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[12:37] <Tm_T> !ping
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[12:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: we got a bot (:
[12:37] <Tm_T> bug 1
[12:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 1 in jl "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
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[12:40] <kwwii> omg
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[12:41] <kwwii> stupid bad boring bot
[12:49] <jeroenvrp> will update process has begun
[12:50] <jeroenvrp> is it known that when updating "from" feisty with adept, it still says at the top "Upgrading Kubuntu to Version 7.04" << that should be 7.10
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[01:11] <nixternal> mhb: nice post!
[01:12] <mhb> nixternal: thanks! I never thought somebody would actually read it :o)
[01:12] <nixternal> of course I read it..and man I would love a KDE frontend to Gimp
[01:12] <mhb> nixternal: (re)writing portable code is exactly what I've been doing this summer of code
[01:12] <nixternal> there is a patch or a simple hack though that gives you that I thought
[01:13] <nixternal> whew, I just cleaned out my computer area..I just have my main desk to go now
[01:13] <nixternal> I found books that I need to get on Amazon
[01:13] <mhb> nixternal: which ones?
[01:13] <nixternal> text books...no good coding ones
[01:17] <mhb> nixternal: you should be happy, being American, you can get almost all books for a decent price on the net
[01:18] <nixternal> ya, that is pretty good... I am waiting for the 2 new Qt4 books to hit Amazon so I can buy them
[01:18] <mhb> nixternal: we Europeans (especially the Central and Eastern) would have to pay double the usual book price to get them
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[01:20] <jeroenvrp> grr the update crashed
[01:21] <mhb> jeroenvrp: that's not a bad thing :o)
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[01:21] <mhb> jeroenvrp: you can now file a bug so it gets fixed before the final release, and that's a good thing!
[01:21] <jeroenvrp> mhb: well, should I relaunch it
[01:21] <jeroenvrp> yeah but the traceback is gone
[01:22] <mhb> is it? aww
[01:22] <mhb> jeroenvrp: do you know at which stage it crashed?
[01:22] <mhb> jeroenvrp: file a bug and try to add as many information as you can remember
[01:22] <jeroenvrp> it crashed just after downloading
[01:23] <mhb> jeroenvrp: if it's not just a temporary crash bug, other people will fill more data about it
[01:24] <jeroenvrp> mhb: ok, I relaunched the updater
[01:24] <jeroenvrp> and it skips feitching, thats good - lets see
[01:24] <jeroenvrp> it seems to continue without crashing now
[01:25] <jeroenvrp> mhb: I can fill a bug, but I really dont know any details
[01:25] <jeroenvrp> so maybe just wait on someone else, so I can confirm
[01:28] <mhb> jeroenvrp: file a bug now
[01:28] <mhb> jeroenvrp: if nobody will confirm it we'll just close it after final Gutsy or something
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> mhb: ok, after the system has been updated
[01:28] <mhb> jeroenvrp: believe me, it's always better to fill a bug than to keep it to yourself
[01:28] <jeroenvrp> i know,
[01:30] <nixternal> ooh, just bought danimo's Qt book, and the other new Qt4 book (foundations)...man, Amazon is pretty darn cheap
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[01:51] <mhb> nixternal: heh, judging from the first comment on my blog, people seem to have problems with taking advice from a nobody :o)
[01:53] <Tm_T> mhb: what, hwere
[01:53] <Tm_T> aefljb,stg
[01:56] <mhb> Tm_T: just a comment to my blog post at planet.ubuntu.com (http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/english/write-reusable-code/ is the direct link, if you go crazy and want to read it :o). It's just an off-topic note, I can't really stay on topic at 2:00 am :o)
[01:56] <Tm_T> yeah, that was my intention
[01:58] <Tm_T> and ignore that first comment, it's BS
[01:58] <Tm_T> and I don't mean BrainStorming
[01:59] <mhb> Tm_T: hehe, right. He's partially right in me being nobody, but the advice was meant well and that's what counts.
