[01:31] <nosrednaekim> HEY! Gutsy fixed my wireless! YAY!
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> Thank you!
[10:40] <HighNo> hi there, anybody interested in a short software test? Needed things: fun, 20 minutes, bluetooth device and mobile phone (just for bluetooth communication)
[11:07] <robotgeek> HighNo: okay, shoot
[11:12] <HighNo> robotgeek: private?
[11:12] <robotgeek> HighNo: sure
[02:26] <fabo> Riddell: for strigi 0.5.5 in feisty, what do i need to do ? request backport ?
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: kdeaddons, kde-guidance, kdeedu, kdepim, kaffeine is compiled ok now.
[03:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no changes so far.
[03:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: working on katapult, koffice now.
[03:31] <_StefanS_> anyone know how to build two source packages that depend on eachother?
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: very carefully ;)
[03:33] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: well.. care to elaborate more info ?
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: actually, i'm clueless, sorry. What I would do would be to install a binary version of one, compile the other and then compile the one you used as a binary.
[03:36] <_StefanS_> uhm yep.. I guess that would be the way to go
[03:43] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: actually a manual perl makefile.pl and make ; make install , and then debuild afterwards for same packages works ;)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> good :)
[03:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: which two are they?
[03:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: libxml-parser-perl_2.34-4.3 and libxml-encoding-perl_1.01-9
[03:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: seems a bit broken..
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: isn't having two packages depend on each other rather a bad practice?
[03:47] <_StefanS_> kinda ;)
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: sounds a bit like dependency hell to me
[03:47] <_StefanS_> like a deadlock.
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: yeah
[03:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: donno how to fix it though, other than merging them some way
[03:47] <_StefanS_> mhb: seems like they came directly from debian repos
[03:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: I would understand it for some core libraries like gcc or glibc, but is it necessary here?
[03:47] <_StefanS_> nawp..
[03:48] <_StefanS_> shouldn't be
[03:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: strange, on my Gutsy box the l-p-p doesn't depend (directly) on l-e-p
[03:50] <_StefanS_> very weird then
[03:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/654482
[03:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: sorry for the Czech locale but I think you'll understand
[03:58] <_StefanS_> 'hmm..
[04:07] <jeroenvrp> Bug #132000
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132000 in kdebase "Clicking on OpenGL in KInfoCenter freezes up the system in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132000
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> jeroenvrp: I'll test that on my system...
[05:15] <_StefanS_> nosrednaekim: kinfocenter doesn't freeze here. Using fglrx
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> _StefanS_: yeah I haven't tested yet, I'm doing something that I don't want to risk crashing :)
[05:17] <jdong> 132000 sounds highly dependent on the video card
[05:18] <jdong> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3 UniChrome]  Integrated Video (rev 01)
[05:18] <jdong> you'll need a Via S3 to reproduce it :)
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> VIA...is that the person's who crashed?
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> jdong: I have one!
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> jdong: but I don't have a gutsy 32 bit CD
[05:19] <jdong> cool
[05:19] <jdong> but darn :)
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> i'll see if I can get one though
[05:19] <jdong> I've got like ATI's and ATI's around me....
[05:19] <jdong> it's kinda depressing
[05:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah, thats what I have now...
[06:25] <ryanakca> nixternal: Metabot is running it #ubuntu-meta again
[06:59] <nosrednaekim> hello, I have a question regarding the automatic installer for mp3 codecs in amarok
[07:05] <nosrednaekim> why does it have to DL the package lists first?
[07:06] <nosrednaekim> I'm on dial up, and that operation takes like 20 minutes
[07:07] <trekdanne> to make sure your package list is up to date?
[07:07] <Dannioni> (wild guess) Maybe you could download and install the package manually, thus skipping package list stuff?
[07:07] <nosrednaekim> Dannioni: oh yeah thats what I did...
[07:08] <Dannioni> oh...
[07:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: well, to make sure the package name hasn't changed
[07:08] <nosrednaekim> Dannioni: and yes,I had just updated my package lists, hence my annoyance.
[07:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: rather the version id, and the location of it
[07:08] <nosrednaekim> oh.... ok
[07:08] <mhb> nosrednaekim: adept should do the same thing on startup, doesn't it?
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> fetch package lists? no I turned that off.
[07:09] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I could be wrong, though.
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> It ussually fetches the package lists every day, but thats really annoying.
[07:09] <nosrednaekim> mhb: going off to try your restricted-manager... :)
[07:11] <nosrednaekim> Oh well its no big deal :) most people don't have dial up anyway, but maybe you could put in the tool tip that "if this is taking too long, just run "apt-get install libxine-extracodecs""
[07:13] <nosrednaekim> gotta restart.... BBIAB
[07:19] <nosrednaekim> mhb: your restricted drivers manager isworking nicely :)
[07:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: good to know
[07:20] <nosrednaekim> I read somewhere that they were doing compiz-by-default in ubuntu. Is that true?
