[09:40] <Daviey> superm1_: any news on mythbuntu.org; I tried phoning imbrandon the other day - but no reply
[09:57] <superm1_> Daviey, you here?
[09:57] <superm1_> yet
[09:57] <superm1_> you tried to phone him too?
[09:58] <Daviey> yeah
[09:58] <Daviey> the other day.. no reply
[10:03] <superm1_> Well i phoned him friday
[10:03] <superm1_> and spoke for a moment
[10:03] <superm1_> and have had a few line of text here and there
[10:03] <superm1_> but nothing that explains whats going on here even
[10:04] <superm1_> i contacted someone in canonical to see the feasibility of hosting on a canonical box, and it looks like we'd be able to fit into the loco team boxes
[10:04] <superm1_> so i'm giving imbrandon till tomorrow to get a reasonable explanation
[10:04] <superm1_> and/or up and running
[10:04] <superm1_> otherwise, i'll get the ball rolling on setting this up on another box
[10:08] <superm1_> this whole thing really isn't cool though
[10:08] <superm1_> none of /var/www is backed up - including the new theme, and also the gpg key for the package signer is on there
[02:56] <DaveMorris> anyone know when does the dow jones start trading?
[03:10] <laga_> no
[03:11] <DaveMorris> I wiki'ed it
[03:11] <DaveMorris> was wondering how it'll take the market news today
[03:11] <laga_> market news?
[03:12] <laga_> i didn't have time for a long breakfast so i just skipped through the newspaper
[03:12] <DaveMorris> they closesd down 3% yesterday
[03:12] <DaveMorris> FTSE100 is currently 3% down again, big losers are all banks
[03:13] <DaveMorris> Central banks world wide are pumping alot more money in than normal
[03:15] <laga_> weather is totally fscked up here
[03:15] <laga_> it's august and it's raining all the time
[03:15] <DaveMorris> it was like that here (UK) for all of June/July
[03:16] <laga_> well
[03:16] <laga_> that's normal for UK, though
[03:16] <laga_> imho ;)
[03:16] <DaveMorris> not really
[03:17] <laga_> it's actually cold
[06:33] <superm1_> keescook, you here?
[06:45] <laga_> hey superm1_
[06:45] <superm1_> hey laga_
[06:45] <laga_> superm1_: i checked out falcon from bzr last night and played with buildd support. it's not quite there yet but looking good
[06:46] <superm1_> laga_, does it use pbuilder or sbuild?
[06:46] <superm1_> or do its own thing
[06:48] <laga_> superm1_: it uses pbuilder
[06:48] <superm1_> ah so you can use pbuilder-gdebi for it
[06:49] <laga_> superm1_: well, you can specify your own build command.. i filed a few bug reports which were closed as invalid. he doesn't want bug reports because it's not a release yet
[06:49] <laga_> yes
[06:49] <superm1_> laga_, your on kubuntu right?
[06:49] <laga_> yes
[06:50] <superm1_> can you check out the bzr branch for mythbuntu-control-centre, and just run the script (dont build the package)
[06:50] <superm1_> and see if it detects your system correctly
[06:50] <superm1_> it won't make any modifications yet, i'm just working on the system query stuff for it
[06:51] <laga_> sure
[06:53] <laga_> my gutsy pbuilder is still broken. *sigh*
[06:54] <laga_> well, might just take some time for de.archive.ubuntu.com to update
[06:54] <keescook> superm1_: here, but distracted.  lirc upload?
[06:54] <superm1_> keescook, yes if possible :)
[06:54] <superm1_> how'd you know?
[06:54] <superm1_> bug 129038
[06:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129038 in lirc "lirc overwrote my lircd.conf" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129038
[06:55] <keescook> I saw the bug mail go by.  :)
[06:55] <keescook> rawk, I'll get it spun up, I've doing some other sponsoring right now too
[07:09] <laga_> superm1_: the control centre depends on the lirc module i guess
[07:09] <superm1_> yes laga_
[07:09] <superm1_> you can comment those lines out for now
[07:09] <superm1_> if you dont have it installed
[07:09] <superm1_> its just 3 includes
[07:09] <superm1_> err imports
[07:09] <laga_> i'll just install it
[07:09] <superm1_> (the code to use it to write out the results isn't in yet)
[07:28] <jams> control center that depends on lirc..sounds interesting
[07:28] <keescook> superm1_: lirc uploaded.  :)  thanks for tracking down the fixes.
