=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU likely down for the next few days === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Fujitsu at Wed Aug 8 04:01:59 2007 [07:02] (superm1/#ubuntu-motu) night bddebian [07:14] Hobbsee, okay well i updated it, if you get some time this `date` to look over/upload i'd appreciate it, if not then i'll leave a response to colin's email for Riddell for any of the people CC'ed to look, upload and respond to the email if/when they do [07:14] RAOF: oh dear, you play WoW as well? :) === Hobbsee emails the uni. again. [07:16] hm, and StevenK is playing WoW as well, MOTU is going downhill [07:17] StevenK: I have it working fine with 0.9.41 from winehq on amd64 [07:19] ajmitch: jml got me into it. Blame him :) [07:20] my flatmate got me into it [07:21] "Masters of the Universe" sounds like a cool guild... :) === pschulz01 [n=paul@ubuntu/member/pschulz01] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] hehe :) [07:21] though we'll be on different servers === ajmitch wonders which server StevenK is on [07:22] :/ [07:22] how can you guys possibly find time for WoW, Ubuntu, and RL? [07:22] superm1: they dont. [07:22] I only work fulltime [07:22] WoW *is* RL [07:22] haha [07:22] superm1: Big pants. Helps tremendously :P === Lifehacker [n=aanjhan@59.92.27.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:23] superm1: plus having WoW just run windowed helps me use irc at the same time :) [07:24] well i can't imagine what it's like to be part of two cults at the same time :) One (Ubuntu) is enough for me :) [07:25] he dares call it a cult === ajmitch isn't even near level 70 yet :) [07:26] haha [07:30] the guild I'm has quite a few people in melbourne who are meeting up for dinner tonight, actually [07:32] see that's more justifiable then. === Hobbsee wonders what would happen if all the MOTU's went and played WOW [07:33] universe would suffer [07:33] yes, but how much? [07:33] I think if they could limit their play time to a few hours a week at most, it'd be ok === ajmitch even managed to do some ubuntu stuff last night === RAOF does limit his WoW time [07:34] RAOF, to 'waking hours'? === RAOF hasn't yet got the telepathic interface installed on his laptop, so he can't play WoW in his sleep yet. [07:35] hehe === ajmitch doesn't play it on the laptop [07:36] RAOF, it's not just sudo apt-get install wow-telepathy yet? Sounds like you've got something that needs packaging [07:36] I haven't tried with the i915 & wine :) [07:36] Incidentally, granparadiso has finally got a feature I've been after for ages: native gtk-form widgets [07:36] superm1: Sadly, the hardware doesn't have a linux driver yet :P === ajmitch tests out the f-spot photo viewer mode === RAOF wishes nvidia didn't suck so badly at writing drivers. Again [07:39] what's their problem this time? [07:39] They can't run anything OpenGL while compiz is on. [07:39] they can [07:39] They kill X as soon as I try. [07:39] it is just slow [07:39] I used to play WoW while compiz was enabled [07:40] Where as for *me*, it's a blinding fast killing of X. [07:40] it stuttered too much [07:40] windowed or fullscreen? [07:40] Fullscreen [07:40] right, I have it windowed [07:43] you should convince Hobbsee to start playing [07:43] hah [07:43] i dont really have time to do ubuntu stuff, if i want to pass uni, let alone WOW> [07:44] true :) [08:03] ok, back later :) === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@xanadu.blop.info] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] ScottK: marked that u-r-e bug as fixed === Hobbsee *is* one of the main developers of that :) === guardian [n=Guardian@mar44-1-87-90-32-28.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=weechat@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] hello all [08:45] hiya zakame [08:45] hi Hobbsee === oracle2025 [n=oracle@85-127-186-117.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lifehacker [n=aanjhan@59.92.28.157] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu yawns. [08:54] wake up Fujitsu... === Fujitsu squashes some more RC bugs. [08:55] I've filed too many sync requests today :( === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] Oh, lovely, I just accidentally SIGSTOPped compiz, and X decided it couldn't change to a VT until it woke up. === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-25-51.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-81-173-224-6.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] Yay. Electric sheep fix! === davromaniak [n=cyril@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-149-196.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:04] ...and apt-proxy. [10:05] Now, let's package Miro! [10:07] damn, another new version of qtpfsgui was released, and I forgot to send my translation to the dev, :s [10:07] hello [10:07] hello [10:07] looks like REVU moved somewhere [10:07] any idea, where can I find it? [10:08] vil: see /topic [10:08] siretart: Can you possibly point revu.tauware.de to some page saying REVU is down for some time? [10:08] Fujitsu, silly me [10:08] :) [10:10] Or I could extend software-sources to be able to add repositories from a file. Hm. === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-25-51.