| innovati | so, does anybody here recall what the default windeco and widget style are for kubuntu or will be default in the upcoming releasE? | 12:22 |
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| mhb | innovati: they will be the same as in Feisty | 12:26 |
| mhb | innovati: most likely | 12:26 |
| mhb | innovati: that means Crystal windeco and Polyester widget style | 12:27 |
| innovati | mhb: hmm, I think I left the default settings ~10 minutes after installing it haha, thanks | 12:27 |
| innovati | oh yes, I recall polyester, it's a nice style isn't it | 12:27 |
| mhb | it's not that bad | 12:28 |
| innovati | haha so shiny all of a sudden haha | 12:28 |
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| MaximLevitsky | Hi | 01:19 |
| kubuntu | i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that? | 01:20 |
| MaximLevitsky | Two days before I told here that I found some bugs in kdesu, and that kdesudo is far from perfect. I need to know which one kubuntu will use,so I can fix it | 01:21 |
| kubuntu | how about kdesu | 01:22 |
| MaximLevitsky | I mean will kdesu be replaced with kdesudo? | 01:22 |
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| kubuntu | dont know | 01:23 |
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| mhb | MaximLevitsky: that's a good question, but most of the people here are asleep. I would recommend using the kubuntu-devel mailing list. | 01:23 |
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| kubuntu | i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that? | 01:23 |
| mhb | kubuntu: nope :o) you should try the #kubuntu channel, we're not exactly support here, sorry. | 01:23 |
| kubuntu | ok thanks mhb | 01:24 |
| MaximLevitsky | mhb, sure i will ask, thanks | 01:24 |
| MaximLevitsky | i/I | 01:24 |
| mhb | MaximLevitsky: my bet is on "kdesu" staying the default, but ask there to make sure | 01:24 |
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| MaximLevitsky | mhb, thanks a lot, and btw I agree with you, I also find it better that kdesudo | 01:26 |
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| pgquiles | nixternal: ping | 02:13 |
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| Hobbsee | manchicken__: pong | 07:07 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 07:09 |
| Hobbsee | heya nixternal! | 07:09 |
| n8k99 | heya nixternal and Hobbsee! | 07:10 |
| === n8k99 just saying hey | ||
| Hobbsee | mhb: compiz is by default for machines that support it | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: if they dont, it drops back to metacity | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | hiya n8k99! | 07:10 |
| nixternal | hola | 07:11 |
| Hobbsee | fabo: seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132096 ? | 07:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 132096 in kvpnc "Upgrade disables vpn client kvpnc" [Undecided,New] | 07:12 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: ah, thanks for enlightening me | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | (as we keep finding major bugs each tribe) | 07:13 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu/index/C/index.html | 07:14 |
| nixternal | how does that index look? all of the 'How do I...' stuff will be links to the answers | 07:14 |
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| fabo | Hobbsee: on previous kvpnc, pkcs11-tool wasn't supported, opensc was added on 0.8.9 | 07:53 |
| fabo | Hobbsee: as kvpnc can support multiple vpnc type of connection, every "helper" is a suggests | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | fabo: ah right | 07:53 |
| fabo | don't need to explain the rationale :) | 07:54 |
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| Riddell | anyone want to package the new amarok? | 10:35 |
| siretart | anying using xine based applications with the smb:// url? | 10:55 |
| Riddell | wouldn't have thought xine could work with smb:// | 10:57 |
| Riddell | I'm pretty sure amarok doesn't do a great job of it, apachelogger_ may know | 10:58 |
| apachelogger_ | xine doesn't support kio slaves | 10:59 |
| apachelogger_ | siretart: though I have been told for years that it's being worked on, I never saw anything working... ;-) | 11:00 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: btw, the amarok package should get a debug package, debian added it in 1.4.6 | 11:00 |
| Riddell | all our packages have debug packages | 11:01 |
| Riddell | (you just have to know where to get them) | 11:01 |
| apachelogger_ | lol | 11:01 |
| apachelogger_ | do they get hidden? | 11:01 |
| Riddell | they're on an obscure archive somewhere | 11:07 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 11:07 |
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| Riddell | jdong: did ktorrent get a fix? | 11:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-September/000195.html | 11:07 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: thx | 11:07 |
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| apachelogger_ | Riddell: that does ship debug symbols for everything, just not backports :| | 11:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: yes, why the long face? | 11:07 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: how is one supposed to take a proper backtrace from a backports package? | 11:07 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: in theory it should just work | 11:09 |
| Riddell | oh, it /doesn't/ have backports, I misread you | 11:09 |
| apachelogger_ | :P | 11:10 |
| Riddell | dunno, pitti would know why it wasn't included | 11:10 |
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| Tm_T | hi manchicken_ | 11:16 |
| ijuz__ | NetworkManager is the suck, all my laptop says is "NetworkManager: <info> Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access type not supported" | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: compile is progressing rather well.. have a few packages that cause probs | 11:24 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: what causes problems? | 11:28 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: libxml-parser-perl and libxml-encoding-perl depend on eachother to build, subversion is missing gcj build-dependency, rpm depends on libdb4.4 but libdb4.5 is required by some other packages, so they need to be swapped | 11:29 |
