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[01:32] <pygi> morning Fujitsu
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU likely down for the next few days
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ - TOP 10 Uploaders/Packages | REVU likely down for the next few days
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Fujitsu at Wed Aug  8 04:01:59 2007
[08:15] (imbrandon/#ubuntu-motu) ugh, whom broke flashplugin-nonfree
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[08:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: pygi
[08:15] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[08:16] <Hobbsee> hiya imbrandon!
[08:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: then again, whoever sponsored it didnt check it either
[08:18] <Fujitsu> bddebian sponsored it, and Nafallo uploaded a fix which should be published in about 20 minutes.
[08:21] <crimsun> nope.
[08:21] <crimsun> 7 is still broken.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Really?
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[08:21] <crimsun> 7 will fail to update from both 5 and 6.
[08:22] <Fujitsu> That'll need a new prerm, right?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> then again, those using gutsy should be able to figure out how to fix 5, 6, to be able to upgrade to 7
[08:23] <Hobbsee> but it'd be better to fix it, yes
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Why? It'll teach them.
[08:29] <imbrandon> heh
[08:30] <imbrandon> but still annoying
[08:34] <pygi> crimsun, ergh, I tested, yes, but before that did a cleanup of dpkg status file :-/
[08:37] <pygi> (the same problem hasn't been with gnash too)
[08:37] <pygi> ergh!!
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[08:42] <pygi> s/hasn't/is with
[09:01] <roshan_s> Does anyone have an idea of when REVU will be back up?
[09:03] <Hobbsee> roshan_s: /topic
[09:03] <Fujitsu> No ETA at this time.
[09:04] <roshan_s> Hobbsee: Fujitsu: Sorry, but the topic hasn't been changed for a few days, so I was hoping there might be some updated info. Thanks anyway.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> roshan_s: probably because there is none :)  People keep asking
[09:04] <crimsun> pygi: fix uploaded for 131865 and its duplicates.
[09:05] <crimsun> guys, please test upgrades next time, too.
[09:05] <Fujitsu> elmo was meant to be giving an update yesterday afternoon UTC, but that didn't eventuate.
[09:05] <roshan_s> Hobbsee: Well, I know me my behaviour is a bit irrational, but I was just hoping... :-| I just made my first package a few days ago and I'm a bit excited about it
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[11:49] <norsetto> slomo: big mistake .... now I have to ask you if you received my email about mentoring status :-)
[11:51] <Fujitsu> geser: Hah! Beat you by 21 seconds.
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[12:01] <norsetto> slomo: a y or n is enough ......
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[12:18] <simu> i have a question about REVU and the following doc page
[12:18] <simu> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ubuntu-upload.html
[12:18] <simu> the REVU link is dead
[12:18] <Fujitsu> simu: See /topic
[12:18] <simu> oh
[12:19] <simu> thanks
[12:21] <simu> and why is it down?
[12:22] <simu> the next few days, wow
[12:23] <Fujitsu> It's down because the Canonical server it was on has apparently been compromised.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> It's being moved to new hardware.
[12:23] <Fujitsu> And hopefully being checked for any security issues.
[12:24] <simu> revu.tauware.de is a canionical server?
[12:24] <Fujitsu> On a Canonical server, yes.
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[12:28] <simu> actually I wanted to do my very first packaging for ubuntu and now the uload server hhas been compromised.
[12:28] <simu> :-(
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[12:49] <guardian> morning
[12:50] <Fujitsu> Hi guardian.
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[01:00] <simu> packages.ubuntu.com down too?
[01:01] <Fujitsu> simu: I don't think that's the same issue.
[01:02] <Fujitsu> Um, that's odd. I don't think that host is meant to be in Germany.
[01:02] <minghua> Fujitsu: I think it's okay.  I remember hearing that p.u.c is on non-canonical machine.
[01:03] <Fujitsu> minghua: Ah, OK.
[01:03] <minghua> simu: Just use launchpad.  Not as convenient as p.u.c, but all packages are there.
[01:09] <simu> I'm looking for an easy package that I can maintain
[01:10] <simu> I have a list in launchbad with all packages tagged needs-packaging and that are unasigned
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=== AndyP finds a changelog made up of 33 haikus :)
[01:52] <AndyP> (debconf 0.9.10)
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[02:06] <slomo> norsetto: yes, sorry... i wasn't there and busy in the last days, you'll get an answer tomorrow
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[03:10] <norsetto> slomo: thx
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[03:24] <simu> where do I find a list of possible sections (devil, etc. control file)
[03:25] <guardian> debian policy ?
