[12:37] <databuddy> heh
[12:37] <databuddy> i think some of the screensavers are causing problems with my intel stuff
[12:37] <databuddy> i get full lockups and no ping even - not exactly sure why cant find reasons in the logs
[12:37] <databuddy> tho it might not even be that >_<
[12:49] <Pumpernickel> Could be faulty hardware.  That kind of thing can happen if you have e.g; an overloaded PSU.
[12:59] <nickspoon> Can someone who uses samba and gutsy check something for me?
[01:20] <voidmage> I have a weird thing with xchat and compiz
[01:20] <voidmage> whenever I switch channels in xchat the window goes transparent
[01:20] <voidmage> the only fix I found was to disable fading windows, alt-tab to xchat, then reenable fading windows
[01:20] <voidmage> this fixes it until i switch channels again
[01:20] <voidmage> i still have to disable it freshly to fix it though
[01:21] <pwnguin> nickspoon: i have samba at home
[01:21] <pwnguin> nickspoon: and gutsy on my laptop
[01:21] <pwnguin> nickspoon: is that similar enough?
[01:21] <Shadow_mil> you know, this channel should be #ubuntu++
[01:22] <nickspoon> pwnguin: It's a problem with the gutsy smb.conf (I think) so if you have samba installed on gutsy then you can help :D
[01:22] <pwnguin> nickspoon: i don't have samba set up on gutsy =/
[01:22] <nickspoon> pwnguin: Ah well :/
[01:23] <laga_> hello guys.
[01:23] <shayne> hi ... just installed xubuntu gutsy (daily snapshot from couple days ago) ...whenever i try to install/uninstall stuff from synaptic, i get this error:
[01:23] <shayne> dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 57
[01:23] <pwnguin> nickspoon: but at least it seems the problem where nautilus can't browse smb is fixed
[01:23] <nickspoon> pwnguin: Well, set up doesn't matter, provided it's installed.
[01:23] <shayne> dpkg can't configure/install/remove ttf-opensymbol
[01:23] <nickspoon> Hmm, no, this is a different one I think.
[01:23] <voidmage> any ideas about my xchat problem?
[01:24] <laga_> i'm using a gutsy chroot with pbuilder on feisty. when i want to run apt-get update, it fails with the following error message: http://www.pastebin.ca/651722 can anyone take a look?
[01:25] <shayne> here's a paste of the whole error: http://www.pastebin.ca/651725
 whenever I switch channels in xchat the window goes transparent
 the only fix I found was to disable fading windows, alt-tab to xchat, then reenable fading windows
 this fixes it until i switch channels again
[01:26] <albert23> nickspoon: looks like samba is installed by default. I can browse windows share from gutsy
[01:26] <pwnguin> nickspoon: its simple to install samba ;)
[01:27] <pwnguin> albert23: samba serves smb/cifs from the computer; other stuff is used to simply browse other windows shares
[01:27] <nickspoon> shayne: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg266900.html
[01:29] <nickspoon> Basically, I need someone to look in their /etc/samba/smb.conf and tell me how many times "valid users = %S" occurs (without quotes) and if any of those times it is not preceded by a ;.
[01:29] <voidmage> weird
[01:30] <voidmage> a restart of xchat fixed it
[01:31] <albert23> nickspoon: 1 time
[01:31] <nickspoon> albert23: With or without a ; ?
[01:32] <albert23> 1 time with ; and 1 time without ;
[01:32] <nickspoon> OK, thanks.
[01:32] <alteroo> !hi
[01:32] <ubotwo> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[01:32] <alteroo> what happend to ubotu?
[01:33] <nickspoon> albert23: Do you still have smb.conf up?
[01:33] <albert23> nickspoon: it's just a bit strange, both are in homes section
[01:33] <albert23> yep
[01:34] <nickspoon> albert23: Has [homes]  got a ; as well?
[01:34] <albert23> For me it has, but I am not serving anything yet
[01:34] <nickspoon> Right, thanks.
[01:35] <nickspoon> If you'd like to be saved a lot of hassle, get rid of the valid users = %S that doesn't have a ;.
[01:39] <shayne> nickspoon: cheers for that link - worked for me :)
[01:39] <nickspoon> shayne: Glad to help :)
[01:40] <nemik> hi guys. is anyone using a thinkpad t61 with tribe4 in here?
[01:50] <afief> Whenever I try to boot from the Tribe4 CD I get an error "Can't access TTY. job control turned off" is there any known workaround?
[02:06] <nemik> hmm so it boots, resolution is correct but menus are stuck for diff resolution
[02:16] <nemik> http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3540/screenshotam5.png here is screenshot. this is a little crazy
[02:18] <Tm_T> nice
[02:19] <nedw> has anyone else got extremely small text in the newest update to gutsy?
[02:19] <nemik> lol yea. i just tried adding the 1440x900 resolution to xorg and now won't boot
[02:20] <nedw> super annoying :(
[02:20] <nedw> at least i can still see it :)
[02:20] <nemik> heh it's still 183838747 times better than what feisty gave me on this machine
[02:20] <nemik> oh and no sound or mic either.
[02:21] <nedw> what do you mean it's that much better?
[02:22] <nemik> well for one, X actually loads
[02:22] <nedw> hehe
[02:22] <nemik> the joys of linacks
[02:23] <nedw> well, linux is fun
[02:23] <nemik> oh for sure. i still love it
[02:23] <nedw> and free so you can mess around as much as you want without worrying
[02:24] <nemik> afief: that just happened to me. in your BIOS config, change your SATA thing to be compatibility instead of AHCP or whatever
[02:24] <nedw> shoot!
[02:24] <nedw> i was waiting for bug day and it was yesterday :(
[02:24] <nedw> oh well
[02:24] <nemik> ? what is that?
[02:25] <nedw> well, it's a day where everyone gets together to triage/smash bugs i think
[02:25] <nedw> i thought i'd have some fun but i just missed it
[02:26] <laga_> nedw: you could fix my apt-get problem ;)
[02:26] <nedw> laga_: what's wrong?
[02:27] <laga_> nedw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/130813
[02:29] <nedw> well i don't know anything about bugs and fixing them
[02:29] <nedw> so, laga_, your bug could be the first i "triage"
[02:30] <afief> nemik, I don't have the laptop around right now, could you tell me where in the bios i'll find that setting?
[02:30] <laga_> nedw: heh :)
[02:30] <nemik> afief: i don't know what kind of laptop or bios you have so just look around. on mine it is under config->sata
[02:31] <nedw> laga_: i get the same problem with one repository
[02:31] <laga_> nedw: it happens to me when i enable the multiverse repo and use apt-get
[02:31] <nedw> "Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch" that's mine
[02:31] <laga_> yeah
[02:31] <laga_> i get about the same
[02:31] <laga_> i wonder if the archive admins need to do something. hum
[02:35] <nedw> so far i haven't found any duplicates
[02:35] <nedw> you're the first one to report
[02:35] <nedw> i'll try to add my hash mismatch link too
[02:42] <nedw> laga_: lol looks like you didn't report it, but just commented on it :)
[02:43] <laga_> nedw: yes :)
[02:45] <DanaG> On my laptop, I can't disable AHCI mode.  However, AHCI mode works just fine for me.
[02:51] <neo2dot0> hi
[02:51] <neo2dot0> i got a strange problem: in gutsy, my down arrow key is dead
[02:52] <neo2dot0> how can I tackle this?
[02:53] <laga_> nedw: thank you very much for verifying this :)
[02:53] <nedw> laga_: you're certainly welcome
[02:53] <laga_> neo2dot0: is it dead everywhere or just on the console?
[02:54] <neo2dot0> laga_: everywhere.
[02:54] <neo2dot0> I will give you the xev events in a moment
[02:58] <neo2dot0> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33196/
[02:58] <nemik> woo! fixed the display! Had to turn off tv-mode or something
[02:59] <neo2dot0> the first 3 lines correspond to the down arrow, the last one I'm not sure.
[02:59] <nedw> laga_: i'm trying to get that bug confirmed :)
[02:59] <nedw> laga_: i think we have enough info
[03:01] <laga_> neo2dot0: are you the first two lines are not just you clicking the window?
[03:02] <neo2dot0> laga_: absolutely. all 3 lines appear on pressing the down arrow.
[03:02] <mrsno> cdimage.ubuntu.com is peaking out my line, nice
[03:03] <neo2dot0> and I can reproduce it.
[03:04] <neo2dot0> In Feisty, on the same computer, it all works fine.
[03:04] <neo2dot0> so it is no hardware issue.
[03:04] <laga_> neo2dot0: odd. hum. since it happens on the console as well, it might be a kernel issue?
[03:07] <neo2dot0> laga_: ouch. on the ctrl alt f1 console, the problem is gone...
[03:07] <neo2dot0> so the kernel seems alright
[03:08] <laga_> neo2dot0: so it's X then
[03:08] <neo2dot0> yes
[03:09] <neo2dot0> I use some modified keyboard layout. But on the normal qwertz layout, it doesn't work either.
[03:10] <neo2dot0> But honestly, my knowledge ends here.
[03:11] <laga_> same for me. bug the X guys in launchpad i'd say
[03:13] <neo2dot0> it's about time I got started with launchpad
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> i updated to gutsy, but mplater en mencoder seems to be not in the repos
[03:20] <jeroenvrp> i have multiverse enabled
[03:20] <RAOF> !info mplayer
[03:21] <ubotwo> mplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[03:21] <RAOF> !info mplayer gutsy
[03:21] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[03:21] <RAOF> What's happened to ubotu?
