[07:02] (superm1/#ubuntu-motu) night bddebian
[07:14] <superm1> Hobbsee, okay well i updated it, if you get some time this `date` to look over/upload i'd appreciate it, if not then i'll leave a response to colin's email for Riddell for any of the people CC'ed to look, upload and respond to the email if/when they do
[07:14] <ajmitch> RAOF: oh dear, you play WoW as well? :)
[07:16] <ajmitch> hm, and StevenK is playing WoW as well, MOTU is going downhill
[07:17] <ajmitch> StevenK: I have it working fine with 0.9.41 from winehq on amd64
[07:19] <RAOF> ajmitch: jml got me into it.  Blame him :)
[07:20] <ajmitch> my flatmate got me into it
[07:21] <RAOF> "Masters of the Universe" sounds like a cool guild... :)
[07:21] <ajmitch> hehe :)
[07:21] <ajmitch> though we'll be on different servers
[07:22] <RAOF> :/
[07:22] <superm1> how can you guys possibly find time for WoW, Ubuntu, and RL?
[07:22] <Hobbsee> superm1: they dont.
[07:22] <ajmitch> I only work fulltime
[07:22] <ajmitch> WoW *is* RL
[07:22] <superm1> haha
[07:22] <RAOF> superm1: Big pants.  Helps tremendously :P
[07:23] <ajmitch> superm1: plus having WoW just run windowed helps me use irc at the same time :)
[07:24] <superm1> well i can't imagine what it's like to be part of two cults at the same time :) One (Ubuntu) is enough for me :)
[07:25] <ajmitch> he dares call it a cult
[07:26] <superm1> haha
[07:30] <ajmitch> the guild I'm has quite a few people in melbourne who are meeting up for dinner tonight, actually
[07:32] <superm1> see that's more justifiable then.
[07:33] <ajmitch> universe would suffer
[07:33] <Hobbsee> yes, but how much?
[07:33] <ajmitch> I think if they could limit their play time to a few hours a week at most, it'd be ok
[07:34] <elkbuntu> RAOF, to 'waking hours'?
[07:35] <elkbuntu> hehe
[07:36] <superm1> RAOF, it's not just sudo apt-get install wow-telepathy yet?  Sounds like you've got something that needs packaging
[07:36] <ajmitch> I haven't tried with the i915 & wine :)
[07:36] <RAOF> Incidentally, granparadiso has finally got a feature I've been after for ages: native gtk-form widgets
[07:36] <RAOF> superm1: Sadly, the hardware doesn't have a linux driver yet :P
[07:39] <ajmitch> what's their problem this time?
[07:39] <RAOF> They can't run anything OpenGL while compiz is on.
[07:39] <ajmitch> they can
[07:39] <RAOF> They kill X as soon as I try.
[07:39] <ajmitch> it is just slow
[07:39] <ajmitch> I used to play WoW while compiz was enabled
[07:40] <RAOF> Where as for *me*, it's a blinding fast killing of X.
[07:40] <ajmitch> it stuttered too much
[07:40] <ajmitch> windowed or fullscreen?
[07:40] <RAOF> Fullscreen
[07:40] <ajmitch> right, I have it windowed
[07:43] <ajmitch> you should convince Hobbsee to start playing
[07:43] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:43] <Hobbsee> i dont really have time to do ubuntu stuff, if i want to pass uni, let alone WOW>
[07:44] <ajmitch> true :)
[08:03] <ajmitch> ok, back later :)
[08:25] <Hobbsee> ScottK: marked that u-r-e bug as fixed
[08:45] <zakame> hello all
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hiya zakame
[08:45] <zakame> hi Hobbsee
[08:54] <Hobbsee> wake up Fujitsu...
[08:55] <Fujitsu> I've filed too many sync requests today :(
[09:08] <Fujitsu> Oh, lovely, I just accidentally SIGSTOPped compiz, and X decided it couldn't change to a VT until it woke up.
[09:39] <RAOF> Yay.  Electric sheep fix!
[10:04] <RAOF> ...and apt-proxy.
[10:05] <RAOF> Now, let's package Miro!
[10:07] <davromaniak> damn, another new version of qtpfsgui was released, and I forgot to send my translation to the dev, :s
[10:07] <vil> hello
[10:07] <davromaniak> hello
[10:07] <vil> looks like REVU moved somewhere
[10:07] <vil> any idea, where can I find it?
[10:08] <Fujitsu> vil: see /topic
[10:08] <Fujitsu> siretart: Can you possibly point revu.tauware.de to some page saying REVU is down for some time?