| _StefanS_ | libneon25-dev changed to libneon26-dev in rpm debian/rules as well. | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | but nothing yet for i386 vs. lpia | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: here's the list of the stuff currently rebuilt: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33551/ | 11:31 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: which of those are blocked by the above issues? | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: These are: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33552/ | 11:32 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: ok, please e-mail the list of good kde modules and dependencies that still need to be built to infinity | 11:33 |
| Riddell | and cc me and doko | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | righto. | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | quite a list ;) | 11:33 |
| Riddell | you can also add the list of issues you have above at the end | 11:33 |
| Riddell | yep, great stuff :) | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm I expect the whole list you mailed me to be rebuilt later today, so I'll mail the list once I'm done. And ofcourse include any issues with it | 11:35 |
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| _StefanS_ | ok? | 11:35 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: it would be really cool to have some of these backgrounds included within kubuntu .. : http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/gallery/ specifically the "vplants" collection | 11:37 |
| _StefanS_ | they're downright amazing. | 11:37 |
| Riddell | we already have a background for gutsy | 11:38 |
| Riddell | of course he can submit the artwork to the kde oxygen background competition | 11:38 |
| _StefanS_ | well I dont know the guy, I just sorta stumbled upon the backgrounds | 11:45 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 11:45 |
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| fabo | Riddell: builds fine under feisty confirmation -> strigi_0.5.5-2build1 + kde4libs_3.92.0-0ubuntu3 | 11:58 |
| Riddell | fabo: do I need to make kde4libs build-dep on that strigi version? | 12:01 |
| fabo | Riddell: it is recommended. kde4libs_3.92.0-0ubuntu3 build only with strigi_0.5.5-2build1 | 12:03 |
| Riddell | ok | 12:04 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | anyone want to help port kde/qt to lpia - Low Power on Intel Architecture? | Tribe 4 Released | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 9 16:04:17 2007 | ||
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| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | amarok 1.4.7 packager needed | FF, UVF Thursday, anything we need updated? | ||
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| doc_ | hi there :) | 12:53 |
| Riddell | hi doc_, has your island burnt down? | 12:54 |
| doc_ | a littel :/ thanks for asking :) | 12:54 |
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| Riddell | at least your internet seems to be working, that's the important thing | 12:54 |
| doc__ | hehehehe of course :) | 12:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: found a bug related to that networkstatus in kdelibs, will try to fix and make a patch for you. | 12:55 |
| _StefanS_ | ouch.. cpu is 99 degrees celcius. Better find my external fan :D | 12:55 |
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| Riddell | _StefanS_: what's that? | 01:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/networkstatustestservice': No such file or directory | 01:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: gotta find out why that binary is not created/moved to the correct place | 01:07 |
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| Riddell | it may no longer exist | 01:07 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: did you send that e-mail to infinity? | 01:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: not yet. I was going to wait until I had finished compiling the last 4 packages | 01:08 |
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| siretart | apachelogger: no, xine doesn't support kioslaves | 01:26 |
| siretart | apachelogger: xine however does support various MRL schemes, see xine(5) for details | 01:26 |
| apachelogger | siretart: yeah, but I think the smb thingy is br0ken | 01:26 |
| apachelogger | I'm not really into smb stuff though ;-) | 01:26 |
| siretart | apachelogger: that's what I believe as well | 01:27 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ctypes (python-ctypes) needs lpia in debian/control under Architecture. | 02:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: if you want to submit it. | 02:17 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: can you send me a debdiff? | 02:17 |
| Riddell | as an attachment preferably | 02:18 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: uhm ok | 02:23 |
| === Hobbsee waves | ||
| _StefanS_ | hey hobbs | 02:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: the attachment is in the second mail | 02:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: regular diff.... | 02:24 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: do you object to debdiffs? | 02:25 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: no not at all.. I just cant never get it to work | 02:25 |
| === _StefanS_ is kinda hopeless when it comes to debdiff's :( | ||
| Riddell | dch -i ..add changelog.. debuild; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc | 02:26 |
| _StefanS_ | goody, I will write it down :) | 02:27 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm I guess I missed the dch -i part | 02:28 |
