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databuddyi think some of the screensavers are causing problems with my intel stuff12:37
databuddyi get full lockups and no ping even - not exactly sure why cant find reasons in the logs12:37
databuddytho it might not even be that >_<12:37
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PumpernickelCould be faulty hardware.  That kind of thing can happen if you have e.g; an overloaded PSU.12:49
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nickspoonCan someone who uses samba and gutsy check something for me?12:59
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voidmageI have a weird thing with xchat and compiz01:20
voidmagewhenever I switch channels in xchat the window goes transparent01:20
voidmagethe only fix I found was to disable fading windows, alt-tab to xchat, then reenable fading windows01:20
voidmagethis fixes it until i switch channels again01:20
voidmagei still have to disable it freshly to fix it though01:20
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pwnguinnickspoon: i have samba at home01:21
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pwnguinnickspoon: and gutsy on my laptop01:21
pwnguinnickspoon: is that similar enough?01:21
Shadow_milyou know, this channel should be #ubuntu++01:21
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nickspoonpwnguin: It's a problem with the gutsy smb.conf (I think) so if you have samba installed on gutsy then you can help :D01:22
pwnguinnickspoon: i don't have samba set up on gutsy =/01:22
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nickspoonpwnguin: Ah well :/01:22
laga_hello guys.01:23
shaynehi ... just installed xubuntu gutsy (daily snapshot from couple days ago) ...whenever i try to install/uninstall stuff from synaptic, i get this error:01:23
shaynedpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 5701:23
pwnguinnickspoon: but at least it seems the problem where nautilus can't browse smb is fixed01:23
nickspoonpwnguin: Well, set up doesn't matter, provided it's installed.01:23
shaynedpkg can't configure/install/remove ttf-opensymbol01:23
nickspoonHmm, no, this is a different one I think.01:23
voidmageany ideas about my xchat problem?01:23
laga_i'm using a gutsy chroot with pbuilder on feisty. when i want to run apt-get update, it fails with the following error message: http://www.pastebin.ca/651722 can anyone take a look?01:24
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shaynehere's a paste of the whole error: http://www.pastebin.ca/65172501:25
voidmage<voidmage> whenever I switch channels in xchat the window goes transparent01:25
voidmage<voidmage> the only fix I found was to disable fading windows, alt-tab to xchat, then reenable fading windows01:25
voidmage<voidmage> this fixes it until i switch channels again01:25
albert23nickspoon: looks like samba is installed by default. I can browse windows share from gutsy01:26
pwnguinnickspoon: its simple to install samba ;)01:26
pwnguinalbert23: samba serves smb/cifs from the computer; other stuff is used to simply browse other windows shares01:27
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nickspoonshayne: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg266900.html01:27
nickspoonBasically, I need someone to look in their /etc/samba/smb.conf and tell me how many times "valid users = %S" occurs (without quotes) and if any of those times it is not preceded by a ;.01:29
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voidmagea restart of xchat fixed it01:30
albert23nickspoon: 1 time01:31
nickspoonalbert23: With or without a ; ?01:31
albert231 time with ; and 1 time without ;01:32
nickspoonOK, thanks.01:32
ubotwoHi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!01:32
alteroowhat happend to ubotu?01:32
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nickspoonalbert23: Do you still have smb.conf up?01:33
albert23nickspoon: it's just a bit strange, both are in homes section01:33
nickspoonalbert23: Has [homes]  got a ; as well?01:34
albert23For me it has, but I am not serving anything yet01:34
nickspoonRight, thanks.01:34
nickspoonIf you'd like to be saved a lot of hassle, get rid of the valid users = %S that doesn't have a ;.01:35
shaynenickspoon: cheers for that link - worked for me :)01:39
nickspoonshayne: Glad to help :)01:39
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nemikhi guys. is anyone using a thinkpad t61 with tribe4 in here?01:40
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afiefWhenever I try to boot from the Tribe4 CD I get an error "Can't access TTY. job control turned off" is there any known workaround?01:50
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nemikhmm so it boots, resolution is correct but menus are stuck for diff resolution02:06
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nemikhttp://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3540/screenshotam5.png here is screenshot. this is a little crazy02:16
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nedwhas anyone else got extremely small text in the newest update to gutsy?02:19
nemiklol yea. i just tried adding the 1440x900 resolution to xorg and now won't boot02:19
nedwsuper annoying :(02:20
nedwat least i can still see it :)02:20
nemikheh it's still 183838747 times better than what feisty gave me on this machine02:20
nemikoh and no sound or mic either.02:20
nedwwhat do you mean it's that much better?02:21
nemikwell for one, X actually loads02:22
nemikthe joys of linacks02:22
nedwwell, linux is fun02:23
nemikoh for sure. i still love it02:23
nedwand free so you can mess around as much as you want without worrying02:23
nemikafief: that just happened to me. in your BIOS config, change your SATA thing to be compatibility instead of AHCP or whatever02:24
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nedwi was waiting for bug day and it was yesterday :(02:24
nedwoh well02:24
nemik? what is that?02:24
nedwwell, it's a day where everyone gets together to triage/smash bugs i think02:25
nedwi thought i'd have some fun but i just missed it02:25
laga_nedw: you could fix my apt-get problem ;)02:26
nedwlaga_: what's wrong?02:26
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laga_nedw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/13081302:27
nedwwell i don't know anything about bugs and fixing them02:29
nedwso, laga_, your bug could be the first i "triage"02:29
afiefnemik, I don't have the laptop around right now, could you tell me where in the bios i'll find that setting?02:30
laga_nedw: heh :)02:30
nemikafief: i don't know what kind of laptop or bios you have so just look around. on mine it is under config->sata02:30
nedwlaga_: i get the same problem with one repository02:31
laga_nedw: it happens to me when i enable the multiverse repo and use apt-get02:31
nedw"Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch" that's mine02:31
laga_i get about the same02:31
laga_i wonder if the archive admins need to do something. hum02:31
nedwso far i haven't found any duplicates02:35
nedwyou're the first one to report02:35
nedwi'll try to add my hash mismatch link too02:35
nedwlaga_: lol looks like you didn't report it, but just commented on it :)02:42
laga_nedw: yes :)02:43
DanaGOn my laptop, I can't disable AHCI mode.  However, AHCI mode works just fine for me.02:45
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neo2dot0i got a strange problem: in gutsy, my down arrow key is dead02:51
neo2dot0how can I tackle this?02:52
laga_nedw: thank you very much for verifying this :)02:53
nedwlaga_: you're certainly welcome02:53
laga_neo2dot0: is it dead everywhere or just on the console?02:53
neo2dot0laga_: everywhere.02:54
neo2dot0I will give you the xev events in a moment02:54
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nemikwoo! fixed the display! Had to turn off tv-mode or something02:58
neo2dot0the first 3 lines correspond to the down arrow, the last one I'm not sure.02:59
nedwlaga_: i'm trying to get that bug confirmed :)02:59
nedwlaga_: i think we have enough info02:59
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laga_neo2dot0: are you the first two lines are not just you clicking the window?03:01
neo2dot0laga_: absolutely. all 3 lines appear on pressing the down arrow.03:02
mrsnocdimage.ubuntu.com is peaking out my line, nice03:02
neo2dot0and I can reproduce it.03:03
neo2dot0In Feisty, on the same computer, it all works fine.03:04
neo2dot0so it is no hardware issue.03:04
laga_neo2dot0: odd. hum. since it happens on the console as well, it might be a kernel issue?03:04
neo2dot0laga_: ouch. on the ctrl alt f1 console, the problem is gone...03:07
neo2dot0so the kernel seems alright03:07
laga_neo2dot0: so it's X then03:08
neo2dot0I use some modified keyboard layout. But on the normal qwertz layout, it doesn't work either.03:09
neo2dot0But honestly, my knowledge ends here.03:10
laga_same for me. bug the X guys in launchpad i'd say03:11
neo2dot0it's about time I got started with launchpad03:13
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jeroenvrpi updated to gutsy, but mplater en mencoder seems to be not in the repos03:20