[10:08] <vil> Fujitsu, silly me
[10:08] <vil> :)
[10:10] <RAOF> Or I could extend software-sources to be able to add repositories from a file.  Hm.
[10:20] <StevenK> Hrm. I think that's enough WoW.
[10:20] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Hah. WORK!
[10:21] <Fujitsu> Is WoW really that good?
[10:23] <RAOF> It's more so with other people.
[10:24] <RAOF> It needs integrated VoIP, though :)
[10:29] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[10:29] <RAOF> Howdie.
[10:31] <ajmitch> StevenK: amazing, you can stop when you need to ;)
[10:32] <StevenK> Very funny. ;-)
[10:32] <ajmitch> who has seen the post about 'getlibs' on the list?
[10:32] <ajmitch> that's just scary broken crack
[10:32] <Fujitsu> me
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[10:33] <ajmitch> at least it doesn't dump straight into /usr/lib
[10:33] <ajmitch> StevenK: what realm & faction?
[10:34] <ajmitch> heh
[10:34] <StevenK> I'm doing so well today ...
[10:35] <ajmitch> just started playing today?
[10:35] <StevenK> Yup
[10:36] <ajmitch> poor chap
[10:36] <StevenK> Installed it and patched it up to 2.1.3 last night.
[10:36] <ajmitch> trial account still?
[10:37] <StevenK> Guest Pass key, so far.
[10:38] <RAOF> Re: getlibs.  amd64 users do crazy, crazy things.
[10:39] <RAOF> I saw that on the forums and meant to bring it up sometime.
[10:40] <ajmitch> s/wine/wow/
[10:40] <RAOF> So do I.  I'm not really sure of the use-case for it.
[10:40] <ajmitch> though 0.9.42 had some interesting artifacts when I tried it
[10:40] <StevenK> I just find it strange that I can't type in WoW when I run it under Gnome.
[10:40] <RAOF> Because they've bought a 64bit capable chip, and they're gonna use a 64bit distro on it, damnit!
[10:41] <ajmitch> because amd64 is ZOMG FASTEST
[10:41] <ajmitch> StevenK: odd, I can, running it windowed
[10:42] <RAOF> I can, running it fullscreen.
[10:42] <RAOF> Also with wine 0.9.42
[10:42] <ajmitch> I like having easy access to a browser & irc :)
[10:42] <vil> I am slightly confused by the freeze dead-lines
[10:43] <ajmitch> vil: that's ok, they're there to confuse people
[10:43] <StevenK> ajmitch: That appeals. Running it 1024x768 windowed sounds nice.
[10:43] <vil> can someone pls tell me, when is the last date to upload a completely new package, which does not exist even in debian?
[10:43] <ajmitch> StevenK: yeah, though 1280x1024 for me
[10:43] <ajmitch> vil: new packages freeze, aug 30
[10:44] <StevenK> ajmitch: Heh, my desktop is only 1280x1024.
[10:44] <vil> silly me again
[10:44] <vil> how could I overlook that one?
[10:44] <vil> ajmitch thanks
[10:44] <ajmitch> the freeze for new packages is later because new packages are less likely to affect the stability of universe
[10:45] <ajmitch> StevenK: yes, I used to have a 3200x1200 desktop, so having it in a window was rather nice
[10:45] <vil> ajmitch, I thought that it is UpstreamVersionFreeze, anyway ...
[10:45] <Fujitsu> Aren't Debian maintainers meant to include NMUs in their changelogs?
[10:45] <ajmitch> dual-core means I can still build ubuntu packages in the background :)
[10:45] <RAOF> Yes?
[10:46] <RAOF> ajmitch: That's an excellent point.
[10:46] <RAOF> Although I've got a buildd for that purpose :)
[10:47] <StevenK> Fujitsu: They don't have to, it's a nice-to-have
[10:51] <ajmitch> hello jml
[10:51] <jml> ajmitch: hi
[10:51] <jml> I'm about to try to figure out how to get linux talking to my shiny new monitor from my macbook.
[10:52] <jml> but I'm not going to ask for help here, because that would be naughty ;)
[10:52] <StevenK> ajmitch: Realm Nagrand, by the way
[10:53] <jml> psh.
[10:53] <jml> Frostmourne ftw.
[10:53] <ajmitch> StevenK: ah right, I'm on khaz'goroth
[10:53] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: no
[10:53] <jml> ajmitch: me too.