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:20] Hrm. I think that's enough WoW. [10:20] StevenK: Hah. WORK! [10:21] Is WoW really that good? === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK is finding it enjoyable. [10:23] It's more so with other people. [10:24] It needs integrated VoIP, though :) === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-249.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF does his best to bring down launchpad by checking out bzr branches === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] Hi all [10:29] Howdie. === ajmitch returns [10:31] StevenK: amazing, you can stop when you need to ;) [10:32] Very funny. ;-) [10:32] who has seen the post about 'getlibs' on the list? [10:32] that's just scary broken crack [10:32] me [10:32] Probably. [10:33] at least it doesn't dump straight into /usr/lib [10:33] StevenK: what realm & faction? === StevenK has already forgotten. [10:34] heh [10:34] I'm doing so well today ... [10:35] just started playing today? [10:35] Yup [10:36] poor chap [10:36] Installed it and patched it up to 2.1.3 last night. [10:36] trial account still? [10:37] Guest Pass key, so far. [10:38] Re: getlibs. amd64 users do crazy, crazy things. [10:39] I saw that on the forums and meant to bring it up sometime. === ajmitch plays wine just fine on amd64 without such crack [10:40] s/wine/wow/ === StevenK does too. [10:40] So do I. I'm not really sure of the use-case for it. === Fujitsu wonders why the people who want all the i386 stuff don't just use i386. [10:40] though 0.9.42 had some interesting artifacts when I tried it === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] I just find it strange that I can't type in WoW when I run it under Gnome. [10:40] Because they've bought a 64bit capable chip, and they're gonna use a 64bit distro on it, damnit! [10:41] because amd64 is ZOMG FASTEST [10:41] StevenK: odd, I can, running it windowed === StevenK is running it full screen [10:42] I can, running it fullscreen. === pygi [n=mario@157-249.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:42] Also with wine 0.9.42 [10:42] I like having easy access to a browser & irc :) [10:42] I am slightly confused by the freeze dead-lines [10:43] vil: that's ok, they're there to confuse people [10:43] ajmitch: That appeals. Running it 1024x768 windowed sounds nice. [10:43] can someone pls tell me, when is the last date to upload a completely new package, which does not exist even in debian? [10:43] StevenK: yeah, though 1280x1024 for me [10:43] vil: new packages freeze, aug 30 [10:44] ajmitch: Heh, my desktop is only 1280x1024. [10:44] silly me again [10:44] how could I overlook that one? [10:44] ajmitch thanks [10:44] the freeze for new packages is later because new packages are less likely to affect the stability of universe [10:45] StevenK: yes, I used to have a 3200x1200 desktop, so having it in a window was rather nice === ajmitch is flying through stranglethorn vale at the moment [10:45] ajmitch, I thought that it is UpstreamVersionFreeze, anyway ... [10:45] Aren't Debian maintainers meant to include NMUs in their changelogs? [10:45] dual-core means I can still build ubuntu packages in the background :) [10:45] Yes? [10:46] ajmitch: That's an excellent point. [10:46] Although I've got a buildd for that purpose :) [10:47] Fujitsu: They don't have to, it's a nice-to-have === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:51] hello jml [10:51] ajmitch: hi [10:51] I'm about to try to figure out how to get linux talking to my shiny new monitor from my macbook. [10:52] but I'm not going to ask for help here, because that would be naughty ;) [10:52] ajmitch: Realm Nagrand, by the way [10:53] psh. === Fujitsu wonders if 26 RC bugs is enough for the day. [10:53] Frostmourne ftw. [10:53] StevenK: ah right, I'm on khaz'goroth [10:53] Fujitsu: no [10:53] ajmitch: me too. === Fujitsu keeps going then. [10:53] See? Everyone should be on Frostmourne. [10:53] jml: oh? [10:53] ajmitch: Mandalon on Khaz'goroth. [10:54] *monitor on linux* go go go [10:54] Fujitsu: thanks for tackling those :) [10:54] jml: ah, horde.. [10:54] ajmitch: of course. [10:55] ajmitch: the alliance have no honor. [10:55] ajmitch: 'tis all I can do. [10:55] and the horde no talent, so it balances? [10:56] not that we're at all off-topic here :) [10:56] since we all play it on wine, I presume [10:56] Not jml. [10:56] oh dear [10:56] ajmitch: OS X actually. [10:56] the shame [10:56] He has an OS X install, the fool. [10:57] RAOF: the fool who wants to get firmware updates. === RAOF pities the foo :P [10:57] jml: ubuntu is good for you [10:57] although, actually I can't because I deleted a whole bunch of stuff to fit wow