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stuart-love how linux installs stuff and gets things to work while they're still running12:30
Pumpernickel1.  Patch the install script to skip the 'download' part of the install.  2.  Why do you need flash on a non-networked box?12:31
Jester45Pumpernickel, thats what i was thinking12:32
stuart-whoa, someone nearby didn't turn off his wi-fi, and i can access up to 120kbps on this thing12:34
Jester45stuart-, welcome to my world12:35
stuart-Jester45, no jokes this rocks12:36
Jester45i got 4 wifis that i can access12:36
Jester45plus my dsl12:36
Jester45and just down the street is a hotel with open wifi12:36
stuart-hurray to businesses with wi-fi12:36
Jester45they got pretty good speed12:36
stuart-eh? where does installed programs go to in linux?12:40
Jester45everywhere12:40
stuart-i wanna Open With.. and direct it to the program..12:40
Jester45you can normaly just type the command12:40
Jester45like for mplayer just type mplayer12:40
Jester45linux is smart like that12:41
Jester45but if you need the file they are in /sbin a lot12:41
stuart-it doesn't let me12:42
Jester45what are you trying to use12:43
stuart-application i chose ("null") could not be found. deluge12:43
Jester45you sure you did deluge12:44
stuart-yup, but it says null12:45
Jester45its /usr/bin/deluge12:45
stuart-it asked for location tho. oh okay12:46
Jester45:)12:46
Jester45/usr/bin is a common place also12:47
stuart-Jester45, worked. thanks! off to bed now12:48
Jester45never underestimate the power of the jester12:50
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mrpokHello hello12:57
mrpokHow are we all?12:57
cellofellowok12:59
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cellofellowPumpernickel: to answer question about flash on non-networked. The box isn't non-networked permanently.01:03
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mrpokHow do I stop gxine loading whenever I put in an audio CD?01:30
viddApplications>settings>default applications01:31
viddnope...never mind01:31
vidddunnu01:32
mrpokOK01:32
mrpokthanks anyway. :)01:32
mrpokI wouldn't complain so much, if gxine wasn't such an annoying application to use.01:33
mrpokPlus, I don't really like anything coming up automatically when I insert a cd, usb disk... It's so often not what I actually want to do with the media.01:34
mattgyver83Does anybody know how to use WPA encryption in xubuntu?01:57
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mrpokWhich is less memory instensive, out of rhythmbox or amarok?02:11
mrpokOr how would I find out?02:11
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whiterdoes xubuntu feisty have a disk manager?02:25
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viddanyone know what i need to do in order to get a new lan card to be recognized and installed on my system?02:56
viddthe new lan card is a rtl 813902:56
viddi dont want to reinstall just for the new lan card02:56
maxamillionvidd: in theory upstart should recognize it ... but i guess it didn't, i am looking into it at the moment03:01
maxamillionvidd: does 'lspci -v' say something like03:02
maxamillion"Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8139 "03:03
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viddlspci does03:06
maxamillionvidd: 'sudo modprobe 8139too'03:08
viddok...let me get to it.....03:09
tripppyvidd, if you have more than one PCI slot. shutdown and try the card in another slot03:09
tripppyusally works for me03:09
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viddno dice03:14
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mrpokOK, so the files for this logon (such as my downloads, my documents, etc) are stored in /home/pok03:41
mrpokIf I want to have a directory with files that all logons can use, where would I make it?03:42
mrpokI want to store my music so that I can access it easily, and so can any other user, both local and networked.03:42
mrpokShould I make a new directory /user/music?03:43
mrpok*/usr/music03:43
viddmrpok, you would probably want to use something like /var/music03:44
mrpokOK, any particular reason?03:45
viddthe /var directory is used for network services by most apps...so it is the most logical choice03:45
mrpokAll I know about /var is that it usually stores 'variable' data03:46
mrpokInfo that changes often03:46
viddfor example...apache by default looks in the /var/www directory for web pages03:46
mrpokok03:46
riciit would be common to use /usr/local/share/music03:47
ricias well03:47
viddbut you can store your stuff where ever you want....03:47
ricivery true03:47
viddeven /music03:47
