[12:42] <Fooll> I'm setting up a xubuntu for a computer which is going to placed in a bar for customers to have access to internet. How could I easily restrict user privileges so that basically all they could do is open up a web browser?
[12:43] <TheSheep> Fooll: xfce has some kiosk options
[12:43] <TheSheep> Fooll: firefox has some more
[12:43] <TheSheep> Fooll: refer to their documentation
[12:48] <Fooll> kk
[12:48] <Fooll> I found this kiosk admin tool, looks fairly promising
[09:05] <m0u5e> whats the shortcut key to lock your screen?
[09:25] <hyper_ch> m0u5e: had a look at the keyboard settings? either there is already one or you can create one
[09:27] <m0u5e> hyper_ch: no there is none :(, how would i create it?
[09:28] <hyper_ch> m0u5e: just make one that will start the screensaver, which by default is password protected
[09:28] <m0u5e> hmm
[09:42] <hyper_ch> m0u5e: doing just 1 google search, looking at the descriptions, hitting the first one that looks ok showed me this:  http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/05/29/your-wish-is-xubuntus-command/
[09:49] <m0u5e> hyper_ch: thx ill check it otu :D
[09:49] <hyper_ch> m0u5e: you know, google can do wonders ;)
[09:51] <m0u5e> hyper_ch: hehe, yeah im doing a lot of things all at once :D trying to learn how to make install so i can get audacious 1.3.2 working :D
[09:52] <m0u5e> theres no deb available :(
[09:52] <hyper_ch> m0u5e: checked the medibuntu repos for audacious? or getdeb.net? and activated the other repos?
[09:53] <m0u5e> hmm havent enabled getdeb
[09:53] <m0u5e> but yeah ive checked medibuntu
[09:53] <m0u5e> they're just behind
[09:53] <m0u5e> 1.2.4 or something
[09:53] <m0u5e> but thats a really buggy releases :(
[11:44] <cynomyS> hey guys, I have some trouble installing themes
[11:44] <cynomyS> I can't copy a theme folder into /usr/share/themes
[11:44] <cynomyS> it was downloaded as a tarball (tar.gz)
[11:44] <thyko> soo ... why is there a rat in the xubuntu logo?
[11:45] <Catoptromancy> its a mouse
[11:45] <Catoptromancy> heh
[11:45] <cynomyS> I can't extract the contents of the tar into the themes folder
[11:45] <cynomyS> no success in the terminal either, sudo cp doesn't work
[11:46] <cynomyS> sudo cp thefolder /usr/blahblah
[11:46] <thyko> tar -x whatever.tar /usr/wherever ....
[11:46] <cynomyS> I'll try that, thank you
[11:49] <thyko> cynomyS: here's a way that will surely work: cd /usr/wherever; sudo tar -xvf /path/to/whatever.tar
[11:50] <cynomyS> thx thyko, will try that
[11:50] <cynomyS> thought when I typed the previous command, nothing really happened
[11:50] <cynomyS> I'm still in terminal
[11:50] <cynomyS> but I can't type anything
[11:50] <cynomyS> well I can
[11:51] <cynomyS> but the name@name: is gone
[11:51] <cynomyS> I've encounetered that before, but don't remember how to "get back"
[11:53] <TheSheep> ctrl+d
[11:53] <cynomyS> thanks
[11:56] <TheSheep> cynomyS: you can just unpack it in your home and then run 'gksu thunar' and copy it
[11:57] <cynomyS> cool
[11:57] <cynomyS> thanks!
[11:59] <cynomyS> by the way, the ctrl+d command did not work
[11:59] <cynomyS> same thing happened in the terminal (xterm) when I did the gksu thunar
[12:00] <cynomyS> name@name: is gone again
[12:00] <cynomyS> whoa, now it's back
[12:01] <cynomyS> how do I "undo" things?
[12:01] <cynomyS> like ctrl+z in win
[12:02] <TheSheep> same in the aps that support it
[12:03] <TheSheep> console doesn't support undo (neither in windows)
[12:04] <cynomyS> was talking about thunar
[12:04] <cynomyS> like if I delete something, and want to undo it
[12:05] <TheSheep> cynomyS: it's in the trash
[12:05] <cynomyS> of course it is
[12:05] <cynomyS> but there isn't any key shortcut to undo the deletion?
[12:06] <TheSheep> no
[12:06] <cynomyS> okay
[12:06] <TheSheep> cynomyS: but the idea is nice, make a feature request :)
[12:06] <cynomyS> maybe I will! :)
[12:07] <cynomyS> I'd also like to translate the thunar manual into swedish
[12:07] <TheSheep> then again, most file operations are not undoable, expecially while other applications do operations on the files in the mean time
[12:07] <TheSheep> !translate
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about translate - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <TheSheep> !rosetta
[12:07] <ubotu> rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language.  See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about
[12:07] <cynomyS> nice!