[10:53] <RAOF> See?  Everyone should be on Frostmourne.
[10:53] <ajmitch> jml: oh?
[10:53] <jml> ajmitch: Mandalon on Khaz'goroth.
[10:54] <jml> *monitor on linux* go go go
[10:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: thanks for tackling those :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> jml: ah, horde..
[10:54] <jml> ajmitch: of course.
[10:55] <jml> ajmitch: the alliance have no honor.
[10:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: 'tis all I can do.
[10:55] <ajmitch> and the horde no talent, so it balances?
[10:56] <ajmitch> not that we're at all off-topic here :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> since we all play it on wine, I presume
[10:56] <RAOF> Not jml.
[10:56] <ajmitch> oh dear
[10:56] <jml> ajmitch: OS X actually.
[10:56] <ajmitch> the shame
[10:56] <RAOF> He has an OS X install, the fool.
[10:57] <jml> RAOF: the fool who wants to get firmware updates.
[10:57] <ajmitch> jml: ubuntu is good for you
[10:57] <jml> although, actually I can't because I deleted a whole bunch of stuff to fit wow into my tiny tiny OS X partition.
[10:57] <jml> ajmitch: I <3 ubuntu.
[10:57] <ajmitch> addict
[10:57] <jml> ajmitch: I just don't use it to play wow.
[10:57] <jml> also,
[10:57] <jml> I have this ubuntu install that doesn't let me use my shiny new monitor :P
[10:58] <ajmitch> fix it!
[10:58] <jml> huh, the gentoo guys seem to have a patch.
[10:58] <RAOF> For what?
[10:58] <jml> i810switch
[10:58] <jml> it doesn't recognize my PCI id
[10:58] <RAOF> Isn't the -intel driver meant to be your friend.
[10:59] <jml> RAOF: friend how?
[10:59] <ajmitch> if it's not already on there
[10:59] <RAOF> jml: As in doing xrandr 1.2, AKA "multimonitor just works"
[10:59] <RAOF> Although I'm not sure how much that works on Feisty, of course :P
[10:59] <jml> Server reports RandR version 1.1
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Bah, Feisty is prehistoric.
[11:00] <RAOF> jml: And that's with the -intel rather than -i810 driver?
[11:00] <ajmitch> feisty is so 3 months ago
[11:00] <jml> RAOF: no, that's with the i810. I'll try -intel
[11:00] <RAOF> Yeah.  I think I mentioned the -intel driver before?  Maybe.
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Only Gutsy's Xorg supports 1.2
[11:00] <jml> RAOF: and I tried it before
[11:00] <jml> but no joy.
[11:00] <jml> I'll try again.
[11:00] <RAOF> Ah, of course.  Gutsy fixes it :P
[11:01] <jml> I'm not installing gutsy on my laptop until I get a backup system.
[11:01] <jml> RAOF: we run beta, actually.
[11:02] <RAOF> But that's so far away!  We're not even at freeze yet!
[11:02] <jml> RAOF: this is the jml policy of "I fix Launchapd, other people chase down packaging bugs"
[11:02] <ajmitch> everyone needs a friendly launchpad hacker to harass, right?
[11:03] <RAOF> So, I'd like the "One click installer" thread to die, and I thought I'd achieve this by teaching software-properties about GPG keys, since it already knows about sources.list files.
[11:04] <StevenK> Damn it, WoW, stop demanding to be fullscreen!
[11:04] <ajmitch> StevenK: you may need to use winecfg
[11:05] <StevenK> Emulate a virual desktop?
[11:05] <RAOF> My current thinking is to have a simple [repo-key] <inline GPG key> [repositories]  format, and parsing that.  Comments?
[11:05] <jml> OK. That gives me mirroring.
[11:05] <ajmitch> RAOF: talk to glatzor first
[11:05] <RAOF> ajmitch: He's doing something similar?  Cool.
[11:05] <jml> RAOF: server still reports 1.1
[11:06] <RAOF> Yeah, sorry.  Apparently that's Gutsy only.
[11:06] <StevenK> RAOF: Okay, fixed the focus bug. If I don't let the window manager control the windows, it doesn't give keyboard focus.
[11:07] <highvoltage> some could even do with two!
[11:08] <jml> OK. So, next steps: figure out mirroring, figure out how to configure res on new monitor, figure out if there's an easy way to switch between mirrored and dual-head.
[11:10] <StevenK> Neat. WoW silences the music if I shade it.
