[01:19] <laga> re
[08:53] <Daviey> superm1: ping
[08:53] <superm1> hey Daviey
[08:54] <superm1> i spoke with brandon again today
[08:54] <Daviey> you are up late/ealry
[08:54] <superm1> and he filled me in on it all
[08:54] <superm1> late....
[08:54] <superm1> i'll be hitting the sack in a bit likely
[08:54] <Daviey> i phoned him uo yesterday
[08:54] <Daviey> he told me he was having problems with the switch or something
[08:55] <Daviey> The yanky accent has kinda hard to follow :)
[08:55] <superm1> haha
[08:55] <superm1> well i spoke to him the day before you
[08:55] <superm1> right before i started to load up the truck to get moving
[08:56] <Daviey> you're moving house again?
[08:56] <superm1> haha
[08:56] <superm1> yup
[08:56] <superm1> just did
[08:58] <Daviey> nicer than the old place?
[08:58] <superm1> well just another place
[08:58] <superm1> to finish up my last semester here at the uni
[08:58] <Daviey> you job has finished?
[08:59] <Daviey> your*
[08:59] <superm1> well yes and no
[08:59] <superm1> because it got extended through the semester part time
[08:59] <superm1> but formally finished that part of the work
[08:59] <Daviey> cool
[09:01] <superm1> but in any which case, i do need to get to bed
[09:01] <superm1> i'll catch you tomorrow or so
[09:01] <Daviey> must have only been a couple of months tho?
[09:02] <Daviey> nn
[10:49] <DaveMorris> I got this comment on my blog - "the installer doesn't work for me as the mythbuntu site is down, anything I should do to fix this?" - how come it depends on mythbuntu.org?  I'm guessing they should do an instal without a network connection, but will it still setup network for once it's installed?
[01:39] <laga> re
[01:40] <laga> DaveMorris: AFAIK it needs to etch some packages from there... or at least it tries to
[01:48] <laga> DaveMorris: are your the documentation guy?
[02:44] <laga> gah
[02:45] <laga> i'd need "timeouts for dialogs" in zenity *now* and not in gnome 2.20
[02:54] <laga> sleep 5 | zenity --progress it is then
[02:54] <laga> *sigh*
[03:51] <laga> i extended mythtv-setup.sh a bit. now it'll ask you if you want to open the documentation on the second virtual desktop if you start mythtv-setup.
[03:51] <laga> http://laga.ath.cx/mythtv-setup-open-documentation.jpg <- screenshot
[03:51] <laga> what do you think?
[04:00] <laga> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty
[04:00] <laga> ^^ some of the anchors there are broken
[04:32] <Paladine> anyone in here got any experience with dual tuner dvb-s cards?
[04:32] <laga> anyone in here got any experience with meta questions?
[04:32] <laga> yes, i'm everywhere ;)
[04:34] <laga> Paladine: have you checked the linuxtv ressources yet?
[07:04] <laga> hey superm1
[07:06] <laga> superm1: http://www.pastebin.ca/654649 - what do you think about this patch?
[07:07] <laga> superm1: it'll open the mythtv docs when you start mythtv-setup
[07:07] <superm1> well it adds a dependency of firefox
[07:07] <superm1> so that would still need to be included
[07:08] <laga> it does not if you look closely
[07:08] <laga> if neither firefox nor mythbrowser are installed it won't do anything
[07:08] <laga> it adds a dependency on wmctrl (until i can figure out a way to send it to the second virtual desktop on openbox itself)
[07:09] <superm1> windows + f2?
[07:09] <laga> but wmctrl is not big
[07:09] <superm1> what does that do?
[07:09] <laga> superm1: it jumps to the second virtual deskto
[07:09] <laga> p
[07:09] <superm1> er nothing on my machine
[07:09] <laga> the idea is to be able to switch between mythtv-setup and the docs easily
[07:09] <superm1> on both of my gnome desktops it appears to not do anything?
[07:09] <laga> superm1: that's an openbox keybindung
[07:09] <laga> s/bindung/binding/
[07:09] <superm1> well what if its not launched under openbox?
[07:10] <laga> i can test for that ;)
[07:10] <superm1> okay well one other worry
[07:10] <superm1> if the user opens it
[07:10] <superm1> then it will stay open
[07:10] <superm1> when mythtv-setup is closed
[07:11] <laga> two different cases. a) mythbuntu: user will log out ater some time, especially if he's logged in as an user other than mythtv to do maintenance
[07:12] <laga> b) ubuntu: user uses common sense and his mouse to close the window
[07:18] <superm1> well if its on a different virtual desktop
[07:18] <superm1> it can easily be overlooked
[07:18] <superm1> and the issue with use case 1, we're gonna switch over to everythign in normal user
[07:18] <superm1> after the control centre is done
[07:18] <superm1> and the control centre will be an option in the frontend
[07:20] <laga> my two main concerns are: zenity does not yet support timeouts, that's why i'm using sleep 10 | zenity which will show a dialog window for 10 seconds.. but even if you abort, it'll wait 10s before starting the frontend
[07:20] <laga> launching a GTK app from mythfrontend? ugly, IMHO.