[12:08] <cynomyS> I was talking about translating it myself
[12:09] <cynomyS> rosetta translates it like babelfish huh?
[12:10] <TheSheep> cynomyS: no, you can use rosetta to translate applications manually and the translations are included then in ubuntu
[12:11] <cynomyS> ok
[12:15] <TheSheep> !translations
[12:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about translations - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:16] <cynomyS> sheep, you familiar with irssi?
[12:16] <cynomyS> I've forgotten how to switch windows (acts)
[12:18] <cynomyS> thought it was ALT+number
[12:18] <darrend> anyone know why I keep getting "Error opening/initialising video_out (-vo) device" in MPlayer?
[12:19] <cynomyS> got that error too darrend, think it has to do with the cache size
[12:19] <cynomyS> still unsolved here though
[12:19] <darrend> cache size where - in mplayer config?
[12:19] <cynomyS> no idea
[12:19] <cynomyS> you know about vlc though, right?
[12:21] <cynomyS> irssi switching got solved: it's ALT, or the ESC followed by number
[12:25] <TheSheep> cynomyS: disable the alt+number shortcuts in your terminal config
[12:26] <TheSheep> cynomyS: they are annoying
[12:30] <cynomyS> I believe they -are- disabled, as I cannot use them
[12:33] <TheSheep> cynomyS: no, they are enabled, that's why you canot use them
[12:33] <TheSheep> cynomyS: by default they are bound to switching between tabs
[12:34] <cynomyS> ok, so how do I disable the shortcuts?
[12:35] <TheSheep> edit->preferences->shortcuts
[12:36] <cynomyS> I mainly do not use the standard terminal in xfce, only xterm or aterm
[12:37] <cynomyS> I do not know how to configure them as I can with the main terminal (point-and-clicky)
[12:40] <TheSheep> cynomyS: well, they all come with a manual, have a read
[12:42] <cynomyS> will do
[12:44] <thyko> yeah; soo .. why the mouse in the xubuntu logo?
[12:48] <cynomyS> small, fast and maybe efficient?
[12:48] <cynomyS> :)
[01:10] <hyper_ch> thyko: well, you have to ask why the mouse is the Xfce logl ;) the answer is, because it's cute (at least that's my explanation)
[01:33] <christian> hi
[01:33] <christian> My printer stopped working since I dist-upgraded to 7.10 (Brother HL-2030)
[01:34] <christian> Is there a way to downgrade only cups (and dependencies)?
[02:20] <Tron04> hello, xubuntu automatically mounts my ntfs partitions readonly and shows them on the desktop. I looked for the mounts in /etc/fstab, but could not find them. Where can I disable this ntfs mounting of the partitions?
[02:29] <TheSheep> Tron04: I think you can add them to fstab with 'noauto' option
[02:38] <Tron04> ok, will try this, but what makes them being mounted. kubuntu does not mount them automagically...
[02:39] <TheSheep> hmm... maybe check thunar->edit->preferences->advanced->volume manager
[02:39] <Tron04> ok cuurently rebooting
[02:40] <Tron04> whats also strange is that I had to do a apt-get dist-upgrade to get the current kernel
[02:40] <TheSheep> gutsy?
[02:40] <Tron04> I think this only necessary when to upgrade to the gutsy gibbon etc. release
[02:40] <Tron04> I have feisty running
[02:40] <Tron04> want to upgrade the kernel with apt-get upgrade
[02:41] <Tron04> but then got the message that the kernel is being held back
[02:41] <TheSheep> I think kernel is not upgraded automatically except for security upgrades
[02:41] <Tron04> apt-get dist-upgrade then worked
[02:41] <Tron04> ok mabe..
[02:41] <Tron04> maybe
[02:41] <TheSheep> ah, held back means there was something you installed that depended on the old kernel
[02:41] <TheSheep> dist-upgrade uninstalls such packages
[02:42] <Tron04> the installation is pretty basic with only mc and the resticted nvidia driver (maybe it was this driver)
[02:43] <thyko> hyper_ch: heh
[02:44] <thyko> whats the best mp3 player for xubuntu?
[02:44] <Tron04> hmm. not easy question.
[02:44] <Tron04> ...
[02:44] <Tron04> try exaile or audacious
[02:44] <Tron04> audacious is the "modern" xmms
[02:45] <Tron04> but exaile is pretty cool as it tries to imitate amaroK
[02:45] <TheSheep> mpd :)
[02:58] <hyper_ch> is there a gui for displaying the printing queue?
[03:06] <thyko> thanks yall
[03:12] <homebrewcider> I'm trying to add a terminal launcher to the task bar, what would the "command" be please
[03:13] <TheSheep> xfce4-terminal
[03:14] <homebrewcider> got it just as you responded, thanx anyway
[03:15] <homebrewcider> I found /usr/bin/terminal which seems to do it
[03:34] <eva[i] > hello, my brother's PC is a celeron 900Mhz w/ 128MB... obviously it runs really slow with XP... Should I go with Xubuntu or Ubuntu with this spec? More to the point, how is XFCE different from gnome? what functionality is missing and/or different?