[11:11] <StevenK> Hrm. Seeing the lack of cash I have without going to a vendor would be nice.
[11:12] <jml> StevenK: open your primary bag
[11:12] <jml> 'b' by default
[11:13] <jml> ok, so I think I've got an on-topic-ish sort of question.
[11:13] <ajmitch> uh oh
[11:13] <jml> I have a patch for i810switch, I've apt-get source'd the package and am about to apply the patch.
[11:13] <jml> how do I go from there to a .deb that I can install?
[11:13] <ajmitch> add an entry in debian/changelog
[11:13] <ajmitch> debuild
[11:14] <StevenK> jml: Ah, right. Hiding down the bottom of the bag in plain sight.
[11:14] <jml> install devscripts for debuild, or should I get something else?
[11:14] <StevenK> jml: Thanks. :-)
[11:15] <ajmitch> devscripts has it
[11:15] <jml> StevenK: any time you need help with something obvious, you'll know who to call ;)
[11:15] <StevenK> jml: :-)
[11:15] <RAOF> jml: To add a changelog entry, you want "dch -i"
[11:15] <StevenK> jml: Depending on which release you want to build for, you may need pbuilder or sbuild.
[11:15] <RAOF> Really?  What do you use?
[11:15] <StevenK> Or hit up RAOF for access to his buildd.
[11:16] <jml> my editor has abilities, I'm sure I'll manage
[11:16] <RAOF> jml: If you're targetting Gutsy, you're welcome to build on my buildd :)
[11:16] <jml> RAOF: I'm targetting jml's laptop.
[11:16] <RAOF> Heh.
[11:16] <RAOF> Ok.
[11:17] <jml> RAOF: if this works, I'll investigate forwarding the patch on.
[11:19] <Amaranth> RAOF: hey
[11:19] <siretart> Fujitsu: hm, I would need to adjust the DNS. do you expect the downtime longer?
[11:19] <RAOF> Amaranth: Ho!
[11:19] <Amaranth> RAOF: do you remember what the advantage to not reparenting in compiz was supposed to be? :)
[11:20] <RAOF> No, I don't :)
[11:20] <Amaranth> RAOF: I thought it was so you could do alpha in the decoration even if the app didn't support it
[11:20] <RAOF> Maybe?  I think I knew at some point, or at least had it mentioned in my presence, but no longer :)
[11:20] <Amaranth> RAOF: But kwin reparents and can still do alpha, it just uses twice the pixmap memory because X makes a copy of the pixmap for the window manager to use
[11:22] <jml> wow, that almost worked.
[11:22] <RAOF> Heh.
[11:23] <jml> brb
[11:25] <jml> weird.
[11:25] <Fujitsu> Oh, lovely, all servers but tiber have been recovered.
[11:25] <white> Fujitsu: 22nd of sept ;)
[11:26] <siretart> Fujitsu: did they keep the same ip?
[11:26] <jml> This page refers to an i810 manpage, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo
[11:26] <siretart> Fujitsu: are they still hosted at serverpronto at all?
[11:27] <jml> what actual manpage might it be referring to?
[11:27] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Maybe the canonical sysadmins took one look at tiber at said "Uh huh. Like that's getting turned on again." :-P
[11:27] <elkbuntu> siretart, no
[11:27] <RAOF> jml: Have you tried "man i810"?
[11:27] <Fujitsu> siretart: It will have a different IP, and will probably move into the DC. See Jono's latest email to loco-contacts ML, and maybe poke somebody to work out what's happening.
[11:28] <siretart> elkbuntu: Fujitsu: then it is very likely that tiber is up as well, and just needs the dns adjusted, which I'd love to do
[11:28] <Fujitsu> siretart: No, tiber hasn't been recovered yet.
[11:28] <siretart> Fujitsu: sorry? what mail of jono?
[11:28] <Fujitsu> siretart: On the loco-contacts mailing list.
[11:28] <siretart> Fujitsu: I'm not subscribed on that list
[11:29] <siretart> Fujitsu: can you send me a link to the archive?
[11:29] <siretart> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html
[11:29] <siretart> that one?
[11:30] <Fujitsu> That's the one, I believe.
[11:31] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[11:31] <siretart> I wans't even aware that tiber is one of the loco servers. nor that the loco teams do have sponsored servers as well
[11:32] <siretart> (well, I think I read the latter somewhere on irc, but not a definitive announcement or something)
[11:32] <Fujitsu> siretart: It's not a LoCo server, but it's categorised as one of the LoCo set.
