=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Tribe 4 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Aug 9 16:01:54 2007 === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D80EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thelsdj [n=thelsdj@ip24-251-207-135.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] if i apt-get source, then change something inside the source directory, how do i recreate the diff and dsc files ? [07:19] debuild -S -sa [07:20] thelsdj: no need to put your question in multiple channels, btw [07:20] yea but i kinda asked in the wrong place so thought i'd come over here hehe [07:23] can i skip the signing for now? [07:24] fails because no gpg entry for my name/eamil [07:24] thelsdj: That doesn't matter. [07:24] You don't want/need to sign it, anyway. [07:24] ok guess it did make the files, thanks [07:25] trying to fix xen-3.1 on amd64 [07:31] arg, nope, didn't fix it, the python-xen-3.1 package is still empty [07:32] Well, keep going. I've got an amd64 buildbox / mythtv server I'd like to try xen on :) [07:32] thoughts on what would cause a package to be empty? my first guess was bad path in python-xen-3.1.install [07:33] also maybe issue with arch specific vs arch independent [07:33] That's a good one. Others include: wrong package name for the install, not calling dh_install [07:33] very new to debugging deb packages [07:37] even though its 22:30 on a friday evening, i'm kinda being payed for this which is nice [07:38] Wicked. [07:38] finally convinced my boss to start transitioning employees from windows to linux and so he wants me testing bleeding edge so we can find/fix problems early on [07:38] Man, that's *awesome*. === RAOF 's dream job. [07:38] so build a new work desktop, installed gutsy 64bit, and away i go [07:38] eh, most of my dayjob is writing boring asp.net code [07:39] but atleast we run some of that on xen/linux/mono [08:13] might have got it fixed [08:13] bad package name in install-tools: DH_OPTIONS... [08:14] had been renamed from python-xen3.1 to python-xen-3.1 and don't think that was updated [08:14] still rebuilding but hopefully that was it === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] looking good, installed and restarting [08:28] woops, need to disable nvidia driver first [08:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-3.1/+bug/131594 [08:46] Launchpad bug 131594 in xen-3.1 "[gusty] xen python modules not found" [Undecided,Confirmed] === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@154.69-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-25-51.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AED9CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-25-51.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-249.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=sam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tselio1 [n=tseliot@host90-94-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:58] pygi! I was wondering how you are doing === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tsurc [n=tsurc@tsurc.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] highvoltage, ! [11:05] highvoltage, being a bit sick, but better then before [11:05] highvoltage, not so good otherwise, but I'll live [11:05] highvoltage, you? [11:06] want a laugh anyone? [11:07] I think I might be trying to be a little over ambitious.. Im trying to get feisty server + ubuntu-xen-server + drbd [11:08] but I'm running into trouble compiling drdb for the kernel used by xen (2.6.19-4) [11:09] pygi: I also had a bad cold this last weekend and earlier this week, but I'm much better now [11:09] still on anti-biotics- last day today at least :) === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam_ [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === binary2k2 [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kasina [n=kennedy@196.207.17.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AED9CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-249.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@user-514fed0b.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=cesare@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === realist [n=realist@unaffiliated/realist] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === null____ [n=null@60-241-43-186.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=cesare@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === adam0509 [n=benoit@stc92-1-82-227-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgl [n=Rui@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] hi === sabdf1 [n=sabdfl@dsl-145-216-215.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] its normal for a system to receive NMI in /proc/interrupts ? [01:17] rgl: try #ubuntu-kernel [01:18] Kmos, humm. thx. and hi there :D [01:18] :-) === gicmo [n=gicmo@84.145.253.