[12:30] <stuart-> love how linux installs stuff and gets things to work while they're still running
[12:31] <Pumpernickel> 1.  Patch the install script to skip the 'download' part of the install.  2.  Why do you need flash on a non-networked box?
[12:32] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, thats what i was thinking
[12:34] <stuart-> whoa, someone nearby didn't turn off his wi-fi, and i can access up to 120kbps on this thing
[12:35] <Jester45> stuart-, welcome to my world
[12:36] <stuart-> Jester45, no jokes this rocks
[12:36] <Jester45> i got 4 wifis that i can access
[12:36] <Jester45> plus my dsl
[12:36] <Jester45> and just down the street is a hotel with open wifi
[12:36] <stuart-> hurray to businesses with wi-fi
[12:36] <Jester45> they got pretty good speed
[12:40] <stuart-> eh? where does installed programs go to in linux?
[12:40] <Jester45> everywhere
[12:40] <stuart-> i wanna Open With.. and direct it to the program..
[12:40] <Jester45> you can normaly just type the command
[12:40] <Jester45> like for mplayer just type mplayer
[12:41] <Jester45> linux is smart like that
[12:41] <Jester45> but if you need the file they are in /sbin a lot
[12:42] <stuart-> it doesn't let me
[12:43] <Jester45> what are you trying to use
[12:43] <stuart-> application i chose ("null") could not be found. deluge
[12:44] <Jester45> you sure you did deluge
[12:45] <stuart-> yup, but it says null
[12:45] <Jester45> its /usr/bin/deluge
[12:46] <stuart-> it asked for location tho. oh okay
[12:46] <Jester45> :)
[12:47] <Jester45> /usr/bin is a common place also
[12:48] <stuart-> Jester45, worked. thanks! off to bed now
[12:50] <Jester45> never underestimate the power of the jester
[12:57] <mrpok> Hello hello
[12:57] <mrpok> How are we all?
[12:59] <cellofellow> ok
[01:03] <cellofellow> Pumpernickel: to answer question about flash on non-networked. The box isn't non-networked permanently.
[01:30] <mrpok> How do I stop gxine loading whenever I put in an audio CD?
[01:31] <vidd> Applications>settings>default applications
[01:31] <vidd> nope...never mind
[01:32] <vidd> dunnu
[01:32] <mrpok> OK
[01:32] <mrpok> thanks anyway. :)
[01:33] <mrpok> I wouldn't complain so much, if gxine wasn't such an annoying application to use.
[01:34] <mrpok> Plus, I don't really like anything coming up automatically when I insert a cd, usb disk... It's so often not what I actually want to do with the media.
[01:57] <mattgyver83> Does anybody know how to use WPA encryption in xubuntu?
[02:11] <mrpok> Which is less memory instensive, out of rhythmbox or amarok?
[02:11] <mrpok> Or how would I find out?
[02:25] <whiter> does xubuntu feisty have a disk manager?
[02:56] <vidd> anyone know what i need to do in order to get a new lan card to be recognized and installed on my system?
[02:56] <vidd> the new lan card is a rtl 8139
[02:56] <vidd> i dont want to reinstall just for the new lan card
[03:01] <maxamillion> vidd: in theory upstart should recognize it ... but i guess it didn't, i am looking into it at the moment
[03:02] <maxamillion> vidd: does 'lspci -v' say something like
[03:03] <maxamillion> "Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8139 "
[03:06] <vidd> lspci does
[03:08] <maxamillion> vidd: 'sudo modprobe 8139too'
[03:09] <vidd> ok...let me get to it.....
[03:09] <tripppy> vidd, if you have more than one PCI slot. shutdown and try the card in another slot
[03:09] <tripppy> usally works for me
[03:14] <vidd> no dice
[03:41] <mrpok> OK, so the files for this logon (such as my downloads, my documents, etc) are stored in /home/pok
[03:42] <mrpok> If I want to have a directory with files that all logons can use, where would I make it?
