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[07:02] (malnilion/#ubuntu+1) Man, the dodge effect is kind of annoying.
[07:02] <tehk> is there anyway to delete my compiz settingsand load the distro default? the default uses gconf.
[07:05] <crdlb> tehk, gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz
[07:05] <tehk> crdlb, thanks!
[07:14] <thelsdj> if i apt-get source, then change something inside the source directory, how do i recreate the diff and dsc files ?
[07:14] <thelsdj> (so if i then run pbuilder against the dsc file, it picks up my changes)
[07:19] <RAOF> thelsdj: debuild -S
[07:40] <se7en^Of^9> does skype work on gutsy ... anybody know
[07:40] <RAOF> Yes.
[07:40] <se7en^Of^9> :)
[08:04] <benanz1> I like the new printer GUI
[08:09] <dystopianray> so gutsy will have apparmor, but but it will be effectively inactive until a release after gutsy?
[08:13] <benanz1> I'm not sure of that.  It loads when I boot up.  I don't know if it's doing anything though.
[08:15] <dystopianray> the tribe 4 page on ubuntu.com says the apparmor profiles are in universe and aren't officially supported yet
[08:15] <dystopianray> I don't knwo if that means not supported until gutsy+1 or unsupported until a later point, closer to the release of gutsy
[08:16] <Hobbsee> could be either
[08:44] <iwarp62> can anyone help me get past this 404
[08:44] <iwarp62> I'm trying to upgrade to gutsy but I get a 404:(
[08:44] <Hobbsee> then remove the offending URL from your sources list
[08:45] <iwarp62> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.89.6 80]   it's safe to remove thatone??
[08:45] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:45] <Hobbsee> as it's only the commercial one
[08:46] <iwarp62> ok awesome thanks
[08:59] <leperkhanz> Anybody else getting super slow compiz?
[09:03] <hylje> arrrrrr wtf
[09:04] <hylje> sometimes randomly after recovering from suspend, X starts drawing stuff quite a few pixels to the left
[09:05] <hylje> while keeping input intact
[09:05] <hylje> it's rather annoying
[09:05] <RAOF> Cool
[09:06] <dystopianray> hylje: what video card?
[09:07] <hylje> nvidia, 6800
[09:07] <hylje> back when i had gentoo on the same hardware the problem didnt exist, although i didnt suspend either
[09:21] <shayne_> i keep getting these "spurious completion" messages to do with SATA: http://pastebin.com/m4a701306 ... anyone know what they mean?
[09:22] <databuddy> anyone know what pacakge cube-cap is in for compiz ?
[09:38] <yml> I am trying the new tribe4 and for some unknown reason I can use kopete ping google but not surf with konqueror. i am getting the foollowing error:An error occurred while loading http://ubuntu.com:Could not connect to host http://ubuntu.com/.
[09:39] <yml> It  would be nice if one of you could let me know what could cause the kind of stange behavior?
[09:41] <databuddy> try www.google.com
[09:41] <databuddy> or http://www.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <leperkhanz> Is there a newer qemulator that actually works in gutsy out anywhere?
[09:45] <yml> the pb is that I cannot use Internet
[09:46] <yml> because od this problem?
[09:50] <leperkhanz> Sorry, crashed... was there a response about qemulator?
[09:50] <leperkhanz> I can't get my VMs any networking under qemu launcher.
[09:54] <jdt> hello, I just updated from Feisty to Tribe 4, Open Office always fails to load and soffice consumes 100% processor. I first discovered this in Tribe 3. Is anyone else experiencing this with Tribe 4 and the OpenOffice 2.3 development version?
[09:55] <databuddy> flash still not working?
[09:56] <databuddy> jdt: open office working fine here
[09:57] <jdt> databuddy: Ok, thanks.. Are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?  Im actually running Kubuntu, I might try Gnome and see if the problem persists there
[09:57] <databuddy> gnome here
[09:57] <databuddy> there have been a couple update rounds to openoffice lately
[10:16] <cyphase> Why is vino-session running by default in Tribe 4?
[10:17] <DanaG> I had that "screen jumps to the left" issue on power-source change (AC <-> Battery), but I don't remember what fixed it.
[10:18] <nemik> i had an issue of every time i unplugged from AC, it would go to resume
[10:19] <nemik> apparently killall'ing then starting again gnome-power-manager is all it takes to fix that.
[10:20] <nemik> so is there any automatix replacement or codec install utility of some kind for gutsy?
[10:24] <RAOF> nemik: Well, if you try to open something in Totem (by double clicking on it, for example) it will install the needed codecs for you.
[10:29] <nemik> hehe hi again RAOF
[10:34] <nemik> RAOF: thanks i finally found the ubuntu restricted package, seems to be working great
[10:41] <pvandewyngaerde> i broke my gutsy after recent upgrade, i cant login to X anymore, and also before, firefox was broken
[10:52] <variant> can't you just fix it?
[10:59] <TheInfinity> hmm ... is it posssible that theres no much reaction to bugs? :)
[11:00] <TheInfinity> and another question - update-pciids ... where should i report unknown devices there?
[11:01] <variant> TheInfinity: you ran update-pciids and still have unknown hardware?
[11:01] <TheInfinity> yes
[11:01] <variant> what do you mean about the "reaction to bugs" comment?'
[11:02] <yml> is there someone that have a good understanding of the wireless configuration.
[11:02] <TheInfinity> because for since alpha3 the bugs are undecided - no real reaction, question or something like this
[11:02] <yml> ?
[11:03] <variant> TheInfinity: you can submit hardware information here: http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/ make sure it's accurate (although it will be checked)
[11:03] <TheInfinity> and my wireless card is known after update-pciids since alpha3, but RJ45 and my graphics card not :)
[11:03] <variant> what ethernet card is it exactly?
[11:03] <variant> and what graphics card?
[11:03] <TheInfinity> GeForce 8600 GT (mobile)
[11:04] <variant> strange, that should be regognised. maybe it's a gutsy bug
[11:04] <TheInfinity> its a MacBook Pro
[11:04] <yml> I am trying to set up my wireless network but for some reason it seems that kubuntu have recognised my wireles card
[11:04] <TheInfinity> so it might be another ID
[11:04] <variant> doesn't matter
[11:04] <variant> true
[11:04] <yml> but when I do sudo iwlist eth1 scanning it is not able to see any network
[11:05] <TheInfinity> RJ45 works, but it is unknown to lspci ...
[11:05] <variant> what card is it?
[11:05] <TheInfinity> <-- looks at specs ...
[11:06] <yml> I have this line in lspci:
[11:06] <yml> 02:07.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
[11:07] <TheInfinity> Ethernet	Built-in 10/100/1000BASE-T (Gigabit) <-- urgs i hate online specs without any information :/
[11:07] <yml> variant : does that answer your question?