[03:39] <TheSheep> eva[i] : there are less gui-based settings and system configuration editors, so you sometimes have to edit text files, the file manager is simplier and faster, but doesn't support network shares, so you have to do that with fuse, the applications installed by default are much lighter (abiword instead of openoffice, etc.)
[03:40] <TheSheep> eva[i] : there are lots of small differences, anything in particular you're interested in?
[03:41] <TheSheep> eva[i] : you can still install all the applications from ubuntu/kubuntu if you want them, of course
[03:44] <eva[i] > Synaptic, openoffice, samba shares, CUPS....
[03:46] <eva[i] > these would be nice... what is the file manager called, so I can test it out here on my own ubuntu?
[05:13] <dinoandre> hi
[05:13] <dinoandre> i have a little problem with sound
[05:14] <dinoandre> is it a driver for creative platinium 5.1 soundcard
[05:27] <Pumpernickel> Seems to be, as per http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs
[05:38] <dinoandre> du bist deutsch oder?
[05:38] <TheSheep> !de
[05:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:39] <dinoandre> !de
[05:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:40] <dinoandre> yes thats the right site but how can i download the driver
[05:50] <TheSheep> dinoandre: what driver?
[05:51] <dinoandre> creative platinium 5.1
[05:52] <TheSheep> dinoandre: creative makes graphics cards???
[06:02] <Pumpernickel> dinoandre: You don't - it's included in Ubuntu.
[06:07] <Rabbitbunny> does xubuntu support 640*480 display?
[06:07] <Pumpernickel> Yes.
[06:08] <Rabbitbunny> Awesome.
[06:08] <TheSheep> actually some dialogues don't fit
[06:08] <TheSheep> like the settings manager
[06:08] <Rabbitbunny> Can it run a vnc server so that it doesn't matter?
[06:09] <Pumpernickel> It can.
[06:09] <Rabbitbunny> Awesome.
[06:19] <dinoandre> i dont get sound
[06:22] <Pumpernickel> Open alsamixer, and check that none of the channels are muted.
[06:23] <dinoandre> how i can open alsa mixer
[06:23] <dinoandre> ??
[06:23] <Pumpernickel> Open a terminal, type alsamixer into the terminal, and then hit enter.
[06:40] <joshritger> can anyone please help me with install problems with 7.04
[06:45] <TheSheep> !ask
[06:45] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:47] <hajhouse> is there any configuration needed to turn on UTF-8 support in xfce4-terminal? on one of my machines it just works, on the other utf-8 does not work (the terminal treats multi-byte chars as multiple chars). i can't find any reference in the docs to how to turn utf-8 encoding on.
[06:48] <TheSheep> hajhouse: type 'locales' in the terminal
[06:49] <TheSheep> hajhouse: 'locale', sorry
[06:50] <hajhouse> TheSheep: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-" LC_ALL= (unset)
[06:50] <TheSheep> hajhouse: try export LC_ALL='en_US.UTF-8'
[06:51] <hajhouse> TheSheep: the behavior is unchanged. in fact, LANG and LC_* are the same on both machines, the one that works and the one that doesn't
[06:53] <TheSheep> that's weird
[06:53] <TheSheep> hajhouse: how do you test them?
[06:54] <joshritger> can anyone tell me why the xubuntu installer will not write partition information with 7.04
[06:54] <hajhouse> TheSheep: well, uxterm, mutt, and vim all work as expected under the UTF-8 locale
[06:54] <joshritger> I can't get 7.04 to install with guided partitioning of a whole drive
[07:04] <Pumpernickel> bug 107259
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107259 in ubiquity "Xubuntu partitioning can fail because ubiquity does not prevent thunar from automounting new partitions" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107259
[07:05] <whiter> any instructions to install XGL on xubuntu
[07:10] <hajhouse> whiter: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-swx11 for software rendering; for hardware accel other packages and possibly X tweaking are required
[07:56] <vidd_laptop> !jabber
[07:56] <ubotu> jabber is a free and open source instant messaging protocol, unlike MSN and AIM. Supporting clients on Linux: Kopete (KDE), Gaim (GNOME). For more info see http://www.jabber.org
[07:56] <TheSheep> vidd_laptop: gajim is nice
[07:59] <vidd_laptop> TheSheep, there is a rogue app that wont uninstall on my server
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> wanted to know what it was and who i needed to shoot
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[08:00] <vidd_laptop> what is the command to re-install a program via apt?