[11:32] <siretart> hi ajmitch!
[11:32] <siretart> Fujitsu: ah, I see
[11:32] <Fujitsu> I think ubuntu-doc might also have one, but otherwise it's all LoCos.
[11:34] <siretart> Fujitsu: well, I assume that elmo will contact me as soon as he knows more about tiber's status
[11:34] <Fujitsu> siretart: Does he know you run it and all?
[11:34] <siretart> for the 'sorry I'm down page', I'd happily repoint the dns of tauware.de to somehwere else,
[11:35] <siretart> I'd need to setup a vhost or something here, I'd need ot do that tonight
[11:35] <jml> RAOF: I did, but it didn't work. Turns out I actually need to have xserver-xorg-video-i810 installed for it to work.
[11:35] <siretart> Fujitsu: he apologized for not emailing me about tiber's downtime. so I'd assume yes
[11:35] <siretart> that was on irc
[11:35] <Fujitsu> siretart: Ah, good. I did complain to newz2000 that nobody had been notified.
[11:35] <siretart> ok, need to visit my familiy now, see you tonight!
[11:35] <Fujitsu> Bye!
[11:36] <RAOF> jml: How were you using the -i810 driver without that package installed???
[11:38] <jml> RAOF: I wasn't.
[11:38] <RAOF> Ah.  You were using -intel?  Or vesa?
[11:38] <jml> RAOF: was using -intel.
[11:38] <RAOF> Ah.
[11:38] <jml> Still am using -intel, but now have -i810 installed.
[11:38] <RAOF> Heh.
[11:40] <jml> is there an easy way to figure out the modeline & related fu for my external monitor?
[11:41] <RAOF> There's an online modeline generator, but unless intel cards are annoyingly crap you won't need it.
[11:43] <jml> so I should need to specify refresh rates or anything?
[11:43] <RAOF> No
[11:44] <jml> back when I was a lad, we used to run xconfig or something like that
[11:44] <RAOF> You may want to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but I don't think that does Xinerama.
[11:45] <RAOF> Damnit, gutsy is full of tools for you
[11:45] <RAOF> Displayconfig-gtk, for example.
[11:45] <jml> like I said, once I get a backup box, I'll think about upgrading.
[11:45] <RAOF> Yeah.
[12:26] <ajmitch> good to hear about the SCO vs Novell ruling
[12:26] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Old news, but very good.
[12:27] <ajmitch> sure, but I don't keep up with the news on the minute it happens :)
[12:27] <Fujitsu> I found out about 13 hours ago, so it's not really recent.
[12:28] <Amaranth> so ha! :P
[12:28] <Fujitsu> man-di: Novell has been found to be the copyright owner of UNIX(Ware), so SCO v. IBM is invalid.
[12:29] <Amaranth> And SCO owes Novell a crapload of money from the Microsoft and Sun deals
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Just a bit.
[12:29] <Fujitsu> Supposedly more than their net worth.
[12:29] <Amaranth> The legalese for 'stealing' was in there more than once :)
[12:29] <jml> hmm
[12:29] <Fujitsu> `conversion'
[12:29] <Amaranth> right, that was the word
[12:30] <jml> Seems that the best I can do is get the external display twinning with the laptop at the laptop's res :(
[12:30] <Amaranth> Fujitsu: it'll go up, of course
[12:30] <jml> i.e. the default with xserver-xorg-video-intel
[12:30] <Fujitsu> Amaranth: It seems to have a habit of that.
[12:30] <jml> 1280x800 at 22" is pretty darn big.
[12:31] <jml> thanks for the help guys.
[12:32] <norsetto> morning
[12:34] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you mean to sew how long before it's delisted?
[12:34] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Something like that.
[12:35] <RainCT> hi
[12:35] <man-di> Wow, not really surprising but good
[12:44] <geser> norsetto: re bug #129301: amd64 is the only arch where gtk2hs 0.9.12 builds successfully :(
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129301 in gtk2hs "[FTBFS]  gtk2hs fails to build on Gutsy (amd64) (dup-of: 129277)" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129301
[12:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129277 in gtk2hs "[Sync request]  gtk2hs (0.9.11-2) from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129277
[12:47] <norsetto> geser: that the one I indeed tested
[12:48] <norsetto> geser: but I also wrote in the bug report that this should have been on hold
[12:51] <norsetto> geser: I suggested to wait for 0.9.12
[12:52] <norsetto> geser: sorry, I just noticed you are indeed talking about 0.9.12
[12:52] <geser> I uploaded gtk2hs 0.9.12-0ubuntu1 yesterday once I tested if it builds (on amd64) to fix the unmet deps for it
[12:53] <norsetto> geser: yes, I tested that on amd64 and was ok
[12:53] <geser> me too
[12:54] <geser> amd64 is ok, but it FTBFS on the other archs (but now with a different error as 0.9.11)
[12:56] <norsetto> geser: strange error, I wonder if CUint is long
[01:46] <white> !info unicon gutsy
[01:46] <ubotu> Package unicon does not exist in gutsy
[01:46] <Fujitsu> unison, you mean?
