[12:28] <mattik> full session
[12:30] <pvandewyngaerde> what kde version do you see ?
[12:35] <pvandewyngaerde> in a kde app > help > about kde
[12:37] <mattik> Thank you :) Problem was that I haven't installed kubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> so ? what do you think of kde 4 bata
[12:39] <pvandewyngaerde> i suggest you try marble
[12:40] <pvandewyngaerde> and also  test window behavior
[12:41] <mattik> I like it. I only hope some use instruction video
[12:42] <pvandewyngaerde> currently its not really usable
[12:43] <mattik> But I really like this KDE and this works good in Kubuntu
[12:44] <mattik> and I really like graphic and games
[12:45] <mattik> You can forgot Vista :)
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> svg games
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> and oxygen
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> strigi  + nepomuk
[12:47] <pvandewyngaerde> solid phonon decibel ....
[12:48] <mattik> :) I have to try
[12:51] <pvandewyngaerde> in a kde app > window behavior > enable desktop effects
[12:55] <mattik> how do I get behavior -menu
[12:56] <pvandewyngaerde> ?
[12:56] <pvandewyngaerde> ah, the kde menu on the application icon
[01:01] <mattik> do I need xgl
[01:01] <pvandewyngaerde> if you start nepomukdeamon and dolphin, and then view info pane you can rate files, tag them and write comments
[01:01] <pvandewyngaerde> mattik: just try
[01:12] <pvandewyngaerde> mattik:  and ?
[01:18] <mattik> I'm very slow, but I study. Thank you developers :)
[01:19] <mattik> I write in dark room
[01:19] <mattik> no soft walls ;)
[01:21] <SEpda> whats the kernel in gutsy alpha 4
[01:21] <SEpda> anyone know
[01:21] <SEpda> is it .23 ?
[01:21] <pvandewyngaerde> i run Linux pvandewyngaerde-desktop 2.6.22-9-generic #1 SMP Fri Aug 3 00:20:35 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:22] <ompaul> and so it will stay afik due to the search for stability
[01:22] <SEpda> ok i mean this one
[01:22] <SEpda> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[01:22] <SEpda> what is the kernel
[01:23] <ompaul> !kernel
[01:23] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:23] <SEpda> ompaul: version
[01:23] <SEpda> whats the kernel in gutsy alpha 4
[01:23] <ompaul> SEpda, no idea lets have a look at the web site
[01:23] <SEpda> hard to find
[01:23] <SEpda> ok
[01:23] <SEpda> thank anyway
[01:23] <thully> it's 2.6.22...
[01:24] <SEpda> ok
[01:24] <pvandewyngaerde> linux-generic 2.6.22.9.10
[01:24] <pvandewyngaerde> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.manifest
[01:24] <SEpda> thully: ok no 23
[01:25] <thully> nope - I heard it's not going to be in the final release either
[01:25] <SEpda> awe
[01:25] <SEpda> just all the new vm technolagey
[01:25] <ompaul> SEpda, they want something that will not bite them
[01:25] <SEpda> i like
[01:26] <SEpda> by the way whats the fastest vm around i wan to run on a hand held pc
[01:26] <SEpda> old one with crap all ram
[01:27] <SEpda> kqemu is all i've found
[01:27] <pvandewyngaerde> lol, i enabled desktop effets in KDE4 and now i have them in kde3
[01:27] <SEpda> well vmware might be faster
[01:28] <SEpda> but vmware wont run on mips
[01:28] <SEpda> and many handhelds are mips
[01:29] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: on ubuntu?
[01:29] <pvandewyngaerde> kubuntu
[01:29] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: wops yeah
[01:30] <Pumpernickel> Oog... a fully featured VM on a handheld is just asking for pain.
[01:30] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: is it a deb or cvs/svn
[01:30] <SEpda> ?
[01:32] <pvandewyngaerde> deb
[01:32] <pvandewyngaerde> nvm, its a small kde3 setting, use transparancy and shadows
[01:33] <SEpda> pvandewyngaerde: cool is it easy to set up?
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[08:27] <jdt> has anyone else noticed that trackerd seems to constantly run and consume cpu and hdd utilisation?
[08:29] <stdin> it is a file indexer... but I use strigi so I wouldn't know
[08:30] <jdt> stdin: yeah, my major complaint about it is that it seems to need to permanently run, consuming about 40% CPU and incurring constant HDD activity, thus slows my machine quite a bit...
[08:30] <jdt> stdin: Strigi? is it particularly resource hungry?
[08:30] <stdin> I haven't noticed it actually
[08:31] <stdin> it's more KDE than Gnome tho, that's why Kubuntu uses it
[08:31] <Hobbsee> stdin: how well does strigi work?  i've not tried it yet
[08:32] <stdin> Hobbsee: I haven't really uses it, just ran the daemon, it calmed down after a while (I need to read the docs to learn how to use the client)
[08:33] <jdt> stdin: Ahhh, well I have just installed the gnome meta package, was originally running Kubuntu.
[08:34] <jdt> However, OpenOffice just simply doesnt work in Kubuntu for me... So I have gone back to Gnome now.
[08:34] <stdin> jdt: the solution for oo.o seems to be to install openoffice.org-gnome
[08:34] <Hobbsee> stdin: workaround.  not solution
[08:34] <stdin> well, yes
[08:35] <jdt> stdin: to get it to work in KDE?  Sweet...