[08:06] <Jester45> i installed and removed some files before uninstalling
[08:06] <Jester45> now dpkg errors when i try to do anything with it
[08:07] <Jester45> install remove reinstall
[08:07] <vidd_laptop> i got it
[08:07] <vidd_laptop> =] 
[08:08] <vidd_laptop> i rebuilt the missing files/directories
[08:08] <vidd_laptop> wernt nothing in them...but i rebuilt them
[08:08] <vidd_laptop> now it is gone
[08:09] <Jester45> i just wish that apt was smarter and removed all configs when you ran it with --purge
[08:10] <Jester45> lie the ~/ fiels
[08:18] <rswolff> anyone here
[08:18] <rswolff> ?
[08:19] <TheSheep> rswolff: no, unfortunately we are not here
[08:19] <rswolff> nice
[08:19] <TheSheep> eh?
[08:20] <rswolff> I am new to xubuntu, and I can't seem to find my .bash_profile.... can you help me out?
[08:20] <TheSheep> rswolff: enable displaying of hidden files in Thunar
[08:20] <TheSheep> rswolff: view->show hidden files
[08:20] <rswolff> what is the file path to .bash_profile?
[08:21] <rswolff> I'm not seeing it at ~
[08:21] <TheSheep> ~/.bash_profile
[08:21] <TheSheep> rswolff: it's possible you don;t have it, in that case just create it
[08:22] <rswolff> I'm trying to alter my PATH variable.... when i echo $PATH, i can see the variable, but I can't find the file to make the edit permanent...
[08:23] <rswolff> do you have any idea where my $PATH variable is stored?
[08:25] <TheSheep> rswolff: it's stored in memory
[08:25] <TheSheep> rswolff: in so-called 'environment' of every process
[08:25] <rswolff> so I can simply create .bash_profile, and paste in the value of $PATH that currently exists in memory, and that should do it?
[08:26] <TheSheep> rswolff: no, I think you'd want soemthing like 'export PATH=some-additional-directory:$PATH
[08:26] <TheSheep> '
[08:27] <rswolff> when I do that, my changes aren't persisted when I close the terminal
[08:28] <TheSheep> rswolff: that's because the .bash_profile file wasn't executed and didn't set the new PATH value yet
[08:28] <TheSheep> rswolff: it should get executed on login
[08:28] <rswolff> so I should create .bash_profile manually?
[08:28] <TheSheep> yes, and put that command I told you in there
[08:28] <rswolff> ahhh, ok... thanks!
[08:29] <TheSheep> alternatively, if you want the changes to be global for all the users, you can edit /etc/environment
[08:29] <TheSheep> rswolff: don't forget to put '#!/bin/bash' at the top of .bash_profile, it tells your computer to run that file with bash
[08:30] <rswolff> right
[08:30] <rswolff> thanks
[08:30] <rswolff> do I have to mark the file executable
[08:30] <rswolff> ?
[08:30] <TheSheep> rswolff: no, but it won't hurt
[08:30] <rswolff> sweet, thanks
[08:31] <Rabbitbunny> Uh... xubuntu boots to a vga mode my monitor doesn't support. How do I enable vga mode?
[08:32] <TheSheep> Rabbitbunny: switch to text mode with alt+ctrl+f1, log in, then run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and set everything the way you want
[08:33] <Rabbitbunny> What?
[08:33] <Rabbitbunny> What would I type to login in live cd?
[08:34] <Rabbitbunny> hmm. it's not 'login or 'root'.
[08:35] <TheSheep> it's 'ubuntu'
[08:35] <TheSheep> Rabbitbunny: if it's livecd, then maybe you should just select the second boot option?
[08:35] <TheSheep> Rabbitbunny: the one about 'safe graphics mode'?
[08:35] <Rabbitbunny> oh. ty.
[08:35] <Rabbitbunny> Nah, that one laughed at me too.
[08:36] <Rabbitbunny> text mode is prettier anyway.
[08:39] <Rabbitbunny> the wiki doesn't seem to actually have any simple questions or anything, just directions to come here or the the forums btw
[08:40] <Jester45> its a wiki if you would like to add on feel free to do so
[08:41] <Rabbitbunny> ...what would I add? how to burn the iso?
[08:41] <Jester45> well
[08:42] <Jester45> what ever you said was missing
[08:42] <Rabbitbunny> 'where's the start button' 'how to boot in 640*480' 'where is the taskbar'
[08:43] <Rabbitbunny> 'how to change display resolution once booted'
[08:44] <Jester45> sounds good
[08:44] <Rabbitbunny> (huge button) 'windows users click here'
[08:45] <eggwarmer> Has anybody seen this error before: files list file for package `os-prober' is missing final newline
[08:45] <eggwarmer> I Just did a Xubuntu install and now I can't install or upgrade anything else.
[08:46] <Jester45> humm
[08:46] <Jester45> i havent
[08:46] <Jester45> Rabbitbunny, a picture with a few arrows pointing to what is what
[08:46] <Jester45> Rabbitbunny, i was thinking about making a wallpapper that did that
[08:46] <Rabbitbunny> Yes.