[11:07] <variant> yml: you shouldn't be running gutsy if you don't know how to fix these things or file a proper bug report. the current gutsy releases are developer previews only
[11:07] <variant> (i don't run gutsy, i just follow progress in here)
[11:07] <leperkhanz> I can't get my VMs any networking under qemu launcher.
[11:07] <variant> TheInfinity: lol nice
[11:08] <godlygeek> so...  i just attempted a dist-upgrade from feisty, and the first three things that i see when the system is booting are three "Segmentation fault" lines scrolling by, before "reading files needed to boot"... that's probably not good.  any suggestions for how to track that down?
[11:08] <variant> leperkhanz: what is qemu launcher?
[11:08] <leperkhanz> a GUI for launching qemu VMs.
[11:09] <variant> leperkhanz: link?
[11:09] <yml> I am trying to make sure that when this 7.10 go out I have all the things working. So I am doing my homework to test if there is any regression / improvement.
[11:09] <leperkhanz> qemulator crashes in gutsy right now, so that's out of the question.
[11:09] <TheInfinity> variant: i just have to reboot to gutsy - perhaps i get more information here ... :/
[11:09] <variant> TheInfinity: ok
[11:10] <leperkhanz> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=523
[11:10] <leperkhanz> Unless you know of a different VM gui that actually works!
[11:12] <pvandewyngaerde> i get those segmentation faults too,
[11:15] <TheInfinity> 0c:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 436a (rev 13)
[11:15] <DanaG> qemulator is another good utility.
[11:15] <TheInfinity> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0407 (rev a1)
[11:15] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i check my pci ids ?
[11:15] <TheInfinity> those two :)
[11:15] <TheInfinity> now - eating ...
[11:15] <DanaG> Oh, and I use vde2 networking.  Some time I should write up a bit for Gutsy specifically.
[11:17] <DanaG> Or you can use tap networking directly.
[11:17] <DanaG> It depends on whether you want multiple VMs to communicate with each other.
[11:22] <Axioo> anyone, I have 6.06 LTS, when is the next LTS release? I'm planning to install a LTS for a server in several places. If it is in the near future and worth the wait, then I'll wait.
[11:22] <elkbuntu> !lts
[11:22] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[11:22] <elkbuntu> hmm...
[11:23] <RAOF> Gutsy is (almost certainly) LTS.
[11:23] <RAOF> 7.10, so in October.
[11:23] <Axioo> !gutsy
[11:23] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:23] <elkbuntu> RAOF, are you sure?
[11:23] <elkbuntu> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html
[11:24] <elkbuntu> "Gutsy will not be an LTS (Long Term Support) release"
[11:24] <godlygeek> so, the three segfault's that I'm seeing on boot.. seem to be coming from.. the initrd?  i think?  if i use nosplash, single, and don't use quiet, i see three 'Segmentation fault' lines around a line saying it's executing "/scripts/init_bottom"
[11:24] <Axioo> RAOF: what about that statement from ubotu (bot)?
[11:24] <RAOF> elkbuntu: It was announced at Ubuntu live by sabdfl, I think.
[11:25] <elkbuntu> http://kahvipapu.com/blog/2007/07/24/ubuntu-live-conference-gutsy-notes/
[11:25] <elkbuntu> RAOF, not according to that
[11:26] <RAOF> ...
[11:26] <RAOF> When I said "Gutsy", what I meant was "Gutsy+1"
[11:26] <RAOF> Sorry.  I knew that.
[11:26] <elkbuntu> hehe
[11:26] <variant> RAOF: yes, according to the space man
[11:27] <godlygeek> how about just a little help on how to track down a segfault in something run by the initrd?  :)
[11:28] <godlygeek> i don't even know where to start on figuring out which process is segfaulting.
[11:28] <pvandewyngaerde> godlygeek: i got that too
[11:28] <pvandewyngaerde> i have dual opteron and 64 bit
[11:29] <pvandewyngaerde> but it boots fine further on
[11:29] <godlygeek> pvandewyngaerde: haha, at least i'm not the only one.  i'm not the best c coder in the world, but i'd like to think that i'm not useless either!
[11:29] <godlygeek> pvandewyngaerde: core2duo macbook.  so, it gets to pick and choose, but should be able to run 64 or 32 bit code...
[11:30] <Axioo> soooo ... there is no telling when is the next LTS going to come out?
[11:30] <godlygeek> pvandewyngaerde: i'm aware that the system boots fine... and seems to even be working well... but a segfault is still completely unacceptable, and i'd like to think that i could help fix a bug
[11:31] <pvandewyngaerde> idd, but i wouldn't know how
[11:32] <godlygeek> idd?
[11:32] <albert23> axioo: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2007-07-22-008-26-NW-DB-SW
[11:33] <godlygeek> (i don't disagree?  :))
[11:34] <pvandewyngaerde> A segmentation fault occurs when a program attempts to access a memory location that it is not allowed to access, or attempts to access a memory location in a way that is not allowed (for example, attempting to write to a read-only location, or to overwrite part of the operating system)
[11:35] <godlygeek> sure
[11:36] <godlygeek> my bigger problem is figuring out how to tear apart an initrd to see which script is causing a segfault
[11:38] <pvandewyngaerde> have you filed a bug report ?
[11:39] <godlygeek> pvandewyngaerde: i don't know that i really have enough information.  none of the errors i'm seeing on screen are being logged to /var/log (though there might be a way to log them, i can't think of it...)
[11:40] <Axioo> oh just read the link from elkbuntu ... it is 8.04? Thx, and also from albert23, Thx 2
[11:41] <pvandewyngaerde> godlygeek: them file a bug report so people who know where to look  know there is a problem
[11:42] <leperkhanz> What good games are there for AMD64 gutsy?
[11:43] <RAOF> leperkhanz: All the same games as for i386 gutsy, of course :)
 ok
 you guys arnt probably gonna like this
 but i just dont like compiz very much without my emerald themes.
 so in gutsy: 1. add the feisty basic repo & do update & install beryl-manager beryl and emerald-themes
[11:53] <databuddy> * lymeca has quit (Connection timed out)
 2. run beryl-manager and select metacity as wm. select gtk window decorator.
 3. turn on desktop effects & select emerald window decorator
 when you do stuff and it goes back to defaults etc just select to gtk themer and then back to emerald
 and emerald-themes works to change the nice lil thingie
 :>
[11:53] <databuddy> again, i repeat that the desktop effects to me are 50% worthless wihtout the themer.
[11:54] <databuddy> linux is about options and i choose that!
[11:54] <databuddy> [oh and comment out and do another update[
[11:54] <databuddy> for the record the only reason beryl itself doesnt work is b/c it doesnt like the plugin date - i suppose if you compiled everything from source they would all play quite nicely lol
[11:55] <TheInfinity> ok
[11:55] <TheInfinity> back
[11:55] <databuddy> wb
[11:55] <databuddy> i'm back too
[11:55] <databuddy> XD
[11:55] <TheInfinity> back to missing pciids ...