[08:35] <stdin> not sure why it works, but it just dose
[08:37] <jldugger> jdt: my guess is that trackerd builds an initial database the same way windows and locate does
[08:37] <Hobbsee> wow, this index is taking a while
[08:37] <Hobbsee> it was quicker at UDS
[08:38] <jldugger> jdt: with large systems, that could take a while. but i suppose its easily possible that trackerd is also broke
[08:38] <DanaG> Does it stop when on battery?  If not, I won't use it.
[08:38] <DanaG> And can it do Thunderbird e-mails?
[08:38] <jldugger> ive never been fond of indexing services
[08:38] <jldugger> its a hack
[08:39] <RAOF> jldugger: Instead of database-as-filesystem?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> DanaG: seems that it can do tb emails
[08:39] <jldugger> instead of filesystem as filesystem
[08:40] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I don't think grep catches emails well :)
[08:40] <jldugger> indexing services are kludges that attempt to solve a fundamental filesystem problem
[08:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i meant for files :P
[08:40] <jldugger> obviously trackerd does more than just files
[08:40] <Hobbsee> RAOF: thunderbird has a search in it.  it only does for the individual folder though
[08:41] <RAOF> As does evolution.  I like integrated search, though.
[08:41] <jldugger> deskbar?
[08:41] <RAOF> I love deskbar, yes.
[08:42] <RAOF> Still, not quite integrated search on its own.
[08:42] <jldugger> does the gutsy packaging guide still reference an old version of the ubuntu hellow world package?
[08:43] <Hobbsee> jldugger: no idea, probably
[08:43] <Hobbsee> oh, nasty
[08:43] <jldugger> from edgy :(
[08:43] <Hobbsee> with strigi, it appears that you cant type a string of letters at once - it tries to search, even when you'res till typing, and it wont let you put other letters in while it searches
[08:44] <Hobbsee> jldugger: has it had that many changes?
[08:44] <jldugger> Hobbsee: GNU hello world no longer has a mailer, for one
[08:44] <jldugger> but more importantly, all the urls are wrong
[08:44] <Hobbsee> i remember requesting a sync for it, and getting teased
[08:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[08:44] <jldugger> and some of the files are no longer present
[08:44] <jldugger> ie postinst
[08:45] <RAOF> Hello has a postinst?
[08:45] <jldugger> not anymore
[08:45] <jldugger> they were used for an info file before it seems
[08:45] <jldugger> im not sure what for
[08:46] <jldugger> dephelper seems nice.
[08:47] <RAOF> Debhelper, rather than manually writing postinst et al?  Totally.
[08:47] <jldugger> so far i havent had to worry at all about lsd/ubuntu policy for where files are installed etc, i hope thats not just gnu hello
[08:48] <jldugger> what id like to do is package some games written in D
[08:48] <jldugger> unfortunately, there's no serious D compiler packages yet, so that's a problem
[08:49] <jldugger> step one is to see if the GCC version will do the job, and pray that packaging a compiler is less complicated than packaging a cross compiler
[08:50] <RAOF> Actually, you won't have to bootstrap it I suppose.  That shouldn't be terribly terribly hard then.
[08:50] <jldugger> ive managed to install the binaries they provide
[08:50] <jldugger> actually, i think i made a deb for it via alien
[08:51] <jldugger> but dgcc doesn't seem to publish packages regularly
[08:52] <jldugger> but gunroar is neat. its too bad it raises a huge problem
[08:52] <jldugger> the source code is open BSD style, but the language it's written in doesn't have a good open source compiler it seems =/
[08:53] <RAOF> Throw it in non-free :)
[08:53] <jldugger> i dont think it'll even make it there
[08:54] <jldugger> i recall reading that non-free packages that need non-free binaries to build are not good
[08:55] <RAOF> It's a free package, it just needs non-free tools to build, right?
[08:56] <jldugger> right now the hope is that a newer release of the GNU compiler will have improved enough since i tried last time
[08:56] <jldugger> RAOF: well, i havent done a complete check, but i believe that to be the case
[08:56] <jldugger> there's music and i dont know if they're licensed specifically
[08:57] <RAOF> Then that can go in non-free.  Where all the java packages that didn't build with anything but sun's java went.
[08:57] <jldugger> what exactly is in contrib then?
[08:58] <RAOF> Uuum.  Stuff.  You know, bits.
[08:58] <jldugger> i guess the other problem is im not a DD
[08:58] <jldugger> i think i can find a few though
[09:55] <DanaG> argh. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/131446
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131446 in deskbar-applet "[gutsy] Deskbar results appears in a window" [Low,Won't fix] 
[09:56] <DanaG> Upstrream: unknown.
[10:01] <humbolt> does the server install cd support lvm as well or does only alternate support that?
[10:02] <humbolt> I am having problems with the alternate cd.
[10:02] <humbolt> not detecting my cdrom drive (after initial boot into the installer app)
[10:07] <DHGE> hi - anyone has a successful crypsetup eith luks running?
[10:07] <DHGE> kind of weird here - following my scripts from feisty - gets mountet on dm-1 ???!
[10:10] <humbolt> How do I recompile an ubuntu kernel for a different subarch (crusoe). I want to end up with a kernel package, kernel headers and restricted modules package.
[10:31] <jdt> jluddger: thanks for your thoughts re tracker. My system has about 60Gb of data on it, however its a laptop that I use all the time, so it drives me nuts. Is there any issue with, say, just not having an indexing service? I rarely ever search for files on my system.?
[10:39] <pvandewyngaerde_> disable it ?