[08:47] <Rabbitbunny> I've got seven icons and no bars of any type. right clicking brings up a huge window. something is wrong.
[08:48] <vidd_laptop> eggwarmer, is the cd in the drive?
[08:49] <eggwarmer> No it is not
[08:50] <vidd_laptop> put it in..... or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out [add # to the front of]  the line referencing the cd] 
[08:51] <eggwarmer> I'll try that
[08:51] <Jester45> i wonder why they have that as defualt
[08:52] <Jester45> most people dont use it
[08:52] <vidd_laptop> because if it was not there, then apt would not work during install
[08:52] <vidd_laptop> we need to add a script to the end of the install to comment out the line
[08:55] <Rabbitbunny> Okay, I got to the part where I need to tell it what video modes are used. Three are check, I can only use 1. How do I unchack?
[08:55] <Rabbitbunny> *checked *uncheck
[08:56] <eggwarmer> Well the line for the CD is not in the file, so there is nothing to comment out.
[08:58] <vidd_laptop> eggwarmer, can you paste your sources.list file @ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org?
[08:58] <eggwarmer> I kicked myself in the butt when you mentioned this, because I've run into something like this before, but this time it's not it.
[08:59] <eggwarmer> OK
[09:02] <vidd_laptop> post the link so i can look @ it....
[09:05] <eggwarmer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33496/
[09:06] <vidd_laptop> eggwarmer, how did you install....netinstaller? (mini.iso)
[09:07] <eggwarmer> CD ISO
[09:07] <vidd_laptop> which of the 3?
[09:07] <eggwarmer> There should be a line in there for a CD, BUT?
[09:07] <vidd_laptop> there are 3 different cd's... live, alt, and mini....which did you use?
[09:08] <eggwarmer> xubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[09:08] <vidd_laptop> figures... the live cd strikes again!
[09:08] <eggwarmer> I installed this on an old IBM 390X laptop.
[09:09] <vidd_laptop> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:09] <vidd_laptop> tell me what ya get
[09:09] <retour> Hi all! How to get full screen video on my TV - like CLONE option under Windows NVIDIA settings?
[09:10] <vidd_laptop> retour, laptop or desktop?
[09:12] <retour> desktop
[09:14] <vidd_laptop> hrm...then i dont know
[09:14] <retour> I've played with all settings in NVidia settings app like separate X with and without Xinerama but no go. I have extra desktop on TV but even if I drag my Mplayer window there etc I see it as a window . When I click fullscreen it dissaperas from TV and pops fullscreen on my monitor
[09:14] <vidd_laptop> you have an [FN]  key on your keyboard?
[09:15] <retour> ??? whats that?
[09:15] <vidd_laptop> ok...so that's a NO
[09:15] <retour> Its not notebook etc
[09:15] <eggwarmer> vidd_laptop: It's downloading a new kernel, this will take a while.
[09:15] <vidd_laptop> that does not mean that your keyboard does not have a [FN]  key
[09:15] <vidd_laptop> eggwarmer, then your issue is solved
[09:16] <eggwarmer> I was able to download apps before, the blowup was in the installation, so I'm going to wait and see before I say it's fixed.
[09:16] <vidd_laptop> retour, you will have to consult the documentation for your card on nvidia's site...and most likely use the proprietary driver
[09:17] <retour> I think I already use the proprietary one thanks to ENVY
[09:17] <eggwarmer> vidd_laptop: NOPE same problem nothing will install.
[09:17] <vidd_laptop> what app is failing?
[09:18] <eggwarmer> No, I get this: files list file for package `os-prober' is missing final newline
[09:18] <vidd_laptop> so grub is failing
[09:19] <vidd_laptop> or "os-prober" is failing
[09:19] <vidd_laptop> try sudo apt-get remove --purge os-prober
[09:20] <eggwarmer> It fails when it tries to install python2.5_2.5.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:21] <eggwarmer> Wait let me to an apt-get clean
[09:34] <eggwarmer01> I lost my net connection for a bit.
[09:40] <eggwarmer> vidd_laptop: I did an apt-get clean then tried to install just a single package, but I still get the same error.
[09:44] <vidd_laptop> i dont know what to tell you
[09:47] <eggwarmer> vidd_laptop: Thanks anyway. I just tried to do the remove of os-prober, but it won't even let me remove that package.
[09:56] <eggwarmer> Hey I just found this: dpkg -L os-prober gets the same error.
[09:56] <eggwarmer> What is a "files list file" and where is it?
[09:59] <vidd_laptop> no idea
[10:01] <eggwarmer> Do you know what file resources dpkg uses to list the files that are in a package?
