[07:57] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hello
[07:58] <DarkSun88> Hello ajmitch :)
[08:00] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: an ubuntu motu, huh? i still stick by what i said in tele301, gentoo is way better ;P
[08:00] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: ok, if so, why are you here? :)
[08:01] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: because i have a big stick, and i like to stir things? .... no, its because i was having trouble writing an init-script for ubuntu
[08:02] <ajmitch> heh :)
[08:02] <TheMuso> OOOO/quit
[08:02] <ajmitch> tried using #!/bin/bash ?
[08:03] <halcyonCorsair> hey! good idea, i just had #!/bin/gcc at the top ;P
[08:04] <ajmitch> some things never change, do they
[08:05] <StevenK> halcyonCorsair: Surely #!/usr/bin/gcc -O7 -funroll-all-loops .... :-)
[08:08] <halcyonCorsair> StevenK: well, i considered it, but i decided to optimise out all that extra typing :)
[08:08] <LaserJock> StevenK: that's not nearly long enough
[08:08] <ajmitch> not optimised enough
[08:09] <LaserJock> my CFLAGS were like 4 or 5 lines long when I ran Gentoo
[08:09] <StevenK> LaserJock: Agreed. I ran out of GCC optimiser flags that I could remember.
[08:09] <ajmitch> then you saw the light
[08:09] <LaserJock> I spent like 1-2 days letting this cool app optimize my flags, just for the heck of it
[08:09] <StevenK> Now the 4 or 5 line CFLAGS are in all of the motu science packages ....
[08:10] <LaserJock> then spent 2+ days compiling KDE
[08:10] <LaserJock> StevenK: mwhahahaha, you know it ;-)
[08:10] <ScottK> Good night all.  I'm out of steam.
[08:10] <StevenK> Night ScottK 
[08:15] <nixternal> interesting...I had an app FTBS earlier today, but in the PPA, it builds fine now...it was due to broken deps on kdelibs4-dev at the time...so in order to fix the breakage earlier, how do I go about doing that?
[08:17] <ajmitch> nixternal: beg an archive admin for a giveback?
[08:17] <nixternal> hehe
[08:18] <RAOF> So, I've got a couple of "waiting on Debian" packages queued up: miro & deluge-torrent.
[08:19] <RAOF> With UVF fast approaching, what's the right approach?  Wait for debian, and ask for a UVFe?
[08:20] <RAOF> Or just package the new upstreams, and sync in Gutsy+1?
[08:21] <nixternal> and that archive admin has now been bugged :)
[08:21] <ajmitch> wait & ask & sync
[08:22] <ajmitch> depends on how long you expect to wait for debian
[08:22] <RAOF> So, deluge-torrent has an active maintainer, and the upgrade is simple.  That shouldn't be too long.
[08:23] <guardian_> is it possible to pass CFLAGS as command line when launching dpkg-buildpackage ?
[08:23] <RAOF> Miro, sadly, is a different matter.  The maintainer's active, but libboost-python is broken in Sid.  And will be until (1) they do the python2.5 transition or (2) Someone makes libboost build against all supported pyversions
[08:24] <RAOF> guardian: Kinda, but generally no.
[08:24] <guardian> i have an arch independant package
[08:24] <guardian> i have an arch independant source package
[08:25] <guardian> however, i would like to use very special CFLAGS to build for the nokia n800 internet tablet
[08:25] <RAOF> The democracy/miro maintainer assures me he's working on a package, but I haven't heard from him in a bit.
[08:25] <RAOF> guardian: debian/rules is your friend, or should be.
[08:26] <RAOF> guardian: If you're building *on* an n800, that should be easy, just detect the arch and set CFLAGS appropriately.
[08:27] <RAOF> guardian: If you're cross-compiling, then debian/rules is still what you're after, but I've no experience.
[08:27] <guardian> ok
[08:33] <elmargol> RAOF: I'm quite familiar whit the miro packages
[08:34] <RAOF> elmargol: Oh, cool?
[08:34] <elmargol> had someone time to review my gnunet packages?
[08:35] <elmargol> RAOF: I was involved in the democracy -> miro migration (with upstream)
[08:35] <RAOF> elmargol: Ah, awesome.  Know anything about the gstreamer backend?
[08:36] <elmargol> http://www.kitterman.com/test/gnunet_0.7.2b-0ubuntu1.dsc <-
[08:36] <elmargol> RAOF: gstreamer works but xine is more tested atm
[08:36] <RAOF> elmargol: Is that the gnu CIL runtime?
[08:36] <elmargol> CIL?
[08:36] <RAOF> Common Intermediate Language.  mono & .NET implement it.
[08:37] <elmargol> No, it is an anonymous p2p framework
[08:37] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:37] <elmargol> Like freenet or MUTE
[08:37] <ajmitch> no, the gnu CIL runtime is dotgnu portable.net
[08:37] <ajmitch> which really needs updated in debian & fixed up
[08:38] <elmargol> gnunet is atm broken on every debian bases distro
[08:38] <RAOF> elmargol: Anyway, I'd like to migrate the Ubuntu packages to the gstreamer backend if at all possible.  Are you still in contact with upstream?