[07:28] <superm1_> thanks keescook
[07:28] <superm1_> jams, http://home.eng.iastate.edu/~superm1/centre
[07:28] <laga_> jams: it depends on a lirc module for the control centre :)
[07:28] <superm1_> you can see some captures from yesterday's gui, i'm still working on more
[07:28] <laga_> superm1_: i'll try it later, gotta run to the shops now
[07:29] <jams> interesting..looks good
[07:30] <jams> isthat gtk?
[07:30] <superm1_> yes
[07:31] <superm1_> it will be usable as a mythtv installer on ubuntu boxes, or a control area on mythbuntu boxes
[07:32] <jams> for the remote's do youhave a largish collectin or lirc files?  I'm thinking of settings up something to get them all in one place.  Specificly for cable boxes
[07:32] <superm1_> jams, are you on gutsy?
[07:32] <superm1_> you can see what is there for the collection
[07:32] <jams> oh no...
[07:32] <superm1_> lirc now ships a lirc.hwdb
[07:32] <jams> at the risk of being yelled at, i'm not a ubunta person
[07:32] <superm1_> which maps remote names to module lists and a lircd.confs
[07:33] <superm1_> so upon lirc install now, you choose your remote, and it preloads the appropriate modules and lircd.conf
[07:33] <superm1_> and saves those settings for the next boot
[07:33] <jams> right..makes perfect sense
[07:33] <superm1_> to generate a lircrc, foxbuntu and i wrote mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[07:33] <superm1_> which parses the lircd.conf
[07:33] <superm1_> and makes a sane lircrc
[07:34] <superm1_> and now this control centre further expands upon that by making it easy to choose your remote and change and regenerate from a gui
[07:35] <superm1_> also, gutsy ships with all the lirc modules prebuilt in the linux-ubuntu-modules package
[07:35] <superm1_> so you won't need to recompile any of them yourself upon kernel upgrades
[07:35] <superm1_> not an ubuntu person?  what brings you in here then :)
[07:36] <jams> oh i see..it's something recent with lirc
[07:37] <superm1_> yea the ubuntu media center guys have a pretty in depth lirc spec to fix things upstream
[07:37] <superm1_> and make it more pleasant
[07:37] <superm1_> i've worked with them on improving the ubuntu side of things
[07:37] <superm1_> for now, for gutsy, until everything is sane upstream
[07:38] <jams> got it.
[07:39] <jams> to answer your question, i'm just interested in how mythbunta is getting along.
[07:39] <jams> gotta keep laga_  on his toes!
[07:40] <superm1_> well having the website down has really been bad...
[07:40] <jams> yes i imagine it would be
[07:41] <superm1_> and no one can get ahold of imbrandon to get a straight answer out of him
[07:41] <superm1_> he hasn't responded to my last email
[07:41] <superm1_> and we're running on a week now of downtime
[07:41] <jams> i don't know if things are free for you or not. But i have found linode to be a good hosting company.
[07:42] <superm1_> well imbrandon was hosting for free for us
[07:42] <jams> little light on performance (as they are virtual machines)  but it'w workedwell for me
[07:42] <superm1_> if he doesn't come back around i'm gonna move things over to a canonical server
[07:43] <superm1_> only problem is that I wouldn't have root on such a box likely, so some of the nicer things that were done (cd builds need root), will need to be done locally and uploaded
[07:43] <jams> understand that
[07:43] <superm1_> but i'd prefer to not invest money in hosting, i already invest enough time here :)
[07:43] <jams> yep
[07:44] <jams> does mythbunta have an /etc/mythbunta-release file  or some other way to brand it as mythbunta  vs ubunta?