[11:55] <databuddy> oo
[11:55] <databuddy> whats that
[11:56] <TheInfinity> i have unknown devices in lspci ;)
[11:56] <databuddy> o
[11:56] <TheInfinity> and restricted-manager-kde just crashed.
[11:57] <TheInfinity> yea :)
[12:01] <yml> yml$
[12:06] <TheInfinity> hmm
[12:06] <TheInfinity> what should i do with this missing pciids? :)
[12:10] <TheInfinity> reboot to restart this restricted manager ...
[12:45] <TheInfinity> yea
[12:45] <TheInfinity> crash of hardware database :9
[12:57] <TheInfinity> now hardware database crashes direct after boot
[12:57] <TheInfinity> and restricted hardware manager does not start again
[12:57] <TheInfinity> hmm
[01:11] <databuddy> ok
[01:11] <databuddy> i know how u guyz hate emerald-themes so much for some reason
[01:11] <databuddy> but i found a much more elegant solution:
[01:12] <databuddy> sudo echo "emerald --replace" > /usr/bin/emreplace
[01:12] <databuddy> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/emreplace
[01:12] <databuddy> then use alt+f2 to run
[01:12] <databuddy> with emerald themes in it changes to the em theme of choice
[01:22] <Do``> hey
[01:22] <Do``> i think i ran into a bug
[01:22] <TheInfinity> only one? :D
[01:23] <Do``> so far :)
[01:23] <Do``> installed wine and ran world of warcraft
[01:23] <Do``> and when i exited the game
[01:23] <Do``> the gnome panels on the bottom of the screen reversed their order
[01:24] <Do``> so the panel with the running apps on it moved to the upper row
[01:24] <Do``> and the one with the applications menu and clock and whatnot moved to the bottom row
[01:24] <Do``> and while i like it better this way and never found to do it manually, i dont think it should do this
[01:25] <databuddy> lol
[01:25] <databuddy> btw Do`` just drag a panel by an empty spot to anywhere you like on the corners of the screen
[01:26] <Do``> well
[01:26] <Do``> if i restart the gnome-panel with killall
[01:26] <databuddy> itl stay where u put it
[01:26] <Do``> it resets to my previous settings
[01:26] <databuddy> then log out and in
[01:26] <Do``> that should save the settings?
[01:27] <Do``> properly i mean
[01:28] <Do``> my, thank you :)
[01:28] <Do``> still... about the bug
[01:30] <databuddy> yeah thats a good one.
[01:30] <databuddy> try moving them back and logging out and in
[01:30] <databuddy> and then see if you can reproduce it?
[01:30] <Do``> i can reproduce it :)
[01:31] <databuddy> o: for sure?
[01:31] <databuddy> too bad i dont wow
[01:31] <Do``> it might be related to changing the resolution
[01:31] <databuddy> well that was my first thought
[01:31] <Do``> i play in 1024x768
[01:31] <databuddy> but usually that just messes up the icon order on the bar itself
[01:31] <Do``> and the desktop runs in 1280x1024 the native resolution
[01:32] <databuddy> try making both resolutions the same and then run wow
[01:32] <databuddy> see if it reproduces then?
[01:33] <Do``> gimme a minute
[01:34] <Do``> hm hm both on the same resolution doesnt seem to affect the panel order
[01:35] <Do``> oh and btw, i lost my wallpaper settings too, while the panel order got messed up previously, i just didnt notice it
[01:35] <Do``> i'm back the default chocolate colored one
[01:35] <databuddy> yeah lets call it a bug :P
[01:35] <databuddy> !bug
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[01:36] <databuddy> tho i'm no expert so no blaming me for any marshmellow roasting events
[01:36] <databuddy> nor mass nakid children events either ~_~
[01:36] <Do``> should i make a bug report?
[01:36] <databuddy> i would be inclined to do so, yes
[01:38] <TheInfinity> someone here who has firefox installed with gutsy?
[01:38] <Do``> i'll to be as precise as i can, thank you for the help databuddy
[01:38] <TheInfinity> because i need somone who tests a bug :)
[01:40] <Do``> databuddy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/119910 <- :)
[01:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119910 in gnome-panel "Gnome should remember panel order and state" [Low,Invalid] 
[01:40] <Do``> though i dont know why it is invalid
[01:41] <databuddy> considered a bug with wine perhaps?
[01:41] <databuddy> ask in #winehq // or ask on the thread
[01:42] <Do``> alrighty
[01:42] <Do``> thanks for the info
[01:46] <parC> DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0       fuck you elkbuntu
[01:47] <TheInfinity> wtf? :o
[01:47] <Do``> mirc exploit iirc
[01:51] <databuddy> .....
[01:52] <databuddy> and yes you do Do``
[01:53] <Do``> hm?
[01:55] <pvandewyngaerde> i cant login to x      http://pastebin.com/m65f5edb0
[01:58] <databuddy> pvandewyngaerde: using nvidia driver i take it?
[01:58] <databuddy> what card // which nvidia-glx package is in
[01:59] <pvandewyngaerde> i got in X as root
[01:59] <pvandewyngaerde> nvidia 6600
[02:00] <pvandewyngaerde> glx-new
[02:00] <TheInfinity> pvandewyngaerde: mobile version?
[02:02] <pvandewyngaerde> Gainward Ultra 1960PCX XP Geforce 6600 GT 128 MB DDR 3
[02:02] <pvandewyngaerde> pci express    no mobile
[02:02] <TheInfinity> oh okay 6600. i read 8600 - theres a known bug ;)
[02:04] <pvandewyngaerde> should i try nv drivers ?
[02:04] <databuddy> sure
[02:04] <databuddy> and if that doesnt work try vesa
[02:06] <pvandewyngaerde> brb
[02:11] <pvandewyngaerde> nope
[02:11] <pvandewyngaerde> waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing
[02:13] <pvandewyngaerde> this is samd bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/123222
[02:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123222 in Ubuntu "[GUTSY]  GUI fails when running in virtualbox" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:14] <fenrig> hi
[02:14] <fenrig> could it be that cups can't read the gutenprint printer drivers
[02:19] <fenrig> hi
[02:20] <fenrig> i can't find any bug about gutenprint and cups
[02:44] <cyphase> hmm, the latest deskbar update is interesting
[02:52] <pvandewyngaerde> i found my problem, drive was full :-(
[02:59] <jdt> hello, has anyone noticed with Tribe 4 that trackerd seems to constantly consume a lot of CPU%  (on my system, average about 30 - 40% constant utilisation)
[03:00] <jdt> Also, hard drive utilisation is constantly high
[03:01] <pvandewyngaerde> that is indexing
[03:03] <jdt> pvandewyngaerde: yes, its been running non-stop for over five hours since I installed? Seems a little excessive..