[08:38] <elmargol> RAOF: gstreamer is already in place. You only have to set a gconf entry
[08:39] <RAOF> elmargol: Yes, I know.  Well, and revert a patch that removes the option, 'cause it segfaults when more than one output is available :)
[08:39] <elmargol> RAOF: /join #miro
[08:40] <RAOF> elmargol: Aw, make me do work? :P
[08:59] <white> !info poppler sid
[08:59] <ubotu> Package poppler does not exist in sid
[08:59] <white> ubotu: stupid thing, learn source packages
[08:59] <StevenK> Hah
[08:59] <white> !info puppler-utils sid
[08:59] <ubotu> Package puppler-utils does not exist in sid
[08:59] <white> !info poppler-utils sid
[08:59] <ubotu> poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-6 (sid), package size 100 kB, installed size 276 kB
[08:59] <StevenK> white: poppler |    0.5.4-6 |      unstable | source
[09:00] <white> StevenK: nope, 0.5.4-6.1 (once that NMU shows up)
[09:00] <white> !info poppler-utils gutsy
[09:00] <ubotu> poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.9-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 110 kB, installed size 296 kB
[09:00] <white> hmm 0.5.9 probably includes the security patch
[09:01] <StevenK> white: That's based on rmadison -s unstable poppler
[09:01] <white> StevenK: well i normally use dak ls (which is new madison) on merkel.debian.org :)
[09:01] <StevenK> dak ls *is* madison
[09:02] <white> StevenK: i wish the girls would come back
[09:03] <StevenK> When dak was still on auric (geez, that was a while ago), I had a jennifer wrapper in my ~/bin
[09:03] <white> StevenK: if we have to upgrade the dak for debian-edu, i will have aliases
[09:09] <TheMuso> Hobbsee!
[09:09] <Hobbsee> heya TheMuso 
[09:10] <Hobbsee> oh, MOTU meeting must have been hours ago
[09:10] <StevenK> About 2:30 or so
[09:15] <white> Hobbsee: you look like you want to fix a segfault bug on amd64 :)
[09:15] <RAOF> Na, amd64 is my thing.
[09:16] <white> debian bug #423606
[09:16] <ubotu> Debian bug 423606 in k3dsurf "segmentation fault of k3dsurf on start up" [Normal,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/423606
[09:16] <white> RAOF: there you go
[09:17] <RAOF> That looks like KDE.  I retract my amd64 prowess :)
[09:18] <StevenK> Hah, apt-proxy can't be fixed.
[09:18] <white> ok, whoever works on that debian bug, i will be grateful ;)
[09:18] <RAOF> StevenK: Well, it can have a 1 line patch applied, which allows it to *start* at least :P
[09:33] <Fujitsu> Is LP being incredibly slow for anyone else tonight?
[09:34] <ajmitch> heh
[09:34] <ajmitch> no, it's fine here
[09:34] <ajmitch> you just filed a sync request at the same time I did
[09:35] <ajmitch> bug 131473, 131474
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131473 in libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl "Please sync libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131473
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131474 in libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl "Please sync libbusiness-onlinepayment-transactioncentral-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131474
[09:35] <StevenK> Ouch. That package name sucks.
[09:35] <ajmitch> no kidding
[09:35] <ajmitch> that's probably why we both synced it
[09:35] <ajmitch> makes the rc bug list too wide
[09:37] <Fujitsu> Hah, so I did.
[09:37] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: That's why I attacked it, yep.
[09:37] <Fujitsu> I was annoyed that I couldn't see the comments :(
[09:38] <rgl> hello.
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Hm, I think LP is infinitely redirecting https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/flim/1:1.14.8+0.20061220-1
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Can somebody else try that, please?
[09:38] <rgl> wnyone running latest clamav 0.91.1 on dapper?
[09:39] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: broken for me
[09:39] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: It works without distros/... fix it kthxbye.
[09:39] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: probably the 'distros' part in the URL
[09:39] <ajmitch> gmod == suck
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[09:39] <ajmitch> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)
[09:39] <ajmitch> dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Bwahaha.
[09:41] <ajmitch> ok, changed the bug list
[09:42] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Danke.
[09:43] <ajmitch> I need to change the url bits
[09:43] <ajmitch> .dsc files don't have the epoch
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Speaking of epochs... they cause the eternal redirection.
[09:44] <ajmitch> no surprise
[09:45] <ajmitch> probably for the same reason
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Why aren't epochs in filenames? Isn't it only Windows that has a fit with them?
[09:47] <ajmitch> no idea
[09:48] <Hobbsee> bah. speak of the devil.
[09:49] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee 
[09:49] <Hobbsee> at least it only drops the ssh connection now...
[09:50] <TheMuso> And I was in transit somewhere else anyway...
[09:50] <ajmitch> mostly just discussion about qa & policies for new packages in gutsy+1
[09:57] <TheMuso> Sounds lke I didn't really miss much.
[09:58] <ajmitch> nah
[09:59] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Would it be feasible to have a title attribute on the bug link with the summary?
[09:59] <ajmitch> maybe
[10:00] <ajmitch> I'll see what data I have access to at that point without having to rewrite it
[10:01] <Fujitsu> It's not particularly important, but it'd be nice to have.
[10:07] <Hobbsee> white: i so dont.
[10:09] <Lutin> avr-libc fails to build with the following error: tetex-bin(inst 2007-10 ! <= wanted 3.0-30)|texlive-extra-utils(missing)  . it requires texlive (>= 2007-4), but we have 2007-12ubuntu1 . can it be caused by the order of the alternatives ?
[10:11] <white> Hobbsee: :/
[10:12] <ajmitch> poor white 
[10:13] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: The Debian `Grab' link points to the fixed version, not the latest. Thus it often 404s.
[10:19] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: fixed
[10:19] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Thanks.
[10:22] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: removed the epoch from urls as well, check if they're all still valid
[10:22] <ajmitch> hm, no
[10:23] <ajmitch> forgot to return
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[10:24] <ajmitch> getting None as a version in a url isn't helpful
[10:25] <Fujitsu> Quite possibly nor.