[10:40] <KjetilK> I need to try the linux 2.6.22 kernel for support of the RF_KILL switch on my laptop
[10:41] <KjetilK> so, I'm compiling 2.6.22 on an otherwise feisty system
[10:41] <KjetilK> kernel compile went fine
[10:41] <jdt> pvandewyngaerde_: hi, yeah, thats a fair enough idea :)... thanks
[10:41] <KjetilK> but how do I get my new kernel to use the nvidia restricted modules?
[10:43] <ameyer> KjetilK: compile it for your kernel?
[10:43] <KjetilK> ameyer: with make-kpkg?
[10:43] <ameyer> I'm not sure exactly how you'd do it
[10:44] <KjetilK> ok
[10:44] <ameyer> I think it'd involve module-assistant
[10:44] <KjetilK> hmmm, right
[10:44] <ameyer> or something like that
[10:44] <KjetilK> probably
[10:45] <KjetilK> since it doesn't unpack in a modules/ directory, I figured it probably won't be make-kpkg
[10:45] <ameyer> KjetilK: http://amazingrando.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/compiling-and-using-newest-nvidia-drivers-in-ubuntu-its-easier-than-you-think/
[10:45] <KjetilK> which is how I usually do anything kernel related
[10:46] <KjetilK> ooooh, thanks
[10:46] <ameyer> you should remove linux-headers-`uname -r` from the apt line
[10:47] <ameyer> but the kernel build thingy apparently makes the headers anyway
[10:48] <ameyer> KjetilK: you could also try to build linux-restricted-modules if you wanted
[10:48] <ameyer> KjetilK: instructions are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:49] <ameyer> KjetilK: I'd just build nvidia if that's all you need
[10:49] <KjetilK> yeah, thanks
[10:49] <KjetilK> I probably need some wifi drivers too
[10:50] <KjetilK> and eventually, I'll try iwlwifi
[10:52] <RAOF> KjetilK: It works.  Kinda.
[10:53] <humbol1> Is it possible to sync a kernel tree which I have from the linux-source package with git? or will it download all files again?
[10:53] <RAOF> humbol1: It'll download everything again, probably.
[10:54] <RAOF> The kernel source doesn't come with the .git metadata, probably.
[10:54] <KjetilK> RAOF: good :-)
[10:55] <humbol1> RAOF: Is there any way to circumvent the 200MB download or compress it?
[10:55] <RAOF> Nope.
[10:55] <humbol1> too bad
[10:55] <RAOF> Well, you could *try* to get someone to make a tarball of the git tree, .git directory and all.
[10:55] <RAOF> I'm not sure if that'd be much, if any, smaller though.
[10:57] <KjetilK> OMG, the abi and flavours stuff seems rather intricate...
[10:57] <humbol1> RAOF: Well the linux-source package only has 20 MB packed and 300 MB unpacked.
[10:58] <benanzo> have we talked about the flashplugin yet?
[10:58] <benanzo> I still don't have the newest update that's supposed to fix it.
[11:26] <nox-Hand> How would I update to 7.10? :)
[11:26] <Linux_Galore> what would be the command to reinstall the kernel again ?
[11:27] <Linux_Galore> Ive setup a chroot for the broken install but I need to reinstall the updated kernel because it broke
[11:27] <nox-Hand> Linux_Galore: apt-get remove and apt-get intsall it? DON'T trust my advice though =] 
[11:27] <stdin> Linux_Galore: apt-get --reinstall install package is easier
[11:27] <stdin> nox-Hand: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[11:28] <nox-Hand> stdin: Ubuntu
[11:28] <stdin> nox-Hand: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[11:28] <Linux_Galore> so just apt-get --reinstall kernel  wont I need the full kernel details ?
[11:29] <stdin> Linux_Galore: you need to know the package name and do sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-WhateverVersion
[11:30] <nox-Hand> stdin: Can't I upgrade my sources.list and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:30] <stdin> nox-Hand: yes, but the "update-manager -d" way is preferable
[11:32] <nox-Hand> stdin: But where do I get the sources.list so I can do the update manager?
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> whats the latest image package name I have four in my apt cache file
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> linux-image-generic_2.6.22.9.10_i386.deb ?
[11:33] <stdin> nox-Hand: you just add the feisty-proposed repository and update "update-manager"
[11:34] <Linux_Galore> linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb ?
[11:34] <nox-Hand> stdin: Where do I get the feisty-proposed though?
[11:34] <stdin> Linux_Galore: then it'd be "linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic"
[11:34] <nox-Hand> Just change deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted to feisty-proposed?
[11:34] <stdin> nox-Hand: if you don't know that are you sure you should be running a development bersion
[11:34] <nox-Hand> Or
[11:34] <stdin> s/bersion/version
[11:35] <nox-Hand> stdin: Probably not, but I shall undoubtedly be able to nonetheless =D
[11:36] <stdin> nox-Hand: copy the normal line and paste it in under it, then change "feisty" to "feisty-proposed"
[11:36] <nox-Hand> Okay
[11:37] <nox-Hand> stdin: What about feisty-updates? feisty-proposed-updates?
[11:38] <stdin> no
[11:38] <stdin> just that one line
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> : Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> grr
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> its sitting in the apt archive
[11:40] <stdin> Linux_Galore:  "linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic" not "linux-headers-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb"
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> aah
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic_2.6.22-9.25_i386.deb
[11:42] <Linux_Galore> nope
[11:43] <nox-Hand> stdin: had 11 updates in update-mananger -d
[11:43] <stdin> Linux_Galore: listen, it's "linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic" not with the .deb
[11:43] <nox-Hand> No dist.upgrade mentioned
[11:44] <stdin> that's what the instructions say, you can just run "sed -i 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list" if you want
[11:46] <Linux_Galore> stdin: thanks, now to reboot, been years since Ive done this
[11:57] <humbol1> Concerning kernel recompilation: In debian/config/i386 there are sever config files for subarchs. How can I best create a config file for subarch crusoe or crusoe-lowlatency?