[03:05] <jdt> oh well, hopefully it wont need to index for hours on end daily
[03:21] <kenro> I need a cbr viewer, but Ubuntu doesn't provide one. With me using hte gibbon, would it ruin my computer if I include pure Debian pkg sources?
[03:24] <ccooke> kenro: in the long run, almost certainly
[03:24] <kenro> Anyone with so much as opinion or advice for my problem?
[03:25] <ccooke> if you installed a single specific package, probably not.
[03:25] <kenro> ccooke: Sorry I'm tracking several channels for help.
[03:26] <ccooke> kenro: more to the point... what about comix?
[03:27] <kenro> I'll check...
[03:27] <ccooke> it's in universe
[03:27] <ccooke> have you wnabled universe?
[03:28] <ccooke> (found by doing a search for "cbr cbz". If you don't like it, there's cbrpager, too.
[03:29] <kenro> crpager seems wanky. starts up, freezes before view.
[03:30] <Trewas> kenro: .cbr is just a generic .rar archive so it can be extracted with rar, and there's comix (and probably many others) in ubuntu which can show files in .cbr archives directly
[03:31] <ccooke> comix appears to work
[03:31] <ccooke> I just tried it
[03:32] <kenro> Funny how synaptic failed to note. Installing comix now.
[03:34] <ccooke> kenro: was universe enabled?
[03:34] <ccooke> what did you search for?
[03:35] <kenro> ccooke:  I searched cbr. All synaptic returned was cbrpager, which failed to display.
[03:35] <kenro> ccooke: apt just installed it.
[03:38] <kenro> HaHaHa! I could swear I had unrar installed!
[03:39] <kenro> Bah. Now, unrar is withdrawn.
[03:43] <kenro> I'll hafta wait til unrar is re-included...
[03:46] <kenro> ccooke: file transfer to you of my sources.list?
[03:48] <ccooke> kenro: put it on the pastebin
[03:48] <ccooke> !pastebin
[03:48] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:49] <kenro> ccooke:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33337/
[03:51] <ccooke> hmm
[03:51] <ccooke> no idea why you didn't find it, then
[03:51] <ccooke> it was in my search results
[03:52] <kenro> And now, thought I'v extracted the archive separately, comix can't display because there's no unrar.
[03:52] <ohad> hi. is it possible to get/force higher screen resolution from intl 1024x768 on thinkpad x61s ?
[03:52] <ohad> running gutsy 2.6.22-9
[03:54] <ohad> also, how do i go about installing a patch .c file?
[03:54] <ohad> my sound only works if i run this .py file.
[03:56] <kenro> ccooke:  I guess I'll just hafta wait, let people work on the repos a while. Upgrade and try again. Thanks anyway.
[03:56] <ohad> anyone there?
[03:57] <kenro> No one here but us chackens.
[03:58] <ohad> 154 chickenz
[04:07] <gorrz> anything worth making the jump from feisty to gutsy ?
[04:20] <kousotu> hey guys
[04:21] <mark007> Hello all.
[04:21] <mark007> I'd like to help test, but am having a hard time figuring out how to upgrade to Gutsy. Has anyone had any luck doing so?
[04:21] <kousotu> hey mark007
[04:21] <mark007> I don't want to just add gutsy to my sources.list...
[04:21] <mark007> update-manager -cd pulls up the normal update manager.
[04:21] <kousotu> mark007: I don't know what you mean
[04:21] <TheInfinity> mark007: apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:22] <kousotu> ok, maybe TheInfinity does
[04:22] <mark007> Haven't tried that, yet, TheInfinity
[04:22] <kousotu> lol
[04:22] <slimz> is there any way i can completely reinstall the keyring and keyring manager, it always asks me for a new keyring manager everytime i get on my wireless, then when i access a netwark share
[04:22] <kousotu> slimz: it does that always
[04:22] <kousotu> slimz: to me as well
[04:22] <TheInfinity> if you dont know how to fix problems via apt / dpkg you should not upgrade to gutsy ;)
[04:22] <mark007> TheInfinity, do I need gutsy in my /etc/apt/sources.list for that?
[04:23] <kousotu> hey Hobbsee
[04:23] <Hobbsee> hi kousotu
[04:23] <TheInfinity> mark007: you know gutsy is alpha software?
[04:23] <mark007> Of course :-)
[04:23] <mark007> I always adopt the new ubuntu after Herd/Tribe/Whatever-they're-calling-it-this-release 4
[04:23] <TheInfinity> it hats lots of bugs and if you dont know how to dist-upgrade a system you will destroy your system quite fast ;)
[04:23] <slimz> mark007 : are you trying to pull up the update-manager in gutsy?
[04:24] <slimz> mark007 : you don't need update manager -c -d for going to tribe 4, just a dist-upgrade
[04:24] <kousotu> Hobbsee: does the alpha update the same as the T4 release?
[04:24] <mark007> Ok. Thanks slimz.
[04:24] <kousotu> I like the alpha, everything works like it should
[04:24] <kousotu> lol
[04:24] <Hobbsee> kousotu: er, yes
[04:24] <slimz> mine works amazing, except the keyring
[04:24] <mark007> The gutsy-tribe-4 page suggested pulling update-manager from feisty-proposed, but I couldn't find that version to do a force-version
[04:25] <kousotu> Hobbsee: kool, thx
[04:25] <slimz> mark007 : are you in feisty now?
[04:25] <mark007> And then doing update-manager -cd
[04:25] <mark007> slimz, yes.
[04:25] <slimz> oh
[04:25] <slimz> then i was wrong
[04:26] <slimz> you cant just dist-upgrade
[04:26] <slimz> you need update manager
[04:26] <mark007> Well, as stated "update-manager -c -d" doesn't even offer to upgrade.
[04:26] <mark007> Do I need to add gutsy to my sources.list file for it to offer?
[04:27] <slimz> if you really want to try gutsy
[04:27] <mark007> Perhaps I should just download the official cd release and go that route.
[04:27] <slimz> i would suggest getting the iso of it then
[04:27] <slimz> and booting it
[04:27] <mark007> I upgraded to Feisty the same way with no problems (that is, using update-manager)
[04:28] <kousotu> Hobbsee: do you know why workspace manager was disabled in this release?
[04:29] <mark007> slimz, Perhaps I shall...
[04:29] <Hobbsee> kousotu: yes.  compiz.
[04:29] <kousotu> ?
[04:29] <kousotu> what is tht?
[04:29] <kousotu> that*
[04:31] <Skiessi> what's workspace manager?
[04:32] <Skiessi> let's see does this work
[04:32] <Skiessi> !compiz
[04:32] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:32] <Skiessi> !workspacemanager
[04:32] <Skiessi> :|
[04:35] <kousotu> lol
[05:01] <BorisYaltsin> is the guy who tried to install gutsy on an xps m1330 here?
[05:48] <yaustar> I am having trouble with WIfi + 64 bit WEP and Gutsy, can anyone help me out please?