[10:03] <vidd_laptop> nope
[10:03] <vidd_laptop> i get weird stuff like this, i back-up data and re-install
[10:04] <eggwarmer> Well I pretty sure that is where the problem is.
[10:04] <vidd_laptop> why not download the .deb for the app and install it with dpkg?
[10:06] <eggwarmer> Yup, and if that works I'd have to do it for everything I install figuring out all the dependencies myself.
[10:07] <eggwarmer> Besides this is failling somewhere in dpkg, so I doubt it would work anyway.
[10:08] <vidd_laptop> it apears to be that the file you are getting via apt is not the complete file
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> so if you dl the .deb directly, then the file should install fully, and fix your issue
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> it is at least worth the effort
[10:09] <vidd_laptop> its better then a re-install
[10:11] <vidd_laptop> eggwarmer, you on a i386 or amd64?
[10:12] <eggwarmer> i386
[10:12] <vidd_laptop> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fo%2Fos-prober%2Fos-prober_1.21_i386.deb&md5sum=59ef16d4c658c7639e4fd588f01b2aa3&arch=i386&type=main
[10:13] <eggwarmer> I'm using two computers right now, but the i386 has the issues.
[10:13] <vidd_laptop> so dl the file and xfer it to the problem machine
[10:13] <vidd_laptop> then run it
[10:14] <vidd_laptop> sudo dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[10:15] <vidd_laptop> then sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:15] <vidd_laptop> why you using this os-prober thing anyway?
[10:17] <vidd_laptop> you having issues with grub detecting your dual-boot?
[10:19] <eggwarmer> I'm not using it, I'm installing something completely different. It is dpkg that is using it a then dieing.
[10:20] <eggwarmer> ...and then...
[10:20] <eggwarmer> I tried it anyway, but the same error.
[10:21] <vidd_laptop> is this a fresh install?
[10:22] <eggwarmer> Yup, there was an error during the install, but everything seemed to work fine until I found I couldn't install or update anything.
[10:22] <eggwarmer> I think I'll just reinstall.
[10:23] <vidd_laptop> do an alt-cd install or the mini.iso install....less likely to fail
[10:24] <eggwarmer> One last thing I'd like to try, is there a way to rebuild the binary files used with dpkg?
[10:25] <vidd_laptop> idk
[10:26] <eggwarmer> I'm betting as I said before that the resource files used with dpkg are corrupted. I'm going to research this before a reinstall.
[10:32] <eggwarmer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-January/104520.html
[10:42] <eggwarmer> I did what was described on that page and it worked, but now I seem to have another package that is corrupted.
[10:44] <Chriswaterguy> Hi folks... just downloaded the Xubuntu ISO (very exciting). Do I need to do checksum?
[10:44] <Chriswaterguy> I've downloaded on a friend's Mac OS X...
[10:44] <SrRaven> cant hurt
[10:44] <SrRaven> there is no absolute need,just good for verifying you got it right
[10:44] <Chriswaterguy> it's given me a CRC32 number...
[10:45] <SrRaven> you run windows?
[10:45] <Chriswaterguy> well, windows now... but the ISO is on the Mac, because that has a working CD-RW.
[10:45] <SrRaven> than you should get a checksum checking programm for the mac
[10:45] <SrRaven> dont know of any though,google ?!
[10:46] <Chriswaterguy> can't find what the CRC32 is supposed to be...
[10:46] <SrRaven> a checksum code
[10:46] <Chriswaterguy> mmm, it's 4:45 am, don't want to wake my friend for permission to install a program :)
[10:46] <Chriswaterguy> I'll just burn the CD.
[10:46] <SrRaven> you checksum the iso,and compare it with the crc32 code if its identical,you got a working iso
[10:46] <rici> the distro page has the md5sum
[10:47] <rici> the mac has an md5sum command line tool
[10:47] <rici> probably
[10:47] <Chriswaterguy> don't know macs much...
[10:47] <rici> just like unix
[10:48] <Chriswaterguy> if anyone knows what the CRC32 code is *supposed* to be that would be great...
[10:48] <rici> i guess it's called md5 on the mac, since it's a freebsd derivation
[10:48] <Chriswaterguy> yeah, the proper md5sum I can see...
[10:48] <rici> md5 <name of file> in a command shell (Terminal)
[10:48] <Chriswaterguy> ok... command line on mac...? (looking...)
[10:49] <rici> applications/Terminal
[10:49] <rici> it's icon looks like a command shell
[10:50] <Chriswaterguy> can't see it
[10:50] <Chriswaterguy> you mean in the row of icons at the bottom, right?
[10:50] <Chriswaterguy> not there
[10:50] <rici> that doesn't mean it's not there
[10:50] <Chriswaterguy> checked the name of each in that row...