[03:26] <norsetto> yes: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[03:26] <norsetto> I think we use the same, don't we?
[03:27] <simu> thanks
[03:28] <stgraber> yep, maybe we have some ubuntu specific ones, but we at least have the debian ones (otherwise syncing would be a problem :))
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[04:21] <khermans_> is there a common way of fixing lintian's 'executable-not-elf-or-script' ?
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[04:22] <khermans_> this warning is generic, but i wonder if there is something existing to fix this, other than me hacking up some find foo
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[04:27] <khermans_> debian policy manual section 10.4 does not suggest an automated solution
[04:27] <khermans_> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-scripts
[04:32] <minghua> khermans_: Why do you assume there is an automated solution?  After all, there are dozens of interpreted languages.
[04:33] <khermans_> minghua, well i figured someone maybe utilized the tools find, file, grep, and chmod
[04:33] <khermans_> :-)
[04:34] <khermans_> my automated hack would be, find all +x, run file | grep -i script/elf, then chmod the ones that are
[04:34] <minghua> I suppose it's pretty hard to differentiate POSIX sh scripts and bash-only scripts with file and grep.
[04:34] <khermans_> lose the x for non-scripts/elf
[04:34] <khermans_> minghua, i dont think it matters, they are both executable
[04:35] <khermans_> what is your point?
[04:35] <minghua> khermans_: Hmm, I am probably thinking about the wrong problem.
[04:35] <khermans_> yes i think so
[04:35] <minghua> khermans_: So where are these files installed?  Do you want to execute them or not?
[04:36] <khermans_> minghua, are you familiar with lintina?
[04:36] <khermans_> lintian
[04:36] <khermans_> minghua, i am packaging metasploit
[04:37] <minghua> khermans_: Not really, but it sounds your problem should be fixed by dh_fixperms.
[04:37] <khermans_> minghua, oh let me check
[04:39] <broonie> If it's a script it should have a #! line at the top specifying the interpreter.
[04:39] <khermans_> of course
[04:39] <khermans_> broonie, problem was some file had +x bit set, but were .h or .c files
[04:39] <khermans_> actually, many varying files
[04:39] <khermans_> and some files were scripts, but didn't have +x set
[04:40] <minghua> khermans_: See, it's not only I that is misunderstanding.
[04:40] <khermans_> minghua, i dont think dh_fixperms does it though
[04:40] <khermans_> it looked good at first
[04:41] <norsetto> what about this: find debian/ -type f -name "*.h" -or -name "*.c" | xargs chmod -x
[04:41] <khermans_> norsetto, yes of course
[04:41] <khermans_> i can hack out something, but there are an infinite number of possible file types
[04:42] <khermans_> not mertely c/h
[04:42] <khermans_> :-(
[04:42] <khermans_> i just though some MOTU guys would have a tool for this
[04:43] <khermans_> i came up with this
[04:43] <khermans_> find metasploit3/ -type f -perm /u=x,g=x,o=x | while read line; do file ${line} | grep -i script; done
[04:44] <khermans_> ahh and see, found my first bug in 3 seconds
[04:44] <khermans_> if path contains 'script' you lose
[04:45] <khermans_> so now must add cut/awk
[04:45] <khermans_> ...etc..etc..etc...more bug....bugs.bugs...
[04:46] <norsetto> have you asked upstream? Tell them to put their act together......
[04:46] <khermans_> norsetto, lol alrighty then :-)
[04:46] <khermans_> i did ask in #debian
[04:46] <khermans_> maybe i head to debian devel
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[04:56] <simu> hi i try to pachage a tool, pbuilder build fails at checking for GTK... configure: error: gtk+-2.0 is a dependency
[04:56] <simu> my devian/control: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev, libgtk2.0-0, libglade2-0, libgdk-pixbuf2
[04:57] <simu> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[04:57] <simu> INSTALL file of the tool I want to package:
[04:57] <pygi> you need to build depend on libgtk2.0-dev
[04:57] <pygi> build depends means you need -dev packages
[04:57] <pygi> and not regular ones
[04:57] <simu> Dependencies: gtk+-2.0, libglade-2.0, gdk-2.0, gdk-pixbuf-2.0
[04:57] <pygi> same goes for libglade and pixbuf
[04:59] <simu> thanks, another question: the dependencies listed in INSTALL are always build-depends
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> Somebody needs to step up to the plate and take Ubuntu or some debianite into hard marketed enterprise Linux :(
[05:00] <simu> how do I find out the run-depends
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> Has anyone actually tried to run CentOS or SuSE
[05:01] <bluefoxicy> "Oh I want to install <insert Web application> .... oh, packages for <insert library> don't exist.  I'll just rpmbuild --rebuild them from fedora.. Oh I need 30 dependencies for this one.. oh and 12 for this dependency, and 15 for that dependency..."
