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| Daviey | superm1_: any news on mythbuntu.org; I tried phoning imbrandon the other day - but no reply | 09:40 |
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| superm1_ | Daviey, you here? | 09:57 |
| superm1_ | yet | 09:57 |
| superm1_ | you tried to phone him too? | 09:57 |
| Daviey | yeah | 09:58 |
| Daviey | the other day.. no reply | 09:58 |
| superm1_ | Well i phoned him friday | 10:03 |
| superm1_ | and spoke for a moment | 10:03 |
| superm1_ | and have had a few line of text here and there | 10:03 |
| superm1_ | but nothing that explains whats going on here even | 10:03 |
| superm1_ | i contacted someone in canonical to see the feasibility of hosting on a canonical box, and it looks like we'd be able to fit into the loco team boxes | 10:04 |
| superm1_ | so i'm giving imbrandon till tomorrow to get a reasonable explanation | 10:04 |
| superm1_ | and/or up and running | 10:04 |
| superm1_ | otherwise, i'll get the ball rolling on setting this up on another box | 10:04 |
| superm1_ | this whole thing really isn't cool though | 10:08 |
| superm1_ | none of /var/www is backed up - including the new theme, and also the gpg key for the package signer is on there | 10:08 |
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| DaveMorris | anyone know when does the dow jones start trading? | 02:56 |
| laga_ | no | 03:10 |
| DaveMorris | I wiki'ed it | 03:11 |
| DaveMorris | was wondering how it'll take the market news today | 03:11 |
| laga_ | market news? | 03:11 |
| laga_ | i didn't have time for a long breakfast so i just skipped through the newspaper | 03:12 |
| DaveMorris | they closesd down 3% yesterday | 03:12 |
| DaveMorris | FTSE100 is currently 3% down again, big losers are all banks | 03:12 |
| DaveMorris | Central banks world wide are pumping alot more money in than normal | 03:13 |
| laga_ | weather is totally fscked up here | 03:15 |
| laga_ | it's august and it's raining all the time | 03:15 |
| DaveMorris | it was like that here (UK) for all of June/July | 03:15 |
| laga_ | well | 03:16 |
| laga_ | that's normal for UK, though | 03:16 |
| laga_ | imho ;) | 03:16 |
| DaveMorris | not really | 03:16 |
| laga_ | it's actually cold | 03:17 |
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| superm1_ | keescook, you here? | 06:33 |
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| laga_ | hey superm1_ | 06:45 |
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| superm1_ | hey laga_ | 06:45 |
| laga_ | superm1_: i checked out falcon from bzr last night and played with buildd support. it's not quite there yet but looking good | 06:45 |
| superm1_ | laga_, does it use pbuilder or sbuild? | 06:46 |
| superm1_ | or do its own thing | 06:46 |
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| laga_ | superm1_: it uses pbuilder | 06:48 |
| superm1_ | ah so you can use pbuilder-gdebi for it | 06:48 |
| laga_ | superm1_: well, you can specify your own build command.. i filed a few bug reports which were closed as invalid. he doesn't want bug reports because it's not a release yet | 06:49 |
| laga_ | yes | 06:49 |
| superm1_ | laga_, your on kubuntu right? | 06:49 |
| laga_ | yes | 06:49 |
| superm1_ | can you check out the bzr branch for mythbuntu-control-centre, and just run the script (dont build the package) | 06:50 |
| superm1_ | and see if it detects your system correctly | 06:50 |
| superm1_ | it won't make any modifications yet, i'm just working on the system query stuff for it | 06:50 |
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| laga_ | sure | 06:51 |
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| laga_ | my gutsy pbuilder is still broken. *sigh* | 06:53 |
| laga_ | well, might just take some time for de.archive.ubuntu.com to update | 06:54 |
| keescook | superm1_: here, but distracted. lirc upload? | 06:54 |
| superm1_ | keescook, yes if possible :) | 06:54 |
| superm1_ | how'd you know? | 06:54 |
| superm1_ | bug 129038 | 06:54 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 129038 in lirc "lirc overwrote my lircd.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129038 | 06:55 |
| keescook | I saw the bug mail go by. :) | 06:55 |
| keescook | rawk, I'll get it spun up, I've doing some other sponsoring right now too | 06:55 |
| laga_ | superm1_: the control centre depends on the lirc module i guess | 07:09 |
| superm1_ | yes laga_ | 07:09 |
| superm1_ | you can comment those lines out for now | 07:09 |