mrpokI thought /usr/local was for this-machine-only files03:47
mrpokThat was my next question... There would be no reason for me not to just create my own directory?03:48
viddonly if you leave it that way03:48
viddno reason at all03:48
ricimrpok: that is the theory, but it's also for files which shouldn't be altered by a software reinstall/upgrade03:49
mrpokI might just make a new root level dir, then. The plan is to use a second HDD for all my music later.03:49
riciyou can certainly do that. it's your machine, after all03:50
ricibut you can mount a filesystem anywhere, doesn't have to be at the root03:50
riciso the fact that you plan to move them to a different hdd doesn't really change anything03:50
mrpokYeah, indeed. I was just trying to stick to logic, and learn something in the process. :)03:51
mrpokthanks guys03:51
ricilogic. what a thought.03:52
mrpokAnd I learnt a new terminal command... mkdir. :)03:54
mrpokWow, I feel a noob.03:54
viddyou think thats bad...i cant get a simple lan card to work right04:00
mrpokOK, I've created the /music directory, but I can't figure how to move my downloaded... err, backed up... music there.04:08
viddsudo cp /old/directory/* //music04:09
viddor mv if you want to move instead of copy04:10
mrpokThe problem is, I don't want all the files moved04:10
mrpokThe directory is /home/usr/pok/torrents04:10
viddthen do it graphicly04:10
viddopen two thunar windows and cp from one to the other04:11
mrpokHow do I give Thunar root access then?04:11
viddopen terminal.....04:12
viddgksudo thunar04:12
mrpokawesome, thanks.04:13
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mrpokSo how would I tell mv to copy this directory.... '/home/pok/torrents/The Butterfly Effect - Imago' to /music?04:16
mrpokshould it just be sudo mv The Butterfly Effect - Imago /music?04:17
viddyes04:17
vidduse tab complete to get the right file name04:18
mrpokmv: invalid option -- W04:18
mrpokTry `mv --help' for more information.04:18
mrpokmv: invalid option -- W04:18
mrpokTry `mv --help' for more information.04:18
mrpokooh04:18
mrpoktab complete seemed to work04:18
mrpokIt came up with some funky thing with \'s before the spaces04:19
mrpokThats a neat trick, thanks.04:19
viddyes04:19
mrpokExcellentay04:20
mrpokAh, I've run across a problem. I don't think Amarok will be able to organise the /music folder04:29
mrpokunless I run it using /gksudo all the time04:30
viddso chown it04:31
viddchown changes the ownership of a file or directory04:31
mrpokSorry?04:31
mrpokah, ok04:32
mrpokSo if I 'chown pok /music' it means that whenever I am logged in as pok, programs can change /music?04:35
viddit should04:35
mrpokAnd if I wanted any log in to be able to access it?04:36
mrpokI can't seem to find it in the man page04:36
mrpokDAGS?04:36
viddchown the files to the the same user as the app you are using04:36
viddcant find what?04:37
mrpokwould chown 004 /music work?04:38
mrpokis 004 the numeric ownership id for all?04:39
mrpokno, ignore that, I'm getting ahead of myself04:39
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viddwb maxamillion04:44
maxamillionthankies04:44
viddmrpok, your thinking of chmod ... that will work too if you set the files to 77704:45
mrpokchmod 777 /music?04:46
viddyeah04:47
viddbut you need the recursive switch in there04:47
viddto change all the files in the directory04:47
viddmaxamillion, you have any other ideas on how i can get my network card to work?04:52
viddis there a .deb file i can use to install the file?04:52
vidd*driver?04:52
maxamillionvidd: no, according to all the docs i found say that the card has been supported since the 2.4 kernel04:55
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viddso it should auto-detect04:55
maxamillionvidd: technically yes ... are you sure the card and mobo are both good?04:59
viddyeah04:59
mrpokouch, Amarok seems to be slowing my machine down a lot.05:08
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maxamillionmrpok: yes, amarok will do that ... it requires alot of library files to be loaded into ram that are not native to xubuntu05:09
maxamillionmrpok: you might want to look into Exaile as an alternative, it is much more native to xubuntu and is very comparable to amarok05:09
mrpokExaile, eh? Thanks mate, I'll check it out.05:45
maxamillionmrpok: not a problem05:47
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rocketsHow well should I expect Xubuntu to run with 256 MB of ram06:52
rocketsI know its designed for that type of thing06:52
maxamillionrockets: should run wonderfully06:53
rocketscool06:53
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mrpokhey hey10:05
