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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU likely down for the next few days
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Fujitsu at Wed Aug 8 04:01:59 2007
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hello07:57
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DarkSun88Hello ajmitch :)07:58
halcyonCorsairajmitch: an ubuntu motu, huh? i still stick by what i said in tele301, gentoo is way better ;P08:00
ajmitchhalcyonCorsair: ok, if so, why are you here? :)08:00
halcyonCorsairajmitch: because i have a big stick, and i like to stir things? .... no, its because i was having trouble writing an init-script for ubuntu08:01
ajmitchheh :)08:02
ajmitchtried using #!/bin/bash ?08:02
halcyonCorsairhey! good idea, i just had #!/bin/gcc at the top ;P08:03
ajmitchsome things never change, do they08:04
StevenKhalcyonCorsair: Surely #!/usr/bin/gcc -O7 -funroll-all-loops .... :-)08:05
halcyonCorsairStevenK: well, i considered it, but i decided to optimise out all that extra typing :)08:08
LaserJockStevenK: that's not nearly long enough08:08
ajmitchnot optimised enough08:08
LaserJockmy CFLAGS were like 4 or 5 lines long when I ran Gentoo08:09
StevenKLaserJock: Agreed. I ran out of GCC optimiser flags that I could remember.08:09
ajmitchthen you saw the light08:09
LaserJockI spent like 1-2 days letting this cool app optimize my flags, just for the heck of it08:09
StevenKNow the 4 or 5 line CFLAGS are in all of the motu science packages ....08:09
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LaserJockthen spent 2+ days compiling KDE08:10
LaserJockStevenK: mwhahahaha, you know it ;-)08:10
ScottKGood night all.  I'm out of steam.08:10
StevenKNight ScottK 08:10
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nixternalinteresting...I had an app FTBS earlier today, but in the PPA, it builds fine now...it was due to broken deps on kdelibs4-dev at the time...so in order to fix the breakage earlier, how do I go about doing that?08:15
ajmitchnixternal: beg an archive admin for a giveback?08:17
=== nixternal does just that then
RAOFSo, I've got a couple of "waiting on Debian" packages queued up: miro & deluge-torrent.08:18
RAOFWith UVF fast approaching, what's the right approach?  Wait for debian, and ask for a UVFe?08:19
RAOFOr just package the new upstreams, and sync in Gutsy+1?08:20
nixternaland that archive admin has now been bugged :)08:21
ajmitchwait & ask & sync08:21
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ajmitchdepends on how long you expect to wait for debian08:22
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RAOFSo, deluge-torrent has an active maintainer, and the upgrade is simple.  That shouldn't be too long.08:22
guardian_is it possible to pass CFLAGS as command line when launching dpkg-buildpackage ?08:23
RAOFMiro, sadly, is a different matter.  The maintainer's active, but libboost-python is broken in Sid.  And will be until (1) they do the python2.5 transition or (2) Someone makes libboost build against all supported pyversions08:23
RAOFguardian: Kinda, but generally no.08:24
guardiani have an arch independant package08:24
guardiani have an arch independant source package08:24
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guardianhowever, i would like to use very special CFLAGS to build for the nokia n800 internet tablet08:25
RAOFThe democracy/miro maintainer assures me he's working on a package, but I haven't heard from him in a bit.08:25
RAOFguardian: debian/rules is your friend, or should be.08:25
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RAOFguardian: If you're building *on* an n800, that should be easy, just detect the arch and set CFLAGS appropriately.08:26
RAOFguardian: If you're cross-compiling, then debian/rules is still what you're after, but I've no experience.08:27
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elmargolRAOF: I'm quite familiar whit the miro packages08:33
RAOFelmargol: Oh, cool?08:34
elmargolhad someone time to review my gnunet packages?08:34
elmargolRAOF: I was involved in the democracy -> miro migration (with upstream)08:35
RAOFelmargol: Ah, awesome.  Know anything about the gstreamer backend?08:35
elmargolhttp://www.kitterman.com/test/gnunet_0.7.2b-0ubuntu1.dsc <-08:36
elmargolRAOF: gstreamer works but xine is more tested atm08:36
RAOFelmargol: Is that the gnu CIL runtime?08:36
RAOFCommon Intermediate Language.  mono & .NET implement it.08:36
elmargolNo, it is an anonymous p2p framework08:37
elmargolLike freenet or MUTE08:37
ajmitchno, the gnu CIL runtime is dotgnu portable.net08:37
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ajmitchwhich really needs updated in debian & fixed up08:37
elmargolgnunet is atm broken on every debian bases distro08:38
RAOFelmargol: Anyway, I'd like to migrate the Ubuntu packages to the gstreamer backend if at all possible.  Are you still in contact with upstream?08:38
