[07:01] (BFTD/#xubuntu) NikonRaccoon uninstall it then
[07:02] <Jester45> do you use the screensaver
[07:02] <Jester45> thats fine
[07:02] <NikonRaccoon> Nope, not at all Jester.
[07:02] <Jester45> its a meta package
[07:03] <Jester45> also
[07:03] <NikonRaccoon> So saying yes will not break things?
[07:03] <Jester45> remove xscreensaver-data
[07:03] <BFTD> :P
[07:03] <Jester45> no all it does it depend on this so you can install xubuntu from a ubuntu server install
[07:04] <Jester45> so you dont have to apt-get install all the xfce pakages you just install that one and auto install the ones you really want
[07:04] <Jester45> !info xubuntu-desktop
[07:04] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: Xubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.29 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[07:04] <Jester45> only 40kb not much can be that important and that small
[07:05] <Jester45> its one of the first things people worrie about is that
[07:05] <NikonRaccoon> Ok, I'll give that a shot then.
[07:05] <BFTD> NikonRaccoon if anything goes wrong...IT WASN"T MY FAULT!!
[07:06] <Jester45> BFTD, dont scare him like that
[07:06] <NikonRaccoon> I'll just blame Jester there.
[07:06] <Jester45> o sorry your a girl
[07:06] <Jester45> kinda used to guys
[07:07] <Jester45> if something is wrong i will fix
[07:07] <NikonRaccoon> Well, no screen lock when I closed the lid.
[07:08] <Jester45> and BFTD did you ever get a domain or want me to switch your ~ address to it
[07:08] <BFTD> Jester45 you gave me the wrong IP
[07:08] <Pumpernickel> There's a bit of a guide to customizing lid events here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=121720
[07:08] <Pumpernickel> Jester45: apt-get remove --purge
[07:09] <BFTD> NikonRaccoon haha, you're a girl? We don't get many of those here!!
[07:09] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, i allready removed them
[07:09] <Jester45> BFTD, calm down
[07:10] <BFTD> ok, now what?
[07:10] <Jester45> are you sure
[07:10] <BFTD> ?
[07:10] <Jester45> the ip
[07:10] <BFTD> we should move this to offtopic
[07:10] <NikonRaccoon> Are girl geeks that unusual?
[07:10] <BFTD> oh
[07:10] <BFTD> yeah
[07:10] <Jester45> yea pretty much
[07:11] <Jester45> or at least they dont say so
[07:11] <BFTD> it locates to the wrong site
[07:11] <Pumpernickel> Not particularly, but enough that there's an Ubuntu-women group, irc channel, wiki, and so forth.
[07:11] <Jester45> i know a few that use it to get more help
[07:11] <BFTD> NikonRaccoon NO! Just really awesome
[07:11] <Jester45> BFTD, does it go to the normal vidd.us one?
[07:12] <BFTD> Jester45 no it goes to the weasel one
[07:12] <Jester45> Pumpernickel, but thats being for ubuntu its kinda popular what % do you think are girls
[07:12] <NikonRaccoon> Oh, and thank you so much for the advice. I've been googleing for hours, with no luck. Everything I came across was how to install xscreensaver, not remove or disable it.
[07:12] <Jester45> (of the whole community )
[07:13] <BFTD> .2% are girls
[07:13] <Jester45> yea... not to common
[07:13] <BFTD> I counted
[07:14] <BFTD> there is about 40
[07:14] <BFTD> out of about 6000
[07:15] <Jester45> but... how about forum members
[07:15] <BFTD> not sure
[07:15] <Jester45> wanna count those?
[07:15] <BFTD> its hard to tell
[07:15] <BFTD> so NikonRaccoon you see how special you are?!
[07:16] <Jester45> like? wine might help
[07:17] <BFTD> NikonRaccoon yes please tell us
[07:17] <NikonRaccoon> I've tried Wine. What I need is something like Acrobat Pro, to save fillable forms, like Taxes and the like. Also I'm needing a mapping program such as Streets and Trips or Street atlas.
[07:18] <NikonRaccoon> And I still haven't been successful in hotsyncing my palm pilot.
[07:18] <BFTD> Well
[07:18] <BFTD> google earth works fine on linux without any help
[07:18] <BFTD> and Acrobat is installable
[07:18] <BFTD> linux for that is
[07:18] <Jester45> the 2 biggest problems with linux to me are games and compatibility
[07:19] <BFTD> you'll need to do it via (off the record) Automatix though
[07:19] <NikonRaccoon> doesn't like this laptop. It's a p3-650 with only 320mb of ram, and an 8mb ATI Rage card.....
[07:19] <BFTD> hrm
[07:20] <NikonRaccoon> Actually, I had Kubuntu on here, but it was a bit too much. The laptop likes xfce alot better.
[07:20] <Jester45> games because you can play in wine (some) but its slower and they arent generaly made  for linux unless its opensource and the compatibility will hopefully come as more hardware manufacures notice that lots of poeple use linux and would use their hardware more if they simply gave a driver
[07:20] <Pumpernickel> BFTD: Please don't recommend Automatix, ever.
[07:20] <Jester45> BFTD, i agree with Pumpernickel
[07:20] <BFTD> I agree with you to
[07:20] <Jester45> its 2nd to MS
[07:20] <BFTD> but its the only solution
[07:21] <Jester45> for what
[07:21] <Pumpernickel> It's not a solution.
[07:21] <Pumpernickel> It's a problem and a half, by itself.
[07:21] <BFTD> temporary fix
[07:21] <Pumpernickel> It's not even a fix.
[07:21] <BFTD> ok whatever
[07:21] <BFTD> I never used it
[07:21] <NikonRaccoon> Adobe did make a reader for Linux... maybe they'll make pro for it to....
[07:21] <BFTD> ?
[07:22] <Jester45> hehe mixing nano search and xchat isnt good
[07:22] <Pumpernickel> Acroread is available from multiverse.
[07:23] <BFTD> funny
[07:23] <BFTD> I've heard so many good things about it though
[07:23] <NikonRaccoon> Already installed. None of the other pdf viewers and editors seemed to be able to handle fillable forms.
[07:23] <NikonRaccoon> But I can't save.
[07:23] <BFTD> ?
