[07:01] <DaSkreech> Expecting an attack?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> uh oh...
[07:07] <DaSkreech> Well now if Microsoft can just sue us for patent infringement we will be well on our way to smooth sailing
[07:08] <DaSkreech> (ignoring all internal fights of course)
[07:08] <DaSkreech> mhb: how was Freespire?
[07:09] <manchicken> Naw, I'm about to close on this house, and I'm worried that I have no idea how to maintain it.
[07:10] <manchicken> I think I'm worried that I have no idea, because I have no idea.
[07:17] <DaSkreech> What's wrong?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it's all messing up
[07:18] <DaSkreech> the Uni?
[07:19] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: basically, i changed degrees, and there was a full year unit that i was enrolled in, which required me to be doing the old degree.  i've now been completely pulled out of that unit.
[07:19] <DaSkreech> ah
[07:19] <DaSkreech> transfers
[07:19] <Hobbsee> this is after lots of fun about the uni system falling over, so they couldnt put thru my transfer prior to this
[07:20] <Hobbsee> so, the unit enrollment date was yesterday
[07:21] <DaSkreech> >_<
[07:36] <manchicken> Does anybody know what happened to the bookmark manager in konq for gutsy?
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: adept, kdebase, kdeutils + alot of dependencies is rebuilt. No changes required yet, and no signs of i386. Currently building kdemultimedia
[12:16] <_StefanS_> and kdegames now
[12:19] <Riddell> great
[01:07] <TheInfinity> hello ... bugs known about k3b?
[01:07] <TheInfinity> in gutsy? :)
[01:35] <screemo> TheInfinity: check launchpad
[01:36] <TheInfinity> was nothing there -> bug reported
[01:36] <TheInfinity> next bug ... :/
[02:05] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yay, someone who finished it later than i did!
[02:07] <TheInfinity> hmm
[02:07] <TheInfinity> how can i debug knetworkmanager?
[02:07] <TheInfinity> it does not show my rj45 LAN
[02:07] <TheInfinity> but i dont know why ...
[02:09] <_StefanS_> TheInfinity: apt-get source knetworkmanager, cd <sourcedir>, export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip, debuild -nc, start it from konsole
[02:10] <_StefanS_> TheInfinity: make sure you have the deb-src enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:10] <_StefanS_> uh, donno if it works installing the *dbg packages for knetworkmanager though.
[02:10] <TheInfinity> i have gutsy ... btw :9
[02:11] <TheInfinity> hmm
[02:11] <TheInfinity> seems to be a problem of NetworkManager daemon
[02:11] <TheInfinity> not of the kde frontend ...
[02:12] <_StefanS_> TheInfinity: well you have to actually configure your network interface using the kde's tools for it to show in knm .
[02:12] <_StefanS_> TheInfinity: usually works that way for me.
[02:13] <_StefanS_> my e1000 doesnt show until I do that.
[02:13] <TheInfinity> _StefanS_: the funny thing is: kde always knows my networkds adapter. if i go to kde settings -> no prob
[02:13] <TheInfinity> but networkmanager does not like it sometimes
[02:13] <_StefanS_> TheInfinity: knm and kde is not that good friends I might add.
[02:14] <TheInfinity> i dont use kde to configure
[02:14] <TheInfinity> i just see - kde GUI shows me the networkadapter
[02:14] <TheInfinity> knm not :)
[02:14] <_StefanS_> yep
[02:15] <Riddell> czessi_: are there going to be any kubuntu talks at froscon?
[02:15] <_StefanS_> select manual configuration
[02:15] <TheInfinity> hmm ... it seems to be a problem of starting. if i restart networkmanager it works perfect. if i boot most times it does not work ...
[02:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: found a bug in the libdc1394-1.1.0 package. It just needs lpia added.
[02:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its in your mail
[02:18] <Riddell> don't see it yet
[02:19] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[02:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: fixed a but in libmodplug as well
[02:19] <_StefanS_> but/bug :D
[02:19] <Riddell> _StefanS_: got it
[02:19] <_StefanS_> buttbug.
[02:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: libmodplug-0.7 fix is in your mail
[02:22] <TheInfinity> and another prob: any probs known with powermanager? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/power-manager/+bug/130388
[02:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130388 in power-manager "PowerManager crashes when login via vnc" [Undecided,New] 
[02:24] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what was wrong with automake that needed to be changed?
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: aclocal.m4 was created with automake1.9 but the default for gutsy is 1.10
[02:25] <Riddell> _StefanS_: and that caused a problem?
[02:26] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep automake bailed out with an error
[02:26] <Riddell> go automake :)
[02:26] <_StefanS_> heh
[02:27] <Riddell> oh I see, it build-deps on automake1.9, but then calls whatever the default automake is
[02:27] <_StefanS_> Riddell: right: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33328/
[02:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kdegames is done aswell, and I'm working on kdemultimedia
[02:28] <Riddell> great
[02:29] <Riddell> libmodplug and libdc1394 uploaded
[02:29] <_StefanS_> perfect
[02:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I couldn't get networkstatus to work inside kdelibs btw..