elmargolRAOF: gstreamer is already in place. You only have to set a gconf entry08:38
RAOFelmargol: Yes, I know.  Well, and revert a patch that removes the option, 'cause it segfaults when more than one output is available :)08:39
elmargolRAOF: /join #miro08:39
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RAOFelmargol: Aw, make me do work? :P08:40
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white!info poppler sid08:59
ubotuPackage poppler does not exist in sid08:59
whiteubotu: stupid thing, learn source packages08:59
white!info puppler-utils sid08:59
ubotuPackage puppler-utils does not exist in sid08:59
white!info poppler-utils sid08:59
ubotupoppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-6 (sid), package size 100 kB, installed size 276 kB08:59
StevenKwhite: poppler |    0.5.4-6 |      unstable | source08:59
whiteStevenK: nope, 0.5.4-6.1 (once that NMU shows up)09:00
white!info poppler-utils gutsy09:00
ubotupoppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.9-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 110 kB, installed size 296 kB09:00
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whitehmm 0.5.9 probably includes the security patch09:00
StevenKwhite: That's based on rmadison -s unstable poppler09:01
whiteStevenK: well i normally use dak ls (which is new madison) on merkel.debian.org :)09:01
StevenKdak ls *is* madison09:01
whiteStevenK: i wish the girls would come back09:02
StevenKWhen dak was still on auric (geez, that was a while ago), I had a jennifer wrapper in my ~/bin09:03
whiteStevenK: if we have to upgrade the dak for debian-edu, i will have aliases09:03
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Hobbseeheya TheMuso 09:09
Hobbseeoh, MOTU meeting must have been hours ago09:10
StevenKAbout 2:30 or so09:10
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whiteHobbsee: you look like you want to fix a segfault bug on amd64 :)09:15
RAOFNa, amd64 is my thing.09:15
whitedebian bug #42360609:16
ubotuDebian bug 423606 in k3dsurf "segmentation fault of k3dsurf on start up" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/42360609:16
whiteRAOF: there you go09:16
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RAOFThat looks like KDE.  I retract my amd64 prowess :)09:17
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StevenKHah, apt-proxy can't be fixed.09:18
whiteok, whoever works on that debian bug, i will be grateful ;)09:18
RAOFStevenK: Well, it can have a 1 line patch applied, which allows it to *start* at least :P09:18
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FujitsuIs LP being incredibly slow for anyone else tonight?09:33
ajmitchno, it's fine here09:34
ajmitchyou just filed a sync request at the same time I did09:34
ajmitchbug 131473, 13147409:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131473 in libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl "Please sync libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13147309:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131474 in libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl "Please sync libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13147409:35
StevenKOuch. That package name sucks.09:35
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ajmitchno kidding09:35
ajmitchthat's probably why we both synced it09:35
ajmitchmakes the rc bug list too wide09:35
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FujitsuHah, so I did.09:37
Fujitsuajmitch: That's why I attacked it, yep.09:37
FujitsuI was annoyed that I couldn't see the comments :(09:37
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FujitsuHm, I think LP is infinitely redirecting https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flim/1:1.14.8+0.20061220-109:38
FujitsuCan somebody else try that, please?09:38
rglwnyone running latest clamav 0.91.1 on dapper?09:38
ajmitchFujitsu: broken for me09:39
Fujitsuajmitch: It works without distros/... fix it kthxbye.09:39
ajmitchFujitsu: probably the 'distros' part in the URL09:39
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ajmitchgmod == suck09:39
ajmitchdpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)09:39
ajmitchdh_gencontrol: command returned error code 6528009:39
ajmitchok, changed the bug list09:41
Fujitsuajmitch: Danke.09:42
ajmitchI need to change the url bits09:43
ajmitch.dsc files don't have the epoch09:43
FujitsuSpeaking of epochs... they cause the eternal redirection.09:44
ajmitchno surprise09:44
ajmitchprobably for the same reason09:45
FujitsuWhy aren't epochs in filenames? Isn't it only Windows that has a fit with them?09:46
ajmitchno idea09:47
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Hobbseebah. speak of the devil.09:48
ajmitchhello Hobbsee 09:49
Hobbseeat least it only drops the ssh connection now...09:49
=== TheMuso forgot about the meeting. What happened?