[01:46] <white> !info unicon-imc2 gutsy
[01:46] <ubotu> unicon-imc2: Chinese Input Method Library. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0.4-12 (gutsy), package size 4058 kB, installed size 10068 kB
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Oh.
[01:46] <white> Fujitsu: teach him source packages ;)
[01:47] <Fujitsu> I must convince Seveas to make it learn about sources.
[01:47] <white> but unicon looks good :)
[01:47] <white> !info fireflier gutsy
[01:47] <ubotu> Package fireflier does not exist in gutsy
[01:48] <white> brr
[01:48] <white> !info fireflier-server gutsy
[01:48] <ubotu> fireflier-server: Interactive firewall rule creation tool - server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 45 kB, installed size 196 kB
[01:48] <white> that is a strange version number
[01:49] <Fujitsu> Why?
[01:49] <Fujitsu> !info fireflier-server sid
[01:49] <ubotu> fireflier-server: Interactive firewall rule creation tool - server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.7-3 (sid), package size 44 kB, installed size 128 kB
[01:50] <Fujitsu> white: It was turned into a native package in Debian for a while.
[01:50] <white> well the 1.1.7 version should have the security patch
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Yes, it has that fix.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[01:54] <geser> Hi Hobbsee
[01:55] <Hobbsee> heya Fujitsu, geser
[02:55] <stgraber> Any pygtk pro around ? I'm having a nice python crash (real crash, not syntax one) with Pixbuf in treeview when hovering them (no event set for hovering) ?
[02:56] <stgraber> Any known issue with python 2.5 and pygtk treeview ?
[03:05] <pgquiles> I have a package which needs Internet access to download some files when running dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. Is that OK of should I tweak the build system to have everything locally?
[03:06] <Fujitsu> pgquiles: There is no Internet access on the buildds. Everything must be local.
[03:07] <geser> another reason to have the files locally is that the build can be reproduced
[03:07] <pgquiles> Fujitsu: that's going to require a lot of tweaking :-/
[03:08] <pgquiles> so, should I create a mypackage-builddepends.deb package with the dependencies?
[03:13] <broonie> pgquiles: What is it downloading?
[03:16] <pgquiles> broonie: a few .jar files from sourceforge.net
[03:17] <pgquiles> broonie: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive/+build/348896
[03:17] <pgquiles> https://dogfood.launchpad.net/+builds/rubidium
[03:18] <pgquiles> those .jar are only useful when building some apache stuff
[03:18] <pgquiles> it also downloads its own version of libcppunit, apr, etc
[03:19] <Fujitsu>  Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
[03:19] <pgquiles> it's part of the log4cxx build system :-/
[03:19] <pgquiles> :-D
[03:19] <broonie> Um. Yeah.
[03:20] <pgquiles> without an Internet connection in the build farm, I'd essentially need to rewrite the whole buildsystem for the software
[03:20] <Fujitsu> IMO, you should leave it alone, complain to upstream, and attempt to package it again when they use a vaguely sane build system.
[03:20] <broonie> Independantly of the needs of the buildds that doesn't sound like a bad idea.
[03:20] <Fujitsu> Downloading private copies of various libraries is completely wrong.
[03:20] <pgquiles> upstream is uttely insane
[03:21] <pgquiles> they have not published a new version in 4 years
[03:21] <broonie> If they really need their forked versions at build time they should be shipping them in the distribution.
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Get upstream to fix it.
[03:21] <Fujitsu> If they really need their forked versions, they should probably fix themselves so they don't need their forked versions.
[03:21] <pgquiles> they are not using forked versions
[03:22] <pgquiles> it's just they build the latest version to check everything is OK without requiring those packages to be installed in the system
[03:22] <pgquiles> which is very comfortable when you build log4cxx from sources yourself, but it's very inconvenient when trying to package the stuff
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Well, I am off to bed to cry myself to sleep about this crazy upstream.