| superm1_ | if you dont have it installed | 07:09 |
| superm1_ | its just 3 includes | 07:09 |
| superm1_ | err imports | 07:09 |
| laga_ | i'll just install it | 07:09 |
| superm1_ | (the code to use it to write out the results isn't in yet) | 07:09 |
| jams | control center that depends on lirc..sounds interesting | 07:28 |
| keescook | superm1_: lirc uploaded. :) thanks for tracking down the fixes. | 07:28 |
| superm1_ | thanks keescook | 07:28 |
| superm1_ | jams, http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre | 07:28 |
| laga_ | jams: it depends on a lirc module for the control centre :) | 07:28 |
| superm1_ | you can see some captures from yesterday's gui, i'm still working on more | 07:28 |
| laga_ | superm1_: i'll try it later, gotta run to the shops now | 07:28 |
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| jams | interesting..looks good | 07:29 |
| jams | isthat gtk? | 07:30 |
| superm1_ | yes | 07:30 |
| superm1_ | it will be usable as a mythtv installer on ubuntu boxes, or a control area on mythbuntu boxes | 07:31 |
| jams | for the remote's do youhave a largish collectin or lirc files? I'm thinking of settings up something to get them all in one place. Specificly for cable boxes | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | jams, are you on gutsy? | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | you can see what is there for the collection | 07:32 |
| jams | oh no... | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | lirc now ships a lirc.hwdb | 07:32 |
| jams | at the risk of being yelled at, i'm not a ubunta person | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | which maps remote names to module lists and a lircd.confs | 07:32 |
| superm1_ | so upon lirc install now, you choose your remote, and it preloads the appropriate modules and lircd.conf | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | and saves those settings for the next boot | 07:33 |
| jams | right..makes perfect sense | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | to generate a lircrc, foxbuntu and i wrote mythbuntu-lirc-generator | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | which parses the lircd.conf | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | and makes a sane lircrc | 07:33 |
| superm1_ | and now this control centre further expands upon that by making it easy to choose your remote and change and regenerate from a gui | 07:34 |
| superm1_ | also, gutsy ships with all the lirc modules prebuilt in the linux-ubuntu-modules package | 07:35 |
| superm1_ | so you won't need to recompile any of them yourself upon kernel upgrades | 07:35 |
| superm1_ | not an ubuntu person? what brings you in here then :) | 07:35 |
| jams | oh i see..it's something recent with lirc | 07:36 |
| superm1_ | yea the ubuntu media center guys have a pretty in depth lirc spec to fix things upstream | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | and make it more pleasant | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | i've worked with them on improving the ubuntu side of things | 07:37 |
| superm1_ | for now, for gutsy, until everything is sane upstream | 07:37 |
| jams | got it. | 07:38 |
| jams | to answer your question, i'm just interested in how mythbunta is getting along. | 07:39 |
| jams | gotta keep laga_ on his toes! | 07:39 |
| superm1_ | well having the website down has really been bad... | 07:40 |
| jams | yes i imagine it would be | 07:40 |
| superm1_ | and no one can get ahold of imbrandon to get a straight answer out of him | 07:41 |
| superm1_ | he hasn't responded to my last email | 07:41 |
| superm1_ | and we're running on a week now of downtime | 07:41 |
| jams | i don't know if things are free for you or not. But i have found linode to be a good hosting company. | 07:41 |
| superm1_ | well imbrandon was hosting for free for us | 07:42 |
| jams | little light on performance (as they are virtual machines) but it'w workedwell for me | 07:42 |
| superm1_ | if he doesn't come back around i'm gonna move things over to a canonical server | 07:42 |
| superm1_ | only problem is that I wouldn't have root on such a box likely, so some of the nicer things that were done (cd builds need root), will need to be done locally and uploaded | 07:43 |
| jams | understand that | 07:43 |
| superm1_ | but i'd prefer to not invest money in hosting, i already invest enough time here :) | 07:43 |
| jams | yep | 07:43 |