into my tiny tiny OS X partition. [10:57] ajmitch: I <3 ubuntu. [10:57] addict [10:57] ajmitch: I just don't use it to play wow. [10:57] also, [10:57] I have this ubuntu install that doesn't let me use my shiny new monitor :P [10:58] fix it! === davro-desktop [n=davro@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] huh, the gentoo guys seem to have a patch. [10:58] For what? [10:58] i810switch === StevenK kicks the game manual === Fujitsu hugs -intel + randr1.2 [10:58] it doesn't recognize my PCI id [10:58] Isn't the -intel driver meant to be your friend. === ajmitch should install the new intel driver on the laptop [10:59] RAOF: friend how? [10:59] if it's not already on there [10:59] jml: As in doing xrandr 1.2, AKA "multimonitor just works" [10:59] Although I'm not sure how much that works on Feisty, of course :P [10:59] Server reports RandR version 1.1 [11:00] Bah, Feisty is prehistoric. [11:00] jml: And that's with the -intel rather than -i810 driver? [11:00] feisty is so 3 months ago [11:00] RAOF: no, that's with the i810. I'll try -intel [11:00] Yeah. I think I mentioned the -intel driver before? Maybe. [11:00] Only Gutsy's Xorg supports 1.2 [11:00] RAOF: and I tried it before [11:00] but no joy. [11:00] I'll try again. [11:00] Ah, of course. Gutsy fixes it :P [11:01] I'm not installing gutsy on my laptop until I get a backup system. === RAOF mocks the canonnical policy of running latest stable Ubuntu on work machines! [11:01] RAOF: we run beta, actually. [11:02] But that's so far away! We're not even at freeze yet! [11:02] RAOF: this is the jml policy of "I fix Launchapd, other people chase down packaging bugs" [11:02] everyone needs a friendly launchpad hacker to harass, right? === jml restarts X [11:03] So, I'd like the "One click installer" thread to die, and I thought I'd achieve this by teaching software-properties about GPG keys, since it already knows about sources.list files. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] Damn it, WoW, stop demanding to be fullscreen! [11:04] StevenK: you may need to use winecfg [11:05] Emulate a virual desktop? [11:05] My current thinking is to have a simple [repo-key] [repositories] format, and parsing that. Comments? [11:05] OK. That gives me mirroring. [11:05] RAOF: talk to glatzor first [11:05] ajmitch: He's doing something similar? Cool. [11:05] RAOF: server still reports 1.1 [11:06] Yeah, sorry. Apparently that's Gutsy only. [11:06] RAOF: Okay, fixed the focus bug. If I don't let the window manager control the windows, it doesn't give keyboard focus. [11:07] some could even do with two! [11:08] OK. So, next steps: figure out mirroring, figure out how to configure res on new monitor, figure out if there's an easy way to switch between mirrored and dual-head. === borga2 [n=IceChat7@c-d119e255.1052-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] Neat. WoW silences the music if I shade it. === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:11] Hrm. Seeing the lack of cash I have without going to a vendor would be nice. [11:12] StevenK: open your primary bag [11:12] 'b' by default [11:13] ok, so I think I've got an on-topic-ish sort of question. [11:13] uh oh [11:13] I have a patch for i810switch, I've apt-get source'd the package and am about to apply the patch. [11:13] how do I go from there to a .deb that I can install? [11:13] add an entry in debian/changelog [11:13] debuild [11:14] jml: Ah, right. Hiding down the bottom of the bag in plain sight. [11:14] install devscripts for debuild, or should I get something else? [11:14] jml: Thanks. :-) [11:15] devscripts has it [11:15] StevenK: any time you need help with something obvious, you'll know who to call ;) [11:15] jml: :-) [11:15] jml: To add a changelog entry, you want "dch -i" === ajmitch never uses dch :) [11:15] jml: Depending on which release you want to build for, you may need pbuilder or sbuild. [11:15] Really? What do you use? [11:15] Or hit up RAOF for access to his buildd. === StevenK uses either dch or debian-changelog-mode. === StevenK runs off. [11:16] my editor has abilities, I'm sure I'll manage [11:16] jml: If you're targetting Gutsy, you're welcome to build on my buildd :) [11:16] RAOF: I'm targetting jml's laptop. [11:16] Heh. [11:16] Ok. [11:17] RAOF: if this works, I'll investigate forwarding the patch on. [11:19] RAOF: hey [11:19] Fujitsu: hm, I would need to adjust the DNS. do you expect the downtime longer? [11:19] Amaranth: Ho! [11:19] RAOF: do you remember what the advantage to not reparenting in compiz was supposed to be? :) [11:20] No, I don't :) [11:20] RAOF: I thought it was so you could do alpha in the decoration even if the app didn't support it [11:20] Maybe? I think I knew at some point, or at least had it mentioned in my presence, but no longer :) [11:20] RAOF: But kwin reparents and can still do alpha, it just uses twice the pixmap memory because X makes a copy of the pixmap for the window manager to use === roshan_s [n=roshan@122.162.116.120] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] wow, that almost worked. [11:22] Heh. === jml tries the i810 driver again. [11:23] brb === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:25] weird. [11:25] Oh, lovely, all servers but tiber have been recovered. [11:25] Fujitsu: 22nd of sept ;) [11:26] Fujitsu: did they keep the same ip? [11:26] This page refers to an i810 manpage, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo [11:26] Fujitsu: are they still hosted at serverpronto at all? [11:27] what actual manpage might it be referring to? [11:27] Fujitsu: Maybe the canonical sysadmins took one look at tiber at said "Uh huh. Like that's getting turned on again." :-P [11:27] siretart, no [11:27] jml: Have you tried "man i810"? [11:27] siretart: It will have a different IP, and will probably move into the DC. See Jono's latest email to loco-contacts ML, and maybe poke somebody to work out what's happening. [11:28] elkbuntu: Fujitsu: then it is very likely that tiber is up as well, and just needs the dns adjusted, which I'd love to do === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:28] siretart: No, tiber hasn't been recovered yet. [11:28] Fujitsu: sorry? what mail of jono? [11:28] siretart: On the loco-contacts mailing list. [11:28] Fujitsu: I'm not subscribed on that list [11:29] Fujitsu: can you send me a link to the archive? [11:29] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html [11:29] that one? [11:30] That's the one, I believe. [11:31] hey siretart [11:31] I wans't even aware that tiber is one of the loco servers. nor that the loco teams do have sponsored servers as well === Fujitsu finds it a little unlikely that tiber was compromised, given the general technical competency of its users. [11:32] (well, I think I read the latter somewhere on irc, but not a definitive announcement or something) [11:32] siretart: It's not a LoCo server, but it's categorised as one of the LoCo set. [11:32] hi ajmitch! [11:32] Fujitsu: ah, I see [11:32] I think ubuntu-doc might also have one, but otherwise it's all LoCos. === jekil [n=alessand@host129-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] Fujitsu: well, I assume that elmo will contact me as soon as he knows more about tiber's status [11:34] siretart: Does he know you run it and all? [11:34] for the 'sorry I'm down page', I'd happily repoint the dns of tauware.de to somehwere else, [11:35] I'd need to setup a vhost or something here, I'd need ot do that tonight [11:35] RAOF: I did, but it didn't work. Turns out I actually need to have xserver-xorg-video-i810 installed for it to work. [11:35] Fujitsu: he apologized for not emailing me about tiber's downtime. so I'd assume yes [11:35] that was on irc [11:35] siretart: Ah, good. I did complain to newz2000 that nobody had been notified. [11:35] ok, need to visit my familiy now, see you tonight! [11:35] Bye! [11:36] jml: How were you using the -i810 driver without that package installed??? === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:38] RAOF: I wasn't. [11:38] Ah. You were using -intel? Or vesa? [11:38] RAOF: was using -intel. [11:38] Ah. [11:38] Still am using -intel, but now have -i810 installed. [11:38] Heh. === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:40] is there an easy way to figure out the modeline & related fu for my external monitor? [11:41] There's an online modeline generator, but unless intel cards are annoyingly crap you won't need it. [11:43] so I should need to specify refresh rates or anything? [11:43] No === pygi [n=mario@157-249.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] back when I was a lad, we used to run xconfig or something like that [11:44] You may want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but I don't think that does Xinerama. [11:45] Damnit, gutsy is full of tools for you [11:45] Displayconfig-gtk, for example. [11:45] like I said, once I get a backup box, I'll think about upgrading. [11:45] Yeah. === LucidFox [n=sikon@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@2.Red-83-33-71.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mkoch [n=mkoch@dynadsl-080-228-202-156.ewetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] good to hear about the SCO vs Novell ruling === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] ajmitch: Old news, but very good. === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:27] sure, but I don't keep up with the news on the minute it happens :) [12:27] I found out about 13 hours ago, so it's not really recent. === man-di just came back from vacation (one week without computers) and wonders what the ruling was === Amaranth found out like 10 minutes after it showed up on groklaw [12:28] so ha! :P [12:28] man-di: Novell has been found to be the copyright owner of UNIX(Ware), so SCO v. IBM is invalid. [12:29] And SCO owes Novell a crapload of money from the Microsoft and Sun deals [12:29] Just a bit. === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-223-194.