TheMusoAnd I was in transit somewhere else anyway...09:50
ajmitchmostly just discussion about qa & policies for new packages in gutsy+109:50
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TheMusoSounds lke I didn't really miss much.09:57
Fujitsuajmitch: Would it be feasible to have a title attribute on the bug link with the summary?09:59
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ajmitchI'll see what data I have access to at that point without having to rewrite it10:00
FujitsuIt's not particularly important, but it'd be nice to have.10:01
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Hobbseewhite: i so dont.10:07
Lutinavr-libc fails to build with the following error: tetex-bin(inst 2007-10 ! <= wanted 3.0-30)|texlive-extra-utils(missing)  . it requires texlive (>= 2007-4), but we have 2007-12ubuntu1 . can it be caused by the order of the alternatives ?10:09
whiteHobbsee: :/10:11
ajmitchpoor white 10:12
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Fujitsuajmitch: The Debian `Grab' link points to the fixed version, not the latest. Thus it often 404s.10:13
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ajmitchFujitsu: fixed10:19
Fujitsuajmitch: Thanks.10:19
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ajmitchFujitsu: removed the epoch from urls as well, check if they're all still valid10:22
ajmitchhm, no10:22
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ajmitchforgot to return10:23
ajmitchgetting None as a version in a url isn't helpful10:24
FujitsuQuite possibly nor.10:25
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=== ajmitch testbuilds boinc-app-seti
ajmitchwidest version field :)10:29
FujitsuI was about to look at that one.10:29
ajmitchprevious change was just a rebuild10:29
=== Fujitsu attacks haskell-src-exts
Fujitsu(longest Debian version)10:30
FujitsuHm, VCS checkout. Maybe not.10:30
ajmitchthen flim10:30
FujitsuI've already requested that, AFAICR.10:30
FujitsuHum, maybe not.10:30
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FujitsuLooks like I didn't end up doing it for some reason.10:31
FujitsuOh, right, got distracted by the redirections being stupid.10:31
ajmitchcomment field is useful then?10:32
FujitsuNot in this case, is it?10:33
ajmitchin general10:33
FujitsuAh, yes.10:33
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FujitsuYay, defenstration.10:35
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ajmitchlucky seb12810:36
coNPHi everyone! 10:37
HobbseeFujitsu: yes, in a classic act of antidisestablishmentarianism.10:37
coNPDo you know where packages are that have been accepted in Debian but there are manual override issue because of new binary packages?10:38
whitecoNP: NEW ?10:38
coNPNo, package updates with new binary packages (because of library soname changes)10:38
whitecoNP: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html10:39
coNPI wanted to sync openbox 3.4.4 but cannot find it neither on incoming.d.o nor at packages.d.o10:39
ajmitchstill in NEW10:39
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whitecoNP: new binary packages always go through NEW10:39
coNPCool, thanks. Can someone file a sync request against these packages?10:39
ajmitchcan't sync from NEW10:39
whitecoNP: NEW is not accessable10:40
whitecoNP: only for the ftp team (and some other groups)10:40
coNPI see. It was the very moment I wanted to ask where I can get the source :)10:40
ajmitchI guess the ironpython package should be updated :)10:41
whitecoNP: ask the maintainer :)10:41
coNPYes I guess this will be the case.10:41
coNPI want this package to get into Ubuntu before it gets frozen10:41
whitecoNP: which one?10:41
coNPActually I wanted to have the this-0.0.2 release, but I was told to send my patches to Debian so that we can sync.10:42
whitecoNP: that is which $package?10:42
coNPSorry, openbox. 10:42
whitecoNP: see if they have it on alioth and maybe build it yourself there?10:43
coNP(Actually I have written that earlier :))10:43
whitecoNP: although I would probably suggest waiting until it is in debian10:43
ajmitchthese debian people just go out of their way to make things hard :)10:43
coNPI would want to wait.10:43
coNPBut we have a freeze next week :)10:43
whiteah did not know that10:43
whitecoNP: well is it smart to bring a new big package in, so close before a freeze?10:43
ajmitchit's hardly  a new package10:44
ajmitchcoNP: ubuntu changes are being dropped?10:44
ajmitchhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433788 <-- such a helpful changelog entry10:47
ubotuDebian bug 433788 in mediawiki1.10 "mediawiki1.10: The installation fails in the post-installation script" [Serious,Fixed]  10:47
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coNPWow. DSL again :(10:48
coNPNo, not dropped. Sent to the Debian maintainer.10:48
coNPajmitch: ^^10:48
ajmitchso they're not included in 3.4.4-1?10:48
coNPSo they *are*10:48
ajmitchok, so the delta is being dropped :)10:48
coNPAt least they are supposed to be.10:48
