[12:39] <ompaul> I am heading off
[12:39] <ompaul> the whole talking about gutsy in #ubuntu needs to be managed
[12:39] <ompaul> I have to sleep I'll leave it with ye
[01:12] <coopster> Seveas, I'm going to need to talk with you.
[01:13] <Seveas> I warned you about being offtopic in #ubuntu, and yet you did it again
[01:13] <PriceChild> And were cheeky while you were at it.
[01:14] <coopster> Seveas, I asked twice in the only channel that you were in that I was in, #ubuntu, about my (questionable imho) ban from #ubuntu-offtopic, in light of the fact that you do not respond to my messages.
[01:15] <coopster> Seveas, I am an active contributor to this community, and I actively help those that I can in that channel.  This is somewhat silly.
[01:15] <Seveas> questionable? Don't make me laugh.
[01:15] <coopster> I caused exactly three lines of chat in #ubuntu to be offtopic, nevermind that I couldn't actually be off-topic in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:15] <Seveas> overdue is a more correct description
[01:15] <coopster> Seveas, whatever, keep me banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, that's no longer the issue.
[01:16] <coopster> I'm not some 15 year old who was spamming goatse in the channel.  Over the line.
[01:17] <PriceChild> coopster, after being warned to stop the offtopic chatter in #ubuntu. Did you chat about anything other than support?
[01:18] <Seveas> he only wrote one more line, basically repeating the one line I saw from him before. Asking for my attention
[01:18] <Seveas> after his first attempt he was warned about being offtopic
[01:18] <coopster> PriceChild, yes.  I was given a warning after I issued one line of chat.  After that warning, over 10 minutes later, I issued another line of chat in an attempt to contact an operator that would not respond to me via PM.
[01:19] <coopster> An attempt to contact Seveas regarding a ban from an official channel, which was ignored via PM so I attempted to make contact via a public channel, my only other means.
[01:19] <PriceChild> Ok.
[01:20] <coopster> That I was banned from #ubuntu, a channel in which I actively take part in _helping the community_, over my attempts to contact an operator who would not discuss a ban placed against me via PM is somewhat ... over the line
[01:21] <Seveas> you were not ignored, my channel list in xchat is simply too big and your pm was offscreen
[01:21] <coopster> Seveas, semantics.  That was precisely the reason I tried to contact you in a place where you were liable to see my messages.
[01:21] <Seveas> a little patience does not hurt
[01:21] <Seveas> especially for banned people
[01:22] <Seveas> and going offtopic in #ubuntu doesn't increase the chance of a speedy answer/unbanning
[01:22] <coopster> Certainly, I did not even say a single word in #ubuntu about that ban for a good 10 minutes.  During which I sent you ONE pm that was ignored.
[01:23] <Seveas> so?
 a little patience does not hurt
 especially for banned people
[01:23] <Seveas> I have more things to do than discussing with people who deserve to be banned
[01:25] <coopster> Seveas, I apologize for bringing my issue to #ubuntu, where it should not have been.  However, forcibly severing my contact with the ubuntu community over three lines of chat in a 20+ minute period is unwarranted.  Particularly when those lines of chat were only directed at getting your attention.  I respectfully request that you lift my ban from #ubuntu.
[01:26] <coopster> In light of the fact that I contribute both there in the channel and to the official community wiki.
[01:31] <Seveas> in the light of you being banned from -offtopic for very good reasons and subsequently went offtopic in #ubuntu (and using the bot for that), the ban will not be lifted
[01:34] <coopster> ...
[01:34] <coopster> Seveas, and on what terms is this ban from #ubuntu?
[01:34] <Seveas> in the light of you being banned from -offtopic for very good reasons and subsequently went offtopic in #ubuntu (and using the bot for that), the ban will not be lifted
[01:34] <Seveas> it's in bold
[01:35] <coopster> Seveas, I did not ask for the justification, I asked for the terms.  The length, duration, attributes of the ban itself.
[01:35] <Seveas> there's no fixed period set for that
[01:36] <Seveas> but I'm not going to remove you before my holiday, so unless other ops do it, tuesday is your soonest options
[01:36] <Seveas> s/s$//
[01:41] <coopster> Seveas,  Right.  So in light of the Operator Guidelines at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines that prescribe warning followed by kicking as the appropriate measures to have taken in this situation, I again respectfully request that you remove my ban.
