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| Tm_T | !ping | 12:37 |
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| Tm_T | Riddell: we got a bot (: | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | bug 1 | 12:37 |
| ubot3 | Malone bug 1 in jl "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 12:37 |
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| kwwii | omg | 12:40 |
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| kwwii | stupid bad boring bot | 12:41 |
| jeroenvrp | will update process has begun | 12:49 |
| jeroenvrp | is it known that when updating "from" feisty with adept, it still says at the top "Upgrading Kubuntu to Version 7.04" << that should be 7.10 | 12:50 |
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| nixternal | mhb: nice post! | 01:11 |
| mhb | nixternal: thanks! I never thought somebody would actually read it :o) | 01:12 |
| nixternal | of course I read it..and man I would love a KDE frontend to Gimp | 01:12 |
| mhb | nixternal: (re)writing portable code is exactly what I've been doing this summer of code | 01:12 |
| nixternal | there is a patch or a simple hack though that gives you that I thought | 01:12 |
| nixternal | whew, I just cleaned out my computer area..I just have my main desk to go now | 01:13 |
| nixternal | I found books that I need to get on Amazon | 01:13 |
| mhb | nixternal: which ones? | 01:13 |
| nixternal | text books...no good coding ones | 01:13 |
| mhb | nixternal: you should be happy, being American, you can get almost all books for a decent price on the net | 01:17 |
| nixternal | ya, that is pretty good... I am waiting for the 2 new Qt4 books to hit Amazon so I can buy them | 01:18 |
| mhb | nixternal: we Europeans (especially the Central and Eastern) would have to pay double the usual book price to get them | 01:18 |
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| jeroenvrp | grr the update crashed | 01:20 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: that's not a bad thing :o) | 01:21 |
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| mhb | jeroenvrp: you can now file a bug so it gets fixed before the final release, and that's a good thing! | 01:21 |
| jeroenvrp | mhb: well, should I relaunch it | 01:21 |
| jeroenvrp | yeah but the traceback is gone | 01:21 |
| mhb | is it? aww | 01:22 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: do you know at which stage it crashed? | 01:22 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: file a bug and try to add as many information as you can remember | 01:22 |
| jeroenvrp | it crashed just after downloading | 01:22 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: if it's not just a temporary crash bug, other people will fill more data about it | 01:23 |
| jeroenvrp | mhb: ok, I relaunched the updater | 01:24 |
| jeroenvrp | and it skips feitching, thats good - lets see | 01:24 |
| jeroenvrp | it seems to continue without crashing now | 01:24 |
| jeroenvrp | mhb: I can fill a bug, but I really dont know any details | 01:25 |
| jeroenvrp | so maybe just wait on someone else, so I can confirm | 01:25 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: file a bug now | 01:28 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: if nobody will confirm it we'll just close it after final Gutsy or something | 01:28 |
| jeroenvrp | mhb: ok, after the system has been updated | 01:28 |
| mhb | jeroenvrp: believe me, it's always better to fill a bug than to keep it to yourself | 01:28 |
| jeroenvrp | i know, | 01:28 |
| nixternal | ooh, just bought danimo's Qt book, and the other new Qt4 book (foundations)...man, Amazon is pretty darn cheap | 01:30 |
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| mhb | nixternal: heh, judging from the first comment on my blog, people seem to have problems with taking advice from a nobody :o) | 01:51 |
| Tm_T | mhb: what, hwere | 01:53 |
| Tm_T | aefljb,stg | 01:53 |
| mhb | Tm_T: just a comment to my blog post at planet.ubuntu.com (http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/english/write-reusable-code/ is the direct link, if you go crazy and want to read it :o). It's just an off-topic note, I can't really stay on topic at 2:00 am :o) | 01:56 |
| Tm_T | yeah, that was my intention | 01:56 |
| Tm_T | and ignore that first comment, it's BS | 01:58 |
| Tm_T | and I don't mean BrainStorming | 01:58 |
| mhb | Tm_T: hehe, right. He's partially right in me being nobody, but the advice was meant well and that's what counts. | 01:59 |
| Tm_T | well, you are not nobody if you write blog | 02:00 |
| Tm_T | or be developer of any kind | 02:00 |