coNPI want to check.10:49
coNPTherefore I asked if I can get the package.10:49
coNPI wanted to merge an earlier version, but Hobbsee said let's put the delta to Debian so that it disappears10:49
rglare the packages maintained in CVS/Subversion/Whatever?10:50
pygitedp, synced :)10:51
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coNPCan a core-dev please review a/o sponsor my magyarispell update package (Hungarian spell checker 0.99 -> 1.2)? It has been put to http://www.inf.bme.hu/~aron/ubuntu/magyarispell_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc (for the time REVU is down). It has also been reviewed and advocated by persia but the we found out that it is a main package so I need a core dev sponsor.11:11
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norsettoAnyone would disagree me working on bug 131325?11:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13132511:28
ajmitchI don't think we'll complain a lot11:29
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ajmitchthough it's not a particularly old version that we have11:29
norsettoajmitch: thats correct11:29
ajmitchFujitsu: loaded seb128 with enough sync requests yet?11:29
Fujitsuajmitch: Only a few. I'll do more after dinner.11:30
norsettoajmitch: perhaps you have something else to keep me busy?11:30
ajmitchnah, go ahead with conky11:30
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FujitsuOnly 14 so far :(11:31
norsettook, will do, thanks11:31
ajmitchthough I'd better have some dinner11:31
ajmitchuw-imap, I'd rather file a removal request for that11:31
ajmitchfix is only in experimental, too11:32
FujitsuOh, fun.11:32
ajmitchthe bug is only that it has some RFCs11:32
ajmitchmm, fam11:33
Fujitsuajmitch: How often does that list get updated?11:33
Fujitsu(wondering when all the synced stuff will vanish)11:33
ajmitchevery 12 hours, iirc11:33
ajmitchor whenever I feel like running the script11:33
FujitsuMight be nice to poke it at 20:40 or so.11:34
ajmitcha bunch of sync requests were processed?11:34
Fujitsuajmitch: Yep, seb128 is doing them all now.11:34
FujitsuMost of mine are done.11:34
ajmitch:0:> at 11pm11:34
ajmitchwarning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh11:34
ajmitchat> /home/ajmitch/debian/ubuntu/scripts/bugs.sh11:34
ajmitchat> <EOT>11:34
ajmitchjob 3 at Fri Aug 10 23:00:00 200711:34
ajmitchI lied about every 12 hours, it's every 24h at 2am11:35
AndyPmorning folks11:35
Fujitsuajmitch: Ah, thanks.11:36
FujitsuHi AndyP.11:36
ajmitchFujitsu: problem is that these comments don't expire11:37
ajmitchso next time the same package has a problem, the old comments will resurface11:37
Fujitsuajmitch: I was wondering if that was handled.11:37
FujitsuThat sounds suboptimal.11:37
ajmitchcomments are tied to packages, not to bugs11:37
FujitsuWhy not store them per-bug, rather than per-packagE?11:37
ajmitchbecause I didn't feel like doing it that way at the time :)11:37
FujitsuHeh, OK.11:37
ajmitchthough it wouldn't be hard to change11:37
ajmitchmaybe 10 minutes11:38
FujitsuThat would probably be good.11:38
FujitsuWhen you have the time, that is.11:38
pygisiretart, !11:38
ajmitchhm, maybe a little longer11:38
ajmitchI may look at it tomorrow if I have time11:39
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martosshi there12:10
martossis there sth like a fakeroot or so i can use in debian/control ?12:10
TheMusogrrr. Mutt on my notebook is not picking up new email in my mail boxes.12:11
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martossi am trying to package an ugly proprietary package.12:11
Fujitsumartoss: You need to modify the installation scripts.12:11
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stgrabererk, has anyone already see that : E: Type 'deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list12:12
stgraberthis is a pbuilder error I have with RainCT script ...12:12
stgraber(when pbuilder creating)12:12
siretartpygi: ?12:13
pygisiretart, multisession support, reading support, iso tree modification support, etc, etc12:13
siretartpygi: :)12:14
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pygiby far the best implementation of that features FOSS world has ever seen, siretart ;)12:14
TheMusopygi: Sounds awesome.12:15
pygiTheMuso, it *IS* awesome :)12:15
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TheMusoIs gnome et al using libburn yet?12:16
pygisiretart, seems also we've got our first real contributor there, wohoooo :)12:16
pygiTheMuso, not really12:16
siretartpygi: who is it?12:16
pygibut they will, have patience12:16
pygisiretart, some folk who initially wrote java bindings12:16
pygihe wrote some libisofs code (for multisesion part), he now knows the codebase12:17
siretartwhat's his name?12:17
pygiTheMuso, they don't have much choice ... :)12:17
ajmitchhey siretart 12:17
TheMusopygi: Right.12:17
TheMusohmmm. I think mutt is not finding my mail because of the stupid indexer...12:18
=== Fujitsu wonders what fujistu is going to think when he sees 9 accepted emails.