[05:48] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: is there a way to enable that manger in Tribe 4a like it was in T3?
[05:48] <Kousotu> yaustar: what card?
[05:49] <yaustar> 01:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[05:49] <Kousotu> yaustar: also, are you using roaming?
[05:49] <yaustar> Nope, I am configuring it manually
[05:49] <Kousotu> hm..
[05:49] <Kousotu> I never had a prob with manual config
[05:50] <yaustar> I have tried it without the WEP code (unprotected) and it is fine
[05:50] <Kousotu> that's odd
[05:50] <Kousotu> hm...
[05:50] <yaustar> Using a 64 bit WEP code: NN:NN:NN:NN:NN and I get the IP address169.254.4.136
[05:50] <Kousotu> is this the pc you're trying to go wifi on?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> no idea which manager you're talking about
[05:50] <yaustar> yes
[05:51] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: The workspae one
[05:51] <Hobbsee> only by disabling compiz
[05:51] <Kousotu> yaustar you have it ethed now?
[05:51] <yaustar> ethed?
[05:51] <Kousotu> Hobbsee: and how do I do that?
[05:51] <Kousotu> ethernet
[05:52] <yaustar> Yes, I am connected by a wired connection at the moment
[05:52] <Kousotu> a wired connection
[05:52] <Kousotu> ok
[05:52] <Kousotu> let's try this...
[05:52] <Kousotu> enter the wifi SSID with <none> on security
[05:53] <yaustar> ok
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Kousotu: you can change the number of workspaces in the compiz config thing
[05:54] <yaustar> Kousotu: I get the same IP address and the number of RX packets shoot through the roof.
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> how is gutsy running thus far??
[05:55] <yaustar> I remember having trouble with codes before and they need to be in a specific format.. I am not sure if I have that correct
[05:55] <yaustar> CaBlGuY: Better then feisty, At least it doesn't crash 80% on boot up on my laptop
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> hehe,,   which is good yes?  lol
[05:56] <CaBlGuY> and whats someof the major changes form fiesty?
[05:56] <yaustar> A little less responsive then 6.06 but generally pretty good
[06:00] <Kousotu> I don't know yaustar
[06:00] <Kousotu> I'll be right back
[06:00] <yaustar> np
[06:00] <Kousotu> gotta work on my gram's pc
[06:04] <poningru> yaustar: ok can you try switching it to roaming mode?
[06:05] <poningru> this seems like like a acpi-hex wep problem
[06:05] <yaustar> Would it work if the SSID is hidden?
[06:05] <poningru> yes
[06:06] <poningru> just 'connect to other wireless network'
[06:06] <yaustar> This is going to sound dumb, where is that option?
[06:06] <poningru> first switch to roaming
[06:06] <yaustar> yep, done
[06:06] <poningru> then click on nm-applet
[06:07] <poningru> the little network applet on the panel
[06:09] <poningru> yaustar: did you find it?
[06:09] <poningru> if you removed it from panel
[06:09] <poningru> then you have to do nm-applet from alt+f2
[06:10] <yaustar> ah ha, I see...
[06:10] <yaustar> yep
[06:10] <yaustar> Yep, entered the key and I think I have a connection to the router
[06:10] <yaustar> I found it
[06:11] <yaustar> The iwconfig shows:
[06:11] <poningru> what does it show?
[06:11] <poningru> pastebin?
[06:12] <yaustar> http://rafb.net/p/jydquH40.html
[06:15] <yaustar> http://rafb.net/p/jydquH40.html
[06:15] <poningru> looking
[06:15] <poningru> yaustar: sweet that looks like you have a connection
[06:15] <poningru> now do a ifconfig
[06:16] <yaustar> http://rafb.net/p/bS0sm495.html
[06:17] <poningru> looking
[06:17] <poningru> also do a iwconfig multiple times
[06:17] <poningru> see if the frequency changes
[06:18] <yaustar> Hmmm ... I think the WIred connection is confusing things
[06:18] <yaustar> eth1      unassociated  ESSID:""
[06:18] <poningru> yeah especially with roaming mode it wont...
[06:18] <poningru> do it without the roaming mode
[06:20] <Assid> hey there
[06:20] <yaustar> gah... still cant get an SSID to show :p.. brb, I am going to disconnect the wired connection for a sec
[06:21] <poningru> k
[06:21] <poningru> Assid: whatsup?
[06:22] <Kousotu> yaustar
[06:22] <Assid> poningru: not much.. just curious .. how "stable" is gutsy atm.. considering its pretty close to its release cycle
[06:23] <Assid> im kinda tired of compiz breaking on me on feisty.. and then emerald not linkin right.. and stuff
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Assid: gutsy still breaks.
[06:23] <Hobbsee> it's not even feature freeze, yet
[06:23] <Hobbsee> or UVF
[06:23] <Assid> uvf ? i know whats feature freeze.. whats uvf ?
[06:24] <poningru> universe version freeze
[06:24] <poningru> Assid: if you are on a production system then dont use it
[06:24] <poningru> as in if you absolutely need that computer then do not use it
[06:26] <ohad> hi, i'm running gutsy 2.6.22-9 - on a thinkpad x61s -- i was wondering if it is possible to squeeze more then 1024x768 out of the graphics card --
[06:26] <Assid> hrmmm. ok
[06:27] <ohad> also how do i enable sound by default ( i have to run this py script to enable sound each time) --
[06:27] <ohad> and last but not least -- suspend -- how do i do that?:)
[06:27] <ohad> it doesn't work out of the box
[06:28] <poningru> ohad: how big is the thinkpad?
[06:28] <poningru> what screen size?
[06:28] <ohad> 12.1
[06:28] <poningru> iirc thats the 12" one
[06:28] <poningru> right
[06:28] <poningru> so thats the screens limitation
[06:29] <poningru> if you plugged it into an external monitor assuming a recent intel graphics card it will let you do more than that
[06:29] <ohad> poningru, really? :/ no way to view things 1240x1024 let say?
[06:29] <poningru> ohad: external monitor
[06:29] <poningru> thats your laptop screens limitation
[06:29] <poningru> can you link to the py script?
[06:30] <darkstar61> hi all, i'm on a test box with kubuntu tribe 4 and the latest upgrades... i have strange issues with some apps like amule http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3761/amule1pk0.jpg or dp http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8183/dp1cd8.jpg
[06:32] <yaustar> Right back...
[06:33] <yaustar> Still no luck, trying roaming mode and it keeps asking for the WEP key
[06:34] <yaustar> iwconfig keeps thnking I have connect to the router
[06:37] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[06:39] <mike> Has anyone here compiled Compiz-Fusion from GIT on Gutsy?
[06:40] <poningru> yaustar: quick question why are you doing hidden ssid?
[06:40] <poningru> you dont actually believe people cant pick that up right?