| _StefanS_ | thats why it didn't have anything to diff even though I changed the source | 02:28 |
| Riddell | oh, debuild -S, I forgot the -S | 02:28 |
| _StefanS_ | oh yep. | 02:29 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: I added you to motu-uvf, I noticed you had no negative votes :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: who's dealing with amarok? | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, somehow! :P | 02:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: whoever grabs it first | 02:29 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell, Hobbsee: I'm compiling it for lpia if thats what you're talking about | 02:31 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: no, we're talking about the new version, which needs to be packaged (and backported) by someone | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right | 02:32 |
| _StefanS_ | oh ok | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: then again, no idea how much ubuntu stuff i'll be doing, including if i'll have time to do -uvf | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | but it will be useful to be able to shove kubuntu stuff thru | 02:35 |
| Riddell | :) | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | interesting answer. Riddell's smiling over me saying i'll probably be spending less time on *ubuntu | 02:38 |
| jjesse | i think we all are Hobbsee | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: right, okay then | 02:39 |
| === ScottK should also be able to help with the shoving through ... | ||
| Hobbsee | ScottK: excellent, so we have 2 kubuntu ack's, and can shove anything thru without gnome interference. excellent. | 02:40 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: i didnt know you wanted to get rid of me that much... | 02:40 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: i don't | 02:40 |
| ScottK | Of course I've been having less time for *ubuntu lately too... | 02:41 |
| Riddell | I'm smiling that kubuntu remains the important thing | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah right | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yes, it tends to seem the most useful | 02:43 |
| ScottK | Well that's the thing I actually use every day. | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | it's interesting - the top distros, apart from ubuntu, all seem to be shipping kde as their default... | 02:46 |
| kwwii | erm, redhat? | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | okay, excluding redhat. | 02:49 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Which are those (I'm curious)? | 02:49 |
| ScottK | opensuse? | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, pclinux07, | 02:49 |
| ScottK | IIRC, SUSE shipped Gnome/KDE on an equal footing now. | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | http://distrowatch.com/ | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i thought it did kde | 02:49 |
| kwwii | nope, those days are gone | 02:50 |
| ScottK | Since Novell bought them the've leaned more and more towards Gnome. | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | dodgy | 02:50 |
| jjesse | for opensuse you have the opportunity in the install ot specify either KDE or gnome | 02:50 |
| === Hobbsee was reading the marketing team ML | ||
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| \sh | Riddell: compiz and kde under gutsy? compiz-kde installed, but how do someone enable it? | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: compiz --replace | 03:00 |
| \sh | i did... | 03:00 |
| \sh | no change | 03:00 |
| \sh | with gnome no problem | 03:01 |
| Riddell | do you have compiz-fusion plugins installed? | 03:02 |
| \sh | Riddell: is it installed by default? | 03:02 |
| Riddell | no | 03:02 |
| \sh | plugins-main is installed | 03:03 |
| \sh | plugins-extra I don't know | 03:03 |
| \sh | hmm...installing emerald ;) | 03:03 |
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| \sh | and freeze ;) | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:23 |
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| Hobbsee | \sh: undocumented feature. | 03:23 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: hehe...looks like | 03:23 |
| \sh | let's try it again | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: it's the opposite to teh windows burning down | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: oh - you cant ctrl+c the terminal compiz | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: use kwin --replace to get out of compiz | 03:24 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: tbh, compiz --replace gives more problems then under gnome... | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: yes, compiz and kde are not friends | 03:31 |
| \sh | hopefully kde4 will solve this issue | 03:33 |
| nixternal | mornin' | 03:36 |
| Riddell | \sh: you got it working? | 03:38 |
| \sh | Riddell: yepp...but only for a short time | 03:40 |
| \sh | Riddell: kde3 and compiz... | 03:40 |
| \sh | many graphical bugs (top/bottom line of panel, depends where you moved the panel) | 03:41 |
| \sh | the keyboard shortcuts are gone, when switching from gnome to kde compiz | 03:41 |
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| Riddell | \sh: what did you need to do to get it working? | 03:45 |
| \sh | Riddell: just a compiz --replace | 03:47 |
| \sh | and you need compiz-kde installed | 03:47 |
| \sh | but how to change the keyboard shortcuts...I didn't manage... | 03:48 |
| \sh | I'll check this evening when I have more time to investigate | 03:48 |
| \sh | (works here with the free radeon driver from xorg...M300 ati card) | 03:49 |
| nixternal | anyone else having external mouse issue at all? | 03:53 |
| kwwii | nixternal: yeah, I can find mine :p | 04:02 |
| nixternal | mine is acting like it the battery is dead, but I just replaced it | 04:03 |
| nixternal | the touchpad works fine, but the external mouse is garbage right now | 04:03 |
| === Hobbsee uses an external penguin. | ||