| Tm_T | or be active in any other way | 02:01 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: I totally agree with you too! | 02:01 |
| nosrednaekim | who cares if you are a relative "nobody" | 02:01 |
| Tm_T | he doesn't know you, so not | 02:02 |
| Tm_T | doesn't matter | 02:02 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: thanks :o) | 02:02 |
| mhb | let's get back to work, shall we? :o) | 02:03 |
| Tm_T | what work? | 02:03 |
| Tm_T | we have work?! | 02:03 |
| mhb | Tm_T: I do, don't you? :o) | 02:03 |
| Tm_T | ah, you have, yes, do your work, shush! | 02:03 |
| nosrednaekim | doing what? separating amarok from its frontend ;) | 02:03 |
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| mhb | nosrednaekim: hehe :o) I don't think it's possible anymore ... if you don't start your project with more frontends in mind, it would take many man-hours to make it so | 02:04 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: it is with small Python projects, but not the larger ones | 02:05 |
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| nosrednaekim | heh | 02:13 |
| nosrednaekim | I guess Exaile is a total rewrite then. | 02:15 |
| nosrednaekim | in fact... it is because its in python. | 02:15 |
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| nosrednaekim | mhb: where is your code repository for the restricted-manager? | 02:23 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: it's currently merged with restricted-manager trunk | 02:32 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/restricted-manager/trunk | 02:32 |
| nosrednaekim | ah ok, I just wanted to see if it worked on fiesty ;) | 02:32 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: if you manage to install the new version of restricted-manager, it might | 02:33 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: but restricted-manager has been updated for gutsy with more driver handlers and so on | 02:34 |
| nosrednaekim | sounds like a challenge :) | 02:34 |
| nosrednaekim | hmm trying to find a gutsy .deb | 02:37 |
| nosrednaekim | found a tar... that should work. | 02:39 |
| nosrednaekim | not to be a bother or anything mhb, if you are busy, just say so, but how do you install this restrictedmanager tar.gz file? | 02:48 |
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| jeroenvrp | well when openoffice-gnome and openoffice-kde are installed all looks and works fine :-) | 02:53 |
| jeroenvrp | and fast\1 | 02:53 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: not sure, why didn't you check out the code from the page I gave you? | 02:59 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: "bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/restricted-manager/trunk " | 03:00 |
| nosrednaekim | I found the debs, and installed them, and it works on fiesty! | 03:11 |
| jeroenvrp | heh where is mplayer :-( | 03:18 |
| mhb | nosrednaekim: that's great | 03:23 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: yep, and I would get that bazzaar code except I don't have bzr and my mirror just crapped out. have to switch to a new mirror. | 03:25 |
| jeroenvrp | also not with aptitude, so it seems aptitude gives no error on multiverse, but doesnt download the package list | 03:32 |
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| lnxkde | sup | 07:17 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | anyone want to help port kde/qt to lpia - Low Power on Intel Architecture? | Tribe 4 Released | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 9 16:04:17 2007 | ||
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| nixternal | Riddell: when you get a chance, I need a "giveback" on the last kvkbd upload from yesterday (0.4.5-0ubuntu1). It FTBS on everything but i386 and it was due to broken kdelibs4-dev deps which seem to be fixed now..I just built it successfully in my PPA | 08:18 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: nothing I can do about that | 10:56 |
| Riddell | nixternal: infinity has given back | 11:00 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: is anyone looking into that KDE vs. openoffice thing at the moment ? | 11:42 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: hopefully calc is | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: anyways.. there's also gtk issues with acroread | 11:43 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: suse says there's issues with opera too, are you able to test that? | 11:45 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: opera works | 11:50 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: uhm well I cant see the contents of the menus actually.. | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: in opera | 12:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I just get only the outline, and nothing else... kinda wierd. | 12:18 |
