[12:12] <Innatech> so, I can't make much headway w/just a busybox shell--or, at least, I don't see how.  Is there a better way for me to get dmraid going during a server install?
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[01:01] <leonel> didn't had noticed before  ..   Feisty server  has universe enabled by default 
[01:02] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:02] <ScottK> It was by design.
[01:02] <ScottK> Only for new installs.
[01:03] <mathiaz> ScottK: but also for server ?
[01:03] <ScottK> mathiaz: I don't think it was specified, it was for everything.
[01:03] <ScottK> Why would server be different?
[01:03] <ajmitch> ScottK: I was thinking that I was only going to be turned on for the desktop cd
[01:03] <leonel> I saw a bug report today  about the same for gutsy being  triaged
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[01:03] <leonel> :)
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[01:04] <leonel> but checking   there's nothing  installed from universe  
[01:04] <ScottK> Let me see if I can find the spec.
[01:04] <mathiaz> I was just surprised when I tested the latest iso for tribe-4.
[01:04] <ajmitch> ScottK: I think that a server should only have packages available from the supported repositories by default :)
[01:04] <leonel> well I've  selected only DNS
[01:04] <ScottK> ajmitch: Why is it different than a Desktop that also has support contract issues?
[01:06] <mathiaz> the reason it suprised me at first was that universe is not supported
[01:06] <mathiaz> and main is supported
[01:06] <mathiaz> so when I install a server for a production environement I don't want to install any stuff from universe.
[01:06] <leonel> this is the  greatest from ubuntu ..  we can  support  universe  ;)
[01:06] <mathiaz> which could happened if universe is enabled by default.
[01:07] <ajmitch> leonel: not in the sense of a support contract, unless it's by !canonical
[01:07] <leonel> ajmitch:  I know
[01:07] <mathiaz> on the other hand, I've read and heard a lot of time that if you need to enable universe any way to be able to install something.
[01:07] <leonel> and that was the same thing that keep me from installing  ubuntu as server     
[01:08] <leonel> and now  that  I can help to support universe   things have changed for me 
[01:08] <mathiaz> /id//
[01:08] <mathiaz> /if//
[01:08] <ScottK> Here's the spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse.  Gotta run.
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[01:08] <ajmitch> we're trying to get away from php 4 as fast as possible :)
[01:08] <mathiaz> I don't have strong opinion about it... Just suprised and asked around.
[01:09] <ajmitch> all those use cases are for (home) desktop users, too
[01:09] <ajmitch> for a server I'd always err on the side of caution & not enable it
[01:10] <mathiaz> ajmitch: agreed. I've just had a quick look at it.
[01:11] <mathiaz> and it's clearly targeted toward desktop users (in which case I agree).
[01:11] <mathiaz> there is a small section about the command line changes.
[01:12] <mathiaz> and it hasn't been implemented yet.
[01:19] <leonel> is there any news about the  servers down  in ubuntu I mean   doc.ubuntu.com  and how got compromised ?
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[01:20] <jpowermacg4> Anyone know the EASIEST!!! way to install a Postfix and Courier - Email System, Where I can make user accounts and actually log in?
[01:21] <leonel> jpowermacg4: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[01:21] <jpowermacg4> i did the one for 7.04
[01:21] <jpowermacg4> and it didn't work unfortunately
[01:21] <jpowermacg4> ISPConfig wasn't able to be installed
[01:21] <jpowermacg4> stupid php mod error
[01:23] <mathiaz> jpowermacg4: did you have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer ?
[01:24] <jpowermacg4> nope... i looked at...
[01:24] <jpowermacg4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto
[01:24] <mathiaz> jpowermacg4: there is also the ubuntu server guide with a mail section: https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/server/C/email-services.html
[01:24] <jpowermacg4> and 
[01:24] <jpowermacg4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[01:24] <jpowermacg4> ok i'll try that last one mathiaz
[01:25] <jpowermacg4> lemme --purge all this stuff LOL
[01:27] <jpowermacg4> ok i'll try this and see.. looks like a diff setup.. hope this time it works.
[01:28] <mathiaz> jpowermacg4: give it a try. And you find some mistakes in the documents, don't hesitate to correct them.
[01:28] <mathiaz> jpowermacg4: these are wiki pages.
[01:29] <jpowermacg4> ok... i been trying.. i been looking at 6 articles so far.. only seen 1 i had to correct.. and then even then i didn't know nothing about the mysql i setup.. because the ubuntu wiki was lacking some info the other was.. so maybe this one for 7.04 work
[01:31] <jpowermacg4> Glad I'm setting this up on a deb system though... nothing like apt-get --purge remove postfix* courier* and whatever* and cleaning up /etc/ if anything left behind and starting fresh.. LOL
[01:33] <jpowermacg4> gosh.. already missing the /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf ... hmmm..
[01:34] <jpowermacg4> ok new file it is i guess
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[02:02] <jbrouhard> howdy all
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[02:45] <jpowermacg4> gosh the wiki sucked... LOL
[02:47] <jpowermacg4> Anyone know the EASIEST!!! way to install a Postfix and Courier - Email System, Where I can make user accounts and actually log in?