| jams | does mythbunta have an /etc/mythbunta-release file or some other way to brand it as mythbunta vs ubunta? | 07:44 |
| superm1_ | well since everything is uploaded in ubuntu archives, its more of a reconfiguration of ubuntu rather than a derivative | 07:46 |
| superm1_ | that can easily be switched between having a desktop or not | 07:46 |
| jams | hmm ok | 07:47 |
| superm1_ | after that control centre is finished up, adding the desktop role back to an mythbuntu box should just be a matter of checking one of those radio buttons | 07:50 |
| jams | i asked because i'm working on a project that will report back the os and hardware config for a mythbox. I thought reporting back mythbunta of ubunta might have some value, but it doesn't matter to me. | 07:52 |
| superm1_ | Report back to where? | 07:52 |
| jams | for now it will report back to me and i will publish the results. But depending how things go it could end up on mythtv.org. | 07:53 |
| jams | i'm just thinking out loud, nothing set in stone | 07:53 |
| jams | forget i mentioned it until i have something more concrete =) | 07:54 |
| superm1_ | well i say this because are you intending this to go into mythtv? | 07:55 |
| superm1_ | as an option to report back? | 07:55 |
| jams | yep | 07:55 |
| superm1_ | an opt in sort of thing | 07:55 |
| jams | yep | 07:55 |
| superm1_ | have you talked to the devs about it? | 07:55 |
| jams | yep | 07:55 |
| superm1_ | and how was their feedback? | 07:56 |
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| jams | please, i would hate it if my mythbox reported back somehting that i couldn't view or initiate | 07:56 |
| superm1_ | well hence it being op-in | 07:57 |
| jams | correct | 07:57 |
| superm1_ | well i think it sounds like quite a useful idea | 07:58 |
| jams | thats the general reception, with concerns of privacy and all that jazz | 07:58 |
| jams | don't go stealing my idea! | 07:59 |
| superm1_ | haha, don't worry | 07:59 |
| superm1_ | i'd rather see it upstream rather than a mythbuntu specific thing either way | 07:59 |
| jams | oh course | 08:00 |
| jams | but in terms of myth i see value in mythbunta vs ubunta | 08:01 |
| superm1_ | well i'm not sure there will be much of a distinction any more should this control centre pick up | 08:01 |
| superm1_ | and people start to use it to manage/do regular installs | 08:01 |
| jams | so the control centre will/might end up in the ubunta repo? | 08:03 |
| jams | if so then i see your point | 08:03 |
| jams | any way i should get back to work, nice chatting with you | 08:03 |
| superm1_ | okay see you | 08:04 |
| === laga_ backports lirc from gutsy to feisty... | ||
| === superm1_ already has done such procedures. if he had webspace on mythbuntu.org still, he would have uploaded it there | ||
| laga_ | superm1_: did you see axel thimm's offer? | 08:13 |
| laga_ | he offered you webspace on atrpms | 08:13 |
| superm1_ | No? | 08:13 |
| laga_ | you already have an account there | 08:13 |
| superm1_ | oh i forgot i have space there | 08:13 |
| superm1_ | that's right | 08:13 |
| superm1_ | laga_, what offer are you referring to? | 08:14 |
| laga_ | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283399#283399 | 08:14 |
| superm1_ | ah yes | 08:15 |
| superm1_ | i wouldn't have seen that until later tonight | 08:15 |
| superm1_ | when i opened up tbird | 08:15 |
| superm1_ | well at least for -fixes for now, i guess that can work | 08:15 |
| laga_ | i could offer lots of webspace, too, but i'm too concerned about distributing stuff like libdvdcss and friends | 08:15 |
| superm1_ | although ppa might make more sense | 08:16 |
| superm1_ | for the -fixes | 08:16 |
| laga_ | yes | 08:16 |
| laga_ | does it already work? | 08:16 |
| superm1_ | well kinda | 08:16 |
| superm1_ | the uploads have to be timed right | 08:16 |
| superm1_ | so that you don't build mythplugins until mythtv has built | 08:17 |
| laga_ | so it doesn't work | 08:17 |
| laga_ | :) | 08:17 |
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| jams | no idle chit chat..back to work! | 08:18 |
| superm1_ | if anything, i'll do the builds on ppa, and sync them to atrpms | 08:18 |
| superm1_ | with falcon | 08:18 |
| laga_ | jams: what work? :) | 08:19 |
| laga_ | i wonder why apt keeps complaining about unsigned packages from de.archive.ubuntu.com on my box | 08:21 |
| laga_ | maybe i'm missing a key from my keyring | 08:21 |
| laga_ | dput is also not very useful with falcon since you can't easily pass it a component | 08:22 |