jeroenvrpi have multiverse enabled03:20
RAOF!info mplayer03:20
ubotwomplayer - The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information03:21
RAOF!info mplayer gutsy03:21
ubotwoSorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/03:21
RAOFWhat's happened to ubotu?03:21
RAOFGah.  Anyway, mplayer & mencoder are in the repos.03:21
jeroenvrpRAOF: not here03:21
jeroenvrpdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main universe restricted multiverse03:22
jeroenvrpRAOF: oh wait there seems to be a problem03:23
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jeroenvrpFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch03:24
laga_jeroenvrp: something about a sum mismatch?03:24
laga_jeroenvrp: heh. use aptitude update03:24
jeroenvrplaga_: :-)03:24
laga_jeroenvrp: i dunno. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/13081303:24
laga_jeroenvrp: add a "me too" there ;)03:24
jeroenvrpah ok03:24
jeroenvrpand now see it mencoder is fixed03:25
jeroenvrplaga_: allthough apt-get can't install it03:26
boris55will the VPN part of network manager be shipped with ubuntu 7.10 or will I have to install it by adding another repo like in 7.04?03:27
laga_jeroenvrp: add that to the bug report then03:27
neo2dot0You get that too? Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 nicht holen  Hash Sum mismatch03:28
laga_neo2dot0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/13081303:29
jeroenvrp also not with aptitude, so it seems aptitude gives no error on multiverse, but doesnt download the package list03:36
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laga_that's interesting03:39
laga_jeroenvrp: i get "Get:7 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/multiverse Packages [158kB] "03:40
laga_when using aptitude update03:40
jeroenvrplaga_: yes, me to (main server) but did you try to install something from multiverse03:40
laga_although packages from multiverse are not installable, right03:41
jeroenvrpwhen I look into the details of e.g. mplayer it gives no version number and such03:42
jeroenvrpit is only listed because another package is pointing to it03:43
jeroenvrp"Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package."03:43
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CydeSwypehey all.  with the last update to compiz git i've been getting crashes when running compiz.  i see there's some reports in launchpad for compiz crashes, but they are all marked incomplete04:28
CydeSwypeanything i can do to help gather info on compiz crashes?04:29
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linoleumI am with Feisty : how can I pass to gusty , without using the CD ?04:34
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FireHazard17linoleum: i did it that way04:38
FireHazard17but it was a long hassle i dont want to describe04:39
DanaGOOooooooh, libpam-gnome-keyring04:41
DanaG...but another topic: I still think Gobuntu is a bad name.04:43
DanaGIn my mind, Go == mobile.04:43
ameyerumm, gobuntu?04:44
DanaG!info gobuntu-desktop04:44
ubotwoSorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/04:44
ameyeris that the GNuisance clone?04:44
ameyeror are you talking about goobuntu, the hypothetical google linux version04:45
DanaGI'm talking about Gobuntu -- the free-only version.04:45
ameyeryeah, gobuntu is a terrible name04:47
DanaGEven Freebuntu would be better.04:47
DanaGI mean, what the heck is Go?04:47
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ameyerheck, Zealotbuntu would be a more descriptive name04:50
ameyerI mean, I suspect that only a FLOSS zealot would run it04:50
ameyerbut what do I know?04:51
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cps1966why is nvidia still 975504:53
DanaG!info cheese04:53
ubotwoSorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/04:53
DanaG!info cheese gutsy04:54
DanaGpi  cheese                          - A tool to take pictures and videos from yo04:54
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CydeSwypeanyone else having wireless issues?  i'm on an intel chipset 3945 (dell lappy) and it takes many tries before i can establish a connection05:03
CydeSwypeWPA was finally fixed though.  very happy about that05:03
nedwwhat is the new package name for ubuntu-restricted-extras in gutsy?05:04
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se7en^Of^9does someone else have problems with open office (doesn"t start)05:08
mattyvnedw: as far as my package list tells me, it's still ubuntu-restricted-extras05:09
IdleOnehow do I know if I am running tribe4? started a update this morning and left it unatended and my computer was unplugged by my wife so I am not sure if update completted or not05:09
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mattyvIdleOne: Reload the package list (System > Admin > Update Manager is one way, if there's nothing to be updated you're on tribe405:11
nedwmattyv: doesn't show up for me05:11
nedwi tried with updated package lists using apt-get and aptitude05:11
nedwit shows up on gnome-app-install but it crashes when i select it05:11
nedwi can't find it in synaptic either05:11
mattyvnedw: hmm, all repos enabled in sources.list?05:12
nedwlet me see05:12
nedwas far as i know, yes; i'm going to regenerate it anyway - i've been meaning to05:12
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mattyvok, worth a shot05:13
CydeSwypei'm not seeing it in synaptic either05:13
CydeSwypeubuntu-restricted-extras that is05:13
CydeSwypeand i definitely have all my repos enabled05:14
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tehkAnyone have an issue with their deskbar results showing up in a window?05:14
Kousotutehk: what you mean?05:15
tehkWell when I use deskbar now, instead of a drop down menu with results I get a window. With two boxes. One with the seach thing and the other with the results. Like the window manager is drawing a frame05:15
cps1966multiverse repo is f**ked up05:16
mattyvPackage: ubuntu-restricted-extras05:16
mattyvPriority: optional05:16
mattyvSection: multiverse/metapackages05:16
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mattyvNot meaning to spam, that's an apt-cache show on the extras for me05:16
sn0nFailed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch05:16
sn0nknown ?05:16
tehkYea it has to do with apt being updated05:17
RAOFsn0n: Known.05:17
sn0nkk.  :-D05:17
sn0n:: looks around :: guess i'll idle here.. ;-)05:17
tehkI wonder do you think I might need to make compiz by pass the deskbar window?05:17
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pawallsAnyone else having trouble mounting nfs4 exports in gutsy?05:18
sn0noo , i guess i can report that too.. how many people are reporting no 'gnome welcome screen' and panels not loading, randomly, during login ?05:18
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nedwthere's a bug report for hash troubles which seems to be something to do with multiverse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/13081305:19
nedwtehk: i have the same deskbar window05:19
tehknedw, awesome. Atleast I am not insane05:20
nedwtehk: :) i don't have any compiz working05:20
nedwit's just metacity05:20
sn0ndeskbar window? screenie pls  :-D05:21
sn0nhttp://e-texteditor.com/index.html   linux port in progress, yey for more editors!!  (althou, its a wxwidgets based, looks nice)05:21
sn0n(not affiliated, just saw updates on digg)05:22
nedwscreenie: http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/1200/deskbarwindowir8.png05:22
tehkexcuse the apple wallpaper. one of the few things they do right.05:23
sn0nnice nice  :-D05:23
sn0nthats mine from January05:23
sn0nright now im vanilla ubuntu effects: off05:23
nedwtehk: i like your desktop - mines trash05:24
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tehkIt is usable and to the point.05:24
sn0ndefault is productive / effective05:24
nedwyou can see in the screenie i took that i am suffering from this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/11874505:25
nedwit's HORRIBLE05:25
tehkyea I use a default setup basically. Except for the clock and scale/workspace plugin from compiz-fusion05:25
sn0noo.. is that why some of my fonts are bigg.. LoL05:25
sn0nnot HUGE05:25
sn0nbut a good 3-5 pixels larger then normal on some areas05:26
Kousotuhey bullgard405:26
nedwsn0n, yeah probably05:26
nedwsn0n: i can't wait for the fix05:26
sn0nthe 'Applications / Places / System' is a lil larger then im used to05:26
sn0nit was the first thing i saw, was like 'whoa, thats about 4 pixels larger then normal'05:27
nedwsn0n, it got screwed up in some recent update05:27
sn0nand ima pixel real estate junkie...05:27
sn0nPixel Nazi ?05:27
nedwsn0n, well trust me bigger is better05:27
nedwsmall is hardly bearable05:28
bullgard4Kousotu: gm! I just got up and still am somewhat sleepy.05:28
sn0neverything is nice in ur screenie05:28
nedwis that even a word? bearable05:28
Kousotuit's 10 PM at night lol05:28
sn0nhehe, yeah05:28
nedw11:30 PM here :)05:28
sn0n8:30pm here05:28
sn0ngood ol ca05:28
Kousotu10:28 lol05:28