[11:57] <humbol1> Is there a way to automatically create such a config file without thouching it by hand?
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> stdin: well the machines back up thanks
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> stupid kernel corruption
[12:01] <stdin> :)
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> goto reload my nvidia stuff now for some reason the kernel cant see it
[12:02] <humbol1> can anybody help me with creating creating an additional config file for subarch crusoe
[12:02] <humbol1> The proper way I mean
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> might just stick with the nv driver as I dont play games
[12:06] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Could you instead stick with nouveau?
[12:06] <RAOF> !nouveau | Linux_Galore
[12:06] <ubotu> Linux_Galore: Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[12:06] <RAOF> Heh ;)
[12:06] <bballizlife> hello
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: the nouveau driver from what Ive read doent work with a GF4 setup
[12:07] <Linux_Galore> doesnt*
[12:07] <bballizlife> i tried tribe3 live CD and this was ok. yesterday i tried tribe4 and the live CD can't boot : "Could not find kernel image: linux"
[12:08] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Im finding the batch of updates I did for tribe 4 have way more breakage
[12:08] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Maybe.  You'll never know unless you try :)
[12:08] <bballizlife> i checked that the checksum is ok before i burned the .iso
[12:08] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: I think it works pretty much down as low as TNT2, though.
[12:08] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: They'd love some testing from the older cards :)
[12:09] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: is it on the repo for Gutsy ?
[12:11] <bballizlife> do i have to report a bug ?
[12:12] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Follow the dogfood link in nouveau.
[12:12] <RAOF> !nouveau
[12:12] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[12:12] <Linux_Galore> aaah another repo to add
[12:12] <RAOF> Yes.  They can't be in offcical gutsy, 'cause they'll break other drivers.
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: think I will skip it I have enough breakage to deal with right now
[12:13] <Linux_Galore> just had my kernel image do a flaming homer
[12:13] <RAOF> Linux_Galore: Fair enough.  Just remember, there's an xrandr-1.2 branch there, for multihead goodness :)
[12:15] <Linux_Galore> RAOF: I think its a great project, might resurect another machine and try it
[12:16] <RAOF> I'll also package some of the reverse-engineering tools into that PPA, if you don't want to test the actual drivers.
[12:16] <RAOF> Keep an eye on it :)
[12:16] <Linux_Galore> right now I have to figure out why glib keeps making openoffice crash
[12:30] <humbol1> is there a special lowlatency feisty git tree?
[12:30] <humbol1> When I want to recompile the lowlatency kernel flavour form ubuntu-feisty.git, it seems like debian/config/i386/config.lowlatency is missing.
[12:31] <humbol1> I know feisty is not ubuntu+1 but ...
[12:31] <stdin> humbol1: all the trees are listed in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/
[12:31] <stdin> * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git
[12:32] <humbol1> Does not show a special lowlatency tree, that's why I am asking and wondering what is wrong.
[12:33] <humbol1> The lowlatency stuff is from ubuntu-studio but they are part of the normal repositories.
[12:37] <Toma-> i gave you an answer in #ubuntustudio
[12:37] <Toma-> the config file is in a special location
[12:37] <Toma-> linking it to where its needs to be is a good idea
[01:36] <Toma-> !find linux-rt
[01:36] <ubotu> Found: linux-rt
[01:36] <Toma-> !info linux-rt
[01:36] <ubotu> linux-rt: Complete Linux kernel on realtime kernel. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.6.22.9.10 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[01:43] <Pierre> gah!
[01:43] <Pierre> two days I was trying to test gusty 4 and thought my new 8600 did not work. What did not work was my dvdrw drive, burn out :P
[01:44] <Pierre> it simply stops to read correctly when it gets warm
[01:50] <RadiantFire> thats kind of odd
[01:51] <Pierre> yeah, but annoying enough, I was suspicious when I saw that the install worked once or two and checked the logs, many io errors.
[01:51] <Pierre> plugged another drive and everything works, install running now :)
[02:13] <Do``> could someone help me find out why the new rhythmbox version fails to show up in my repositories? 0.11.1 should be available but apt-get doesnt really shows me newer version being available then 0.10.0
[02:19] <IdleOne> Do``, what does apt-cache policy rhythmbox show you?
[02:21] <Do``> Installed: 0.10.0-0ubuntu2 / Candidate: 0.10.0-0ubuntu2
[02:21] <IdleOne> can someone help me figure out why my clock is losing about 1 hour/day for the past few days?
[02:22] <Do``> the battery in your motherboard needs replacement :)
[02:22] <IdleOne> :P
[02:23] <Do``> is that enough information from the policy output?
[02:23] <IdleOne> yeah
[02:24] <IdleOne> what repo are you using? I mean the country code?
[02:24] <Do``> http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:24] <Do``> someone over #rhythmbox on irc.gimp.net said 7.10 should have 0.11.1 in the repo, his gusty has it too
[02:25] <IdleOne> Do``, try editing /etc/apt/sources.list and using http://archive.ubuntu.com remove all the hu then save changes and run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:27] <Do``> which type do i need to remove the hu. from? main universe restricted or multiverse?