[10:25] <Fujitsu> *not
[10:29] <ajmitch> widest version field :)
[10:29] <Fujitsu> I was about to look at that one.
[10:29] <ajmitch> previous change was just a rebuild
[10:30] <Fujitsu> (longest Debian version)
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Hm, VCS checkout. Maybe not.
[10:30] <ajmitch> then flim
[10:30] <Fujitsu> I've already requested that, AFAICR.
[10:30] <ajmitch> ok
[10:30] <Fujitsu> Hum, maybe not.
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Looks like I didn't end up doing it for some reason.
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Oh, right, got distracted by the redirections being stupid.
[10:32] <ajmitch> comment field is useful then?
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Not in this case, is it?
[10:33] <ajmitch> in general
[10:33] <Fujitsu> Ah, yes.
[10:35] <Fujitsu> Yay, defenstration.
[10:35] <Fujitsu> *defenestration
[10:36] <ajmitch> lucky seb128
[10:37] <coNP> Hi everyone! 
[10:37] <ajmitch> hello
[10:37] <white> hi
[10:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yes, in a classic act of antidisestablishmentarianism.
[10:38] <coNP> Do you know where packages are that have been accepted in Debian but there are manual override issue because of new binary packages?
[10:38] <white> coNP: NEW ?
[10:38] <coNP> No, package updates with new binary packages (because of library soname changes)
[10:39] <white> coNP: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[10:39] <coNP> I wanted to sync openbox 3.4.4 but cannot find it neither on incoming.d.o nor at packages.d.o
[10:39] <ajmitch> still in NEW
[10:39] <white> coNP: new binary packages always go through NEW
[10:39] <coNP> Cool, thanks. Can someone file a sync request against these packages?
[10:39] <ajmitch> can't sync from NEW
[10:40] <white> coNP: NEW is not accessable
[10:40] <white> coNP: only for the ftp team (and some other groups)
[10:40] <coNP> I see. It was the very moment I wanted to ask where I can get the source :)
[10:40] <ajmitch> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/07/27/firefox-to-support-scripting-with-ironpython-and-ironruby
[10:40] <ajmitch> interesting
[10:41] <ajmitch> I guess the ironpython package should be updated :)
[10:41] <white> coNP: ask the maintainer :)
[10:41] <coNP> Yes I guess this will be the case.
[10:41] <coNP> I want this package to get into Ubuntu before it gets frozen
[10:41] <white> coNP: which one?
[10:42] <coNP> Actually I wanted to have the this-0.0.2 release, but I was told to send my patches to Debian so that we can sync.
[10:42] <coNP> white: 3.4.4.
[10:42] <white> coNP: that is which $package?
[10:42] <coNP> Sorry, openbox. 
[10:43] <white> coNP: see if they have it on alioth and maybe build it yourself there?
[10:43] <coNP> (Actually I have written that earlier :))
[10:43] <white> coNP: although I would probably suggest waiting until it is in debian
[10:43] <ajmitch> these debian people just go out of their way to make things hard :)
[10:43] <coNP> I would want to wait.
[10:43] <coNP> But we have a freeze next week :)
[10:43] <coNP> IIRC
[10:43] <white> ah did not know that
[10:43] <white> coNP: well is it smart to bring a new big package in, so close before a freeze?
[10:44] <ajmitch> it's hardly  a new package
[10:44] <ajmitch> coNP: ubuntu changes are being dropped?
[10:47] <ajmitch> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=433788 <-- such a helpful changelog entry
[10:47] <ubotu> Debian bug 433788 in mediawiki1.10 "mediawiki1.10: The installation fails in the post-installation script" [Serious,Fixed]  
[10:48] <coNP> Wow. DSL again :(
[10:48] <coNP> No, not dropped. Sent to the Debian maintainer.
[10:48] <coNP> ajmitch: ^^
[10:48] <ajmitch> so they're not included in 3.4.4-1?
[10:48] <coNP> So they *are*
[10:48] <ajmitch> ok, so the delta is being dropped :)
[10:48] <coNP> At least they are supposed to be.
[10:49] <coNP> I want to check.
[10:49] <coNP> Therefore I asked if I can get the package.
[10:49] <coNP> I wanted to merge an earlier version, but Hobbsee said let's put the delta to Debian so that it disappears
[10:50] <rgl> are the packages maintained in CVS/Subversion/Whatever?
[10:51] <pygi> tedp, synced :)
[11:11] <coNP> Can a core-dev please review a/o sponsor my magyarispell update package (Hungarian spell checker 0.99 -> 1.2)? It has been put to http://www.inf.bme.hu/~aron/ubuntu/magyarispell_1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc (for the time REVU is down). It has also been reviewed and advocated by persia but the we found out that it is a main package so I need a core dev sponsor.
[11:28] <norsetto> Anyone would disagree me working on bug 131325?
[11:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131325 in conky "Gutsy uses old version of conky." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131325
[11:29] <ajmitch> I don't think we'll complain a lot
[11:29] <ajmitch> though it's not a particularly old version that we have
[11:29] <norsetto> ajmitch: thats correct
[11:29] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: loaded seb128 with enough sync requests yet?
[11:30] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Only a few. I'll do more after dinner.
[11:30] <norsetto> ajmitch: perhaps you have something else to keep me busy?
[11:30] <ajmitch> nah, go ahead with conky
[11:31] <Fujitsu> Only 14 so far :(
[11:31] <norsetto> ok, will do, thanks
[11:31] <ajmitch> though I'd better have some dinner
[11:31] <ajmitch> uw-imap, I'd rather file a removal request for that
[11:31] <Fujitsu> Hehehe.