[02:00] <Tm_T> well, you are not nobody if you write blog
[02:00] <Tm_T> or be developer of any kind
[02:01] <Tm_T> or be active in any other way
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I totally agree with you too!
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> who cares if you are a relative "nobody"
[02:02] <Tm_T> he doesn't know you, so not
[02:02] <Tm_T> doesn't matter
[02:02] <mhb> nosrednaekim: thanks :o)
[02:03] <mhb> let's get back to work, shall we? :o)
[02:03] <Tm_T> what work?
[02:03] <Tm_T> we have work?!
[02:03] <mhb> Tm_T: I do, don't you? :o)
[02:03] <Tm_T> ah, you have, yes, do your work, shush!
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> doing what? separating amarok from its frontend ;)
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[02:04] <mhb> nosrednaekim: hehe :o) I don't think it's possible anymore ... if you don't start your project with more frontends in mind, it would take many man-hours to make it so
[02:05] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it is with small Python projects, but not the larger ones
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[02:13] <nosrednaekim> heh
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> I guess Exaile is a total rewrite then.
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> in fact... it is because its in python.
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[02:23] <nosrednaekim> mhb: where is your code repository for the restricted-manager?
[02:32] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's currently merged with restricted-manager trunk
[02:32] <mhb> nosrednaekim: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/restricted-manager/trunk
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> ah ok, I just wanted to see if it worked on fiesty ;)
[02:33] <mhb> nosrednaekim: if you manage to install the new version of restricted-manager, it might
[02:34] <mhb> nosrednaekim: but restricted-manager has been updated for gutsy with more driver handlers and so on
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> sounds like a challenge :)
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> hmm trying to find a gutsy .deb
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> found a tar... that should work.
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> not to be a bother or anything mhb, if you are busy, just say so, but how do you install this restrictedmanager tar.gz file?
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[02:53] <jeroenvrp> well when openoffice-gnome and openoffice-kde are installed all looks and works fine :-)
[02:53] <jeroenvrp> and fast\1
[02:59] <mhb> nosrednaekim: not sure, why didn't you check out the code from the page I gave you?
[03:00] <mhb> nosrednaekim: "bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/restricted-manager/trunk "
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> I found the debs, and installed them, and it works on fiesty!
[03:18] <jeroenvrp> heh where is mplayer :-(
[03:23] <mhb> nosrednaekim: that's great
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yep, and I would get that bazzaar code except I don't have bzr and my mirror just crapped out. have to switch to a new mirror.
[03:32] <jeroenvrp> also not with aptitude, so it seems aptitude gives no error on multiverse, but doesnt download the package list
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[07:17] <lnxkde> sup
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=== Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | anyone want to help port kde/qt to lpia - Low Power on Intel Architecture? | Tribe 4 Released
=== Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug  9 16:04:17 2007
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[08:18] <nixternal> Riddell: when you get a chance, I need a "giveback" on the last kvkbd upload from yesterday (0.4.5-0ubuntu1). It FTBS on everything but i386 and it was due to broken kdelibs4-dev deps which seem to be fixed now..I just built it successfully in my PPA
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[10:56] <Riddell> nixternal: nothing I can do about that
[11:00] <Riddell> nixternal: infinity has given back
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[11:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is anyone looking into that KDE vs. openoffice thing at the moment ?
[11:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: hopefully calc is
[11:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: anyways.. there's also gtk issues with acroread
[11:45] <Riddell> _StefanS_: suse says there's issues with opera too, are you able to test that?
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[11:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: opera works
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[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm well I cant see the contents of the menus actually..
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: in opera
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just get only the outline, and nothing else... kinda wierd.
[12:22] <stdin> _StefanS_: I see menus in opera, what version?
[12:23] <_StefanS_> stdin: 9.22
[12:23] <_StefanS_> stdin: from opera.com, but the ubuntu one had the same issues
[12:23] <_StefanS_> stdin: when you run it from commandline, do you get a few errors about libawt.so and libjvm.so ?