[01:43] <PriceChild> hmm <greenmanwitch> spam.... wonder whether to do anything
[01:43] <Seveas> coopster, they are guidelines, not rules. Given that the #ubuntu situation was not an incident by itself, but a result of another ban, the ban is fully justified
[01:43] <PriceChild> coopster, those are "guidelines".
[01:45] <coopster> Seveas, PriceChild,  I am aware of the distinction, and am of the opinion that there is not a pressing reason to deviate from those guidelines in this situation.  the #ubuntu situation was in fact a separate issue, as i was banned from _that_ channel in particular which ought to be based on my behaviour in that channel.
[01:46] <Seveas> coopster, we don't share that opinion
[01:46] <Seveas> eot for now, not going to waste more time on this
[01:47] <coopster> This is ... for lack of a desire to use profanity and get yet another ban based out of some sort of personal grudge, I'll just say that this is ridiculous, and even more so in that none of my 'infractions' were malicious or abhorrent in the least.  What is the official complaint procedure?
[01:48] <Seveas> you knew how to find the ops guidelines. Complaint procedure is right around the corner
[01:48] <coopster> ...
[01:48] <Seveas> and you don't have to play johnny-be-good in here, we've all seen your behaviour in -offtopic
[01:49] <coopster> Seveas, my discussion of animal rights, in which i did not become offensive or vulgar?
[01:49] <Seveas> if you like to call it that way
[01:50] <coopster> I recall it, and I doubt that others would come to the same conclusion that my comments there reveal anything un-'johnny-be-good' about myself.
[01:50] <coopster> Again, could you please tell me the official procedure for registering a complaint against an IRC Operator?
[01:55] <coopster> Seveas, Sigh. At this point I am sorely tempted just to remove myself from this community, if I were in your shoes it would be curious why I am so intent on not getting excluded from a channel that I did not even actively take pleasure in 'disrupting', unless of course there's some non-sinister motivation for it.
[01:58] <coopster> Ops, dispute resolution team members, at this point I am requesting that some outside ops intervene here.  I've tried to discuss this situation with Seveas, but for some reason which I am honestly not to clear about this operator has determined that I am 'not good peoples'.  Can someone please help me resolve this?
[01:59] <Seveas> hi blinky
[01:59] <Seveas> mneptok, isn't it bedtime for you? :)
[01:59] <coopster> I'm not trying to be rude or demanding, I just honestly feel that this situation is a bit over the top.
[01:59] <Seveas> it is. you should just be patient
[02:00] <Seveas> you're going very over the top with your stubbornness
[02:00] <mneptok> Seveas: 4 more hours of work :/
[02:00] <Seveas> mneptok, fun
[02:01] <Seveas> changed shifts then?
[02:01] <coopster> I've been banned from a community support channel in which I both request and provide support on the grounds of three lines of 'offtopic' conversation in which I attempted to contact an operator who did not respond to PMs.  This is very counter to any sort of community attitude.
[02:01] <Seveas> coopster, now you are just lying and forgetting to tell most of the story
[02:02] <coopster> If I didn't actually care for the Ubuntu communitiy/spirit/cause/whatever this would have been more than enough to make me just leave and not come back.
[02:02] <Seveas> so come back when you can talk like a reasonable person instead of that
[02:02] <Tm_T> err
[02:03] <Seveas> !test
[02:03] <stdin> the bot it sleeping 
[02:03] <stdin> has been for a while, I sent it a !ping about 5 mins ago, no reply yet
[02:04] <Seveas> restarting him
[02:04] <Seveas> host had network probs
[02:11] <Seveas> !test
[02:11] <ubotu> failed
[02:17] <mneptok> man, *someone* needs a hug ...
[02:22] <Xoris> hmm... i was in that discussion in -offtopic, for what i'm concerned i think that guy sounds reasonable enough to get a second chance rather than just getting pissed off and leaving forever. sure he insisted a little, but... anyway, you can always ban him again :D
[02:23] <Xoris> need to head to bed anyway... bye all
[02:25] <stdin> bans aren't (by policy) "forever"
[02:26] <mc44> the leaving of the community forever, was his point
[02:27] <stdin> up to them if they feel they have to leave, not that we want them to though 
[02:33] <jrib> Seveas: hey, bantracker seems to think TaJMoX!*@*!#ubuntu-read-topic is still banned in #ubuntu, but it's been cleared
[02:33] <Seveas> jrib, then it missed the unbanning
[02:37] <jrib> argh, resetting ban and then lifting it again didn't work.  oh well
[02:54] <ubotu> Pelo called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:55] <ubotu> Flannel called the ops in #ubuntu
[02:55] <nixternal> heh
[02:55] <nixternal> just a little bit of lag there
[03:24] <PriceChild> cotton-swab in  -offtopic...