[03:42] <mrpok> I want to store my music so that I can access it easily, and so can any other user, both local and networked.
[03:43] <mrpok> Should I make a new directory /user/music?
[03:43] <mrpok> */usr/music
[03:44] <vidd> mrpok, you would probably want to use something like /var/music
[03:45] <mrpok> OK, any particular reason?
[03:45] <vidd> the /var directory is used for network services by most apps...so it is the most logical choice
[03:46] <mrpok> All I know about /var is that it usually stores 'variable' data
[03:46] <mrpok> Info that changes often
[03:46] <vidd> for example...apache by default looks in the /var/www directory for web pages
[03:46] <mrpok> ok
[03:47] <rici> it would be common to use /usr/local/share/music
[03:47] <rici> as well
[03:47] <vidd> but you can store your stuff where ever you want....
[03:47] <rici> very true
[03:47] <vidd> even /music
[03:47] <mrpok> I thought /usr/local was for this-machine-only files
[03:48] <mrpok> That was my next question... There would be no reason for me not to just create my own directory?
[03:48] <vidd> only if you leave it that way
[03:48] <vidd> no reason at all
[03:49] <rici> mrpok: that is the theory, but it's also for files which shouldn't be altered by a software reinstall/upgrade
[03:49] <mrpok> I might just make a new root level dir, then. The plan is to use a second HDD for all my music later.
[03:50] <rici> you can certainly do that. it's your machine, after all
[03:50] <rici> but you can mount a filesystem anywhere, doesn't have to be at the root
[03:50] <rici> so the fact that you plan to move them to a different hdd doesn't really change anything
[03:51] <mrpok> Yeah, indeed. I was just trying to stick to logic, and learn something in the process. :)
[03:51] <mrpok> thanks guys
[03:52] <rici> logic. what a thought.
[03:54] <mrpok> And I learnt a new terminal command... mkdir. :)
[03:54] <mrpok> Wow, I feel a noob.
[04:00] <vidd> you think thats bad...i cant get a simple lan card to work right
[04:08] <mrpok> OK, I've created the /music directory, but I can't figure how to move my downloaded... err, backed up... music there.
[04:09] <vidd> sudo cp /old/directory/* //music
[04:10] <vidd> or mv if you want to move instead of copy
[04:10] <mrpok> The problem is, I don't want all the files moved
[04:10] <mrpok> The directory is /home/usr/pok/torrents
[04:10] <vidd> then do it graphicly
[04:11] <vidd> open two thunar windows and cp from one to the other
[04:11] <mrpok> How do I give Thunar root access then?
[04:12] <vidd> open terminal.....
[04:12] <vidd> gksudo thunar
[04:13] <mrpok> awesome, thanks.
[04:16] <mrpok> So how would I tell mv to copy this directory.... '/home/pok/torrents/The Butterfly Effect - Imago' to /music?
[04:17] <mrpok> should it just be sudo mv The Butterfly Effect - Imago /music?
[04:17] <vidd> yes
[04:18] <vidd> use tab complete to get the right file name
[04:18] <mrpok> mv: invalid option -- W
[04:18] <mrpok> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[04:18] <mrpok> mv: invalid option -- W
[04:18] <mrpok> Try `mv --help' for more information.
[04:18] <mrpok> ooh
[04:18] <mrpok> tab complete seemed to work
[04:19] <mrpok> It came up with some funky thing with \'s before the spaces
[04:19] <mrpok> Thats a neat trick, thanks.
[04:19] <vidd> yes
[04:20] <mrpok> Excellentay
[04:29] <mrpok> Ah, I've run across a problem. I don't think Amarok will be able to organise the /music folder
[04:30] <mrpok> unless I run it using /gksudo all the time
[04:31] <vidd> so chown it
[04:31] <vidd> chown changes the ownership of a file or directory
[04:31] <mrpok> Sorry?
[04:32] <mrpok> ah, ok
[04:35] <mrpok> So if I 'chown pok /music' it means that whenever I am logged in as pok, programs can change /music?