[07:24] <BFTD> 
[07:24] <Jester45> does it say anything
[07:25] <NikonRaccoon> yeah, it gives me a warning message that only pro can save, not the reader
[07:25] <BFTD> oh
[07:25] <BFTD> :/
[07:25] <BFTD> ok
[07:25] <BFTD> going to bed
[07:25] <BFTD> I can't keep my eyes open anymore
[07:26] <BFTD> night all
[07:26] <NikonRaccoon> Goodnight, and thanks
[07:26] <BFTD> no problem
[07:28] <BigMac> any reason the xubuntu install disc is staying on the home screen
[07:28] <BigMac> with loading at the top
[07:28] <BigMac> it has been like 2 minutes
[07:29] <Jester45> BigMac, is the disc spining?
[07:29] <Jester45> NikonRaccoon, you blush alot
[07:29] <BigMac> It sounds so
[07:29] <NikonRaccoon> Sorry. I'm a bit shy.
[07:29] <Jester45> BigMac, try shuting down and running the check cd from the first menu
[07:30] <Jester45> NikonRaccoon, so am i... when im around people
[07:31] <Jester45> i have 3 personalties jester45(online) ryan around people he doesnt know(shy) and around friends im pretty loud
[07:35] <BigMac>  Eh it could just be that this pc doesn't support ubuntu
[07:35] <BigMac> kubuntu isn't running either
[07:35] <Jester45> i dont think so
[07:35] <BigMac> there were no cd defects
[07:36] <Jester45> try running the cd check if its good try doing the advance boot with the optino acpi=off
[07:36] <Jester45> sorry if im a bit rusty on the names i havent used a install cd in abouy a year
[07:38] <BigMac> O, it was working I guess, just took a while
[08:08] <m0u5e> hmm anyone know why #ubuntu is being wierd?
[08:08] <m0u5e> ive done everything its told me to do
[08:08] <m0u5e> but i still can't get back in
[08:10] <m0u5e> im having issues with pyneighborhood, but xsmbrowser works fine
[08:10] <m0u5e> anyone know why? :X
[08:11] <m0u5e> is there a difference between how xsmbrowser mounts samba shares vs. pYNeighborhood?
[08:13] <m0u5e> also, does anyone know shortcuts for xubuntu or how to config them? im finding the shortcuts that used to work in ubuntu no longer work here...
[08:17] <Jester45> what shortcuts
[08:31] <cjae> how do I make update notifier actually work
[08:37] <cjae> I mean in software sources I have checked look for updates every two days and notify me but it never does
[09:29] <m0u5e> cjae: go to synaptick settings, and then check to make sure it notifies you daily of updates
[09:29] <m0u5e> synaptic*
[09:30] <m0u5e> jester45: shotcut keys :D
[09:30] <m0u5e> jester45: like how to lock your session, shortcut for terminal, etc
[09:51] <homebrewcider> can someone help me please, I'm a little bit lost. I want to access the other computer in the house. both computers are plugged in to a switch, which has a smoothwall installaton in between them and the net, I have given both computers a static ip address. now, what do I have to do to access on from the other
[09:52] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: what do you mean by "access"?
[09:53] <homebrewcider> share files across and the like
[09:54] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: you can install an ftp server and use some ftp client to copy files, for example
[09:54] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: or mount a directory from one of them on the other using sshfs
[09:54] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: or, if it's just single files, you can copy them with scp
[09:54] <homebrewcider> mounting the directory would seem like the go
[09:55] <homebrewcider> which would be the easiest?
[09:56] <homebrewcider> for a newbie
[10:01] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: hard to say, you could also go the windows way and set up samba shares...
[10:01] <homebrewcider> ick windows
[10:01] <homebrewcider> I've been hearing nfs
[10:01] <homebrewcider> ?
[10:02] <TheSheep> ah, nfs is a possibility too in a local network
[10:02] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: there is a howto for sshfs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=430312
[10:04] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: forums ans wiki are generally a very good source of howtos
[10:04] <homebrewcider> says requirement is feisty, other pc is dapper
[10:05] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218630
[10:06] <TheSheep> !nfs
[10:06] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[10:06] <homebrewcider> ok, I'm checking that one out
[10:39] <homebrewcider> no, I'm completely lost
[10:43] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: maybe you could check the 'system->shared folders' menu?
[10:45] <homebrewcider> yep, shared already
[10:47] <homebrewcider> one question on that, in the allowed hosts section i put the ip of this comp or the other one?
[10:51] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: the other one
[10:51] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: you put there the computers you want to allow to acces your files
[10:58] <homebrewcider> that's wahat i always thought and what i'd already done
[11:10] <homebrewcider> test
[11:11] <TheSheep> failed
[11:15] <Catoptromancy_> some reason all my video media has failed
[11:15] <Catoptromancy_> wmv, mpg, avi
[11:15] <Catoptromancy_> it opens with any program looks like its working
[11:15] <TheSheep> !wmv
[11:15] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:15] <Catoptromancy_> but window is black
[11:15] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: no codecs?
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> heh  I have all the codec
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> they alll worked before
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> even divx
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> now they dont
[11:16] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: what did you change?
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> i dont know!
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> lol
[11:16] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: you're a sleepwalker?
[11:16] <Catoptromancy_> ?
[11:17] <Catoptromancy_> i kinda feel like it right now
[11:17] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: you hack on your computer while asleep and don't remember anything the next day? ;)
[11:17] <Catoptromancy_> im not sure i did anything really
[11:17] <Catoptromancy_> I think something I apttitudeed might have got in the way
[11:20] <Catoptromancy_> aware of any packages that might cause all the video formats to stop working?
[11:20] <Catoptromancy_> ill sift through synaptic i guess
[11:20] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: are you useing the same video player you used before?
[11:20] <Catoptromancy_> yes
[11:21] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: maybe you installed soem new one and it took over the file types
[11:21] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: which player is that?
[11:21] <Catoptromancy_> ive tried new players
[11:21] <Catoptromancy_> xfmedia was main player
[11:22] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: then you need libxine-extracodecs installed
[11:22] <Catoptromancy_> im sure i already have it
[11:22] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: and probably also w32codecs from seveas's repository
[11:22] <Catoptromancy_> yes
[11:22] <Catoptromancy_> heh
[11:22] <Catoptromancy_> ive had all those before
[11:23] <Catoptromancy_> i guess maybe they got removed
[11:23] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: maybe you installed somehting that conflicted with them, so they were uninstalled in the process?