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: AAAAH! | 04:03 |
| === Tm_T will paint his next mouse to look like penguin | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:04 |
| Tm_T | don't laugh, its great idea! | 04:05 |
| Riddell | hmm, I wonder what's happened to Tonio | 04:08 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: kdesudo is in main | 04:09 |
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| Riddell | anyone have tonio's phone number? kwwii, manchicken? | 04:19 |
| jjesse | is there a meeting today? | 04:19 |
| kwwii | nope, I do not have it | 04:20 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: not for kubuntu -it's not the first wednesday of the month | 04:20 |
| Riddell | jjesse: no, but he's been missing for 10 days and I need to know what's happening with bluetooth before FF | 04:20 |
| nixternal | Riddell: didn't he go on a vacation with his girlfriend? | 04:21 |
| jjesse | ah | 04:22 |
| Riddell | rings a bell | 04:22 |
| jjesse | ive just mised the the last couple and didnt' want to miss another one | 04:22 |
| nixternal | I remember him saying something like "did I tell you I love her" | 04:22 |
| Riddell | going to Rome | 04:22 |
| nixternal | so I am wondering, you think he popped the question? | 04:22 |
| Riddell | "on vacation on sunday for 10 days" | 04:22 |
| Riddell | mm, in Rome, might be hard not to | 04:23 |
| nixternal | right | 04:23 |
| Riddell | so he's gone until FF basicly | 04:23 |
| Riddell | anyone fancy updating his kdebluetooth packages and uploading? | 04:23 |
| Riddell | I don't know if there's fancy stuff that needs doing or not though | 04:24 |
| nixternal | 08/03/07] [12:33:44] [ Tonio_] Riddell: and I'll be on vacation on sunday for 10 days | 04:24 |
| nixternal | [08/03/07] [12:34:01] [ Tonio_] going to visit roma, my girlfriend offered me the trip for my birthday :) | 04:24 |
| nixternal | [08/03/07] [12:34:10] [ Tonio_] did I tell you I love her ? ^^ | 04:24 |
| nixternal | :) | 04:24 |
| nixternal | so he has a couple of more days | 04:24 |
| nixternal | ahh, I just noticed you posted it | 04:24 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I can update it, you can upload it :) | 04:25 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: I'm not sure where he was putting his packages | 04:27 |
| Riddell | fabo has the url to kdebluetooth betas | 04:27 |
| nixternal | I think in a PPA iirc | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | or on his home repo, maybe | 04:27 |
| nixternal | kdebluetooth repos in pkg-kde? | 04:27 |
| nixternal | kde-extras | 04:28 |
| fabo | nixternal: tonio package is on his home repo | 04:32 |
| nixternal | ah, OK, thanks | 04:32 |
| Riddell | nixternal: http://cryptomilch.de/~dgollub/kdebluetooth/ beta 6 here | 04:33 |
| fabo | :) | 04:33 |
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| Riddell | I can't remember why it wasn't uploaded, it needs a new dependency or something | 04:34 |
| === Riddell really should have paid more attention | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: dont you log? | 04:34 |
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| Riddell | ubuntulog does, but I can't find it just now | 04:35 |
| fabo | basket rules ;) | 04:35 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:45 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: sweet news about kdesudo | 04:54 |
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| mhb | Riddell: what is the plan with kdesudo? There was a person asking about it the other day. | 05:07 |
| nixternal | I think it was just added to kubuntu-meta (seen something in gutsy-changes about it) | 05:08 |
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| nosrednaekim | as for that bug that someone was reporting the other day with VIA chipsets and Kinfocenter, its definately a VIA video driver problem. | 05:09 |
| nixternal | Riddell: should I change the maintainer to Kubuntu Developers <kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com>? | 05:09 |
| nosrednaekim | I tried it out on a VIa computer. | 05:09 |
| nixternal | nosrednaekim: what bug is that? | 05:09 |
| nixternal | I have to via systems here to try and reproduce it on | 05:10 |
| nixternal | s/to/two | 05:10 |
| nosrednaekim | I forget. :( but it was some bug where kinfo center would crash the whole computer when looking at the openGL status. | 05:10 |
| nixternal | works fine here | 05:10 |
| nosrednaekim | (or at least crash X) | 05:10 |
| nixternal | but then again I am not using binary drivers | 05:11 |
| nosrednaekim | are you using vesa? or "via"? | 05:11 |
| nixternal | ati (dri r300 project) | 05:11 |
| nixternal | via chipset though | 05:11 |
| Riddell | nixternal: can do | 05:11 |
| nixternal | k | 05:11 |
| nixternal | test building it now | 05:11 |
| nosrednaekim | nixternal: this had to do with the via graphics chip | 05:12 |
| nixternal | ahh | 05:12 |
| nixternal | ya, the via graphics chip, the xorg drivers for it are really really bad | 05:12 |
| nosrednaekim | yeah, the bug is (partly) reproducable on fiesty (kinfo center just crashes) | 05:13 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta6~r698638-0ubuntu1.dsc | 06:01 |
| Riddell | nixternal: groovy, any idea if it works? | 06:03 |
| nixternal | I don't have bluetooth on this machine to test it | 06:03 |
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| nixternal | that's it..I am going to go buy some bluetooth toys this week | 06:03 |
| Riddell | fdoving: do I remember you have bluetooth? | 06:06 |
| nixternal | my cellphone doesn't even have bluetooth...man I am cheap | 06:06 |
| nixternal | a bluetooth usb adapter is fairly inexpensive...I can take my laptop to the mall and sit in the food court and borrow people's cell phones :D | 06:07 |
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| toma | nice artwork/kdm in gutsy atm! | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | toma! | 06:28 |
| toma | ola Hobbsee | 06:28 |
| Hobbsee | toma: i like your idea, btw | 06:28 |