[11:32] <ajmitch> fix is only in experimental, too
[11:32] <Fujitsu> Oh, fun.
[11:32] <ajmitch> the bug is only that it has some RFCs
[11:33] <ajmitch> mm, fam
[11:33] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: How often does that list get updated?
[11:33] <Fujitsu> (wondering when all the synced stuff will vanish)
[11:33] <ajmitch> every 12 hours, iirc
[11:33] <Fujitsu> OK.
[11:33] <ajmitch> or whenever I feel like running the script
[11:34] <Fujitsu> Might be nice to poke it at 20:40 or so.
[11:34] <ajmitch> a bunch of sync requests were processed?
[11:34] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Yep, seb128 is doing them all now.
[11:34] <Fujitsu> Most of mine are done.
[11:34] <ajmitch> ok
[11:34] <ajmitch> :0:> at 11pm
[11:34] <ajmitch> warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
[11:34] <ajmitch> at> /home/ajmitch/debian/ubuntu/scripts/bugs.sh
[11:34] <ajmitch> at> <EOT>
[11:34] <ajmitch> job 3 at Fri Aug 10 23:00:00 2007
[11:35] <ajmitch> I lied about every 12 hours, it's every 24h at 2am
[11:35] <AndyP> morning folks
[11:36] <ajmitch> hi
[11:36] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Ah, thanks.
[11:36] <Fujitsu> Hi AndyP.
[11:37] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: problem is that these comments don't expire
[11:37] <ajmitch> so next time the same package has a problem, the old comments will resurface
[11:37] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: I was wondering if that was handled.
[11:37] <Fujitsu> That sounds suboptimal.
[11:37] <ajmitch> comments are tied to packages, not to bugs
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Why not store them per-bug, rather than per-packagE?
[11:37] <ajmitch> because I didn't feel like doing it that way at the time :)
[11:37] <Fujitsu> Heh, OK.
[11:37] <ajmitch> though it wouldn't be hard to change
[11:38] <ajmitch> maybe 10 minutes
[11:38] <Fujitsu> That would probably be good.
[11:38] <Fujitsu> When you have the time, that is.
[11:38] <pygi> siretart, !
[11:38] <ajmitch> hm, maybe a little longer
[11:39] <ajmitch> I may look at it tomorrow if I have time
[11:39] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[11:58] <StevenK> Heh
[12:10] <martoss> hi there
[12:10] <martoss> is there sth like a fakeroot or so i can use in debian/control ?
[12:11] <TheMuso> grrr. Mutt on my notebook is not picking up new email in my mail boxes.
[12:11] <martoss> i am trying to package an ugly proprietary package.
[12:11] <Fujitsu> martoss: You need to modify the installation scripts.
[12:12] <stgraber> erk, has anyone already see that : E: Type 'deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy main restricted universe multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:12] <stgraber> this is a pbuilder error I have with RainCT script ...
[12:12] <stgraber> (when pbuilder creating)
[12:13] <siretart> pygi: ?
[12:13] <pygi> siretart, multisession support, reading support, iso tree modification support, etc, etc
[12:14] <siretart> pygi: :)
[12:14] <pygi> by far the best implementation of that features FOSS world has ever seen, siretart ;)
[12:15] <siretart> woohooo!
[12:15] <TheMuso> pygi: Sounds awesome.
[12:15] <pygi> TheMuso, it *IS* awesome :)
[12:16] <TheMuso> Is gnome et al using libburn yet?
[12:16] <pygi> siretart, seems also we've got our first real contributor there, wohoooo :)
[12:16] <pygi> TheMuso, not really
[12:16] <siretart> pygi: who is it?
[12:16] <pygi> but they will, have patience
[12:16] <pygi> siretart, some folk who initially wrote java bindings
[12:17] <pygi> he wrote some libisofs code (for multisesion part), he now knows the codebase
[12:17] <siretart> what's his name?
[12:17] <pygi> Vreixo
[12:17] <pygi> TheMuso, they don't have much choice ... :)
[12:17] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[12:17] <TheMuso> pygi: Right.
[12:18] <TheMuso> hmmm. I think mutt is not finding my mail because of the stupid indexer...
[12:18] <pygi> TheMuso, you should use puddle :)
[12:18] <TheMuso> what is puddle?
[12:18] <ajmitch> TheMuso: set check_mbox_size
[12:19] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Ok will do, thanks.
[12:19] <ajmitch> TheMuso: mutt usually relies on file atime, which tracker screws up
[12:19] <pygi> TheMuso, it's a CLI mail app based on tinymail :)
[12:19] <siretart> hey ajmitch !
[12:19] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Yeah I know.
[12:21] <TheMuso> ajmitch: You're a life saver. I owe you one.
[12:21] <ajmitch> np
[12:21] <TheMuso> pygi: I will stick with mutt as long as I live.
[12:22] <TheMuso> It took a while to configure to my liking, and I am not going to throw that away.
[12:24] <pygi> TheMuso, that's bad :)
[12:25] <TheMuso> pygi: In your opinion. :)
[12:26] <pygi> TheMuso, right ^_^
[12:26] <pygi> siretart, well, back to new victories
[12:32] <martoss> why is a "cd src" not changing the directory in the rules file?
[12:32] <martoss> is each line executed in a new shell?
[12:36] <Fujitsu> It's a Makefile, so I believe so.
[12:36] <Fujitsu> martoss: ^^
[12:36] <martoss> hmm, ok its now in the right directory but not working as expected :-(
[12:37] <martoss> its properly installing the menu entry and the docs but nothing else
[12:38] <martoss> and modifying the "install scripts" is not an option, so I guess i have to live with checkinstall.