nedwgood old florida :)05:28
sn0nLinux needs to make it easier to report bugs05:29
nedwmoving to ohio soon05:29
sn0nfor lazy people like me05:29
tehkSo what is the preferred way to report a bug that is gutsy only. [gutsy]  in the title of the bug report?05:29
sn0nwho'd rather come in here, paste a line or two05:29
sn0nand forget it05:29
cps1966ohio is nice where i live05:29
nedwsn0n, lol05:29
sn0nits true. ;-)05:29
sn0nwhats the FIRST thing i do when i gotta bug?05:29
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sn0n:: opens pidgin, logs into freenode, joins chan, paste and wait ::05:30
RAOFsn0n: Search launchpad, and see if anyone else has reported it.05:30
sn0ntoo much work05:30
tehkWell then why use alpha05:30
sn0n<~~~ impatient user type05:30
sn0ncuz i know how to fix somethings05:30
sn0nand im pretty good mucking around in term05:30
sn0nbut thats different05:31
sn0nthats fun05:31
sn0nreporting bugs = not fun05:31
sn0nmaybe i should,.. WTF WAS THAT05:31
nedwsn0n, reporting bugs is actually pretty easier05:31
tehkWell it does equal more applications due to users05:31
sn0n'tracker-extract' closed unexpectedly05:31
sn0nwhats that05:31
nedwit's for bittorrent food05:32
sn0n:: hits close on both ::05:32
sn0ni dont think it is.. im not DLing any torrents05:32
nedwi'm just kidding05:32
IdleOnemattyv, ty for the tip earlier upgrade is in progress05:33
mattyvIdleOne: np05:34
sn0nanyone goto LinuxWorld Expo this year?05:34
sn0nerr... this week rather05:34
IdleOnewish I could05:34
sn0nno you dont. promise.05:34
IdleOnehaha why not?05:34
nedwi can't05:35
sn0nhalf of it was "next generation data center" or something lame, which basically meant 'every box was running windows'05:35
IdleOnewindows at the Linux expo?05:35
sn0nother half had a WINDOWS BOOTH!!! (for their windows IT / Microsoft SQL) Magazine05:35
IdleOnemakes no sense05:35
sn0nyes.. it was stupid05:35
sn0nlinux world expo split in half.. for the expo05:35
sn0none half linux world05:36
nedwi'm only 13 maybe when i get older :)05:36
sn0nother half 'ngdc' next generation data center05:36
sn0nor something05:36
sn0nthe ngdc half was all MS basically05:36
IdleOnenedw, ask your parents to take you05:36
sn0nevery comp had win2k3 or winxp05:36
nedwIdleOne: i'm busy all week anyway05:36
sn0nso.. i think this was the last year i'll be going05:36
cps1966thats stupid i would have walked out05:37
sn0nfree shirts were good while they lasted05:37
sn0nyeh.. i was disappointed that linuxworld even ALLOWED windows to have a booth05:37
IdleOnesn0n, if mcrosoft is willing to pay for displays at the Linux Expo heh why not05:38
IdleOnemicrosoft that is05:38
sn0nit was funny, they guy said 'well, we write alot about linux in our magazine, so we wanted to be here to let the linux community know we are here, and we're writing linux articles'05:38
cps1966sounds like greed to me all they care about is money05:38
IdleOnecps1966, takes money to support Linux05:38
sn0ni said 'ive had a complimentry subscription for two years now, and all i see is fud in Windows|IT Pro05:38
sn0nhe was like 'sorry you feel that way05:39
sn0nand i wasnt even lying either!!05:39
tehkAnyone else having the deskbar issue can find my bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/13144605:41
bullgard4I am looking for a better alternatve for OO.o Base. The OO. Base frontend does not provide a keyboard shortcut for 'Go to the next record', 'Go to the last record', 'Go to the previous record'. The 'Search for a record' keyboard shortcut Ctrl+F only opens if the cursor is prevously placed at certain screen areas. 43000 records, GUI mandatory.05:42
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CydeSwypefixed my compiz-fusion issues05:44
CydeSwypei had used envy to get it working originally on gutsy, but i think that jacked some of my packages up05:45
CydeSwypefollowed this site's purge and reinstall instructions:  http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/upgrade_to_ubuntu_gutsy_tribe_3_alpha/05:45
CydeSwypeseems fine now05:45
CydeSwypeanother issues though...somewhere along the line, i lost my middle click emulation05:51
CydeSwypemouse properties don't seem to allow me to re-enable middle click (3rd button) emulation05:51
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mattyvbullgard4: not sure if you've tried already, but you might find more answers in #ubuntu rather than #ubuntu+106:13
bullgard4mattyv: I will give it a try. Thank you.06:17
pawallsBroken deps for nfs-common06:19
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IdleOnejmg,  /topic06:22
jmglink :(06:22
jmgfound it06:23
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nemikso is there automatix for gutsy or how to get all that stuff now?06:29
RAOFGah, no ubotu.06:29
RAOFnemik: Basically, we recommend against using automatix in it's current form06:30
crdlb<ubotu> automatix is bad06:30
RAOFnemik: See  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html for more details06:30
jmgis there a better app than dvd::rip in ubuntu?06:32
nemikRAOF: yea yea i know people don't like it. but is it available still? it has never once given me a problem06:33
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RAOFnemik: You'll need to ask the automatix team.  I don't believe that it exists for gutsy.06:34
nemikok cool. thanks06:34
RAOFnemik: Also, most of the stuff that automatix does is done by ubuntu tools, now.06:34
RAOFnemik: You shouldn't *need* to use it06:34
nemikhmm ok i'll give that a shot then on gutsy. arnie says ax2 won't be available until a week before release06:35
pwnguinwhich is fantastic planning06:36
RAOFpwnguin: Testing is for the week.06:37
pwnguini think it was better the first way ;)06:37
pwnguinnemik: what does automatix accomplish for you personally?06:38
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nemikpwnguin: instant gratification in a way. one thing that i can just run once and get all the codecs and things without having to look for them individually06:39
elkbuntuyou dont have to look for codecs individually06:39
RAOFnemik: As opposed to "apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"06:39
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voidmageFailed to fetch http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch06:40
nemikRAOF: so that will do it? cool. i'll give that a shot thanks06:40
voidmageanyone else getting that?06:40
RAOFvoidmage: Everyone06:41
pwnguinRAOF: it's too bad ubuntu-restricted-extras doesn't have an Add/Remove item06:41
voidmagegood to know06:41
RAOFpwnguin: File a bug? :)06:41
pwnguinRAOF: against what?06:42
nemikRAOF: i'm not even getting ubuntu-restricted-extras. what repo should i enable for that?06:42
pwnguinprobably multiverse06:42
RAOFpwnguin: ubuntu-restricted-extras, presumably :)06:42
pwnguinits restricted, and extra06:42
voidmagei don't even know06:42
voidmageprobably multiverse06:42
voidmagesince that's what's failing right now06:42
nemikhmm automatix would put in the repo automatically so there's one advantage right there06:42
mattyvI think most new users are well served by things like the window asking if you want to install a codec when you try to play something in totem. Rather than going and finding all codecs etc before the need arises06:43
pwnguinafaik, its just a virtual package that depends on the codec packages you might want06:43
mattyvbut that's only my view06:43
pwnguini dont see the cost in adding them all at once06:43
pwnguinoh no, i can play divx before i know i want to06:43
pwnguinwhatever shall i do06:43
pwnguinthe wasted disk space is appauling06:44
pwnguini'd rather see them fix mkv playback06:44
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mattyvnor do i, but for someone new it's another thing they have to learn to do (ie. they don't know -restricted-extras exists)06:44
pwnguinand improve h264 while we're asking ffor things outta the blue ;)06:44
pwnguinmattyv: which goes back to the question of, what do we include by default and why?06:45
mattyvpwnguin: i dont see the cost in adding them all at once06:45
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pwnguini like that one healthcare CTO's complaint about MIDI06:46
RAOFnemik: System->Administration->Software sources, and you can turn on the all the repositories.  But I thought gutsy shipped with universe & multiverse enabled.06:46
pwnguini thought the whole point of multi/universe is that they werent "supported"06:46
DanaGWhat where MIDI?06:46
DanaG"That one healthcare CTO"06:46
pwnguinDanaG: take a random midi from the internet06:46
pwnguindouble click on default ubunut06:47
pwnguindepending on the version of ubuntu you have installed06:47
pwnguinit wont play, and might not even try opening totem06:47
DanaGOh yeah, on my cardbus audigy, I have to find the soundfont and use asfxload, and then play with pmidi.06:47
pwnguingstreamer has a midi plugin06:48
pwnguina couple actually06:48
pwnguinbut still06:48
pwnguinits a hilarious thing to point out06:48
pwnguinnot a word about mp3 playback, but midis? oh no!06:48