[12:24] <_StefanS_> stdin: could be unrelated to gtk.. but not sure
[12:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ^ ?
[12:24] <stdin> I have 9.21 works fine, but I do get that LD_PRELOAD error, and for libjvm.so
[12:24] <_StefanS_> brb
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[12:29] <_StefanS_> clear
[12:29] <_StefanS_> :) oops
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[12:32] <_StefanS_> stdin: regarding that OOo issue.. try to install at-spi
[12:33] <stdin> what's that?
[12:33] <_StefanS_> stdin: something to do with gnome.. found something in a post from mandriva with same issue
[12:34] <_StefanS_> stdin: nah I was wrong. Dont fix anything at all. Just forget it
[12:34] <stdin> ooh, that was close :p
[12:35] <stdin> dpkg was just about to start then
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[12:40] <stdin> _StefanS_: it does seem to work one oo.o-gnome is installed (which depended on at-spi, libatspi1.0-0 and libxevie1)
[12:40] <stdin> s/one/once/
[12:41] <_StefanS_> ah ..
[12:41] <_StefanS_> installing at-spi by itself complains about missing libxevie1
[12:45] <stdin> tried removing oo.o-gnome and installing at-spi and libxevie1, it doesn't work, reinstalling oo.o-gnome works tho???
[12:46] <_StefanS_> uhm mine works with only openoffice.org-gtk
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[12:46] <stdin> I have both
[12:46] <morphir> Riddell: ping
[12:51] <Riddell> hi morphir
[12:53] <Riddell> nixternal: kvkbd built
[12:53] <Riddell> and strigi, yay
[12:53] <morphir> Riddell: I going trough the source of the graphical installer as we speak
[12:54] <morphir> Riddell: are you using the same installer for kubuntu as the one being used in ubuntu?
[12:54] <morphir> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubiquity/feisty/files/cjwatson%40canonical.com-20070412171803-l24i1bg4fxm2gpep?file_id=lib-20051205083518-f6c9a0a6f59269d6
[12:55] <Riddell> morphir: yes, different frontends but all part of the same package
[12:55] <morphir> cool, is this a qt frontend?
[12:55] <Riddell> morphir: the translations are the same
[12:55] <Riddell> yes, pyqt 4
[12:56] <morphir> ok, cool
[12:56] <morphir> Riddell: will there be a konsole output during install in gutsy?
[12:57] <Riddell> of the installer?  no
[12:57] <Riddell> it outputs to /var/log/installer/*
[12:59] <morphir> Riddell: if recall correctly when installing kubuntu feisty, the konsole window popped up in verbose mode
[12:59] <morphir> if I recall that is
[12:59] <Riddell> ubiquity has never used a console
[12:59] <Riddell> the dist upgrader does
[01:00] <morphir> ahh
[01:00] <morphir> so that was the case
[01:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is the battery monitor ready for gutsy.. kde-guidance, isn't it?
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[01:14] <Riddell> _StefanS_: kde-guidance-powermanager hasn't changed
[01:15] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I'd like to see it ported to qt 4 and someone did start it but I believe it's not really usable
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[01:20] <twosouls82> hi there
[01:20] <Riddell> hi twosouls82
[01:21] <twosouls82> Riddell: thanks for bringing the K to Ubuntu :)
[01:21] <Riddell> you're welcome.  of course there's plenty others who do it too
[01:21] <twosouls82> Riddell: I meant, for starting this all
[01:21] <twosouls82> you couldn't have done it alone
[01:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe I could assist in the porting then.. is there any new features required ?
[01:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: or just a straight port . ?
[01:22] <twosouls82> when I run konsole from kde4 beta 1, like suggested on the news page (either with the exports or in Xephyr), I get this error: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Cannot find the D-Bus session server
[01:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no new features, just needs to be adapted to pyqt 4, remove the KDE classes, python-dbus (which means it can listen for signals hopefully, not poll them)
[01:23] <twosouls82> tried launching dbus manually, but no luck
[01:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/utils/guidance/powermanager/
[01:23] <Riddell> give that a shot, let me know if it works at all ( sebas says it doesn't really, but it's something to start from)
[01:24] <Riddell> twosouls82: install dbus-x11 ?