[03:21] <RAOF> Gah.  Anyway, mplayer & mencoder are in the repos.
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> RAOF: not here
[03:21] <jeroenvrp> strange
[03:22] <jeroenvrp> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main universe restricted multiverse
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> RAOF: oh wait there seems to be a problem
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[03:24] <laga_> jeroenvrp: something about a sum mismatch?
[03:24] <laga_> jeroenvrp: heh. use aptitude update
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> laga_: :-)
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> ok
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> why
[03:24] <laga_> jeroenvrp: i dunno. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/130813
[03:24] <laga_> jeroenvrp: add a "me too" there ;)
[03:24] <jeroenvrp> ah ok
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> and now see it mencoder is fixed
[03:26] <jeroenvrp> laga_: allthough apt-get can't install it
[03:27] <boris55> will the VPN part of network manager be shipped with ubuntu 7.10 or will I have to install it by adding another repo like in 7.04?
[03:27] <laga_> jeroenvrp: add that to the bug report then
[03:28] <neo2dot0> You get that too? Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 nicht holen  Hash Sum mismatch
[03:29] <laga_> heh
[03:29] <laga_> yes
[03:29] <laga_> neo2dot0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/130813
[03:36] <jeroenvrp>  also not with aptitude, so it seems aptitude gives no error on multiverse, but doesnt download the package list
[03:39] <laga_> oh
[03:39] <laga_> that's interesting
[03:40] <laga_> jeroenvrp: i get "Get:7 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Packages [158kB] "
[03:40] <laga_> when using aptitude update
[03:40] <jeroenvrp> laga_: yes, me to (main server) but did you try to install something from multiverse
[03:41] <laga_> although packages from multiverse are not installable, right
[03:41] <jeroenvrp> indeed
[03:41] <laga_> hum
[03:42] <jeroenvrp> when I look into the details of e.g. mplayer it gives no version number and such
[03:43] <jeroenvrp> it is only listed because another package is pointing to it
[03:43] <jeroenvrp> "Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[04:28] <CydeSwype> hey all.  with the last update to compiz git i've been getting crashes when running compiz.  i see there's some reports in launchpad for compiz crashes, but they are all marked incomplete
[04:29] <CydeSwype> anything i can do to help gather info on compiz crashes?
[04:34] <linoleum> I am with Feisty : how can I pass to gusty , without using the CD ?
[04:38] <FireHazard17> linoleum: i did it that way
[04:39] <FireHazard17> but it was a long hassle i dont want to describe
[04:41] <DanaG> OOooooooh, libpam-gnome-keyring
[04:41] <DanaG> sweet.
[04:43] <DanaG> ...but another topic: I still think Gobuntu is a bad name.
[04:43] <DanaG> In my mind, Go == mobile.
[04:44] <ameyer> umm, gobuntu?
[04:44] <DanaG> !info gobuntu-desktop
[04:44] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:44] <ameyer> is that the GNuisance clone?
[04:45] <ameyer> or are you talking about goobuntu, the hypothetical google linux version
[04:45] <DanaG> I'm talking about Gobuntu -- the free-only version.
[04:47] <ameyer> yeah, gobuntu is a terrible name
[04:47] <DanaG> Even Freebuntu would be better.
[04:47] <DanaG> I mean, what the heck is Go?
[04:50] <ameyer> heck, Zealotbuntu would be a more descriptive name
[04:50] <ameyer> I mean, I suspect that only a FLOSS zealot would run it
[04:51] <ameyer> but what do I know?
[04:53] <cps1966> why is nvidia still 9755
[04:53] <DanaG> !info cheese
[04:53] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[04:54] <DanaG> !info cheese gutsy
[04:54] <DanaG> argh.
[04:54] <DanaG> pi  cheese                          - A tool to take pictures and videos from yo
[05:03] <CydeSwype> anyone else having wireless issues?  i'm on an intel chipset 3945 (dell lappy) and it takes many tries before i can establish a connection
[05:03] <CydeSwype> WPA was finally fixed though.  very happy about that
[05:04] <nedw> what is the new package name for ubuntu-restricted-extras in gutsy?
[05:08] <se7en^Of^9> does someone else have problems with open office (doesn"t start)
[05:09] <mattyv> nedw: as far as my package list tells me, it's still ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:09] <IdleOne> how do I know if I am running tribe4? started a update this morning and left it unatended and my computer was unplugged by my wife so I am not sure if update completted or not
[05:11] <mattyv> IdleOne: Reload the package list (System > Admin > Update Manager is one way, if there's nothing to be updated you're on tribe4
[05:11] <nedw> mattyv: doesn't show up for me
[05:11] <nedw> i tried with updated package lists using apt-get and aptitude
[05:11] <nedw> it shows up on gnome-app-install but it crashes when i select it
[05:11] <nedw> i can't find it in synaptic either
[05:12] <mattyv> nedw: hmm, all repos enabled in sources.list?
[05:12] <nedw> let me see
[05:12] <nedw> as far as i know, yes; i'm going to regenerate it anyway - i've been meaning to
[05:13] <mattyv> ok, worth a shot
[05:13] <se7en^Of^9> y
[05:13] <CydeSwype> i'm not seeing it in synaptic either
[05:13] <CydeSwype> ubuntu-restricted-extras that is
[05:14] <CydeSwype> and i definitely have all my repos enabled
[05:14] <tehk> Anyone have an issue with their deskbar results showing up in a window?
[05:15] <Kousotu> tehk: what you mean?
[05:15] <tehk> Well when I use deskbar now, instead of a drop down menu with results I get a window. With two boxes. One with the seach thing and the other with the results. Like the window manager is drawing a frame
[05:16] <cps1966> multiverse repo is f**ked up
[05:16] <mattyv> Package: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:16] <mattyv> Priority: optional
[05:16] <mattyv> Section: multiverse/metapackages
[05:16] <mattyv> Not meaning to spam, that's an apt-cache show on the extras for me
[05:16] <sn0n> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[05:16] <sn0n> known ?
[05:17] <tehk> Yea it has to do with apt being updated
[05:17] <RAOF> sn0n: Known.
[05:17] <sn0n> kk.  :-D
[05:17] <sn0n> :: looks around :: guess i'll idle here.. ;-)
[05:17] <tehk> I wonder do you think I might need to make compiz by pass the deskbar window?
[05:18] <pawalls> Anyone else having trouble mounting nfs4 exports in gutsy?
[05:18] <sn0n> oo , i guess i can report that too.. how many people are reporting no 'gnome welcome screen' and panels not loading, randomly, during login ?
[05:19] <nedw> there's a bug report for hash troubles which seems to be something to do with multiverse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/130813
[05:19] <nedw> tehk: i have the same deskbar window
[05:20] <tehk> nedw, awesome. Atleast I am not insane
[05:20] <nedw> tehk: :) i don't have any compiz working
[05:20] <nedw> it's just metacity
[05:21] <sn0n> deskbar window? screenie pls  :-D
[05:21] <tehk> incoming
[05:21] <sn0n> http://e-texteditor.com/index.html   linux port in progress, yey for more editors!!  (althou, its a wxwidgets based, looks nice)
[05:22] <sn0n> (not affiliated, just saw updates on digg)
[05:22] <nedw> screenie: http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1200/deskbarwindowir8.png
[05:22] <tehk> http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/2528/screenshotxd8.png
[05:23] <tehk> excuse the apple wallpaper. one of the few things they do right.
[05:23] <sn0n> nice nice  :-D
[05:23] <sn0n> http://sn0n.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/vista_gnome.png
[05:23] <sn0n> thats mine from January
[05:23] <sn0n> right now im vanilla ubuntu effects: off
[05:23] <nedw> nice
[05:24] <nedw> tehk: i like your desktop - mines trash
[05:24] <tehk> It is usable and to the point.
[05:24] <sn0n> default is productive / effective
[05:24] <sn0n> :-D
[05:25] <nedw> you can see in the screenie i took that i am suffering from this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/118745
[05:25] <nedw> it's HORRIBLE
[05:25] <tehk> yea I use a default setup basically. Except for the clock and scale/workspace plugin from compiz-fusion
[05:25] <sn0n> oo.. is that why some of my fonts are bigg.. LoL
[05:25] <sn0n> not HUGE
[05:26] <sn0n> but a good 3-5 pixels larger then normal on some areas
[05:26] <Kousotu> hey bullgard4
[05:26] <nedw> sn0n, yeah probably
[05:26] <nedw> sn0n: i can't wait for the fix
[05:26] <sn0n> the 'Applications / Places / System' is a lil larger then im used to
[05:27] <sn0n> it was the first thing i saw, was like 'whoa, thats about 4 pixels larger then normal'
[05:27] <sn0n> lol
[05:27] <nedw> sn0n, it got screwed up in some recent update
[05:27] <sn0n> and ima pixel real estate junkie...
[05:27] <sn0n> LoL
[05:27] <sn0n> Pixel Nazi ?
[05:27] <sn0n> lol
[05:27] <nedw> sn0n, well trust me bigger is better
[05:27] <sn0n> lol
[05:28] <nedw> small is hardly bearable
[05:28] <Kousotu> lol
[05:28] <bullgard4> Kousotu: gm! I just got up and still am somewhat sleepy.