[12:39] <geser> martoss: why is modifying the install scripts not an option?
[12:40] <martoss> ok, the program is called vmd, a molecular viewer.
[12:40] <martoss> they ship it with a ./configure script which generates a Makefile in the src directory.
[12:41] <martoss> both of them. ./configure and make do not behave like "standard ones" at all, so no prefix= and so on.
[12:41] <martoss> if i modify the install script (./configure) i have to mess with it at every update.
[12:43] <halcyonCorsair> i'm having a problem with start-stop-daemon seemingly not passing arguments correctly, can anyone help?
[12:43] <geser> or you could try to convince upstream to use a "standard" configure script or at least add some options to configure the prefix, etc.
[12:45] <martoss> geser, yep, tried that already with a similar package.
[12:46] <martoss> basically the suggestion is always to "just use" the provided installation scripts.
[01:01] <Kmos> seb128 re-subscribed bug 129551 because it doesn't have comment: Ack'ed
[01:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129551 in watchdog "Please sync watchdog (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129551
[01:01] <Kmos> re-subscribed to U-U-S
[01:09] <white> !info viewvc gutsy
[01:09] <ubotu> Package viewvc does not exist in gutsy
[01:09] <white> !info viewcvs gutsy
[01:09] <ubotu> viewcvs: view CVS Repositories via HTTP. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.2+cvs.1.0.dev.2004.07.28-4.1 (gutsy), package size 326 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[01:09] <white> someone wants to upgrade that (and maybe fix the damn version in sid and check the patch there :) )
[01:10] <white> !info backup-manager gutsy
[01:10] <ubotu> backup-manager: command-line backup tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.6-1 (gutsy), package size 111 kB, installed size 604 kB
[01:10] <white> !info poppler-utils sid
[01:11] <ubotu> poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-6 (sid), package size 100 kB, installed size 276 kB
[01:11] <white> pff takes ages ...
[01:11] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: right, the list is cleared of most sync requests now
[01:12] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Great, thanks.
[01:13] <ajmitch> pykerberos sounds interesting
[01:15] <ajmitch> seems like it's considered api stable
[01:15] <TheMuso> argh.
[01:15] <ajmitch> TheMuso: which one is that?
[01:16] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I am running gutsy, which means no speakup, so I have to use GUi entirely.
[01:16] <ajmitch> ouch
[01:16] <Kmos> can someone add a comment "acked" to bug 129551 because it doesn't have it and seb128 re-subscribed it to U-U-S
[01:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129551 in watchdog "Please sync watchdog (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129551
[01:16] <Kmos> it's already triaged by hoora_ 
[01:16] <Kmos> Hobbsee: 
[01:16] <Kmos> :)
[01:16] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Its probably for the best longterm anyway.
[01:16] <ajmitch> TheMuso: why?
[01:17] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Speakup as far as code goes is... well.. words cannot describe the horror that it is.
[01:17] <ajmitch> heh
[01:17] <TheMuso> And, text mode browsers are not cutting it as well on the web any more, particularly elinks with launchpad.
[01:17] <ajmitch> how useful is having only the gui for you?
[01:17] <halcyonCorsair> hmm
[01:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: posting on the forums hey?
[01:18] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Well its not too bad. It certainly means the gnome a11y will get a more thorough test and bug reporting.
[01:18] <TheMuso> And if things die, I can still recover gracefully, due to having some sight.
[01:18] <ajmitch> halcyonCorsair: still having issues?
[01:19] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: yeah, damn wabbits
[01:19] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: Is there some KDE4 metapackage I can install? Want to try it out
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: kde4base, iirc
[01:19] <TheMuso> uuajAnd I have wanted to move this way for ages, because like you others, I actually do appreciate looking at a deacent screen, and not having text only staring back at me.
[01:20] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: i think it turns out to be because the author of the program i'm writing the init-script for uses "s for an argument.....like so:
[01:20] <halcyonCorsair> ajmitch: /usr/local/sbin/vgate-capture eth2 10.32.0.0 255.255.0.0 vlan "ip and net 10.32.0.0/16 and not net 192.168.10.0/24"
[01:20] <ajmitch> ah, that'll make things fun
[01:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: That will install everything I need to pick 'KDE4' from gdm and login? :)
[01:20] <ajmitch> so you need to try & quote things in exactly the right manner
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: unsure, check kubuntu.org
[01:21] <Amaranth> the beta is already packaged, right?
[01:21] <halcyonCorsair> yeah....and bash ISN'T exactly cooperating....and probably fair enough
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yes
[01:23] <Amaranth> From what I've read kwin does things compiz could never hope to
[01:24] <Amaranth> mostly gracefully scale from texture_from_pixmap to copy rendering to software rendering
[01:24] <white> !info apache2 gutsy
[01:24] <ubotu> apache2: Next generation, scalable, extendable web server. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.4-3 (gutsy), package size 40 kB, installed size 92 kB
[01:25] <ajmitch> white: more security fun?
[01:25] <white> ajmitch: always :) 
[01:25] <white> apache2 is on my list, because testing is not yet fixed, unstable is though
[01:27] <TheMuso> Ah that reminds me. I should test accessibility with compiz, not that it will result in much I fear.
[01:28] <TheMuso> Accessibility plus compiz seem slike an oximoron.
[01:28] <TheMuso> to me anyway.