[05:02] <bluefoxicy> I freaking chucked it and threw in Ubuntu.  You can NOT get MySQL Administrator working on CentOS5 or RHEL5, I know that much.
[05:02] <simu> it is called the rpm-hell
[05:03] <bluefoxicy> (nor CATS with any reasonable functionality; you can't even upload resums without rebuilding at least 12 packages from Fedora, and that only gets you Word docs ... you CAN'T get xpdf compiled, so no PDF resums)
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[05:07] <bddebian> Heya gang
[05:11] <crimsun> morn', barry.
[05:11] <bddebian> Hi crimsun
[05:14] <bddebian> Uh oh, you touched flashplugin too?
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[05:14] <crimsun> I had to.
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[05:16] <bddebian> :-(  Sorry
[05:17] <crimsun> not your fault :)
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[05:18] <bddebian> Well it partially is.  I didn't really do any install testing :-(
[05:19] <crimsun> installs were fixed quickly; upgrades were broken
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[05:23] <bddebian> Oh crimsun.  What do you think of adding dependencies for things like gnome-icon-theme to packages like muine?  Damn thing uses gnome icons but KDE users are using it and don't have gnome-icons installed obviously.
[05:24] <crimsun> sec.
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[05:27] <crimsun> looks fairly innocuous to me.  I might think about a Recommends instead of a Depends since muine would appear to still function without g-i-t.
[05:28] <bddebian> Aye
[05:35] <bddebian> crimsun: thx
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[05:35] <crimsun> np
[05:36] <bddebian> What's up with packages.u.c? Are they working on the DC today?
[05:37] <crimsun> don't know offhand
[05:37] <crimsun> I normally use `rmadison -u ubuntu sourcepackage' (needs feisty IIRC)
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[05:42] <bddebian> Dumb question but should Recommends: be versioned?
[05:43] <crimsun> if you need them to be
[05:44] <bddebian> Yeah, thought so, but I don't think it should matter in this case
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[05:59] <asantoni> ok, question
[05:59] <geser> Hi bddebian
[06:00] <asantoni> How do I get a .diff.gz when I use pbuilder to build the source package, etc?
[06:00] <asantoni> oh nm
[06:00] <asantoni> maybe
[06:00] <asantoni> no no
[06:00] <asantoni> question still valid :)
[06:00] <bddebian> Heya geser
[06:00] <bddebian> asantoni: The diff.gz is generated from dpkg-buildpackage or debuild
[06:01] <asantoni> hmmm
[06:01] <asantoni> yeah, I was using "pdebuild"
[06:01] <asantoni> What's the difference between pdebuild and dpkg-buildpackage?
[06:02] <bddebian> Sorry never used pdebuild so I couldn't tell ya.  Though I assume it uses debuild with a pbuilder?
[06:03] <asantoni> beats me, package building confuses the hell out of me :)
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[06:14] <asantoni> here you go
[06:15] <asantoni> compare:
[06:15] <asantoni> mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[06:15] <asantoni> mixxx-1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg.orig.tar.gz
[06:15] <asantoni> that damn underscore screws me over every time
[06:16] <crimsun> asantoni: pdebuild does what bddebian mentioned.
[06:17] <asantoni> dpkg-source: building mixxx using existing mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg.orig.tar.gz
[06:17] <asantoni> dpkg-source: building mixxx in mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:17] <asantoni> dpkg-source: building mixxx in mixxx_1.5.2svn~20070807dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:17] <asantoni>  dpkg-genchanges -S
[06:17] <asantoni> crimsun: thanks
[06:17] <asantoni> just needed to have the .orig.tar.gz named properly for pdebuild to find it :)
[06:18] <bddebian> Gotta run thanks again crimsun
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[06:26] <aos101> I've noticed the gpredict package is a bit out of date (it's 0.6, and 0.8 was released in June).  How would I go about getting it updated?  Does it depend on debian updating it upstream?