| stdin | _StefanS_: I see menus in opera, what version? | 12:22 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: 9.22 | 12:23 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: from opera.com, but the ubuntu one had the same issues | 12:23 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: when you run it from commandline, do you get a few errors about libawt.so and libjvm.so ? | 12:23 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: could be unrelated to gtk.. but not sure | 12:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ^ ? | 12:24 |
| stdin | I have 9.21 works fine, but I do get that LD_PRELOAD error, and for libjvm.so | 12:24 |
| _StefanS_ | brb | 12:24 |
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| _StefanS_ | clear | 12:29 |
| _StefanS_ | :) oops | 12:29 |
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| _StefanS_ | stdin: regarding that OOo issue.. try to install at-spi | 12:32 |
| stdin | what's that? | 12:33 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: something to do with gnome.. found something in a post from mandriva with same issue | 12:33 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: nah I was wrong. Dont fix anything at all. Just forget it | 12:34 |
| stdin | ooh, that was close :p | 12:34 |
| stdin | dpkg was just about to start then | 12:35 |
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| stdin | _StefanS_: it does seem to work one oo.o-gnome is installed (which depended on at-spi, libatspi1.0-0 and libxevie1) | 12:40 |
| stdin | s/one/once/ | 12:40 |
| _StefanS_ | ah .. | 12:41 |
| _StefanS_ | installing at-spi by itself complains about missing libxevie1 | 12:41 |
| stdin | tried removing oo.o-gnome and installing at-spi and libxevie1, it doesn't work, reinstalling oo.o-gnome works tho??? | 12:45 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm mine works with only openoffice.org-gtk | 12:46 |
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| stdin | I have both | 12:46 |
| morphir | Riddell: ping | 12:46 |
| Riddell | hi morphir | 12:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kvkbd built | 12:53 |
| Riddell | and strigi, yay | 12:53 |
| morphir | Riddell: I going trough the source of the graphical installer as we speak | 12:53 |
| morphir | Riddell: are you using the same installer for kubuntu as the one being used in ubuntu? | 12:54 |
| morphir | http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubiquity/feisty/files/cjwatson%40canonical.com-20070412171803-l24i1bg4fxm2gpep?file_id=lib-20051205083518-f6c9a0a6f59269d6 | 12:54 |
| Riddell | morphir: yes, different frontends but all part of the same package | 12:55 |
| morphir | cool, is this a qt frontend? | 12:55 |
| Riddell | morphir: the translations are the same | 12:55 |
| Riddell | yes, pyqt 4 | 12:55 |
| morphir | ok, cool | 12:56 |
| morphir | Riddell: will there be a konsole output during install in gutsy? | 12:56 |
| Riddell | of the installer? no | 12:57 |
| Riddell | it outputs to /var/log/installer/* | 12:57 |
| morphir | Riddell: if recall correctly when installing kubuntu feisty, the konsole window popped up in verbose mode | 12:59 |
| morphir | if I recall that is | 12:59 |
| Riddell | ubiquity has never used a console | 12:59 |
| Riddell | the dist upgrader does | 12:59 |
| morphir | ahh | 01:00 |
| morphir | so that was the case | 01:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: is the battery monitor ready for gutsy.. kde-guidance, isn't it? | 01:01 |
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| Riddell | _StefanS_: kde-guidance-powermanager hasn't changed | 01:14 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: I'd like to see it ported to qt 4 and someone did start it but I believe it's not really usable | 01:15 |
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| twosouls82 | hi there | 01:20 |
| Riddell | hi twosouls82 | 01:20 |
| twosouls82 | Riddell: thanks for bringing the K to Ubuntu :) | 01:21 |
| Riddell | you're welcome. of course there's plenty others who do it too | 01:21 |
| twosouls82 | Riddell: I meant, for starting this all | 01:21 |
| twosouls82 | you couldn't have done it alone | 01:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: maybe I could assist in the porting then.. is there any new features required ? | 01:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: or just a straight port . ? | 01:22 |