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DreamThi1f [n=mathias@gateway.3vilh4x0r.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DreamThi1f [n=mathias@gateway.3vilh4x0r.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe88fb00-133.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke_ [n=niclasa@c83-251-18-216.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] hello [01:57] Hobbsee, swfdec built and working [01:57] pygi: yay! [01:57] lately trevino has not updated his packages for compiz ? [01:57] null____: trevinho is not here. he doesnt try to work wiht us at all [01:57] Hobbsee, I've talked with upstream, they'll release 0.5.2 in monday just for us, so I'll package it =) [01:57] null____: you'll have to contact him by other means [01:58] pygi: yay! [01:58] ahh ok, thanks for the info [01:58] Hobbsee, a lot of improvements [01:58] (since it's UVF soon) [01:58] yep [01:58] not hard to get a UVFe anyway [01:59] Hobbsee, true, but oh well =) [01:59] the UVF team should be announced soon, too. [02:00] nod [02:00] free flash is important =) === null____ [n=null@60-241-43-186.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:01] and swfdec works much better then gnash === _TomB [n=tomb@cust206-dsl55.idnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] Especially since ubuntu-mobile seems to use a Flash UI. === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] ion_, oh! [02:25] pygi: how do you measure that swfdec works better than gnash? === Hobbsee waves to asac [02:25] asac, easy :) === asac hugs Hobbsee === Hobbsee hugs asac back :) [02:25] asac, you visit sites, and see what works and how it works [02:26] hmm ... when i tried back in may/june i found that gnash works better :) [02:26] pygi: do you have any specific sites/flash-films ? [02:26] asac, well, wait until next week when I package 0.5.2 :) [02:26] pygi: will you? [02:26] pygi: cool [02:26] asac, then I'll poke you, and show you the difference =) [02:27] right ... can you ping when when you package that? [02:27] asac, sure, as soon as 0.5.2 is out, it'll be packaged in a matter of day =) [02:27] Hm, the current swfdec-mozilla package doesnt seem to support the *-flashplugin alternatives. [02:27] pygi: i need to tell you a few things you should obey ;) [02:27] asac, oh, shoot? :) [02:27] ion_: right ... thats one of the points ;) === pygi wonders what asac has to say :) [02:28] ion_: pygi and should be done if someone touches that package again :) [02:28] asac, feel free to say what needs to be done [02:28] pygi: alternative + Npp-xxx headers so new plugin-finder service will be able do suggest users the package if they search for a flash plugin [02:29] asac, given I have no idea what Npp-xxx headers are ... :) [02:29] when you package ... just ping me [02:29] ;) [02:29] oki, will do :) [02:29] thanks ^_^ [02:30] pygi: For instance, apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree | grep Npp [02:30] pygi: look at the control file of flashplugin-nonfree [02:32] asac, aha, looking [02:32] Xb-Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a [02:32] I guess this are identifications strings for: flash-nonfree and gnash? [02:32] pygi: right ... those are application is of the mozilla pplications this plugin supports [02:33] pygi: no ... those are identifiers for firefox + iceape/seamonkey iirc [02:33] asac, aha, got it [02:33] so you know in which application the plugin will be installed [02:33] ok, that shouldn't be a problem [02:33] and what about that alternatives stuff? [02:33] we will have to add one more for midbrowser (mobile browser) [02:33] pygi: look in gnash postinst/prerm [02:33] sure, if you've got the string, feel free to gimme one :) [02:34] asac, we should probably properly put conflicts in packages as well, no? [02:34] we dont want swfplayer-mozilla and flashplayer-nonfree installed for example? === RadiantFire [n=ryan@64.203.238.119.static-pool-3.pool.hargray.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] pygi: no ... thats why we have alternatives [02:34] oki =) [02:34] you can install all ... and then choose by alternative [02:34] yup, update-alternatives I guess =) [02:35] right [02:35] ha, see ... I know something :p === asac wonders if there is GUI/Administration tool to administer alternatives in ubuntu/debian ? [02:35] asac, yes [02:35] yes? [02:35] galternatives [02:36] is that in gnome pref/admin menu? [02:36] that has to be manually installed [02:36] hmmm ... its not installed === badders [n=tom@host86-128-175-151.