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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 4 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Aug 9 16:01:54 2007 | ||
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| thelsdj | if i apt-get source, then change something inside the source directory, how do i recreate the diff and dsc files ? | 07:17 |
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| Hobbsee | debuild -S -sa | 07:19 |
| Hobbsee | thelsdj: no need to put your question in multiple channels, btw | 07:20 |
| thelsdj | yea but i kinda asked in the wrong place so thought i'd come over here hehe | 07:20 |
| thelsdj | can i skip the signing for now? | 07:23 |
| thelsdj | fails because no gpg entry for my name/eamil | 07:24 |
| RAOF | thelsdj: That doesn't matter. | 07:24 |
| RAOF | You don't want/need to sign it, anyway. | 07:24 |
| thelsdj | ok guess it did make the files, thanks | 07:24 |
| thelsdj | trying to fix xen-3.1 on amd64 | 07:25 |
| thelsdj | arg, nope, didn't fix it, the python-xen-3.1 package is still empty | 07:31 |
| RAOF | Well, keep going. I've got an amd64 buildbox / mythtv server I'd like to try xen on :) | 07:32 |
| thelsdj | thoughts on what would cause a package to be empty? my first guess was bad path in python-xen-3.1.install | 07:32 |
| thelsdj | also maybe issue with arch specific vs arch independent | 07:33 |
| RAOF | That's a good one. Others include: wrong package name for the install, not calling dh_install | 07:33 |
| thelsdj | very new to debugging deb packages | 07:33 |
| thelsdj | even though its 22:30 on a friday evening, i'm kinda being payed for this which is nice | 07:37 |
| RAOF | Wicked. | 07:38 |
| thelsdj | finally convinced my boss to start transitioning employees from windows to linux and so he wants me testing bleeding edge so we can find/fix problems early on | 07:38 |
| RAOF | Man, that's *awesome*. | 07:38 |
| === RAOF 's dream job. | ||
| thelsdj | so build a new work desktop, installed gutsy 64bit, and away i go | 07:38 |
| thelsdj | eh, most of my dayjob is writing boring asp.net code | 07:38 |
| thelsdj | but atleast we run some of that on xen/linux/mono | 07:39 |
| thelsdj | might have got it fixed | 08:13 |
| thelsdj | bad package name in install-tools: DH_OPTIONS... | 08:13 |
| thelsdj | had been renamed from python-xen3.1 to python-xen-3.1 and don't think that was updated | 08:14 |
| thelsdj | still rebuilding but hopefully that was it | 08:14 |
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| thelsdj | looking good, installed and restarting | 08:26 |
| thelsdj | woops, need to disable nvidia driver first | 08:28 |
| thelsdj | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.1/+bug/131594 | 08:46 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 131594 in xen-3.1 "[gusty] xen python modules not found" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 08:46 |
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| highvoltage | pygi! I was wondering how you are doing | 10:58 |
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| pygi | highvoltage, ! | 11:05 |
| pygi | highvoltage, being a bit sick, but better then before | 11:05 |
| pygi | highvoltage, not so good otherwise, but I'll live | 11:05 |
| pygi | highvoltage, you? | 11:05 |
| tsurc | want a laugh anyone? | 11:06 |
| tsurc | I think I might be trying to be a little over ambitious.. Im trying to get feisty server + ubuntu-xen-server + drbd | 11:07 |
| tsurc | but I'm running into trouble compiling drdb for the kernel used by xen (2.6.19-4) | 11:08 |
| highvoltage | pygi: I also had a bad cold this last weekend and earlier this week, but I'm much better now | 11:09 |
| highvoltage | still on anti-biotics- last day today at least :) | 11:09 |
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| rgl | hi | 01:13 |
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| rgl | its normal for a system to receive NMI in /proc/interrupts ? | 01:15 |
| Kmos | rgl: try #ubuntu-kernel | 01:17 |
| rgl | Kmos, humm. thx. and hi there :D | 01:18 |
| Kmos | :-) | 01:18 |
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| null____ | hello | 01:56 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, swfdec built and working | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: yay! | 01:57 |
| null____ | lately trevino has not updated his packages for compiz ? | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | null____: trevinho is not here. he doesnt try to work wiht us at all | 01:57 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, I've talked with upstream, they'll release 0.5.2 in monday just for us, so I'll package it =) | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | null____: you'll have to contact him by other means | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: yay! | 01:58 |