[11:23] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: it always asks you for confirmation though
[11:23] <Catoptromancy_> ya
[11:24] <Catoptromancy_> im removing all my audio programs
[11:24] <Catoptromancy_> and starting over
[11:24] <Catoptromancy_> only player that plays MP3s is alsaplayer
[11:24] <Catoptromancy_> some reason those got broken too
[11:25] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: check your volume ;)
[11:25] <Catoptromancy_> no lol its not that easy
[11:25] <Catoptromancy_> wmv plays just screen is black, but i can hear whats going on
[11:26] <Catoptromancy_> mpg just shows black screen, but time slider wont move
[11:26] <TheSheep> sounds like missing codecs
[11:26] <Catoptromancy_> ya i know
[11:26] <Catoptromancy_> but i have like every codec
[11:26] <Catoptromancy_> heh
[11:26] <Catoptromancy_> or "had"
[11:32] <Catoptromancy_> hmmmm
[11:32] <Catoptromancy_> ill build xine from source
[11:32] <Catoptromancy_> compiling usually fixes something
[11:34] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: probably bad idea :)
[11:35] <Catoptromancy_> at least compiling gives me error messages so i know what im missing
[11:35] <TheSheep> Catoptromancy_: you can also run the player form terminal, it will print messages
[11:35] <Catoptromancy_> the catalog.cache points to a bunch of .so files
[11:36] <Catoptromancy_> (xfmedia:6158): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_style_detach: assertion `style->attach_count > 0' failed
[11:36] <Catoptromancy_> heh
[11:37] <TheSheep> xfmedia is buggy
[11:37] <TheSheep> use gxine or something
[11:37] <Catoptromancy_> but it worked perfectly before
[11:37] <Catoptromancy_> gxine crashed more than it worked for me
[11:38] <Catoptromancy_> xfmedia has never given me one problem till this happened
[11:38] <Catoptromancy_> and it happened on all players
[11:38] <Catoptromancy_> cept alsaplayer
[11:40] <TheSheep> do you have these packages installed? extracodecs and all?
[11:40] <Catoptromancy_> it worked before
[11:40] <Catoptromancy_> everything
[11:40] <Catoptromancy_> unless i managed to uninstall them
[11:41] <Catoptromancy_> i guess its synaptic time
[11:43] <Catoptromancy_> would gstreamers stop libxine-extracodedcs from working?
[11:44] <Catoptromancy_> after all these problems i tried the gstreamers
[12:05] <Catoptromancy_> woooooo
[12:05] <Catoptromancy_> VLC plays em all again
[12:05] <Catoptromancy_> all my old programs still broken though
[01:37] <whyking> hi
[01:37] <whyking> i see xubuntu does not yet build upon edgy, right?
[01:39] <TheSheep> whyking: eh?
[01:39] <whyking> my question is if its at the same level as the current ubunut, 7.04?
[01:39] <TheSheep> !xubuntu
[01:39] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[01:40] <TheSheep> whyking: it's always the same version as ubuntu
[01:40] <TheSheep> whyking: it just has different set of default applications
[01:40] <whyking> ok.. I'll give it a try!
[01:41] <whyking> I'm tired of gentoo/sabayon and the compile madness
[01:41] <TheSheep> whyking: you will find it refreshing, but uncustomizable :)
[01:42] <whyking> TheSheep, what do you mean with uncustomizable? in what aspect exactly?
[01:42] <whyking> use-flags?
[01:44] <TheSheep> whyking: if you are accustomed to gentoo, you can be annoyed that *ubuntu have the 'preffered' set of applications, and if you venture too far beyound that, you are on your own
[01:45] <whyking> you mean that gentoo has more packages to choose from?
[01:45] <whyking> i mean.. e.g. I don't like abiword but installing openoffice should be easy as 123, right
[01:45] <TheSheep> whyking: no, but you have more control over them and you can mix and match them more easily -- this of course comes at a cost, you have to do part of the maintainers job
[01:46] <TheSheep> whyking: yes, but installing openoffice might pull in some OOo packages that you didn't really want installed, for example
[01:46] <whyking> well.. i don't really care for that too much I guess.. my laptop machine is and oldie, so compiling takes forever
[01:47] <whyking> and I use xfce ever since.. so xubuntu seems like my type of cup
[01:47] <whyking> just have to find a cdr.. ;-)
[01:47] <TheSheep> whyking: also, ubuntu comeso ut once every 6 months, so don't expect bleeding edge versions of applications
[01:48] <TheSheep> whyking: on the other hand, they are tested pretty well
[01:49] <whyking> TheSheep, well.. I mean gentoo is also not really bleeding edge, but there are overlays, is there something similiar? I mean, there must be tons of ubuntu users out there wanting the hot stuff, right?
[01:49] <TheSheep> !repos
[01:49] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[01:49] <TheSheep> whyking: there are several repositories, and you can also use some unofficial repos
[01:50] <whyking> yeah, that sounds nice.. is there e.g. compiz-fusion already available?
[01:50] <TheSheep> whyking: I think it's in the gutsy repos
[01:50] <TheSheep> whyking: gutsy is the next version of ubuntu, going to be released in few months
[01:51] <whyking> hm.. how easy is it then to upgrade?
[01:52] <TheSheep> whyking: there is a gui app for that, one click
[01:52] <whyking> nice
[01:53] <whyking> thats what bugs me with gentoo.. rebuilding world does not only take forever, it also does not work without hacking
[02:01] <TheSheep> whyking: you *may* get some dependency problesm if you installed applications from unofficial repositories
[02:01] <TheSheep> whyking: it all depends on how well the packages are prepared
[02:06] <whyking> oh.. dependency issues.. damn.. i remember those from debian days
[02:06] <whyking> that was pretty bad back then
[02:07] <whyking> are there lots of issues with that?
[02:08] <TheSheep> whyking: not if you keep yourself on the beaten road
[02:08] <whyking> ic
[02:08] <TheSheep> whyking: then again, they are usually possible to resolve by uninstalling the conflicting package and reinstalling it after upgrade
[02:09] <whyking> well.. I'll need some not so standard python packages.. but I normally see that they are supported by ubuntu.. so there must exist something
[02:10] <whyking> and compiling everything opens up other problems again
[02:10] <Gabz> does xubuntu get treated different from the other distros (*buntu) i can't find it on any of the australian mirrors (iso files) ?