[07:46] <superm1_> well since everything is uploaded in ubuntu archives, its more of a reconfiguration of ubuntu rather than a derivative
[07:46] <superm1_> that can easily be switched between having a desktop or not
[07:47] <jams> hmm ok
[07:50] <superm1_> after that control centre is finished up, adding the desktop role back to an mythbuntu box should just be a matter of checking one of those radio buttons
[07:52] <jams> i asked because i'm working on a project that will report back the os  and hardware config for a mythbox.  I thought reporting back mythbunta of ubunta might have some value, but it doesn't matter to me.
[07:52] <superm1_> Report back to where?
[07:53] <jams> for now it will report back to me and i will publish the results.  But depending how things go it could end up on mythtv.org.
[07:53] <jams> i'm just thinking out loud, nothing set in stone
[07:54] <jams> forget i mentioned it until i have something more concrete =)
[07:55] <superm1_> well i say this because are you intending this to go into mythtv?
[07:55] <superm1_> as an option to report back?
[07:55] <jams> yep
[07:55] <superm1_> an opt in sort of thing
[07:55] <jams> yep
[07:55] <superm1_> have you talked to the devs about it?
[07:55] <jams> yep
[07:56] <superm1_> and how was their feedback?
[07:56] <jams> please, i would hate it  if my mythbox reported back somehting that i couldn't view or initiate
[07:57] <superm1_> well hence it being op-in
[07:57] <jams> correct
[07:58] <superm1_> well i think it sounds like quite a useful idea
[07:58] <jams> thats the general reception, with concerns of privacy and all that jazz
[07:59] <jams> don't go stealing my idea!
[07:59] <superm1_> haha, don't worry
[07:59] <superm1_> i'd rather see it upstream rather than a mythbuntu specific thing either way
[08:00] <jams> oh course
[08:01] <jams> but in terms of myth  i see value in mythbunta vs ubunta
[08:01] <superm1_> well i'm not sure there will be much of a distinction any more should this control centre pick up
[08:01] <superm1_> and people start to use it to manage/do regular installs
[08:03] <jams> so the control centre will/might end up in the ubunta repo?
[08:03] <jams> if so then i see your point
[08:03] <jams> any way i should get back to work, nice chatting with you
[08:04] <superm1_> okay see you
[08:13] <laga_> superm1_: did you see axel thimm's offer?
[08:13] <laga_> he offered you webspace on atrpms
[08:13] <superm1_> No?
[08:13] <laga_> you already have an account there
[08:13] <superm1_> oh i forgot i have space there
[08:13] <superm1_> that's right
[08:14] <superm1_> laga_, what offer are you referring to?
[08:14] <laga_> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283399#283399
[08:15] <superm1_> ah yes
[08:15] <superm1_> i wouldn't have seen that until later tonight
[08:15] <superm1_> when i opened up tbird
[08:15] <superm1_> well at least for -fixes for now, i guess that can work
[08:15] <laga_> i could offer lots of webspace, too, but i'm too concerned about distributing stuff like libdvdcss and friends
[08:16] <superm1_> although ppa might make more sense
[08:16] <superm1_> for the -fixes
[08:16] <laga_> yes
[08:16] <laga_> does it already work?
[08:16] <superm1_> well kinda
[08:16] <superm1_> the uploads have to be timed right
[08:17] <superm1_> so that you don't build mythplugins until mythtv has built
[08:17] <laga_> so it doesn't work
[08:17] <laga_> :)
[08:18] <jams> no idle chit chat..back to work!