mrpokis gtk-gnutella the best option for peer-to-peer filesharing?10:06
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derjenshi everybody11:23
derjensi need to start the package manager of xubuntu over ssh. would you please tell me what is the name of the executable?11:24
TheSheepapt-get11:25
derjensTheSheep, there is this graphical tool... that's what i want11:25
TheSheepderjens: synaptic11:26
derjensthank you so far11:29
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Ben_Csis there an easier way to map network drives than editing fstab?11:46
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Ben_Cshello01:40
Ben_Csis xubuntu gusty tribe 3 stable enough?01:40
ablomenBen_Cs, stable enough for what?01:49
ablomena production machine? no01:49
Ben_Csto do whatever i need to do01:49
Ben_Csproduction?01:49
ablomenwell then id say no01:49
ablomenif you really depend on it i wouldnt bother with it, isnt worth the hassles01:50
Ben_Csso it's just to play arround?01:50
ablomenwell or test01:50
ablomenbut its not a stable release01:50
TheSheepstill has some known bugs and some more unknown ones01:51
Ben_Csok. xubuntu 7.04 comes with xfce 4.4.0   . is there an easy way to update to xfce 4.4.1 ? (it's stable but what is written in xfce site)01:52
Ben_Cs(it's stable by what is written in xfce site)01:52
TheSheepBen_Cs: but all other software included in xubuntu might not be stable with it01:52
TheSheepBen_Cs: you know, applications interacy01:53
TheSheepinteract01:53
TheSheepespecially with a window manager01:53
Ben_Csi see01:53
loswilliosheya01:53
loswilliosBen_Cs: i had the gnumeric issues yesterday, remember?01:54
Ben_Csok. so it's better to wait till October when the stable gutsy will come out01:54
TheSheepBen_Cs: especially when 4.4.1 doesn't really have much new01:54
loswilliosBen_Cs: I dist-upgraded 7.04 to gutsy, it works good.01:54
Ben_Csloswillios: yeh01:54
loswilliosmy gnumeric issue is gone, but I now I have another one :-) but I can live with it01:55
Ben_CsBTW, could it be that xfce is heavier than gnome? i just feel as if gnome is a bit faster on my machine01:55
loswilliosnever used gnome01:55
loswilliosI want to use google-earth. which nvidia card should I buy?01:56
TheSheepBen_Cs: xfce by itsel;f is lighter, but the overall performance depends also on other applications you use and configuration01:56
loswillioswill it work with a geforce2?01:57
Ben_CsXFCE is lighter then Gnome and KDE because it has lees features right? But the developers add features all the time. So in time XFCE will be as heavy as Gnome/KDE?01:57
TheSheepBen_Cs: no, xfce has different architecture and different target audience01:58
TheSheepBen_Cs: it's not like developers just add features randomly -- they only need the ones that re needed01:58
Ben_Cswhat audience is that?01:59
TheSheepBen_Cs: we :)01:59
TheSheepus01:59
Ben_Csus - you mean, the terminal lovers?01:59
TheSheepBen_Cs: but tbh, the first audience of xfce are the developers themselves01:59
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Ben_Cscause right now lots of settings work in xfce is done by manually editing files02:00
Ben_CsCan it be the my xfce desktop is slower than gnome because of me installing UBUNTU and adding xubuntu-desktop instead of installing Xubuntu?02:02
Ben_Cs*that02:03
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TheSheepBen_Cs: I don't think so02:04
TheSheepBen_Cs: at the worst case it would be as fast02:05
Ben_Csso it's weird. for instance: in gnome open office opens in a fraction of a second, when in xfce it takes almost a second02:06
TheSheepBen_Cs: you use openoffice.org-gtk ?02:06
Ben_Csthe one that came with ubuntu02:07
TheSheepBen_Cs: if you want the gnome apps to work as fast as in gnome, then go to settings->sessions and atartup and enable loading the gnome libraries at startup02:07
TheSheepBen_Cs: "launch gnome services at startup"02:08
Ben_Csthesheep: it's already enabled02:08
TheSheepBen_Cs: otherwise, xfce starts these srevices when they are needed, and so the paps that use them will load slower02:08
TheSheephmm..02:08
Ben_Cswell. never mind. thanks anyway02:16
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axisyshi all .. after I login my desktop is just blue with no icon, no menu .. almost blank except the blue desktop04:26
axisyshow do I fix it04:26
zialsyou want... to see icons on desktop?04:26
zialsas well as show the menu panels?04:26
axisyszials: yes.. its all empty.. used to be I could start openning my terminal04:27
zialsfor panels: hit alt + F2 and enter "Xfce4-Panel" (without quotations)04:27
zialsfor desktop icons, go to Settings -> Desktop Settings04:28