[02:12] <whyking> TheSheep, oh, and how well are laptops supported, like suspend2? should actually be better I guess
[02:14] <TheSheep> Gabz: xubuntu is not officially supported by canonical, so there is no shipit and the mirrors are separate
[02:14] <TheSheep> whyking: I think it's all a matter of the kernel
[02:15] <Gabz> TheSheep: i didn't think edubuntu was either.. but that explains it ... i'll just have to send file requests to the big australian mirrors
[02:15] <TheSheep> whyking: so all relatively recent distros would be similar
[02:17] <whyking> ic
[02:20] <whyking> TheSheep, I guess you wouldn't recommend using Tribe3?
[02:22] <whyking> I mean.. if I update xubuntu right after install I should get all the new packages/kernel etc, right?
[02:25] <TheSheep> whyking: gutsy is not ready for production use, but it works pretty well for me
[02:25] <TheSheep> !worksforme
[02:25] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[02:26] <TheSheep> whyking: I'd say that if you want to play and test it, it's ok, but if it's your only computer which you use to work for your living, better stay with feisty :)
[02:26] <whyking> TheSheep, and could I upgrade to that easily after installing 7.04?
[02:27] <TheSheep> whyking: yes
[02:27] <whyking> ok.. feisty it is
[02:27] <whyking> looking forward to it, still backing up
[02:33] <jeromeg> hello
[02:33] <jeromeg> i'm triaging some xubuntu bugs
[02:33] <jeromeg> and i need help to reproduce some bugs
[02:34] <jeromeg> anyone willing to help me ?
[02:34] <TheSheep> !ask
[02:34] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:34] <jeromeg> bug 127372
[02:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127372 in thunar "no thunar contextmenu with GTK setting "gtk-menu-popup-delay = 0"" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127372
[02:35] <jeromeg> bug 115418
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115418 in thunar "Could not unmout CDROM by pressing eject button" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115418
[02:35] <TheSheep> jeromeg: that latter is reported by me and yes, I can confirm it :)
[02:35] <jeromeg> bug 122146 (seems to be quite random)
[02:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122146 in thunar "Thunar freezes upon opening folders" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122146
[02:35] <jeromeg> lol
[02:36] <jeromeg> TheSheep: my cd/dvd player is broken, so I need someone else to confirm
[02:37] <TheSheep> ah, no It wasn't me, I must have reported a duplicate of that
[02:38] <TheSheep> jeromeg: Failed to eject "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_2005121000029901".
[02:38] <TheSheep> jeromeg: Given device "/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/storage_serial_2005121000029901" is not a volume or drive.
[02:39] <TheSheep> jeromeg: gutsy
[02:39] <jeromeg> ok perfect
[02:39] <jeromeg> thank you guy
[02:40] <TheSheep> jeromeg: the context menu seems to appear though :/
[02:40] <jeromeg> ok
[02:41] <TheSheep> both with tree and shortcuts view
[02:43] <jeromeg> TheSheep: do you also have this one in Gutsy : bug 59235
[02:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59235 in thunar "Thunar shows folder sizes wrong" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/59235
[02:43] <jeromeg> ?
[02:43] <TheSheep> the last one, I went o /usr/bin, ~2k items, with tree panel on, it loaded for about 3s but displayed the files ok
[02:44] <jeromeg> ok
[02:44] <TheSheep> jeromeg: yes, but I think that 59235 is a feature, not bug, you can see the summarized size in the properties
[02:45] <jeromeg> TheSheep: maybe but it's quite surprising
[02:46] <TheSheep> jeromeg: counting the recursive size is expensive
[02:46] <jeromeg> TheSheep: I select two folders that weight more than 5mo, and it says 2 folders (8 kb)
[02:46] <TheSheep> jeromeg: maybe it shouldn't show the size for folders
[02:46] <jeromeg> TheSheep: yep, I will report upstream, and they will decide
[03:29] <hyper_ch> !ipv6
[03:29] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[04:11] <whyking> hm? whats the default root pw?
[04:12] <TheSheep> !root | whyking
[04:12] <ubotu> whyking: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[04:13] <whyking> ok what is the sudo password then
[04:14] <TheSheep> whyking: your user password
[04:14] <cjae_> are the wine repositories down?
[04:14] <whyking> ah.. got it
[04:14] <whyking> thx
[04:26] <whyking> I can't seem to find opera, why isn't it in the repository?
[04:28] <TheSheep> whyking: beacuse of its licence
[04:28] <TheSheep> whyking: you candownload a package for ubuntu from opera.com
[04:30] <whyking> ic its also in another repository
[04:31] <whyking> man.. what an epiphany.. installing takes so little time (compared to compiling it)
[04:31] <whyking> obvious statement of course.. but I used gentoo for many many years
[04:33] <TheSheep> whyking: well, ubuntu is designed to be used, not to be played with
[04:37] <Jester45> lol
[05:07] <whyking> i like it!
[05:07] <whyking> all the stuff I needed already done and installed
[05:08] <alnokta> whyking, what is it ?
[05:12] <whyking> alnokta, what I needed? some python stuff and then some.. but I'm very new to xubuntu
[05:12] <TheSheep> alnokta: xubuntu :)
[05:13] <whyking> just installed a couple of hours ago
[05:13] <whyking> and already everything is up and running
[05:14] <hyper_ch> hiho TheSheep
[05:14] <alnokta> whyking, that is what i like in it :)
[05:14] <alnokta> TheSheep, hello! :)
[05:14] <Wolfwalker> When I loaded the Xubuntu live cd (version 7.04) it says it can't access ata1
[05:15] <Wolfwalker> What does that mean?
[05:15] <Wolfwalker> No wait, it says it can't access tty
[05:15] <hyper_ch> whyking: I think the medibuntu repos have Opera also in it
[05:15] <hyper_ch> Wolfwalker: huhu
[05:16] <Wolfwalker> What does that mean?