pwnguinhonestly, we might be doing users a favor by not having ff's gstreamer plugin support midi06:49
pwnguinDanaG: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/185922006:50
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Ayabarahi. I'm trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy, but ' gksudo "update-manager -d" ' doesn't show me any updates. any ideas?06:56
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mattyvAyabara: assuming you changed your sources.list?07:02
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Ayabaramattyv, erm. I really should've done that :-)07:05
Ayabaramattyv, same as always? replace feisty with gutsy?07:06
mattyvyep, so long as you've backed up anything important and realise that gutsy breaks07:08
mattyvactually, since multiverse is broken right now, you might want to wait07:08
Ayabaraah. ok.07:09
ameyerhow the heck do you "break" multiverse?07:13
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Ayabaramattyv, actually it seems I shouldn't edit the file manually before doing the gksudo step.07:13
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marginoferrorIs there a "correct" way to use the FUSE read/write driver in Gutsy?07:15
marginoferrori.e., something that avoids having to manually edit /etc/fstab?07:15
mattyvthanks for the info Ayabara, I did a fresh install so didn't read the upgrade procedure :)07:15
Ayabaramattyv, np :-)07:16
stdinmarginoferror: fuse what? ntfs-3g?07:20
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Ayabarathe output I get from ' gksudo "update-manager -d" ' is:07:20
Ayabarawarning: could not initiate dbus07:20
Ayabaracurrent dist not found in meta-release file07:20
Ayabaraanyone got an idea on how to fix this?07:21
marginoferrorstdin: I think that's another name for the same driver, yes07:21
marginoferrorstdin: The userspace driver07:21
marginoferrorIn #ubuntu I was just told about ntfs-config07:21
marginoferrorWhich I hadn't heard of07:22
stdinmarginoferror: fuse isn't ntfs-3g, ntfs-3g uses fuse07:22
marginoferrorYes, I know what fuse is07:22
marginoferrorI just meant, the ntfs driver that uses fuse07:22
stdinmarginoferror: anyway :p you want to mount without editinf fstab?07:22
marginoferrorOh, oh07:22
marginoferrorI completely forgot to type "ntfs" in my original question07:22
stdinthat why I asked :p07:23
marginoferrorI didn't realize.  Anyway, I actually already edited fstab07:23
marginoferrorIt's working fine07:23
marginoferrorI'm just wondering if there's a "proper" way to do it in the GUI07:23
marginoferrorFor when other people ask07:23
stdinI know there is a GUI for editing fstab in kubuntu, so there should be one in ubuntu07:24
stdinI think it was something like System -> Administration -> Disks07:25
stdinbut that may have changed07:25
pawallsAre init scripts in gutsy just executed in arbitrary order now? I added something to run at S05 in rc2.d and many other things are being executed before it.07:26
pawalls(including getty)07:26
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tehkAnyone else have to use a corner to unhide your panel when using compiz?07:31
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nemikdoes anyone have the problem of a laptop going into suspend when it is unplugged? this is crazy annoying07:38
marginoferrorThis is really bizarre, but sometimes GTK applications like gaim and the gnome version of xchat just completely stop taking keyboard input for me07:44
Ayabaramattyv, what did you mean with multiverse being broken?07:44
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marginoferrorOr, I should say, rather than no longer taking keyboard input07:44
mattyvtehk: yep, me07:44
marginoferrorTyping in text boxes doesn't work, specifically07:44
marginoferrorAnyone else see this?07:44
tehkmattyv, any idea why or how to fix it?07:45
mattyvAyabara: many people (all?) getting a failed hash on the package list07:45
ranjanis multiverse broken? can't get kubuntu-restricted-extras07:45
stdinranjan: yep07:45
mattyvtehk: not yet, can't say I've looked for a bug on this though07:45
ranjanstdin: ty07:45
ranjanstdin: so how long till its up again07:46
stdinranjan: shouldn't be too long, can't give an exact figure though07:46
ranjanstdin: ty07:47
Ayabarait seems that "update-manager -d" gives me the option to upgrade to gutsy only if I don't run it as root...07:47
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stdinDanaG: bot (ubotwo) seems to be broke in here, ubot3 (in other channels) seem to be working /msg it07:51
DanaGI was meaning to show it to Ayabara, though.07:51
stdincopy & paste :p07:52
DanaGgksudo sets environment variables and such; perhaps regular sudo is just breaking dbus.07:52
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AyabaraDanaG: thanks. it's ' gksudo "update-manager -d" ', that doesn't work07:52
Ayabarait also seems to break dbus07:52
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=== Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 4 released!
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(DanaG/#ubuntu+1) Well, then I don't have any other ideas.07:56
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AyabaraDanaG, thanks anyway08:01
DanaGIt' just one thing I often notice: people will tell other people to use sudo for GUI apps, which can break things.08:01
DanaGI also wonder why so many people give instructions with apt-get instead of aptitude.08:02
AyabaraDanaG, It seems I can run update-manager as user and give the password after I choose to upgrade to gutsy. will test it when multiverse unbreaks08:04
DanaGI'm already on Gutsy, and I think I have disabled multiverse.  I don't remember what was the last multiverse package I used.08:04
DanaGI remember some multiverse packages that seemed to be debian-specific things that didn't carry well to ubuntu.08:05
DanaGFor example, all the bootsplash and gfxboot packages.08:05
DanaGOh wait, I do have it enabled.08:06
AyabaraI don't even know which packages can be found in multiverse :-)08:17
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Ayabarabtw, is there website where I can see when multiverse gets fixed?08:18
kousotuI wonde who did th zd1211rw driver08:18
kousotuit works PERFECTLY08:18
GuyFromHellquick question, i'm not used to this "versioned" os; if i have tribe3 can i just run a dist-upgrade to get to tribe4 or is there going to be some major difference08:18
kousotujust upgrade I think08:19
kousotuI fresh intalled though08:19
kousotuanyone know why thewindow manaer was disabled?08:19
kousotuworkspace manager*08:20
kousotuhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Hash Sum mismatch08:20
kousotuwhat's wrong with it?08:20
stdinwell "Hash Sum mismatch" is what's wrong08:20
kousotuwell, yea.. but why?08:21
stdinbecause the hash of that file is not what it's supposed to be08:22
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kousotuubotu is back lol08:23
kousotuwhat is the medi website?08:23
kousotufor the DVD brouteforcer08:23
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stdinerm, it's not a bruteforcer, if it was it would take days to decode a DVD08:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is back lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:24
kousotuubotu shut up08:24
stdinkousotu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages < for libdvdcss08:25
kousotustdin: well, you know what I mean then08:25
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about shut up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:25
kousotuit's stupic08:27
stdinit's not stupid or smart, it's a bot, a script08:28
kousotustdin: all computers are dumb08:30
kousotustdin: my logic is this: They on;y do what you tell them to08:30
stdinthat's not your logic, it's a fact08:30
kousotuwhat's with the workspace mangers?08:31
stdinthat can only do what you tell them08:31
kousotuthy're not in T4 :(08:31
kousotujust the default 2..08:31
kousotubut my sound works, I'm happy lol08:36
kousotuThe volume uses the ntfs-3g file system which is not supported by your system.08:37
kousotuapt-get ntfs-3g right?08:37
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kousotuI wanted to make sue I had it right08:38
stdinapt-get install ntfs-3g actually08:38
kousotuforgot install lol08:38
kousotudo you know tribe 4 got rid of adding workspaces?08:39
stdinthat in gnome?08:39
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stdinthen I wouldn't care :p08:41
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kousotugreat.. I need mp3 drivers again..08:41
Ayabarais multiverse ok again?08:41
stdinmp3 driver < makes no sense08:41
stdinmp3 codec, and no multiverse isn't working08:42
kousotuyea, that's whatI meant08:42
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kousotutodem crashed again...08:43
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Ayabarastdin, is there a place I can see when multiverse is fixed, so I don' t have to poll this channel to find out?08:53
stdinapt-get update ?08:54
kousotuwait, the multiverse is the updater?08:54
kousotuE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)08:56