pygiTheMuso, you should use puddle :)12:18
=== pygi now hides before TheMuso asks what that is :P
TheMusowhat is puddle?12:18
ajmitchTheMuso: set check_mbox_size12:18
=== pygi knew TheMuso will ask that xD
TheMusoajmitch: Ok will do, thanks.12:19
ajmitchTheMuso: mutt usually relies on file atime, which tracker screws up12:19
pygiTheMuso, it's a CLI mail app based on tinymail :)12:19
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siretarthey ajmitch !12:19
TheMusoajmitch: Yeah I know.12:19
TheMusoajmitch: You're a life saver. I owe you one.12:21
TheMusopygi: I will stick with mutt as long as I live.12:21
TheMusoIt took a while to configure to my liking, and I am not going to throw that away.12:22
pygiTheMuso, that's bad :)12:24
TheMusopygi: In your opinion. :)12:25
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pygiTheMuso, right ^_^12:26
pygisiretart, well, back to new victories12:26
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martosswhy is a "cd src" not changing the directory in the rules file?12:32
martossis each line executed in a new shell?12:32
FujitsuIt's a Makefile, so I believe so.12:36
Fujitsumartoss: ^^12:36
martosshmm, ok its now in the right directory but not working as expected :-(12:36
martossits properly installing the menu entry and the docs but nothing else12:37
martossand modifying the "install scripts" is not an option, so I guess i have to live with checkinstall.12:38
gesermartoss: why is modifying the install scripts not an option?12:39
martossok, the program is called vmd, a molecular viewer.12:40
martossthey ship it with a ./configure script which generates a Makefile in the src directory.12:40
martossboth of them. ./configure and make do not behave like "standard ones" at all, so no prefix= and so on.12:41
martossif i modify the install script (./configure) i have to mess with it at every update.12:41
halcyonCorsairi'm having a problem with start-stop-daemon seemingly not passing arguments correctly, can anyone help?12:43
geseror you could try to convince upstream to use a "standard" configure script or at least add some options to configure the prefix, etc.12:43
martossgeser, yep, tried that already with a similar package.12:45
martossbasically the suggestion is always to "just use" the provided installation scripts.12:46
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Kmosseb128 re-subscribed bug 129551 because it doesn't have comment: Ack'ed01:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129551 in watchdog "Please sync watchdog (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12955101:01
Kmosre-subscribed to U-U-S01:01
white!info viewvc gutsy01:09
ubotuPackage viewvc does not exist in gutsy01:09
white!info viewcvs gutsy01:09
ubotuviewcvs: view CVS Repositories via HTTP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2+cvs.1.0.dev.2004.07.28-4.1 (gutsy), package size 326 kB, installed size 1436 kB01:09
whitesomeone wants to upgrade that (and maybe fix the damn version in sid and check the patch there :) )01:09
white!info backup-manager gutsy01:10
ubotubackup-manager: command-line backup tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-1 (gutsy), package size 111 kB, installed size 604 kB01:10
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white!info poppler-utils sid01:10
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whitepff takes ages ...01:11
ajmitchFujitsu: right, the list is cleared of most sync requests now01:11
Fujitsuajmitch: Great, thanks.01:12
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ajmitchpykerberos sounds interesting01:13
ajmitchseems like it's considered api stable01:15
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=== TheMuso attempts to adjust to a new workflow.,
ajmitchTheMuso: which one is that?01:15
TheMusoajmitch: I am running gutsy, which means no speakup, so I have to use GUi entirely.01:16
Kmoscan someone add a comment "acked" to bug 129551 because it doesn't have it and seb128 re-subscribed it to U-U-S01:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129551 in watchdog "Please sync watchdog (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12955101:16
Kmosit's already triaged by hoora_ 01:16
KmosHobbsee: 01:16
TheMusoajmitch: Its probably for the best longterm anyway.01:16
ajmitchTheMuso: why?01:16
TheMusoajmitch: Speakup as far as code goes is... well.. words cannot describe the horror that it is.01:17
TheMusoAnd, text mode browsers are not cutting it as well on the web any more, particularly elinks with launchpad.01:17
ajmitchhow useful is having only the gui for you?01:17
HobbseeScottK: posting on the forums hey?01:18
TheMusoajmitch: Well its not too bad. It certainly means the gnome a11y will get a more thorough test and bug reporting.01:18
TheMusoAnd if things die, I can still recover gracefully, due to having some sight.01:18
ajmitchhalcyonCorsair: still having issues?01:18
halcyonCorsairajmitch: yeah, damn wabbits01:19
AmaranthHobbsee: Is there some KDE4 metapackage I can install? Want to try it out01:19
HobbseeAmaranth: kde4base, iirc01:19
TheMusouuajAnd I have wanted to move this way for ages, because like you others, I actually do appreciate looking at a deacent screen, and not having text only staring back at me.01:19
halcyonCorsairajmitch: i think it turns out to be because the author of the program i'm writing the init-script for uses "s for an argument.....like so:01:20