[05:16] <Wolfwalker> Full report is /bin/sh: can't acces tty: job control turned off
[05:16] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: this message shows when you get dropped to an emergency shell
[05:16] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: seems like it failed to boot for some reason
[05:17] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: check the cd first, there is an option for that in the boot menu
[05:17] <Wolfwalker> Yup
[05:19] <whyking> hyper_ch, i already got it, thx
[05:19] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how comes xfce4-menu-plug uses 60% of my memory?
[05:19] <hyper_ch> whyking: the medibuntu repos offers also some other great stuff ;)
[05:20] <whyking> I'll have a look
[05:20] <whyking> distractions.. sounds like my kind of cup
[05:21] <Wolfwalker> I hit check cd for defects and it dropped out to the emergency shell again
[05:22] <TheSheep> %)
[05:22] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: is it an old computer?
[05:22] <Wolfwalker> Yea, verily
[05:23] <michaelpo> i've search the forum, followed the instruction, but how do i connect my ubuntu to 3G data card?
[05:23] <Wolfwalker> A Dell, made back when they made Dells white
[05:23] <whyking> hm.. will there be any performance issues if I install kdebase?
[05:23] <whyking> or is there a way to install kde-light or sth?
[05:23] <whyking> if that exists.. ;-)
[05:25] <Jester45> there will be the performance hit of using kde
[05:26] <whyking> but only if I start an app that requires it, right?
[05:27] <Jester45> kinda
[05:28] <Jester45> there will be a bit more memory before you start it
[05:28] <Jester45> but once you start it its takes the full hit
[05:28] <whyking> so its best to not install it I guess
[05:28] <Jester45> then if you close it it will free a bit of the memory
[05:29] <Jester45> if you can avoid gnome/kde apps its best
[05:29] <Wolfwalker> So what do I do if it is an old computer?
[05:29] <Jester45> and if you must use one try to use gnome ones over kde as xubuntu has a few gnomes libs allready running
[05:29] <Jester45> like using gnomebaker over k3b
[05:30] <Wolfwalker> k3b doth verily rock
[05:30] <michaelpo> www.linuxmint.com xfce version is good?
[05:30] <Wolfwalker> Never tried gnomebaker though........
[05:30] <Wolfwalker> So TheSheep what do I do if this is an old computer?
[05:31] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: sorry, I'm back
[05:31] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: you can try some of the boot options
[05:31] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: you get a list if you press f1 at the boot screen
[05:34] <Wolfwalker> Nope, no help there
[05:35] <Wolfwalker> Or I'm too ignorant to use it if it is there
[05:35] <BFTD> I wonder how compatible all-in-ones are
[05:37] <TheSheep> BFTD: context?
[05:38] <BFTD> All-in-one printers
[05:38] <BFTD> how do you get the scanner part to work I wonder
[05:38] <TheSheep> BFTD: probably with Sane
[05:38] <BFTD> Sane?!
[05:39] <BFTD> who's sane?
[05:39] <TheSheep> BFTD: note that the name is misleading ;)
[05:39] <Wolfwalker> Oh well
[05:39] <BFTD> hehe
[05:39] <Wolfwalker> Maybe I can run Ubuntu and then load Xubuntu from there
[05:39] <TheSheep> www.sane-project.org
[05:39] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: you meant ubuntu runs?
[05:39] <Wolfwalker> Dunno
[05:40] <Wolfwalker> but it didn't on the other computer I tried it on, and it was the same thing
[05:40] <Wolfwalker> See, right now I'm on a duo core laptop, but I have two old Dells here. First generation Celerons, 256 megs ram and 192 megs ram respectively.
[05:40] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: maybe the image you downloaded is broken or the cd didn't burn cleanly?
[05:41] <TheSheep> !md5 | Wolfwalker
[05:41] <ubotu> Wolfwalker: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[05:41] <michaelpo> how do i access hd installed software from livecd?
[05:41] <TheSheep> michaelpo: your hdd should be visible as a device...
[05:42] <TheSheep> michaelpo: just mount it and you see all the files
[05:42] <michaelpo> i can run the software?
[05:42] <michaelpo> how do i find the icons to start the apps?
[05:43] <michaelpo> lets say i have thunderbird installed... i wish to run the thunderbird from this livecd i'm on now...
[05:44] <michaelpo> i mean lets say i have thunderbird installed on 6.10... i wish to run the thunderbird from this 7.04 livecd i'm on now...
[05:45] <Wolfwalker> Why not just reboot into the installed 6.10 and upgrade?
[05:45] <michaelpo> is it not possible? i'm just testing this livecd....
[05:46] <TheSheep> michaelpo: no, it's not easily possible
[05:46] <TheSheep> michaelpo: that is, it would require some work
[05:46] <michaelpo> ok... thanks...
[05:46] <michaelpo> there is no icon to launch thunderbird too.....
[05:46] <TheSheep> michaelpo: icon is the smallest problem :)
[05:46] <Wolfwalker> Okay, I've decided. This computer is just royally screwed up.
[05:47] <Wolfwalker> It won't even try to load from a regular Ubuntu cd. Says error reading boot CD. Reboot.
[05:47] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: sounds like you want to replace the cd drive :)
[05:48] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: or burn the livecd at a really slow speed
[05:48] <Wolfwalker> No, feather ran fine
[05:48] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: the old cd drives are less sensitive and won't read poor quoality cdrs and thoise burned with high speeds
[05:48] <Wolfwalker> And this Ubuntu 7.04 cd installed onto this laptop I'm on fine.
[05:49] <Wolfwalker> You calling my cds poor quality? :P
[05:49] <Wolfwalker> Just kidding. I never knew that.
[05:49] <Wolfwalker> So is that why some audio cds won't play on those cheap Wal-Mart players?
[05:50] <Wolfwalker> And if I burned them real slow they would play better?
[05:51] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: I think it's possible, but some cd audio players can't read cdrs at all
[05:51] <Wolfwalker> No, the player I'm talking about will read a burnt off cd one day, then won't read it the next day
[05:52] <Wolfwalker> And I've had it happen with a lot of cheap Durabrand players
[05:52] <Wolfwalker> Some cds they will read, some they won't, some they will one day and won't the next
[05:52] <whyking> no pidgin?
[05:52] <TheSheep> whyking: feisty comes with older version that was still called gaim at the time
[05:52] <Wolfwalker> So what speed would be the fastest I could burn it at when burning it for an old cdrom?
[05:52] <Wolfwalker> 4X?
