=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU likely down for the next few days === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Fujitsu at Wed Aug 8 04:01:59 2007 [07:57] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hello === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-81-173-170-109.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] Hello ajmitch :) [08:00] ajmitch: an ubuntu motu, huh? i still stick by what i said in tele301, gentoo is way better ;P [08:00] halcyonCorsair: ok, if so, why are you here? :) [08:01] ajmitch: because i have a big stick, and i like to stir things? .... no, its because i was having trouble writing an init-script for ubuntu [08:02] heh :) [08:02] OOOO/quit [08:02] tried using #!/bin/bash ? [08:03] hey! good idea, i just had #!/bin/gcc at the top ;P [08:04] some things never change, do they [08:05] halcyonCorsair: Surely #!/usr/bin/gcc -O7 -funroll-all-loops .... :-) [08:08] StevenK: well, i considered it, but i decided to optimise out all that extra typing :) [08:08] StevenK: that's not nearly long enough [08:08] not optimised enough [08:09] my CFLAGS were like 4 or 5 lines long when I ran Gentoo [08:09] LaserJock: Agreed. I ran out of GCC optimiser flags that I could remember. [08:09] then you saw the light [08:09] I spent like 1-2 days letting this cool app optimize my flags, just for the heck of it [08:09] Now the 4 or 5 line CFLAGS are in all of the motu science packages .... === StevenK ducks. [08:10] then spent 2+ days compiling KDE [08:10] StevenK: mwhahahaha, you know it ;-) [08:10] Good night all. I'm out of steam. [08:10] Night ScottK === tudenbart is now known as dothebart [08:15] interesting...I had an app FTBS earlier today, but in the PPA, it builds fine now...it was due to broken deps on kdelibs4-dev at the time...so in order to fix the breakage earlier, how do I go about doing that? [08:17] nixternal: beg an archive admin for a giveback? [08:17] hehe === nixternal does just that then [08:18] So, I've got a couple of "waiting on Debian" packages queued up: miro & deluge-torrent. [08:19] With UVF fast approaching, what's the right approach? Wait for debian, and ask for a UVFe? [08:20] Or just package the new upstreams, and sync in Gutsy+1? [08:21] and that archive admin has now been bugged :) [08:21] wait & ask & sync === guardian_ [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] depends on how long you expect to wait for debian === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] So, deluge-torrent has an active maintainer, and the upgrade is simple. That shouldn't be too long. [08:23] is it possible to pass CFLAGS as command line when launching dpkg-buildpackage ? [08:23] Miro, sadly, is a different matter. The maintainer's active, but libboost-python is broken in Sid. And will be until (1) they do the python2.5 transition or (2) Someone makes libboost build against all supported pyversions [08:24] guardian: Kinda, but generally no. [08:24] i have an arch independant package [08:24] i have an arch independant source package === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] however, i would like to use very special CFLAGS to build for the nokia n800 internet tablet [08:25] The democracy/miro maintainer assures me he's working on a package, but I haven't heard from him in a bit. [08:25] guardian: debian/rules is your friend, or should be. === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] guardian: If you're building *on* an n800, that should be easy, just detect the arch and set CFLAGS appropriately. [08:27] guardian: If you're cross-compiling, then debian/rules is still what you're after, but I've no experience. [08:27] ok === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] RAOF: I'm quite familiar whit the miro packages [08:34] elmargol: Oh, cool? [08:34] had someone time to review my gnunet packages? [08:35] RAOF: I was involved in the democracy -> miro migration (with upstream) [08:35] elmargol: Ah, awesome. Know anything about the gstreamer backend? [08:36] http://www.kitterman.com/test/gnunet_0.7.2b-0ubuntu1.dsc <- [08:36] RAOF: gstreamer works but xine is more tested atm [08:36] elmargol: Is that the gnu CIL runtime? [08:36] CIL? [08:36] Common Intermediate Language. mono & .NET implement it. [08:37] No, it is an anonymous p2p framework [08:37] Heh. [08:37] Like freenet or MUTE [08:37] no, the gnu CIL runtime is dotgnu portable.net === RAOF stands corrected. === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] which really needs updated in debian & fixed up [08:38] gnunet is atm broken on every debian bases distro [08:38] elmargol: Anyway, I'd like to migrate the Ubuntu packages to the gstreamer backend if at all possible. Are you still in contact with upstream? [08:38] RAOF: gstreamer is already in place. You only have to set a gconf entry [08:39] elmargol: Yes, I know. Well, and revert a patch that removes the option, 'cause it segfaults when more than one output is available :) [08:39] RAOF: /join #miro === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] elmargol: Aw, make me do work? :P === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-106.