[01:33] <white> ajmitch: you might want to sync backup-manager and viewvc from unstable though 
[01:33] <white> ajmitch: and maybe incorporate the NMU for poppler or just sync it once it shows up
[01:34] <ajmitch> backup-manager just looks to be a path change for docs
[01:34] <ajmitch> unless it hasn't hit the PTS yet
[01:35] <white> ajmitch: it now uses a CONF file to do the ugly sql magic, instead of using the sql pw with the comand line
[01:35] <ajmitch>     viewvc |    1.0.3-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe Sources viewvc |    1.0.3-2 | http://http.us.debian.org sid/main Sources
[01:35] <ajmitch> viewvc is already the same version according to what I can see locally
[01:36] <white> ah ok, my fault
[01:36] <ajmitch> what was the reason for either of those?
[01:36] <martoss> if i wanna suggest some changes (enabling features) on a package in universe, what's the best way to do this? file a bug report with patch?
[01:36] <ajmitch> martoss: generally yes
[01:37] <white> ajmitch: bah that was in -1 which is already in gutsy
[01:37] <ajmitch> though there are a lot of packages, so someone may not see the patch
[01:37] <white> seems i am not totally awake
[01:37] <white> !info poppler-utils gutsy
[01:37] <ubotu> poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.9-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 110 kB, installed size 296 kB
[01:37] <white> !info poppler-utils sid
[01:37] <ubotu> poppler-utils: PDF utilitites (based on libpoppler). In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.4-6 (sid), package size 100 kB, installed size 276 kB
[01:38] <white> hmm the fix is probably present, so it would be worthwile checking
[01:38] <white> 0.5.4-6.1 will have it in
[01:38] <ajmitch> it's in main, too
[01:38] <white> !info xpdf gutsy
[01:38] <ubotu> xpdf: Portable Document Format (PDF) suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.02-1.1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1 kB, installed size 36 kB
[01:38] <martoss> So, is it then better to get involved somehow myself?
[01:38] <ajmitch> maybe seb128 or pitti would know about it
[01:39] <white> someone should check, that the patch from 3.02-1.1 is in 3.02-1.1ubuntu1
[01:39] <ajmitch> it ought to be, given the version :)
[01:39] <white> but it probably is according to the version number
[01:40] <white> hmm seems someone is reading the stuff i was posting here and does the syncs, nice :)
[01:40] <ajmitch> that's what we do
[01:40] <white> awesome :)
[01:40] <ajmitch> martoss: either that, or the change *may* be best done in debian
[01:40] <martoss> ok, thx
[01:40] <white> ajmitch: do you already know about your flight and stuff, btw?
[01:41] <ajmitch> white: nope, and they're expensive for sept
[01:41] <ajmitch> seems that I have to plan at least 2 months out
[01:41] <white> ajmitch: we might have a BSP on the 22nd of sept
[01:41] <ajmitch> right, I won't be there for that
[01:42] <ajmitch> seems now that I could be there near end of oct
[01:42] <white> :/
[01:42] <ajmitch> sorry
[01:43] <ajmitch> if I was to visit in sept, it'd have to be in the 1st 2 weeks, and there are no cheap flights then, and there's something I want to do there in late october
[01:44] <RainCT> hi
[01:44] <ajmitch> hello
[01:49] <elmargol> any infos why revu is down?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> elmargol: see the locoteams mailing list
[01:52] <elmargol> Hobbsee: ubunru-motu?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> huh?
[01:52] <coNP> Kmos: sorry, why did you edit status of bug 119796?
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119796 in openbox "Please merge openbox 3.4.2-2 from Debian unstable (main)" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119796
[01:52] <Fujitsu> The loco-contacts mailing list.
[01:53] <coNP> It is a bug assigned to me.
[01:53] <white> !info linux-2.6 gutsy
[01:53] <ubotu> Package linux-2.6 does not exist in gutsy
[01:53] <coNP> I try to handle it to my best.
[01:53] <white> *brr*
[01:53] <Fujitsu> white: Our kernels are entirely separate.
[01:53] <coNP> It is very annoying that someone changes its state "just because"... please at least write some explanation.
[01:53] <white> Fujitsu: aren't they being maintained within alioth somewhere together with the debian team?
[01:54] <Fujitsu> white: I don't believe so... it's all in Ubuntu git.
[01:56] <zul__> white: you want linux-source-2.6.22 linux-2.6 is debian
[01:56] <white> doesn't matter, it was just popping up here, because it is stacked in unstable :/
[01:58] <elmargol> I can't find any informations about tauware on the locu mailinglist
[01:58] <Fujitsu> elmargol: The mail about the servers being moved. The last couple of emails, I think.
[01:58] <elmargol> ahh ok i did read this email
[01:58] <Fujitsu> tiber is the server in quetion.
[01:58] <Fujitsu> *question
[02:03] <martoss> where can i find infos about macros in debian/rules files? e.g. to determine python version?
[02:04] <StevenK> martoss: man pyversions
[02:05] <geser> martoss: if you want to package a python software, please also read the Debian python policy (if not already done)
[02:05] <xxxxx1> morning people!
[02:05] <martoss> ah ok... 
[02:09] <elmargol> Fujitsu: some time ago i asked you about the gnunet packages. i invested some time an did the packaging. Who can I ask for a review?
[02:09] <elmargol> Since revu is down I can't ask there
[02:14] <elmargol> bug #130666
[02:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130666 in gnunet "New GNUnet-0.7.2b version available" [Wishlist,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130666
[02:24] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Only a little.
[02:24] <ScottK> Good morning all.
[02:25] <geser> Hi ScottK
[02:26] <white> hi
[02:26] <ScottK> Hello geser, white.
[02:27] <coNP> hey ScottK 
[02:27] <ScottK> Hello coNP.  Congrats again on your first security upload.  
[02:27] <coNP> Thanks.
