=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mythtv.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Topic for #ubuntu-mythtv: "Welcome to #ubuntu-mythtv:: Website is DOWN. Alpha 3 is available at http://mirror.polorix.net/index.php?dir=Mythbuntu in the meanwhile :: Paste logs @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org :: See our wiki for setting up and troubleshooting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV" === Topic (#ubuntu-mythtv): set by superm1 at Mon Aug 6 19:26:44 2007 === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:40] superm1_: any news on mythbuntu.org; I tried phoning imbrandon the other day - but no reply [09:57] Daviey, you here? [09:57] yet [09:57] you tried to phone him too? [09:58] yeah [09:58] the other day.. no reply [10:03] Well i phoned him friday [10:03] and spoke for a moment [10:03] and have had a few line of text here and there [10:03] but nothing that explains whats going on here even [10:04] i contacted someone in canonical to see the feasibility of hosting on a canonical box, and it looks like we'd be able to fit into the loco team boxes [10:04] so i'm giving imbrandon till tomorrow to get a reasonable explanation [10:04] and/or up and running [10:04] otherwise, i'll get the ball rolling on setting this up on another box [10:08] this whole thing really isn't cool though [10:08] none of /var/www is backed up - including the new theme, and also the gpg key for the package signer is on there === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === cooper77 [n=epieper@169.203.82.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:56] anyone know when does the dow jones start trading? [03:10] no [03:11] I wiki'ed it [03:11] was wondering how it'll take the market news today [03:11] market news? [03:12] i didn't have time for a long breakfast so i just skipped through the newspaper [03:12] they closesd down 3% yesterday [03:12] FTSE100 is currently 3% down again, big losers are all banks [03:13] Central banks world wide are pumping alot more money in than normal [03:15] weather is totally fscked up here [03:15] it's august and it's raining all the time [03:15] it was like that here (UK) for all of June/July [03:16] well [03:16] that's normal for UK, though [03:16] imho ;) [03:16] not really [03:17] it's actually cold === pteague_work [n=xx10727@ip72-213-145-156.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === superm1_ [i=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:33] keescook, you here? === bdmurray [n=bdmurray@mylar.outflux.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:45] hey superm1_ === seabag [n=seabag@70-101-97-67.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:45] hey laga_ [06:45] superm1_: i checked out falcon from bzr last night and played with buildd support. it's not quite there yet but looking good [06:46] laga_, does it use pbuilder or sbuild? [06:46] or do its own thing === kikko__ is now known as kikko_ === kikko_ is now known as kikko__ === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:48] superm1_: it uses pbuilder [06:48] ah so you can use pbuilder-gdebi for it [06:49] superm1_: well, you can specify your own build command.. i filed a few bug reports which were closed as invalid. he doesn't want bug reports because it's not a release yet [06:49] yes [06:49] laga_, your on kubuntu right? [06:49] yes [06:50] can you check out the bzr branch for mythbuntu-control-centre, and just run the script (dont build the package) [06:50] and see if it detects your system correctly [06:50] it won't make any modifications yet, i'm just working on the system query stuff for it === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Ex-Chat"] [06:51] sure === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:53] my gutsy pbuilder is still broken. *sigh* [06:54] well, might just take some time for de.archive.ubuntu.com to update [06:54] superm1_: here, but distracted. lirc upload? [06:54] keescook, yes if possible :) [06:54] how'd you know? [06:54] bug 129038 [06:55] Launchpad bug 129038 in lirc "lirc overwrote my lircd.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129038 [06:55] I saw the bug mail go by. :) [06:55] rawk, I'll get it spun up, I've doing some other sponsoring right now too [07:09] superm1_: the control centre depends on the lirc module i guess [07:09] yes laga_ [07:09] you can comment those lines out for now [07:09] if you dont have it installed [07:09] its just 3 includes [07:09] err imports [07:09] i'll just install it [07:09] (the code to use it to write out the results isn't in yet) [07:28] control center that depends on lirc..sounds interesting [07:28] superm1_: lirc uploaded. :) thanks for tracking down the fixes. [07:28] thanks keescook [07:28] jams, http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre [07:28] jams: it depends on a lirc module for the control centre :) [07:28] you can see some captures from yesterday's gui, i'm still working on more [07:28] superm1_: i'll try it later, gotta run to the shops now === Tari [n=Tari@CPE-72-133-204-1.