axisysThe command "Xfce4-Panel" failed to run04:28
zialsO.o04:28
axisysI cannot go to setting.. there is nothing in the desktop04:28
axisysabsolutely nothing04:28
axisysalmost feel like the screen is streched outside my visible screen size04:29
axisysis there a dpkg-reconfigure for desktop panel or something?04:30
axisysthere is a new .xsession-errors file04:32
axisysit says..04:32
axisysxfwm4:14101: WARNING: The display does not support XComposite extension04:32
axisysxfwm4:14101: WARNING: Compositing manager disabled04:32
axisysnot sure if they are relavant to my issue04:33
axisysI went to alt-F1 to vies those errors04:33
axisysalt-ctlr-F1 that is04:33
axisysanyone has any other suggestion?04:33
axisysshould I re-install xubuntu?04:34
zialsmhmm... and it was running fine before?04:34
axisyszials: yep04:35
zialsand you tried rebooting?04:35
axisysno04:35
axisyslet me try that04:36
axisysbtw I am using 6.0604:36
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axisysreboot did not help04:48
zialscan you run the panel now?04:48
Ramla_if nothing seems to work, I'd try mv ~/.config ~/.config-backup and restarting X04:55
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axisyszials: still no go05:24
zialsmhmm05:24
axisysRamla_: tried that.. still nothing .. absolutely nothing05:24
axisysthere is no desktop reconfigure option? like for ubuntu where I can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org05:25
zialsyea, you can run that05:25
zialsthat reconfigures the Xserver05:25
axisyszials: except I don't know the exact command *sigh*05:26
zialssudo dpgk-reconfigure -xserver-xorg05:26
zialserr.. thats xserver-xorg05:26
zialsno hyphen/minus-sign before it05:26
axisysok05:27
axisysi shoudl have done tab completeion.. duh05:27
Ramla_basically removing the .config should reset the settings.. hmm, i wonder if there's something else05:29
axisysdpkg-reconfigure did not help05:30
axisysis there a way to reinstall the xfce?05:30
axisysmay be that will fix it05:30
zialsdid you try moving the ~/.config like Ramla_ suggested?05:31
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Ramla_reinstalling and purging the whole xubuntu-desktop metapackage would be harsh05:32
Ramla_I don't know much, but if moving .config dir didn't work, I'd try sudo adduser test and logging to xfce environment with that account. Maybe some other user config file is causing it05:34
Ramla_if that was the case, any admin work might be unnecessary if you just found out what it was05:35
axisyszials: I did05:42
axisysRamla_: good point.. let me go ahead create a new test account05:42
axisysRamla_: woohoo! it works for the test account just fine05:44
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mattgyver83Hey room, has anyone been able to connect to WPA encryptions with Xubuntu?05:45
axisysRamla_: which file gets read when a user login to xfce besides the .config05:46
Ramla_i wouldn't know, i'm no guru.. I'm thinking those error (warning) messages you pasted, are they last lines of the .xsession-errors file?05:49
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Ramla_axisys> The command "Xfce4-Panel" failed to run <-- this could've been because of caps, did you try with small caps?05:50
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axisysRamla: i went ahead and backed up his home dir and recreated his account05:53
axisysso he can copy his files over05:53
axisysit was fixing for another user05:53
axisysi use ubuntu for myself05:54
RamlaOkay, that works too05:56
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mattgyver83Is there a way to rename a device?  For some reason my wirless connection is labeled as eth0, as opposed to wlan006:18
cellofellowI believe there is something to do with the udev configurations, but that's sort of complicated.06:18
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cellofellownever succeded in that endeavor.06:19
mattgyver83el gay06:19
mattgyver83thats what i was reading, i just wasnt sure if there was an easier way06:19
cellofellow*wave* BFTD06:19
BFTDhi cellofellow06:19
hyper_chhiho06:31
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axisysRamla, zials : thnx a lot guys06:33
Ramlano probs06:33
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utnubuxwhats happening all?06:35
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chosigI have a problem, I have a 2 button ps/2 mouse attached to the computer, but I can't "find" it... any ideas what's messed up?07:04
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neozensalutations all08:36
zialshello o.o08:37

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