[03:23] <broonie> This sounds like a variation on the problem with upstreams including copies of zlib, then?
[03:23] <pgquiles> not exactly because these people are not including a copy of the cppunit, apr, etc but downloading them from sourceforge and apache.org
[03:24] <pgquiles> it they were including their own copy, I'd have no problem
[03:24] <Fujitsu> I would have a problem.
[03:24] <broonie> Yes, but ignoring the crack with downloading it's the same problem.
[03:24] <broonie> No, including and using a local copy is still a problem.
[03:25] <pgquiles> I'm sending them an e-mail, let's wait for an answer
[03:25] <broonie> Ask your favourite security team member (they don't like having to do security fixes for $BIGNUM packages all with their own copy of $LIBRARY)
[03:26] <broonie> Ideally they should be able to use copies of this stuff that are already installed on the system and only fall back to their own copies (whereever they are) if they can't find one already installed.
[03:28] <pgquiles> well, that'd be OK for apr, libcppunit, etc
[03:29] <pgquiles> I'd still need to provide packaged versions of ant-contrib and cpptasks, though
[03:29] <pgquiles> which is OK, anyway
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:54] <pygi> hey ho bddebian
[03:55] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[04:00] <geser> Hi bddebian
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:48] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Cool.  I knew about metapackage install recommends, but I didn't know they'd already been changed.  Thanks.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, mvo fixed that bug, as i kept bugging him :)
[04:54] <ScottK> Cool.
[05:57] <norsetto> ScottK: can we have a word about bug 131670?
[05:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131670 in poker-network "Please merge poker-network-1.1.1-1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131670
[06:30] <pygi> bddebian, poke
[06:35] <bddebian> pygi: peek
[06:35] <pygi> bddebian, mind looking at my second patch? :)
[06:35] <bddebian> pygi: For what?
[06:35] <pygi> bddebian, flashplugin-nonfree
[06:36] <pygi> since you uploaded the first :p
[06:37] <bddebian> pygi: Building now :-)
[06:37] <pygi> bddebian, yay, danke =)
[06:53] <pygi> bddebian, thank you ;)
[06:57] <bddebian> pygi: No, THank You! :-)
[06:57] <pygi> bddebian, you are now officially tagged as the person to upload couple of next patches xD
[06:57] <Nafallo> making flash work on amd64? :-)
[07:03] <pygi> Nafallo, that works with swfdec afaik?
[07:03] <pygi> Nafallo, or did I miss something? :)
[07:03] <pygi> Nafallo, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swfdec0.4/0.4.5-2 ^_^
[07:03] <Nafallo> no idea
[07:04] <pygi> well, my package there :)
[07:05] <Nafallo> I'll not even attempt to look at webpages before my ISP has fixed themselves
[07:05] <pygi> xD
[07:05] <pygi> Nafallo, ok, then lemme just say *it works*(tm)
[07:07] <Nafallo> hehe, oki :-)
[07:07] <Nafallo> kewl
[07:21] <justinwray> What is the policy on packages that come with an SVN update mechanism? (Namely to download new modules/plug-ins -- but also updates the application is self as well)
[07:22] <asantoni> poke poke poke
[07:22] <pygi> Nafallo, and starting next week, fullscreen will work on youtube as well if that's important to you :P
[07:23] <asantoni> http://mixxx.sourceforge.net/packages/ ---> Mixxx 1.5.2 package needs reviewing
[07:29] <pygi> Nafallo, although a bit slow, ergh ... damn X & cairo :-/
[07:30] <Nafallo> hehe. running x86 now anyway. wanted tickless.
[07:30] <Nafallo> and tickless is broken on Turion :-P
[07:31] <pygi> Nafallo, still, you should rather run free flash :)
[07:32] <norsetto> Nafallo: just had a look at the Mono is Microsoft technology bug :-)
[07:34] <Nafallo> norsetto: anything new since my answer? :-)
[07:34] <norsetto> Nafallo: yeah, he was still arguing .... some people are amazing
[07:35] <norsetto> Nafallo: like the guy that posted a bug because he could not run Halo on Linux ;-)
[07:35] <Nafallo> :-P
[07:35] <Nafallo> he argued on #ubuntu-bugs yesterday :-P
[07:35] <norsetto> Nafallo: Halo or Mono?