[01:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: isn't it kde4's repo you gave me there?
[01:24] <twosouls82> Riddell: No candidate version found for dbus-x11
[01:24] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[01:25] <Riddell> twosouls82: do you have dbus-launch  installed?
[01:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: but its needs to work in 3.5.7.. right?
[01:25] <twosouls82> yepper, that's what I used to launch it manually
[01:25] <twosouls82> Riddell: -^
[01:26] <Riddell> _StefanS_: well it just uses qt 4
[01:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh, I get it.. so only deps should be qt4 then.. and not both kde/qt3 like it is now.
[01:26] <Riddell> yes
[01:26] <_StefanS_> got it.
[01:26] <_StefanS_> I will take a look.
[01:26] <Riddell> qt 4 provides everything needed, systray applet and popup widget and stuff
[01:27] <_StefanS_> righto.
[01:27] <twosouls82> Riddell: having qtcurve in the repos (for gutsy) would be nice; hence the qt3/qt4 mixture
[01:28] <Hobbsee> twosouls82:
[01:28] <Hobbsee> gtk2-engines-qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for Gtk2 based apps
[01:28] <Hobbsee> kde-style-klearlook - Clone of GNOME's Clearlooks theme for KDE
[01:28] <Hobbsee> kde-style-qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for KDE3 based apps
[01:28] <Hobbsee> kde4-style-qtcurve - Unified widget style for KDE and GTK+
[01:28] <Hobbsee> them?
[01:28] <twosouls82> old news =)
[01:29] <twosouls82> Hobbsee: nevermind (yep those)
[01:29] <sebas> For powermanager, we should stick with the Qt3 version and move to kpowersave for KDE4.
[01:29] <sebas> THat's what I discussed with Danny Kukawka in Glasgow
[01:29] <sebas> So bugfixes should go into branch
[01:32] <sebas> I don't think porting to PyQt4 is the right direction forward.
[01:32] <sebas> And I had enough beer with Danny so we're on the same line :P
[01:33] <mhb> sebas: hi, IMHO you probably should publish info about such discussions on the net .o) or was it published somewhere?
[01:36] <Riddell> _StefanS_: ^^  so maybe not worth it
[01:37] <Riddell> of course powersave still has the worst UI ever, but that's fixable
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[01:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so .. what now ? :)
[01:43] <mhb> _StefanS_: looking for a project?
[01:43] <_StefanS_> mhb: well yes, since kdesudo is stranded on a MIR, and Tonio_ isnt around for fade testing.
[01:44] <Riddell> script daily kde 4 snapshot compiles in a ppa
[01:44] <Riddell> port ldm and/or thin-client-manager to qt4
[01:45] <Riddell> package qt jambi
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: daily?  cprov would kill you
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: but weekly would be good
[01:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I would like to take a go at ldm.. its the ltsp login manager, right ?
[01:46] <Riddell> yes, it is
[01:46] <Riddell> it's c++ now I believe
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[01:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: alright.. and it should just look the same i reckon.
[01:47] <Riddell> well, some kubuntu artwork maybe :)
[01:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh yep.. :)
[01:48] <Riddell> _StefanS_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/edubuntu-kde
[01:49] <_StefanS_> thanks
[01:51] <kwwii> we can make the login look similar to kde but I do not think you can make it look the same
[01:52] <sebas> mhb: Yeah, at least on kde-hardware-devel
[01:52] <sebas> Riddell: We agreed on running it through usability
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[02:13] <_StefanS_> argh.. nfs-common is broken at the moment in gutsy due to missing initscripts (>= 2.86.ds1-38.1)..
[02:13] <_StefanS_> uhm.