[05:53] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: no idea, I guess it depends on the quality of your cdr, of the burner and of the reader, not to mention the weather and dirt on the lens :)
[05:53] <whyking> TheSheep, ic
[05:54] <whyking> and is there a way to choose between different layouts/styles for xubuntu?
[05:54] <whyking> or is there only one
[05:54] <TheSheep> whyking: if you burn slower, the laser beam touches the cdr longer
[05:54] <TheSheep> whyking: http://xfce-look.org
[05:55] <Wolfwalker> Well whataya know.......
[05:55] <whyking> TheSheep, what do you mean with that?
[05:55] <Wolfwalker> An old 6.10 Kubuntu loaded
[05:55] <TheSheep> whyking: sorry, confused nicks :)
[05:56] <TheSheep> whyking: that's a site with themes for xfce
[05:56] <whyking> thx
[05:56] <whyking> man.. I really like this distro.. thinking about installing it on my other machines as well
[05:57] <Wolfwalker> Next question: With an old, old computer that the bios won't boot from a USB source, how do you make it boot from a usb cdrom anyway?
[05:58] <vidd> you dont
[05:58] <vidd> you boot from floppy, enable the cdrom and install that way
[05:58] <Wolfwalker> How's that again?
[05:59] <Wolfwalker> Do they still make floppy discs?
[05:59] <vidd> if the comp wont boot from usb, you make it boot from floppy....
[06:00] <Wolfwalker> What's on the floppy?
[06:01] <vidd> the basics....enough to load the needed stuff to run your usb cdrom and then a call to run the installer
[06:01] <Wolfwalker> Okay, where do you get this?
[06:01] <vidd> there are also howto's on doing hdd installs
[06:02] <vidd> gimme a sec
[06:04] <vidd> can you do a netboot>/
[06:04] <vidd> ?
[06:04] <Wolfwalker> Ain't a network in the house
[06:04] <Wolfwalker> How do you do that?
[06:05] <vidd> download rawrite2.exe and sbm.bin off the internet (do a search) Once you have these files, put them both in the same folder. Get a blank floppy, put it in the floppy drive, and then run rawrite2.exe. Take the floppy that this program creates, put it in the computer you are installing the OS on, and turn it on. Make sure your bios is booting to floppy. A menu will come up, select CD-rom, hit enter, and walla, you will boot your CD.
[06:05] <vidd> this should get the cdrom to work
[06:21] <Wolfwalker> Neato
[06:21] <Wolfwalker> Thanks
[06:24] <vidd> Wolfwalker, did it work for you?
[06:24] <Wolfwalker> Not yet, I have to go get a blank floppy
[06:24] <Wolfwalker> Where can you buy one of those?
[06:25] <vidd> um...just about anywhere
[06:25] <Wolfwalker> Wal-Mart?
[06:29] <vidd> yeah...radio shack...best buy....wherever computer supplies are sold
[06:29] <Wolfwalker> I am beginning to believe the latest Ubuntu has dropped some of the older drivers
[06:29] <Wolfwalker> Kubuntu 6.10 worked, Ubuntu 7.04 and Xubuntu 7.04 don't.
[06:30] <Wolfwalker> Here's what 7.04 gives me when I try to run it.
[06:31] <vidd> then grab you a dapper installer
[06:31] <Wolfwalker> bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[06:32] <Wolfwalker> (initramfs) [ 119.001206]  ata1: port failed to respond (30 secs, status 0x00)
[06:33] <Wolfwalker> What does that mean?
[06:33] <vidd> no idea
[06:33] <vidd> what are you trying to do?
[06:34] <Wolfwalker> Trying to run the live cd
[06:35] <vidd> oh....on the boot screen, hit esc... then type live acpi=off
[06:35] <vidd> tell me if it loads
[06:36] <Wolfwalker> It'll be awhile. The bios is old and slow too.
[06:39] <Wolfwalker> Same result.
[06:41] <vidd> then you most likely either have a hardware issue, or your equiptment is just too old for feisty....
[06:41] <vidd> you said dapper worked for you?
[06:42] <Wolfwalker> Yup
[06:42] <Wolfwalker> Direct downloading Xubuntu 6.06 LTS now
[06:43] <vidd> you doing the live or the alt?
[06:43] <vidd> my experience shows that the alt is a better installer
[06:44] <vidd> especially for older machines
[06:45] <Wolfwalker> Live
[06:46] <Wolfwalker> I'd try the alt if I knew it would work.
[06:46] <Wolfwalker> But I don't have a Windows 2000 rescue cd for this computer, and I don't want to lose what I've got unless I know SOME kind of Ubuntu will run.
[06:47] <Pumpernickel> bug 78380
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78380 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Fiesty Live CD crashes during Boot " [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78380
[06:48] <Pumpernickel> The alternate should work - it's been reported to work in cases where the LiveCD failed in this manner.
[07:03] <whyking> I always used kasablanca for ftp stuff.. is there something equally good but non-kde?
[07:04] <TheSheep> whyking: I guess there are only gftp and that plugin for firefox...
[07:05] <whyking> and what does the ubuntu symbol mean next to the package name in synaptic?
[07:06] <TheSheep> whyking: that the package is offcially supported by canonical
[07:06] <vidd> that it is an "official" ubuntu package
[07:07] <whyking> ic
[07:07] <whyking> canonical?
[07:07] <TheSheep> whyking: the company behind Ubuntu
[07:07] <vidd> the company that makes ubuntu
[07:07] <whyking> ok.. thanks for the infos
[07:07] <vidd> TheSheep, you need to type slower!
[07:07] <vidd> =] 
[07:07] <whyking> heh
[07:07] <TheSheep> vidd: s o r r y
[07:09] <whyking> gftp is nice
[07:10] <TheSheep> it's too freaking complicated, it attacks you with a gazillion of widgets ;)
[07:10] <vidd> ???
[07:10] <vidd> TheSheep, what are you TALKING about???