halcyonCorsairajmitch: /usr/local/sbin/vgate-capture eth2 vlan "ip and net and not net"01:20
ajmitchah, that'll make things fun01:20
AmaranthHobbsee: That will install everything I need to pick 'KDE4' from gdm and login? :)01:20
ajmitchso you need to try & quote things in exactly the right manner01:20
HobbseeAmaranth: unsure, check kubuntu.org01:20
Amaranththe beta is already packaged, right?01:21
halcyonCorsairyeah....and bash ISN'T exactly cooperating....and probably fair enough01:21
HobbseeAmaranth: yes01:21
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AmaranthFrom what I've read kwin does things compiz could never hope to01:23
Amaranthmostly gracefully scale from texture_from_pixmap to copy rendering to software rendering01:24
white!info apache2 gutsy01:24
ubotuapache2: Next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-3 (gutsy), package size 40 kB, installed size 92 kB01:24
ajmitchwhite: more security fun?01:25
whiteajmitch: always :) 01:25
whiteapache2 is on my list, because testing is not yet fixed, unstable is though01:25
TheMusoAh that reminds me. I should test accessibility with compiz, not that it will result in much I fear.01:27
TheMusoAccessibility plus compiz seem slike an oximoron.01:28
TheMusoto me anyway.01:28
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whiteajmitch: you might want to sync backup-manager and viewvc from unstable though 01:33
whiteajmitch: and maybe incorporate the NMU for poppler or just sync it once it shows up01:33
ajmitchbackup-manager just looks to be a path change for docs01:34
ajmitchunless it hasn't hit the PTS yet01:34
whiteajmitch: it now uses a CONF file to do the ugly sql magic, instead of using the sql pw with the comand line01:35
ajmitch    viewvc |    1.0.3-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources viewvc |    1.0.3-2 | http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Sources01:35
ajmitchviewvc is already the same version according to what I can see locally01:35
whiteah ok, my fault01:36
ajmitchwhat was the reason for either of those?01:36
martossif i wanna suggest some changes (enabling features) on a package in universe, what's the best way to do this? file a bug report with patch?01:36
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ajmitchmartoss: generally yes01:36
whiteajmitch: bah that was in -1 which is already in gutsy01:37
ajmitchthough there are a lot of packages, so someone may not see the patch01:37
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whiteseems i am not totally awake01:37
white!info poppler-utils gutsy01:37
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white!info poppler-utils sid01:37
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whitehmm the fix is probably present, so it would be worthwile checking01:38
white0.5.4-6.1 will have it in01:38
ajmitchit's in main, too01:38
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martossSo, is it then better to get involved somehow myself?01:38
ajmitchmaybe seb128 or pitti would know about it01:38
whitesomeone should check, that the patch from 3.02-1.1 is in 3.02-1.1ubuntu101:39
ajmitchit ought to be, given the version :)01:39
whitebut it probably is according to the version number01:39
whitehmm seems someone is reading the stuff i was posting here and does the syncs, nice :)01:40
ajmitchthat's what we do01:40
whiteawesome :)01:40
ajmitchmartoss: either that, or the change *may* be best done in debian01:40
martossok, thx01:40
whiteajmitch: do you already know about your flight and stuff, btw?01:40
ajmitchwhite: nope, and they're expensive for sept01:41
ajmitchseems that I have to plan at least 2 months out01:41
whiteajmitch: we might have a BSP on the 22nd of sept01:41
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ajmitchright, I won't be there for that01:41
ajmitchseems now that I could be there near end of oct01:42
ajmitchif I was to visit in sept, it'd have to be in the 1st 2 weeks, and there are no cheap flights then, and there's something I want to do there in late october01:43
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elmargolany infos why revu is down?01:49
Hobbseeelmargol: see the locoteams mailing list01:49
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elmargolHobbsee: ubunru-motu?01:52
coNPKmos: sorry, why did you edit status of bug 119796?01:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please merge openbox 3.4.2-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11979601:52
FujitsuThe loco-contacts mailing list.01:52
coNPIt is a bug assigned to me.01:53
white!info linux-2.6 gutsy01:53
ubotuPackage linux-2.6 does not exist in gutsy01:53
coNPI try to handle it to my best.01:53
Fujitsuwhite: Our kernels are entirely separate.01:53
coNPIt is very annoying that someone changes its state "just because"... please at least write some explanation.01:53
whiteFujitsu: aren't they being maintained within alioth somewhere together with the debian team?01:53
Fujitsuwhite: I don't believe so... it's all in Ubuntu git.01:54
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zul__white: you want linux-source-2.6.22 linux-2.6 is debian01:56
whitedoesn't matter, it was just popping up here, because it is stacked in unstable :/01:56
elmargolI can't find any informations about tauware on the locu mailinglist01:58
Fujitsuelmargol: The mail about the servers being moved. The last couple of emails, I think.01:58