| twosouls82 | when I run konsole from kde4 beta 1, like suggested on the news page (either with the exports or in Xephyr), I get this error: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server | 01:22 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: no new features, just needs to be adapted to pyqt 4, remove the KDE classes, python-dbus (which means it can listen for signals hopefully, not poll them) | 01:23 |
| twosouls82 | tried launching dbus manually, but no luck | 01:23 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils/guidance/powermanager/ | 01:23 |
| Riddell | give that a shot, let me know if it works at all ( sebas says it doesn't really, but it's something to start from) | 01:23 |
| Riddell | twosouls82: install dbus-x11 ? | 01:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: isn't it kde4's repo you gave me there? | 01:24 |
| twosouls82 | Riddell: No candidate version found for dbus-x11 | 01:24 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: yes | 01:24 |
| Riddell | twosouls82: do you have dbus-launch installed? | 01:25 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: but its needs to work in 3.5.7.. right? | 01:25 |
| twosouls82 | yepper, that's what I used to launch it manually | 01:25 |
| twosouls82 | Riddell: -^ | 01:25 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: well it just uses qt 4 | 01:26 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: oh, I get it.. so only deps should be qt4 then.. and not both kde/qt3 like it is now. | 01:26 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:26 |
| _StefanS_ | got it. | 01:26 |
| _StefanS_ | I will take a look. | 01:26 |
| Riddell | qt 4 provides everything needed, systray applet and popup widget and stuff | 01:26 |
| _StefanS_ | righto. | 01:27 |
| twosouls82 | Riddell: having qtcurve in the repos (for gutsy) would be nice; hence the qt3/qt4 mixture | 01:27 |
| Hobbsee | twosouls82: | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | gtk2-engines-qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for Gtk2 based apps | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | kde-style-klearlook - Clone of GNOME's Clearlooks theme for KDE | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | kde-style-qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for KDE3 based apps | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | kde4-style-qtcurve - Unified widget style for KDE and GTK+ | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | them? | 01:28 |
| twosouls82 | old news =) | 01:28 |
| twosouls82 | Hobbsee: nevermind (yep those) | 01:29 |
| sebas | For powermanager, we should stick with the Qt3 version and move to kpowersave for KDE4. | 01:29 |
| sebas | THat's what I discussed with Danny Kukawka in Glasgow | 01:29 |
| sebas | So bugfixes should go into branch | 01:29 |
| sebas | I don't think porting to PyQt4 is the right direction forward. | 01:32 |
| sebas | And I had enough beer with Danny so we're on the same line :P | 01:32 |
| mhb | sebas: hi, IMHO you probably should publish info about such discussions on the net .o) or was it published somewhere? | 01:33 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: ^^ so maybe not worth it | 01:36 |
| Riddell | of course powersave still has the worst UI ever, but that's fixable | 01:37 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: so .. what now ? :) | 01:43 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: looking for a project? | 01:43 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: well yes, since kdesudo is stranded on a MIR, and Tonio_ isnt around for fade testing. | 01:43 |
| Riddell | script daily kde 4 snapshot compiles in a ppa | 01:44 |
| Riddell | port ldm and/or thin-client-manager to qt4 | 01:44 |
| Riddell | package qt jambi | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: daily? cprov would kill you | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: but weekly would be good | 01:45 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I would like to take a go at ldm.. its the ltsp login manager, right ? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | yes, it is | 01:46 |
| Riddell | it's c++ now I believe | 01:46 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: alright.. and it should just look the same i reckon. | 01:47 |
| Riddell | well, some kubuntu artwork maybe :) | 01:47 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: oh yep.. :) | 01:48 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-kde | 01:48 |
| _StefanS_ | thanks | 01:49 |
| kwwii | we can make the login look similar to kde but I do not think you can make it look the same | 01:51 |