[03:24] <PriceChild> Hi palintheus, how can I help you?
[03:25] <palintheus> I noticed that ubotu wasn't working in -ubuntu
[03:25] <nalioth> nixternal: you gonna use that hat in #kubuntu-offtopic or just wear it?
[03:25] <PriceChild> palintheus, Yes ubotu had to be reset earlier and hasn't caught up yet. He'll get back up to speed soon :)
[03:25] <nixternal> hahaha, I can't even deop myself
[03:25] <nixternal> lol
[03:25] <PriceChild> nixternal, /deop nixternal 
[03:25] <palintheus> k
[03:25] <nixternal> 20:25:47 [notice(ChanServ!ChanServ@services.)]  An access level of [10]  is required for [OP]  on #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:25] <nixternal> lol
[03:26] <nixternal> /mode -o nixternal
[03:26] <nixternal> jeesh, that is silly
[03:27] <robotgeek> heh, i don't even remember what my shortcuts stand for anymore
[03:27] <nixternal> hahah
[03:27] <nixternal> robotgeek just took me out
[03:27] <nixternal> I was waiting for that saki dude to start trolling and mispelling Lynyrd Skynyrd
[03:27] <robotgeek> heh
[03:28] <robotgeek> hah, i have [opme = "/msg chanserv op $C";]  in my .irssi/config
[03:29] <nixternal> you are down south in Skynyrd land, you know you don't disrespect them boys :)
[03:30] <robotgeek> yeah, you probably would be lynched by people yelling freebird
[03:42] <ubotu> nixternal called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:42] <stdin> now that's lag...
[03:42] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:43] <robotgeek> for some reason, i was thinking i dont have ops in #kubuntu-offtopic, but i do :)
[03:45] <mneptok> southern men doan need you 'roun', ennyhow.
[03:46] <mneptok> TOIN IT UP!
[04:49] <CppIsWeird> my laptop after coming back from hibernation reported as 91C... when is the hibernation glitch going to be fixed, and does anyone know if that is the actual temp of the CPU of if that is an error in reporting. Because if that was the actual temp of the CPU, ubuntu nearly fucked my laptop.
[04:50] <nalioth> CppIsWeird: where are you?
[04:50] <CppIsWeird> in a chat room on irc, how about you?
[04:51] <nalioth> CppIsWeird: this is #ubuntu-ops 
[04:51] <nalioth> #ubuntu is that way <<<
[04:51] <CppIsWeird> right, well when #ubuntu stops redirecting me here, then talk to me
[04:51] <nalioth> why are you redirected?
[04:51] <CppIsWeird> until then, i want to know whats happening with my laptop, i dont care who i talk to.
[04:57] <stdin> o_O
[05:01] <Sergiu1> hello
[05:02] <Sergiu1> how to make #kubuntu-ru official channel?
[05:03] <nalioth> Sergiu1: follow the CoC, and the guidelines
[05:03] <nalioth> mneptok: ping
[05:04] <Sergiu1> nalioth: where i can follow this/
[05:04] <Sergiu1> ?
[05:04] <stdin> !CoC
[05:04] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:04] <Sergiu1> thanks
[05:04] <stdin> and..
[05:04] <stdin> !Guidelines
[05:04] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:04] <mneptok> nalioth: pong
[05:39] <maxamillion> nalioth: ping
[05:41] <nalioth> maxamillion: pong
[05:41] <maxamillion> nalioth: pm?
[05:41] <nalioth> maxamillion: of course
[07:17] <elkbuntu> rob, you forgot to reenable nalioth's kill-fu?
[07:17] <elkbuntu> !staff | * Tokal (n=teffen@c-68-61-199-200.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu is a keylogger exploiter
[07:17] <ubotu> * Tokal (n=teffen@c-68-61-199-200.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #ubuntu is a keylogger exploiter: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[07:18] <robotgeek> heh, that was fast
[07:18] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #kubuntu
[07:20] <robotgeek> how come nobody got kicked off?
[07:20] <elkbuntu> bah, i've forgotten how to ban-forward
[07:21] <rob> I've klined him, but yeah nalioth really should fix his script before running it with +K
[07:27] <elkbuntu> gah.. i fail at ban forwarding
[08:49] <RAOF> Hi all..