elmargolahh ok i did read this email01:58
Fujitsutiber is the server in quetion.01:58
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martosswhere can i find infos about macros in debian/rules files? e.g. to determine python version?02:03
StevenKmartoss: man pyversions02:04
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gesermartoss: if you want to package a python software, please also read the Debian python policy (if not already done)02:05
xxxxx1morning people!02:05
martossah ok... 02:05
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elmargolFujitsu: some time ago i asked you about the gnunet packages. i invested some time an did the packaging. Who can I ask for a review?02:09
elmargolSince revu is down I can't ask there02:09
elmargolbug #13066602:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130666 in gnunet "New GNUnet-0.7.2b version available" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13066602:14
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ScottKHobbsee: Only a little.02:24
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ScottKGood morning all.02:24
geserHi ScottK02:25
ScottKHello geser, white.02:26
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coNPhey ScottK 02:27
ScottKHello coNP.  Congrats again on your first security upload.  02:27
ScottKThat's pretty much how they go.02:27
coNPAnd thanks for mentoring.02:27
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coNPIt is more easier than it seemed at first sight.02:28
ScottKNo problem.  The more of us who can do it, the better.02:28
xxxxx1morning ScottK 02:28
ScottKGood morning xxxxx1.02:29
coNPCool. I got the source packages now.02:29
xxxxx1you're on u-u-s today? :)02:29
elmargolScottK: Had you time to review my package?02:30
ScottKNo I haven't.  I'm unlikely to have much reviewing time before tomorrow at the earliest.02:30
Hobbseeyes, make ScottK do it all :P02:30
elmargolWell i can't review my own package :D02:31
coNPHobbsee: now that openbox Dev Maintainer has incorporated my patch what should I do with Openbox? Is it okay to modify the original sync / merge request?02:31
ScottKelmargol: You've just kind of hit us at a bad time for reviewing.02:31
HobbseecoNP: yeah, that works02:31
coNPCool, thanks :)02:31
HobbseecoNP: although i think Kmos played with it, and it got marked as fix released.  whichever.02:31
HobbseecoNP: when does your MOTU app go thru?02:32
coNPI asked him not to do that.02:32
elmargolwell if we wait to long it is to late :(02:32
elmargoland since the current version doesn't even work...02:32
ScottKelmargol: Understand, but also please understand that everyone here is a volunteer.02:32
coNPEspecially since (1) it was assigned to me (2) I was working on it indeed (at least bugged the Debian Maintainer) 02:32
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FujitsuIf it doesn't work, a UVFe should be trivial.02:32
ScottKelmargol: Particularly early on freeze exceptions aren't that hard to get.02:33
coNPHobbsee: crimsun 's opinion / ACK is missing. But some people got through it with 4 ACKs as well.02:33
HobbseecoNP: i dont think crimsun's around.02:33
=== coNP goes on holiday for a week. I hope arriving back as a MOTU :D
ScottKcrimsun started his new job, so I don't expect him around a whole lot.02:34
Hobbseedoes MOTU require a TB interview?02:34
FujitsuIsn't crimsun going to be entirely missing for some time?02:34
Hobbseei dont remember02:34
FujitsuHobbsee: Not any more02:34
HobbseeFujitsu: oh, neat02:34
FujitsuUsed to, but then MOTU Council sprung into existence.02:34
Hobbseealthough my MOTU app was kinda fun02:34
coNPHobbsee: why?02:34
HobbseecoNP: was just curious02:34
coNPI was not sure if he is around BTW, only checked who is the fifth MOTU council member.02:35
coNPHobbsee: I asked why your MOTU app was kinda fun  :)02:35
HobbseecoNP: ahhh.  because i had a lot of supporters02:35
coNPHmm. What to do with Openbox? If I wait till packages appear in unstable I miss feature freeze.02:36
elmargolHow can I create a repository for my package?02:36
coNPBut I was told we cannot sync from -NEW. However I got the packages and pbuilder says they are allright :)02:36
HobbseecoNP: feature freeze?  the one you care about is UVF02:36
coNPOh, sure. It is later I guess02:37
=== Hobbsee would accept a UVFe for that, too
coNPMaybe Kmos will edit the sync request anyway if the package appears in Debian.02:37
HobbseecoNP: it's your original bug.  you may as well do it02:38
HobbseeFujitsu: it must be my turn to go missing, then.02:38
FujitsuHobbsee: Aw, why?02:39
xxxxx1elmargol, i can help you. open a query02:39
HobbseeFujitsu: because bdmurray is back02:39
Hobbseeoh, sorry, bddebian02:40
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xxxxx1ScottK, can you take a look at bug #66940 today?02:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 66940 in psi "Psi version string presents as "Debian testing/unstable" on Dapper" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6694002:48
ScottKxxxxx1: Is there a particular urgency for this?02:48
ScottKAs long as UUS is subscribed, then I wouldn't worry about hunting up sponsors.02:49
ScottKThe UUS queue gets cleared relatively regularly.02:49
xxxxx1ok :)02:49
ScottKAlso, as this is a bug fix, we have a LONG time to get it done before release.02:49
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=== coNP leaves on holidays now. Bye everyone.