[02:14] <Riddell> they're discussing that now, it needs merging sysvinit from debian
[02:14] <_StefanS_> oh.. actually I cant install ltsp before its worked out.. and then no ldm-qt before that :(
[02:14] <_StefanS_> typical.
[02:16] <Riddell> ask ogra about that
[02:16] <Riddell> other tasks include merging the new networkstatus infrastructure from suse (if suitable)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> yay, so many kde bugs...
[02:17] <Riddell> oh and updating ksplash-moodin to work with the new dialog.png size
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[02:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: got a link for the networkstatus ?
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[02:48] <_StefanS_> sweet .. initscripts is available now
[02:49] <Riddell> hmm, websvn seems to be down
[02:50] <Riddell> well, very slow
[02:50] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases
[02:50] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:50] <ubot3> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:50] <Riddell> _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/~wstephens/
[02:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: kdelibs, kdebase etc
[02:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it moves networkstatus from kdepim to kdelibs
[02:51] <_StefanS_> ah I see it there
[02:51] <_StefanS_> whats does it do ? :)
[02:51] <Riddell> you may be better getting the patches from suse factory
[02:52] <Riddell> makes networkstatus good hopefully (rather than e.g. konqueror saying it can't find anything when network-manager is disconnected)
[02:52] <Riddell> sebas may know more
[02:52] <Riddell> or for best details, /msg bille  directory
[02:52] <Riddell> directly
[02:53] <_StefanS_> ah yes I remember that bug
[02:53] <sebas> It makes kmail not ask if you want to work online every n minutes when you've set it to offline, for example.
[02:54] <_StefanS_> so should we build networkstatus into our kubuntu kdelibs ? or seperate package?
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[02:54] <sebas> built-in, why should it be separate?
[02:54] <_StefanS_> donno, just asking
[02:55] <_StefanS_> it could just be a dependency
[02:55] <Riddell> _StefanS_: build it as a separate package, built from kdelibs
[02:55] <Riddell> like it is now from kdepim
[02:55] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[02:55] <_StefanS_> well the ltsp thingy seems to work
[02:55] <Riddell> so just copy the debian/control and .install details from kdepim
[02:55] <_StefanS_> ok
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[02:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I dont see kdepim anywhere in kdelibs
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: was it removed?
[03:00] <Riddell> kdepim is a separate package
[03:00] <_StefanS_> thought you said it was built from kdelibs
[03:00] <_StefanS_> ah :) I get it
[03:00] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: i wish kde4 was usable....
[03:00] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: me 2
[03:01] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: make it usable, then it wont need to be backported
[03:01] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: yea.. but its probably pretty far off until we get atleast a RC
[03:01] <Riddell> _StefanS_: kdepim and kdelibs are source packages.  kdepim makes the binary package networkstatus.  these patches move networkstatus to kdelibs so that binary package should move to kdelibs
[03:01] <Riddell> (if it works)
[03:02] <_StefanS_> got it
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[03:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: trying a build now
[03:06] <_StefanS_> letts see what happends
[03:06] <_StefanS_> uhm-- back to ltsp.
[03:18] <Riddell> ooh, this klash/gnash thing really works
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[03:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: still building ...
[03:26] <Riddell> !language
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[03:26] <Riddell> hmm, two bots
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, one's dying
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[03:28] <ScottK> So I'm reading that starting October 1 (In Debian), Apt will install reccomends by default for all packages.  I'm assuming we'll get that change too.
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[03:28] <ScottK> Does that mean that if a Main package has a Universe recommends, it needs to either get an MIR or be dropped to suggests?
[03:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: kinda increases packages quite a bit on your system .. :)
[03:29] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:30] <ScottK> I don't know when mvo plans to put that into the Ubuntu Apt, but I'd hate to have a mess of packages in Main suddenly go uninstallable.