| null____ | ahh ok, thanks for the info | 01:58 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, a lot of improvements | 01:58 |
| pygi | (since it's UVF soon) | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | not hard to get a UVFe anyway | 01:58 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, true, but oh well =) | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | the UVF team should be announced soon, too. | 01:59 |
| pygi | nod | 02:00 |
| pygi | free flash is important =) | 02:00 |
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| pygi | and swfdec works much better then gnash | 02:01 |
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| ion_ | Especially since ubuntu-mobile seems to use a Flash UI. | 02:03 |
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| pygi | ion_, oh! | 02:14 |
| asac | pygi: how do you measure that swfdec works better than gnash? | 02:25 |
| === Hobbsee waves to asac | ||
| pygi | asac, easy :) | 02:25 |
| === asac hugs Hobbsee | ||
| === Hobbsee hugs asac back :) | ||
| pygi | asac, you visit sites, and see what works and how it works | 02:25 |
| asac | hmm ... when i tried back in may/june i found that gnash works better :) | 02:26 |
| asac | pygi: do you have any specific sites/flash-films ? | 02:26 |
| pygi | asac, well, wait until next week when I package 0.5.2 :) | 02:26 |
| asac | pygi: will you? | 02:26 |
| asac | pygi: cool | 02:26 |
| pygi | asac, then I'll poke you, and show you the difference =) | 02:26 |
| asac | right ... can you ping when when you package that? | 02:27 |
| pygi | asac, sure, as soon as 0.5.2 is out, it'll be packaged in a matter of day =) | 02:27 |
| ion_ | Hm, the current swfdec-mozilla package doesnt seem to support the *-flashplugin alternatives. | 02:27 |
| asac | pygi: i need to tell you a few things you should obey ;) | 02:27 |
| pygi | asac, oh, shoot? :) | 02:27 |
| asac | ion_: right ... thats one of the points ;) | 02:27 |
| === pygi wonders what asac has to say :) | ||
| asac | ion_: pygi and should be done if someone touches that package again :) | 02:28 |
| pygi | asac, feel free to say what needs to be done | 02:28 |
| asac | pygi: alternative + Npp-xxx headers so new plugin-finder service will be able do suggest users the package if they search for a flash plugin | 02:28 |
| pygi | asac, given I have no idea what Npp-xxx headers are ... :) | 02:29 |
| asac | when you package ... just ping me | 02:29 |
| asac | ;) | 02:29 |
| pygi | oki, will do :) | 02:29 |
| pygi | thanks ^_^ | 02:29 |
| ion_ | pygi: For instance, apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree | grep Npp | 02:30 |
| asac | pygi: look at the control file of flashplugin-nonfree | 02:30 |
| pygi | asac, aha, looking | 02:32 |
| pygi | Xb-Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a | 02:32 |
| pygi | I guess this are identifications strings for: flash-nonfree and gnash? | 02:32 |
| asac | pygi: right ... those are application is of the mozilla pplications this plugin supports | 02:32 |
| asac | pygi: no ... those are identifiers for firefox + iceape/seamonkey iirc | 02:33 |
| pygi | asac, aha, got it | 02:33 |
| asac | so you know in which application the plugin will be installed | 02:33 |
| pygi | ok, that shouldn't be a problem | 02:33 |
| pygi | and what about that alternatives stuff? | 02:33 |
| asac | we will have to add one more for midbrowser (mobile browser) | 02:33 |
| asac | pygi: look in gnash postinst/prerm | 02:33 |
| pygi | sure, if you've got the string, feel free to gimme one :) | 02:33 |
| pygi | asac, we should probably properly put conflicts in packages as well, no? | 02:34 |
| pygi | we dont want swfplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree installed for example? | 02:34 |
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| asac | pygi: no ... thats why we have alternatives | 02:34 |
| pygi | oki =) | 02:34 |
| asac | you can install all ... and then choose by alternative | 02:34 |
| pygi | yup, update-alternatives I guess =) | 02:34 |
| asac | right | 02:35 |
| pygi | ha, see ... I know something :p | 02:35 |
| === asac wonders if there is GUI/Administration tool to administer alternatives in ubuntu/debian ? | ||
| pygi | asac, yes | 02:35 |
| asac | yes? | 02:35 |
| pygi | galternatives | 02:35 |
| asac | is that in gnome pref/admin menu? | 02:36 |
| pygi | that has to be manually installed | 02:36 |
| asac | hmmm ... its not installed | 02:36 |
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| asac | is that crappy or why isn't that installed by default? | 02:36 |