| toma | hmm, which one ;-) ? | 06:29 |
| toma | i'm full of idea | 06:29 |
| toma | s | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | toma: the one about closing kde3 bugs, when kde4 releases | 06:30 |
| toma | Hobbsee: you do? o allright. I expected some objections from packagers | 06:30 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Until KDE4 is the default supported version in a released version of Kubuntu, I don't think we should do that. | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: upstream b ugtracker | 06:32 |
| Hobbsee | toma: wlel, if you're not going to fix the bugs anyway, what's the point in having them? | 06:32 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 06:32 |
| Hobbsee | all tehy do is sit there and rot | 06:32 |
| Hobbsee | i cant see the point | 06:32 |
| nixternal | toma: I am onboard with the kde3 bug closing as well...I know Phil Rodgriguez and I already talked about it and are planning on something similar in the next few months | 06:32 |
| ScottK | Well until KDE4 is mature enough for mere mortals, don't be so sure you're done fixing KDE3. | 06:33 |
| nixternal | kde 3.5.8 is pretty much it, unless it is security or grave | 06:34 |
| toma | Hobbsee: i agree | 06:34 |
| toma | nixternal: planning on something similar? | 06:34 |
| nixternal | heh, there are still bugs from KDE 3.3 | 06:34 |
| nixternal | stuff with KHC and docs right now | 06:34 |
| nixternal | but I have been following the KDE bugsquad and I know some of them have stated something similar | 06:35 |
| toma | the reactions on my blog are a bit mixed | 06:36 |
| toma | i think a somewhat mild version of my proposal can make it | 06:36 |
| toma | not sure how to proceed though | 06:36 |
| toma | it will close the bugs in launchpad as well though | 06:38 |
| toma | i dont know if you aer happy with that | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | toma: it'll close the upstream links | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | and we can close based off that | 06:38 |
| toma | k | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | personally, if upstream arent going to fix them, and we arent either, then what's the point in keeping them open? | 06:38 |
| toma | +1 | 06:39 |
| toma | now i need someone to explain the klamav thread to me | 06:39 |
| ScottK | What isn't clear? | 06:40 |
| toma | What is not clear to me is why you dont want klamav to update its core | 06:40 |
| ScottK | First, as a matter of policy, updates should be done within the packaging system. | 06:41 |
| ScottK | So, it's normal to disable functionality that allows updates external to the packaging system. | 06:41 |
| ScottK | So, I'd put it the other way, why should we allow it? | 06:41 |
| ScottK | Additionally, I've discovered that clamav can easily be made to use a mix of /usr/local and system files from different versions and that can't be a good thing. | 06:42 |
| toma | because i fear people will not have to right lines in the apt package manager to receive the updates at all and because people do not update every day | 06:42 |
| ScottK | But to make the klamav approach work they also need to know enough to install the build-dependencies, which most people won't do either. | 06:43 |
| ScottK | Also, -security is enabled by default and we've been very good about getting security updates for clamav done quickly. | 06:44 |
| toma | why would people need to have build-deps? | 06:44 |
| ScottK | Additionally, desktop av doens't have the same level of criticality on Linux desktops as it does on Windows desktops. | 06:44 |
| ScottK | So they can build the new version of the software from source. | 06:45 |
| ScottK | That's what klamav does, it fetches the new upstream release, builds, and installs it in /usr/local. | 06:45 |
| toma | ahhh | 06:45 |
| toma | that was not clear | 06:45 |
| toma | i thought it jst received a binary blob which was a standalone part of the scanning | 06:46 |
| ScottK | No. | 06:46 |
| ScottK | Also, virus definitions are retrieved. | 06:46 |
| ScottK | This is just for clamav engine upgrades. | 06:46 |
| toma | right | 06:46 |
| toma | thanks, i'll reply to the list after dinner to cancel my objections | 06:47 |
| ScottK | OK. Great. | 06:48 |
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| nixternal | conversation with su failed | 07:30 |
| nixternal | what does that mean when trying to run add/remove in feisty? | 07:30 |
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| nixternal | actually that error is in edgy...jeesh | 07:34 |
| Riddell | it means kdesu broke? | 07:34 |
| nixternal | that is what I suspect | 07:35 |
| nixternal | but he is supposedly getting this on a new system...trying to get him to upgrade | 07:35 |
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| jc-denton | is there a plan to implement spellchecking in klauncher? | 09:32 |
| jc-denton | which can correct errors with a distance of 1 or 2? | 09:32 |
| jc-denton | will it be able to compete with quicksilver (which katapult is not imho) | 09:33 |
| jc-denton | will the next kubuntu ship with kde4? | 09:33 |
| TheInfinity | kubuntu 7.10? | 09:35 |
| jc-denton | yes | 09:35 |
| TheInfinity | no. kde4 is not final | 09:35 |
| jc-denton | yes but it will be a bit after the release of the new kubuntu | 09:36 |
| jc-denton | so i ask myself if you will delay it a bit | 09:36 |
| ScottK | It's been discussed and it's just not possible. | 09:37 |
| TheInfinity | there will be inoffical kde4 upgrades | 09:37 |
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| TheInfinity | but they are not offically supported | 09:38 |
| ScottK | The Kubuntu schedule is tied ot the Ubuntu schedule and there really is no mechanism to delay one without the other. | 09:38 |
| jc-denton | where? | 09:39 |
| jc-denton | what does mean not possible | 09:39 |
| jc-denton | of course it is | 09:39 |
| TheInfinity | jc-denton: kubuntu.org offers inofficial kde upgrades | 09:40 |
| TheInfinity | the have kde4 atm | 09:40 |
| TheInfinity | but its just for testing | 09:40 |