[05:28] <sn0n> everything is nice in ur screenie
[05:28] <nedw> is that even a word? bearable
[05:28] <Kousotu> it's 10 PM at night lol
[05:28] <sn0n> hehe, yeah
[05:28] <sn0n> :-D
[05:28] <nedw> 11:30 PM here :)
[05:28] <sn0n> 8:30pm here
[05:28] <sn0n> good ol ca
[05:28] <Kousotu> 10:28 lol
[05:28] <nedw> good old florida :)
[05:29] <Kousotu> Indana
[05:29] <Kousotu> lol
[05:29] <sn0n> Linux needs to make it easier to report bugs
[05:29] <nedw> moving to ohio soon
[05:29] <sn0n> for lazy people like me
[05:29] <tehk> So what is the preferred way to report a bug that is gutsy only. [gutsy]  in the title of the bug report?
[05:29] <sn0n> who'd rather come in here, paste a line or two
[05:29] <sn0n> and forget it
[05:29] <cps1966> ohio is nice where i live
[05:29] <nedw> sn0n, lol
[05:29] <sn0n> its true. ;-)
[05:29] <sn0n> whats the FIRST thing i do when i gotta bug?
[05:30] <sn0n> :: opens pidgin, logs into freenode, joins chan, paste and wait ::
[05:30] <RAOF> sn0n: Search launchpad, and see if anyone else has reported it.
[05:30] <sn0n> too much work
[05:30] <sn0n> LoL
[05:30] <tehk> Well then why use alpha
[05:30] <sn0n> <~~~ impatient user type
[05:30] <sn0n> cuz i know how to fix somethings
[05:30] <sn0n> and im pretty good mucking around in term
[05:31] <sn0n> but thats different
[05:31] <sn0n> thats fun
[05:31] <sn0n> reporting bugs = not fun
[05:31] <sn0n> maybe i should,.. WTF WAS THAT
[05:31] <sn0n> hahaha
[05:31] <nedw> sn0n, reporting bugs is actually pretty easier
[05:31] <tehk> Well it does equal more applications due to users
[05:31] <sn0n> 'tracker-extract' closed unexpectedly
[05:31] <nedw> *easy
[05:31] <sn0n> twice
[05:31] <sn0n> whats that
[05:31] <sn0n> LoL
[05:32] <nedw> it's for bittorrent food
[05:32] <nedw> lol
[05:32] <sn0n> :: hits close on both ::
[05:32] <sn0n> i dont think it is.. im not DLing any torrents
[05:32] <nedw> i'm just kidding
[05:33] <sn0n> hehe
[05:33] <IdleOne> mattyv, ty for the tip earlier upgrade is in progress
[05:34] <mattyv> IdleOne: np
[05:34] <sn0n> anyone goto LinuxWorld Expo this year?
[05:34] <sn0n> err... this week rather
[05:34] <IdleOne> wish I could
[05:34] <sn0n> no you dont. promise.
[05:34] <IdleOne> haha why not?
[05:35] <nedw> i can't
[05:35] <sn0n> half of it was "next generation data center" or something lame, which basically meant 'every box was running windows'
[05:35] <IdleOne> windows at the Linux expo?
[05:35] <sn0n> other half had a WINDOWS BOOTH!!! (for their windows IT / Microsoft SQL) Magazine
[05:35] <IdleOne> makes no sense
[05:35] <sn0n> yes.. it was stupid
[05:35] <sn0n> linux world expo split in half.. for the expo
[05:36] <sn0n> one half linux world
[05:36] <nedw> i'm only 13 maybe when i get older :)
[05:36] <sn0n> other half 'ngdc' next generation data center
[05:36] <sn0n> or something
[05:36] <sn0n> the ngdc half was all MS basically
[05:36] <IdleOne> nedw, ask your parents to take you
[05:36] <sn0n> every comp had win2k3 or winxp
[05:36] <nedw> IdleOne: i'm busy all week anyway
[05:36] <sn0n> so.. i think this was the last year i'll be going
[05:37] <cps1966> thats stupid i would have walked out
[05:37] <sn0n> free shirts were good while they lasted
[05:37] <sn0n> yeh.. i was disappointed that linuxworld even ALLOWED windows to have a booth
[05:38] <IdleOne> sn0n, if mcrosoft is willing to pay for displays at the Linux Expo heh why not
[05:38] <IdleOne> microsoft that is
[05:38] <sn0n> it was funny, they guy said 'well, we write alot about linux in our magazine, so we wanted to be here to let the linux community know we are here, and we're writing linux articles'
[05:38] <cps1966> sounds like greed to me all they care about is money
[05:38] <IdleOne> cps1966, takes money to support Linux
[05:38] <sn0n> i said 'ive had a complimentry subscription for two years now, and all i see is fud in Windows|IT Pro
[05:39] <sn0n> he was like 'sorry you feel that way
[05:39] <sn0n> and i wasnt even lying either!!
[05:41] <tehk> Anyone else having the deskbar issue can find my bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/131446
[05:42] <bullgard4> I am looking for a better alternatve for OO.o Base. The OO. Base frontend does not provide a keyboard shortcut for 'Go to the next record', 'Go to the last record', 'Go to the previous record'. The 'Search for a record' keyboard shortcut Ctrl+F only opens if the cursor is prevously placed at certain screen areas. 43000 records, GUI mandatory.
[05:44] <CydeSwype> fixed my compiz-fusion issues
[05:45] <CydeSwype> i had used envy to get it working originally on gutsy, but i think that jacked some of my packages up
[05:45] <CydeSwype> followed this site's purge and reinstall instructions:  http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/upgrade_to_ubuntu_gutsy_tribe_3_alpha/
[05:45] <CydeSwype> seems fine now
[05:51] <CydeSwype> another issues though...somewhere along the line, i lost my middle click emulation
[05:51] <CydeSwype> mouse properties don't seem to allow me to re-enable middle click (3rd button) emulation
[06:13] <mattyv> bullgard4: not sure if you've tried already, but you might find more answers in #ubuntu rather than #ubuntu+1
[06:17] <bullgard4> mattyv: I will give it a try. Thank you.
[06:19] <pawalls> Broken deps for nfs-common
[06:21] <jmg> !tribe
[06:22] <IdleOne> jmg,  /topic
[06:22] <jmg> link :(
[06:23] <jmg> found it
[06:29] <nemik> so is there automatix for gutsy or how to get all that stuff now?
[06:29] <RAOF> !automatix
[06:29] <RAOF> Gah, no ubotu.
[06:30] <RAOF> nemik: Basically, we recommend against using automatix in it's current form
 automatix is bad
[06:30] <RAOF> nemik: See  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html for more details
[06:32] <jmg> :(
[06:32] <jmg> is there a better app than dvd::rip in ubuntu?
[06:33] <nemik> RAOF: yea yea i know people don't like it. but is it available still? it has never once given me a problem
[06:34] <RAOF> nemik: You'll need to ask the automatix team.  I don't believe that it exists for gutsy.
[06:34] <nemik> ok cool. thanks
[06:34] <RAOF> nemik: Also, most of the stuff that automatix does is done by ubuntu tools, now.
[06:34] <RAOF> nemik: You shouldn't *need* to use it
[06:35] <nemik> hmm ok i'll give that a shot then on gutsy. arnie says ax2 won't be available until a week before release
[06:36] <pwnguin> which is fantastic planning
[06:37] <RAOF> pwnguin: Testing is for the week.
[06:37] <RAOF> s/week/weak/
[06:37] <pwnguin> i think it was better the first way ;)
[06:38] <pwnguin> nemik: what does automatix accomplish for you personally?
[06:39] <nemik> pwnguin: instant gratification in a way. one thing that i can just run once and get all the codecs and things without having to look for them individually
[06:39] <elkbuntu> you dont have to look for codecs individually
[06:39] <RAOF> nemik: As opposed to "apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[06:40] <voidmage> Failed to fetch http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
[06:40] <nemik> RAOF: so that will do it? cool. i'll give that a shot thanks
[06:40] <voidmage> anyone else getting that?
[06:41] <RAOF> voidmage: Everyone
[06:41] <pwnguin> RAOF: it's too bad ubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't have an Add/Remove item
[06:41] <voidmage> good to know
[06:41] <RAOF> pwnguin: File a bug? :)
[06:42] <pwnguin> RAOF: against what?
[06:42] <nemik> RAOF: i'm not even getting ubuntu-restricted-extras. what repo should i enable for that?
[06:42] <pwnguin> probably multiverse
[06:42] <RAOF> pwnguin: ubuntu-restricted-extras, presumably :)
[06:42] <pwnguin> its restricted, and extra
[06:42] <voidmage> um..
[06:42] <voidmage> i don't even know
[06:42] <voidmage> probably multiverse
[06:42] <voidmage> since that's what's failing right now
[06:42] <nemik> hmm automatix would put in the repo automatically so there's one advantage right there
[06:43] <mattyv> I think most new users are well served by things like the window asking if you want to install a codec when you try to play something in totem. Rather than going and finding all codecs etc before the need arises
[06:43] <pwnguin> afaik, its just a virtual package that depends on the codec packages you might want
[06:43] <mattyv> but that's only my view
[06:43] <pwnguin> i dont see the cost in adding them all at once
[06:43] <pwnguin> oh no, i can play divx before i know i want to
[06:43] <pwnguin> whatever shall i do
[06:44] <pwnguin> the wasted disk space is appauling
[06:44] <pwnguin> i'd rather see them fix mkv playback
[06:44] <mattyv> nor do i, but for someone new it's another thing they have to learn to do (ie. they don't know -restricted-extras exists)
[06:44] <pwnguin> and improve h264 while we're asking ffor things outta the blue ;)
[06:45] <pwnguin> mattyv: which goes back to the question of, what do we include by default and why?