[03:35] <Riddell> ScottK: we have it in ubuntu apt for any package in the metapackages section
[03:35] <Riddell> which isn't many
[03:36] <Riddell> we did try it for all packages but of course lots of packages have unsuitable recommends
[03:36] <ScottK> Right, but this is for all packages.
[03:36] <Riddell> if debian changes apt to follow that policy then the packages will get updated with more sensible recommends
[03:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems like ltsp is already using kubuntu background image
[03:41] <Riddell> err, really?
[03:41] <Riddell> for the login manager?
[03:43] <_StefanS_> yep
[03:43] <_StefanS_> but you can see its gtk ofcourse in the menus
[03:47] <_StefanS_> Riddell: networkstatus complained about missing man pages, rebuilding.
[03:49] <Riddell> _StefanS_: use debuild -nc to not clean it
[03:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: always do ;)
[03:50] <Riddell> phew
[03:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ltsp is really cool..
[03:50] <Riddell> and obviously fix whatever part of the packaging was expecting man pages
[03:50] <_StefanS_> did that already
[03:50] <_StefanS_> boot my thinclient now :D
[03:50] <_StefanS_> boot/booting
[03:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/networkstatustestservice': No such file or directory
[03:52] <_StefanS_> err :)
[03:54] <Riddell> it has been re-written, new parts will appear and old ones disappear
[03:57] <_StefanS_> hmm it doesn't seem like it gets compiled
[03:57] <_StefanS_> Makefile.in doesnt exist
[03:59] <_StefanS_> uhm.. missing an include it seems
[04:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I got the Makefile.in generated.. lets see how it builds.
[04:14] <fabo> Riddell: for an easy backport, dbus-x11 | dbus will be ok. i'm preparing 0.5.5-2 with a fix commited by egon
[04:15] <fabo> oh, about strigi ;)
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[04:39] <Riddell> fabo: yes, I should do that
[04:39] <Riddell> freespire showing their roots http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=850&slide=16
[04:40] <Riddell> I recognise that logout dialogue http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=850&slide=17
[04:43] <Riddell> fabo: did you patch strigi or kde4libs to work with each other?
[04:44] <fabo> Riddell: not done/looked yet, i will look tonight when preparing 0.5.5-2
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[04:56] <bddebian> Heya
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[05:07] <mhb> Riddell: ooh, shiny
[05:08] <mhb> I wonder how much changed besides the artwork
[05:08] <Riddell> makes up for mepis dropping us anyway
[05:08] <Riddell> their choice of apps is quite different
[05:08] <Riddell> and of course they have codecs
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[06:10] <nixternal> umm, is it me or is freespire kmenu icon look a little fedorish
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[06:24] <Riddell> not just you nixternal
[06:25] <nixternal> I wonder why they would do their logo and make it look like that
[06:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: for that guy wanting and updated KRename, would it be alright to point him to my PPA so he can get 3.0.14 for Feisty, Edgy, or Dapper?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sure
[06:30] <nixternal> OK...I will work on that later and then email him off list
[06:31] <nixternal> I am doing a KDE 4 talk tomorrow for the Chicago GLUG...I think I am just going to use the Beta 1 packages instead of building from SVN :)  to lazy right now to work on svn building all day
[06:31] <nixternal> plus I have seen they are having qt-copy issues in svn right now
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[06:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Isn't Gimp fundamentally GTK?
[06:49] <DaSkreech> As in it's more like GTK IS GIMP?
[06:49] <nixternal> you think? GTK == Gimp Tool Kit :)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> mhb: Nice pic of you :)
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[07:12] <mhb> greetings from freespire
[07:13] <nixternal> ouch
[07:13] <Tm_T> lets beat him!
[07:13] <mhb> nixternal: you cannot criticise properly if you dont try it
[07:13] <nixternal> mhb: I tried it one time while I was waiting for my wife at walmart :)
[07:14] <nixternal> it is KUbuntu with a Fedora logo :)
[07:14] <mhb> nixternal: well, you can spot more changes
[07:14] <nixternal> does it come with all of the restricted codecs or no?