| jc-denton | yes but i don't want inoffical stuff if i upgrade to a new distro | 09:41 |
| jc-denton | i'm already playing with them too | 09:41 |
| TheInfinity | then you have to wait ;) | 09:41 |
| TheInfinity | kde 4.0 wnt be that stable i think, so its even better if theres some time | 09:41 |
| jc-denton | no i'll switch to opensuse :P | 09:41 |
| jc-denton | (and waste my spare time with rpm dependencies) | 09:42 |
| TheInfinity | do what you want ;9 | 09:42 |
| jc-denton | but nobody wants an old kde version with a new distro | 09:42 |
| mhb | jc-denton: KDE4 is very unstable by itself | 09:42 |
| TheInfinity | jc-denton: everyone who likes just a stable OS likes an old kde version ;) | 09:43 |
| mhb | jc-denton: actually, everyone wants the system to "just work" without tweaking, and KDE4 doesn't offer it yet | 09:43 |
| mhb | jc-denton: if you are a KDE enthusiast, you can easily install KDE4 with just a few packages | 09:44 |
| nosrednaekim | mhb: I am convinced that isn't hat gentoo users like ;) | 09:44 |
| TheInfinity | jc-denton: if you like the latest software sometimes with a lack of stability you can use sidux for example - or using the inofficial backports | 09:44 |
| jc-denton | i'm not an enthusiast, i'm just interested | 09:44 |
| nosrednaekim | *what | 09:44 |
| TheInfinity | or gento - there you will have always the latest software | 09:45 |
| jc-denton | but kde4 will then be final (which i also have problems to imagine, since i played with the kde4 beta) | 09:45 |
| TheInfinity | jc-denton: windows vista for example is also final | 09:46 |
| TheInfinity | i dont need to say more, dont I? ;) | 09:46 |
| jc-denton | it's indeed very stable | 09:46 |
| mhb | jc-denton: you see, KDE4 has a beta available, but their "beta" is a lot different to the Kubuntu concept of "beta" version | 09:46 |
| jc-denton | ok maybe change topics | 09:46 |
| mhb | jc-denton: they don't have all the features there, which is a prerequisite for a beta | 09:46 |
| jc-denton | does anybody know about the new kde launcher | 09:47 |
| mhb | jc-denton: krunner? | 09:47 |
| jc-denton | mhb: microsoft? | 09:47 |
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| mhb | jc-denton: no, KDE4 guys ... | 09:47 |
| jc-denton | yes i read about this | 09:48 |
| jc-denton | it will come available later | 09:48 |
| jc-denton | but that does not mean that 4.0 will be unstable | 09:48 |
| mhb | jc-denton: I'm afraid if KDE4.0 final will arrive at the planned date, it would be of "beta" quality for us | 09:48 |
| ScottK | jc-denton: For those of us who use Kubuntu for actual work that we get paid for, I think Gutsy with KDE4 by default would be a disaster. | 09:48 |
| ScottK | It'd be time for me to look for another distro. | 09:48 |
| sahin_h | Is Kubuntu 8.04 will be provide KDE4 as default? I'm just wondering. | 09:48 |
| TheInfinity | sahin_h: depends on how stable kde4 is | 09:49 |
| sahin_h | If not, I don't mind. I'm really just wondering. | 09:49 |
| sahin_h | So is there hope for it? | 09:49 |
| jc-denton | ScottK: well kontact was and still is a desaster in every kubuntu distro ;) | 09:49 |
| jc-denton | ScottK: but i understand | 09:50 |
| ScottK | jc-denton: Oddly enough I've used it as my primary mail client for over two years with no real problems. | 09:50 |
| ScottK | Actually 1 + years on Kubuntu. | 09:51 |
| ScottK | Opensuse and Xandros before that. | 09:51 |
| mhb | sahin_h: most likely not | 09:51 |
| TheInfinity | jc-denton: you never moved many mails in an IMAP folder ... | 09:51 |
| jc-denton | ScottK: i don't belive you | 09:51 |
| mhb | sahin_h: Kubuntu 8.04 will be an LTS release, so we should try and make it an exceptionally stable release | 09:51 |
| jc-denton | we tried to use it at work | 09:51 |
| TheInfinity | i meant ScottK | 09:51 |
| jc-denton | with kolab | 09:51 |
| jc-denton | it never worked | 09:51 |
| sahin_h | mhb: Well this is sad, however you are the developers. | 09:51 |
| ScottK | TheInfinity: True. I use pop, not imap. | 09:51 |
| sahin_h | I won't switch to opensuse. ;-) | 09:52 |
| ScottK | If jc-denton had said IMAP is Kmail really sucks, I'd have agreed. | 09:52 |
| TheInfinity | ScottK: i have ca. 500 MB mails in imap | 09:52 |
| TheInfinity | and there kmail really sucks | 09:52 |
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| jc-denton | TheInfinity: ? | 09:53 |
| TheInfinity | cached imap of course ;) | 09:53 |
| ScottK | sahin_h: I am a developer now, but that wasn't true most of the time I'be used Kontact/Kmail. | 09:53 |
| jc-denton | ScottK: well i mean that | 09:53 |
| mhb | sahin_h: if you think KDE4 will be production-ready for you at its release or in Kubuntu 8.04, you can easily switch to it | 09:53 |
| jc-denton | nobody uses pop nowadays | 09:53 |
| jc-denton | and kolab uses imap for everything | 09:53 |
| ScottK | Then I guess I'm nobody. | 09:53 |
| mhb | sahin_h: we will provide fully functional KDE4 packages. They just won't be the default. | 09:53 |
| TheInfinity | jc-denton: lots of people use pop3 at home | 09:54 |
| jc-denton | yes my grandma | 09:54 |
| sahin_h | mhb: Ok. That's fine. | 09:54 |
| jc-denton | ;) | 09:54 |
| ScottK | Every time I've tried IMAP I've lost mail. Doesn't matter what client I used. | 09:54 |
| mhb | sahin_h: but we will provide instructions on how to set KDE4 as default, so everyone can make the switch if they want | 09:54 |
| TheInfinity | but if you have an own server or a network in a company you have imap ;) | 09:54 |
| sahin_h | mhb: Even better! | 09:54 |
| ScottK | Well my company is the ideal size. Employees == 1. | 09:54 |
| sahin_h | mhb: That's will be fine for me. | 09:54 |
| TheInfinity | ScottK: I just have an own server in net and make some web projects. and have imap mail ;) | 09:55 |
| jc-denton | ScottK: too bad for you, you need to do all the work yourself :D | 09:58 |
| jc-denton | just curious.. what kind of company is it, ScottK ? | 09:59 |
| ScottK | I mostly do consulting in system engineering and also some SMTP related stuff. | 09:59 |