[06:41] <yaustar> Well consdering it is useless nowadays, I honestly don't know
[06:41] <poningru> right
[06:41] <poningru> and switch to wpa
[06:41] <yaustar> DS can't cannot via wpa
[06:42] <poningru> oh hehe
[06:42] <poningru> nice
[06:42] <yaustar> sucks I know :
[06:42] <yaustar> :P
[06:42] <poningru> nintendo DS I meant
[06:42] <yaustar> Ah yeah :p
[06:43] <yaustar> I can't understand how it has a connection to the router but not get a valid IP
[06:46] <yaustar> just going to try a 128 bit key instead
[06:49] <yaustar> ... no joy
[06:49] <yaustar> :/
[06:52] <mike> does anyone know if they're planning to have Frostwire in the Gutsy repo's?
[06:53] <yaustar_> sorted
[06:53] <yaustar_> I changed the SSID name and set t to broadcast
[06:54] <yaustar_> I can only guess that another router has the same SSID name?
[06:56] <yaustar_> I live in a block of flats and I remember seeing someone throwing the box packaging of the same router model as us...
[06:57] <poningru> yaustar: hehe that sucks
[06:57] <yaustar_> It would also explain the lower signal strength (73/100) when I am sitting right next to the damn thing ;)
[06:58] <yaustar_> Cheers for the help regardless :)
[07:39] <ohad> hi, anyone here to help with suspend and sound -- running gutsy 2.6.22-9 on an x61s
[07:51] <Stormx2> Azureus is so broken :(
[07:54] <sebsebseb> How do I delete stuff from the Ubuntu/Gnome menu?
[07:55] <poningru> sebsebseb: system->pref->main menu
[07:55] <poningru> but why are you doing this?
[07:55] <poningru> if you want to hide it from users I would use pegasus
[07:55] <poningru> anyone know how to get deskbar back to its original method
[07:55] <poningru> as in an entry in the panel
[07:56] <sebsebseb> why, because I got stuff left from
[07:56] <sebsebseb> Wine
[07:56] <sebsebseb> I deleted my .wine folder :) from Home
[07:56] <poningru> ok cool
[07:56] <sebsebseb> I want a clean install of stuff you see
[07:56] <poningru> but I would uninstall from wine
[07:57] <sebsebseb> uninstall from Wine?
[07:57] <poningru> but ...
[07:57] <poningru> since you deleted wine...
[07:57] <poningru> sebsebseb: yeah dude wine has an uninstall thing
[07:57] <sebsebseb> uninstall programs thing yes I know about that,  but uhmmmmmmmm
[07:57] <sebsebseb> anyway  I re run Wine and it puts a new .wine folder I think
[07:58] <poningru> sebsebseb: I would do a sudo aptitude purge wine
[07:58] <poningru> and then sudo aptitude install wine
[07:58] <sebsebseb> that will get rid of wine completly and then I re install
[07:58] <poningru> yes
[07:58] <sebsebseb> yeah could do that
[07:59] <sebsebseb> that will get rid of the wine folder menu in
[07:59] <sebsebseb> home?
[07:59] <poningru> yes
[07:59] <sebsebseb> I mean
[07:59] <sebsebseb> in
[07:59] <sebsebseb> the Ubuntu start menu
[07:59] <poningru> it should in the menu
[07:59] <poningru> right
[07:59] <sebsebseb> ok sure i'll do that
[07:59] <sebsebseb> altough
[07:59] <sebsebseb> the only reason I decided to do this just now
[07:59] <sebsebseb> get rid of WIne
[08:00] <sebsebseb> compellety  was to be completlly sure no trojan was left :)  yes  I ran a trojan a while ago in Wine to see what would happen and it did some stuff,  not much.  and yes I know it's not a real Windows install,  so woudn't have been able to do much,  but anyway to be sure.  plus I had delted some things that maybe I should have kept I think
[08:00] <sebsebseb> anyway
[08:01] <sebsebseb> yes that
[08:01] <sebsebseb> and also,  because I am thinking about installing another program,  but  I shoudn't need to install this really
[08:01] <sebsebseb> I reckon
[08:01] <sebsebseb> ,but I thought if I am installing a new program,  might as well give it a clean Wine then since I was going to get rid of what I had before anyway
[08:01] <jldugger> so if you uninstalled wine via apt-get and something's left
[08:02] <sebsebseb> no  I haven't done that
[08:02] <sebsebseb> yet
[08:02] <jldugger> either you didn't --purge or there's a bug
[08:02] <sebsebseb> ,but I will
[08:02] <sebsebseb> I just deleted the .wine folder before
[08:02] <sebsebseb> anyway i'll uninstall it properly everything
[08:02] <sebsebseb> and re install later
[08:02] <sebsebseb> whilst  I am in the Gutsy channel I have some other things
[08:03] <jldugger> it would have been smarter, if you were worried about cross infection, to test your "infects wine" theory in a vm
[08:03] <sebsebseb> that's true
[08:03] <sebsebseb> on the subject of VM's :)  I want to set one up in Virtual Box  Windows yes
[08:03] <sebsebseb> and infect it with stuff and not have it connected to net of course
[08:03] <sebsebseb> when doing this
[08:03] <sebsebseb> and see what happens
[08:04] <sebsebseb> and  Virtual Box I am meant to be able to do snapshots or something,  and go back to a current state
[08:04] <sebsebseb> I tryed stuff before,  but not sure
[08:04] <sebsebseb> and  I think same thing can be done in VMware server
[08:05] <sebsebseb> I used Azureues in the past,  and I could just click on a torrent that was downloading,  and say download this file don't download that,  make this file the prioritety and stuff like that
[08:06] <sebsebseb> however Ktorrent,  I carn't just click on a torrent that is downloading,  and t ell it what to do with the files like I can with Azureues, any ideas?
[08:06] <sebsebseb> is this possible?
[08:07] <jldugger> you can always move the file while it's open
[08:07] <sebsebseb> well I want to download  files in a particualr order
[08:07] <jldugger> with whatever kde uses for file exploring
[08:07] <sebsebseb> really
[08:07] <jldugger> ah
[08:07] <jldugger> no clue
[08:07] <jldugger> but azureus has some problems =(
[08:07] <sebsebseb> ktorrent just don't seem to do it like Azureus which sucks
[08:08] <sebsebseb> I been thinking  try out uTorrent in Wine or something
[08:08] <sebsebseb> and  hopefully that can do what I want
[08:08] <sebsebseb> so hence the Wine stuff
[08:08] <jldugger> im assuming azureus is simply broken for you?