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:29] interesting..looks good [07:30] isthat gtk? [07:30] yes [07:31] it will be usable as a mythtv installer on ubuntu boxes, or a control area on mythbuntu boxes [07:32] for the remote's do youhave a largish collectin or lirc files? I'm thinking of settings up something to get them all in one place. Specificly for cable boxes [07:32] jams, are you on gutsy? [07:32] you can see what is there for the collection [07:32] oh no... [07:32] lirc now ships a lirc.hwdb [07:32] at the risk of being yelled at, i'm not a ubunta person [07:32] which maps remote names to module lists and a lircd.confs [07:33] so upon lirc install now, you choose your remote, and it preloads the appropriate modules and lircd.conf [07:33] and saves those settings for the next boot [07:33] right..makes perfect sense [07:33] to generate a lircrc, foxbuntu and i wrote mythbuntu-lirc-generator [07:33] which parses the lircd.conf [07:33] and makes a sane lircrc [07:34] and now this control centre further expands upon that by making it easy to choose your remote and change and regenerate from a gui [07:35] also, gutsy ships with all the lirc modules prebuilt in the linux-ubuntu-modules package [07:35] so you won't need to recompile any of them yourself upon kernel upgrades [07:35] not an ubuntu person? what brings you in here then :) [07:36] oh i see..it's something recent with lirc [07:37] yea the ubuntu media center guys have a pretty in depth lirc spec to fix things upstream [07:37] and make it more pleasant [07:37] i've worked with them on improving the ubuntu side of things [07:37] for now, for gutsy, until everything is sane upstream [07:38] got it. [07:39] to answer your question, i'm just interested in how mythbunta is getting along. [07:39] gotta keep laga_ on his toes! [07:40] well having the website down has really been bad... [07:40] yes i imagine it would be [07:41] and no one can get ahold of imbrandon to get a straight answer out of him [07:41] he hasn't responded to my last email [07:41] and we're running on a week now of downtime [07:41] i don't know if things are free for you or not. But i have found linode to be a good hosting company. [07:42] well imbrandon was hosting for free for us [07:42] little light on performance (as they are virtual machines) but it'w workedwell for me [07:42] if he doesn't come back around i'm gonna move things over to a canonical server [07:43] only problem is that I wouldn't have root on such a box likely, so some of the nicer things that were done (cd builds need root), will need to be done locally and uploaded [07:43] understand that [07:43] but i'd prefer to not invest money in hosting, i already invest enough time here :) [07:43] yep [07:44] does mythbunta have an /etc/mythbunta-release file or some other way to brand it as mythbunta vs ubunta? [07:46] well since everything is uploaded in ubuntu archives, its more of a reconfiguration of ubuntu rather than a derivative [07:46] that can easily be switched between having a desktop or not [07:47] hmm ok [07:50] after that control centre is finished up, adding the desktop role back to an mythbuntu box should just be a matter of checking one of those radio buttons [07:52] i asked because i'm working on a project that will report back the os and hardware config for a mythbox. I thought reporting back mythbunta of ubunta might have some value, but it doesn't matter to me. [07:52] Report back to where? [07:53] for now it will report back to me and i will publish the results. But depending how things go it could end up on mythtv.org. [07:53] i'm just thinking out loud, nothing set in stone [07:54] forget i mentioned it until i have something more concrete =) [07:55] well i say this because are you intending this to go into mythtv? [07:55] as an option to report back? [07:55] yep [07:55] an opt in sort of thing [07:55] yep [07:55] have you talked to the devs about it? [07:55] yep [07:56] and how was their feedback? === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:56] please, i would hate it if my mythbox reported back somehting that i couldn't view or initiate [07:57] well hence it being op-in [07:57] correct [07:58] well i think it sounds like quite a useful idea [07:58] thats the general reception, with concerns of privacy and all that jazz [07:59] don't go stealing my idea! [07:59] haha, don't worry [07:59] i'd rather see it upstream rather than a mythbuntu specific thing either way [08:00] oh course [08:01] but in terms of myth i see value in mythbunta vs ubunta [08:01] well i'm not sure there will be much of a distinction any more should this control centre pick up [08:01] and people start to use it to manage/do regular installs [08:03] so the control centre will/might end up in the ubunta repo? [08:03] if so then i see your point [08:03] any way i should get back to work, nice chatting with you [08:04] okay see you === laga_ backports lirc from gutsy to feisty... === superm1_ already has done such procedures. if he had webspace on mythbuntu.org still, he would have uploaded it there [08:13] superm1_: did you see axel thimm's offer? [08:13] he offered