[07:37] <Nafallo> Mono
[07:37] <norsetto> too bad I missed that one
[07:48] <justinwray> norsetto:  What is the policy on packages that come with an SVN update mechanism? (Namely to download new modules/plug-ins -- but also updates the application is self as well)
[07:56] <jldugger> i donno if this is the right place to bring this up, but the Ubuntu packaging guide is sorta broke =/
[07:59] <norsetto> justinwray: what do you mean by policy?
[07:59] <justinwray`away> norsetto: linda/lintian give a large amount of errors due to the SVN files etc.
[08:00] <norsetto> justinwray`away: ok, you can use the -i and -I flags to discard those
[08:01] <justinwray`away> norsetto: Ah, okay.  So it is fine if any application has its own update mechanism, outside of the standard apt-get update? (Like firefox?)
[08:02] <norsetto> justinwray`away: for instance add this to your ~/.devscripts file: DEBUILD_DPKG_BUILDPACKAGE_OPTS="-i -ICVS -I.svn"
[08:03] <norsetto> justinwray`away: sorry, wife is calling for dinner (never let a lady wait :-))
[08:03] <pygi> jldugger, you are free to submit bugs and diffs with fixes
[08:03] <justinwray`away> norsetto: Not a problem, I am head to my girlfriends to pick her up...so, I'll catch up with you later.
[08:03] <justinwray`away> Thanks again
[08:03] <norsetto> justinwray`away: np
[08:05] <jldugger> pygi: the thing is, it's the hello world package ;) i might not be the right person to be fixing it
[08:05] <pygi> jldugger, :D
[08:15] <bddebian> Hmm, I wonder why libodbc++ is currently not built with threads??
[08:26] <asantoni> 1) Mixxx 1.5.2 package still needs review: http://mixxx.sourceforge.net/packages/
[08:26] <asantoni> 2) Did the UVF date get pushed back because of REVU being down?
[10:08] <jeromeg> hello
[10:08] <jeromeg> i'm fixing a typo error in apturl description, the current version is 0.0+bzr20070709, what should the new version be ?
[10:13] <jeromeg> anyone please?
[10:24] <geser> 0.0+bzr20070709ubuntu1
[10:25] <jeromeg> thx
[10:26] <Lutin> geser: even if it's an ubuntu-only package ?
[10:28] <geser> then no
[10:28] <geser> I'd probably use 0.0+bzr20070709.1 in that case
[10:29] <jeromeg> maybe it should be fixed in the bzr branch, as mr_pouit says
[10:29] <geser> yes
[10:30] <jeromeg> ok then I will let it to the maintainers
[10:41] <K0brik> yo brothers! What's that mDNS thing doing?
[10:42] <mr_pouit> mmh, any ETA for a fix for hal in the buildds? I have several packages waiting for a give-back (FTBFS because hal fails to install)
[10:43] <K0brik> *it seems to be talking with the internet for some reason
[10:44] <K0brik> it's calling 224.0.0.251.5353 every now and then
[10:45] <jeromeg> anyone here to test my update of dvgrab ? (camera needed)
[10:46] <jeromeg> package + source : http://vv.guelf.free.fr/ubuntu/
[10:47] <K0brik> can I safely exclude it from the init.d without ruining any built-in service(s)?
[10:48] <man-di_> K0brik: thats a local broadcast address for zeroconf
[10:48] <man-di_> K0brik: but this is not the channel to discuss this
[10:48] <K0brik> man-di_: do I need it?
[10:48] <man-di_> K0brik: I dont know your network
[10:49] <K0brik> man-di_: what would I use it for?
[10:49] <man-di_> K0brik: google for zeroconf for more infos
[10:50] <K0brik> man-di_: I'm not breaking "your" fine system when I'm excluding it?
[10:50] <man-di_> K0brik: ????
[10:51] <K0brik> man-di_: I've just installed ubuntu and noone on #ubuntu can answer what services I'd ever use it for
[10:51] <man-di_> I would go with the rule, if you dont know, disable it
[10:52] <K0brik> man-di_: and I'm quite irritated about strange firefox requests at the same time lol
[10:52] <man-di_> its mainly for zeroconf networks
[10:52] <K0brik> update-init.d or something
[10:53] <K0brik> man-di_: aren't rhythmbox using for shared films and such?
[10:53] <man-di_> K0brik: if you tell it to do so, not by default
[10:56] <K0brik> oh. now I see. I better stick with my own protocol lol
[10:56] <K0brik> thanks for the help!
[10:58] <K0brik> it's the avahi-daemon, right?
[12:11] <bddebian> Heya
[12:12] <pygi> hey bddebian, pm pls?