[06:45] <mattyv> pwnguin: i dont see the cost in adding them all at once
[06:46] <pwnguin> i like that one healthcare CTO's complaint about MIDI
[06:46] <RAOF> nemik: System->Administration->Software sources, and you can turn on the all the repositories.  But I thought gutsy shipped with universe & multiverse enabled.
[06:46] <pwnguin> really
[06:46] <pwnguin> i thought the whole point of multi/universe is that they werent "supported"
[06:46] <DanaG> What where MIDI?
[06:46] <DanaG> "That one healthcare CTO"
[06:46] <pwnguin> DanaG: take a random midi from the internet
[06:47] <pwnguin> double click on default ubunut
[06:47] <pwnguin> depending on the version of ubuntu you have installed
[06:47] <pwnguin> it wont play, and might not even try opening totem
[06:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, on my cardbus audigy, I have to find the soundfont and use asfxload, and then play with pmidi.
[06:48] <pwnguin> gstreamer has a midi plugin
[06:48] <pwnguin> a couple actually
[06:48] <pwnguin> but still
[06:48] <pwnguin> its a hilarious thing to point out
[06:48] <pwnguin> not a word about mp3 playback, but midis? oh no!
[06:49] <pwnguin> honestly, we might be doing users a favor by not having ff's gstreamer plugin support midi
[06:50] <pwnguin> DanaG: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/1859220
[06:56] <Ayabara> hi. I'm trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy, but ' gksudo "update-manager -d" ' doesn't show me any updates. any ideas?
[07:02] <mattyv> Ayabara: assuming you changed your sources.list?
[07:05] <Ayabara> mattyv, erm. I really should've done that :-)
[07:06] <mattyv> hehe
[07:06] <Ayabara> mattyv, same as always? replace feisty with gutsy?
[07:08] <mattyv> yep, so long as you've backed up anything important and realise that gutsy breaks
[07:08] <mattyv> actually, since multiverse is broken right now, you might want to wait
[07:09] <Ayabara> ah. ok.
[07:13] <ameyer> how the heck do you "break" multiverse?
[07:13] <Ayabara> mattyv, actually it seems I shouldn't edit the file manually before doing the gksudo step.
[07:14] <Ayabara> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=501893&page=3
[07:15] <marginoferror> Is there a "correct" way to use the FUSE read/write driver in Gutsy?
[07:15] <marginoferror> i.e., something that avoids having to manually edit /etc/fstab?
[07:15] <mattyv> thanks for the info Ayabara, I did a fresh install so didn't read the upgrade procedure :)
[07:16] <Ayabara> mattyv, np :-)
[07:20] <stdin> marginoferror: fuse what? ntfs-3g?
[07:20] <Ayabara> the output I get from ' gksudo "update-manager -d" ' is:
[07:20] <Ayabara> warning: could not initiate dbus
[07:20] <Ayabara> current dist not found in meta-release file
[07:21] <Ayabara> anyone got an idea on how to fix this?
[07:21] <marginoferror> stdin: I think that's another name for the same driver, yes
[07:21] <marginoferror> stdin: The userspace driver
[07:21] <marginoferror> In #ubuntu I was just told about ntfs-config
[07:22] <marginoferror> Which I hadn't heard of
[07:22] <stdin> marginoferror: fuse isn't ntfs-3g, ntfs-3g uses fuse
[07:22] <stdin> !fuse
[07:22] <marginoferror> Yes, I know what fuse is
[07:22] <marginoferror> I just meant, the ntfs driver that uses fuse
[07:22] <stdin> marginoferror: anyway :p you want to mount without editinf fstab?
[07:22] <marginoferror> Oh, oh
[07:22] <marginoferror> I completely forgot to type "ntfs" in my original question
[07:23] <marginoferror> Sorry
[07:23] <stdin> that why I asked :p
[07:23] <marginoferror> I didn't realize.  Anyway, I actually already edited fstab
[07:23] <marginoferror> It's working fine
[07:23] <marginoferror> I'm just wondering if there's a "proper" way to do it in the GUI
[07:23] <marginoferror> For when other people ask
[07:24] <stdin> I know there is a GUI for editing fstab in kubuntu, so there should be one in ubuntu
[07:24] <marginoferror> Hm
[07:25] <stdin> I think it was something like System -> Administration -> Disks
[07:25] <stdin> but that may have changed
[07:26] <pawalls> Are init scripts in gutsy just executed in arbitrary order now? I added something to run at S05 in rc2.d and many other things are being executed before it.
[07:26] <pawalls> (including getty)
[07:31] <tehk> Anyone else have to use a corner to unhide your panel when using compiz?
[07:38] <nemik> does anyone have the problem of a laptop going into suspend when it is unplugged? this is crazy annoying
[07:44] <marginoferror> This is really bizarre, but sometimes GTK applications like gaim and the gnome version of xchat just completely stop taking keyboard input for me
[07:44] <Ayabara> mattyv, what did you mean with multiverse being broken?
[07:44] <marginoferror> Or, I should say, rather than no longer taking keyboard input
[07:44] <mattyv> tehk: yep, me
[07:44] <marginoferror> Typing in text boxes doesn't work, specifically
[07:44] <marginoferror> Anyone else see this?
[07:45] <tehk> mattyv, any idea why or how to fix it?
[07:45] <mattyv> Ayabara: many people (all?) getting a failed hash on the package list
[07:45] <ranjan> is multiverse broken? can't get kubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:45] <stdin> ranjan: yep
[07:45] <mattyv> tehk: not yet, can't say I've looked for a bug on this though
[07:45] <ranjan> stdin: ty
[07:46] <ranjan> stdin: so how long till its up again
[07:46] <stdin> ranjan: shouldn't be too long, can't give an exact figure though
[07:47] <ranjan> stdin: ty
[07:47] <Ayabara> it seems that "update-manager -d" gives me the option to upgrade to gutsy only if I don't run it as root...
[07:50] <DanaG> !gksudo
[07:51] <stdin> DanaG: bot (ubotwo) seems to be broke in here, ubot3 (in other channels) seem to be working /msg it
[07:51] <DanaG> I was meaning to show it to Ayabara, though.
[07:52] <stdin> copy & paste :p
[07:52] <DanaG> gksudo sets environment variables and such; perhaps regular sudo is just breaking dbus.
[07:52] <Ayabara> DanaG: thanks. it's ' gksudo "update-manager -d" ', that doesn't work
[07:52] <Ayabara> it also seems to break dbus
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[07:56] (DanaG/#ubuntu+1) Well, then I don't have any other ideas.
[08:01] <Ayabara> DanaG, thanks anyway
[08:01] <DanaG> It' just one thing I often notice: people will tell other people to use sudo for GUI apps, which can break things.
[08:02] <DanaG> I also wonder why so many people give instructions with apt-get instead of aptitude.
[08:04] <Ayabara> DanaG, It seems I can run update-manager as user and give the password after I choose to upgrade to gutsy. will test it when multiverse unbreaks
[08:04] <DanaG> I'm already on Gutsy, and I think I have disabled multiverse.  I don't remember what was the last multiverse package I used.
[08:05] <DanaG> I remember some multiverse packages that seemed to be debian-specific things that didn't carry well to ubuntu.
[08:05] <DanaG> For example, all the bootsplash and gfxboot packages.
[08:06] <DanaG> Oh wait, I do have it enabled.
[08:17] <Ayabara> I don't even know which packages can be found in multiverse :-)
[08:18] <Ayabara> btw, is there website where I can see when multiverse gets fixed?
[08:18] <kousotu> I wonde who did th zd1211rw driver
[08:18] <kousotu> it works PERFECTLY
[08:18] <GuyFromHell> quick question, i'm not used to this "versioned" os; if i have tribe3 can i just run a dist-upgrade to get to tribe4 or is there going to be some major difference
[08:19] <kousotu> just upgrade I think
[08:19] <kousotu> I fresh intalled though
[08:19] <kousotu> anyone know why thewindow manaer was disabled?
[08:20] <kousotu> workspace manager*
[08:20] <kousotu> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch
[08:20] <kousotu> what's wrong with it?
[08:20] <stdin> well "Hash Sum mismatch" is what's wrong
[08:21] <kousotu> well, yea.. but why?
[08:22] <stdin> because the hash of that file is not what it's supposed to be
[08:23] <kousotu> ubotu is back lol
[08:23] <kousotu> what is the medi website?
[08:23] <kousotu> for the DVD brouteforcer
[08:23] <kousotu> brteforcer*
[08:23] <kousotu> ..
[08:24] <stdin> erm, it's not a bruteforcer, if it was it would take days to decode a DVD
[08:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is back lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:24] <kousotu> lmao
[08:24] <Ayabara> hehe
[08:24] <kousotu> lmao
[08:24] <kousotu> ubotu shut up
[08:24] <kousotu> lol
[08:25] <stdin> kousotu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages < for libdvdcss
[08:25] <kousotu> stdin: well, you know what I mean then
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:27] <kousotu> lmao
[08:27] <kousotu> it's stupic
[08:27] <kousotu> stupid*
[08:28] <stdin> it's not stupid or smart, it's a bot, a script
[08:29] <kousotu> lol
[08:30] <kousotu> stdin: all computers are dumb
[08:30] <kousotu> stdin: my logic is this: They on;y do what you tell them to
[08:30] <kousotu> only*
[08:30] <stdin> that's not your logic, it's a fact
[08:31] <kousotu> what's with the workspace mangers?
[08:31] <stdin> that can only do what you tell them
[08:31] <kousotu> thy're not in T4 :(
[08:31] <kousotu> just the default 2..