[08:49] <Hobbsee> heya RAOF 
[08:50] <RAOF> Can someone teach ubotu that my PPA now has experimental nouveau packages?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> RAOF: use !foo is <reply> long string of explanation
[08:51] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Even non-ops can do that?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> RAOF: sure, but it'll be stuck here for adding
[08:51] <Hobbsee> RAOF: editors != ops, necessarily
[08:54] <RAOF> !nouveau is <reply>Experimental open-source nVidia drivers, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at nouveau.freedesktop.org - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/%7Eraof/+archive
[08:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, RAOF said: !nouveau is <reply>Experimental open-source nVidia drivers, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at nouveau.freedesktop.org - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/%7Eraof/+archive
[08:54] <RAOF> Ah, *that's* how it works.  Cool.
[08:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, RAOF said: !no nouveau is <reply>Experimental open-source nVidia drivers, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at nouveau.freedesktop.org - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[08:59] <stdin> RAOF: how about: "Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/  |  EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive "
[09:00] <RAOF> stdin: Looks better, need me to edit that?
[09:00] <stdin> sure
[09:01] <ubotu> In ubotu, RAOF said: !no nouveau is <reply>Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/  |  EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:02] <stdin> now just get an op to apply and you're set :)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> !nouveau
[09:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nouveau - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <Hobbsee> !no nouveau is <reply>Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/  |  EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:03] <ubotu> I know nothing about nouveau yet, Hobbsee
[09:03] <Hobbsee> !nouveau is <reply>Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/  |  EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:03] <Hobbsee> !nouveau is <reply> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/  |  EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:03] <rob> !nouveauspam
[09:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nouveauspam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:03] <Hobbsee> !nouveau is <reply> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[09:03] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[09:03] <Hobbsee> ah, there we go
[09:03] <Hobbsee> hiya rob 
[09:03] <rob> hi Hobbsee 
[09:43] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:54] <Hobbsee> we need some more irc ops for during the au day.
[09:55] <Gary> Hobbsee, what time is that in UK time?
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Gary: it's for the past ~8 or so hours.
[09:56] <Hobbsee> it's 6pm here now
[09:56] <Seveas> @now london
[09:56] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/London: August 09 2007, 08:56:07 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 7 hours 3 minutes
[09:56] <Gary> ahhh, early morning then
[09:56] <Seveas> @now sydney
[09:56] <ubotu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: August 09 2007, 17:56:13 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 7 hours 3 minutes
[09:56] <Seveas> +9
[09:56] <Gary> I thought all you austrailians were to busy round the BBQ
[09:57] <Seveas> it's winter there
[09:57] <Gary> their winter is better than our summer (maybe)
[09:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:01] <jenda> yay, the Czech ubuntu forum has attracted the attention of the biggest Czech internet troll
[10:02] <jenda> ever heard of professional trolls? :)
[10:02] <jenda> He has a blog on which he writes controversial, usually slanderous articles, which anger people, who then discuss the blog, link to it, and he is just raking in the money.
[10:03] <Amaranth> jenda: Dvorak?
[10:03] <jenda> hehe
[10:03] <jenda> nah, this one doesn't go out of teh Czech internet.
[10:03] <jenda> Radek Hulan is his name.
[10:03] <Amaranth> Dvorak's cousin or something :P
[10:03] <jenda> He goes around and starts deliberate flamewars everywhere which further raises his popularity.
[10:03] <jenda> hehe
[10:04] <jenda> He used to claim he has a master's degree in economy and IT or somesuch, but this was proven false, and he is known to only have attempted and failed a bachelor's...
[10:05] <jenda> ...he also claims he has 150 IQ and a 28 cm penis, which has turned his prostate blue.
[10:05] <jenda> And some people _still_ take him seriously.
[10:06] <jenda> And his blog is _still_ very popular, and he still makes thousands of $ a month on it, so he has nothing better to do than to go around the internets, causing trouble.
[10:06] <jenda> He will be banned in a jiffy, just need one or two more administrator votes :)
[12:11] <Myrtti> noooooooooooooo
[12:11] <Myrtti> I wanna see what time it is in Seoul!
[12:15] <jussi01> Myrtti: happy?