| laga_ | superm1_: control centre fails with "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf' | 08:24 |
| laga_ | " | 08:24 |
| laga_ | i've touched the file and it's working | 08:24 |
| laga_ | maybe such things could be handled more gracefully | 08:24 |
| superm1_ | laga_, ah that's another thing that is in gutsy packages | 08:24 |
| superm1_ | oh but only if mythtv-database exists | 08:25 |
| superm1_ | good point | 08:25 |
| laga_ | let me know when the control centre is ready to be translated | 08:26 |
| superm1_ | how to get it translatable, i'm not sure | 08:26 |
| laga_ | superm1_: control centre detects "kubuntu desktop" as "desktop role" if that's what you wanted to know | 08:27 |
| laga_ | superm1_: the control centre looks very good, btw. great job. | 08:27 |
| superm1_ | laga_, okay great so it saw kubuntu-desktop | 08:28 |
| superm1_ | good good | 08:28 |
| superm1_ | tell me great job once it does things :) at this point it's a glorified app for gathering info :) | 08:29 |
| laga_ | i had another interesting idea but i forgot. duh. | 08:30 |
| laga_ | superm1_: are we already loading nividia-settings when starting X? | 08:30 |
| superm1_ | yes | 08:30 |
| laga_ | good good | 08:30 |
| superm1_ | in the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package's login script at least | 08:30 |
| laga_ | that's good enough :) | 08:30 |
| superm1_ | if its a desktop, then its up to the user | 08:30 |
| laga_ | superm1_: it's written in python and glade, right? | 08:31 |
| superm1_ | yes | 08:31 |
| laga_ | i'll found how to translate stuff | 08:32 |
| superm1_ | i think the same way ubiquity handles it is likely the way to go | 08:33 |
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| laga_ | superm1_: seems like intltool is the way to go for translations | 09:07 |
| superm1_ | laga_, the way that ubiquity does it, all text is in the .templates file in debian/ | 09:08 |
| superm1_ | and then in the initialization stage, it's overridden appropriately | 09:08 |
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| laga_ | superm1_: ubiqity seems to be using intltool | 09:10 |
| superm1_ | is it a python module? | 09:10 |
| laga_ | hum | 09:11 |
| laga_ | DESCRIPTION intltool-extract extracts strings in the specified XML/INI type SOURCE_FILE and writes them into a C header file. Then xgettext(1) can merge these strings inside header file into po template. | 09:11 |
| laga_ | intltool-extract is usually not executed manually, but called from intltool-update(8) instead. | 09:11 |
| laga_ | i'll play around with it and let you know | 09:12 |
| superm1_ | k | 09:12 |
| laga_ | seems to be easy | 09:17 |
| superm1_ | well if you want to add translation support to, be my guest :) | 09:18 |
| laga_ | i'm going to | 09:19 |
| laga_ | need some food first | 09:19 |
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| borga2 | Does anyone know which version of v4l-dvb that comes with ubuntu 7.04? | 10:02 |
| superm1_ | borga2, it's the version that shipped with the kernel in 7.04, nothing special | 10:03 |
| superm1_ | its not a special snapshot after that kernel release | 10:03 |
| borga2 | Hmm actually it is version 2.6.21 of the kernel | 10:04 |
| superm1_ | 7.04 shipped with a 2.6.20 kernel i had thought? | 10:05 |
| borga2 | yes that's right, so I thought that v4l was a separate module/program | 10:06 |
| laga_ | this i18n business is confusing | 10:06 |
| superm1_ | well v4l is indeed a sep project, but they are included in the kernel now. so development happens outside the kernel tree | 10:07 |
| superm1_ | but they regularly sync in | 10:07 |
| borga2 | the problem is that i extracted the latest version to help me get rid of a problem with my nova-t 500 card. So I downloaded latest hg version | 10:08 |
| superm1_ | right | 10:08 |
| borga2 | But I ended up with a broken knc1 card and a what seems to be a working nova?! :-( | 10:08 |
| superm1_ | oh that's quite a shame | 10:09 |
| borga2 | So I would like to downgrade to a previous working version to try to locate the problem. | 10:09 |
| laga_ | use git-bisect? | 10:09 |
| borga2 | And that is?! | 10:10 |
| laga_ | google?! | 10:10 |
| === laga_ hasn't had a lot of food today so apologies for any grumpiness | ||
| borga2 | hehe | 10:11 |
| borga2 | google works, but it's allways easier to get some actual hands on help | 10:11 |
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