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] Supposedly more than their net worth. [12:29] The legalese for 'stealing' was in there more than once :) [12:29] hmm [12:29] `conversion' [12:29] right, that was the word === Fujitsu will watch their stock price on Monday. [12:30] Seems that the best I can do is get the external display twinning with the laptop at the laptop's res :( [12:30] Fujitsu: it'll go up, of course [12:30] i.e. the default with xserver-xorg-video-intel [12:30] Amaranth: It seems to have a habit of that. [12:30] 1280x800 at 22" is pretty darn big. === norsetto [n=cesare@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml -> wow [12:31] thanks for the help guys. [12:32] morning === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] Fujitsu: you mean to sew how long before it's delisted? [12:34] ajmitch: Something like that. [12:35] hi [12:35] Wow, not really surprising but good [12:44] norsetto: re bug #129301: amd64 is the only arch where gtk2hs 0.9.12 builds successfully :( [12:44] Launchpad bug 129301 in gtk2hs "[FTBFS] gtk2hs fails to build on Gutsy (amd64) (dup-of: 129277)" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129301 [12:44] Launchpad bug 129277 in gtk2hs "[Sync request] gtk2hs (0.9.11-2) from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129277 === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] geser: that the one I indeed tested [12:48] geser: but I also wrote in the bug report that this should have been on hold [12:51] geser: I suggested to wait for 0.9.12 [12:52] geser: sorry, I just noticed you are indeed talking about 0.9.12 [12:52] I uploaded gtk2hs 0.9.12-0ubuntu1 yesterday once I tested if it builds (on amd64) to fix the unmet deps for it [12:53] geser: yes, I tested that on amd64 and was ok [12:53] me too [12:54] amd64 is ok, but it FTBFS on the other archs (but now with a different error as 0.9.11) [12:56] geser: strange error, I wonder if CUint is long === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=cesare@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DreamThi1f [n=mathias@gateway.3vilh4x0r.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DreamThi1f [n=mathias@gateway.3vilh4x0r.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jeromeg [n=jerome@gra94-2-82-66-142-60.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] !info unicon gutsy [01:46] Package unicon does not exist in gutsy [01:46] unison, you mean? [01:46] !info unicon-imc2 gutsy [01:46] unicon-imc2: Chinese Input Method Library. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.4-12 (gutsy), package size 4058 kB, installed size 10068 kB [01:46] Oh. [01:46] Fujitsu: teach him source packages ;) [01:47] I must convince Seveas to make it learn about sources. [01:47] but unicon looks good :) [01:47] !info fireflier gutsy [01:47] Package fireflier does not exist in gutsy [01:48] brr [01:48] !info fireflier-server gutsy [01:48] fireflier-server: Interactive firewall rule creation tool - server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 45 kB, installed size 196 kB [01:48] that is a strange version number [01:49] Why? [01:49] !info fireflier-server sid [01:49] fireflier-server: Interactive firewall rule creation tool - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.7-3 (sid), package size 44 kB, installed size 128 kB [01:50] white: It was turned into a native package in Debian for a while. [01:50] well the 1.1.7 version should have the security patch [01:50] Yes, it has that fix. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] Hi Hobbsee. [01:54] Hi Hobbsee === Nicke_ [n=niclasa@c83-251-18-216.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] heya Fujitsu, geser === RainC1 [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === simu [n=simon@dhcp-99-14.vpn.unibe.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainC1 is now known as RainCT === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-184-157.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LucidFox [n=sikon@wikia/Sikon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === badders [n=tom@host86-128-175-151.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === badders [n=tom@host86-128-175-151.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] Any pygtk pro around ? I'm having a nice python crash (real crash, not syntax one) with Pixbuf in treeview when hovering them (no event set for hovering) ? [02:56] Any known issue with python 2.5 and pygtk treeview ? === davro-desktop [n=davro@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [DarkSun88] [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] I have a package which needs Internet access to download some files when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. Is that OK of should I tweak the build system to have everything locally? [03:06] pgquiles: There is no Internet access on the buildds. Everything must be local. [03:07] another reason to have the files locally