[12:15] <Myrtti> yeeess <3
[12:15] <jussi01> :P
[12:31] <jenda> @now seoul
[12:31] <ubotu> Current time in Asia/Seoul: August 09 2007, 19:29:31 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 4 hours 30 minutes
[12:34] <Myrtti> doesn't matter anymore, his battery died :-<
[01:37] <coopster> Nor am i 'muted'.
 ...
 I have not changed hostname/ip/username/etc in any way shape or form, I don't know what you mean by avoiding.
[01:40] <Seveas> troll
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ....
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: why are you muting people in here, if this is the last point of contact?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> Seveas: assuming they're not being abusive/flooding/etc
[01:42] <Seveas> Hobbsee, because he keeps lying and trolling
[01:43] <Seveas> and ban avoiding, and denying that (so again lying)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> if the ban has been set too quickly though, then....
[01:44] <Seveas> it has not, seen the discussion we had? 
[01:44] <Seveas> also, see mailing list for more lies
[01:44] <Hobbsee> Seveas: vaguely.  i'm just asking questions here
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i havent had the time to check the logs, because those logs may have been cut & tampered with.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Seveas: until i do that, i cant really comment on the original ban
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Seveas: but your urge to silence this guy repeatedly now, when he seems relatively doctile is....maybe slightly worrying.
[01:46] <Seveas> lying and false accusations are still lying and false accusations
[01:46] <Seveas> no matter if he seems doctile or not
[01:47] <Hobbsee> indeed.  i'm asking the question "what's driven him to this point, and should it have happened?"
[01:49] <Seveas> anyway, I'm off for holiday in about 10 minutes
[01:49] <Hobbsee> where to?
[01:49] <Seveas> far away from trolls and irc
[01:50] <PriceChild> Seveas, are you ok if i remove the ban in a couple of days instead of waiting for your return?
[01:51] <Seveas> not really, but do as seems right to you
[01:51] <PriceChild> ok
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Seveas: why did dwsr and stormx2 not get banned?
[01:53] <Seveas> Hobbsee, I never just ban, but after those 2 I gave the warning to continue will get a ban instead of a kick
[01:53] <Seveas> so he was warned 4 times (2 warnings, 2 kicks of other people)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Seveas: except for the fact that they continued, yet never got kickbans.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> coopster: however, animal rights, etc, really isnt acceptable in -offtopic - i suspect you know that by now
[01:54] <Seveas> they did not continue the off-coc talk
[01:54] <Seveas> not in the way coopster did
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i'd also apply that logic for stormx2, who would have seen teh first kick.
[01:56] <Seveas> fine -- ban stormx2 and dwsr as well if that makes you happy
[01:57] <Hobbsee> well, i dont like what stormx2 said, hence i would have auto-kickbanned that one.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Seveas: no, i'm just going to say that that ban in #ubuntu was unwarranted - which nalioth removed, and you reinstated.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> coopster: is fine with that -offtopic ban staying there
[01:58] <Seveas> +z?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Seveas: yes.  any particular reason nto to have a +z?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> [21:58]  <coopster> Anyhow, I don't really care about the -offtopic ban, certainly not enough to have others banned with me.  I only take issue with my ban from #ubuntu and my muting here.
[01:59] <Seveas> usually we're not opped in here :)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Seveas: this is true, but in some cases, we want to be, to listen to thsoe who are silenced.
[02:00] <Seveas> the problem is that looking at the #ubuntu ban as a separate incident is just wrong
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Seveas: if a person is trying to contact you, and you blatantly ignore them, then of course they're going to try another way.
[02:00] <Seveas> Hobbsee, once again, I was not ignoring
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Seveas: if you cant reply to people, because you're too busy, then perhaps you're too busy to be an op, and be setting bans around that time.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Seveas: you just hadnt responded to them yet.
[02:01] <Seveas> I was very busy in #ubuntu helping someone get booting and didn't see the pm yet
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Seveas: if you prefer
[02:01] <Seveas> helping people is more important than dealing with trolls
[02:01] <Seveas> but since you don't seem to trust me, why don't you take over completely?
[02:01] <Seveas> To speak with your own words, why do we need trolls if we have you
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ...
[02:02] <Hobbsee> i think you need that holiday
[02:03] <Seveas> Hobbsee, just read up on what happened before drawing false conclusions
[02:03] <Seveas> logs say more than trolls or ops
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Seveas: this si true, i havent read the logs here yet - only the offtopic and ubuntu ones, as they're the only ones listed in the bantracker.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Seveas: however, if you want to take potshots at me while you're at it...