[02:27] <ScottK> That's pretty much how they go.
[02:27] <coNP> And thanks for mentoring.
[02:28] <coNP> It is more easier than it seemed at first sight.
[02:28] <ScottK> No problem.  The more of us who can do it, the better.
[02:28] <xxxxx1> morning ScottK 
[02:29] <ScottK> Good morning xxxxx1.
[02:29] <coNP> Cool. I got the source packages now.
[02:29] <xxxxx1> you're on u-u-s today? :)
[02:30] <elmargol> ScottK: Had you time to review my package?
[02:30] <ScottK> No I haven't.  I'm unlikely to have much reviewing time before tomorrow at the earliest.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yes, make ScottK do it all :P
[02:31] <elmargol> Well i can't review my own package :D
[02:31] <ScottK> Sure.
[02:31] <coNP> Hobbsee: now that openbox Dev Maintainer has incorporated my patch what should I do with Openbox? Is it okay to modify the original sync / merge request?
[02:31] <coNP> s/Dev/Deb
[02:31] <ScottK> elmargol: You've just kind of hit us at a bad time for reviewing.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> coNP: yeah, that works
[02:31] <coNP> Cool, thanks :)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> coNP: although i think Kmos played with it, and it got marked as fix released.  whichever.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> coNP: when does your MOTU app go thru?
[02:32] <coNP> I asked him not to do that.
[02:32] <elmargol> well if we wait to long it is to late :(
[02:32] <elmargol> and since the current version doesn't even work...
[02:32] <ScottK> elmargol: Understand, but also please understand that everyone here is a volunteer.
[02:32] <coNP> Especially since (1) it was assigned to me (2) I was working on it indeed (at least bugged the Debian Maintainer) 
[02:32] <TheMuso> i/c
[02:32] <Fujitsu> If it doesn't work, a UVFe should be trivial.
[02:32] <ScottK> Agreed.
[02:33] <ScottK> elmargol: Particularly early on freeze exceptions aren't that hard to get.
[02:33] <coNP> Hobbsee: crimsun 's opinion / ACK is missing. But some people got through it with 4 ACKs as well.
[02:33] <Hobbsee> coNP: i dont think crimsun's around.
[02:34] <ScottK> crimsun started his new job, so I don't expect him around a whole lot.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> does MOTU require a TB interview?
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Isn't crimsun going to be entirely missing for some time?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> i dont remember
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Not any more
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: oh, neat
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Used to, but then MOTU Council sprung into existence.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> although my MOTU app was kinda fun
[02:34] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:34] <coNP> Hobbsee: why?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> coNP: was just curious
[02:35] <coNP> I was not sure if he is around BTW, only checked who is the fifth MOTU council member.
[02:35] <coNP> Hobbsee: I asked why your MOTU app was kinda fun  :)
[02:35] <Hobbsee> coNP: ahhh.  because i had a lot of supporters
[02:36] <coNP> Hmm. What to do with Openbox? If I wait till packages appear in unstable I miss feature freeze.
[02:36] <elmargol> How can I create a repository for my package?
[02:36] <coNP> But I was told we cannot sync from -NEW. However I got the packages and pbuilder says they are allright :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> coNP: feature freeze?  the one you care about is UVF
[02:37] <coNP> Oh, sure. It is later I guess
[02:37] <coNP> Maybe Kmos will edit the sync request anyway if the package appears in Debian.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> coNP: it's your original bug.  you may as well do it
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: it must be my turn to go missing, then.
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Aw, why?
[02:39] <xxxxx1> elmargol, i can help you. open a query
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: because bdmurray is back
[02:39] <Fujitsu> Um..?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oh, sorry, bddebian
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[02:48] <xxxxx1> ScottK, can you take a look at bug #66940 today?
[02:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 66940 in psi "Psi version string presents as "Debian testing/unstable" on Dapper" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/66940
[02:48] <ScottK> xxxxx1: Is there a particular urgency for this?
[02:48] <xxxxx1> nope
[02:49] <ScottK> As long as UUS is subscribed, then I wouldn't worry about hunting up sponsors.
[02:49] <ScottK> The UUS queue gets cleared relatively regularly.
[02:49] <xxxxx1> ok :)
[02:49] <ScottK> Also, as this is a bug fix, we have a LONG time to get it done before release.
[02:50] <xxxxx1> right
[03:40] <ScottK> Bye coNP
[03:40] <xxxxx1> bye coNP 
[03:41] <white> !info bugzilla gutsy
[03:41] <ubotu> bugzilla: web-based bug tracking system. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.22.1-2 (gutsy), package size 804 kB, installed size 4408 kB
[03:41] <white> there is a 2.22.1-2.1 coming in, which should be synced :)
[04:03] <geser> RAOF: have you talked to mvo about the debdiff in bug #131035?
[04:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131035 in compizconfig-python "Doesn't depend on python, ships .a and .la files" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131035
[04:04] <white> anyone here some time and interested in php?
[04:04] <white> just having a look through lwat (and maybe looking for some vulnerabilities) would be helpful
[04:05] <sommer> lwat?
[04:06] <white> !info lwat gutsy
[04:06] <ubotu> lwat: LDAP Web-based Administration Tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15-1 (gutsy), package size 68 kB, installed size 540 kB
[04:07] <sommer> ah...by look for vulnerabilities you mean in the PHP code itself?  Or there's a package update available?
[04:07] <white> sommer: php code itself
[04:07] <white> sommer: it came on my radar for one problem, but i would like to have someone else to look over it and check for more stuff
[04:08] <white> sommer: that can give you some hints as well (but do not rely on it, it is not always accurate) 
[04:08] <white> sommer: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/lina/rats/lwat.rats
[04:10] <sommer> is there a home page for lwat?  