is that the build can be reproduced [03:07] Fujitsu: that's going to require a lot of tweaking :-/ [03:08] so, should I create a mypackage-builddepends.deb package with the dependencies? === [DarkSun88] is now known as DarkSun88 === norsetto [n=cesare@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] pgquiles: What is it downloading? === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] broonie: a few .jar files from sourceforge.net [03:17] broonie: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive/+build/348896 [03:17] https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium [03:18] those .jar are only useful when building some apache stuff [03:18] it also downloads its own version of libcppunit, apr, etc [03:19] Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww. [03:19] it's part of the log4cxx build system :-/ === Fujitsu washes his hands of it and quickly goes to bed. [03:19] :-D [03:19] Um. Yeah. [03:20] without an Internet connection in the build farm, I'd essentially need to rewrite the whole buildsystem for the software [03:20] IMO, you should leave it alone, complain to upstream, and attempt to package it again when they use a vaguely sane build system. [03:20] Independantly of the needs of the buildds that doesn't sound like a bad idea. [03:20] Downloading private copies of various libraries is completely wrong. [03:20] upstream is uttely insane [03:21] they have not published a new version in 4 years [03:21] If they really need their forked versions at build time they should be shipping them in the distribution. [03:21] Get upstream to fix it. [03:21] If they really need their forked versions, they should probably fix themselves so they don't need their forked versions. === broonie nods Fujitsu [03:21] they are not using forked versions [03:22] it's just they build the latest version to check everything is OK without requiring those packages to be installed in the system [03:22] which is very comfortable when you build log4cxx from sources yourself, but it's very inconvenient when trying to package the stuff [03:22] Well, I am off to bed to cry myself to sleep about this crazy upstream. [03:23] This sounds like a variation on the problem with upstreams including copies of zlib, then? [03:23] not exactly because these people are not including a copy of the cppunit, apr, etc but downloading them from sourceforge and apache.org [03:24] it they were including their own copy, I'd have no problem [03:24] I would have a problem. [03:24] Yes, but ignoring the crack with downloading it's the same problem. [03:24] No, including and using a local copy is still a problem. [03:25] I'm sending them an e-mail, let's wait for an answer === Lifehacker [n=aanjhan@59.92.11.133] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] Ask your favourite security team member (they don't like having to do security fixes for $BIGNUM packages all with their own copy of $LIBRARY) [03:26] Ideally they should be able to use copies of this stuff that are already installed on the system and only fall back to their own copies (whereever they are) if they can't find one already installed. [03:28] well, that'd be OK for apr, libcppunit, etc [03:29] I'd still need to provide packaged versions of ant-contrib and cpptasks, though [03:29] which is OK, anyway === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-194-236.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] Heya gang [03:54] hey ho bddebian [03:55] Hi pygi === norsetto bows === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] Hi bddebian [04:02] Heya geser === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe88fb00-133.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:48] Hobbsee: Cool. I knew about metapackage install recommends, but I didn't know they'd already been changed. Thanks. [04:50] ScottK: yeah, mvo fixed that bug, as i kept bugging him :) === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainC1 [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] Cool. === jdong [n=jdong@STRATTON-FIVE-FIFTY-TWO.MIT.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK is not feeling well today, so he guesses that narrows his IRC vocabulary. === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387DCBE.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.95.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@203.Red-81-38-145.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackska1 [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=norsetto@host92-221-dynamic.54-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] ScottK: can we have a word about bug 131670? [05:57] Launchpad bug 131670 in poker-network "Please merge poker-network-1.1.1-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131670 === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@203.Red-81-38-145.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@13.Red-81-39-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] bddebian, poke [06:35]