[07:11] <TheSheep> vidd: compre it with thunar :)
[07:11] <vidd> gftp is straight forward and intuitive
[07:11] <TheSheep> vidd: count the controls visible on thr screen
[07:11] <Jester45> yea... i would rather have ftp thunar but it never seems to work right
[07:11] <vidd> thunar is like half an ftp program....it only shows the local machine
[07:12] <Jester45> no
[07:12] <Jester45> fuseftp
[07:12] <Jester45> you can mount ftp sites on a folder
[07:12] <Jester45> so you can have a folder on your desktop
[07:12] <vidd> in gftp there are 2 controls
[07:12] <TheSheep> vidd: how about an ftp client that would look like thunar but show the remote files, and allow you to drag them from/to thunar? :)
[07:12] <vidd> move files left, move files right
[07:13] <whyking> man.. my laptop is lightning fast now
[07:13] <whyking> eventhough this machine is pretty dated
[07:13] <Jester45> and inside of that can be a folder for each site you go to alot
[07:13] <whyking> whoever forked this: nice work!!
[07:13] <TheSheep> Jester45: that's for the bookmarks panel :)
[07:14] <Jester45> ??
[07:14] <TheSheep> Jester45: the panel on the left in thunar
[07:14] <Jester45> im faster just clicking though the folders
[07:14] <vidd> if you ask me...thunar is a little LESS intuitive then gftp!
[07:14] <TheSheep> Jester45: well, but you could select servers from it...
[07:15] <TheSheep> vidd: habituation
[07:15] <TheSheep> vidd: "intuitive" is meaningless in computer interfaces
[07:15] <TheSheep> vidd: they are all unnatural and non-intuitive
[07:16] <vidd> gftp is layed out the way an ftp client SHOULD be layed out....thunar is NOT layed out the way a file manager should be layed out
[07:16] <Jester45> to you
[07:16] <whyking> ok, but what if I need a newer package version than in the repository?
[07:17] <Jester45> then you get it from the people to make the program or compile it if they dont have debs
[07:17] <TheSheep> whyking: that's the catch, you either find a repository that has it or make your own package
[07:17] <Jester45> most packges are pretty uptoday
[07:18] <Jester45> date
[07:18] <whyking> ipython is super dated
[07:18] <TheSheep> @now Warsaw
[07:18] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Warsaw: August 11 2007, 19:18:28 - Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers
[07:18] <whyking> TheSheep, how would I best find such a repository except google for repository and ipython?
[07:19] <whyking> hm.. its in gutsy
[07:19] <whyking> so could I only install this one package from gutsy without immediately going to hell?
[07:21] <TheSheep> whyking: if it doesn't depend on all the new packages in gutsy...
[07:22] <Jester45> wb
[07:23] <whyking> TheSheep, so how would I tell it to use that version?
[07:24] <whyking> add that repository?
[07:24] <Jester45> no
[07:24] <Jester45> you would get all the gusty stuff
[07:24] <TheSheep> whyking: you can try either downloading the package and all its dependencies from packages.ubuntu.com and installing it manually, or just adding a gutsy repository
[07:24] <Jester45> go to packages.ubuntu.com
[07:25] <TheSheep> whyking: if you add the repository, update, then install that single package, then remove the repository and then update again, it's ok (you'd get all the gutsy things if you use 'upgrade)
[07:25] <whyking> ic
[07:26] <whyking> how unstable is it btw?
[07:26] <whyking> "works for you" ?
[07:28] <Pumpernickel> "Has a credible chance of working for someone".
[07:30] <whyking> hm.. weird.. i added the repositiry but still the old version after update
[07:30] <TheSheep> whyking: how did you add it?
[07:30] <whyking> oh.. universe?
[07:32] <whyking> got it
[07:32] <whyking> added multiverse
[07:48] <vidd> @now UTC
[07:48] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 11 2007, 17:48:49 - Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers
[08:07] <whiter> whats a program i can use with xubuntu to burn cds
[08:08] <TheSheep> whyking: graveman, xfburn, gnomebaker, brasero, k3b
[08:08] <TheSheep> in order of required additional libraries
[08:10] <Jester45> wow
[08:11] <Jester45> TheSheep, do you remember all dependices
[08:11] <Ben_Cs> hello
[08:11] <vidd> whiter, DONT use xfburn if you are making ISO's...it dont work
[08:12] <Ben_Cs> use k3b :)
[08:12] <whiter> ha
[08:12] <whiter> okay
[08:14] <Jester45> no
[08:14] <Jester45> dont use k3d unless you want a slow xfce
[08:17] <hyper_ch> hiho
[08:19] <hyper_ch> !lts
[08:19] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[08:21] <Ben_Cs> jester: it aint slow. unless you've got a slow pc
[08:22] <Jester45> i dont
[08:22] <Jester45> and it is
[08:22] <Jester45> maybe not by much but it usees a lot more ram and moe cpu
[08:23] <Ben_Cs> jester: i use many KDE apps in xfce. like ktorrent and k3b, cause they're very comfortablr to use.
[08:23] <Jester45> ok
[08:23] <Ben_Cs> i got 2G of ram , so it aint a problem :)
[08:23] <Jester45> well i got 4 and its slower
[08:24] <Ben_Cs> not very notisble to me
[08:24] <Jester45> well im a power user
[08:25] <Ben_Cs> yeh. if u use lots of progs at the same time, it makes a difference, i guess
[08:25] <Jester45> well i dont dedicate a machine to burning a dvd
[08:26] <Ben_Cs> still for some reason Gnome runs faster on my comp (maybe because it's ubuntu with xfce and not xubuntu, which could be more dedicated to xfce)
[08:27] <Ben_Cs> i read in forum that other people have the same thing but no silutions were suggested
[08:27] <Ben_Cs> *solutions
[08:27] <Ben_Cs> jester: go an idea?
[08:27] <Ben_Cs> *got
[08:27] <Jester45> remove gnome
[08:28] <Ben_Cs> think it'll make a difference in performance of xfce?
[08:29] <Jester45> shoudl
[08:29] <Jester45> or remove gnome services from startup
[08:30] <Ben_Cs> ok. at this time i'm still afraid to do that. but when i'll be confident in xfce, i will. i'm using xfce for only 3 days
[08:38] <whiter> whats the command line for mplayer to play cds?
[08:38] <TheSheep> mplayer cd://1
[08:39] <whiter> Failed to open cd://1.
[08:39] <whiter> is what it tells me
[08:39] <TheSheep> hmm :/
[08:40] <TheSheep> whyking: maybe it can't play audio cds?