| asac | doesn't look so bad | 02:37 |
| pygi | no idea, never used it | 02:37 |
| pygi | asac, ok, one question on the from postinst: | 02:37 |
| pygi | update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so \ | 02:37 |
| pygi | xulrunner-flashplugin /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so 70 | 02:37 |
| ion_ | Uh. A huge number of similar update-alternatives lines instead of a simple for p in iceape iceweasel mozilla firefox xulrunner; do update-alternatives --install "/usr/lib/$p/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" "$p-flashplugin" /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 70; done | 02:37 |
| pygi | what's this "70" stuff? | 02:38 |
| asac | pygi: the priority | 02:38 |
| asac | i will probably bump everything to 50 | 02:38 |
| asac | ion_: yes ... my bad | 02:38 |
| pygi | asac, ok, so priority to everything should go to 50? | 02:38 |
| pygi | just trying to note when packaging | 02:38 |
| asac | ion_: feel free to submit a debdiff ;) | 02:38 |
| asac | pygi: yes ... we previously wanted gnash to get a lower prio then -nonfree, but install gnash by default ... now we won't install anything by default, but give them the same priorities | 02:39 |
| pygi | asac, got it | 02:39 |
| pygi | do we have a identification string for that midbrowser? I could submit a debdiff if you want for that? | 02:39 |
| asac | pygi: sure | 02:40 |
| asac | wait a sec | 02:40 |
| asac | the current package has still firefox uid ... next releas will have its own | 02:40 |
| pygi | asac, right, so no changes for now, right? | 02:40 |
| asac | aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115 | 02:41 |
| pygi | oh, k, thanks | 02:41 |
| asac | pygi: just add that now | 02:41 |
| pygi | will do, thanks | 02:41 |
| asac | won't hurt until new midbrowser comes | 02:41 |
| pygi | I'll also update the thingy ion_ said | 02:41 |
| asac | pygi: yes ... and maybe add a xulrunner id as well (i think they install in xulrunner dir as well) | 02:41 |
| pygi | asac, tell me xulrunner id? | 02:41 |
| asac | hehe ... i have to look it up ;) | 02:42 |
| pygi | asac, how come we don't have epiphany and galeon id's in there? Do they identify as mozilla, and that works then? | 02:43 |
| asac | pygi: ok ... it doesn't have its own id ... as its just a runner to run multiple applications on | 02:44 |
| pygi | asac, fine :) | 02:44 |
| asac | pygi: they would identify as mozilla .... but it doesn't matter much, as they don't have a plugin-finder wizard | 02:45 |
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| pygi | asac, got it | 02:45 |
| asac | ok ... i am out again | 02:45 |
| asac | cu | 02:45 |
| pygi | asac, laters | 02:46 |
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| pygi | asac, you back by any chance? | 03:36 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:54 |
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| pygi | asac, poke when you are back pls, thanks | 06:29 |
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| asac | pygi: not for long ;) ?? | 06:48 |
| pygi | asac, just wanted to say I've done some patches, one already uploaded, one being reviewed :) | 06:48 |
| pygi | asac, enjoy whatever you are doing :) | 06:48 |
| asac | pygi: cool ... about flash? | 06:49 |
| pygi | asac, why, ofcourse =) | 06:49 |
| asac | some patches? how many? | 06:49 |
| pygi | just 2 for now xD | 06:49 |
| asac | ok ... that qualifies for some ;) | 06:49 |
| pygi | I have more in my head tho, but I can't look anymore, so they'll have to wait =) | 06:49 |
| asac | ok ... later! | 06:49 |
| pygi | asac, laters ;) | 06:50 |
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| mjg59 | a | 06:51 |
| mjg59 | Oops | 06:51 |
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| rgl | hello | 06:53 |
| rgl | Kmos, :D | 06:53 |
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| Kmos | ryu :) | 07:10 |
| Kmos | ups | 07:11 |
| Kmos | rgl | 07:11 |
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| xhaker | Hi all, anyone willing to make libmtp 0.1.5 -> 0.2.1 happen? | 07:32 |
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| xhaker | there is no packaging of the latest version on debian either | 07:34 |
| pygi | xhaker, do we need it for anything? | 07:35 |
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| xhaker | it seems to have been dragged to main because of the integration in rhythmbox | 07:37 |
| xhaker | i hope i'm right saying that | 07:37 |
| xhaker | it's a hardware support critical library, the new version has new udev rules | 07:38 |
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| pygi | xhaker, I didn't say anything, patience :) | 07:39 |
| pygi | I'll just have a look at it | 07:39 |