[08:36] <kousotu> but my sound works, I'm happy lol
[08:37] <kousotu> The volume uses the ntfs-3g file system which is not supported by your system.
[08:37] <kousotu> apt-get ntfs-3g right?
[08:38] <stdin> yep
[08:38] <kousotu> thx
[08:38] <kousotu> I wanted to make sue I had it right
[08:38] <kousotu> lol
[08:38] <kousotu> sure*
[08:38] <stdin> apt-get install ntfs-3g actually
[08:38] <kousotu> forgot install lol
[08:39] <kousotu> do you know tribe 4 got rid of adding workspaces?
[08:39] <stdin> that in gnome?
[08:40] <kousotu> yea
[08:41] <stdin> then I wouldn't care :p
[08:41] <kousotu> great.. I need mp3 drivers again..
[08:41] <Ayabara> is multiverse ok again?
[08:41] <stdin> mp3 driver < makes no sense
[08:42] <stdin> mp3 codec, and no multiverse isn't working
[08:42] <kousotu> yea, that's whatI meant
[08:42] <kousotu> lol
[08:43] <kousotu> erg...
[08:43] <kousotu> todem crashed again...
[08:53] <Ayabara> stdin, is there a place I can see when multiverse is fixed, so I don' t have to poll this channel to find out?
[08:54] <stdin> apt-get update ?
[08:54] <kousotu> wait, the multiverse is the updater?
[08:56] <kousotu> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:56] <kousotu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:56] <kousotu> is that cause I'm in root?
[08:56] <stdin> yeah, you need sudo
[08:56] <kousotu> root@Kousotu1:~#
[08:56] <Ayabara> stdin, I'm gonna upgrade to gutsy, but I was advised to wait until multiverse is ok.
[08:57] <Ayabara> so I can't do apt-get update to check
[08:57] <stdin> kousotu: and make sure you don't have adept/synatpic open...
[08:57] <stdin> Ayabara: you can't really check then
[08:57] <kousotu> I had synatip open lol
[08:58] <DanaG> !aptitude
[08:58] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[08:58] <Ayabara> stdin, ok. last Q. if I download the tribe4 cd, can I upgrade my install with it, or do I have to do a clean install?
[08:58] <stdin> kousotu:  are you sure you should be running gutsy ?
[08:58] <kousotu> lol
[08:58] <kousotu> my sound works in gutsy
[08:58] <stdin> Ayabara: you can upgrade with the alternate cd only
[08:58] <kousotu> I cn deal with debuggin issues
[08:58] <Ayabara> stdin, thanks
[08:58] <stdin> kousotu: that's not a good reason to run a development version
[08:59] <kousotu> I'm running the alpha T4
[08:59] <Infecto>  can some one tell me whats happend with 7.10 and ooffice and acroreader?
[08:59] <kousotu> I never have a "good" reason to do anything
[08:59] <kousotu> my reasons are my own
[09:00] <stdin> Infecto: acrobat reader can't be redistributed, you'll have to go and download from adobe
[09:00] <Infecto> ;] 
[09:00] <Infecto> stdin: minibuntu package to?
[09:00] <kousotu> stdin: also, gutsy runs smother than Windows in some areas
[09:01] <stdin> Infecto: then that's illegal
[09:01] <stdin> Infecto: heh? minibuntu?
[09:02] <Infecto> deb http://de.packages.medibuntu.org/ feisty free non-free
[09:03] <stdin> Infecto: mEdibuntu, yes. and again, that's not legal to distribute the binary
[09:04] <Infecto> stdin: even if i was first time on adobe site and download it accpeting licence to?
[09:05] <stdin> Infecto: downloading from adobe is legal, downloading it from another site is not
[09:07] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[09:07] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[09:08] <DanaG> Oh, and thus Automatix may be illegal, also -- it redistributes acroread.
[09:08] <stdin> automatix is evil too :[p
[09:08] <DanaG> And what about ubuntu-commercial?  Or mepis?  I don't know whether it applies to them.
[09:08] <Hobbsee> DanaG: may?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> DanaG: ubuntu commercial will only put it in with agreemtns from the vendors
[09:09] <DanaG> s/illegal/breaking the law/
[09:09] <Hobbsee> no idea about mepis - but they do distribute w32codecs, so...
[09:09] <kousotu> hey Hobbsee
[09:09] <DanaG> Aah, so -commercial has an agreement.  That
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hiya
[09:09] <DanaG> That
[09:09] <kousotu> ew.. I did that bad
[09:09] <kousotu> lol
[09:09] <Hobbsee> DanaG: well, i expect so
[09:09] <DanaG> Damn apostrophe / enter overlap!
[09:09] <stdin> well the w32codecs ARE legal IF you have a windows license somewhere
[09:09] <DanaG> I meant to say, "That's a good answer".
[09:09] <kousotu> Hobbsee: do you knowwhy worskspace manager was disabled in T4a?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> kousotu: compiz thing, i expect
[09:10] <kousotu> damn.
[09:10] <kousotu> I wanted 6 lol
[09:10] <Hobbsee> you can set that in the compiz thingo
[09:10] <RAOF> stdin: Are they?  The Windows license doesn't restrict their use to windows-only?
[09:10] <kousotu> ?
[09:11] <kousotu> Hobbsee: how do you do that?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> kousotu: no idea.  i dont run compiz
[09:11] <stdin> RAOF: the codecs fine if you have a licence for them, ie the windows licence
[09:11] <kousotu> Hobbsee: you know whomade/redid the zd1211rw driver?
[09:12] <stdin> RAOF: it doesn't specify you have to use windows, just have a licence
[09:12] <RAOF> stdin: I thought the license *specifically* stated that those codecs were licenced for use on windows.
[09:12] <DanaG> Here's a good way to mock things: anagram-ify them.  http://wordsmith.org/anagram/        (don't post actual anagrams here -- that goes further off-topic).
[09:12] <RAOF> Cool, I'll try to remember that.
[09:12] <Hobbsee> kousotu: no, i dont know everything.
[09:13] <Trewas> stdin: most of the w32 codecs are from someone else than microsoft so I don't think existense of a windows license figures to their legality
[09:13] <kousotu> Hobbsee: just thouht I'd ask..
[09:13] <stdin> RAOF: use on "windows" only would be too ambiguous to put in a licence
[09:13] <kousotu> Hobbsee: he new driver is flawless, I love it :)
[09:13] <DanaG> I think the original company, Zydas, was the one to release drivers and specs.
[09:13] <kousotu> now it only my atheros would work....
[09:14] <RAOF> stdin: Uuuum, no it wouldn't.  You'd get a licence with each version of Windows you purchased.
[09:14] <RAOF> stdin: And it would say "blah, blah, blah, Windows XP foo bar baz"
[09:15] <kousotu> DanaG: the released it, yes, but they don't always have it right
[09:15] <RAOF> Anyway, there's nothing w32codecs does that I want, which is nice :)
[09:15] <kousotu> DanaG: as was the case in Tribe 3
[09:15] <stdin> RAOF: windows could mean a few things, the NT kernel for instance is very diffrent from the 98 kernel
[09:16] <kousotu> stdin: technally, it was the 95 kernal
[09:16] <RAOF> stdin: For distribution with a microsoft windows operating system?
[09:16] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers   -- look for zydas.
[09:16] <RAOF> Anyway, I'm off!
[09:16] <kousotu> DanaG: I know they made one
[09:16] <stdin> RAOF: that would be OK i guess, but that still doesn't say it can only be used on the MS windows OS
[09:17] <kousotu> DanaG: that doesn't mean it's what Ubuntu uses
[09:17] <kousotu> wb Hobbsee
[09:17] <DanaG> Last link about it: http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/
[09:18] <kousotu> ...
[09:18] <kousotu> DanaG: I get the pcture
[09:18] <kousotu> DanaG: in FACT I tried to compilesaid diver undr Redhat 9
[09:18] <kousotu> DanaG: it didn't compile, nor work
[09:19] <stdin> well, if it didn't compile it wouldn't work :p
[09:19] <kousotu> stdin: I had  deb for it too
[09:19] <DanaG> I use ipw3945, so I haven't much used zydas except to test it for a friend (with a different friend's card).
[09:19] <stdin> kousotu: for redhat??
[09:19] <kousotu> stdin: whichevr the RH9 ext is for it
[09:20] <stdin> kousotu: rpm...
[09:20] <kousotu> yea
[09:20] <kousotu> that thing
[09:20] <kousotu> I had rh9 fir like.. a day
[09:20] <stdin> kousotu: RedhatPackageManagement = RPM
[09:20] <DanaG> Vroom.
[09:21] <kousotu> stdin: ok, fine.. I had a rpm, it didn't wok
[09:21] <kousotu> happy?
[09:21] <stdin> yes, because I hate RPM :p
[09:22] <kousotu> lol
[09:22] <kousotu> well, so do I
[09:22] <kousotu> so we're even
[09:25] <kousotu> wheer can I get a good flash plugin?
[09:26] <stdin> by using the flash plugin?
[09:26] <kousotu> the one in ubuntu doesn't work well on youtube
[09:27] <stdin> yes it does
[09:27] <stdin> maybe not the dapper one (v7)
[09:29] <kousotu> stdin: I was just watching vids, it' lousy for me
[09:30] <stdin> kousotu: are you using v9?
[09:31] <kousotu> I''m usingwhatever was in the T4 alpha
[09:31] <stdin> kousotu: the flash "from ubuntu" isn't from ubuntu, it's the official version from adobe
[09:32] <Hobbsee> stdin: there's gnash too, remember...