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] !info poppler sid [08:59] Package poppler does not exist in sid [08:59] ubotu: stupid thing, learn source packages [08:59] Hah [08:59] !info puppler-utils sid [08:59] Package puppler-utils does not exist in sid [08:59] !info poppler-utils sid [08:59] poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-6 (sid), package size 100 kB, installed size 276 kB [08:59] white: poppler | 0.5.4-6 | unstable | source [09:00] StevenK: nope, 0.5.4-6.1 (once that NMU shows up) [09:00] !info poppler-utils gutsy [09:00] poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.9-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 110 kB, installed size 296 kB === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@159-208.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] hmm 0.5.9 probably includes the security patch [09:01] white: That's based on rmadison -s unstable poppler [09:01] StevenK: well i normally use dak ls (which is new madison) on merkel.debian.org :) [09:01] dak ls *is* madison [09:02] StevenK: i wish the girls would come back [09:03] When dak was still on auric (geez, that was a while ago), I had a jennifer wrapper in my ~/bin [09:03] StevenK: if we have to upgrade the dak for debian-edu, i will have aliases === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] Hobbsee! [09:09] heya TheMuso [09:10] oh, MOTU meeting must have been hours ago [09:10] About 2:30 or so === Hobbsee reads backscroll [09:15] Hobbsee: you look like you want to fix a segfault bug on amd64 :) [09:15] Na, amd64 is my thing. [09:16] debian bug #423606 [09:16] Debian bug 423606 in k3dsurf "segmentation fault of k3dsurf on start up" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/423606 [09:16] RAOF: there you go === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:17] That looks like KDE. I retract my amd64 prowess :) === RAOF adds "fix apt-proxy" to his TODO, and goes off to not think. [09:18] Hah, apt-proxy can't be fixed. [09:18] ok, whoever works on that debian bug, i will be grateful ;) [09:18] StevenK: Well, it can have a 1 line patch applied, which allows it to *start* at least :P === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] Is LP being incredibly slow for anyone else tonight? [09:34] heh [09:34] no, it's fine here [09:34] you just filed a sync request at the same time I did [09:35] bug 131473, 131474 [09:35] Launchpad bug 131473 in libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl "Please sync libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131473 [09:35] Launchpad bug 131474 in libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl "Please sync libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131474 [09:35] Ouch. That package name sucks. === StevenK runs off home. [09:35] no kidding [09:35] that's probably why we both synced it [09:35] makes the rc bug list too wide === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-0fa268992ed36304] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:37] Hah, so I did. [09:37] ajmitch: That's why I attacked it, yep. [09:37] I was annoyed that I couldn't see the comments :( === ajmitch is test building gmod & gem to sync them === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu is looking at camstream and flim === coNP [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] hello. [09:38] Hm, I think LP is infinitely redirecting https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flim/1:1.14.8+0.20061220-1 [09:38] Can somebody else try that, please? [09:38] wnyone running latest clamav 0.91.1 on dapper? [09:39] Fujitsu: broken for me [09:39] ajmitch: It works without distros/... fix it kthxbye. [09:39] Fujitsu: probably the 'distros' part in the URL === Fujitsu files a bug. [09:39] gmod == suck [09:39] Hah. [09:39] dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386) [09:39] dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280 [09:39] Bwahaha. [09:41] ok, changed the bug list [09:42] ajmitch: Danke. [09:43] I need to change the url bits [09:43] .dsc files don't have the epoch [09:44] Speaking of epochs... they cause the eternal redirection. [09:44] no surprise [09:45] probably for the same reason [09:46] Why aren't epochs in filenames? Isn't it only Windows that has a fit with them? [09:47] no idea === Hobbsee attempts to read the meeting log, and notes it would be easier if her connection didnt keep dropping out! === ajmitch shouldn't touch gem, though it should be remerged by StevenK [09:48] bah. speak of the devil. [09:49] hello Hobbsee [09:49] at least it only drops the ssh connection now... === TheMuso forgot about the meeting. What happened? [09:50] And I was in transit somewhere else anyway... [09:50] mostly just discussion about qa & policies for new packages in gutsy+1 === Hobbsee was in uni prac === ajmitch took off from work early === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-246-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] Sounds lke I didn't really miss much. [09:58] nah [09:59] ajmitch: Would it be feasible to have a title attribute on the bug link with the summary? [09:59] maybe === Fujitsu adds a couple more faces to his cube. [10:00] I'll see what data I have access to at that point without having to rewrite it [10:01] It's not particularly important, but it'd be nice to have. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] white: i so dont. [10:09] avr-libc fails to build with the following error: tetex-bin(inst 2007-10 ! <= wanted 3.0-30)|texlive-extra-utils(missing) . it requires texlive (>= 2007-4), but we have 2007-12ubuntu1 . can it be caused by the order of the alternatives ? [10:11] Hobbsee: :/ [10:12] poor white === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-27-173.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] ajmitch: The Debian `Grab' link points to the fixed version, not the latest. Thus it often 404s. === dharrigan [n=david@host12.williamhill.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] Fujitsu: fixed [10:19] ajmitch: Thanks. === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:22] Fujitsu: removed the epoch from urls as well, check if they're all still valid [10:22] hm, no === ajmitch fixes [10:23] forgot to return [10:23] Hah. [10:24] getting None as a version in a url isn't helpful [10:25] Quite possibly nor. [10:25] *not === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch testbuilds boinc-app-seti [10:29] widest version field :) [10:29] I was about to look at that one. [10:29] previous change was just a rebuild === Fujitsu attacks haskell-src-exts [10:30] (longest Debian version) [10:30] Hm, VCS checkout. Maybe not. [10:30] then flim [10:30] I've already requested that, AFAICR. [10:30] ok [10:30] Hum, maybe not. === Fujitsu checks. [10:31] Looks like I didn't end up doing it for some reason. [10:31] Oh, right, got distracted by the redirections being stupid. [10:32] comment field is useful then? [10:33] Not in this case, is it? [10:33] in general [10:33] Ah, yes. === ajmitch needs a faster build box === Fujitsu grabs libmasonx-interp-withcallbacks-perl === Hobbsee grabs Fujitsu, and throws him out the window. === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] Yay, defenstration. [10:35] *defenestration === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:36] lucky seb128 [10:37] Hi everyone! [10:37] hello [10:37] hi [10:37] Fujitsu: yes, in a classic act of antidisestablishmentarianism. [10:38] Do you know where packages are that have been accepted in Debian but there are manual override issue because of new binary packages? [10:38] coNP: NEW ? [10:38] No, package updates with new binary packages (because of library soname changes) [10:39] coNP: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html [10:39] I wanted to sync openbox 3.4.4 but cannot find it neither on incoming.d.o nor at packages.d.o [10:39] still in NEW === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:39] coNP: new binary packages always go through NEW [10:39] Cool, thanks. Can someone file a sync request against these packages? [10:39] can't sync from NEW [10:40] coNP: NEW is not accessable [10:40] coNP: only for the ftp team (and some other groups) [10:40] I see. It was the very moment I wanted to ask where I can get the source :) [10:40] http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/07/27/firefox-to-support-scripting-with-ironpython-and-ironruby [10:40] interesting [10:41] I guess the ironpython package should be updated :) [10:41] coNP: ask the maintainer :) [10:41] Yes I