| sebas | mhb: Yeah, at least on kde-hardware-devel | 01:52 |
| sebas | Riddell: We agreed on running it through usability | 01:52 |
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| _StefanS_ | argh.. nfs-common is broken at the moment in gutsy due to missing initscripts (>= 2.86.ds1-38.1).. | 02:13 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm. | 02:13 |
| Riddell | they're discussing that now, it needs merging sysvinit from debian | 02:14 |
| _StefanS_ | oh.. actually I cant install ltsp before its worked out.. and then no ldm-qt before that :( | 02:14 |
| _StefanS_ | typical. | 02:14 |
| Riddell | ask ogra about that | 02:16 |
| Riddell | other tasks include merging the new networkstatus infrastructure from suse (if suitable) | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | yay, so many kde bugs... | 02:17 |
| Riddell | oh and updating ksplash-moodin to work with the new dialog.png size | 02:17 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: got a link for the networkstatus ? | 02:46 |
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| _StefanS_ | sweet .. initscripts is available now | 02:48 |
| Riddell | hmm, websvn seems to be down | 02:49 |
| Riddell | well, very slow | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | !timebasedreleases | 02:50 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 02:50 |
| ubot3 | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 02:50 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/~wstephens/ | 02:50 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: kdelibs, kdebase etc | 02:51 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: it moves networkstatus from kdepim to kdelibs | 02:51 |
| _StefanS_ | ah I see it there | 02:51 |
| _StefanS_ | whats does it do ? :) | 02:51 |
| Riddell | you may be better getting the patches from suse factory | 02:51 |
| Riddell | makes networkstatus good hopefully (rather than e.g. konqueror saying it can't find anything when network-manager is disconnected) | 02:52 |
| Riddell | sebas may know more | 02:52 |
| Riddell | or for best details, /msg bille directory | 02:52 |
| Riddell | directly | 02:52 |
| _StefanS_ | ah yes I remember that bug | 02:53 |
| sebas | It makes kmail not ask if you want to work online every n minutes when you've set it to offline, for example. | 02:53 |
| _StefanS_ | so should we build networkstatus into our kubuntu kdelibs ? or seperate package? | 02:54 |
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| sebas | built-in, why should it be separate? | 02:54 |
| _StefanS_ | donno, just asking | 02:54 |
| _StefanS_ | it could just be a dependency | 02:55 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: build it as a separate package, built from kdelibs | 02:55 |
| Riddell | like it is now from kdepim | 02:55 |
| _StefanS_ | ah ok | 02:55 |
| _StefanS_ | well the ltsp thingy seems to work | 02:55 |
| Riddell | so just copy the debian/control and .install details from kdepim | 02:55 |
| _StefanS_ | ok | 02:55 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I dont see kdepim anywhere in kdelibs | 02:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: was it removed? | 02:59 |
| Riddell | kdepim is a separate package | 03:00 |
| _StefanS_ | thought you said it was built from kdelibs | 03:00 |
| _StefanS_ | ah :) I get it | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: i wish kde4 was usable.... | 03:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: me 2 | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: make it usable, then it wont need to be backported | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: yea.. but its probably pretty far off until we get atleast a RC | 03:01 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: kdepim and kdelibs are source packages. kdepim makes the binary package networkstatus. these patches move networkstatus to kdelibs so that binary package should move to kdelibs | 03:01 |
| Riddell | (if it works) | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | got it | 03:02 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: trying a build now | 03:06 |
| _StefanS_ | letts see what happends | 03:06 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm-- back to ltsp. | 03:06 |
| Riddell | ooh, this klash/gnash thing really works | 03:18 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: still building ... | 03:26 |
| Riddell | !language | 03:26 |
| ubot3 | Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | 03:26 |
| ubotu | Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly. | 03:26 |