[09:33] <stdin> Hobbsee: yeah, the open-source version, but it only works with flash v7 (IIRC)
[09:35] <nemik> does anyone have the problem of a laptop going into suspend when it is unplugged? this is crazy annoying
[09:36] <stdin> nemik: nope
[09:38] <kousotu> [02:33]  <stdin> Hobbsee: yeah, the open-source version, but it only works with flash v7 (IIRC)  < that would explain what the errors are there
[09:40] <stdin> kousotu: are you using the 64bit version of ubuntu?
[09:40] <kousotu> no
[09:40] <kousotu> 32
[09:40] <kousotu> speaking of which...
[09:40] <stdin> ah, was just wondering because gnash used to be the only flash on 64bit
[09:49] <kousotu> I might be using gnash idk
[09:53] <kousotu> wat are the MP3 drivers I need?
[09:54] <stdin> in multiverse
[09:55] <stdin> unless gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly can do it, then it's in universe
[09:56] <kousotu> it didn't do it
[09:56] <kousotu> unless it was just a probelm with todem
[09:57] <stdin> I don't know what package dose it for gstreamer, my apps use xine
[09:58] <kousotu> I put Todem in xine, I think
[09:59] <stdin> the xine package is libxine1-ffmpeg
[09:59] <kousotu> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[09:59] <kousotu> whichdo I download?
[10:01] <stdin> there should be an ubuntu package called "flashplugin-nonfree"
[10:01] <kousotu> ah..
[10:01] <stdin> in synaptic/adept/apt-get/aptitide
[10:01] <kousotu> k
[10:05] <kousotu> I'll apt-get t when my other updates are done
[10:10] <kousotu> stdin: I got my mp3s working on rythmbox
[10:11] <stdin> Amarok is the daddy of audio players
[10:11] <kousotu> lol
[10:11] <kousotu> man linuxis crazy..
[10:12] <kousotu> my volume butto don't workagainst the music
[10:12] <kousotu> Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:12] <kousotu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:12] <kousotu> is only available from another source
[10:13] <kousotu> aparentlynot...
[10:48] <martoss> hi folks,
[10:49] <martoss> can anybody provide a hint where to look if apt-get update quits with:
[10:49] <martoss> E: Problem parsing dependency Depends
[10:49] <martoss> E: Error occurred while processing msms (NewVersion1)
[10:49] <martoss> E: Problem with MergeList ...
[10:50] <martoss> msms is a checkinstall created package in an debarchiver repository. Nothing official from ubuntu...
[10:51] <stdin> seems the package is bad
[10:52] <martoss> hmm, it installs correctly via dpkg, so where shall I start to look for?
[10:52] <martoss> is it because of the category or so?
[10:53] <stdin> the problem seems to be the dependency list "E: Problem parsing dependency Depends" it may be looking for a "Depends" package (?)
[10:56] <martoss> "Depends: " is empty on all of the trouble making packages...
[10:57] <martoss> the only thing they have in common is that they are in section "Science" and not "science", can this be an issue?
[10:57] <stdin> possibly
[10:58] <ameyer> heh, apt needs depends
[10:58] <stdin> checkinstall doesn't make great packages, I'd suggest using dh_make to debianize the packages
[10:58] <ameyer> I'm sure there's a joke theree somewhere
[11:00] <martoss> ist there a package editor (basically a frontent to ar) ;-). E.g. to edit depends sections and so on? But you're probably right with dh_make.
[11:01] <martoss> how complicated is it to debianize non os packages with dh_make?
[11:01] <stdin> depends on the complexity of the package
[11:02] <jussi01> !checkinstall
[11:02] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[11:02] <stdin> martoss: there isn't a GUI, but I just do "ar x file.deb ; tar xzf control.tar.gz" and edit it
[11:03] <martoss> ok, writing an unpack and repack script shouldn't be that hard. I don't wanna mess up with the old packages, but for new ones I try dh_make then :-)
[11:04] <stdin> martoss: a warning tho, the order you put the items back in that ar archive matters
[11:04] <martoss> ok ;-)
[11:06] <stdin> martoss: "debian-binary" then "control.tar.gz" then "data.tar.gz"
[11:06] <stdin> martoss: you can use Ark to do that :)
[11:07] <martoss> ok, don't like ark that much, but if it is suitable for that, i reconsider my opinion...
[11:08] <stdin> I use it for the packing, just to make sure it goes in the right order
[11:17] <martoss> stupid... it seems as if the empty "Depends: " section was the mess...
[11:20] <stdin> martoss: the package "maint-guide" has a packaging guide (in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/) to make debian packages from source
[11:20] <martoss> ok, i isolated 3 packages that make trouble and try to repack them with dh_make
[11:22] <stdin> dh_make will make a debian directory, you'll need to edit the files in there
[11:23] <_StefanS_> Hi there, any hopes of getting openoffice.org to work on gutsy ?
[11:23] <stdin> still broken here
[11:24] <_StefanS_> yea.. acroread still has the similar issue as well.
[11:24] <_StefanS_> stdin: do you know if the ubuntu tribe 4 cd's have that issue as well?
[11:25] <stdin> the tribe4 cd just has more updated packages, same as apt-get dist-upgrade will give you
[11:25] <_StefanS_> uhm well installing openoffice.org-gnome solves it
[11:26] <_StefanS_> acorrding to Riddell's notes
[11:27] <stdin> they thought that oo.o-gtk would too, but it didn't :p try it if you want
[11:27] <tulga> I need install initscripts 2.86.ds1-38.1 on gutsy. where is deb?
[11:28] <_StefanS_> tulga: not there yet ;)  - I have the same issue
[11:28] <tulga> hehe ok
[11:28] <_StefanS_> tulga: you're probably installing nfs-common, right?
[11:28] <tulga> when will be support?
[11:28] <tulga> yes
[11:28] <_StefanS_> wait a few hours, and I think it will be in the repos
[11:28] <tulga> ok
[11:28] <_StefanS_> they usually are
[11:29] <_StefanS_> stdin:  openoffice.org-gtk works for me
[11:30] <stdin> doesn't work here, just hangs eating 100% CPU
[11:31] <_StefanS_> tulga: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=initscripts, should give you heads up  on build progress
[11:31] <tulga> is your chess working?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> tulga: chess?
[11:31] <_StefanS_> tulga: I run kde..
[11:31] <tulga> ohh ok
[11:32] <tulga> kde4 is looking very good
[11:33] <Ayabara> almost at the end of the upgrade from feisty to gutsy, I got a message that update-manager failed to upgrade, and that my system "could be in an unusable state"
[11:33] <_StefanS_> tulga: yep think so too, but ofcourse long from being useable :)
[11:33] <fulat2k> tulga: is that the version in tribe4?
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: solve it in the command line
[11:33] <tulga> tribe3
[11:33] <Ayabara> I run "dpgk-reconfigure -a" now (cause it told me to), but I'm not sure what to do afterwards
[11:33] <stdin> fulat2k: you have to install it, from universe
[11:33] <tulga> but all packages updaetd
[11:33] <tulga> I think now tribe4
[11:34] <fulat2k> tulga: ic.  installed the beta1 on my feisty... looks nice, but very unfinished... but it's expected :)
[11:34] <tulga> yes
[11:34] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, any hints on where I should start?
[11:37] <Ayabara> I'm unsure about most of what I'm prompted about in dpkg-reconfigure -a... I select something when I understand it, and leave it at default otherwise.
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: yep
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: sudo apt-get update first.
[11:39] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:40] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, ok. still the checksum error in multiverse I see..
[11:40] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: sudo dpkg --configure -a if you have packages that have not fully configured
[11:40] <Ayabara> it seems to be console-setup that is the problem package
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: you can usually continue using apt-get -f install
[11:43] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, when console-setup is configuring, it tries to execute a binary on a network drive I have mounted at work (<something>/ppc_gcc-4.1.1_glibc-2.4_i686-linux--nojava1/bin/locale: cannot execute binary file).
[11:43] <Ayabara> that's where it fails
[11:44] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: just umount them prior to upgrade
[11:44] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, I tried to do that now, and I get: YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound
[11:45] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: something is surely still mounted / active somewhere it seems
[11:46] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, ahh. it worked despite the message. unmounted and setup the broken packages fine
[11:47] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, now update and dist-upgrade goes through only telling me that digikam is held back. does that mean I'm ready for a reboot?
[11:49] <Ayabara> since I get no errors I can trust that all my packages are (properly) configured?
[11:59] <martoss> are dh_make related questions OT here?
[11:59] <stdin> probably, yes
[12:00] <martoss> kk
[12:00] <stdin> #ubuntu-devel or -offtopic are better places
[12:01] <Amaranth> martoss: #ubuntu-motu
[12:25] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, thanks for the help. gutsy here I am :-)
[12:25] <Ayabara> the fonts in gnome are freakishly huge ...
[12:32] <Ayabara> what's you fonts dpi setting?
[12:33] <Ayabara> your
[12:33] <_StefanS_> mine?
[12:33] <Ayabara> you as in: hope someone think I mean them and replies ;-)
[12:34] <Ayabara> my default fonts were very huge. I had 117 dpi and sizes 11 and 10.
[12:35] <_StefanS_> mine is 120dpi on 1600x1200 lcd
[12:35] <Ayabara> ah. dpi autodetection broken? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/115950
[12:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115950 in fontconfig "big fonts after Gutsy upgrade" [Undecided,New] 
[12:36] <_StefanS_> Ayabara: I just forced 120, and it works
[12:36] <morphir> where is the source code for the live cd installer located?