[07:20] <laga> especially because i cannot be controlled via lirc
[07:20] <laga> that's why i'd keep the separate user
[07:22] <superm1> well this can later be ported to QT
[07:22] <laga> how would that help? still no LIRC, still a desktop-ish look & feel
[07:22] <superm1> although i didn't write it that way that it would be easy, it would be doable
[07:23] <superm1> well perhaps that option in myth for the control centre can issue a logout command
[07:23] <laga> unless we'd add a control centre handler to the lirc generation stuff
[07:23] <superm1> there is
[07:23] <superm1> for lirc generation
[07:23] <laga> i meant the other way around: generate a lircrc for use with irxevent to control the control centre
[07:24] <laga> we could always use libmythui to write a control centre, but that's got PITA written all over it
[07:24] <superm1> http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotmythbuntucontsb3.png
[07:24] <superm1> oh yea it would
[07:24] <superm1> well i was thinking
[07:24] <superm1> the control centre can query if VNC is running
[07:24] <superm1> and if not, launch it with the control centre
[07:25] <laga> that would require an additional computer to be available
[07:25] <superm1> right
[07:26] <superm1> but really a lot of the things in the control centre atm would only work well with a mouse
[07:27] <laga> hrm
[07:27] <laga> humpf
[07:29] <laga> lircmd?
[07:30] <laga> LIRC mouse daemon - translates infrared signals into mouse events
[07:33] <laga> dcop support for the control centre?
[07:33] <laga> there's a python-dcop package
[07:35] <laga> superm1: lircmd could be interesting.
[07:36] <laga> " I recommend that you use a special button to activate the mouse daemon with this command. You will see whenever the daemon is activated/deactivated directly on the screen. If you omit this command the daemon will always be active.
[07:36] <laga> "
[07:36] <superm1> Well mouse daemon?
[07:36] <superm1> how does that work well i wonder
[07:36] <laga> it's very hard to glue everything together properly
[07:38] <superm1> indeed
[07:38] <superm1> also i'd say that should be optional
[07:38] <superm1> to open the documentation
[07:38] <superm1> and if a kill signal can be sent to the web browser that was opened
[07:39] <superm1> when mythtv-setup.real is killed
[07:39] <superm1> it'd be feasible
[07:39] <superm1> i'll be back in a  bit though, i'm gonna eat some lunch
[07:39] <laga> it is optional to open the documentation. if you hit "abort" it's not opened
[07:40] <laga> i'll improve the script later, gotta run too
[07:52] <laga> there is a problem with just killing the browser - firefox will open a new tab if there's already an instance running.
[08:36] <AMD-ubuntuPOWEo> hi
[08:37] <jams> laga..yes a control center using libmythui would be a pita
[08:38] <laga> jams: you're doing it, right? :)
[08:38] <jams> well yeah..but it's still a pita
[08:39] <AMD-ubuntuPOWEo> you guys use mythweb ?
[08:39] <jams> those screens are so dang touchy and position and what not
[08:40] <laga> AMD-ubuntuPOWEo: maybe
[08:56] <AMD-ubuntuPOWEo> well you should its great
[08:56] <laga> i know ;)
[09:08] <AMD-ubuntuPOWEo> any way laga.....
[09:41] <chuk> is there a way to burn an ISO from within myth?
[09:41] <chuk> I can't seem to find it
[09:42] <chuk> I assume its in mytharchive, but I couldn't find it
[10:01] <xxZinnx> ello
[10:01] <xxZinnx> ...
[10:01] <xxZinnx> anyone there?
[10:01] <xxZinnx> i need some suggestions on an hd frontend box
[10:30] <laga> xxZinnx: #mythtv-users
[10:31] <laga> chuk: i have never seen such a thing
[11:30] <tampafl> "sorry mythtv not allowed to execute /usr/bin/xxx as root on mythtc"  sudo does not work either
[11:31] <laga> sorry to hear that
[11:31] <tampafl> yeah, sucks.  want to do something other than myth today.  any suggestions?
[11:32] <laga> no
[11:32] <laga> i don't know what your problem is
[11:32] <tampafl> lol ;)
[11:34] <tampafl> lilo menu does not alwasy come up on boot
[11:35] <tampafl> ok , now lilo menu with 2 ooptions...yesterday there were like 3 kernels to pick from!
[11:37] <laga> mythbuntu does not use lilo
[11:37] <laga> you must be using a non-standard config
[11:38] <tampafl> ooops wrong room, using knoppixmyth
[11:38] <tampafl> sorry.
[12:17] <jams> heh  thats a bit of a mistake
[12:20] <Paladine> whats the recommended minimum hardware for a slave backend?
[12:26] <DaveMorris> superm1: we got an eta for mythbuntu to be backup or do we need to start moving it to another server within ubuntu ?
[12:26] <Paladine> hey DaveMorris
[12:26] <DaveMorris> hey Paladine
[12:27] <Paladine> fancy seeing you here
[12:27] <DaveMorris> I'm here more often than ubuntu-uk :)
[12:27] <Paladine> hey you running a dvb-s setup?
[12:28] <DaveMorris> afraid not, txwigger is though, he should be back from holoiday tomorrow
[12:28] <Paladine> trying to figure out which would be the best cards to buy
[12:28] <Paladine> I need 4
[12:30] <Paladine> at 11:30pm?