guess this will be the case. [10:41] I want this package to get into Ubuntu before it gets frozen [10:41] coNP: which one? [10:42] Actually I wanted to have the this-0.0.2 release, but I was told to send my patches to Debian so that we can sync. [10:42] white: 3.4.4. [10:42] coNP: that is which $package? [10:42] Sorry, openbox. [10:43] coNP: see if they have it on alioth and maybe build it yourself there? [10:43] (Actually I have written that earlier :)) [10:43] coNP: although I would probably suggest waiting until it is in debian [10:43] these debian people just go out of their way to make things hard :) [10:43] I would want to wait. [10:43] But we have a freeze next week :) [10:43] IIRC [10:43] ah did not know that [10:43] coNP: well is it smart to bring a new big package in, so close before a freeze? [10:44] it's hardly a new package [10:44] coNP: ubuntu changes are being dropped? [10:47] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433788 <-- such a helpful changelog entry [10:47] Debian bug 433788 in mediawiki1.10 "mediawiki1.10: The installation fails in the post-installation script" [Serious,Fixed] === asisak [n=conp@unaffiliated/conp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] Wow. DSL again :( [10:48] No, not dropped. Sent to the Debian maintainer. [10:48] ajmitch: ^^ [10:48] so they're not included in 3.4.4-1? [10:48] So they *are* [10:48] ok, so the delta is being dropped :) [10:48] At least they are supposed to be. [10:49] I want to check. [10:49] Therefore I asked if I can get the package. [10:49] I wanted to merge an earlier version, but Hobbsee said let's put the delta to Debian so that it disappears [10:50] are the packages maintained in CVS/Subversion/Whatever? [10:51] tedp, synced :) === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LucidFox [n=sikon@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fred@88.141.166.185] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:11] Can a core-dev please review a/o sponsor my magyarispell update package (Hungarian spell checker 0.99 -> 1.2)? It has been put to http://www.inf.bme.hu/~aron/ubuntu/magyarispell_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc (for the time REVU is down). It has also been reviewed and advocated by persia but the we found out that it is a main package so I need a core dev sponsor. === rgl_ [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nrpil [n=nrpil@s5591f679.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host45-228-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] Anyone would disagree me working on bug 131325? [11:28] Launchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325 [11:29] I don't think we'll complain a lot === Fujitsu kicks and screams. [11:29] though it's not a particularly old version that we have [11:29] ajmitch: thats correct [11:29] Fujitsu: loaded seb128 with enough sync requests yet? [11:30] ajmitch: Only a few. I'll do more after dinner. [11:30] ajmitch: perhaps you have something else to keep me busy? [11:30] nah, go ahead with conky === ajmitch is just working through http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs/ [11:31] Only 14 so far :( [11:31] ok, will do, thanks [11:31] though I'd better have some dinner [11:31] uw-imap, I'd rather file a removal request for that [11:31] Hehehe. [11:32] fix is only in experimental, too [11:32] Oh, fun. [11:32] the bug is only that it has some RFCs [11:33] mm, fam [11:33] ajmitch: How often does that list get updated? [11:33] (wondering when all the synced stuff will vanish) [11:33] every 12 hours, iirc [11:33] OK. [11:33] or whenever I feel like running the script [11:34] Might be nice to poke it at 20:40 or so. [11:34] a bunch of sync requests were processed? [11:34] ajmitch: Yep, seb128 is doing them all now. [11:34] Most of mine are done. [11:34] ok [11:34] :0:> at 11pm [11:34] warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh [11:34] at> /home/ajmitch/debian/ubuntu/scripts/bugs.sh [11:34] at> [11:34] job 3 at Fri Aug 10 23:00:00 2007 [11:35] I lied about every 12 hours, it's every 24h at 2am [11:35] morning folks [11:36] hi [11:36] ajmitch: Ah, thanks. [11:36] Hi AndyP. [11:37] Fujitsu: problem is that these comments don't expire [11:37] so next time the same package has a problem, the old comments will resurface [11:37] ajmitch: I was wondering if that was handled. [11:37] That sounds suboptimal. [11:37] comments are tied to packages, not to bugs [11:37] Why not store them per-bug, rather than per-packagE? [11:37] because I didn't feel like doing it that way at the time :) [11:37] Heh, OK. [11:37] though it wouldn't be hard to change [11:38] maybe 10 minutes [11:38] That would probably be good. [11:38] When you have the time, that is. [11:38] siretart, ! [11:38] hm, maybe a little longer [11:39] I may look at it tomorrow if I have time [11:39] Thanks. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AndyP realises a meeting happened while he was asleep and reads the backscroll [11:58] Heh === rgl_ [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-27-173.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-105-6.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dthacker [n=dthacker@ip68-107-233-209.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Solarion [n=solarion@cruftix.physics.uiowa.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chninkel_ [n=yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LucidFox [n=sikon@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === martoss [n=martin@p54961349.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] hi there [12:10] is there sth like a fakeroot or so i can use in debian/control ? [12:11] grrr. Mutt on my notebook is not picking up new email in my mail boxes. === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] i am trying to package an ugly proprietary package. [12:11] martoss: You need to modify the installation scripts. === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-189-218.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] erk, has anyone already see that : E: Type 'deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list [12:12] this is a pbuilder error I have with RainCT script ... [12:12] (when pbuilder creating) [12:13] pygi: ? [12:13] siretart, multisession support, reading support, iso tree modification support, etc, etc [12:14] pygi: :) === azeem_ [n=mbanck@ppp-88-217-18-246.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] by far the best implementation of that features FOSS world has ever seen, siretart ;) [12:15] woohooo! [12:15] pygi: Sounds awesome. [12:15] TheMuso, it *IS* awesome :) === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.182] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] Is gnome et al using libburn yet? [12:16] siretart, seems also we've got our first real contributor there, wohoooo :) [12:16] TheMuso, not really [12:16] pygi: who is it? [12:16] but they will, have patience [12:16] siretart, some folk who initially wrote java bindings [12:17] he wrote some libisofs code (for multisesion part), he now knows the codebase [12:17] what's his name? [12:17] Vreixo [12:17] TheMuso, they don't have much choice ... :) [12:17] hey siretart [12:17] pygi: Right. [12:18] hmmm. I think mutt is not finding my mail because of the stupid indexer... === Fujitsu wonders what fujistu is going to think when he sees 9 accepted emails. [12:18] TheMuso, you should use puddle :) === pygi now hides before TheMuso asks what that is :P [12:18] what is puddle? [12:18] TheMuso: set check_mbox_size === pygi knew TheMuso will ask that xD [12:19] ajmitch: Ok will do, thanks. [12:19] TheMuso: mutt usually relies on file atime, which tracker screws up [12:19] TheMuso, it's a CLI mail app based on tinymail :) === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] hey ajmitch ! [12:19] ajmitch: Yeah I know. [12:21] ajmitch: You're a life saver. I owe you one. [12:21] np [12:21] pygi: I will stick with mutt as long as I live. [12:22] It took a while to configure to my liking, and I am not going to throw that away. [12:24] TheMuso, that's bad :) [12:25] pygi: In your opinion. :) === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@51.Red-83-38-36.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] TheMuso, right ^_^ [12:26] siretart, well, back to new victories === halcyonCorsair [n=halcyonC@203-97-105-19.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] why is a "cd src" not changing the directory in the rules file? [12:32] is each line executed in a new shell? [12:36] It's a Makefile, so I believe so. [12:36] martoss: ^^ [12:36] hmm, ok its now in the right directory but not working as expected :-( [12:37] its properly installing the menu entry and the docs but nothing else [12:38] and modifying the "install scripts" is not an option, so I guess i have to live with checkinstall. [12:39] martoss: why is modifying the install scripts not an option? [12:40] ok, the program is called vmd, a molecular viewer. [12:40] they ship it with a ./configure script which generates a Makefile in the src directory. [12:41] both of them. ./configure and make do not behave