[08:18] <superm1_> if anything, i'll do the builds on ppa, and sync them to atrpms
[08:18] <superm1_> with falcon
[08:19] <laga_> jams: what work? :)
[08:21] <laga_> i wonder why apt keeps complaining about unsigned packages from de.archive.ubuntu.com on my box
[08:21] <laga_> maybe i'm missing a key from my keyring
[08:22] <laga_> dput is also not very useful with falcon since you can't easily pass it a component
[08:24] <laga_> superm1_: control centre fails with "IOError: [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: '/etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf'
[08:24] <laga_> "
[08:24] <laga_> i've touched the file and it's working
[08:24] <laga_> maybe such things could be handled more gracefully
[08:24] <superm1_> laga_, ah that's another thing that is in gutsy packages
[08:25] <superm1_> oh but only if mythtv-database exists
[08:25] <superm1_> good point
[08:26] <laga_> let me know when the control centre is ready to be translated
[08:26] <superm1_> how to get it translatable, i'm not sure
[08:27] <laga_> superm1_: control centre detects "kubuntu desktop" as "desktop role" if that's what you wanted to know
[08:27] <laga_> superm1_: the control centre looks very good, btw. great job.
[08:28] <superm1_> laga_, okay great so it saw kubuntu-desktop
[08:28] <superm1_> good good
[08:29] <superm1_> tell me great job once it does things :)  at this point it's a glorified app for gathering info :)
[08:30] <laga_> i had another interesting idea but i forgot. duh.
[08:30] <laga_> superm1_: are we already loading nividia-settings when starting X?
[08:30] <superm1_> yes
[08:30] <laga_> good good
[08:30] <superm1_> in the ubuntu-mythtv-frontend package's login script at least
[08:30] <laga_> that's good enough :)
[08:30] <superm1_> if its a desktop, then its up to the user
[08:31] <laga_> superm1_: it's written in python and glade, right?
[08:31] <superm1_> yes
[08:32] <laga_> i'll found how to translate stuff
[08:33] <superm1_> i think the same way ubiquity handles it is likely the way to go
[09:07] <laga_> superm1_: seems like intltool is the way to go for translations
[09:08] <superm1_> laga_, the way that ubiquity does it, all text is in the .templates file in debian/
[09:08] <superm1_> and then in the initialization stage, it's overridden appropriately
[09:10] <laga_> superm1_: ubiqity seems to be using intltool
[09:10] <superm1_> is it a python module?
[09:11] <laga_> hum
[09:11] <laga_> DESCRIPTION intltool-extract  extracts  strings  in the specified XML/INI type SOURCE_FILE and writes them into a C header file. Then xgettext(1) can merge these strings  inside  header  file into po template.
[09:11] <laga_> intltool-extract  is  usually  not  executed manually, but called from intltool-update(8) instead.
[09:12] <laga_> i'll play around with it and let you know
[09:12] <superm1_> k
[09:17] <laga_> seems to be easy
[09:18] <superm1_> well if you want to add translation support to, be my guest :)
[09:19] <laga_> i'm going to
[09:19] <laga_> need some food first
[10:02] <borga2> Does anyone know which version of v4l-dvb that comes with ubuntu 7.04?
[10:03] <superm1_> borga2, it's the version that shipped with the kernel in 7.04, nothing special
[10:03] <superm1_> its not a special snapshot after that kernel release
[10:04] <borga2> Hmm actually it is version 2.6.21 of the kernel
[10:05] <superm1_> 7.04 shipped with a 2.6.20 kernel i had thought?
[10:06] <borga2> yes that's right, so I thought that v4l was a separate module/program
[10:06] <laga_> this i18n business is confusing
[10:07] <superm1_> well v4l is indeed a sep project, but they are included in the kernel now.   so development happens outside the kernel tree
[10:07] <superm1_> but they regularly sync in
[10:08] <borga2> the problem is that i extracted the latest version to help me get rid of a problem with my nova-t 500 card. So I downloaded latest hg version
[10:08] <superm1_> right
[10:08] <borga2> But I ended up with a broken knc1 card and a what seems to be a working nova?! :-(
[10:09] <superm1_> oh that's quite a shame
[10:09] <borga2> So I would like to downgrade to a previous working version to try to locate the problem.
[10:09] <laga_> use git-bisect?
[10:10] <borga2> And that is?!
[10:10] <laga_> google?!
[10:11] <borga2> hehe
[10:11] <borga2> google works, but it's allways easier to get some actual hands on help