[10:51] <rici> click on the finder (first icon, mac icon)
[10:51] <Chriswaterguy> yep
[10:51] <rici> that should give you a finder window
[10:51] <rici> left hand bar, applications
[10:51] <Chriswaterguy> yes
[10:51] <rici> utilities
[10:51] <rici> Terminal
[10:52] <Chriswaterguy> ah... not there (!!!)
[10:52] <rici> what? Terminal is not in Utilities? or Utilities is not in Applications?
[10:52] <Chriswaterguy> sorry... missed the utilities part
[10:52] <Chriswaterguy> it's there
[10:53] <Chriswaterguy> okay... ISO file is on desktop
[10:54] <Chriswaterguy> do I change directories, or type a command here?
[10:55] <rici> you can change directories
[10:56] <rici> tab completion works
[10:56] <rici> the Desktop is called Desktop
[10:56] <rici> or you can just type the command in the terminal window, specifiying the right directory for the file
[10:56] <rici> :)
[10:58] <vidd_laptop> wow...just like linux =] 
[10:58] <Chriswaterguy> manually type filename?
[10:59] <Chriswaterguy> md5 xubuntu...?
[10:59] <vidd_laptop> Chriswaterguy, tab completion works....type a few letters, and hit tab
[10:59] <Chriswaterguy> doesn't seem to
[10:59] <Chriswaterguy> ok manual
[11:00] <Chriswaterguy> it's thinking...
[11:01] <Chriswaterguy> thanks for the help. makes me feel even better about going for Xubuntu
[11:02] <Chriswaterguy> I've been traveling and using net cafes for almost 3 months... finally decided I need a laptop, so bought one today (well, yesterday, except I'm still awake)
[11:03] <Chriswaterguy> checksum matches - thanks!
[11:03] <Chriswaterguy> now to burn
[11:04] <hyper_ch> hiho
[11:06] <Chriswaterguy> ok... I'll no doubt check in again once I've had a sleep and am installing. Bye and thanks again!
[11:11] <eggwarmer> vidd_laptop: It worked, I had to rebuild about 5 packages as outlined n the link I sent you and have now installed ssh-server and emacs21 with no further issues.
[11:13] <vidd_laptop> awesome
[11:15] <eggwarmer> One to keep in mind, "The howto rebuild dpkg list file packages". LOL
[11:20] <mikubuntu> hello guys, and heeeeelllllllpppp :)  trying to install x on hp pav 6635, with cd drive, 10gig hard, 64ram.  keep getting stuck.
[11:21] <vidd_laptop> how so?
[11:22] <mikubuntu> a couple of times i had to just turn the machine off cuz it froze up, and then when i went back to try to install wouldn't let me past language selection, time selection, said error(s)
[11:23] <vidd_laptop> live or alt cd?
[11:23] <mikubuntu> live
[11:24] <mikubuntu> then got this error that said gdm not config correct also
[11:24] <mikubuntu> but i had gotten past all this part on first attempt b4 it froze
[11:25] <mikubuntu> so i don't know why... and i so sad ... lol
[11:26] <mikubuntu> why, or under what conditions do you choose the alt cd?  is it avail on same site for download?  where do i proceed?
[11:29] <vidd_laptop> it is available on the same site as the live cd
[11:30] <mikubuntu> vidd_laptop: what is the benefit of the alt?
[11:31] <vidd_laptop> it is stable...has been for years
[11:31] <mikubuntu> does it present less errors?
[11:31] <vidd_laptop> yes
[11:31] <vidd_laptop> been stable since BEFORE ubuntu
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> the live cd has only been around since breezy
[11:32] <mikubuntu> i don't get it.  it IS Ubuntu, right?
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> well....yes.....
[11:32] <mikubuntu> so is the alt not an up to date version?
[11:32] <vidd_laptop> but the installer is the same installer that debian has been using for years
[11:33] <vidd_laptop> of course it is
[11:33] <mikubuntu> hate to sound SO stupid, but gotta ax what i don't know
[11:33] <vidd_laptop> im talking aboutthe INSTALLER...not the INSTALLED apps
[11:33] <mikubuntu> so you mean it doesn't come with apps installed?
[11:34] <mikubuntu> you have to choose all your own?
[11:34] <vidd_laptop> the program that puts the stuff on the disk for you
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> the live cd using a graphic installer that sucks and fails all the time, the alt has a semi-command-line installer that works like a true champ
[11:35] <vidd_laptop> they both put the same apps on your system....they just do it differently
[11:36] <mikubuntu> is it possible that i screwed up my partition by aborting the process with power off?
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> no
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> well...possibly....but gparted would fix that
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> now...i have to go home
[11:36] <vidd_laptop> my shift is over
[11:36] <mikubuntu> ok.  you say it's semi command ... arrrggggghhhhh.... thanks vidd
[11:37] <mikubuntu> anyone else?  is the semi command way of the alt cd easy enough for a noob to do?