[04:35] <vidd> it should
[04:36] <mrpok> And if I wanted any log in to be able to access it?
[04:36] <mrpok> I can't seem to find it in the man page
[04:36] <mrpok> DAGS?
[04:36] <vidd> chown the files to the the same user as the app you are using
[04:37] <vidd> cant find what?
[04:38] <mrpok> would chown 004 /music work?
[04:39] <mrpok> is 004 the numeric ownership id for all?
[04:39] <mrpok> no, ignore that, I'm getting ahead of myself
[04:44] <vidd> wb maxamillion
[04:44] <maxamillion> thankies
[04:45] <vidd> mrpok, your thinking of chmod ... that will work too if you set the files to 777
[04:46] <mrpok> chmod 777 /music?
[04:47] <vidd> yeah
[04:47] <vidd> but you need the recursive switch in there
[04:47] <vidd> to change all the files in the directory
[04:52] <vidd> maxamillion, you have any other ideas on how i can get my network card to work?
[04:52] <vidd> is there a .deb file i can use to install the file?
[04:52] <vidd> *driver?
[04:55] <maxamillion> vidd: no, according to all the docs i found say that the card has been supported since the 2.4 kernel
[04:55] <vidd> so it should auto-detect
[04:59] <maxamillion> vidd: technically yes ... are you sure the card and mobo are both good?
[04:59] <vidd> yeah
[05:08] <mrpok> ouch, Amarok seems to be slowing my machine down a lot.
[05:09] <maxamillion> mrpok: yes, amarok will do that ... it requires alot of library files to be loaded into ram that are not native to xubuntu
[05:09] <maxamillion> mrpok: you might want to look into Exaile as an alternative, it is much more native to xubuntu and is very comparable to amarok
[05:45] <mrpok> Exaile, eh? Thanks mate, I'll check it out.
[05:47] <maxamillion> mrpok: not a problem
[06:52] <rockets> How well should I expect Xubuntu to run with 256 MB of ram
[06:52] <rockets> I know its designed for that type of thing
[06:53] <maxamillion> rockets: should run wonderfully
[06:53] <rockets> cool
[10:05] <mrpok> hey hey
[10:06] <mrpok> is gtk-gnutella the best option for peer-to-peer filesharing?
[11:23] <derjens> hi everybody
[11:24] <derjens> i need to start the package manager of xubuntu over ssh. would you please tell me what is the name of the executable?
[11:25] <TheSheep> apt-get
[11:25] <derjens> TheSheep, there is this graphical tool... that's what i want
[11:26] <TheSheep> derjens: synaptic
[11:29] <derjens> thank you so far
[11:46] <Ben_Cs> is there an easier way to map network drives than editing fstab?
[01:40] <Ben_Cs> hello
[01:40] <Ben_Cs> is xubuntu gusty tribe 3 stable enough?
[01:49] <ablomen> Ben_Cs, stable enough for what?
[01:49] <ablomen> a production machine? no
[01:49] <Ben_Cs> to do whatever i need to do
[01:49] <Ben_Cs> production?
[01:49] <ablomen> well then id say no
[01:50] <ablomen> if you really depend on it i wouldnt bother with it, isnt worth the hassles
[01:50] <Ben_Cs> so it's just to play arround?
[01:50] <ablomen> well or test
[01:50] <ablomen> but its not a stable release
[01:51] <TheSheep> still has some known bugs and some more unknown ones
[01:52] <Ben_Cs> ok. xubuntu 7.04 comes with xfce 4.4.0   . is there an easy way to update to xfce 4.4.1 ? (it's stable but what is written in xfce site)
[01:52] <Ben_Cs> (it's stable by what is written in xfce site)
[01:52] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: but all other software included in xubuntu might not be stable with it
[01:53] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you know, applications interacy
[01:53] <TheSheep> interact
[01:53] <TheSheep> especially with a window manager
[01:53] <Ben_Cs> i see
[01:53] <loswillios> heya
[01:54] <loswillios> Ben_Cs: i had the gnumeric issues yesterday, remember?