kousotuE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?08:56
kousotuis that cause I'm in root?08:56
stdinyeah, you need sudo08:56
Ayabarastdin, I'm gonna upgrade to gutsy, but I was advised to wait until multiverse is ok.08:56
Ayabaraso I can't do apt-get update to check08:57
stdinkousotu: and make sure you don't have adept/synatpic open...08:57
stdinAyabara: you can't really check then08:57
kousotuI had synatip open lol08:57
ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide08:58
Ayabarastdin, ok. last Q. if I download the tribe4 cd, can I upgrade my install with it, or do I have to do a clean install?08:58
stdinkousotu:  are you sure you should be running gutsy ?08:58
kousotumy sound works in gutsy08:58
stdinAyabara: you can upgrade with the alternate cd only08:58
kousotuI cn deal with debuggin issues08:58
Ayabarastdin, thanks08:58
stdinkousotu: that's not a good reason to run a development version08:58
kousotuI'm running the alpha T408:59
Infecto can some one tell me whats happend with 7.10 and ooffice and acroreader?08:59
kousotuI never have a "good" reason to do anything08:59
kousotumy reasons are my own08:59
stdinInfecto: acrobat reader can't be redistributed, you'll have to go and download from adobe09:00
Infecto;] 09:00
Infectostdin: minibuntu package to?09:00
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kousotustdin: also, gutsy runs smother than Windows in some areas09:00
stdinInfecto: then that's illegal09:01
stdinInfecto: heh? minibuntu?09:01
Infectodeb http://de.packages.medibuntu.org/ feisty free non-free09:02
stdinInfecto: mEdibuntu, yes. and again, that's not legal to distribute the binary09:03
Infectostdin: even if i was first time on adobe site and download it accpeting licence to?09:04
stdinInfecto: downloading from adobe is legal, downloading it from another site is not09:05
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ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org09:07
DanaGOh, and thus Automatix may be illegal, also -- it redistributes acroread.09:08
stdinautomatix is evil too :[p09:08
DanaGAnd what about ubuntu-commercial?  Or mepis?  I don't know whether it applies to them.09:08
HobbseeDanaG: may?09:08
HobbseeDanaG: ubuntu commercial will only put it in with agreemtns from the vendors09:09
DanaGs/illegal/breaking the law/09:09
Hobbseeno idea about mepis - but they do distribute w32codecs, so...09:09
kousotuhey Hobbsee09:09
DanaGAah, so -commercial has an agreement.  That09:09
kousotuew.. I did that bad09:09
HobbseeDanaG: well, i expect so09:09
DanaGDamn apostrophe / enter overlap!09:09
stdinwell the w32codecs ARE legal IF you have a windows license somewhere09:09
DanaGI meant to say, "That's a good answer".09:09
kousotuHobbsee: do you knowwhy worskspace manager was disabled in T4a?09:09
Hobbseekousotu: compiz thing, i expect09:10
kousotuI wanted 6 lol09:10
Hobbseeyou can set that in the compiz thingo09:10
RAOFstdin: Are they?  The Windows license doesn't restrict their use to windows-only?09:10
kousotuHobbsee: how do you do that?09:11
Hobbseekousotu: no idea.  i dont run compiz09:11
stdinRAOF: the codecs fine if you have a licence for them, ie the windows licence09:11
kousotuHobbsee: you know whomade/redid the zd1211rw driver?09:11
stdinRAOF: it doesn't specify you have to use windows, just have a licence09:12
RAOFstdin: I thought the license *specifically* stated that those codecs were licenced for use on windows.09:12
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DanaGHere's a good way to mock things: anagram-ify them.  http://wordsmith.org/anagram/        (don't post actual anagrams here -- that goes further off-topic).09:12
RAOFCool, I'll try to remember that.09:12
Hobbseekousotu: no, i dont know everything.09:12
Trewasstdin: most of the w32 codecs are from someone else than microsoft so I don't think existense of a windows license figures to their legality09:13
kousotuHobbsee: just thouht I'd ask..09:13
stdinRAOF: use on "windows" only would be too ambiguous to put in a licence09:13
kousotuHobbsee: he new driver is flawless, I love it :)09:13
DanaGI think the original company, Zydas, was the one to release drivers and specs.09:13
kousotunow it only my atheros would work....09:13
RAOFstdin: Uuuum, no it wouldn't.  You'd get a licence with each version of Windows you purchased.09:14
RAOFstdin: And it would say "blah, blah, blah, Windows XP foo bar baz"09:14
kousotuDanaG: the released it, yes, but they don't always have it right09:15
RAOFAnyway, there's nothing w32codecs does that I want, which is nice :)09:15
kousotuDanaG: as was the case in Tribe 309:15
stdinRAOF: windows could mean a few things, the NT kernel for instance is very diffrent from the 98 kernel09:15
kousotustdin: technally, it was the 95 kernal09:16
RAOFstdin: For distribution with a microsoft windows operating system?09:16
DanaGhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open_source_wireless_drivers   -- look for zydas.09:16
RAOFAnyway, I'm off!09:16
kousotuDanaG: I know they made one09:16
stdinRAOF: that would be OK i guess, but that still doesn't say it can only be used on the MS windows OS09:16
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kousotuDanaG: that doesn't mean it's what Ubuntu uses09:17
kousotuwb Hobbsee09:17
DanaGLast link about it: http://zd1211.wiki.sourceforge.net/09:17
kousotuDanaG: I get the pcture09:18
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kousotuDanaG: in FACT I tried to compilesaid diver undr Redhat 909:18
kousotuDanaG: it didn't compile, nor work09:18
stdinwell, if it didn't compile it wouldn't work :p09:19
kousotustdin: I had  deb for it too09:19
DanaGI use ipw3945, so I haven't much used zydas except to test it for a friend (with a different friend's card).09:19
stdinkousotu: for redhat??09:19
kousotustdin: whichevr the RH9 ext is for it09:19
stdinkousotu: rpm...09:20
kousotuthat thing09:20
kousotuI had rh9 fir like.. a day09:20
stdinkousotu: RedhatPackageManagement = RPM09:20
kousotustdin: ok, fine.. I had a rpm, it didn't wok09:21
stdinyes, because I hate RPM :p09:21
kousotuwell, so do I09:22
kousotuso we're even09:22
kousotuwheer can I get a good flash plugin?09:25
stdinby using the flash plugin?09:26
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kousotuthe one in ubuntu doesn't work well on youtube09:26
stdinyes it does09:27
stdinmaybe not the dapper one (v7)09:27
kousotustdin: I was just watching vids, it' lousy for me09:29
stdinkousotu: are you using v9?09:30
kousotuI''m usingwhatever was in the T4 alpha09:31
stdinkousotu: the flash "from ubuntu" isn't from ubuntu, it's the official version from adobe09:31
Hobbseestdin: there's gnash too, remember...09:32
stdinHobbsee: yeah, the open-source version, but it only works with flash v7 (IIRC)09:33
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nemikdoes anyone have the problem of a laptop going into suspend when it is unplugged? this is crazy annoying09:35
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stdinnemik: nope09:36
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kousotu[02:33]  <stdin> Hobbsee: yeah, the open-source version, but it only works with flash v7 (IIRC)  < that would explain what the errors are there09:38
stdinkousotu: are you using the 64bit version of ubuntu?09:40
kousotuspeaking of which...09:40
stdinah, was just wondering because gnash used to be the only flash on 64bit09:40
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kousotuI might be using gnash idk09:49
kousotuwat are the MP3 drivers I need?09:53
stdinin multiverse09:54
stdinunless gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly can do it, then it's in universe09:55
kousotuit didn't do it09:56
kousotuunless it was just a probelm with todem09:56
stdinI don't know what package dose it for gstreamer, my apps use xine09:57
kousotuI put Todem in xine, I think09:58
stdinthe xine package is libxine1-ffmpeg09:59
kousotuwhichdo I download?09:59
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stdinthere should be an ubuntu package called "flashplugin-nonfree"10:01
stdinin synaptic/adept/apt-get/aptitide10:01
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kousotuI'll apt-get t when my other updates are done10:05
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kousotustdin: I got my mp3s working on rythmbox10:10
stdinAmarok is the daddy of audio players10:11
kousotuman linuxis crazy..10:11
kousotumy volume butto don't workagainst the music10:12
kousotuPackage flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.10:12
kousotuThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or10:12
kousotuis only available from another source10:12
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martosshi folks,10:48
martosscan anybody provide a hint where to look if apt-get update quits with:10:49
martossE: Problem parsing dependency Depends10:49
martossE: Error occurred while processing msms (NewVersion1)10:49
martossE: Problem with MergeList ...10:49
martossmsms is a checkinstall created package in an debarchiver repository. Nothing official from ubuntu...10:50
stdinseems the package is bad10:51