[11:40] <mikubuntu> the extent of my command line experience is 'sudo apt-get upgrade' which i just started using last week on this laptop i'm on
[11:40] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: alternate is text based with options... just not as fancy graphics... the "hardest" part is the partitioning... however if you can read, you should have no big problem
[11:41] <hsdyhfg> hello everyone, i just installed xUbuntu on my laptop but don't know how to change the connection settings
[11:41] <mikubuntu> hyper_ch: where will i read from, the screen?  or is there some tutorial i will need to have side by side for the process?
[11:42] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: on screen
[11:42] <mikubuntu> and i don't need to 'partition' exactly, will do a whole disk install over old win98 system, nothing on it i want to save
[11:43] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: sure you want to have a swap partition and also a home partition
[11:44] <hsdyhfg> anyone?
[11:44] <hsdyhfg> connection settings?
[11:44] <mikubuntu> ooohhhhh. ok, at any rate i guess i gotta go to my friend's and burn an alt.  then i'll be back to bother you later.
[11:44] <hyper_ch> hsdyhfg: applications --> system --> network
[11:45] <hyper_ch> mikubuntu: how big is your harddisk and how much ram have you got?
[11:45] <mikubuntu> 10.2 hd, 64ram
[11:45] <hsdyhfg> i cant see no applications ... only a picture of a mouse
[11:45] <hsdyhfg> oh wait
[11:45] <hsdyhfg> no
[11:45] <hsdyhfg> there is an applications but its only got xpdf in ?!
[11:48] <hsdyhfg> the xfce settings manager doesnt have connection settings
[11:48] <hsdyhfg> erm
[11:48] <hsdyhfg> im stuck
[11:49] <rici> hsdyhfg: System  | Networking
[11:50] <whiter> is there a guide for setting up xgl with xubuntu?
[11:50] <rici> oops, hyper_ch already said that.
[11:52] <whiter> guess not
[11:52] <hsdyhfg> okay ... i just clicked to add "netload" to the panel and it says "(no ip address)"
[11:52] <hsdyhfg> when i click on it
[11:53] <hsdyhfg> under network devices, it has nothing
[11:53] <hsdyhfg> just an empty box :S
[11:54] <hsdyhfg> so im assuming that for some reason my network card in my laptop hasn't been recognised or summin
[11:55] <rici> hsdyhfg: that's possible.
[11:57] <hsdyhfg> i havent a clue.
[11:59] <hsdyhfg> im gonna put it on me xbox eventually
[11:59] <rici> hsdyhfg: you should be able to see startup logging in /var/log/messages, or by using dmesg
[12:00] <hsdyhfg> oh
[12:00] <hsdyhfg> that did something
[12:02] <hsdyhfg> isapnp: scanning for PnP cards...
[12:02] <hsdyhfg> isapnp: No plug and play device found
[12:02] <hsdyhfg> ... could it be because of that?
[12:02] <rici> what sort of card is it?
[12:03] <hsdyhfg> i dont know
[12:03] <hsdyhfg> its built into the laptop
[12:03] <rici> ah
[12:04] <rici> try: sudo lshw
[12:04] <hsdyhfg> k
[12:05] <hsdyhfg> sudo: unable to lookup user.linux.local via gethostbyname
[12:06] <rici> that sounds like you had some installation issues
[12:07] <hsdyhfg> may have done
[12:07] <hsdyhfg> not noticable ones
[12:07] <hsdyhfg> but it is a possibility
[12:08] <FFIXXX> hi how do i re-enable they update manager tray icon?
[12:13] <hsdyhfg> im gonna reinstall
[12:13] <hsdyhfg> cheers anyway
[12:14] <FFIXXX> no one?
[12:15] <Jester45> how did you disable it
[12:15] <FFIXXX> dont know?
[12:15] <Jester45> and i think xubuntu doesnt have it it only works on the gnome panel
[12:15] <Jester45> i think
[12:15] <FFIXXX> oh
[12:15] <Jester45> i just use cron so i dont know
[12:16] <FFIXXX> i havent come across an app which only has an icon only in gnome
[12:16] <Jester45> well
[12:17] <Jester45> the update manager is from gnome
[12:17] <Jester45> i could be wrong as i said i never use it
[12:17] <Jester45> hi vidd_laptop
[12:17] <Jester45> you at work still?
[12:17] <vidd_laptop> nope home now
[12:18] <Jester45> i think i broke the server :)
[12:18] <vidd_laptop> hrm....i JUST got home
[12:19] <Jester45> thats why i asked
[12:19] <Jester45> figured it was about time for you to leave and you where gone for a bit
[12:22] <FFIXXX> Jester45: okay....
[12:23] <Jester45> vidd_laptop, do you know why the update manager doesnt have the notifer
[12:23] <vidd_laptop> the update manager is still installed?
[12:24] <Jester45> the FFI guy was asking
[12:24] <Jester45> i said i think it only works on gnome's panel