like "standard ones" at all, so no prefix= and so on. [12:41] if i modify the install script (./configure) i have to mess with it at every update. [12:43] i'm having a problem with start-stop-daemon seemingly not passing arguments correctly, can anyone help? [12:43] or you could try to convince upstream to use a "standard" configure script or at least add some options to configure the prefix, etc. [12:45] geser, yep, tried that already with a similar package. [12:46] basically the suggestion is always to "just use" the provided installation scripts. === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] seb128 re-subscribed bug 129551 because it doesn't have comment: Ack'ed [01:01] Launchpad bug 129551 in watchdog "Please sync watchdog (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129551 [01:01] re-subscribed to U-U-S [01:09] !info viewvc gutsy [01:09] Package viewvc does not exist in gutsy [01:09] !info viewcvs gutsy [01:09] viewcvs: view CVS Repositories via HTTP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2+cvs.1.0.dev.2004.07.28-4.1 (gutsy), package size 326 kB, installed size 1436 kB [01:09] someone wants to upgrade that (and maybe fix the damn version in sid and check the patch there :) ) [01:10] !info backup-manager gutsy [01:10] backup-manager: command-line backup tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-1 (gutsy), package size 111 kB, installed size 604 kB === _jason [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] !info poppler-utils sid [01:11] poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-6 (sid), package size 100 kB, installed size 276 kB [01:11] pff takes ages ... [01:11] Fujitsu: right, the list is cleared of most sync requests now [01:12] ajmitch: Great, thanks. === Fujitsu kills some more. [01:13] pykerberos sounds interesting [01:15] seems like it's considered api stable === ajmitch fetches [01:15] argh. === TheMuso attempts to adjust to a new workflow., [01:15] TheMuso: which one is that? [01:16] ajmitch: I am running gutsy, which means no speakup, so I have to use GUi entirely. [01:16] ouch [01:16] can someone add a comment "acked" to bug 129551 because it doesn't have it and seb128 re-subscribed it to U-U-S [01:16] Launchpad bug 129551 in watchdog "Please sync watchdog (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129551 [01:16] it's already triaged by hoora_ [01:16] Hobbsee: [01:16] :) [01:16] ajmitch: Its probably for the best longterm anyway. [01:16] TheMuso: why? [01:17] ajmitch: Speakup as far as code goes is... well.. words cannot describe the horror that it is. [01:17] heh [01:17] And, text mode browsers are not cutting it as well on the web any more, particularly elinks with launchpad. [01:17] how useful is having only the gui for you? [01:17] hmm [01:18] ScottK: posting on the forums hey? [01:18] ajmitch: Well its not too bad. It certainly means the gnome a11y will get a more thorough test and bug reporting. [01:18] And if things die, I can still recover gracefully, due to having some sight. [01:18] halcyonCorsair: still having issues? [01:19] ajmitch: yeah, damn wabbits [01:19] Hobbsee: Is there some KDE4 metapackage I can install? Want to try it out [01:19] Amaranth: kde4base, iirc [01:19] uuajAnd I have wanted to move this way for ages, because like you others, I actually do appreciate looking at a deacent screen, and not having text only staring back at me. [01:20] ajmitch: i think it turns out to be because the author of the program i'm writing the init-script for uses "s for an argument.....like so: [01:20] ajmitch: /usr/local/sbin/vgate-capture eth2 10.32.0.0 255.255.0.0 vlan "ip and net 10.32.0.0/16 and not net 192.168.10.0/24" [01:20] ah, that'll make things fun [01:20] Hobbsee: That will install everything I need to pick 'KDE4' from gdm and login? :) [01:20] so you need to try & quote things in exactly the right manner [01:20] Amaranth: unsure, check kubuntu.org [01:21] the beta is already packaged, right? [01:21] yeah....and bash ISN'T exactly cooperating....and probably fair enough [01:21] Amaranth: yes === Amaranth wants to play with kwin [01:23] From what I've read kwin does things compiz could never hope to [01:24] mostly gracefully scale from texture_from_pixmap to copy rendering to software rendering [01:24] !info apache2 gutsy [01:24] apache2: Next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-3 (gutsy), package size 40 kB, installed size 92 kB [01:25] white: more security fun? [01:25] ajmitch: always :) [01:25] apache2 is on my list, because testing is not yet fixed, unstable is though [01:27]