ScottKBye coNP03:40
xxxxx1bye coNP 03:40
white!info bugzilla gutsy03:41
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whitethere is a 2.22.1-2.1 coming in, which should be synced :)03:41
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geserRAOF: have you talked to mvo about the debdiff in bug #131035?04:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131035 in compizconfig-python "Doesn't depend on python, ships .a and .la files" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13103504:03
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whiteanyone here some time and interested in php?04:04
whitejust having a look through lwat (and maybe looking for some vulnerabilities) would be helpful04:04
white!info lwat gutsy04:06
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sommerah...by look for vulnerabilities you mean in the PHP code itself?  Or there's a package update available?04:07
whitesommer: php code itself04:07
whitesommer: it came on my radar for one problem, but i would like to have someone else to look over it and check for more stuff04:07
whitesommer: that can give you some hints as well (but do not rely on it, it is not always accurate) 04:08
whitesommer: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/lina/rats/lwat.rats04:08
sommeris there a home page for lwat?  04:10
sommerI'm pretty new to PHP, but I'm interested in a web based LDAP tool.04:10
whitesommer: http://bzz.no/lwat/04:11
sommerwhite: thanks04:12
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geserwhite: bug #13156004:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131560 in bugzilla "[Sync request]  Sync bugzilla (2.22.1-2.1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13156004:27
whitegeser: thanks :)04:34
whitegeser: i do not know about ubuntu severities. The fix is for a security bug, although not a big security issue04:35
geserwhite: I doubt that a sync request will be proceed faster with a higher severity04:50
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geserHi bddebian04:52
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bddebianHeya gang04:56
bddebianHi geser04:56
xxxxx1hello bddebian04:57
bddebianHeya xxxxx104:58
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kdub432does anyone know anything about  flash package problems for for edgy?05:40
kdub432in particular, the package doesnt seem to actually do anything...05:44
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davromaniakGood evening all06:10
davromaniakI would know if there's any MOTU awake here, :)06:10
ScottKSure.  At least one.06:12
bddebianWell awake is a relative term :-)06:14
davromaniakI'm finishing the packaging of qtpfsgui, and I would if any MOTU can take a look at it in a few minutes when I will dput it in REVU06:15
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bddebiandavromaniak: REVU is down for several days.  See /topic :-(06:16
davromaniakoops, soory06:16
davromaniakbeing a sysadmin makes me very tired06:17
bddebianI hear ya06:17
davromaniaknobody knows when REVU will be up again ?06:18
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ScottKIt's being migrated to new hardware.06:19
ScottKSoonish is all I've heard.06:19
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ScottKIf you put the package up somewhere where people can dget it, put a link to it in an LP needs-packaging bug, and subscribe UUS, then there's no need to wait.06:21
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davromaniakhttp://perth.davromaniak.eu/qtpfsgui/ <== ScottK or bddebian please06:27
ScottKIs there a bug for us to put comments on?06:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 106239 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  qtpfsgui" [Wishlist,In progress]  06:28
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ScottKI didn't see your orig.tar.gz up there.  Please upload that too.06:28
davromaniakoops, sorry06:29
davromaniakhmm, what is UUS ?06:30
bddebianUbuntu Universe Sponsors06:30
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davromaniakI think there's some problems in the debian/rules06:35
ScottKdavromaniak: I'd suggest add a comment to the bug so reviewers will know to focus on that.06:38
davromaniakthank you adding it06:39
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guardianplease, is there a way to ignore errors from postinst script ?06:47
guardiani'm doing kill - SIGHUP `pidof foo`06:48
guardianbut some process depends on each other06:48
guardianso in the end, i'm getting "no such process" error for one of the process returned by pidof06:48
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Skiessixmoto 0.3.2 has been out for a while :P07:59
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ScottKSkiessi: Is it in Debian yet?08:01
Skiessidebian repository? dunno08:02
ScottKIf it's there, we can probabyl easily sync it into Ubuntu.08:02
Skiessinah :/08:04
Skiessihttp://download.tuxfamily.org/xmoto/xmoto/0.3.2/xmoto-0.3.2-src.tar.gz but here's the source if someone is bored enough08:05
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ScottKWell maybe you'll get bored before someone else does ...08:17
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SniperBeameri don't think that updating the package is a big problem08:32
SniperBeamerthe real problem is getting the package maintainer to update it08:33
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ScottKSniperBeamer: Who is the package maintainer?09:02
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jeromegcan someone review my upgrade for dvgrab : http://vv.guelf.free.fr/ubuntu/ ?09:07
jeromegi put it here cause revu is down09:07
=== norsetto doesn't think it is worth updating xmoto
jeromeganyone please ?09:12
norsettojeromeg: I think it is advisable to insert the link in the bug report too09:15
jeromegnorsetto : well I wanted to be sure that the package is clean before doing so09:17
norsettojeromeg: yes, thats why you should use the link there09:18
jeromegnorsetto: ok09:21
jeromegnorsetto : and I suscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?09:21
norsettojeromeg: if the package is in universe, yes09:23
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superm1_hey bddebian i forgot to catch up with you the other day after work, can you do the upload for mythbuntu-lirc-generator's new version today?09:53
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AndyPbddebian: :-)09:57
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pygihey jdong !10:01
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AndyPthere's a stray config.log in a debian package, that means it wasn't removed in debian/rules clean, right?10:26
minghuaAndyP: Yes.  Usually it should be removed by "make distclean".10:27
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AndyPminghua: ok, maybe i'll fix that when i merge the other bits then10:28
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