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[03:07] <dthacker> jpowermacg4: There's a very easy howto on howtoforge.com.  If you wait a minute I'll grab you a link.
[03:09] <jpowermacg4> i've done that howto on that site
[03:09] <jpowermacg4> ISPConfig fails to install though
[03:10] <dthacker> http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier_ubuntu_edgy
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[03:10] <Janet32766> anyone have any clues for me? ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 #gives: SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument
[03:10] <jpowermacg4> i assume u running a postfix and courier?
[03:10] <dthacker> yep
[03:11] <dthacker> 6 virtual domains
[03:11] <jpowermacg4> ok maybe this one will work better than the one for ubuntu-server 7.04 with ISPConfig
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> dt.. i had did this whole thing.. http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> but it failed on ISPConfig.. lol
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> so i purged it all
[03:12] <dthacker> what was ISP Config's problem?
[03:12] <jpowermacg4> mod php
[03:13] <dthacker> Janet32766: I'm googling....
[03:13] <jpowermacg4> said mod php not compatible with the system or something.. lol
[03:13] <dthacker> that's just a package and an apache edit.  Minor hacking
[03:13] <jpowermacg4> yeah.. but postfix didn't work at all when i did it.. lol
[03:14] <jpowermacg4> or anything at all
[03:14] <jpowermacg4> SMTP wasn't capable of sending a e-mail from telnet.. when i run the commands like MAIL FROM: x@x.com.. it never responded 250. LOL
[03:15] <jpowermacg4> i dunno what was up, with that.. but that so far is running now.... but obviously no users
[03:15] <dthacker> Janet32766: the mtu number could be out of range.   My eth0 is set to 1500 now and when I run that command with 1500 it returns without error. 
[03:16] <jpowermacg4> janet .. you can't tell eth0 to give you a mtu of more than 1500
[03:16] <jpowermacg4> at least.. i havn't figured it out myself.
[03:16] <Janet32766> dthacker, maybe ubuntu didn't pick the best driver for my gigabit ethernet card.... thanks :)
[03:17] <jpowermacg4> janet are you getting mtu errors with 1500?
[03:17] <dthacker> Janet32766: could be.   Try a search for your card/driver combo in the forums.
[03:18] <Janet32766> 1500 works
[03:18] <Janet32766> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101117
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[03:21] <dthacker> Janet32766: yes, I've experienced that slowdown in production with a mismatched switch ;)
[03:21] <dthacker> are you using the same card as the forum author?
[03:22] <Janet32766> no, it is an integrated device in my dell server (broadcom)
[03:24] <dthacker> Janet32766: I'm afraid you're in for trial and error unless your research finds someone using your NIC successfully with a different driver.
[03:25] <dthacker> hmm, what would SLES do.  I've got a dell with that installed at work.
[03:27] <jpowermacg4> dthacker you here often?
[03:28] <jpowermacg4> i'm a little too busy to start the setup right now.. lol
[03:28] <dthacker> I stop by most evenings
[03:28] <jpowermacg4> cool.. hope to see you hear if it doesn't work.. lol
[03:29] <jpowermacg4> i think yours might work though.. it's 7 pages of e-mail setup.. lol.. or 6.. lol
[03:29] <dthacker> I'd post to the forums on howtoforge. they answered my questions within a day. 
[03:30] <jpowermacg4> so did the setup pretty much fully set it up without any issues?
[03:31] <jpowermacg4> does it tell you how to setup the users and all that at least?
[03:32] <jpowermacg4> that info seems to be lacking from everything i've done.. lol
[03:35] <nealmcb> Janet32766: Thanks for a link to an interesting forum thread.  Exactly what device are you using (lspci -vv)?  you might want to post your experiences on the forum thread.  
[03:39] <dthacker> jpowermacg4: Yes, it goes right into data entry through phpMyAdmin.   
[03:40] <jpowermacg4> ok i've had one that did input to mysql.. but it was sloppy.. lol.. and didn't work at all with the info.. LOL.
[03:41] <jpowermacg4> i even installed squirrelmail to do a "localhost" type connection cause i thought it was blocking externels.. but was no help.. but it was a ubuntu wiki that's not accurate i did it from.
[03:42] <jpowermacg4> i do like this guys how to's though... so maybe his will work for this better.
[03:58] <Janet32766> nealmcb, it's a Broadcom 5754 NetXtreme, do you know how can i verify the tg3 driver is associated with this card?
[03:59] <nealmcb> Janet32766: the output of lspci -vvn may also be helpful
[03:59] <nealmcb> and do lsmod to see which modules are in use
[04:00] <nealmcb> dmesg may also be of use
[04:00] <Janet32766> lsmod shows tg3...
[04:14] <nealmcb> Janet32766: the howto was done with skge drivers - I don't suppose those work with your card??  But I'm afraid I don't have any of the above equipment and that's about all I can suggest - post to the forum and see if readers can help.
