though. [07:14] Todd: ah, ok. Sounds fine, then. [07:14] Todd: there's a thread discussing the network manager stuff on mailing list. We can chat about it offline. [07:14] mdz: IFAIK, they only do milestones for the project as a whole and they had only 3 I think so far. === bspencer_ is now known as bspencer [07:15] bspencer: soudns great :) [07:16] when do you expect we can see code drops? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:16] Todd: about control panel, the list is a great start. Thanks for the investigation. [07:16] Mithrandir: are you asking about control panel or other? [07:16] bspencer: the control panel bits. === bspencer looks at Todd [07:17] Mithrandir: the biggest issue we have right now is a bug in the hildon-control-panel code that causes it to crash when loading applets in the moblin environment [07:17] do we have a workaround or fix for it, or not yet? [07:17] Todd: I'll push again on the guys at nokia to help us resolve it this week. [07:18] Mithrandir: the bug is in the Nokia code, so we need to sync with them to find a fix. I can't even run the hildon-control-panel code we have in Maemo 3.2 scratchbox because it's too new, scratchbox seems to only be able to run 2.2.x hildon-control-panel code [07:18] i will make a request about hildon also [07:18] Todd: it is another exapmle of finding the right code -- the hildon svn repo is not always organized well [07:18] our source base is from their "refactoring" branch, which is so new it's unversioned :P [07:19] Todd: ok. Tell me if there's something I can usefully help with. [07:19] Mithrandir, but in the mean time the control panel applets can be developed using the older control panel in scratchpad [07:19] bspencer: yea that was a big problem [07:19] s/scratchpad/scratchbox/ [07:20] right, we can use scratchbox and Maemo 3.2 to develop these control panel apps for hildon-control-panel 2.2.10, but I wouldn't feel right making source drops to you guys without having actually tested them on the moblin platform [07:20] ok [07:20] this is the conundrum [07:20] so we need to get that bug fixed or worked around. [07:20] yup [07:20] agoliveira: any chance you could help with that? You've looked at quite a bit of hildon code already. [07:21] Mithrandir: Not as much as you may think but I'll be glad to give it a shot :) [07:21] I think it is a small issue that nokia probably already has a fix for given they likely have a working control panel now. [07:21] ok, thanks. [07:21] ok, so we could try just pulling in their upstream changes first. [07:22] we'll get it done for next week. [07:22] bspencer: that would be great *crossing my fingers* [07:22] coolie [07:22] move on, then [07:23] media player [07:23] how's it going in that camp? [07:23] I must defer to rusty for any updates [07:23] last I know is I sent new graphics to team to integrate into UI [07:24] the media player is progressing, with a lot of work going into landing the music management bits [07:24] so you don't have the file-picker as your UI for playing media [07:24] we are also getting ready so submit some patches to the helixcommunity so that the helix-dbus-server can be used with the media player [07:25] oh, goodie [07:25] rusty: is there a "functional spec" for the player? I know there's a UI spec, but it doesn't say much about the goals, capabilities, etc. === renatofilho_ [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:25] lenkawell: that could be created. Not a bad idea. [07:26] lenkawell, yes there is a functional spec... but i'm not sure if it's in an easy to find location on moblin [07:26] rusty: is the player going to support both helix and gstreamer simultaneously? [07:26] we just need to upload it [07:26] lenkawell, yes [07:26] the media infrastructure is pulled out of the player via a dbus service [07:27] ok, move on? Seems like the media player is coming along well [07:27] so as long as you have a service that implements the right dbus interface than it can be used with the player [07:27] sure [07:27] rusty, ok, thanks [07:27] the build infrastructure is working, but falling over too often for my liking due to image-creator's brittleness. :-/ I'm working with Adam Conrad on fixing the bugs as I see them, but it takes time. [07:28] a lot of the brittleness comes from the repository of packages, and not really the tool itself [07:29] but when people find bugs, please post a bug on the bugzilla at moblin.org === agoliveira googles for "brittleness" [07:29] I tend to just fix them. :-P [07:29] fraco === chippy-umpc [n=chippy-u@ip152.115.reserved.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:29] agoliveira: something that breaks easily. [07:29] moving on; the gnome components bit is still hung on me finding time to do it. [07:29] ian_brasil. Obrigado. [07:29] so no update on that. [07:29] Mithrandir: thansk === chippy-umpc [n=chippy-u@ip152.115.reserved.ish.de] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] [07:30] hw-decode; is there any progress to report? It's marked as "not started" which looks wrong. [07:30] it is started [07:30] but i don't have an update [07:30] that would be Charlie [07:30] ok [07:31] let's skip it, then. [07:31] I'll mail the list asking for its status to be updated. === agoliveira dreams about hagen dazs' Macadamia Nuts Brittle... [07:31] for the development environment, I've made some progress, but run into some bugs in germinate, the tool we use for generating the seeds. [07:32] as as workaround, I'll be seeding the necessary bits manually, I think. [07:32] moving on to the keyboard; status update? [07:33] matchbox keyboard is working, with statusbar toggle [07:33] still working on auto-launch stuff [07:33] and with several styls [07:33] it should probably not pop up the menu about what kind of keyboard you want each and every time you open it. [07:34] mm... haven't seen that. agreed [07:34] it would make more sense if a control panel applet provided the ability to change your keyboard style [07:34] and clicking on the keyboard just opened your pref of a keyboard style [07:34] something like that, or tap-and-hold to change [07:35] good ideas [07:35] oooo... fancy :-> [07:35] I'll follow up on that [07:35] tap-and-hold would be cool [07:35] ok, that's the status updates, then Mauri wanted to talk about email? [07:35] mawhalen: email? [07:35] I think she's away. [07:36] no - typing, hold on [07:36] Sorry [07:36] agoliveira: Frank can work on email but needs some direction [07:36] I saw that you asked him for code, which we can give [07:37] mawhalen: I already in contact with him. [07:37] I just wanted to get some expectation on what is really expected from him [07:37] side thought: iPhone uses POP to get emails and then puts them into consistent UI, regardless of gmail, or other source. [07:38] mawhalen: As I explained to him, he needed to put Claws to wok on UME with the hildon interface. [07:38] The same I'm working on with the rest of the applications. [07:39]