| xhaker | you deserve a look just by taking that step :D | 07:39 |
| xhaker | s/look/hug | 07:40 |
| pygi | ah, abi bump it seems | 07:40 |
| fabbione | so... name... for... a... library..... | 07:41 |
| fabbione | pygi: does it involve also an API change? | 07:42 |
| xhaker | fabbione, i think so | 07:42 |
| pygi | fabbione, yes, API changes are there | 07:42 |
| fabbione | libmtp5 | 07:42 |
| fabbione | Reverse Depends: | 07:42 |
| fabbione | gnomad2 | 07:42 |
| fabbione | rhythmbox | 07:42 |
| fabbione | mtp-tools | 07:42 |
| fabbione | mtp-tools | 07:42 |
| fabbione | libmtp-dev | 07:42 |
| pygi | not sure we want this upgrade at this point :-/ | 07:42 |
| fabbione | amarok | 07:42 |
| fabbione | unlikely | 07:42 |
| pygi | xhaker, sorry, no upgrade for gutsy :-/ | 07:43 |
| pygi | fabbione, +1, thanks for the opinion | 07:43 |
| fabbione | it would still be wise to check the changelog | 07:43 |
| xhaker | hmm, what about backporting the udev rules | 07:43 |
| pygi | fabbione, I'm checking it | 07:43 |
| fabbione | and see if there is anything critical in the upgrade | 07:43 |
| xhaker | fabbione, what i most value in it is the increased number of hardware supported by the new release | 07:44 |
| fabbione | xhaker: yes i understand. i am looking at what that library does.. but an API change might require a lot of porting and testing | 07:44 |
| pygi | nod | 07:45 |
| pygi | fabbione, http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=download | 07:45 |
| pygi | major changes can be seen there | 07:45 |
| pygi | (over the versions) | 07:45 |
| xhaker | libmtp is similar to libgphoto2 but in turn supports audio player devices | 07:46 |
| fabbione | pygi: well i suggest you check if you can get the libmtp rdpendes to build and work | 07:47 |
| fabbione | if you can by minimal patches, propose it to RM's and get it as an approved transition | 07:47 |
| fabbione | but have everything ready before hand | 07:47 |
| fabbione | xhaker: that should be your task to | 07:47 |
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| fabbione | i understand what the library is for and why you want it in.. but you also need to collect the pieces for doing the job :) | 07:48 |
| xhaker | fabbione, willing to do that | 07:48 |
| xhaker | *I am* | 07:48 |
| fabbione | xhaker: i don't doubt.. just making sure :) | 07:49 |
| xhaker | I'm trying to find the developers online | 07:49 |
| fabbione | on a saturday evening it's difficult.. | 07:49 |
| fabbione | try to look for Hobbsee in about 12 hours from now | 07:50 |
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| pygi | fabbione, but but ... I'm working on flash packages right now, can't handle everything :-/ | 07:51 |
| fabbione | pygi: well you with xhaker | 07:51 |
| fabbione | whatever.. | 07:51 |
| fabbione | somebody != me :) | 07:51 |
| pygi | hehe :) | 07:51 |
| xhaker | pygi, don't worry | 07:52 |
| xhaker | pygi, i've been to some motu classrooms, hahaha | 07:52 |
| xhaker | i will try to build the stuff :D and report back | 07:52 |
| xhaker | :D | 07:52 |
| pygi | xhaker, ok | 07:52 |
| pygi | xhaker, make sure to bump the package to libmtp6 | 07:53 |
| pygi | and do the "Replaces:" "Conflicts:" dance | 07:54 |
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| pygi | hey asac_ :P | 07:55 |
| pygi | xhaker, I could make the libmtp package if you wish, but you should check rdepends? | 07:56 |
| fabbione | pygi: why do you need Conflicts: Replaces: ?!?! | 07:57 |
| xhaker | pygi, do that then | 07:57 |
| pygi | fabbione, ergh, ok, just replaces | 07:57 |
| fabbione | if you change the soname, the 2 libraries libfoo1 and libfoo2 can be installed in parallel | 07:57 |
| pygi | yes, I know that | 07:57 |
| fabbione | libfoo1 will be obsoleted by disappearing from the archive | 07:57 |
| fabbione | libfoo-dev will Depends: libfoo2 | 07:58 |
| pygi | oh well | 07:58 |
| fabbione | all the apps that use libfoo2 that are rebuilt will pull in libfoo2 automatically | 07:58 |
| fabbione | or am I missing something? | 07:58 |
| pygi | probably not ... it's me who's missing something =) | 07:58 |
| pygi | don't worry ;) | 07:58 |
| fabbione | i am not... | 07:59 |
| fabbione | but at my age.. memory starts to fall apart | 07:59 |
| xhaker | pygi, hit me with a link when you finish | 08:00 |
| pygi | xhaker, sure, shouldn't take long | 08:00 |
| pygi | xhaker, building in pbuilder | 08:02 |
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| pygi | ah, it gotta upgrade itself first | 08:07 |
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| pygi | asac, how come firefox doesn't show gnash in it's Finder service, and we've got the browser ID in? | 08:12 |