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[06:27] <RainCT> is packages.ubuntu.com working for you?
[06:27] <asantoni> aos101: I'm probably the least authoritative person in this room, but I feel the need to pay forward some help I just got
[06:27] <asantoni> aos101: No, if you build an updated package, you can get it into Universe
[06:28] <aos101> packages.ubuntu.com is dead for me too.
[06:29] <asantoni> aos101: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto   "Rebuilding a package" might be a good starting point
[06:30] <aos101> OK Thanks.
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[06:57] <crimsun> double you tee eff @ #131967.
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[07:00] <nixternal> crimsun: lol
[07:01] <nixternal> or better yet... ell ohh ell
[07:05] <AndyP> looks like that person has filed some more wtf bugs
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[07:06] <AndyP> "Space key not working"  (...!)
[07:09] <J-Unit> k, retarded question of the day, what eactly is "lpia"?
[07:09] <AndyP> low power intel architecture
[07:10] <J-Unit> ah, ok
[07:11] <J-Unit> http://www.intel.com/technology/systems/lpia/
[07:11] <J-Unit> thanks
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[07:46] <tsmithe> man-di, aha
[07:46] <tsmithe> did you get my e-mail?
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[08:40] <eggwarmer> Has anybody seen this error before: files list file for package `os-prober' is missing final newline
[08:41] <eggwarmer> I Just did a Xubuntu install and now I can't install or upgrade anything else.
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[10:33] <ajmitch> morning
[10:34] <norsetto> hi
[10:35] <geser> Hi ajmitch
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[10:41] <sparr> Can one package be made to cause the uninstallation of another via dpkg?  Or only via apt?
[10:45] <ajmitch> dpkg won't automatically remove another package based on Conflicts, but it will stop it being installed
[10:46] <jmg> 7rmm
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[10:47] <bddebian> re
[10:48] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[10:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:48] <bddebian> ScottK: You aboot?
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[10:53] <ajmitch> odd, a package was apparantly synced but the new version doesn't show up on LP
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[10:57] <sparr> ajmitch: what about apt?
[10:58] <ajmitch> that's what apt is for
[10:59] <ajmitch> you use a combination of Conflicts & Replaces to say that one package fully replaces another
[10:59] <sparr> ahh
[10:59] <sparr> i shall try that
[11:01] <bddebian> Hmm, if ghex build-deps on libgail-dev and the dependencies are shlibs:Depends, it will pick up libgail, not necessarily libgail-dev right?
[11:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, whatever is specified in the shlibs file
[11:02] <bddebian> Hrm
[11:03] <ajmitch> root@augustine:/home/ajmitch# less /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgail18.shlibs
[11:03] <ajmitch> root@augustine:/home/ajmitch# less /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgail18.shliblibgailutil 18 libgail18 (>= 1.10.1), libgail-common (>= 1.10.1)
[11:03] <bddebian> Damn, so it looks like ghex should have a specific dep on libgail-dev
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[11:03] <bddebian> ajmitch: Aye, I was just looking at that :-)
[11:03] <ajmitch> why?
[11:04] <ajmitch> is ghex broken & trying to load the .so directly?
[11:04] <bddebian> Possibly
[11:04] <bddebian> Bug #131447
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131447 in ghex "libgtkhex0-dev should have dependency on libgail-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131447
[11:04] <ajmitch> oh that's fine
[11:05] <ajmitch> -dev packages should depend on other -dev packages, certainly
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[11:06] <bddebian> SOrry, source package is ghex
[11:06] <ajmitch> ok
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[11:09] <bmm> With REVU down, is there a good alternative in any debian mentoring system? Anywhere I should post my packages in the meantime?
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[11:11] <jmg> bmm: i beleive the alternative would be your own webhost
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[11:12] <bmm> hmm... I'm just learning that someone in debian is already posting the same software for review in mentors, which would make the ubuntu version obsolete :-S I hate it when other people already did my job...
[11:12] <jmg> bmm: unless his package doesnt work in ubuntu
[11:13] <bmm> jmg: how can a debian package not work in ubuntu? The only thing they are going to do different is leave out the desktop file and the "ubuntu1" version ;-)
[11:13] <bddebian> heh
[11:15] <jmg> bmm: there are many possibilities, the main one being depending on a version of something that is in sid that hasnt been synced to ubuntu yet
[11:15] <jmg> python packages tend to require some massaging to work with py2.5
[11:16] <bddebian> Hrm, to package a new xmlrpc-c or not to, that is the question..