[02:27] <IdleOne> all
[02:27] <Do``> alright
[02:29] <Do``> didnt help
[02:30] <Do``> the only upgrade it found was wine 0.9.42 -> 0.9.43
[02:31] <IdleOne> that is strange
[02:31] <Do``> very
[02:32] <Do``> it still shows 0.10.0 as the candidate as well as the installed version
[02:32] <Do``> is there any other way i can just simply download the .deb file and install it?
[02:34] <Pierre> Do``: little check, have you ran a apt-get update after the sources modication?
[02:34] <Do``> twice :)
[02:34] <Pierre> :)
[02:35] <IdleOne> Do``, you can get the .deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:37] <Do``> hm. i'll try googling the correct url for it then
[02:39] <IdleOne> Do``, that is the correct url
[02:39] <Do``> that page doesn't load
[02:40] <IdleOne> lemme try
[02:40] <Do``> Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at packages.ubuntu.com.
[02:41] <IdleOne> that page may be down at the momment
[02:41] <IdleOne> they might be uploading new packages/ making changes to the page
[02:41] <IdleOne> give it a little time
[02:42] <Do``> alright
[02:44] <Do``> thanks for all the help :) i'll check back in an hour
[02:52] <Do``> hm, found a direct link to it
[02:52] <Do``> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rhythmbox/rhythmbox_0.11.1-0ubuntu3_i386.deb <- this one
[02:52] <Do``> but i cant install it because 'error: dependency not satisfiable libart-2.0-2'
[02:52] <IdleOne> yup thats the one
[02:53] <Do``> which i cant install because there's no package called like that
[02:54] <IdleOne> libart-2.0-2 or libart-2.0-dev
[02:55] <Do``> libart-2.0-dev installed, but the error message remains the same
[02:55] <Do``> E: Couldn't find package libart-2.0 / E: Couldn't find package libart-2
[02:55] <IdleOne> Do``, have you used any third party installers like Automatirx on your system?
[02:55] <ohad> hi, need help with wireless + and suspend - running feisty 2.6.22-9 generic - thinkpad x61s. it works but being flaky. ideas how to fix wireless first?
[02:56] <Do``> IdleOne: none
[02:56] <IdleOne> Do``, the package is called libart-2.0-2
[02:57] <Do``> i still cant install it..
[02:58] <IdleOne> sorry Do`` I dont understand why. best I can tell you is to keep explaining your issue and someone will be able to help you at some point
[02:59] <Do``> after having installed the -dev version
[02:59] <Do``> now when i type it says it's already installed
[02:59] <Do``> libart-2.0-2 is already the newest version.
[02:59] <Do``> however the error message is the same..
[03:07] <ohad> anyone?
[03:09] <jeroenvrp> sometimes when I play a video in vlcplayer, X crashes
[03:10] <hylje> chances are X logs can help
[03:12] <Linux_Galore> jeroenvrp: use mplayer
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> I watch video files all the time and I have yet to use vlc
[03:15] <yellow_chicken> what's with the tribes 3 and 4?
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> Linux_Galore: when I compile mplayer from svn, it gives the same crash
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> si I suppose it's an x-problem
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> and under feisty it gives no crash
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> so it must be a gutsy problem also
[03:17] <jeroenvrp> oh well I will report a bug
[03:26] <IdleOne> yellow_chicken, what do you mean?
[03:26] <yellow_chicken> when don;t they call them alpha 3 and 4 anymore? IdleOne
[03:27] <IdleOne> yellow_chicken, I am guessing that Gutsy GIBBONS live in tribes
[03:27] <hylje> feisty fawn had herds
[03:27] <yellow_chicken> ok
[03:56] <jeroenvrp> Bug #131995
[03:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131995 in xorg "playing a video in various players crashes X or KDE in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131995
[04:40] <theverant> what's the easiest way to share folders via Samba?
[04:52] <finalbeta> theverant: right click, share folder.
[04:53] <theverant> I tried right clicking and adding a SMB share that way - but I can't even see this system on the network, it's not showing up in the workgroup to which I assigned it
[04:54] <finalbeta> then go to it's IP.
[04:54] <theverant> duh.  I should have thought of that
[04:55] <theverant> "Could not connect to host
[04:56] <theverant> I had no problems with this in Kubuntu feisty... :|  But I'm gnew to gnome so it's a bit of a learning curve
[04:56] <finalbeta> no idea... Check that samba is running, can you ping? is the host firewalled?
[04:56] <theverant> I didn't firewall it... I wonder if something was installed automatically?
[04:57] <theverant> yeah I can ping my desktop from the laptop
[04:57] <finalbeta> is samba running?
[04:58] <theverant> ... I think so... it's installed.  How can I check if it's up?
[04:58] <finalbeta> if you used firestarter, you need to add 139
[04:58] <finalbeta> /etc/init.d/samba start
[05:00] <theverant> I don't know what firestarter is, so...I don't think I used it
[05:03] <theverant> samba is definitely running now... but still the desktop isn't showing up on the network
[05:04] <theverant> trying the IP just gives me a timeout
[05:04] <theverant> firestarter isn't installed
[05:29] <bderrly> hey, is the "splash" option in grub default with feisty/gutsy? if so, why does my config not specify a splash image to use and yet has the splash option enabled for every kernel?
[05:30] <bderrly> my box will not boot with the splash option enabled and i'm not sure if it is because there isn't a splash file specified in menu.lst or because of my nvidia 8800 not getting along with the splash screen
[05:31] <Pierre> the later is true
[05:31] <Pierre> besides that getting the 8x serie up and working is a real pain.