| Riddell | hmm, two bots | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, one's dying | 03:26 |
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| ScottK | So I'm reading that starting October 1 (In Debian), Apt will install reccomends by default for all packages. I'm assuming we'll get that change too. | 03:28 |
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| ScottK | Does that mean that if a Main package has a Universe recommends, it needs to either get an MIR or be dropped to suggests? | 03:28 |
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: kinda increases packages quite a bit on your system .. :) | 03:28 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 03:29 |
| ScottK | I don't know when mvo plans to put that into the Ubuntu Apt, but I'd hate to have a mess of packages in Main suddenly go uninstallable. | 03:30 |
| Riddell | ScottK: we have it in ubuntu apt for any package in the metapackages section | 03:35 |
| Riddell | which isn't many | 03:35 |
| Riddell | we did try it for all packages but of course lots of packages have unsuitable recommends | 03:36 |
| ScottK | Right, but this is for all packages. | 03:36 |
| Riddell | if debian changes apt to follow that policy then the packages will get updated with more sensible recommends | 03:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: seems like ltsp is already using kubuntu background image | 03:40 |
| Riddell | err, really? | 03:41 |
| Riddell | for the login manager? | 03:41 |
| _StefanS_ | yep | 03:43 |
| _StefanS_ | but you can see its gtk ofcourse in the menus | 03:43 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: networkstatus complained about missing man pages, rebuilding. | 03:47 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: use debuild -nc to not clean it | 03:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: always do ;) | 03:50 |
| Riddell | phew | 03:50 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ltsp is really cool.. | 03:50 |
| Riddell | and obviously fix whatever part of the packaging was expecting man pages | 03:50 |
| _StefanS_ | did that already | 03:50 |
| _StefanS_ | boot my thinclient now :D | 03:50 |
| _StefanS_ | boot/booting | 03:50 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/networkstatustestservice': No such file or directory | 03:52 |
| _StefanS_ | err :) | 03:52 |
| Riddell | it has been re-written, new parts will appear and old ones disappear | 03:54 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm it doesn't seem like it gets compiled | 03:57 |
| _StefanS_ | Makefile.in doesnt exist | 03:57 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm.. missing an include it seems | 03:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I got the Makefile.in generated.. lets see how it builds. | 04:08 |
| fabo | Riddell: for an easy backport, dbus-x11 | dbus will be ok. i'm preparing 0.5.5-2 with a fix commited by egon | 04:14 |
| fabo | oh, about strigi ;) | 04:15 |
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| Riddell | fabo: yes, I should do that | 04:39 |
| Riddell | freespire showing their roots http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=850&slide=16 | 04:39 |
| Riddell | I recognise that logout dialogue http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=850&slide=17 | 04:40 |
| Riddell | fabo: did you patch strigi or kde4libs to work with each other? | 04:43 |
| fabo | Riddell: not done/looked yet, i will look tonight when preparing 0.5.5-2 | 04:44 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:56 |
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| mhb | Riddell: ooh, shiny | 05:07 |
| mhb | I wonder how much changed besides the artwork | 05:08 |
| Riddell | makes up for mepis dropping us anyway | 05:08 |
| Riddell | their choice of apps is quite different | 05:08 |
| Riddell | and of course they have codecs | 05:08 |
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| nixternal | umm, is it me or is freespire kmenu icon look a little fedorish | 06:10 |
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| Riddell | not just you nixternal | 06:24 |
| nixternal | I wonder why they would do their logo and make it look like that | 06:25 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: for that guy wanting and updated KRename, would it be alright to point him to my PPA so he can get 3.0.14 for Feisty, Edgy, or Dapper? | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: sure | 06:29 |
| nixternal | OK...I will work on that later and then email him off list | 06:30 |
| nixternal | I am doing a KDE 4 talk tomorrow for the Chicago GLUG...I think I am just going to use the Beta 1 packages instead of building from SVN :) to lazy right now to work on svn building all day | 06:31 |