[12:36] <Ayabara> _StefanS_, ok
[12:37] <Hobbsee> morphir: it's called ubiquity
[12:39] <morphir> Hobbsee: nice, thanks
[12:40] <Hobbsee> there is a qt version
[12:42] <morphir> Hobbsee: yeh, the one kubuntu uses?
[12:43] <morphir> it's not as nice as the one in ubuntu though
[12:43] <morphir> a konsole window pops up in verbose mode
[12:44] <morphir> which is not elegant
[12:45] <Hobbsee> morphir: feel free to help out with it - Riddell in #kubuntu-devel is who you want
[12:45] <Hobbsee> no idea if he's up yet
[12:46] <stdin> he is, just about :p
[12:53] <Ayabara> I can't mount nfs drives in gutsy. I try to install nfs-common and get the following error:
[12:53] <Ayabara> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:53] <Ayabara>   nfs-common: Depends: initscripts (>= 2.86.ds1-38.1) but 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu25 is to be installed
[12:56] <Xemanth> Ayabara: have you tried apt-get -f install ?
[12:56] <Xemanth> hmm version differency
[12:56] <stdin> !info initscripts
[12:56] <ubotwo> initscripts - Scripts for initializing and shutting down the system - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information
[12:56] <ubotu> initscripts: Scripts for initializing and shutting down the system. In component main, is required. Version 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu25 (gutsy), package size 56 kB, installed size 372 kB
[12:58] <Ayabara> it says initscripts is the latest version
[12:59] <stdin> that's because it is
[01:00] <Ayabara> stdin, I figured that was why :-)
[01:00] <ccooke> Are there any test packages of xorg 7.3?
[01:01] <Ayabara> I get the "wrong fs type" when I try to mount an nfs-drive. Do I need the nfs-common package to mount, or could it be other reason. The package sounds kinda essential...
[01:05] <Ayabara> anyone manage to install nfs-common?
[01:24] <Ayabara> nfs seems to have broken. can anyone confirm this?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> yeha, it's known
[01:28] <Ayabara> ack
[01:37] <SeveredHead> 2 questions: Is Xorg 7.3 significantly better than 7.2 and is it going to make it into gutsy?
[01:37] <hylje> 7.3 brings us on-the-fly configuration
[01:39] <SeveredHead> So...no more need for xorg.conf or what?
[01:42] <hylje> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xorg7.3Integration
[01:42] <hylje> see also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[01:50] <SeveredHead> Ah, okay.
[01:50] <SeveredHead> Also, is it a known bug that sessions don't get locked?
[01:50] <SeveredHead> When I close my screen, my GNOME session doesn't lock.
[01:51] <hylje> it doesnt by default when you just leave it
[01:52] <SeveredHead> What about when I close my laptop lid?
[01:52] <hylje> by default it just waits there
[01:53] <SeveredHead> Weird...
[01:53] <SeveredHead> Where's the option to change that?
[01:53] <SeveredHead> Wasn't the default in Feisty to lock the screen after X timeout?
[01:53] <SeveredHead> Maybe I turned it off somewhere stupidly..
[01:53] <hylje> i'm still on feisty, though
[01:53] <SeveredHead> Oh, I found it.
[01:53] <SeveredHead> It's in screensaver properties.
[01:53] <SeveredHead> "Lock screen when screensaver is active"
[01:54] <Ayabara> is there a site with a nice overview over new features and significant improvements in gutsy?
[01:54] <hylje> the technical side is explained in the blueprints
[01:55] <hylje> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[01:56] <Ayabara> thanks
[02:14] <Ayabara> I keed getting this message in my shell YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound
[02:15] <Ayabara> s/keed/keep
[02:19] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hmm, is it a known bug that most recent updates seem to break kicker in kde?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> no
[02:20] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Righteo, I shall potter off to bugzilla then.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> |Lunar_Lamp|: "break"?
[02:22] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hobbsee, the kicker is just not there - when I try to start it, it says it's already running. Even killing it and restarting it, it's still just not there.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> |Lunar_Lamp|: it's not hidden off to the side?
[02:22] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hobbsee, nope, checked for that.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> |Lunar_Lamp|: i cant reproduce that here, havent seen it reported
[02:23] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hmm
[02:23] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Must be something odd about my setup then,
[02:47] <ccooke> Hmm
[02:48] <ccooke> a lot of things in Gnome seem to depend on /usr/bin/esd
[02:48] <ccooke> which doesn't exist in Gutsy
[02:57] <Skiessi> does ubuntu support this? http://www.trust.com/products/default.aspx?cat=_Current&grp=TABLETS&type=12X9-INCH&item=14070
[02:59] <albert23> ccooke: esd is in esound
[03:00] <ccooke> albert23: yes, but is now not part of the standard install
[03:00] <ccooke> esound, that is
[03:00] <albert23> I see. Just installed it myself
[03:00] <ccooke> Ubuntu has been working towards removing esound for some time, I understand
[03:01] <ccooke> they've now *done* that, but there appear to be several things still assuming it's there
[03:01] <mrsno> Skiessi someone else asked before on the forums, try searching that model number on ubuntuforums.org
[03:01] <Skiessi> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-140402.html this one?
[03:01] <albert23> looks like totem needs it
[03:02] <ccooke> Interesting. we still depend on esound-common
[03:02] <Skiessi> does anyone here speak french? http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=134935 what is that one guy saying about it?
[03:03] <mrsno> looks like it Skiessi
[03:03] <Skiessi> "reconnu qui fonctionne  merveille" :o anyone?
[03:04] <mrsno> Skiessi try #ubuntu-fr :)
[03:04] <Skiessi> ok :D
[03:04] <mrsno> off the top of my head it sounds like "recognized functions wonderfully" but my french sucks :)
[03:09] <Skiessi> okay he says it works ^^
[03:47] <Stormx2> When doing an upgrade, it'd be cool to have something on the left like [12/745]  or whatever, to display how many packages are left, etc.
[03:51] <gutsytest> hello you all
[03:51] <gutsytest> i am testing tribe 4 , what happened to emerald themes, will they come back?
[03:51] <gutsytest> and how would you run them?
[03:52] <gutsytest> or should i go to desktop effects channel?
[03:53] <gutsytest> who is running gutsy right now?
[03:53] <gutsytest> :)
[03:54] <gutsytest> desktop effects seem to work, but its really a hassle to find them, cube effect has become flat, maybe wrong setting some how...
[03:54] <virtuelv> do changelogs between tribe-3 and -4 exist?
[03:54] <virtuelv> In particular, I'd like to find out whether my minipci RT2500-based network card should work now
[03:56] <gutsytest> i dont have a cube, its flat , ?
[03:56] <gutsytest> hmm
[04:00] <gutsytest> i hope so ...for you
[04:00] <gutsytest> :)
[04:00] <gutsytest> ah i see just two desktops...
[04:00] <gutsytest> :)
[04:13] <gutsytest> :)ok got the cube back
[04:33] <taxman> there doesn't seem to be a desktop-i386 jigdo available, is that on purpose?
[04:36] <taxman> every other one has a jigdo file
[04:36] <taxman> well except desktop amd64
[04:38] <gutsytest> hmm, no cube caps images
[04:57] <Stormx2> Yay
[04:57] <Stormx2> upgrade done!
[05:13] <Stormx2> Hmm.
[05:14] <Stormx2> Where is "Fonts" under gutsy?
[05:31] <Zapek> hi. I have an nvidia card but restricted-manager doesn't show it, even though I use it. what could it be?
[05:35] <pawalls> Is there any way to force something to occur serially w/ the new upstart stuff? I have an init script that takes a little while but *must* be executed before tty's are spawned.. any way to accomplish this?
[05:36] <pawalls> It seems like priority (eg. S10) is completely ignored in /etc/rcX.d
[05:40] <DanaG> PCMCIA: socket f79ac440: *** DANGER *** unable to remove socket power
[06:48] <mgedmin_> I'm trying to compile alsa from CVS to fix sound on my Lenovo T61, but I hit a wall: 2.6.22-9-generic doesn't have linux/modversions.h, nor linux/config.h
[06:48] <mgedmin_> err, I mean, linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic doesn't have those two include files
[06:52] <DanglyBits> do I need to download the various "Tribes" to keep ubuntu uptodate or can i just use the uptodate manager?
[06:53] <stdin> DanglyBits: just update normally
[06:53] <DanglyBits> thanks
[06:54] <mgedmin_> actually, all the .h files in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic/include/config/ have size 0
[06:55] <pawalls> I don't think the implications of starting tty1 in parallel w/ rc2.d were really considered in the latest version of upstart.
[06:55] <Trewas> gnome-power-manager has taken a new project, driving people either mad or to some other desktop environment... 1) sometimes suspends when powercord removed, 2) constantly changes the backlight brightness, 3) occasionally decides that backlight cannot be turned off, no matter how long idle, 4) reporting completely bogus battery remaining times...
[06:56] <Trewas> the first one wins the most annoying contest, too bad that problem disappears if g-p-m is run with --verbose --no-daemon, so it's difficult to debug wtf it is doing
[06:57] <albert23> mgedmin: do you really need cvs? 1.0.14 compiled without problems on tribe 4
[07:07] <mgedmin_> albert23: I need CVS because the three patches that make sound work on a T61 were committed just after the 1.0.14 release
[07:08] <mgedmin_> albert23: what's your kernel version?