[02:04] <Seveas> who's taking potshots at who?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> you, at me.
[02:04] <Hobbsee> [22:01]  <Seveas> but since you don't seem to trust me, why don't you take over completely?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> [22:01]  <Seveas> To speak with your own words, why do we need trolls if we have you
[02:04] <Seveas> I just repeated your own words
[02:05] <Seveas> and stated that you seem not to trust me
[02:05] <Seveas> and suggested something that seems sane if that's true
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Seveas: i do trust you.  i think you know that.  however, i do know that sometimes we're a bit trigger happy
[02:06] <Hobbsee> and i'm trying to figure out if it was a case of trigger happiness, or if it was deserved.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> (and how much of which)
[02:06] <Seveas> Hobbsee, ah, and repeated explanations about why it was deserved aren't good enough?
[02:06] <Seveas> that to me equals not trusting
[02:07] <Hobbsee> coopster: Seveas is not +o, and so wont see what you're saying
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Seveas: assuming they're substantiated, sure.
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Seveas: however, i have other, more important things to do than op stuff currently. enjoy your holiday
[02:27] <elkbuntu> coopster, i read the logs and your actions warrant a ban. You knew exactly what you were implying in #ubuntu-offtopic, and you have been around the community long enough to know that abusing the bot is highly frowned on -- yet you did it anyway.
[02:29] <elkbuntu> The collective offenses warrant the length of ban you have been informed of.
[02:30] <elkbuntu> coopster, you were informed it would be lifted in 6 days.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> heads up, vbanait is around
[02:31] <Hobbsee> (serial spammer when his question doesnt get answered)
[02:34] <elkbuntu> coopster, see this as an enforced holiday then.
[02:36] <elkbuntu> coopster, then you will definitely learn your lesson from it. We advise that it is your interest to leave this channel for the remainder of the 6 days, to prevent you from the urge to compound your punishment.
[04:30] <jono> dudes
[04:30] <jono> and dudettes
[04:30] <Tm_T> achtung!
[04:30] <jono> can I get a bot to log a meeting in a channel in 30mins?
[04:30] <jrib> try #ubuntu-scribes too
[04:31] <Xoris> jono: fabbione has been idle for a while, but you could try asking
[04:31] <jono> fabbione: ping
[04:32] <Hobbsee> the scribes bot is already in there, iirc
[04:32] <Xoris> jono: not in the channel. ubuntulog is his, though
[04:32] <jono> right
[04:32] <Tm_T> hi Hobbsee (:
[04:33] <jono> ok, its the #ubuntu-training channel
[04:33] <jono> there is a meeting in 25 mins
[04:33] <jono> I have to run though, so if someone could ping someone about getting a bot set up, that would be great :)
[04:33] <jono> also, can someone change the topic of #ubuntu-meeting?
[04:34] <jono> the meeting was originally scheduled for #ubuntu-meeting but there was a clash
[04:34] <Hobbsee> jono: you'll need Seveas for that
[04:34] <jono> right
[04:34] <jono> Seveas: ping
[05:46] <nixternal> gahahaha
[05:47] <nixternal> gotcha Amaranth 
[05:47] <nixternal> I had to do it
[07:48] <ubotu> Xoris called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:55] <mc44> anyone noticed kaldik's part message in #ubuntu
[07:55] <Tm_T> interesting
[07:56] <jrib> didn't we see that one yesterday?
[07:57] <Xoris> he's done it for a while
[07:57] <highvoltage> hi ubuntu operators!
[07:57] <jrib> I thought someone got him yesterday
[07:57] <jrib> hi highvoltage 
[07:57] <Tm_T> I'd say, remind him with a kick when he joins next time
[07:57] <jrib> I would just forward him here if he hasn't been warned yet
[07:58] <jenda> I think it was someone else yesterday.
[07:58] <highvoltage> I joined #gobuntu, and noticed it's not registered yet. May I register it for Ubuntu/
[07:58] <highvoltage> ?
[07:58] <nalioth> highvoltage: i own it
[07:58] <highvoltage> nalioth: aah, ok
[07:58] <Xoris> since when, 5 seconds? :>
[07:59] <nalioth> Xoris: no, for some time now
[08:02] <PriceChild> 3 weeks
[08:08] <ubotu> Xoris called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:08] <Tm_T> Myrtti <3
[08:29] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, lufis said: ubotu: I know this is hard, but you're gonna have to think and tell me everything you remember. You're our star witness. Have you seen spec?