[05:31] <bderrly> yes it was/is, but i've got it working fine with X, just not grub
[05:31] <Pierre> ah?
[05:32] <Pierre> I have a 8600 and I'm about to throw it through the window...
[05:32] <bderrly> if i remove the splash option it boots to gdm and the system is completely usable (compiz/beryl don't work so well though)
[05:32] <Pierre> "nv" works not nvidia binaries (true acc.)
[05:32] <bderrly> i'm using nvidia driver
[05:32] <Pierre> which version do you use?
[05:33] <bderrly> Version: 1.0.9755+2.6.22.2-9.7
[05:33] <bderrly> nvidia-glx-new package
[05:34] <Pierre> from ubuntu repository?
[05:34] <bderrly> yep
[05:34] <Pierre> let me try, did not use this one until now
[05:35] <Pierre> but latest from nvidia does not work and default nvidia neither
[05:35] <bderrly> hmm
[06:35] <c01100011> hendrick.kaju.pri is down is there another repo for screenlets ?
[07:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deskbar-applet/+bug/131446
[07:47] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465658
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131446 in deskbar-applet "[gutsy] Deskbar results appears in a window" [Low,Won't fix] 
[07:47] <ubotu> Gnome bug 465658 in general "The in-panel field is gone in new releases" [Enhancement,Unconfirmed] 
[07:47] <DanaG> Wow, who in their right mind would make such a change to ruin an already wonderful applet?
[07:47] <DanaG> s/an already/a/
[07:54] <nemik> does anyone using tribe 4 have the gnome-keyring-manager not work at all? as in it won't remember anything, ever?
[08:19] <dick-richardson> kpowersave's idea of powersave mode is maxing my cpu :P
[08:21] <hylje> you likely have some processes eating it
[08:30] <DanaG> Argh, deskbar-applet is severely useless now.
[08:31] <Pici> DanaG: I agree
[08:32] <Pici> I miss my textbox-on-the-panel
[08:32] <DanaG> I've always used button-with-dropdown.
[08:32] <DanaG> But now, it can no longer validly be called "deskbar" at all!
[08:32] <Pici> Its just a button now.
[08:33] <DanaG> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/d/deskbar-applet/
[08:33] <DanaG> You can install the old version.
[08:34] <DanaG> I just did that ... much better.
[08:35] <fluffysheep> the devs didn't include the drop-down UI because focusing the drop-down required some ugly hacks
[08:35] <fluffysheep> but still ... they've made it far too complicated now
[08:35] <DanaG> It seemed to work just fine before for me.
[08:35] <Pici> What about the on-panel textbox?
[08:35] <fluffysheep> also gone
[08:35] <Pici> er, nevermind, I reread what you said
[08:35] <DanaG> Fine, even if it must be a window, the least they could do is make the window as usable as the dropdown was.
[08:36] <DanaG> I mean, try this: alt-f3.  escape.
[08:36] <DanaG> Or alt-f3 twice.
[08:36] <fluffysheep> latest svn is a bit better now
[08:36] <fluffysheep> after opening an action the window closes by default
[08:37] <Pici> Maybe I'm not using it properly, but what is the second pane in the window for?
[08:37] <fluffysheep> that's when there are multiple actions which you can execute on one search result
[08:38] <mattik> Hello Where can I find right instructions to install compiz-fusion with ati drivers for KDE4? I found only gnome instructions.
[08:38] <DanaG> argh, gcc, gij, and g++ never seem to have changelogs.
[08:38] <fluffysheep> but not all search results have multiple actions, eg executing a program requires one click in the left pane, but web history items have two actions
[08:38] <fluffysheep> opening them or copying url to clipboard
[08:39] <Pici> fluffysheep: Ah, that makes sense.
[08:39] <Pici> But from a UI perspective, its alot of potentially wasted space.
[08:40] <fluffysheep> yep, I already provided the GSoC student responsible for this with that same feedback: http://www.k-d-w.org/node/23#comment-23
[08:41] <fluffysheep> in the hope deskbar gets more usable by the gutsy release
[08:41] <DanaG> k-d-w  is a really obscure domain name.
[08:42] <fluffysheep> DanaG: changelog @ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-August/006272.html
[08:43] <ryan_> So where is running Ubuntu Gutsy? How stable is the latest release? Gona install it on my laptop. Current release of Kubuntu acts kinda weird. Hoping new one is better
[08:43] <ryan_> heard gma 950 works right away
[08:44] <ryan_> is the current release good enought to use on a regular basis yet?
[08:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I heard somebody say that Kubuntu changed from purple in Feisty to blue in Gutsy.
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: what? it never was purple..
[08:45] <DanaG> I kinda' like purple; I wish there were some nice purple Gnome themes.
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: i'm running it and its pretty stable
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: i'm sure your results will vary
[08:46] <ryan_> I had alot of co workers telling me to give KDE a try and I do like some of the apps but im not sure i like it better then gnome lol
[08:46] <DanaG> I can't get used to KDE -- it just feels bulky to me, at times.
[08:46] <DanaG> Note that bulky != bloaty!
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: gnome feels to slim for me
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> note that slim != fast !
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[08:47] <DanaG> One main thing: I'd want my KDE panel to look as nice as my Gnome panel -- or at least, I'd want the better system-monitor applets from Gnome.
[08:47] <ryan_> Also it seems like they are trying to mimick the whole start menu from windows. Sure thats great for newbies but ///
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> I think they all work in KDE
[08:48] <DanaG> They're panel applets.
[08:48] <DanaG> Thus bound to gnome-panel.