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[05:19] <jpowermacg4> nice... Ex-Chat.. lol
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[05:33] <ScottK> jpowermacg4: For Postfix setups, when I was first learning and still when I try something new, I find "The Book of Postfix" invaluable.
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[05:55] <jpowermacg4> ScottK where is that located? and i'm just about to start this thing dthacker said
[05:57] <ScottK> jpowermacg4: The book's web site is here: http://www.postfix-book.com/ but it's an actual dead tree book.  It's also the best Postfix reference I've found yet.
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[06:51] <etam> Does anyone have experience with DL360 G1 with DLT
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[07:15] <etam> Does anyone have experience with DL360 G1 with DLT
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[07:24] <ScottK> etam: This is the quietest period of the day for this channel.
[07:25] <ScottK> Trying again US AM/European PM is you best bet.
[07:27] <etam> Tks ScottK
[07:44] <jpowermacg4> dthacker you there?
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[08:11] <kraut> moin
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[08:50] <stiv2k> hey
[08:51] <stiv2k> what command can i use from within a PHP script to get the version numbers and status (up/down) of services like apache and such...?
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[08:54] <coNP> Easiest way to dump everything is to invoke phpinfo()
[09:00] <stiv2k> nah but i mean
[09:00] <stiv2k> i want to make a page showing the version of apache, whether its up or down, then other services
[09:00] <stiv2k> like mysql, ircd, sshd
[09:00] <stiv2k> all the crap on my server
[09:00] <stiv2k> iirc, phpinfo() doesnt give all taht
[09:02] <coNP> stiv2k: if apache is down you won't get the page :)
[09:03] <stiv2k> yeah 
[09:03] <stiv2k> but i just want to try and do it anyways
[09:04] <coNP> You might work with external calls. Some initscripts can give a "status" that shows if they are up. You can also use some ad-hoc diagnosis (e.g., telnet to the specific port) or base your results on an existing monitoring tool (e.g. munin is simple and straightforward). I would use the latter.
[09:09] <infinity> apache2ctl status, mysqladmin version, sshd has no status reporting, so just a ps | grep might be all you've got there (and a test if port 22 is open), same with ircd.
[09:10] <infinity> mysqladmin version can dump stuff like:
[09:10] <infinity> Server version          4.0.20-log
[09:10] <infinity> Protocol version        10
[09:10] <infinity> Connection              Localhost via UNIX socket
[09:10] <infinity> UNIX socket             /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
[09:10] <infinity> Uptime:                 799 days 9 min 31 sec
[09:10] <infinity> Threads: 1  Questions: 30101170  Slow queries: 2023  Opens: 195335  Flush tables: 1  Open tables: 64  Queries per second avg: 0.436
[09:11] <juliux> morning
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[11:45] <ivoks> man, aren't we blind, or what... :)
[11:45] <ivoks> we have partman-auto-raid already in ubuntu
[11:45] <ivoks> just, it's in universe :/
[11:49] <fabbione> ivoks: it's only raid preseeding afaik
[11:50] <ivoks> recipe for partman
[11:50] <ivoks> this is what was requested at last meeting
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[02:41] <coNP> Hey! I did some security patches for lighttpd.
[02:41] <coNP> Anyone running dapper / edgy / feisty and lighttpd please help test them.
[02:42] <coNP> Debdiffs for these targets are available (bug 127718) 
[02:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127718 in lighttpd "lighttpd security fixes" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127718
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[06:12] <Elazar> I'm trying to configure MySQL such that the lower_case_table_names setting is 2. I've tried creating a custom file in /etc/mysql/conf.d, I've tried editing the my.cnf file directly, and I've restarted mysql after each attempt, but it just doesn't seem to see the setting change. Any suggestions?
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[07:17] <ekimus> hello, i'm on 6.06 LTS normally using debian. now i need a mailer that can send to my smarthost. nullmailer is what I use normall but that is broken any hints?
[07:18] <ekimus> s/normall/normally
[07:19] <ScottK> Postfix can be configured to send through a smarthost, but may be overkill in your case.
[07:20] <ekimus> that is why i normally use nullmailer. our 3 postfixes are configured properly and i just would like some simple mta that i don't have to care about...
[07:22] <ScottK> IIRC sending through a smarthost is one of the Debian config options and so trivially easy to configure (unlike more complex Postfix setups).
[07:22] <ekimus> hmm msmtp doesn't provie mail-transport-agent. that would brake a hell lot of dependencies....
[07:31] <ekimus> ha! ssmtp seems to work... now i gotta wait until all the cronjobs run to see how it behaves with a lot of messages.
[07:31] <ekimus> thanks anyway...
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[07:40] <Elazar> I'm trying to configure MySQL such that the lower_case_table_names setting is 2. I've tried creating a custom file in /etc/mysql/conf.d, I've tried editing the my.cnf file directly, and I've restarted mysql after each attempt, but it just doesn't seem to see the setting change. Any suggestions?
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[08:32] <stiv2k> what commands can i use to fetch the version of certain packages (like, have it return ONLY the version number in the result) and a way to check the status of certain services running on the machine?
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