| ScottK | And I'd rather do all the work myself than deal with trying to manage getting other people to do it for me. | 10:00 |
| jc-denton | system engineering == project management | 10:01 |
| jc-denton | maybe not == , but like that? | 10:03 |
| ScottK | No more on the technical end of working out the details of how different complex system interact. | 10:05 |
| jc-denton | so you do coding? or sysadm related stuff? | 10:06 |
| ScottK | Group A designs syste AA and Group B designs system BB. When in-service will AA and BB work together well and how to make it better. | 10:06 |
| ScottK | I do some coding, but mostly for prototype work. | 10:06 |
| ScottK | It's mostly design documentation. | 10:06 |
| jc-denton | ok | 10:07 |
| jc-denton | klauncher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv | 10:07 |
| jc-denton | i did as written on the kubuntu page | 10:07 |
| jc-denton | also with the export | 10:08 |
| jc-denton | i want to try out klauncher now!! :( | 10:08 |
| mhb | jc-denton: do you mean krunner? | 10:10 |
| jc-denton | yes | 10:11 |
| mhb | jc-denton: well why don't you test it then? | 10:11 |
| jc-denton | humm | 10:11 |
| jc-denton | no program works | 10:11 |
| jc-denton | see above | 10:11 |
| mhb | jc-denton: not true, it works here (Gutsy, KDE4 beta) | 10:11 |
| jc-denton | well i have feisty | 10:11 |
| mhb | jc-denton: do you have KDE4 beta packages installed? | 10:12 |
| jc-denton | yes | 10:12 |
| jc-denton | but wait | 10:12 |
| jc-denton | kdelibs5 kdelibs5-dev | 10:12 |
| jc-denton | it could not install them | 10:12 |
| mhb | jc-denton: hmm, ask in #kubuntu support channel then | 10:13 |
| jc-denton | i did | 10:13 |
| jc-denton | they told me to ask here | 10:13 |
| mhb | jc-denton: actually, the new krunner launcher is no marvel in beta | 10:14 |
| mhb | jc-denton: I tried to run it from KDE3, it launches, but it can't really do anything useful | 10:14 |
| mhb | jc-denton: you can either launch a command if you write the exact comamnd or launch a konsole | 10:15 |
| jc-denton | humm | 10:15 |
| mhb | jc-denton: even KDE3's katapult can do more stuff at this point | 10:16 |
| jc-denton | http://rafb.net/p/WDjJbV29.html | 10:16 |
| jc-denton | katapult sucks | 10:16 |
| jc-denton | maybe we could hack up krunner | 10:16 |
| jc-denton | but i first have to get it running | 10:17 |
| mhb | jc-denton: I'm afraid I have no idea what the problem is. | 10:18 |
| jc-denton | hrmm | 10:18 |
| jc-denton | the instructions on the page looked so easy | 10:18 |
| jc-denton | did anybody try out the packaes on feisty actually? | 10:18 |
| ScottK | instructions on a page are often that way. no sorry, not me. | 10:19 |
| mhb | jc-denton: yes, people did and it worked well for them | 10:19 |
| mhb | jc-denton: are you sure you have all the latest Feisty updates and that you didn't miss any step? | 10:19 |
| jc-denton | yes | 10:20 |
| jc-denton | ah wait | 10:23 |
| jc-denton | apt-get installs other stuff then aptitude | 10:23 |
| jc-denton | lol | 10:23 |
| jc-denton | first it did not work with apt-get now with aptitude | 10:23 |
| jc-denton | where is apt-work? | 10:23 |
| fdoving | Riddell: yes, you remember correctly, i have bluetooth. | 10:27 |
| jc-denton | now aptitude wants to remove all the things apt-get installed | 10:28 |
| jc-denton | looks completely broken to me | 10:28 |
| jc-denton | my other computer is still running edgy | 10:29 |
| jc-denton | i guess i cant install it there | 10:29 |
| nixternal | fdoving: I put the kdebluetooth package on my PPA, but it seems there is an issue with a libobex dep in the PPA | 10:30 |
| nixternal | jc-denton: katapult is far from "sucks" | 10:30 |
| jc-denton | nixternal: have you ever tried quicksilver? | 10:31 |
| fdoving | nixternal: PPA = personal package archive or something? (i'm like 1,5 weeks delayed in the online-world) | 10:31 |
| nixternal | what is quicksilver? | 10:31 |
| nixternal | fdoving: yes | 10:31 |
| fdoving | sounds like an apple-thing | 10:31 |
| fdoving | nixternal: from where did you get that kdebluetooth? url? | 10:31 |
| jc-denton | the thing katapult tries to be | 10:31 |
| nixternal | well seeing that I haven't used proprietary software since the 90s, that would be no | 10:31 |
| jc-denton | nixternal: do you have access to a mac? | 10:32 |
| jc-denton | if so try it out | 10:32 |
| jc-denton | if not search youtube | 10:32 |
| nixternal | fdoving: you just want my source files from the PPA so you can build it? | 10:32 |
| jc-denton | nixternal: quiksilver is what katapult tries to be | 10:32 |
| fdoving | nixternal: sure. that would be ok. | 10:32 |
| fdoving | nixternal: i'll go get my cell.. hang on. | 10:32 |
| jc-denton | eg you type ado, adobe or maybe just ad | 10:32 |
| jc-denton | then it shows you a list with the installed adobe software | 10:33 |
| jc-denton | and the first choice is the one you use most | 10:33 |
| nixternal | fdoving: http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta6~r698638-0ubuntu1.dsc | 10:33 |
| jc-denton | you can also type adboe | 10:33 |
| jc-denton | and it will work | 10:33 |
| nixternal | that is cool | 10:33 |
| jc-denton | yes | 10:33 |
| nixternal | that would probably be a fairly easy hack for Katapult to do the same I am sure...just gotta bop Mez in the head when he is around | 10:33 |
| jc-denton | so compared to it katapult does not look that easy | 10:34 |
| jc-denton | in what language is it written | 10:34 |
| jc-denton | in what language is krunner written | 10:34 |
| nixternal | will quicksilver open OpenOffice.org Writer by doing -> o w | 10:34 |
| jc-denton | krunner should come with these capabilities | 10:34 |
| jc-denton | http://youtube.com/watch?v=lIJKvt8fsrA | 10:35 |
| jc-denton | this here shows quicksilver | 10:35 |
| mhb | jc-denton: I think it will have those, but it doesn't have them yet | 10:35 |
| jc-denton | but u can't read the fonts on the screen, unfortunately | 10:35 |
| jc-denton | mhb: would be cool | 10:36 |
| jc-denton | and a plugin system | 10:36 |