[02:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems like I'm missing a configure.in.in file
[02:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and it doesn't compile it like other subdirs when doing the debuild
[02:50] <Riddell> hmm, ok
[02:50] <Riddell> thanks for trying
[02:50] <Riddell> curious though
[02:50] <Riddell> did you rerun make -f admin/Makefile.common ?
[03:01] <_StefanS_> err no :)
[03:01] <_StefanS_> I will try that now
[03:02] <_StefanS_> didn't know about it :)
[03:02] <_StefanS_> that will probably help alot :D
[03:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kdemultimedia is done :D
[03:02] <_StefanS_> on to kdeaddons..
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wooho.. it seems like the makefile is now generated for networkstatus
[03:09] <_StefanS_> kdeaddons is compiling.
[03:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm, dnssd craps out after that make -f has been run
[03:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: related to avahi.. which I have installed with -dev packages and all
[03:31] <Riddell> try  make -f debian/rules buildprep
[03:31] <Riddell> or are you not working with packaging yet?
[03:37] <_StefanS_> I'm working with the packaging, and everything should be fine
[03:38] <_StefanS_> its running the buidprep now.. lets hope it works
[03:39] <_StefanS_> do I need to rerun make -f admin/Makefile.common afterwards?
[03:46] <Riddell> no, buildprep includes it
[03:51] <_StefanS_> ok
[03:53] <_StefanS_> seems like it got past ddnsd now..
[03:54] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:07] <manchicken> Why are there so many KDE IDEs out there/
[04:08] <manchicken> I'm trying to find something super-simple to start packaging with.
[04:08] <manchicken> I'm trying to find a subversion KIO slave... because that's something I kinda need.
[04:08] <manchicken> I guess I could look for things needing packaging....
[04:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the compile for networkstatus works :)
[04:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: is it supposed to be a separate package?
[04:31] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: the compile for networkstatus works :)
[04:31] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: is it supposed to be a separate package?
[04:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: a separate binary package yes
[04:32] <Riddell> just copy the .install and debian/control description from kdepim (and update as necessary)
[04:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I did
[04:33] <Riddell> so, sorted :)
[04:33] <_StefanS_> yep I guess so.. I just thought I would get a .deb file for networkstatus
[04:33] <_StefanS_> only thing is a missing man-entry, but I just commented it out
[04:35] <Riddell> you should
[04:35] <Riddell> get a .deb file
[04:36] <_StefanS_> could it be the Section: things?
[04:36] <_StefanS_> let me paste ti
[04:36] <_StefanS_> it
[04:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33347/
[04:44] <Riddell> _StefanS_: that looks fine, assuming its at the end of debian/control
[04:44] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: finished?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: HP 7 (was reading backscroll)
[04:45] <ryanakca> Ah, hehe :)
[04:45] <ryanakca> Took me a day :)
[04:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it is
[04:50] <Riddell> mbiebl: there is a subversion kio slave
[04:51] <Riddell> manchicken rather
[04:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: I expect it would break stuff, although I don't know what
[04:51] <Riddell> _StefanS_: and does anything get packaged in the build logs?
[04:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: where should I find the build logs?
[04:52] <Riddell> ../*build
[04:52] <mbiebl> Riddell: Yes there are several, actually.
[04:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: how do you recover debuild if you have a half-applied patch?
[05:08] <jdong> Riddell: can you sponsor debdiff on bug 130300?
[05:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130300 in ktorrent "[gutsy]  ktorrent 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 crash when I quit the program when uPnP plugin is loaded" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130300
[05:08] <jdong> fixes crash-on-exit
[05:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: depends on the situation, you can use patch manually if needed
[05:19] <Riddell> jdong: ok
[05:20] <Riddell> jdong: done
[05:20] <jdong> Riddell: thanks!
[05:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm. relatime is supossedly the best compromise, and it wouldn't break stuff, whereas noatime,nodiratime might break mutt and some mail server things... http://kerneltrap.org/node/14148
[05:37] <_StefanS_> bbl
[06:33] <ijuz> does somebody happen to know what is different when you run KDE and you press the suspend to ram button compared to you run KDE and you start as root the /etc/acpi/sleep.sh script?  (in the former case suspend/resume works, in tha later not) (gutsy)
[06:34] <nosrednaekim> !seen sebas
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen sebas - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:47] <Riddell> ijuz: kde just uses the hal interface
[06:53] <ijuz> Riddell: but imo the sleep btn. doesn't result in an key event, but just an acpi event, how can KDE intercept this?