[07:14] <mhb> for example, they are using The Powermanager with The Unusable UI
[07:15] <mhb> (kpowersave)
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[07:16] <nixternal> I just noticed that the icons shown in kdesu (I am in system settings) are horibbly pixelated
[07:17] <nrg88> hi guys? what's up with all those UUIDs in fstab? when i install another kubuntu, i can't boot the previous one
[07:17] <mhb> nixternal: heh, that is the problem with not having all-size icons
[07:17] <nrg88> it doesn't mount then my other partitions
[07:17] <nixternal> I haven't looked at fstab in a long long time
[07:17] <mhb> nixternal: crystal is plagued by that pretty much
[07:18] <nrg88> i've installed tribe 4
[07:18] <nixternal> I have 1 Ubuntu, 2 Kubuntu, 1 Debian, 1 openSUSE, and 1 Slackware on my machine and they all boot just fine :)
[07:18] <nrg88> i had to delete the UUID codes from fstab and replace them with /dev/hda* s
[07:19] <nrg88> else boot process failed with the filesystem cheking
[07:19] <nixternal> I have all of the UUID codes as well in my fstab
[07:19] <nrg88> and it have me a root shell
[07:19] <nrg88> i typed reboot in the root shell
[07:19] <nrg88> and it continued booting
[07:19] <nixternal> # /dev/sda3
[07:19] <nixternal> UUID=5c1030b7-c1b6-42bf-b67b-26e2b6fd850a /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[07:19] <nrg88> but none of my partitions (except root) were mounted
[07:20] <Riddell> mhb: what's their music app?
[07:20] <nrg88> btw, i booted up the Kubuntu live cd, and none of the partitions were mounted
[07:20] <nrg88> will automount make it in Gutsy final>?
[07:21] <Riddell> nrg88: there's no current work on that, I'd like to look at options in gutsy+1
[07:21] <nrg88> ok
[07:21] <nrg88> after gutsy finished installing i attached a hdd to my pc
[07:21] <nrg88> i couldn't get it to work using graphical methods
[07:22] <mhb> Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsongs
[07:22] <nrg88> the KDE disk management (kcontrol) module was not working, it said something about the module being orphaned
[07:22] <nrg88> and not loaded
[07:22] <nrg88> :|
[07:23] <mhb> I have to admit I like their artwork consistency, and I like their windeco more
[07:23] <nrg88> this didn't happen in feisty
[07:24] <nrg88> (Disk & Filesystems in System Settings)
[07:24] <nrg88> did gutsy get a new version of HAL or something?
[07:27] <Riddell> nrg88: that has nothing to do with hal
[07:27] <nrg88> ok then
[07:28] <Hobbsee> night all
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Night
[07:28] <nrg88> but disk management is a little messed up in gutsy :|
[07:28] <mhb> night Hobbsee
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[07:54] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: ping
[07:54] <Riddell> hi neversfelde|mobi
[07:54] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: hi
[07:54] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: did you send that poster to me?
[07:55] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: it seems to be stuck at the house of a chap who doesn't want to commit to sending it
[07:56] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: you may want to send him an e-mail and ask if he'll send it (gordon@gjcp.net)
[07:56] <Riddell> and maybe CC kenny who is the person who should have it (kenny@kde.org)
[07:56] <neversfelde|mobi> ok, i'll do it. Thank you
[08:07] <mhb> Riddell: in an interesting side note, it seems Freespire devs decided to "fix" the bug about quicklauncher I was posting about :o)
[08:10] <nixternal> I don't get anything in my kicker with the kde4 packages
[08:10] <nixternal> anyone else experience this?
[08:15] <nixternal> OK, removing ~/.kde4 fixed it
[08:15] <Riddell> mhb: actually change something, or just not use it?