| jc-denton | so you can connect your mp3-, video player, browser, office, google suggest, etc to it | 10:37 |
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| fdoving | nixternal: sorry about the delay, kid woke up, (2nd. night in own bedroom). building. | 10:45 |
| nixternal | roger | 10:48 |
| ScottK | Do we really need to be installing NTFS stuff by default? Urgh. | 10:49 |
| jc-denton | yes | 10:50 |
| ScottK | Why | 10:50 |
| jc-denton | and also flash and all proprietary codes imho | 10:50 |
| jc-denton | because it sucks if you have to install them manually | 10:50 |
| ScottK | NTFS is only useful for people who are dual booting. | 10:50 |
| ScottK | I think it's defeatist to assume people will use Windows. | 10:51 |
| fdoving | nixternal: installed, what steps did you make to trigger this error? | 10:52 |
| nixternal | ahh, that error was a build problem with the PPAs...I don't have bluetooth to test it, hence why Riddell called you out :) | 10:52 |
| fdoving | nixternal: it built nicely, installed too, but it doesn't work.. | 10:53 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:53 |
| mhb | ScottK: if we could, we would assume people are having all of the OSes in their systems | 10:54 |
| mhb | ScottK: how is the presence of a driver problematic to you? | 10:54 |
| mhb | ScottK: I mean - you surely have a driver for HFS in your system and you dont mind much | 10:55 |
| ScottK | I suppose. | 10:56 |
| ScottK | I just think it's not right to assume that Windows compatibility is something everyone cares about. | 10:57 |
| ScottK | I don't view NTFS support as "a file system that some people use, but I don't | 10:57 |
| ScottK | I view it as "Windows compatibliity cruft that's not even potentially of use to me" | 10:57 |
| jc-denton | well maybe not everybody | 10:58 |
| jc-denton | but 90% at least | 10:58 |
| mhb | ScottK: I think we can gain more users when "the software/driver is there when you need it" | 10:58 |
| fdoving | it's nice when you sometimes need to help customers recover their NTFS-stored critical data. | 10:58 |
| ScottK | RIght. | 10:58 |
| fdoving | some magic with a livecd and usb-disks. | 10:58 |
| ScottK | I guess I'll sit down and quit whining. | 10:59 |
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| jc-denton | lol | 10:59 |
| mhb | ScottK: well, come back whining when this issue is the highest priority unfixed bug in Launchpad :o) | 11:00 |
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| ScottK | Sure. | 11:00 |
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| mhb | ScottK: oh, and if you have time for whining, perhaps you also have time to set up distcc on a slow box and a fast box together and then use delta debugging to target the bug in python-kde3/konsole kpart | 11:01 |
| mhb | (joke :o) | 11:01 |
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| nixternal | has anything been said about getting nspluginwrapper and oo.o working again in Gutsy? this is the longest lasting break I have ever seen | 11:07 |
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| fdoving | nixternal: i investigated that issue a while back. (around 2 weeks ago). and it's unclear to me where exactly the problem is. | 11:08 |
| fdoving | i'm kind of waiting for the novell/suse guys to figure it out :) | 11:09 |
| nixternal | haha | 11:20 |
| Riddell | kwwii: do you still have that sample kubuntu banner from last year? | 11:21 |
| Riddell | kwwii: it might be needed for froscon if we can't get the poster stand out of glasgow | 11:21 |
| kwwii | Riddell: not sure...which one? | 11:21 |
| kwwii | ahh, you mean the small printed one | 11:21 |
| kwwii | yes, I have it | 11:21 |
| Riddell | kwwii: you said you had a sample one from akademy 2007 | 11:21 |
| kwwii | let me know if I can send it to you | 11:21 |
| Riddell | kwwii: froscon is in germany, I have an address it can go to | 11:22 |
| kwwii | great, let me know and I can send it tomorrow | 11:22 |
| kwwii | within germany normal post arrives within two days | 11:23 |
| kwwii | if it is close, 1 day | 11:23 |
| kwwii | btw. perhaps we should discuss UDS invitation-invitations | 11:25 |
| Riddell | kwwii: I put the names I have on that wiki page jono made, with this new conference format thingy I've no idea how many people we're likely to be able to invite | 11:26 |
| kwwii | Riddell: well, as far as artwork goes I was unsure who to invite, so I thought it might help if I invited some people as well | 11:27 |
| Riddell | sure | 11:28 |
| Riddell | but if you're unsure who to invite, who would you invite? | 11:28 |
| kwwii | ruphy and kevin | 11:28 |
| Riddell | kevin ottens? | 11:29 |
| kwwii | point being, if you have ideas let me know | 11:29 |
| Riddell | who's that other oxygen guy that has been doing tidying up? | 11:29 |
| Riddell | David Jonathon Miller | 11:29 |
| kwwii | I talked to him - he said he can't come | 11:30 |
| Riddell | ok | 11:30 |
| Riddell | well artwork people is something we're lacking so ruphy sure, kevin I always love to have around but he's been before and you'd need to have a reason | 11:32 |
| kwwii | right...I'll do what I can and see how it works out | 11:36 |
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| Riddell | add them to the wiki page, always worth a shot | 11:37 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: e-mailed about the poster with you in CC | 11:54 |
| kwwii | Riddell: received it...one thing to note is that the banner I have is horizontal in layout | 11:55 |
| kwwii | actually, I was not that far from nevesfelde on Sunday | 11:55 |
| Riddell | I believe they have a room rather than just a stand, there will be somewhere to put it as long as they bring string | 11:55 |
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| kwwii | I can put a bit of string in with the banner, just in case | 11:56 |
| Riddell | :) | 11:57 |
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| nixternal | g'nite sir | 11:58 |
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