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] is that crappy or why isn't that installed by default? [02:37] doesn't look so bad [02:37] no idea, never used it [02:37] asac, ok, one question on the from postinst: [02:37] update-alternatives --install /usr/lib/xulrunner/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so \ [02:37] xulrunner-flashplugin /usr/lib/gnash/libgnashplugin.so 70 [02:37] Uh. A huge number of similar update-alternatives lines instead of a simple for p in iceape iceweasel mozilla firefox xulrunner; do update-alternatives --install "/usr/lib/$p/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so" "$p-flashplugin" /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so 70; done [02:38] what's this "70" stuff? [02:38] pygi: the priority [02:38] i will probably bump everything to 50 [02:38] ion_: yes ... my bad [02:38] asac, ok, so priority to everything should go to 50? [02:38] just trying to note when packaging [02:38] ion_: feel free to submit a debdiff ;) [02:39] pygi: yes ... we previously wanted gnash to get a lower prio then -nonfree, but install gnash by default ... now we won't install anything by default, but give them the same priorities [02:39] asac, got it [02:39] do we have a identification string for that midbrowser? I could submit a debdiff if you want for that? [02:40] pygi: sure [02:40] wait a sec [02:40] the current package has still firefox uid ... next releas will have its own [02:40] asac, right, so no changes for now, right? [02:41] aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115 [02:41] oh, k, thanks [02:41] pygi: just add that now [02:41] will do, thanks [02:41] won't hurt until new midbrowser comes [02:41] I'll also update the thingy ion_ said [02:41] pygi: yes ... and maybe add a xulrunner id as well (i think they install in xulrunner dir as well) [02:41] asac, tell me xulrunner id? [02:42] hehe ... i have to look it up ;) [02:43] asac, how come we don't have epiphany and galeon id's in there? Do they identify as mozilla, and that works then? [02:44] pygi: ok ... it doesn't have its own id ... as its just a runner to run multiple applications on [02:44] asac, fine :) [02:45] pygi: they would identify as mozilla .... but it doesn't matter much, as they don't have a plugin-finder wizard === badders [n=tom@host86-128-175-151.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] asac, got it [02:45] ok ... i am out again [02:45] cu [02:46] asac, laters === TomB_ [n=tomb@cust206-dsl55.idnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [n=gicmo@p5491FDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sn0 [n=mrsno@unaffiliated/sn0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=cesare@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] asac, you back by any chance? === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:54] Heya === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-122-129.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508DAF95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddelll [n=jr@jasmine.wyrdweb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180065104.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === jdong [n=jdong@STRATTON-FIVE-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387DCBE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackska1 [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=tobias@84.167.1.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:37] Someone broke crypted disks again:-( === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069059.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@dsl-62-3-74-25.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daq4th [n=darkness@netstation-005.cafe.zSeries.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pici [n=Pici@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@82.145.145.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] asac, poke when you are back pls, thanks === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] pygi: not for long ;) ?? [06:48] asac, just wanted to say I've done some patches, one already uploaded, one being reviewed :) [06:48] asac, enjoy whatever you are doing :) [06:49] pygi: cool ... about flash? [06:49] asac, why, ofcourse =) [06:49] some patches? how many? [06:49] just 2 for now xD [06:49] ok ... that qualifies for some ;) [06:49] I have more in my head tho, but I can't look anymore, so they'll have to wait =) [06:49] ok ... later! [06:50] asac, laters ;) === asac out again [06:51] a [06:51] Oops === rgl [n=rgl@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] hello [06:53] Kmos, :D === jdong [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-TWENTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluefox_ [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ is now known as azeem === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] ryu :) [07:11] ups [07:11] rgl === bluefox_ is now known as bluefoxicy === xhaker [n=xhaker@83-223-186-10.cpe.netmadeira.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === justinwray [n=justinwr@c-68-34-224-91.