[01:54] <Ben_Cs> ok. so it's better to wait till October when the stable gutsy will come out
[01:54] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: especially when 4.4.1 doesn't really have much new
[01:54] <loswillios> Ben_Cs: I dist-upgraded 7.04 to gutsy, it works good.
[01:54] <Ben_Cs> loswillios: yeh
[01:55] <loswillios> my gnumeric issue is gone, but I now I have another one :-) but I can live with it
[01:55] <Ben_Cs> BTW, could it be that xfce is heavier than gnome? i just feel as if gnome is a bit faster on my machine
[01:55] <loswillios> never used gnome
[01:56] <loswillios> I want to use google-earth. which nvidia card should I buy?
[01:56] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: xfce by itsel;f is lighter, but the overall performance depends also on other applications you use and configuration
[01:57] <loswillios> will it work with a geforce2?
[01:57] <Ben_Cs> XFCE is lighter then Gnome and KDE because it has lees features right? But the developers add features all the time. So in time XFCE will be as heavy as Gnome/KDE?
[01:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: no, xfce has different architecture and different target audience
[01:58] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it's not like developers just add features randomly -- they only need the ones that re needed
[01:59] <Ben_Cs> what audience is that?
[01:59] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: we :)
[01:59] <TheSheep> us
[01:59] <Ben_Cs> us - you mean, the terminal lovers?
[01:59] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: but tbh, the first audience of xfce are the developers themselves
[02:00] <Ben_Cs> cause right now lots of settings work in xfce is done by manually editing files
[02:02] <Ben_Cs> Can it be the my xfce desktop is slower than gnome because of me installing UBUNTU and adding xubuntu-desktop instead of installing Xubuntu?
[02:03] <Ben_Cs> *that
[02:04] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: I don't think so
[02:05] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: at the worst case it would be as fast
[02:06] <Ben_Cs> so it's weird. for instance: in gnome open office opens in a fraction of a second, when in xfce it takes almost a second
[02:06] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: you use openoffice.org-gtk ?
[02:07] <Ben_Cs> the one that came with ubuntu
[02:07] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: if you want the gnome apps to work as fast as in gnome, then go to settings->sessions and atartup and enable loading the gnome libraries at startup
[02:08] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: "launch gnome services at startup"
[02:08] <Ben_Cs> thesheep: it's already enabled
[02:08] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: otherwise, xfce starts these srevices when they are needed, and so the paps that use them will load slower
[02:08] <TheSheep> hmm..
[02:16] <Ben_Cs> well. never mind. thanks anyway
[04:26] <axisys> hi all .. after I login my desktop is just blue with no icon, no menu .. almost blank except the blue desktop
[04:26] <axisys> how do I fix it
[04:26] <zials> you want... to see icons on desktop?
[04:26] <zials> as well as show the menu panels?
[04:27] <axisys> zials: yes.. its all empty.. used to be I could start openning my terminal
[04:27] <zials> for panels: hit alt + F2 and enter "Xfce4-Panel" (without quotations)
[04:28] <zials> for desktop icons, go to Settings -> Desktop Settings
[04:28] <axisys> The command "Xfce4-Panel" failed to run
[04:28] <zials> O.o
[04:28] <axisys> I cannot go to setting.. there is nothing in the desktop
[04:28] <axisys> absolutely nothing
[04:29] <axisys> almost feel like the screen is streched outside my visible screen size
[04:30] <axisys> is there a dpkg-reconfigure for desktop panel or something?
[04:32] <axisys> there is a new .xsession-errors file
[04:32] <axisys> it says..
[04:32] <axisys> xfwm4:14101: WARNING: The display does not support XComposite extension
[04:32] <axisys> xfwm4:14101: WARNING: Compositing manager disabled
[04:33] <axisys> not sure if they are relavant to my issue
[04:33] <axisys> I went to alt-F1 to vies those errors
[04:33] <axisys> alt-ctlr-F1 that is
[04:33] <axisys> anyone has any other suggestion?