[08:15] <nixternal> man, I really like the fonts in Konsole in KDE 4
[08:15] <Riddell> neversfelde|mobi: yes, that's a known issue with beta
[08:15] <Riddell> nixternal rather
[08:18] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[08:18] <nixternal> OOH! KDE Konsole does links #@#$
[08:18] <nixternal> in KDE 4 that is :)
[08:18] <neversfelde|mobi> Riddell: nice to know :)
[08:20] <nixternal> Riddell: I thought I seen KOffice2 packages
[08:21] <Riddell> nixternal: yes, it didn't compile though
[08:21] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[08:21] <Riddell> some random cmake issue in the buildd I couldn't recreate
[08:22] <Riddell> possibly a give back is all it needs, I don't know
[08:22] <nixternal> give it a try...would be nice to use KPresenter from KOffice2 to give my presentation tomorrow :)
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[08:22] <Riddell> it compiled fine for me
[08:23] <nixternal> OK, I will grab the files and build them here
[08:29] <Riddell> nixternal: I've added the kvkbd inclusion report to the queue
[08:30] <nixternal> rock on
[09:01] <nixternal> anyone trying out KDE 4 Beta packages...do your keyboard shortcuts work at all?
[09:01] <nixternal> when I am in Konqueror, and I type in an address and press enter, it doesn't do anything
[09:01] <nixternal> alt+f2 doesn't fire krunner either
[09:02] <nixternal> and my favorite alt+tab spits out funky stuff in konsole :)
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[09:02] <nixternal> welcome back ryanakca! how was camping?
[09:03] <nixternal> ooh, and there is Mez!
[09:03] <nixternal> OK, back to KDE 3..I have to get this presentation done
[09:03] <ryanakca> nice, hot, got lots of biking and kayaking in... and I finished HP7
[09:05] <nixternal> what is HP7?
[09:05] <nixternal> nevermind
[09:05] <nixternal> derr
[09:05] <ryanakca> hehe
[09:06] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hmm?
[09:06] <nixternal> shh
[09:07] <ryanakca> ScottK: any success with egroupware?
[09:07] <ScottK> No.  Sorry.  Haven't had time.
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[09:10] <steveire> Hi. Does http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kitchensync&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all mean there is no package for gutsy yet, and shouldn't there be one by now?
[09:11] <nixternal> !info kitchensync
[09:11] <ubotu> kitchensync: Synchronization framework. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu6 (feisty), package size 823 kB, installed size 2468 kB
[09:11] <nixternal> !info kitchensync gutsy
[09:11] <ubotu> Package kitchensync does not exist in gutsy
[09:11] <nixternal> interesting
[09:12] <mhb> Riddell: they are using one size for the K menu and the quicklauncher icons
[09:12] <mhb> (not sure if those are QL icons, but they are icons for apps)
[09:13] <steveire> yes. Interesting.
[09:20] <DaSkreech> !info ghostview gutsy
[09:20] <ubotu> Package ghostview does not exist in gutsy
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Hmm
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[09:22] <DaSkreech> mhb: Nice Hurd crack
[09:25] <mhb> DaSkreech: heh, yes :o) although in small/medium sized projects, it won't take that long
[09:27] <nixternal> it seems that kitchensync was commented out in the kdepim package
[09:28] <nixternal> steveire:
[09:28] <nixternal>   * Added kitchensync.install file and fixed debian/control to prepare
[09:28] <nixternal>     the build for future libopensync-dev enabled packaging.
[09:28] <nixternal>     Everything is disabled by default .
[09:28] <steveire> nixternal: Cheers. What version? Do you know?
[09:29] <nixternal> 3.5.7-1ubuntu4 in Gutsy
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[09:30] <steveire> OK, fiesty one claims to be kitchensync v0.8
[09:33] <DaSkreech> !search ghostview gutsy
[09:33] <ubotu> Found: gibbon, gutsy, newqueue, pidgin, ubuntu+1, gusty
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[10:18] <manchicken> I'm guessing that we stuck the maintainer string as the description in adept on purpose?
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[10:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm... going to the world pipe band championships tomorrow?
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