martosshmm, it installs correctly via dpkg, so where shall I start to look for?10:52
martossis it because of the category or so?10:52
stdinthe problem seems to be the dependency list "E: Problem parsing dependency Depends" it may be looking for a "Depends" package (?)10:53
martoss"Depends: " is empty on all of the trouble making packages...10:56
martossthe only thing they have in common is that they are in section "Science" and not "science", can this be an issue?10:57
ameyerheh, apt needs depends10:58
stdincheckinstall doesn't make great packages, I'd suggest using dh_make to debianize the packages10:58
ameyerI'm sure there's a joke theree somewhere10:58
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martossist there a package editor (basically a frontent to ar) ;-). E.g. to edit depends sections and so on? But you're probably right with dh_make.11:00
martosshow complicated is it to debianize non os packages with dh_make?11:01
stdindepends on the complexity of the package11:01
ubotucheckinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!11:02
stdinmartoss: there isn't a GUI, but I just do "ar x file.deb ; tar xzf control.tar.gz" and edit it11:02
martossok, writing an unpack and repack script shouldn't be that hard. I don't wanna mess up with the old packages, but for new ones I try dh_make then :-)11:03
stdinmartoss: a warning tho, the order you put the items back in that ar archive matters11:04
martossok ;-)11:04
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stdinmartoss: "debian-binary" then "control.tar.gz" then "data.tar.gz"11:06
stdinmartoss: you can use Ark to do that :)11:06
martossok, don't like ark that much, but if it is suitable for that, i reconsider my opinion...11:07
stdinI use it for the packing, just to make sure it goes in the right order11:08
martossstupid... it seems as if the empty "Depends: " section was the mess...11:17
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stdinmartoss: the package "maint-guide" has a packaging guide (in /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/) to make debian packages from source11:20
martossok, i isolated 3 packages that make trouble and try to repack them with dh_make11:20
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stdindh_make will make a debian directory, you'll need to edit the files in there11:22
_StefanS_Hi there, any hopes of getting openoffice.org to work on gutsy ?11:23
stdinstill broken here11:23
_StefanS_yea.. acroread still has the similar issue as well.11:24
_StefanS_stdin: do you know if the ubuntu tribe 4 cd's have that issue as well?11:24
stdinthe tribe4 cd just has more updated packages, same as apt-get dist-upgrade will give you11:25
_StefanS_uhm well installing openoffice.org-gnome solves it11:25
_StefanS_acorrding to Riddell's notes11:26
stdinthey thought that oo.o-gtk would too, but it didn't :p try it if you want11:27
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tulgaI need install initscripts 2.86.ds1-38.1 on gutsy. where is deb?11:27
_StefanS_tulga: not there yet ;)  - I have the same issue11:28
tulgahehe ok11:28
_StefanS_tulga: you're probably installing nfs-common, right?11:28
tulgawhen will be support?11:28
_StefanS_wait a few hours, and I think it will be in the repos11:28
_StefanS_they usually are11:28
_StefanS_stdin:  openoffice.org-gtk works for me11:29
stdindoesn't work here, just hangs eating 100% CPU11:30
_StefanS_tulga: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=initscripts, should give you heads up  on build progress11:31
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tulgais your chess working?11:31
_StefanS_tulga: chess?11:31
_StefanS_tulga: I run kde..11:31
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tulgaohh ok11:31
tulgakde4 is looking very good11:32
Ayabaraalmost at the end of the upgrade from feisty to gutsy, I got a message that update-manager failed to upgrade, and that my system "could be in an unusable state"11:33
_StefanS_tulga: yep think so too, but ofcourse long from being useable :)11:33
fulat2ktulga: is that the version in tribe4?11:33
_StefanS_Ayabara: solve it in the command line11:33
AyabaraI run "dpgk-reconfigure -a" now (cause it told me to), but I'm not sure what to do afterwards11:33
stdinfulat2k: you have to install it, from universe11:33
tulgabut all packages updaetd11:33
tulgaI think now tribe411:33
fulat2ktulga: ic.  installed the beta1 on my feisty... looks nice, but very unfinished... but it's expected :)11:34
Ayabara_StefanS_, any hints on where I should start?11:34
AyabaraI'm unsure about most of what I'm prompted about in dpkg-reconfigure -a... I select something when I understand it, and leave it at default otherwise.11:37
_StefanS_Ayabara: yep11:39
_StefanS_Ayabara: sudo apt-get update first.11:39
_StefanS_Ayabara: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:39
Ayabara_StefanS_, ok. still the checksum error in multiverse I see..11:40
_StefanS_Ayabara: sudo dpkg --configure -a if you have packages that have not fully configured11:40
Ayabarait seems to be console-setup that is the problem package11:40
_StefanS_Ayabara: you can usually continue using apt-get -f install11:41
Ayabara_StefanS_, when console-setup is configuring, it tries to execute a binary on a network drive I have mounted at work (<something>/ppc_gcc-4.1.1_glibc-2.4_i686-linux--nojava1/bin/locale: cannot execute binary file).11:43
Ayabarathat's where it fails11:43
_StefanS_Ayabara: just umount them prior to upgrade11:44
Ayabara_StefanS_, I tried to do that now, and I get: YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound11:44
_StefanS_Ayabara: something is surely still mounted / active somewhere it seems11:45
Ayabara_StefanS_, ahh. it worked despite the message. unmounted and setup the broken packages fine11:46
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Ayabara_StefanS_, now update and dist-upgrade goes through only telling me that digikam is held back. does that mean I'm ready for a reboot?11:47
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Ayabarasince I get no errors I can trust that all my packages are (properly) configured?11:49
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martossare dh_make related questions OT here?11:59
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stdinprobably, yes11:59
stdin#ubuntu-devel or -offtopic are better places12:00
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Amaranthmartoss: #ubuntu-motu12:01
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Ayabara_StefanS_, thanks for the help. gutsy here I am :-)12:25
Ayabarathe fonts in gnome are freakishly huge ...12:25
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Ayabarawhat's you fonts dpi setting?12:32
Ayabarayou as in: hope someone think I mean them and replies ;-)12:33
Ayabaramy default fonts were very huge. I had 117 dpi and sizes 11 and 10.12:34
_StefanS_mine is 120dpi on 1600x1200 lcd12:35
Ayabaraah. dpi autodetection broken? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/11595012:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115950 in fontconfig "big fonts after Gutsy upgrade" [Undecided,New] 12:35
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_StefanS_Ayabara: I just forced 120, and it works12:36
morphirwhere is the source code for the live cd installer located?12:36
Ayabara_StefanS_, ok12:36
Hobbseemorphir: it's called ubiquity12:37
morphirHobbsee: nice, thanks12:39
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Hobbseethere is a qt version12:40
morphirHobbsee: yeh, the one kubuntu uses?12:42
morphirit's not as nice as the one in ubuntu though12:43
morphira konsole window pops up in verbose mode12:43
morphirwhich is not elegant12:44
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Hobbseemorphir: feel free to help out with it - Riddell in #kubuntu-devel is who you want12:45
Hobbseeno idea if he's up yet12:45
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stdinhe is, just about :p12:46
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AyabaraI can't mount nfs drives in gutsy. I try to install nfs-common and get the following error:12:53
AyabaraThe following packages have unmet dependencies:12:53
Ayabara  nfs-common: Depends: initscripts (>= 2.86.ds1-38.1) but 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu25 is to be installed12:53
XemanthAyabara: have you tried apt-get -f install ?12:56
Xemanthhmm version differency12:56
stdin!info initscripts12:56
ubotwoinitscripts - Scripts for initializing and shutting down the system - available in Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) - See http://packages.ubuntu.com/ for more information12:56
ubotuinitscripts: Scripts for initializing and shutting down the system. In component main, is required. Version 2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu25 (gutsy), package size 56 kB, installed size 372 kB12:56
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Ayabarait says initscripts is the latest version12:58
stdinthat's because it is12:59
Ayabarastdin, I figured that was why :-)01:00