[04:34] <axisys> should I re-install xubuntu?
[04:34] <zials> mhmm... and it was running fine before?
[04:35] <axisys> zials: yep
[04:35] <zials> and you tried rebooting?
[04:35] <axisys> no
[04:36] <axisys> let me try that
[04:36] <axisys> btw I am using 6.06
[04:48] <axisys> reboot did not help
[04:48] <zials> can you run the panel now?
[04:55] <Ramla_> if nothing seems to work, I'd try mv ~/.config ~/.config-backup and restarting X
[05:24] <axisys> zials: still no go
[05:24] <zials> mhmm
[05:24] <axisys> Ramla_: tried that.. still nothing .. absolutely nothing
[05:25] <axisys> there is no desktop reconfigure option? like for ubuntu where I can run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[05:25] <zials> yea, you can run that
[05:25] <zials> that reconfigures the Xserver
[05:26] <axisys> zials: except I don't know the exact command *sigh*
[05:26] <zials> sudo dpgk-reconfigure -xserver-xorg
[05:26] <zials> err.. thats xserver-xorg
[05:26] <zials> no hyphen/minus-sign before it
[05:27] <axisys> ok
[05:27] <axisys> i shoudl have done tab completeion.. duh
[05:29] <Ramla_> basically removing the .config should reset the settings.. hmm, i wonder if there's something else
[05:30] <axisys> dpkg-reconfigure did not help
[05:30] <axisys> is there a way to reinstall the xfce?
[05:30] <axisys> may be that will fix it
[05:31] <zials> did you try moving the ~/.config like Ramla_ suggested?
[05:32] <Ramla_> reinstalling and purging the whole xubuntu-desktop metapackage would be harsh
[05:34] <Ramla_> I don't know much, but if moving .config dir didn't work, I'd try sudo adduser test and logging to xfce environment with that account. Maybe some other user config file is causing it
[05:35] <Ramla_> if that was the case, any admin work might be unnecessary if you just found out what it was
[05:42] <axisys> zials: I did
[05:42] <axisys> Ramla_: good point.. let me go ahead create a new test account
[05:44] <axisys> Ramla_: woohoo! it works for the test account just fine
[05:45] <mattgyver83> Hey room, has anyone been able to connect to WPA encryptions with Xubuntu?
[05:46] <axisys> Ramla_: which file gets read when a user login to xfce besides the .config
[05:49] <Ramla_> i wouldn't know, i'm no guru.. I'm thinking those error (warning) messages you pasted, are they last lines of the .xsession-errors file?
[05:50] <Ramla_> axisys> The command "Xfce4-Panel" failed to run <-- this could've been because of caps, did you try with small caps?
[05:53] <axisys> Ramla: i went ahead and backed up his home dir and recreated his account
[05:53] <axisys> so he can copy his files over
[05:53] <axisys> it was fixing for another user
[05:54] <axisys> i use ubuntu for myself
[05:56] <Ramla> Okay, that works too
[06:18] <mattgyver83> Is there a way to rename a device?  For some reason my wirless connection is labeled as eth0, as opposed to wlan0
[06:18] <cellofellow> I believe there is something to do with the udev configurations, but that's sort of complicated.
[06:19] <cellofellow> never succeded in that endeavor.
[06:19] <mattgyver83> el gay
[06:19] <mattgyver83> thats what i was reading, i just wasnt sure if there was an easier way
[06:19] <cellofellow> *wave* BFTD
[06:19] <BFTD> hi cellofellow
[06:31] <hyper_ch> hiho
[06:33] <axisys> Ramla, zials : thnx a lot guys
[06:33] <Ramla> no probs
[06:35] <utnubux> whats happening all?
[07:04] <chosig> I have a problem, I have a 2 button ps/2 mouse attached to the computer, but I can't "find" it... any ideas what's messed up?
[08:36] <neozen> salutations all
[08:37] <zials> hello o.o