[11:17] <johanbr__> I just noticed some of the mono libs in gutsy are fairly old. Are there any plans on updating them for gutsy, or is that too late?
[11:18] <jmg> johanbr__: are the updated libraries in sid?
[11:18] <Nafallo> wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
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[11:19] <bddebian> Nafallo: Oh hush up and get back to fixing my uploads ;-P
[11:19] <johanbr__> jmg: No, I don't think so.
[11:19] <Nafallo> bddebian: *asg*
[11:19] <jmg> johanbr__: then you will need to build the libraries to even have a chance
[11:19] <bddebian> asg?
[11:19] <Nafallo> bddebian: lol in swedish :-)
[11:19] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[11:20] <johanbr__> For instance, libtelepathy-cil is based on an svn snapshot from February and hasn't been updated since Feisty.
[11:20] <Nafallo> bddebian: feel free to steal it ;-)
[11:20] <johanbr__> jmg: Oh. I don't think I have either the skills or the time for that. :)
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[11:21] <johanbr__> Nafallo: be quiet :)
[11:21] <bddebian> hehe
[11:21] <Nafallo> everyone tells me that today... :-P
[11:22] <mruiz> hi all
[11:22] <jmg> johanbr__: that package is not in sid at all
[11:23] <bmm> Would somebody be willing to review my package if I post in on my own server? The package is called "boswars" and it's a real-time strategy game.
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[11:24] <jmg> johanbr__: you can try and update from svn and rebuild
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[11:25] <johanbr__> jmg: Sure, that I could handle. But I don't think I have the test (or the skills to fix) any packages that might break because of the update.
[11:26] <johanbr__> "...the time to test..."
[11:26] <jmg> johanbr__: what are the rdepends?
[11:27] <johanbr__> jmg: It appears, none. :)
[11:27] <johanbr__> At least for libtelepathy-cil.
[11:28] <jmg> johanbr__: :)
[11:28] <jmg> johanbr__: but it looks as if the upgdate to libtelepathy-cil will require updating the telepathy-sharp source package
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[11:29] <jmg> johanbr__: which appears to provide nothing but libtelepathy-cil
[11:29] <jmg> so question - if it as no rdepends, why is it in ubuntu? :)
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[11:29] <Nafallo> haha
[11:29] <Nafallo> jmg: telepathyteam probably :-)
[11:30] <jmg> johanbr__: go and talk to the telepathy guys about it. #ubuntu-desktop
[11:30] <johanbr__> jmg: Alright, will do. Thanks.
[11:33] <bmm> How can I link to an debian ITP? I've already added a link to a debian bug but now I can't add another one. I'd like to add http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437382 to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/128416 but can't find a way.
[11:33] <ubotu> Debian bug 437382 in wnpp "ITP: boswars -- futuristic real-time strategy game" [Wishlist,Open] 
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[11:35] <jmg> bmm: looks like a nice game :)
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[11:37] <bmm> jmg: it is! But it's already being packaged in debian, so my efforts where all in vein. Pretty upsetting, since I've been working together with the developers to get the ubuntu package done as soon as they released.
[11:37] <bmm> Now the work has been done over by somebody at debian, and I must say that they did a better job at it ;-)
[11:37] <bmm> (I'm just a beginner at packaging)
[11:38] <jmg> bmm: well just make sure it builds on ubuntu - then take the credit :-)
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[11:38] <jmg> bmm: i dont see it in sid yet
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[11:38] <bmm> jmg: I'll see what I can do ;-)
[11:38] <ajmitch> bmm: another reason to do work in debian first :)
[11:39] <bmm> ajmitch: I've tried to work in debian in the past, but never got anybody to review anything I did so I just gave up. After looking at ubuntu for a while, I tried my luck there :-)
[11:40] <jmg> ajmitch: maybe bmm doesnt want to die doing the jump-6-helicopters-thru-a-ring-of-fire-on-a-motorbike DD induction :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> there's no requirement to be a DD to get packages into debian
[11:40] <jmg> you need sponsorship at least
[11:41] <ajmitch> same with ubuntu
[11:41] <jmg> ubuntu is friendlier
[11:41] <ajmitch> until I show up
[11:41] <jmg> then we ignore you and go back to being friendly :-)
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