[07:08] <albert23> mgedmin: kernel is 2.6.22-9
[07:09] <mgedmin_> I'm really surprised to find that /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/config is full of empty .h files
[07:09] <albert23> I need to patch 1.0.14 with realtek patch to make it work. Can you get the patches to 1.0.14 for your system
[07:09] <mgedmin_> that doesn't seem right to me
[07:09] <mgedmin_> could you paste the output of ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/config/modversions.h on your system?
[07:10] <albert23> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-08-03 03:34 /lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/build/include/config/modversions.h
[07:12] <mgedmin_> so it's not just my system
[07:12] <mgedmin_> and you said you could build alsa 1.0.14?
[07:12] <albert23> Yes, I can. But I still need to patch it to make my audio work
[07:12] <mgedmin_> I'll try that too
[07:13] <mgedmin_> the patches I need are referenced in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD1984
[07:14] <albert23> How do you compile alsa? I use hgcompile
[07:15] <mgedmin_> I'm trying to follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[07:15] <mgedmin_> basically, ./configure && make
[07:15] <mgedmin_> and make barfs because it cannot find the value of HZ
[07:16] <mgedmin_> that's with ALSA checked out from CVS
[07:16] <mgedmin_> it works with the source tarball from the alsa-source package
[07:16] <mgedmin_> interesting
[07:16] <albert23> You could try ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel. I have hda-intel also
[07:17] <mgedmin_> there's no hgcompile in my cvscheckout, and ./cvscompile failed
[07:18] <mgedmin_> maybe I should try a hg checkout instead of a CVS checkout
[07:18] <mgedmin_> there's a file called "version" that says 1.0.11
[07:20] <tehk> Well the deskbar window thing is a feature.
[07:20] <albert23> my version says 1.0.14
[07:23] <albert23> Isn't Lenova the new name for Tinkpad? I have "AD1984_THINKPAD" in 1.0.14
[07:24] <mgedmin_> yes
[07:24] <mgedmin_> whee, I botched the compilation somehow
[07:25] <Amaranth> if you're having audio problems and you just bought a brand new laptop wait for the next kernel update
[07:29] <mgedmin_> yay!
[07:29] <mgedmin_> i can has working sound!
[07:29] <albert23> :-)
[07:36] <TABASCO-07> Hi
[07:36] <TABASCO-07> I have some trouble with the restricted manager for my Broadcom Wireless Chip
[07:37] <Zapek> like the chip not showing up in the list?
[07:37] <TABASCO-07> When I click on "Enable" he asks me for a special firmware, but if I click on "browse", nothing happens
[07:38] <TABASCO-07> Zapek: No, seems like he found the chip
[07:39] <TABASCO-07> I'm via ethernet online at the moment... in feisty it worked for a while with ndiswrapper but then he stopped to work. When I read the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter I saw that Gutsy will make it possible to install drivers for the Broadcom Wireless Chips
[07:39] <TABASCO-07> I have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller
[07:41] <TABASCO-07> But in "restricted drivers" he shows me "Firmware: Firmware for Broadcom 43xx chipset family"
[07:45] <Amaranth> TABASCO-07: The firmware is not freely available
[07:45] <TABASCO-07> Amaranth: But I have a CD of the Laptop I use
[07:45] <Amaranth> TABASCO-07: You have to download it from somewhere and then tell the restricted-manager where on your HD it is
[07:46] <Amaranth> TABASCO-07: the firmware in inside the windows driver, you have to extract it
[07:46] <TABASCO-07> Amaranth: Thats the point, it does not work
[07:46] <TABASCO-07> I cannot click on "Browse"
[07:46] <Amaranth> you have to extract it
[07:46] <Amaranth> not the .dll file
[07:46] <Amaranth> you have to get the firmware out of the .dll file
[07:46] <TABASCO-07> by using ark or what?
[07:49] <TABASCO-07> Amaranth: well, I extracted the .exe file from the CD now and I have some files here..
[07:49] <Amaranth> no, there is a special tool
[07:49] <Amaranth> !info bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:49] <ubotu> bcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:49] <TABASCO-07> Okay..
[07:49] <Amaranth> (hint, that package also has a script that will download a .dll, extract the firmware, and install it)
[07:49] <Amaranth> basically it'll do all the work
[07:50] <Amaranth> But it's not legal for us to do that for you
[07:50] <TABASCO-07> mhm... it's the question in what country I am, right?
[07:50] <Amaranth> no
[07:50] <Amaranth> this is a copyright issue, applies to every country
[07:51] <TABASCO-07> But I have already bought a laptop that contains a driver CD.
[07:51] <TABASCO-07> So I payed for using the firmware, or not?
[07:52] <Amaranth> Yes
[07:52] <TABASCO-07> (the package is already installed)
[07:52] <Amaranth> but we cannot distribute it
[07:52] <Amaranth> so you have to get the firmware on your own
[07:52] <Amaranth> either from a driver cd or somewhere on the internet
[07:52] <TABASCO-07> Ah, I understand, well, thats not the problem
[07:52] <Amaranth> dpkg -L bcm43xx-fwcutter
[07:53] <TABASCO-07> But what shall I do if he doesn' open a window if I click on "browse"
[07:53] <Amaranth> you'll see a file that ends with .sh
[07:53] <Amaranth> run that file with sudo
[07:53] <Amaranth> it'll do all the work
[07:53] <TABASCO-07> great
[07:54] <TABASCO-07> 404 Not found
[07:54] <TABASCO-07> seems like it does not any longer exists
[07:56] <TABASCO-07> and in the .exe are seven .dll files
[07:56] <Amaranth> I don't know how to do it then
[07:56] <TABASCO-07> him
[07:56] <TABASCO-07> hm
[07:57] <TABASCO-07> But why is it not possible just to click on "browse" when I wants the firmware?
[07:57] <TABASCO-07> I click but nothing happens
[07:58] <TABASCO-07> wouh... I didn't knew that pidgin quits by clicking on the X
[07:59] <hylje> that isn't obvious at all :p
[08:00] <TABASCO-07> hylje: I thought it will minimize to the Gnome bar on the top instead...
[08:00] <hylje> some apps do that
[08:00] <hylje> but i wouldnt count on that
[08:00] <hylje> rather use the tray icon to call it
[08:01] <TABASCO-07> well... there is no icon up there..
[08:01] <hylje> oh well. the tray spec is broken, anyway
[08:02] <TABASCO-07> mh
[08:02] <TABASCO-07> so why is it not possible just to click on browse and choose the directory where the firmware is?
[08:03] <TABASCO-07> I do not expect from Ubuntu that it comes with the firmware itself, but it would be useful if I could just show the system where it is...
[08:07] <TABASCO-07> well, so I try to get my Feisty up again... maybe it works more stable
[08:08] <TABASCO-07> thank you so far, bye
[08:21] <unimatrix9> !desktopeffects
[08:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktopeffects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:21] <unimatrix9> !compiz
[08:21] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:54] <askand> Hi!I have problems with my aticard..when I enable the ati driver from restricted drivers I get a blackscreen after reboot..please help? I have xorg.conf files if its any use?
[09:28] <askand> I get "xgl not present" when running compiz --replace..why can that be?
[09:37] <keram> hey
[09:37] <keram> i have a duo core processor
[09:37] <anchor> hy i use "feisty fawn" my problem is: vim ignnore my .vimrc
[09:37] <keram> and i want this program to use up as much processing power as it wants
[09:37] <keram> but it seems to max out at 99%
[09:37] <TheInfinity> anchor: tjis is a gutsy channel :)
[09:37] <TheInfinity> *this
[09:37] <anchor> ups
[09:37] <anchor> sorry
[09:38] <keram> while sometimes when i'm running nautilus and i'm trying to view thousands of images in a single dir top says that it is using 116%
[09:38] <anchor> TheInfinity, im sorry
[09:38] <keram> is there some reason behind that?
[09:38] <TheInfinity> no problem ;) ... -> #ubuntu :)
[09:39] <keram> or is this a ##linux question?
[09:39] <TheInfinity> keram: this is magic ;) ... make a bug report, this should not be ;)
[09:39] <keram> what shouldnt be
[09:39] <keram> more than 100%?
[09:39] <TheInfinity> yes *g*
[09:40] <laga_> why not?
[09:40] <laga_> um
[09:40] <keram> i figured maybe it could go at 200% because its duo core?
[09:40] <laga_> actually, in a SMP box itn should say 50% if one core is used. imho
[09:40] <laga_> dunno. :)
[09:40] <keram> SMP?
[09:40] <hylje> symmetric multiprocessing
[09:41] <hylje> multi-cpu stuff
[09:41] <keram> ah
[09:41] <finalbeta> I crash Rhythmbox at demand, why doesn't apport notice this? and collect debug information?
[09:41] <keram> and sometimes when i am running this program at 99% some other programs are runing at like 2 or 5%
[09:41] <keram> so it adds up to more than 100
[09:42] <finalbeta> Go to the options, anable or disable the cross fading backend. click the Music tab, and bam, crash.
[09:42] <finalbeta> But no apport.
[09:42] <TheInfinity> finalbeta: same prob here with kde - also almost never any bug report
[09:42] <finalbeta> (I have this bug on several machines)
[09:47] <finalbeta> !debug
[09:47] <ubotu> For help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[10:26] <needcoffee> hi, i have serval problems with gutsy...i get tons of device-mapper errors on bootup with the kernel 2.6.22-9 (386), kernel 2.6.20-16 works good so far...the other problem is, that there is nothing displayed if i switch to a terminal tty1, tty2 etc., just blank black screens