[04:10] <sommer> I'm pretty new to PHP, but I'm interested in a web based LDAP tool.
[04:11] <white> sommer: http://bzz.no/lwat/
[04:12] <sommer> white: thanks
[04:27] <geser> white: bug #131560
[04:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131560 in bugzilla "[Sync request]  Sync bugzilla (2.22.1-2.1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131560
[04:34] <white> geser: thanks :)
[04:35] <white> geser: i do not know about ubuntu severities. The fix is for a security bug, although not a big security issue
[04:50] <geser> white: I doubt that a sync request will be proceed faster with a higher severity
[04:52] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:56] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:56] <bddebian> Hi geser
[04:57] <xxxxx1> hello bddebian
[04:58] <bddebian> Heya xxxxx1
[05:40] <kdub432> does anyone know anything about  flash package problems for for edgy?
[05:44] <kdub432> in particular, the package doesnt seem to actually do anything...
[06:10] <davromaniak> Good evening all
[06:10] <davromaniak> I would know if there's any MOTU awake here, :)
[06:12] <ScottK> Sure.  At least one.
[06:12] <davromaniak> ok
[06:14] <bddebian> Well awake is a relative term :-)
[06:15] <davromaniak> I'm finishing the packaging of qtpfsgui, and I would if any MOTU can take a look at it in a few minutes when I will dput it in REVU
[06:16] <bddebian> davromaniak: REVU is down for several days.  See /topic :-(
[06:16] <davromaniak> oops, soory
[06:17] <davromaniak> being a sysadmin makes me very tired
[06:17] <bddebian> I hear ya
[06:18] <davromaniak> nobody knows when REVU will be up again ?
[06:19] <ScottK> It's being migrated to new hardware.
[06:19] <ScottK> Soonish is all I've heard.
[06:19] <davromaniak> ok
[06:21] <ScottK> If you put the package up somewhere where people can dget it, put a link to it in an LP needs-packaging bug, and subscribe UUS, then there's no need to wait.
[06:23] <davromaniak> ok
[06:27] <davromaniak> http://perth.davromaniak.eu/qtpfsgui/ <== ScottK or bddebian please
[06:27] <ScottK> Is there a bug for us to put comments on?
[06:28] <davromaniak> yes
[06:28] <davromaniak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/106239
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106239 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  qtpfsgui" [Wishlist,In progress]  
[06:28] <ScottK> I didn't see your orig.tar.gz up there.  Please upload that too.
[06:29] <davromaniak> oops, sorry
[06:29] <davromaniak> done
[06:30] <davromaniak> hmm, what is UUS ?
[06:30] <bddebian> Ubuntu Universe Sponsors
[06:30] <davromaniak> ok
[06:34] <davromaniak> done
[06:35] <davromaniak> I think there's some problems in the debian/rules
[06:38] <ScottK> davromaniak: I'd suggest add a comment to the bug so reviewers will know to focus on that.
[06:38] <davromaniak> ok
[06:39] <davromaniak> thank you adding it
[06:47] <guardian> please, is there a way to ignore errors from postinst script ?
[06:48] <guardian> i'm doing kill - SIGHUP `pidof foo`
[06:48] <guardian> but some process depends on each other
[06:48] <guardian> so in the end, i'm getting "no such process" error for one of the process returned by pidof
[07:59] <Skiessi> xmoto 0.3.2 has been out for a while :P
[08:01] <ScottK> Skiessi: Is it in Debian yet?
[08:02] <Skiessi> debian repository? dunno
[08:02] <ScottK> If it's there, we can probabyl easily sync it into Ubuntu.
[08:02] <ScottK> packages.debian.org
[08:04] <Skiessi> nah :/
[08:05] <Skiessi> http://download.tuxfamily.org/xmoto/xmoto/0.3.2/xmoto-0.3.2-src.tar.gz but here's the source if someone is bored enough
[08:17] <ScottK> Well maybe you'll get bored before someone else does ...
[08:32] <SniperBeamer> i don't think that updating the package is a big problem
[08:33] <SniperBeamer> the real problem is getting the package maintainer to update it
[09:02] <ScottK> SniperBeamer: Who is the package maintainer?
[09:06] <jeromeg> hello
[09:07] <jeromeg> can someone review my upgrade for dvgrab : http://vv.guelf.free.fr/ubuntu/ ?
[09:07] <jeromeg> i put it here cause revu is down
[09:12] <jeromeg> anyone please ?
[09:15] <norsetto> jeromeg: I think it is advisable to insert the link in the bug report too
[09:17] <jeromeg> norsetto : well I wanted to be sure that the package is clean before doing so
[09:18] <norsetto> jeromeg: yes, thats why you should use the link there
[09:21] <jeromeg> norsetto: ok
[09:21] <jeromeg> norsetto : and I suscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors ?
[09:23] <norsetto> jeromeg: if the package is in universe, yes
[09:23] <jeromeg> ok
[09:23] <jeromeg> thx
[09:53] <superm1_> hey bddebian i forgot to catch up with you the other day after work, can you do the upload for mythbuntu-lirc-generator's new version today?
[09:57] <AndyP> bddebian: :-)
[10:01] <pygi> hey jdong !
[10:26] <AndyP> there's a stray config.log in a debian package, that means it wasn't removed in debian/rules clean, right?
[10:27] <minghua> AndyP: Yes.  Usually it should be removed by "make distclean".
[10:28] <AndyP> minghua: ok, maybe i'll fix that when i merge the other bits then