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> and you can make KDE look like whatever
[08:48] <DanaG> Try matching the gnome System Monitor applet.
[08:49] <ryan_> yea i do miss that
[08:49] <ryan_> very simple but useful
[08:50] <DanaG> And the slightly-more-complicated "hardware monitor" applet that let you have separate lines for each CPU, for example.
[08:50] <ryan_> Everyone Said that Amarok or whatever is the best audio player but i dont think its any better then rythmbox
[08:50] <ryan_> maybe i havent used it enough yet
[08:50] <d4rkmonkey> I like Amarok so much better actually
[08:50] <d4rkmonkey> if I don't use Amarok I use banshee.
[08:52] <DanaG> I use Amarok due to it having folder-tree views.
[08:52] <d4rkmonkey> I use Amarok due to it being superior.
[08:53] <ryan_> Im downloading 7.10 right now.. I actually grabbed the Kubuntu install so we will see how that goes
[08:53] <ryan_> 53% done @55kbs taking forever
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> yeah amarok just blows away everything else
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> including anything on windows
[08:54] <ryan_> just outta curiosity what is good in it? I havent used it very much as i just started using kde
[08:54] <d4rkmonkey> ryan_, I'm still using gnome and amarok.
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> it looks nicer
[08:55] <ryan_> ahh
[08:55] <ryan_> lol
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> has lyric search
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> has like insta-wikipedia thing
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> has a bunch of information on the song too I think
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> and just overall better
[08:55] <d4rkmonkey> theres probably a bunch of other features there that I don't really notice
[08:56] <ryan_> ill try it more once i do a clean install of gutsy
[08:56] <DanaG> Aargh, fsck.vfat truncated critical files in my Firefox profile.  Now my bookmarks are ALLL GONE!
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: the features are endless..
[08:57] <ryan_> cool
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> anyway.. i'm realy happy because gutsy fixed my wireless
[08:57] <ryan_> yea. Was it not working before
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> atheros AR5005G, if anyone else has this thing..try gutsy
[08:58] <d4rkmonkey> why are you doing a clean install of gutsy?
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> I had to use ndiswrapper b4
[08:58] <ryan_> luckily enough my new laptop everything just worked with feisty. I did have to fix my video driver
[08:58] <DanaG> Oh, and the "jump to specific bug" on Launchpad is missing.
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: what video card?
[08:59] <ryan_> Im doing a clean install because this Kubuntu 7.04 install is acting crazy
[08:59] <ryan_> Intel GMA 950
[08:59] <ryan_> integrated
[08:59] <d4rkmonkey> I had like intel something 965
[08:59] <d4rkmonkey> I think it was GM 965
[08:59] <d4rkmonkey> it was painful to set up.
[08:59] <DanaG> Now how can I make a quicksearch for specific bugs?
[09:00] <nosrednaekim> 950? I thought those things had excellent support!
[09:00] <ryan_> lol.. Yea mine was too. Supposably in Gutsy its supported or so they say
[09:00] <ryan_> we will see later
[09:00] <d4rkmonkey> well, mine is supported better in Gutsy, live CDs still don't work though I think
[09:00] <ryan_> My wireless works fine at least on the new laptop. It has to use restricted driver or whatever but at least it has just worked no issues. Knocks on wood
[09:03] <nemik> nothing mounts on gutsy for me. my media card usb reader doesn't get read at all and i can't even tell where on /dev it gets put
[09:03] <ryan_> Thats not good. What machine you on nemik ?
[09:04] <nemik> an ibm thinkpad t61
[09:04] <nemik> err lenovo
[09:04] <nemik> you don't have that issue?
[09:04] <ryan_> To be honest im waiting for my download to complete. But I have been talking a few others and I haven't heard that issue come up
[09:05] <ryan_> So now im curious if thats with all or just certain machines
[09:05] <nemik> yea me too
[09:05] <ryan_> Cause on Feisty my memory card reader works great on my laptop. Hope it will in Gutsy.
[09:05] <ryan_> Ill report back in a few hrs hopefully
[09:06] <ryan_> Hey nemik. Just curious are you running Kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[09:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/48806
[09:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48806 in sysvinit "vfat filesystems checked by fsck" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[09:07] <nosredna> indeed, thats been bugging me as my windows is installed on fat32
[09:09] <nosredna> bug 1
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[09:09] <nosredna> lol.... I love that
[09:09] <DanaG> bug 0
[09:09] <DanaG> nope.
[09:10] <nemik> ryan_: ubuntu
[09:11] <ryan_> When i go to add/remove programs in Kubuntu it says Error -KDE su returned with an error"  all i can do is click ok
[09:11] <nosredna> ryan_: this is gutsy?
[09:12] <ryan_> nope feisty. Im downloading gutsy now hoping it solves a few issues i have in current os
[09:12] <nosredna> ryan_: hmm, how about running from the command line "kdesu adept_manager"?
[09:13] <ryan_> tried that.. Returns with an error too
[09:13] <nemik> hmm udevmonitor reports nothing when inserting/removing usb key
[09:14] <nemik> not liking gutsy for these things but it's the only thing that will even boot and start X on this laptop
[09:14] <ryan_> I had a few other quirks with stuff just not opening etc. So I was gona re-install Ubuntu "Gnome" since everything worked under that. I figured since im gona do aa reinstall i mise well try out Gutsy first
[09:15] <ryan_> if it runs fine I will just continue to use it, Otherwise i will be reinstall Feisty
[09:16] <nemik> reinstall feisty. there is no point in using gutsy if feisty works for you. unless of course you want to help out with development effors
[09:16] <nemik> s/effors/efforts
[09:17] <fluffysheep> nemik: tried dmesg | tail ?