[08:08] <sebsebseb> Azureues
[08:08] <sebsebseb> I installed it from the site yesterday
[08:08] <sebsebseb> ,but
[08:09] <sebsebseb> something was wrong with it carn't quite remmeber now
[08:09] <sebsebseb> I guess to do with the port or my firewall
[08:09] <sebsebseb> no I think I opended the port
[08:09] <sebsebseb> hummmmmmm
[08:09] <sebsebseb> or maybe Azureues is fine
[08:09] <sebsebseb> ,but
[08:09] <sebsebseb> it keeps on wanting to open the  torrent in ktorrent or something
[08:09] <jldugger> it occasionally gets into a state where its log directory breaks itself
[08:09] <sebsebseb> I think this is a bit silly though running uTorrent in Wine for what I want
[08:10] <jldugger> sebsebseb: it sounds like they wrote drag and drop seperately
[08:10] <jldugger> so you can drag a torrent onto the desktop
[08:10] <sebsebseb> which Ktorrent?
[08:10] <jldugger> and drag a torrent on the desktop into ktorrent
[08:10] <jldugger> but didnt consider dragging a torrent around within ktorrent
[08:10] <sebsebseb> ok,  but as I said my issue is to do with files
[08:10] <sebsebseb> I want to download this file,  first then that,  then that so on
[08:10] <sebsebseb> what I can do
[08:10] <sebsebseb> is
[08:11] <sebsebseb> and have done so far,  but  considering I got over 10 episodes yet to download
[08:11] <sebsebseb> this will be a pain in the arse every time
[08:11] <sebsebseb> I can open the torrent in Ktorrent,  and tell it to only download the episode I want
[08:11] <sebsebseb> when that is finnished
[08:11] <sebsebseb> do the same thing again
[08:11] <sebsebseb> and move the download some where and stuff
[08:12] <sebsebseb> where as in Azureus downloading a TV series is piss easy
[08:12] <sebsebseb> how I want it
[08:12] <sebsebseb> or was last time I did so
[08:12] <jldugger> donno. i dont use ktorrent or kde =/
[08:12] <sebsebseb> I don't tend to use KDE itself
[08:12] <sebsebseb> ,but it does have some nice apps :)
[08:12] <sebsebseb> that also run in Gnome of course :)
[08:13] <sebsebseb> yep Konversation for example the IRC client I am using now
[08:13] <sebsebseb> and the kick arse K3B DVD and CD burning and that
[08:13] <sebsebseb> another example
[08:13] <stdin> try ktorrent, it's very nice
[08:13] <sebsebseb> uhmmmm stdin
[08:13] <sebsebseb> read above
[08:13] <sebsebseb> I have been using ktorrent
[08:14] <sebsebseb> and I have a problem with it
[08:14] <stdin> what problem exactly (I can't read a few pages of your messages without my brain exploding :P)
[08:14] <sebsebseb> oh right yeah the way I type :dd
[08:14] <sebsebseb> :d I see
[08:15] <sebsebseb> ok  I want to download the episodes of 24,  that I didn't get to see on  the TV back  earlyer on this year
[08:15] <sebsebseb> ,because of stupid
[08:15] <sebsebseb> UK  TV company capitalist arse holes
[08:15] <stdin> and you have the legal coppy of the DVD of course...
[08:15] <sebsebseb> BSKYB  saying no you carn't have  Sky One anymore since
[08:16] <jldugger> im confused. i thought bbc controlled most of the terrestial tv
[08:16] <sebsebseb> lol no
[08:16] <sebsebseb> and this is cable TV
[08:16] <jldugger> hardly capitalist ;)
[08:16] <sebsebseb> and of course I don't have the legal DVD yet,  considering it's not out yet
[08:16] <stdin> (don't get me started on the BBCs iPlayer :( )
[08:17] <stdin> sebsebseb: then we CAN'T discuss that
[08:17] <sebsebseb> anyway the fuck wad that owns Sky  and  the guy  that brought out NTL  which brought out my TV and Internet suplier what used to be Telewest
[08:17] <stdin> it's illegal
[08:17] <sebsebseb> lol
[08:17] <stdin> !language > sebsebseb
[08:17] <sebsebseb> listen to this shit
[08:17] <sebsebseb> I think most people that download torrents
[08:17] <ompaul> sebsebseb, chill please
[08:17] <stdin> sebsebseb: LAST warning about the languag
[08:17] <sebsebseb> download stuff that technically they aren't meant to
[08:17] <cecko> hi all, are there the edubuntu packages under gutsy tribe?
[08:18] <jldugger> sebsebseb: then discuss the legal uses of ktorrent, without perhaps mentioning specifics ;)
[08:18] <sebsebseb> and I could just be saying I want to download 24 which to some might make me sound kind of cool since 24 kicks arse,  when really I could be downloading something else that is perfectly legal to download
[08:19] <ompaul> sebsebseb, so your wish is to be removed from this channel for both language and being offtopic, have I got that right?
[08:19] <sebsebseb> no
[08:19] <ompaul> ohh you had me a tad confused there
[08:19] <stdin> then don't mention what you are downloading, just sate the problems
[08:19] <jldugger> sadly, sarcasm isn't against the code of conduct
[08:19] <sebsebseb> ok  I got a torrent that has 24 files
[08:20] <sebsebseb> 8GB or so
[08:20] <sebsebseb> of  course I don't want to download all of those files
[08:21] <sebsebseb> with Azureus a torrent like that when I used before
[08:21] <stdin> ktorrent lets you choose not to download some files in a torrent
[08:21] <jldugger> the question is how
[08:21] <sebsebseb> yes
[08:21] <sebsebseb> ,but only at the beggining
[08:21] <sebsebseb> I want to download one file
[08:21] <sebsebseb> wait for that to finnish downloading and whilst watching it so on
[08:21] <sebsebseb> download the next
[08:21] <sebsebseb> I don't want all the files I want to download,  downloading in one big go
[08:22] <stdin> that's not really how torrents work
[08:22] <jldugger> stdin: sure it is.
[08:22] <sebsebseb> Azurues would let me
[08:22] <jldugger> stdin: it's just not a standard preference function
[08:22] <sebsebseb> why not Ktorrent
[08:23] <sebsebseb> I carn't rmeember why I coudn't just download the torrent in Azurues instead and how I wanted since only just installed it yesterday
[08:23] <sebsebseb> ,but maybe it was,  because Firefox  had it set up to open the torrents in ktorrent every time
[08:23] <jldugger> well, i might have missed a line or two of what sebseb said.
[08:23] <sebsebseb> or something
[08:23] <cr1ss> hi, I 've just installed gutsy tribe 4, did an update, enabled nvidia driver, and each time I try to enable extra effects, it says, nvidia driver is currently running or sth.. in the end, nothing happens.. any help ?
[08:24] <sebsebseb> I instaleld Gutsy 3 I belive it was and have installed a load of updates recentlly, so that was just automatic update to tribe 4?   I  also have some issues with it only minor stuff that I want to talk about here,  but after the torrents thing is done of course
[08:25] <PriceChild> sebsebseb, Beginners are strongly advised against using Gutsy until release in october.
[08:25] <sebsebseb> yes I know :)
[08:25] <PriceChild> If you complete all updates, you will pass through tribe 4 yes.
