[07:11] <Evergete> is there anyone?
[07:40] <vidd> sorry im late
[07:41] <vidd> is it over already?
[07:41] <gpocentek> looks like it didn't start
[07:42] <BFTD> someone start it
[07:43] <Jester45> i dont think it started because the log isnt there
[07:45] <BFTD> who is supposed to start it?
[07:45] <vidd> no idea
[07:45] <BFTD> ok then
[07:45] <BFTD> um
[07:46] <BFTD> alright, who's all here?
[07:46] <vidd> i dont think any of the key developers are here
[07:47] <Jester45> maybe they decided to change it
[07:49] <BFTD> well
[07:49] <BFTD> there is no other meetings today
[07:49] <BFTD> so we should just wait
[07:50] <vidd> the meeting website says the 14th is the next meeting....1700 UTC ....
[07:50] <vidd> maybe ubotu got the date wrong?
[07:50] <kraut> @schedule berlin
[07:50] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 14 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 14 Aug 21:00: Technical Board | 15 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 16 Aug 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Aug 00:00: Forum Council meeting
[07:54] <TheSheep> fridge says 11
[07:54] <BFTD> yeah
[07:56] <vidd> well...lets start the meeting then
[07:56] <vidd> who has the agenda?
[07:56] <fijam>  /Xubuntu/Meetings does not though
[07:57] <vidd> was anyone here at the start of the hour?
[07:57] <Evergete> yes i was
[07:57] <vidd> did anything happen?
[07:57] <Evergete> but the first signal of life in the meeting was yours, vidd
[07:58] <vidd> did anything get said about the meeting at all?
[07:58] <Evergete> no, anything
[07:58] <vidd> graet!
[07:58] <BFTD> hehe
[07:58] <fijam> and there's no agenda I'm afraid.
[07:58] <BFTD> you're the boss, take it away
[07:58] <BFTD> ok
[07:58] <BFTD> so is chad here?
[07:58] <BFTD> or does anyone have an update on that?
[07:59] <BFTD> on the protocol web site
[07:59] <vidd> then the first item i would like to bring up is meeting anouncement
[08:00] <vidd> there should be a meeting anouncement e-mail sent to the devel mailing list
[08:00] <BFTD> agreed
[08:01] <fijam> I'd also suggest to keep /Xubuntu/Meetings up to date :)
[08:01] <BFTD> yes
[08:01] <BFTD> its terrible behind
[08:01] <vidd> here here!!
[08:02] <vidd> so with that...is there anyone here with any real authority with the devel team?
[08:02] <Jester45> i wish i did but i would get kicked out
[08:03] <BFTD> ?
[08:03] <BFTD> I don't know enough Code to become a devel yet
[08:03] <BFTD> Oh, yeah, and the adding games to Xubuntu...failed
[08:04] <TheSheep> good :)
[08:04] <vidd> adding games got shot down?
[08:04] <BFTD> no
[08:04] <BFTD> there was no room left :P
[08:04] <vidd> no ROOM?!?!?!?
[08:05] <BFTD> that's what I was told
[08:05] <TheSheep> vidd: the cd has to fit on 700MB, you know
[08:06] <BFTD> actually
[08:06] <BFTD> there was like 3mb of space
[08:06] <vidd> yeah....and the games are ALREADY in the reposes
[08:06] <BFTD> but they said it was reserved
[08:06] <Jester45> they could get xoids on there
[08:06] <BFTD> hehe
[08:06] <BFTD> I was only gonna add like 300 kb of games :P
[08:06] <BFTD> but they said no
[08:06] <vidd> 3 lines of code...bang...games installed
[08:07] <BFTD> hehe
[08:08] <vidd> the alt cd needs to be promoted as the default installer....the live versions have been trash since they started with breezey
[08:08] <BFTD> true
[08:08] <Jester45> i agree
[08:08] <BFTD> seperate the live cd from the install cd
[08:09] <Jester45> something like "if you want to test try the live if your wanting to install try the alternative"
[08:09] <BFTD> yeah
[08:09] <Jester45> i wouldnt do that BFTD some people have slow internet and dont want to dl 2cds
[08:09] <BFTD> but rename the alt to install
[08:09] <vidd> dont even BOTHER with putting an installer on the live cd,... that will free up all kinds of room!
[08:09] <Jester45> the first to see if it works and they like it and the 2nd to install
[08:09] <BFTD> that's what i siad
[08:10] <vidd> rename the "alt" cd to the "install" cd
[08:10] <BFTD> is vidd repeating everything I'm saying?
[08:11] <vidd> and move the "installer" cd to the TOP of the "get Xubuntu" page
[08:11] <BFTD> yeah
[08:12] <vidd> we should also promote the "net-installer" cd
[08:13] <Jester45> at least make its easy to find
[08:13] <Jester45> i havent used it but does it have an gui type like debian's advance option
[08:14] <Jester45> that is a very nice feature
[08:15] <colossus73> hi there
[08:15] <Jester45> hi
[08:15] <colossus73> is there a xubuntu meeting today?
[08:16] <vidd> sorry...
[08:16] <BFTD> its going on
[08:16] <colossus73> vidd: welcome
[08:16] <Jester45> i think its an unoffical one though
[08:16] <Jester45> i havnet been reading it all
[08:22] <fijam> right, so if anyone cares I can say how is the documentation stuff going
[08:22] <BFTD> ok
[08:22] <BFTD> I guess
[08:22] <fijam> so it is going _slowly_
[08:22] <BFTD> its slowed down lately
[08:23] <BFTD> yeah
[08:23] <fijam> the progress can be tracked here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Assignments
[08:23] <fijam> we have some troubles with libs/entities and this is a showstopper
[08:23] <fijam> otherwise it is quite easy to adapt ubuntu's documentation
[08:24] <gpocentek> what should go in lib/entities?
[08:24] <BFTD> assin me something
[08:25] <BFTD> I'll work on desktopeffects
[08:25] <BFTD> there's nothing in there!!
[08:26] <fijam> yes. I've told Freddy and Jim there's nothing to be taken and that I see no point in working on several in parallel
[08:26] <fijam> as for the entities Freddy is taking care of this
[08:27] <fijam> he should've sorted it out already, though
[08:28] <fijam> however, I suppose the documentation will be done on time.
[08:28] <BFTD> yeah
[08:28] <BFTD> we have what...7 weeks?
[08:29] <fijam> more or less
[08:30] <fijam> doable.
[08:31] <BFTD> How does one add stuff to the documentation?
[08:32] <fijam> well, you make a patch and send the commit to ubuntu-doc
[08:38] <BFTD> ah
[08:38] <fijam> you just might want to contact the person who is currently modifying the given section in order not to duplicate the work.
[08:38] <BFTD> ok
[08:38] <BFTD> who's freddy?
[08:38] <fijam> Admiral_Chicago
[08:38] <BFTD> ah
[08:38] <BFTD> haha
[08:38] <BFTD> ok
[08:38] <BFTD> that makes it so much easier