[09:17] <ryan_> Yea that plus I heard my graphics card works under Gutsy.
[09:19] <nemik> fluffysheep: yea, nothing. tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[09:20] <nemik> oh crap it does work. but on only 1 of the 3 usb ports :/
[09:20] <nemik> the other 2 on the other side of the laptop don't even seem to be detected or doing anything.
[09:21] <nosredna> nemik: do these ports work in fiesty?
[09:25] <nemik> nosredna: no clue. i can't even try feisty on this laptop to see. it fails hard on it
[09:29] <fluffysheep> nemik: you might want to check system logs of startup to see whether the usb controller gets detected
[09:30] <fluffysheep> ubuntu has a nice system log tool under adminstration btw
[09:30] <nosredna> nemik: my computer has one of those ports I think there is no power going to it or something.
[09:31] <nemik> lspci reports intel usb controller 82801h, 5 of them even
[09:32] <c01100011> hendrick.kaju.pri is down is there another repo for screenlets ?
[09:37] <DanaG> Ack, Firefox's addons manager broke.
[09:38] <DanaG> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed                         Location: chrome://mozapps/content/extensions/extensions.xul                     Line Number 2, Column 1:            ^
[09:38] <DanaG> (replaced line breaks with lots of spaces)
[09:40] <DanaG> And the same for the download manager.
[09:50] <DanaG> WTF?  All my animations preferences have been reset AGAIN!~
[09:51] <DanaG> Why does this keep happening?  Every time the defaults are changed, my settings get changed -- even though I have not left them at default!
[09:51] <DanaG> That's just bad manners.
[09:54] <DanaG> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAargh/
[09:59] <nemik> fluffysheep: ok nevermind. reboot fixed it all. no clue what happened to usb's before that but seem to be fine now
[10:05] <DanaG> Oh great, ANOTHER thing it reset:
[10:05] <DanaG> I had it set to cube, but now it's using wall.
[10:07] <tatters> u needed to set hoeizontal virtual  size to 4 to get cube back
[10:07] <DanaG> Oh, and it disabled wobbly, too.
[10:07] <DanaG> No, it's using 4x2 wall.
[10:08] <ccooke> DanaG: That's default - what *didn't* it reset, out of interest?
[10:08] <ccooke> desktop size, I guess
[10:08] <DanaG> I can't find anything.
[10:10] <DanaG> And cube is now like molasses.
[10:14] <mattik> using ubuntu gutsy with beryl. How I get back window minimizing and closing panel?
[10:15] <ccooke> mattik: you shouldn't be using beryl - it's merged with compiz now
[10:15] <ccooke> mattik: also... do you mean the window decorations? the close button on each window?
[10:16] <tatters> Since upgrading to gutsy ny tv card and usb cam failt to work with some apps  I read Nvidia don't support DGA anymore and I have to use -nodga switch is there fic for this in pipeline or do I need to install older drivers?
[10:17] <mattik> I cannoy use compiz with fglrx. I got errors compiz-real crashed
[10:18] <mattik> I' cannot use radeon too. it's not supported
[10:18] <mattik> my card is xpress 200
[10:18] <mattik> xpress 1150
[10:19] <DanaG> Also, fading windows is on, too.
[10:19] <DanaG> So it conflicts visually with animations.
[10:19] <mattik> cooke: I mean toolbar where is buttons close and minimize
[10:21] <mattik> I only tried will I get black screen in logout as feisty
[10:23] <DanaG> Hmm, the new 3D animations actually come off the side of the cube.
[10:23] <DanaG> Cool.
[10:24] <hylje> :o ?
[10:27] <DanaG> And what's with the missing splash and cap images?
[10:31] <fluffysheep> DanaG: moved to seperate plugins
[10:34] <DanaG> I mean, the IMAGES are missing.
[10:34] <DanaG> (where's italics when you need them?)
[10:37] <DanaG> Plus, it's using relative paths.
[10:57] <DanaG> Oh, I wonder where r818x went....
[10:57] <DanaG> (not that I have much use for it... it doesn't support WPA, and I have other cards, and my laptop has built-in anyway.)
[11:38] <Instabin> Humm if you have tribe 3 will it auto update to tribe 4?
[11:39] <Instabin> Also what are the ups and downs to using the 64 bit version?
[11:40] <jrib> Instabin: running 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' will bring you up to date
[11:41] <jrib> Instabin: ups: 64bit downs: some stuff isn't available (no 64bit flash, no 64bit java plugin for your browser) so it takes some extra work tog et them
[11:41] <Instabin> It cant run the 32bit versions?
[11:45] <pvandewyngaerde> there are some worarounds
[11:45] <pvandewyngaerde> workarounds
[12:17] <ryan_> Well I installed Gutsy. Everything seemed to work good.. audio,ethernet,resolution for my laptop lcd.. Crappy thing is my intel integrated wireless which works in Feisty doesn't work in Gutsy
[12:18] <ryan_> shows up and I can see networks. When I select a network it just trys to connect for about 30 secs then always fails
[12:29] <chasetoys> can someone help me getting dual head video card (nvidia geforce 7950) to display output on my second lcd (dvi).... on ubuntu 7.04??  i have already downloaded latest nvidia drivers from nvidia's site, and tried to auto-detect the monitor from the nvidia-settings app.... any other ideas?
[12:29] <Instabin> Does the tribe 4 support the intel/realtek hd audio?