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] Hi all, anyone willing to make libmtp 0.1.5 -> 0.2.1 happen? === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508DAF95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:34] there is no packaging of the latest version on debian either [07:35] xhaker, do we need it for anything? === ScottLij [n=scott@24-180-196-49.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] it seems to have been dragged to main because of the integration in rhythmbox [07:37] i hope i'm right saying that [07:38] it's a hardware support critical library, the new version has new udev rules === pygi downloads source package === xhaker hugs pygi [07:39] xhaker, I didn't say anything, patience :) [07:39] I'll just have a look at it [07:39] you deserve a look just by taking that step :D [07:40] s/look/hug [07:40] ah, abi bump it seems [07:41] so... name... for... a... library..... [07:42] pygi: does it involve also an API change? [07:42] fabbione, i think so [07:42] fabbione, yes, API changes are there [07:42] libmtp5 [07:42] Reverse Depends: [07:42] gnomad2 [07:42] rhythmbox [07:42] mtp-tools [07:42] mtp-tools [07:42] libmtp-dev [07:42] not sure we want this upgrade at this point :-/ [07:42] amarok [07:42] unlikely [07:43] xhaker, sorry, no upgrade for gutsy :-/ [07:43] fabbione, +1, thanks for the opinion [07:43] it would still be wise to check the changelog [07:43] hmm, what about backporting the udev rules [07:43] fabbione, I'm checking it [07:43] and see if there is anything critical in the upgrade [07:44] fabbione, what i most value in it is the increased number of hardware supported by the new release [07:44] xhaker: yes i understand. i am looking at what that library does.. but an API change might require a lot of porting and testing [07:45] nod [07:45] fabbione, http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=download [07:45] major changes can be seen there [07:45] (over the versions) [07:46] libmtp is similar to libgphoto2 but in turn supports audio player devices [07:47] pygi: well i suggest you check if you can get the libmtp rdpendes to build and work [07:47] if you can by minimal patches, propose it to RM's and get it as an approved transition [07:47] but have everything ready before hand [07:47] xhaker: that should be your task to === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.100.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] i understand what the library is for and why you want it in.. but you also need to collect the pieces for doing the job :) [07:48] fabbione, willing to do that [07:48] *I am* [07:49] xhaker: i don't doubt.. just making sure :) [07:49] I'm trying to find the developers online [07:49] on a saturday evening it's difficult.. [07:50] try to look for Hobbsee in about 12 hours from now === sethbc [n=sethbc@66.108.162.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] fabbione, but but ... I'm working on flash packages right now, can't handle everything :-/ [07:51] pygi: well you with xhaker [07:51] whatever.. [07:51] somebody != me :) [07:51] hehe :) [07:52] pygi, don't worry [07:52] pygi, i've been to some motu classrooms, hahaha [07:52] i will try to build the stuff :D and report back [07:52] :D [07:52] xhaker, ok [07:53] xhaker, make sure to bump the package to libmtp6 [07:54] and do the "Replaces:" "Conflicts:" dance === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] hey asac_ :P [07:56] xhaker, I could make the libmtp package if you wish, but you should check rdepends? [07:57] pygi: why do you need Conflicts: Replaces: ?!?! [07:57] pygi, do that then [07:57] fabbione, ergh, ok, just replaces [07:57] if you change the soname, the 2 libraries libfoo1 and libfoo2 can be installed in parallel [07:57] yes, I know that [07:57] libfoo1 will be obsoleted by disappearing from the archive [07:58] libfoo-dev will Depends: libfoo2 [07:58] oh well [07:58] all the apps that use libfoo2 that are rebuilt will pull in libfoo2 automatically [07:58] or am I missing something? [07:58] probably not ... it's me who's missing something =) [07:58] don't worry ;) [07:59] i am not... [07:59] but at my age.. memory starts to fall apart [08:00] pygi, hit me with a link when you finish [08:00] xhaker, sure, shouldn't take long [08:02] xhaker, building in pbuilder === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] ah, it gotta upgrade itself first === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] asac, how come firefox doesn't show gnash in it's Finder service, and we've got the browser ID in? [08:12] (when flash is in question ofcourse) === dendrobate1 [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e44a776.