| nixternal | plus I have seen they are having qt-copy issues in svn right now | 06:31 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: Isn't Gimp fundamentally GTK? | 06:48 |
| DaSkreech | As in it's more like GTK IS GIMP? | 06:49 |
| nixternal | you think? GTK == Gimp Tool Kit :) | 06:49 |
| DaSkreech | mhb: Nice pic of you :) | 06:51 |
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| mhb | greetings from freespire | 07:12 |
| nixternal | ouch | 07:13 |
| Tm_T | lets beat him! | 07:13 |
| mhb | nixternal: you cannot criticise properly if you dont try it | 07:13 |
| nixternal | mhb: I tried it one time while I was waiting for my wife at walmart :) | 07:13 |
| nixternal | it is KUbuntu with a Fedora logo :) | 07:14 |
| mhb | nixternal: well, you can spot more changes | 07:14 |
| nixternal | does it come with all of the restricted codecs or no? | 07:14 |
| mhb | for example, they are using The Powermanager with The Unusable UI | 07:14 |
| mhb | (kpowersave) | 07:15 |
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| nixternal | I just noticed that the icons shown in kdesu (I am in system settings) are horibbly pixelated | 07:16 |
| nrg88 | hi guys? what's up with all those UUIDs in fstab? when i install another kubuntu, i can't boot the previous one | 07:17 |
| mhb | nixternal: heh, that is the problem with not having all-size icons | 07:17 |
| nrg88 | it doesn't mount then my other partitions | 07:17 |
| nixternal | I haven't looked at fstab in a long long time | 07:17 |
| mhb | nixternal: crystal is plagued by that pretty much | 07:17 |
| nrg88 | i've installed tribe 4 | 07:18 |
| nixternal | I have 1 Ubuntu, 2 Kubuntu, 1 Debian, 1 openSUSE, and 1 Slackware on my machine and they all boot just fine :) | 07:18 |
| nrg88 | i had to delete the UUID codes from fstab and replace them with /dev/hda* s | 07:18 |
| nrg88 | else boot process failed with the filesystem cheking | 07:19 |
| nixternal | I have all of the UUID codes as well in my fstab | 07:19 |
| nrg88 | and it have me a root shell | 07:19 |
| nrg88 | i typed reboot in the root shell | 07:19 |
| nrg88 | and it continued booting | 07:19 |
| nixternal | # /dev/sda3 | 07:19 |
| nixternal | UUID=5c1030b7-c1b6-42bf-b67b-26e2b6fd850a /home ext3 defaults 0 2 | 07:19 |
| nrg88 | but none of my partitions (except root) were mounted | 07:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: what's their music app? | 07:20 |
| nrg88 | btw, i booted up the Kubuntu live cd, and none of the partitions were mounted | 07:20 |
| nrg88 | will automount make it in Gutsy final>? | 07:20 |
| Riddell | nrg88: there's no current work on that, I'd like to look at options in gutsy+1 | 07:21 |
| nrg88 | ok | 07:21 |
| nrg88 | after gutsy finished installing i attached a hdd to my pc | 07:21 |
| nrg88 | i couldn't get it to work using graphical methods | 07:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsongs | 07:22 |
| nrg88 | the KDE disk management (kcontrol) module was not working, it said something about the module being orphaned | 07:22 |
| nrg88 | and not loaded | 07:22 |
| nrg88 | :| | 07:22 |
| mhb | I have to admit I like their artwork consistency, and I like their windeco more | 07:23 |
| nrg88 | this didn't happen in feisty | 07:23 |
| nrg88 | (Disk & Filesystems in System Settings) | 07:24 |
| nrg88 | did gutsy get a new version of HAL or something? | 07:24 |
| Riddell | nrg88: that has nothing to do with hal | 07:27 |
| nrg88 | ok then | 07:27 |
| Hobbsee | night all | 07:28 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Night | 07:28 |
| nrg88 | but disk management is a little messed up in gutsy :| | 07:28 |
| mhb | night Hobbsee | 07:28 |
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| neversfelde|mobi | Riddell: ping | 07:54 |
| Riddell | hi neversfelde|mobi | 07:54 |
| neversfelde|mobi | Riddell: hi | 07:54 |
| neversfelde|mobi | Riddell: did you send that poster to me? | 07:54 |
| Riddell | neversfelde|mobi: it seems to be stuck at the house of a chap who doesn't want to commit to sending it | 07:55 |
| Riddell | neversfelde|mobi: you may want to send him an e-mail and ask if he'll send it (gordon@gjcp.net) | 07:56 |
| Riddell | and maybe CC kenny who is the person who should have it (kenny@kde.org) | 07:56 |
| neversfelde|mobi | ok, i'll do it. Thank you | 07:56 |
| mhb | Riddell: in an interesting side note, it seems Freespire devs decided to "fix" the bug about quicklauncher I was posting about :o) | 08:07 |
| nixternal | I don't get anything in my kicker with the kde4 packages | 08:10 |