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ccookeAre there any test packages of xorg 7.3?01:00
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AyabaraI get the "wrong fs type" when I try to mount an nfs-drive. Do I need the nfs-common package to mount, or could it be other reason. The package sounds kinda essential...01:01
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Ayabaraanyone manage to install nfs-common?01:05
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Ayabaranfs seems to have broken. can anyone confirm this?01:24
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Hobbseeyeha, it's known01:25
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SeveredHead2 questions: Is Xorg 7.3 significantly better than 7.2 and is it going to make it into gutsy?01:37
hylje7.3 brings us on-the-fly configuration01:37
SeveredHeadSo...no more need for xorg.conf or what?01:39
hyljesee also https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy01:42
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SeveredHeadAh, okay.01:50
SeveredHeadAlso, is it a known bug that sessions don't get locked?01:50
SeveredHeadWhen I close my screen, my GNOME session doesn't lock.01:50
hyljeit doesnt by default when you just leave it01:51
SeveredHeadWhat about when I close my laptop lid?01:52
hyljeby default it just waits there01:52
SeveredHeadWhere's the option to change that?01:53
SeveredHeadWasn't the default in Feisty to lock the screen after X timeout?01:53
SeveredHeadMaybe I turned it off somewhere stupidly..01:53
hyljei'm still on feisty, though01:53
SeveredHeadOh, I found it.01:53
SeveredHeadIt's in screensaver properties.01:53
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SeveredHead"Lock screen when screensaver is active"01:53
Ayabarais there a site with a nice overview over new features and significant improvements in gutsy?01:54
hyljethe technical side is explained in the blueprints01:54
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AyabaraI keed getting this message in my shell YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound02:14
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|Lunar_Lamp|Hmm, is it a known bug that most recent updates seem to break kicker in kde?02:19
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|Lunar_Lamp|Righteo, I shall potter off to bugzilla then.02:20
Hobbsee|Lunar_Lamp|: "break"?02:21
|Lunar_Lamp|Hobbsee, the kicker is just not there - when I try to start it, it says it's already running. Even killing it and restarting it, it's still just not there.02:22
Hobbsee|Lunar_Lamp|: it's not hidden off to the side?02:22
|Lunar_Lamp|Hobbsee, nope, checked for that.02:22
Hobbsee|Lunar_Lamp|: i cant reproduce that here, havent seen it reported02:23
|Lunar_Lamp|Must be something odd about my setup then,02:23
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ccookea lot of things in Gnome seem to depend on /usr/bin/esd02:48
ccookewhich doesn't exist in Gutsy02:48
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Skiessidoes ubuntu support this? http://www.trust.com/products/default.aspx?cat=_Current&grp=TABLETS&type=12X9-INCH&item=1407002:57
albert23ccooke: esd is in esound02:59
ccookealbert23: yes, but is now not part of the standard install03:00
ccookeesound, that is03:00
albert23I see. Just installed it myself03:00
ccookeUbuntu has been working towards removing esound for some time, I understand03:00
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ccookethey've now *done* that, but there appear to be several things still assuming it's there03:01
mrsnoSkiessi someone else asked before on the forums, try searching that model number on ubuntuforums.org03:01
Skiessihttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-140402.html this one?03:01
albert23looks like totem needs it03:01
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ccookeInteresting. we still depend on esound-common03:02
Skiessidoes anyone here speak french? http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=134935 what is that one guy saying about it?03:02
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mrsnolooks like it Skiessi03:03
Skiessi"reconnu qui fonctionne  merveille" :o anyone?03:03
mrsnoSkiessi try #ubuntu-fr :)03:04
Skiessiok :D03:04
mrsnooff the top of my head it sounds like "recognized functions wonderfully" but my french sucks :)03:04
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Skiessiokay he says it works ^^03:09
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Stormx2When doing an upgrade, it'd be cool to have something on the left like [12/745]  or whatever, to display how many packages are left, etc.03:47
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gutsytesthello you all03:51
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gutsytesti am testing tribe 4 , what happened to emerald themes, will they come back?03:51
gutsytestand how would you run them?03:51
gutsytestor should i go to desktop effects channel?03:52
gutsytestwho is running gutsy right now?03:53
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gutsytestdesktop effects seem to work, but its really a hassle to find them, cube effect has become flat, maybe wrong setting some how...03:54
virtuelvdo changelogs between tribe-3 and -4 exist?03:54
virtuelvIn particular, I'd like to find out whether my minipci RT2500-based network card should work now03:54
gutsytesti dont have a cube, its flat , ?03:56
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gutsytesti hope so ...for you04:00
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gutsytestah i see just two desktops...04:00
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gutsytest:)ok got the cube back04:13
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taxmanthere doesn't seem to be a desktop-i386 jigdo available, is that on purpose?04:33
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taxmanevery other one has a jigdo file04:36
taxmanwell except desktop amd6404:36
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gutsytesthmm, no cube caps images04:38
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Stormx2upgrade done!04:57
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Stormx2Where is "Fonts" under gutsy?05:14
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Zapekhi. I have an nvidia card but restricted-manager doesn't show it, even though I use it. what could it be?05:31
pawallsIs there any way to force something to occur serially w/ the new upstart stuff? I have an init script that takes a little while but *must* be executed before tty's are spawned.. any way to accomplish this?05:35
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pawallsIt seems like priority (eg. S10) is completely ignored in /etc/rcX.d05:36
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DanaGPCMCIA: socket f79ac440: *** DANGER *** unable to remove socket power05:40
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mgedmin_I'm trying to compile alsa from CVS to fix sound on my Lenovo T61, but I hit a wall: 2.6.22-9-generic doesn't have linux/modversions.h, nor linux/config.h06:48
mgedmin_err, I mean, linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic doesn't have those two include files06:48
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DanglyBitsdo I need to download the various "Tribes" to keep ubuntu uptodate or can i just use the uptodate manager?06:52
stdinDanglyBits: just update normally06:53
mgedmin_actually, all the .h files in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic/include/config/ have size 006:54
pawallsI don't think the implications of starting tty1 in parallel w/ rc2.d were really considered in the latest version of upstart.06:55
Trewasgnome-power-manager has taken a new project, driving people either mad or to some other desktop environment... 1) sometimes suspends when powercord removed, 2) constantly changes the backlight brightness, 3) occasionally decides that backlight cannot be turned off, no matter how long idle, 4) reporting completely bogus battery remaining times...06:55
Trewasthe first one wins the most annoying contest, too bad that problem disappears if g-p-m is run with --verbose --no-daemon, so it's difficult to debug wtf it is doing06:56
albert23mgedmin: do you really need cvs? 1.0.14 compiled without problems on tribe 406:57
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mgedmin_albert23: I need CVS because the three patches that make sound work on a T61 were committed just after the 1.0.14 release07:07
mgedmin_albert23: what's your kernel version?07:08
albert23mgedmin: kernel is 2.6.22-907:08
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mgedmin_I'm really surprised to find that /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/config is full of empty .h files07:09
albert23I need to patch 1.0.14 with realtek patch to make it work. Can you get the patches to 1.0.14 for your system07:09
mgedmin_that doesn't seem right to me07:09
mgedmin_could you paste the output of ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build/include/config/modversions.h on your system?07:09