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] xhaker, still here? [08:28] pygi, sure [08:29] xhaker, built and installed in pbuilder, gonna test rdepends now === xhaker is checking the files in libmtp source === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] xhaker, one package down, builds properly [08:46] fabbione, same note for you if you are interested =) [08:47] pygi, great! [08:47] pygi: i would make sure that they run properly by checking what's changed in the API [08:47] a build is not enough [08:47] specially if something like foo(int a, int b) in the API changed to foo(int a, int c) [08:48] it will still build, but change way of working.. [08:48] then you are doomed [08:48] fabbione, that kind of things others will do, I'm just building here =) [08:49] so much things to download in pbuilder ergh [08:49] i'll open the file and check what changed, just have to download the older version [08:50] i'll just dif the whole src === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD6FA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] pygi, fabbione: this seems to be the offending part http://pastebin.com/m3e25effb [08:58] the struct has 2 new fields [09:01] a rebuild of that should be enough but there is also a new function that might be required in certain operations [09:01] i also guess that somehow you want to use those fields [09:02] or you will lose info === fabbione & [09:06] fabbione, my guess is that if they were not used before no application is making use of them yet === xhaker is good at spotting the obvious [09:07] i should really get in touch with someone from the project === cr3 [n=marc@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] mail sent === pygi [n=mario@157-249.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 is now known as ryu === j-dizzle [n=jdong@STRATTON-THREE-TWENTY-EIGHT.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zch [n=manuel@chello084114173141.4.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgl [n=rgl@84.90.10.107] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] hi. [10:02] why the packages (as show by apt-cache show) never have the program site URL? [10:06] pygi, could you host the libmtp files? [10:06] xhaker, no idea where =) [10:13] xhaker, your mail pls [10:14] (i'll send you the files) [10:15] i was setting up an ftp user [10:16] xhaker, ergh, mail will do, it's not big :) === topster [n=gal@CPE0001ffff0001-CM00111ae2fb32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === topster [n=gal@CPE0001ffff0001-CM00111ae2fb32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === RadiantFire [n=ryan@64.203.238.119.static-pool-3.pool.hargray.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] rgl: if isn't in text description in control, it doesn't show any url === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] Kmos, I mean. it doesn't seem normal for the package description to include the site URL, which kinda sux :| [11:07] Kmos, j tenho o LG :D [11:07] rgl: nice [11:07] boa compra === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] muito nice. no dos espelhados :) [11:09] ainda bem [11:09] senao morrias em pouco tempo [11:09] bem, vou jantar pra sair um pouco [11:09] acabei de ver a season 2 de dr. house [11:09] :) [11:09] bye bye :) [11:09] lol [11:09] ja ca tenho a 3 [11:09] lol === Kmos waiting for upgrade to gutsy finishes.. === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke_ [n=niclasa@h161n2fls31o808.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire_ [n=ryan@64.203.238.119.static-pool-3.pool.hargray.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-93.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] Hi [11:43] I have a few questions about Ubuntu development as a user who is interested in helping improve the system... [11:44] I've had some issues with various areas of the main Ubuntu system (i.e. not universe/multiverse) and would like to know where discussion of issues relating to this takes place. I know the "core development team" exists, but they don't appear to have a mailing list like MOTU. [11:45] I have filed bugs on most of these issues, but I'm finding most bugs don't get responses. My concerns in particular mostly have to do with hardware issues (mostly laptop-related - C-state weirdness, trackpad, brightness control, etc ) with some other miscellaneous concerns involving the base Ubuntu desktop. === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thully [n=thully@dpc6746164142.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 is now known as ryu === johanbr [n=j@JBrannlund.MathStat.Dal.Ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [n=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu2 is now known as ryu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] pygi: mozilla-plugin-gnash fails to upgrade to your last gnash upload: exits with this message /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-plugin-gnash.postinst: 7: Syntax error: "do" unexpected (expecting ";;") === RadiantFire [n=ryan@64.203.238.119.static-pool-3.pool.hargray.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] Lutin, yes, I know [12:11] ok [12:11] same with flashplugin-nonfree [12:12] Lutin, thanks for reporting ^_^ [12:12] pygi: np :)