[07:22] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I don't think so, no.
[07:22] <mhb> nosrednaekim: but I may be wrong.
[07:23] <nosrednaekim> I had thought it was ditched as well, but I was just checking.
[07:23] <nosrednaekim> I think its good because ATI cards juat aren't there yet..
[07:28] <ijuz_> in gnome you get compiz somehow as default when you are using a intel gfx driver
[07:30] <nosrednaekim> ijuz_: with gutsy?
[07:31] <ijuz_> yes
[07:31] <ijuz_> with KDE... i haven't gotten compiz started at all :)
[07:32] <nosrednaekim> ijuz_: hmm yeah I was wondering because I have compiz installed on my system, but I don't remember DLing it.
[07:32] <ijuz_> it's on the ubuntu gutsy cd
[07:34] <nosrednaekim> interesting... maybe that article wasn't wrong.
[07:38] <ijuz_> funky, when i suspend the screen is full of  signs and blinking... and after resume sound doesn't work (2.6.23-rc2)
[07:51] <nixternal> kool...I thought that java didn't work with amd64, or rather didn't have an amd64 package
[07:59] <mhb> I don't suppose that there is anyone skilled in QGraphicsScene magic ?
[08:43] <jeroenvrp> can I after upgrading to Gutsy easilly downgrade to Feisty?
[08:44] <Tm_T> no
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> there a to much problems with X and such, so it is not production ready for me
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> Tm_T: why
[08:44] <nosrednaekim> jeroenvrp: No, I doubt it
[08:44] <jeroenvrp> is not just replacing feisty in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <Tm_T> it's not
[08:45] <Tm_T> it's dealing all dependencies and breakages by yourself most likely
[08:45] <jeroenvrp> grrr
[08:45] <Tm_T> and you end up with, err, broken system quite sure
[08:46] <jeroenvrp> oh well, I can reinstall the root partition off course
[08:51] <Riddell> fabo: test that it and the current kde4libs version compile and tell me, I can do the backport
[10:00] <nixternal> Riddell: I have reworked the about-kubuntu documentation..I am currently "making" it and will put it on my server for you to review and give info
[10:08] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/C/
[10:18] <Riddell> nixternal: it should be all on one page
[10:19] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:19] <nixternal> that is easy enough to fix
[10:19] <nixternal> that will be one long doco
[10:22] <nixternal> I take that bac
[10:22] <nixternal> k
[10:22] <nixternal> it is smooth as 1 page :)
[10:22] <nixternal> Riddell: anything you can think of adding, changing, removing, just say it...gonna go prepare for a bbq but I will be checking back
[10:22] <nixternal> I want to get an updated docs package done today so that translations can start
[10:31] <mhb> nixternal: KDE 3.5.7
[10:49] <nixternal> mhb: ya, that is already fixed..I didn't build the docs against the entity files yet
[10:59] <mhb> nixternal: IMVHO, there is too much "you can install a different kind of app for this and that" options
[11:00] <nixternal> in the equivalent section?
[11:01] <mhb> nixternal: yup ... There are various other applications as well for communication use.
[11:01] <nixternal> ya, there are some that could probably be cleaned out...but I added them for the time being as filler...I am going to go through and clean that up
[11:02] <mhb> nixternal: I would also write Mac OS X as Mac OS X, not Mac OSX
[11:02] <Riddell> nixternal: I've never liked the "The Difference" section
[11:02] <nixternal> OK
[11:02] <Riddell> that first sentence in it is a load of nonsense
[11:03] <Riddell> the last paragraph is too
[11:03] <nixternal> I will just remove that section
[11:04] <nixternal> the middle section is already spread out through the rest of the doco anyways
[11:04] <nixternal> ya, there are some things I want to change in there yet as well
[11:08] <ijuz_> mhb: i have another data point regarding the suspend issue
[11:09] <mhb> ijuz_: add it to the bug then ... I tried to reproduce it on my laptop but I failed
[11:10] <ijuz_> mhb: i complained yesterday that suspend doesn't work reliable with my old D810 laptop (with feisty) and now i tried also /etc/acpi/sleep.sh directly and i already was able to suspend/resume it 13 times in a row
[11:10] <ijuz_> (with >=2.6.20 there was this problem, with older ones it works)
[11:16] <ijuz_> with the button and kde...  2 times it worked, the r3rd time some garbage on the screen and the 4th try it fails...  so KDE is too blame, excellent, that increases the chance of a solution
[11:27] <mhb> ijuz_: could you please add your findings to the bug if you didn't do it yet? thanks.
[11:28] <ijuz_> i'm just doing this and posting to lkml, i complained about a kernel bug there ;)
[11:46] <nixternal> Riddell: anything else you would like to see in the about-kubuntu doco?
[11:46] <nixternal> I have changed it around a little, and remove that difference section
[11:46] <nixternal> fixed up 2 sections making them "what is linux?" and "what is kde?", since the wonderful world of linux was annoying