| nixternal | anyone else experience this? | 08:10 |
| nixternal | OK, removing ~/.kde4 fixed it | 08:15 |
| Riddell | mhb: actually change something, or just not use it? | 08:15 |
| nixternal | man, I really like the fonts in Konsole in KDE 4 | 08:15 |
| Riddell | neversfelde|mobi: yes, that's a known issue with beta | 08:15 |
| Riddell | nixternal rather | 08:15 |
| jjesse | afternoon :) | 08:18 |
| nixternal | OOH! KDE Konsole does links #@#$ | 08:18 |
| nixternal | in KDE 4 that is :) | 08:18 |
| neversfelde|mobi | Riddell: nice to know :) | 08:18 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I thought I seen KOffice2 packages | 08:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yes, it didn't compile though | 08:21 |
| nixternal | ahh, OK | 08:21 |
| Riddell | some random cmake issue in the buildd I couldn't recreate | 08:21 |
| Riddell | possibly a give back is all it needs, I don't know | 08:22 |
| nixternal | give it a try...would be nice to use KPresenter from KOffice2 to give my presentation tomorrow :) | 08:22 |
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| Riddell | it compiled fine for me | 08:22 |
| nixternal | OK, I will grab the files and build them here | 08:23 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've added the kvkbd inclusion report to the queue | 08:29 |
| nixternal | rock on | 08:30 |
| nixternal | anyone trying out KDE 4 Beta packages...do your keyboard shortcuts work at all? | 09:01 |
| nixternal | when I am in Konqueror, and I type in an address and press enter, it doesn't do anything | 09:01 |
| nixternal | alt+f2 doesn't fire krunner either | 09:01 |
| nixternal | and my favorite alt+tab spits out funky stuff in konsole :) | 09:02 |
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| nixternal | welcome back ryanakca! how was camping? | 09:02 |
| nixternal | ooh, and there is Mez! | 09:03 |
| nixternal | OK, back to KDE 3..I have to get this presentation done | 09:03 |
| ryanakca | nice, hot, got lots of biking and kayaking in... and I finished HP7 | 09:03 |
| nixternal | what is HP7? | 09:05 |
| nixternal | nevermind | 09:05 |
| nixternal | derr | 09:05 |
| ryanakca | hehe | 09:05 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Hmm? | 09:06 |
| nixternal | shh | 09:06 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: any success with egroupware? | 09:07 |
| ScottK | No. Sorry. Haven't had time. | 09:07 |
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| steveire | Hi. Does http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kitchensync&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all mean there is no package for gutsy yet, and shouldn't there be one by now? | 09:10 |
| nixternal | !info kitchensync | 09:11 |
| ubotu | kitchensync: Synchronization framework. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 823 kB, installed size 2468 kB | 09:11 |
| nixternal | !info kitchensync gutsy | 09:11 |
| ubotu | Package kitchensync does not exist in gutsy | 09:11 |
| nixternal | interesting | 09:11 |
| mhb | Riddell: they are using one size for the K menu and the quicklauncher icons | 09:12 |
| mhb | (not sure if those are QL icons, but they are icons for apps) | 09:12 |
| steveire | yes. Interesting. | 09:13 |
| DaSkreech | !info ghostview gutsy | 09:20 |
| ubotu | Package ghostview does not exist in gutsy | 09:20 |
| DaSkreech | Hmm | 09:20 |
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| DaSkreech | mhb: Nice Hurd crack | 09:22 |
| mhb | DaSkreech: heh, yes :o) although in small/medium sized projects, it won't take that long | 09:25 |
| nixternal | it seems that kitchensync was commented out in the kdepim package | 09:27 |
| nixternal | steveire: | 09:28 |
| nixternal | * Added kitchensync.install file and fixed debian/control to prepare | 09:28 |
| nixternal | the build for future libopensync-dev enabled packaging. | 09:28 |
| nixternal | Everything is disabled by default . | 09:28 |
| steveire | nixternal: Cheers. What version? Do you know? | 09:28 |
| nixternal | 3.5.7-1ubuntu4 in Gutsy | 09:29 |
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| steveire | OK, fiesty one claims to be kitchensync v0.8 | 09:30 |
| DaSkreech | !search ghostview gutsy | 09:33 |
| ubotu | Found: gibbon, gutsy, newqueue, pidgin, ubuntu+1, gusty | 09:33 |
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| manchicken | I'm guessing that we stuck the maintainer string as the description in adept on purpose? | 10:18 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: hmm... going to the world pipe band championships tomorrow? | 10:27 |
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