| pygi | (when flash is in question ofcourse) | 08:12 |
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| pygi | xhaker, still here? | 08:28 |
| xhaker | pygi, sure | 08:28 |
| pygi | xhaker, built and installed in pbuilder, gonna test rdepends now | 08:29 |
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| pygi | xhaker, one package down, builds properly | 08:46 |
| pygi | fabbione, same note for you if you are interested =) | 08:46 |
| xhaker | pygi, great! | 08:47 |
| fabbione | pygi: i would make sure that they run properly by checking what's changed in the API | 08:47 |
| fabbione | a build is not enough | 08:47 |
| fabbione | specially if something like foo(int a, int b) in the API changed to foo(int a, int c) | 08:47 |
| fabbione | it will still build, but change way of working.. | 08:48 |
| fabbione | then you are doomed | 08:48 |
| pygi | fabbione, that kind of things others will do, I'm just building here =) | 08:48 |
| pygi | so much things to download in pbuilder ergh | 08:49 |
| xhaker | i'll open the file and check what changed, just have to download the older version | 08:49 |
| xhaker | i'll just dif the whole src | 08:50 |
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| xhaker | pygi, fabbione: this seems to be the offending part http://pastebin.com/m3e25effb | 08:58 |
| xhaker | the struct has 2 new fields | 08:58 |
| fabbione | a rebuild of that should be enough but there is also a new function that might be required in certain operations | 09:01 |
| fabbione | i also guess that somehow you want to use those fields | 09:01 |
| fabbione | or you will lose info | 09:02 |
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| xhaker | fabbione, my guess is that if they were not used before no application is making use of them yet | 09:06 |
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| xhaker | i should really get in touch with someone from the project | 09:07 |
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| xhaker | mail sent | 09:22 |
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| rgl | hi. | 10:01 |
| rgl | why the packages (as show by apt-cache show) never have the program site URL? | 10:02 |
| xhaker | pygi, could you host the libmtp files? | 10:06 |
| pygi | xhaker, no idea where =) | 10:06 |
| pygi | xhaker, your mail pls | 10:13 |
| pygi | (i'll send you the files) | 10:14 |
| xhaker | i was setting up an ftp user | 10:15 |
| pygi | xhaker, ergh, mail will do, it's not big :) | 10:16 |
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| Kmos | rgl: if isn't in text description in control, it doesn't show any url | 11:06 |
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| rgl | Kmos, I mean. it doesn't seem normal for the package description to include the site URL, which kinda sux :| | 11:07 |
| rgl | Kmos, j tenho o LG :D | 11:07 |
| Kmos | rgl: nice | 11:07 |
| Kmos | boa compra | 11:07 |
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| rgl | muito nice. no dos espelhados :) | 11:08 |
| Kmos | ainda bem | 11:09 |
| Kmos | senao morrias em pouco tempo | 11:09 |
| Kmos | bem, vou jantar pra sair um pouco | 11:09 |
| Kmos | acabei de ver a season 2 de dr. house | 11:09 |
| Kmos | :) | 11:09 |
| rgl | bye bye :) | 11:09 |
| rgl | lol | 11:09 |
| Kmos | ja ca tenho a 3 | 11:09 |
| Kmos | lol | 11:09 |
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| thully | Hi | 11:42 |
| thully | I have a few questions about Ubuntu development as a user who is interested in helping improve the system... | 11:43 |
| thully | I've had some issues with various areas of the main Ubuntu system (i.e. not universe/multiverse) and would like to know where discussion of issues relating to this takes place. I know the "core development team" exists, but they don't appear to have a mailing list like MOTU. | 11:44 |
| thully | I have filed bugs on most of these issues, but I'm finding most bugs don't get responses. My concerns in particular mostly have to do with hardware issues (mostly laptop-related - C-state weirdness, trackpad, brightness control, etc ) with some other miscellaneous concerns involving the base Ubuntu desktop. | 11:45 |
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| Lutin | pygi: mozilla-plugin-gnash fails to upgrade to your last gnash upload: exits with this message /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst: 7: Syntax error: "do" unexpected (expecting ";;") | 12:11 |
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| pygi | Lutin, yes, I know | 12:11 |
| Lutin | ok | 12:11 |
| pygi | same with flashplugin-nonfree | 12:11 |
| pygi | Lutin, thanks for reporting ^_^ | 12:12 |
| Lutin | pygi: np :) | 12:12 |
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