[06:57] <jdong> urgh will investigate after I finish moving into my new room
[07:03] <jdong> mmm, I see
[07:03] <jdong> spacing got mangled somehow when I prepared the debdiff
[07:04] <jdong> that'll teach me to cut-and-paste debdiffs from now on
[07:04] <jdong> well... shame on me
[07:09] <Riddell> ijuz: the acpi scripts for the sleep button run dcop to call the logout box
[07:10] <ijuz> Riddell: ok, so i have to search and remove this, thanks
[07:46] <ijuz> Riddell: a box doesn't appear; when i remove the CheckPolicy check things also aren't really fixed; is there another way to keep this hal stuff away from acpi?
[07:46] <Riddell> don't run hal?
[07:48] <mhb> ijuz: it would be worthwhile to file a bug about it
[07:49] <mhb> ijuz: Kubuntu is not the problematic part here, I think filing it under "HAL" package in Ubuntu could be useful
[07:49] <ijuz> aaah, stupid me, there is a hald-addon-acpi
[07:51] <ijuz> the problem is just that i you can't even search for the filled bugs for a specific package, because launchpad seems to be somehow in early development
[07:52] <ijuz> stop, is the hal stuff not KDE specific?
[07:52] <mhb> ijuz: of course not
[07:52] <ijuz> oh
[07:52] <mhb> ijuz: you can search for it
[07:52] <ijuz> in gnome suspend works flawless
[07:52] <ijuz> no, you can't
[07:53] <ijuz> you can search but you can't browse per package
[07:53] <mhb> ijuz: surely you can
[07:53] <mhb> ijuz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+filebug
[07:53] <mhb> that's for filing a bug in HAL (when you type in your bug title it searches for similar reports)
[07:54] <ijuz> ok, you can browse per "project" but not by package
[07:54] <mhb> ijuz: you can see all bugs in HAL here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/
[07:54] <mhb> ijuz: you can see that it is a "package" of the Ubuntu project
[07:54] <mhb> (from the URL)
[07:55] <ijuz> yes, but there is no way to see all bugs filles again libc6 for example
[07:57] <ijuz> anyway, it can't be completely unrelated to kde, because as said, with gnome it just works
[07:58] <mhb> ijuz: does it? Interesting... ok, file it either under the "hal" package or the "kubuntu-meta" package, add your laptop/PC version and add also that it works in GNOME but not in KDE
[07:58] <mhb> ijuz: when you go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu , you can "Search for a package" there
[07:58] <mhb> ijuz: when you find a package, click on the "Bugs" tab on the top right and you will see all bugs for that particular package
[07:59] <ijuz> okok, you can search, it's just not as intuitive like the bts
[08:07] <mhb> ijuz: yeah, it could be :o)
[08:22] <ijuz> ok, reported...  it is a dell latitude d830 laptop... now i wonder if that is the same problem i have with suspend failures on my d810 with kernels >= 2.6.20 (one of the reasons why i bought a new laptop)
[08:24] <mhb> ijuz: thanks, could you please post the bug number?
[08:25] <ijuz> #131855
[08:26] <mhb> bug 131855
[08:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131855 in kubuntu-meta "suspend fails in KDE, but it works in GNOME" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131855
[08:29] <mhb> ijuz: if you can login to the computer via ssh but the screen stays blank it's usually the graphic card/monitor which fails to wake up
[08:29] <ijuz> damn, i should have noted that this also sometimes fails
[08:29] <ijuz> yes, but as said, this doesn't happen without KDE
[08:29] <mhb> ijuz: hmm
[08:30] <mhb> ijuz: if you have some free time, could you please help us identify this issue by attaching several debug information?
[08:30] <ijuz> aeh and also with KDE when i directly run sleep.sh it also works without any problems
[08:30] <ijuz> mhb: yes, but what debug info?
[08:30] <mhb> ijuz: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingACPI#head-1bf262bff5f88e3f419686076220db676a16c09b
[08:32] <mhb> ijuz: thank you
[08:39] <mhb> ijuz: oh, you're using Gutsy Gibbon, right?
[08:40] <mhb> ijuz: I must admit I've also encountered some issues while suspending in Kubuntu with my MacBook
[08:45] <mhb> ijuz: I'll try to investigate a bit once you attach your information.
[09:02] <jdong> when someone has a chance, please sponsor the 2nd debdiff on bug 130300
[09:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130300 in ktorrent "[gutsy]  ktorrent 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 crash when I quit the program when uPnP plugin is loaded" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130300
[09:02] <jdong> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8783343/debdiff-try-2
[09:08] <ijuz> mhb: attached
[09:44] <mhb> ijuz: thank you very much
[09:46] <ijuz> now i'm at least not the only one seeing the problem ;)
[09:48] <mhb> ijuz: that's good, better chance to get it fixed
[09:50] <mhb> ijuz: so if you just suspend/resume many times, it happens, do I understand it right?
[09:51] <ijuz> the double resume happens the first time, the corruption also can happen the first resume cycle
[09:52] <mhb> ijuz: okay, thanks!
[09:53] <ijuz> as said in KDE with sleep.sh it also works as it should
[09:55] <mhb> ijuz: yeah, I'm going to try to reproduce it. See you later!