[08:25] <PriceChild> remember tribe 4 is just a snapshot
[08:26] <sebsebseb> yes  I was just checking that,  I thought that would be the case.  and your right I am sort of a beginner.  altough used Linux for about 3 years now.  however  I expect there will be bugs with the Alphas :)
[08:26] <ohad> hi, anyone here to help with suspend and sound -- running gutsy 2.6.22-9 on an x61s
[08:26] <cr1ss> ok, I checked again and when I try to enable extra effects, it says : nvidia restricted driver is already enabled ! why's that ?
[08:27] <sebsebseb> so  any ideas regarding my ktorrent issue then?
[08:28] <PriceChild> cr1ss, ignore it and continue
[08:28] <cr1ss> I ignore it, but I don't think something changes.. and how can I see compiz fusion's settings ?
[08:29] <PriceChild> gconf
[08:29] <PriceChild> or install the settings manager
[08:29] <cr1ss> ok thank u a lot
[08:32] <sebsebseb> Alpha has bugs yes,  and is really for  developers, and bug testers :)  and is not feature complete I know I know.  So are my minor issues bugs?   In Feisty etc,  the Gnome Display Manager,  if I didn't type in the user name or password right,  it would make a noise.  dung dung something like that, also when turning or re booting the computer and loading GDM for the first time.  now it's just well  the computer making
[08:32] <sebsebseb> the beep
[08:38] <sebsebseb> also  I have no log in sound,  the other sounds seem to work though.  once after updating something a while ago or whatever,  I got the sound working,  but then after a re boot or whatever nope didn't work anymore.
[08:38] <sebsebseb> also it's a bit slow to log into the account,  I guess since it's an Alpha
[09:08] <cr1ss> how can I add workspaces ? I have 2 currently and when I click to preferences, I don't see any option.
[09:09] <yaustar> cr1ss: Right click on the workspace switch and go to prefences
[09:10] <cr1ss> I did it, no option available, is there any way to do it through terminal ?
[09:10] <yaustar> There should be an option to change the "Number of workspaces"
[09:11] <yaustar> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6cy1645
[09:11] <yaustar> oops wrong image
[09:12] <stdin> if you're using compiz you have to set the number in the compiz settings manager
[09:12] <yaustar> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4qj0rj6
[09:13] <cr1ss> well, wait to show u my screen
[09:13] <cr1ss> omg..
[09:13] <cr1ss> weird.. I changed my icons to tango, and now it appeared.. Oo
[09:13] <cr1ss> nah, compiz crushed
[09:14] <cr1ss> well then, I guess it's fixed
[09:27] <Pierre> hi
[09:27] <Pierre> any idea why gusty test4 cd ends in the gdm login instead of the live/install?
[09:28] <Pierre> tribe4 not test4 :)
[09:59] <jpwhiting> NVRM: request_mem_region failed for 16M @ 0xc0000000. This can
[09:59] <jpwhiting> hi all, anyone here using gutsy with an nvidia card?
[10:03] <tehk> jpwhiting, I am
[10:08] <jpwhiting> tehk: I just upgraded to gutsy, and can't modprobe nvidia driver
[10:08] <jpwhiting> I've tried nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[10:08] <jpwhiting> I'm currently running nv so I can get X to work
[10:09] <jpwhiting> I have a GeForce 7300 GS
[10:10] <jpwhiting> tehk: any idea how to get nvidia module to load?
[10:18] <jpwhiting> if not, is there any way to downgrade back to feisty until gutsy is released?
[10:26] <tehk> use the restricted-manager
[10:26] <jpwhiting> ??
[10:26] <jpwhiting> restricted-manager
[10:27] <tehk> Did youo install the shim? restricted kernel shim that is?
[10:27] <jpwhiting> no
[10:27] <jpwhiting> what's it's package called?
[10:27] <laga> "restricted-manager"
[10:28] <jpwhiting> installing now
[10:28] <tehk> 'linux-restricted-module-YOU KERNEL NUMBER
[10:28] <tehk> and yea the manager is  good to have
[10:28] <jpwhiting> ah, ok thx
[10:29] <tehk> oh and it requires a restart
[10:29] <tehk> to load the shim
[10:29] <tehk> if you did not already have it for that kernel version
[10:30] <jpwhiting> tehk: by shim you mean linux-restricted-module-...
[10:31] <tehk> yes. It is used to connect a binary blob that is non free to the kernel
[10:34] <jpwhiting> right, got it
[10:36] <jpwhiting> ah, I'm running 2.6.22-generic
[10:36] <jpwhiting> but there doesn't seem to be a restricted-module for it :(
[10:36] <jpwhiting> nm, found it
[10:39] <Pierre> tehk: do you use a 8600 by any chance?
[10:40] <jpwhiting> k, I'll restart now and see what it does... wish me luck
[10:48] <tehk> Pierre, Sorry no. They require the drivers from the nvidia site I think(or envy)
[10:59] <jpwhiting> hmm, no luck
[10:59] <jpwhiting> guess I'll use nv for a while probably
[11:21] <igorgue> where should I report a bug on flashplugin-nonfree?
[11:23] <igorgue> anyone?
[11:23] <stdin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree
[11:24] <igorgue> cool
[11:28] <igorgue> stdin, where I can get the code of the post install scrip?
[11:28] <igorgue> script
[11:28] <igorgue> because I already fix the error
[11:29] <stdin> igorgue: from the deb or from the source
[11:29] <stdin> apt-get source flashplugin-nonfree
[11:31] <igorgue> stdin, can you do a diff from there?
[11:31] <igorgue> can I
[11:31] <stdin> yeah, i guess
[11:31] <igorgue> ok, thanks
[12:08] <ohad> how does one switch back from gutsy to feisty?
[12:11] <stdin> ohad: you can't
[12:11] <ohad> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2604826&postcount=2
[12:12] <stdin> well...
[12:12] <stdin> !dowdgrade
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dowdgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <stdin> !downgrade
[12:12] <ubotu> Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[12:16] <mattik> I got kde4 desktop and I installed KDE4 applications but I haven't see it in menu
[12:17] <mattik> seen
[12:21] <pvandewyngaerde> you have to start a kde4 session
[12:22] <pvandewyngaerde> as single session, or as second using xephyr
[12:22] <pvandewyngaerde> read this http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[12:22] <mattik> I need KDM or something?
[12:23] <mattik> ok
[12:24] <pvandewyngaerde> couldn't you find that yourself ?
[12:25] <mattik> yes, but I don't have kde4 games
[12:25] <mattik> or konsole or konqueror
[12:26] <pvandewyngaerde> for games install kde4graphics-data
[12:26] <pvandewyngaerde> kde4games-data offcourse
[12:27] <stdin> mattik: konsole and konqueror are in kde-base-bin, which should have been installed by kde-base-dev
[12:28] <mattik> then I have something wrong
[12:28] <pvandewyngaerde> so you are running a xephyr KDE4 session now ?