you webspace on atrpms [08:13] No? [08:13] you already have an account there [08:13] oh i forgot i have space there [08:13] that's right [08:14] laga_, what offer are you referring to? [08:14] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283399#283399 [08:15] ah yes [08:15] i wouldn't have seen that until later tonight [08:15] when i opened up tbird [08:15] well at least for -fixes for now, i guess that can work [08:15] i could offer lots of webspace, too, but i'm too concerned about distributing stuff like libdvdcss and friends [08:16] although ppa might make more sense [08:16] for the -fixes [08:16] yes [08:16] does it already work? [08:16] well kinda [08:16] the uploads have to be timed right [08:17] so that you don't build mythplugins until mythtv has built [08:17] so it doesn't work [08:17] :) === jams cracks the whip towards laga_ [08:18] no idle chit chat..back to work! [08:18] if anything, i'll do the builds on ppa, and sync them to atrpms [08:18] with falcon [08:19] jams: what work? :) [08:21] i wonder why apt keeps complaining about unsigned packages from de.archive.ubuntu.com on my box [08:21] maybe i'm missing a key from my keyring [08:22] dput is also not very useful with falcon since you can't easily pass it a component [08:24] superm1_: control centre fails with "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf' [08:24] " [08:24] i've touched the file and it's working [08:24] maybe such things could be handled more gracefully [08:24] laga_, ah that's another thing that is in gutsy packages [08:25] oh but only if mythtv-database exists [08:25] good point [08:26] let me know when the control centre is ready to be translated [08:26] how to get it translatable, i'm not sure [08:27] superm1_: control centre detects "kubuntu desktop" as "desktop role" if that's what you wanted to know [08:27] superm1_: the control centre looks very good, btw. great job. [08:28] laga_, okay great so it saw kubuntu-desktop [08:28] good good [08:29] tell me great job once it does things :) at this point it's a glorified app for gathering info :) [08:30] i had another interesting idea but i forgot. duh. [08:30] superm1_: are we already loading nividia-settings when starting X? [08:30] yes [08:30] good good [08:30] in the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package's login script at least [08:30] that's good enough :) [08:30] if its a desktop, then its up to the user [08:31] superm1_: it's written in python and glade, right? [08:31] yes [08:32] i'll found how to translate stuff [08:33] i think the same way ubiquity handles it is likely the way to go === DaveMorris [n=dave@host-212-158-244-26.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:07] superm1_: seems like intltool is the way to go for translations [09:08] laga_, the way that ubiquity does it, all text is in the .templates file in debian/ [09:08] and then in the initialization stage, it's overridden appropriately === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [09:10] superm1_: ubiqity seems to be using intltool [09:10] is it a python module? [09:11] hum [09:11] DESCRIPTION intltool-extract extracts strings in the specified XML/INI type SOURCE_FILE and writes them into a C header file. Then xgettext(1) can merge these strings inside header file into po template. [09:11] intltool-extract is usually not executed manually, but called from intltool-update(8) instead. [09:12] i'll play around with it and let you know [09:12] k [09:17] seems to be easy [09:18] well if you want to add translation support to, be my guest :) [09:19] i'm going to [09:19] need some food first === cooper77 [n=epieper@169.203.82.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === BlacksMyth [n=Steven@66-189-123-112.static.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === borga2 [n=IceChat7@c-d119e255.1052-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:02] Does anyone know which version of v4l-dvb that comes with ubuntu 7.04? [10:03] borga2, it's the version that shipped with the kernel in 7.04, nothing special [10:03] its not a special snapshot after that kernel release [10:04] Hmm actually it is version 2.6.21 of the kernel [10:05] 7.04 shipped with a 2.6.20 kernel i had thought? [10:06] yes that's right, so I thought that v4l was a separate module/program [10:06] this i18n business is confusing [10:07] well v4l is indeed a sep project, but they are included in the kernel now. so development happens outside the kernel tree [10:07] but they regularly sync in [10:08] the problem is that i extracted the latest version to help me get rid of a problem with my nova-t 500 card. So I downloaded latest hg version [10:08] right [10:08] But I ended up with a broken knc1 card and a what seems to be a working nova?! :-( [10:09] oh that's quite a shame [10:09] So I would like to downgrade to a previous working version to try to locate the problem. [10:09] use git-bisect? [10:10] And that is?! [10:10] google?! === laga_ hasn't had a lot of food today so apologies for any grumpiness [10:11] hehe [10:11] google works, but it's allways easier to get some actual hands on help