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albert23-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-08-03 03:34 /lib/modules/2.6.22-9-generic/build/include/config/modversions.h07:10
mgedmin_so it's not just my system07:12
mgedmin_and you said you could build alsa 1.0.14?07:12
albert23Yes, I can. But I still need to patch it to make my audio work07:12
mgedmin_I'll try that too07:12
mgedmin_the patches I need are referenced in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/AD198407:13
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albert23How do you compile alsa? I use hgcompile07:14
mgedmin_I'm trying to follow the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting07:15
mgedmin_basically, ./configure && make07:15
mgedmin_and make barfs because it cannot find the value of HZ07:15
mgedmin_that's with ALSA checked out from CVS07:16
mgedmin_it works with the source tarball from the alsa-source package07:16
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albert23You could try ./hgcompile --with-cards=hda-intel. I have hda-intel also07:16
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mgedmin_there's no hgcompile in my cvscheckout, and ./cvscompile failed07:17
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mgedmin_maybe I should try a hg checkout instead of a CVS checkout07:18
mgedmin_there's a file called "version" that says 1.0.1107:18
tehkWell the deskbar window thing is a feature.07:20
albert23my version says 1.0.1407:20
albert23Isn't Lenova the new name for Tinkpad? I have "AD1984_THINKPAD" in 1.0.1407:23
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mgedmin_whee, I botched the compilation somehow07:24
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Amaranthif you're having audio problems and you just bought a brand new laptop wait for the next kernel update07:25
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mgedmin_i can has working sound!07:29
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TABASCO-07I have some trouble with the restricted manager for my Broadcom Wireless Chip07:36
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Zapeklike the chip not showing up in the list?07:37
TABASCO-07When I click on "Enable" he asks me for a special firmware, but if I click on "browse", nothing happens07:37
TABASCO-07Zapek: No, seems like he found the chip07:38
TABASCO-07I'm via ethernet online at the moment... in feisty it worked for a while with ndiswrapper but then he stopped to work. When I read the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter I saw that Gutsy will make it possible to install drivers for the Broadcom Wireless Chips07:39
TABASCO-07I have a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller07:39
TABASCO-07But in "restricted drivers" he shows me "Firmware: Firmware for Broadcom 43xx chipset family"07:41
AmaranthTABASCO-07: The firmware is not freely available07:45
TABASCO-07Amaranth: But I have a CD of the Laptop I use07:45
AmaranthTABASCO-07: You have to download it from somewhere and then tell the restricted-manager where on your HD it is07:45
AmaranthTABASCO-07: the firmware in inside the windows driver, you have to extract it07:46
TABASCO-07Amaranth: Thats the point, it does not work07:46
TABASCO-07I cannot click on "Browse"07:46
Amaranthyou have to extract it07:46
Amaranthnot the .dll file07:46
Amaranthyou have to get the firmware out of the .dll file07:46
TABASCO-07by using ark or what?07:46
TABASCO-07Amaranth: well, I extracted the .exe file from the CD now and I have some files here..07:49
Amaranthno, there is a special tool07:49
Amaranth!info bcm43xx-fwcutter07:49
ubotubcm43xx-fwcutter: Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:006-1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 116 kB07:49
Amaranth(hint, that package also has a script that will download a .dll, extract the firmware, and install it)07:49
Amaranthbasically it'll do all the work07:49
AmaranthBut it's not legal for us to do that for you07:50
TABASCO-07mhm... it's the question in what country I am, right?07:50
Amaranththis is a copyright issue, applies to every country07:50
TABASCO-07But I have already bought a laptop that contains a driver CD.07:51
TABASCO-07So I payed for using the firmware, or not?07:51
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TABASCO-07(the package is already installed)07:52
Amaranthbut we cannot distribute it07:52
Amaranthso you have to get the firmware on your own07:52
Amarantheither from a driver cd or somewhere on the internet07:52
TABASCO-07Ah, I understand, well, thats not the problem07:52
Amaranthdpkg -L bcm43xx-fwcutter07:52
TABASCO-07But what shall I do if he doesn' open a window if I click on "browse"07:53
Amaranthyou'll see a file that ends with .sh07:53
Amaranthrun that file with sudo07:53
Amaranthit'll do all the work07:53
TABASCO-07404 Not found07:54
TABASCO-07seems like it does not any longer exists07:54
TABASCO-07and in the .exe are seven .dll files07:56
AmaranthI don't know how to do it then07:56
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TABASCO-07But why is it not possible just to click on "browse" when I wants the firmware?07:57
TABASCO-07I click but nothing happens07:57
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TABASCO-07wouh... I didn't knew that pidgin quits by clicking on the X07:58
hyljethat isn't obvious at all :p07:59
TABASCO-07hylje: I thought it will minimize to the Gnome bar on the top instead...08:00
hyljesome apps do that08:00
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hyljebut i wouldnt count on that08:00
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hyljerather use the tray icon to call it08:00
TABASCO-07well... there is no icon up there..08:01
hyljeoh well. the tray spec is broken, anyway08:01
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TABASCO-07so why is it not possible just to click on browse and choose the directory where the firmware is?08:02
TABASCO-07I do not expect from Ubuntu that it comes with the firmware itself, but it would be useful if I could just show the system where it is...08:03
TABASCO-07well, so I try to get my Feisty up again... maybe it works more stable08:07
TABASCO-07thank you so far, bye08:08
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about desktopeffects - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:21
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects08:21
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askandHi!I have problems with my aticard..when I enable the ati driver from restricted drivers I get a blackscreen after reboot..please help? I have xorg.conf files if its any use?08:54
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askandI get "xgl not present" when running compiz --replace..why can that be?09:28
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kerami have a duo core processor09:37
anchorhy i use "feisty fawn" my problem is: vim ignnore my .vimrc09:37
keramand i want this program to use up as much processing power as it wants09:37
kerambut it seems to max out at 99%09:37
TheInfinityanchor: tjis is a gutsy channel :)09:37
keramwhile sometimes when i'm running nautilus and i'm trying to view thousands of images in a single dir top says that it is using 116%09:38
anchorTheInfinity, im sorry09:38
keramis there some reason behind that?09:38
TheInfinityno problem ;) ... -> #ubuntu :)09:38
keramor is this a ##linux question?09:39
TheInfinitykeram: this is magic ;) ... make a bug report, this should not be ;)09:39
keramwhat shouldnt be09:39
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kerammore than 100%?09:39
TheInfinityyes *g*09:39
laga_why not?09:40
kerami figured maybe it could go at 200% because its duo core?09:40
laga_actually, in a SMP box itn should say 50% if one core is used. imho09:40
laga_dunno. :)09:40
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hyljesymmetric multiprocessing09:40
hyljemulti-cpu stuff09:41
finalbetaI crash Rhythmbox at demand, why doesn't apport notice this? and collect debug information?09:41
keramand sometimes when i am running this program at 99% some other programs are runing at like 2 or 5%09:41
keramso it adds up to more than 10009:41
finalbetaGo to the options, anable or disable the cross fading backend. click the Music tab, and bam, crash.09:42
finalbetaBut no apport.09:42
TheInfinityfinalbeta: same prob here with kde - also almost never any bug report09:42
finalbeta(I have this bug on several machines)09:42
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ubotuFor help debugging your program, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures09:47
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needcoffeehi, i have serval problems with gutsy...i get tons of device-mapper errors on bootup with the kernel 2.6.22-9 (386), kernel 2.6.20-16 works good so far...the other problem is, that there is nothing displayed if i switch to a terminal tty1, tty2 etc., just blank black screens10:26
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