[08:40] <TheSheep> whyking: the yare usually played by the hardware anyways
[08:41] <whiter> well whats a good gui to play audio cds
[08:41] <TheSheep> whyking: I use bmp
[08:41] <TheSheep> whyking: but I'm a little oldskool
[08:42] <highvoltage> just a little?
[08:43] <TheSheep> highvoltage: well, yes, I write in C but I also write in Python, for example :P
[08:43] <highvoltage> ah ok! :)
[08:44] <highvoltage> so the new school balances out the old school!
[08:44] <whiter> anyone? whats a good audio cd player
[08:44] <whiter> for xubuntu/ubuntu
[08:45] <highvoltage> banshee.
[08:45] <TheSheep> c#, hehe
[08:45] <highvoltage> ah yes
[08:45] <highvoltage> beep-media-player can play audio cd's, can't it?
[08:45] <TheSheep> highvoltage: yes, that's why I recommended it
[08:45] <TheSheep> highvoltage: or audacious
[08:53] <Wolfwalker> Right. I have determined that all versions of Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu, whatever that are based on 7.04 do not work.
[08:53] <Wolfwalker> But versions based on 6.06 work
[08:53] <Wolfwalker> The computer is an old Dell desktop, made back when Dells were white.
[08:55] <TheSheep> Wolfwalker: maybe look for dells on the forum?
[09:02] <whiter> whats a good p2p program
[09:02] <whyking> what kind of p2p?
[09:02] <whyking> bittorrent?
[09:02] <whiter> like
[09:02] <whiter> napster like
[09:03] <whyking> try bittorrent
[09:03] <whyking> good client is azureus
[09:03] <TheSheep> or amule
[09:03] <whyking> but you need a tracker
[09:03] <whiter> well i cant find individual mp3's with that
[09:03] <whiter> i use bittorrent
[09:03] <whyking> like btjunkie.org
[09:03] <whyking> actually thats a search engine for trackers
[09:04] <whiter> im looking for individual mp3's
[09:04] <whiter> i use torrents for movies and tv shows and full albums
[09:04] <TheSheep> whyking: try amule, it's a client for edonkey
[09:04] <whiter> okey dokey
[09:04] <Jester45> try deluge for torrents
[09:04] <TheSheep> uh, sorry, wrong nick again
[09:04] <whiter> lol
[09:04] <whiter> its cool
[09:05] <Jester45> or gtk-gnutella for single songs
[09:05] <Jester45> it uses the gnutella network (same as limewires)
[09:06] <Jester45> deluge isnt in repo
[09:07] <whiter> for some reason i cant download from gnutella
[09:07] <whiter> idunno why
[09:07] <whiter> they never connect
[09:07] <whiter> used to
[09:07] <whiter> but not anymore
[09:21] <whyking> since you have that new router? ;-)
[09:24] <mehulved> can xubuntu feisty use edubuntu feisty live cd as a repository?
[09:27] <vidd> yeah
[09:28] <vidd> no internet on that pc?
[09:31] <mehulved> vidd, yeah. no internet there. and just 128mb of RAM
[09:32] <vidd> load your machine and put the cd in the drive
[09:32] <vidd> not sure how you add a cd in the repo's though
[09:34] <mehulved> vidd, i don't have edubuntu CD, but I would get it from friend if I am sure it works
[09:34] <mehulved> vidd, adding isn't a problem.
[09:35] <vidd> you get it added, it will work....
[09:35] <vidd> they are the same repo's as all the other *buntus
[09:36] <mehulved> vidd, thing is I am not sure if live cd can be used as a repository, alternate cd sure works
[09:36] <vidd> as far as i know it works....
[09:36] <vidd> never tried it myself....
[09:37] <mehulved> vidd, all right. I will wait around, if someone knows
[09:37] <mehulved> i don't want to travel 40kms to get something that won't work
[09:37] <hyper_ch> !wish
[09:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:38] <vidd> mehulved, tell me how to add it and ill tell you if it works
[09:39] <mehulved> vidd, there's a command apt-cd or some such.
[09:39] <hyper_ch> vidd: aren't the files on the live-cd alread precompiled and on the alternate it's .debs?
[09:40] <mehulved> vidd, apt-cdrom
[09:40] <mehulved> vidd, apt-cdrom add
[09:41] <vidd> works like a champ
[09:42] <vidd> im checking synaptic to make sure the cd is listed
[09:42] <mehulved> vidd, just cat sources.list
[09:42] <mehulved> much faster
[09:42] <hyper_ch> my share rate on xubuntu desktop and xubuntu alternate feisty on torrent is now 26 :)
[09:43] <vidd> mehulved, yep...all is good
[09:43] <vidd> if you use synaptic, there is even a "add cd" button....works with the live cd
[09:43] <mehulved> vidd, all right. thanks
[09:43] <mehulved> vidd, nah. CLI works for me
[09:44] <vidd> me too....
[10:08] <student_modnar> has anyone here tried Tribe 4 yet?  I can't get it to boot without holding a key down
[11:39] <coral> a
[11:46] <Natureshadow> hello
[11:46] <Natureshadow> Does someone have experience with Apache and SSL?
[11:48] <TheSheep> !ask
[11:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:49] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: I guess the most common gotcha is that you can't do the hostname-based vhosts with ssl
[11:49] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: you need separate port or ip for every vhost
[11:51] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: This is exactly the problem. I have a virtual host <VirtualHost *> with SSLEngine on, and Apache doesn't do the handshake
[11:52] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: There is no way of doing SSL with name based vhosts?
[11:53] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: no, ssl is ip-bound
[11:57] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: I have hudnreds of documents around that state that it IS possible, but none of them tell HOW
[11:58] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: you can have name-based vhosts with http and a single host with https at the same time
[11:59] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: The problem is that Apache can't find teh correct VHost on a secured connection, right?
[11:59] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: no, it just won't do name-based vhosts with ssl.
[12:00] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: Because it can't read the Host-header to assign a vhost
[12:01] <TheSheep> Natureshadow: it's more a question of limits imposed on https on purpose, I think
[12:01] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: Well, I must admit that it DOES work. To be precise, I got it solvesd right now
[12:02] <Natureshadow> TheSheep: When the default vhost supports SSL, then Apache will use that to establish the SSL session and then switch to the correct vhost
[12:05] <Natureshadow> cya