[12:22] so, does anybody here recall what the default windeco and widget style are for kubuntu or will be default in the upcoming releasE? === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@adsl-64-237-197-62.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] innovati: they will be the same as in Feisty [12:26] innovati: most likely [12:27] innovati: that means Crystal windeco and Polyester widget style [12:27] mhb: hmm, I think I left the default settings ~10 minutes after installing it haha, thanks [12:27] oh yes, I recall polyester, it's a nice style isn't it [12:28] it's not that bad [12:28] haha so shiny all of a sudden haha === innovati puts on sunglasses === graphys [n=inanc@unaffiliated/graphys] has joined #kubuntu-devel === graphys [n=inanc@unaffiliated/graphys] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === lnxkde_ [n=lnxkde@adsl-64-237-197-62.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@20.Red-83-42-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kubuntu [n=kubuntu@c-68-35-101-47.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MaximLevitsky [n=MaximLev@89.0.255.187.dynamic.barak-online.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] Hi [01:20] i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that? [01:21] Two days before I told here that I found some bugs in kdesu, and that kdesudo is far from perfect. I need to know which one kubuntu will use,so I can fix it [01:22] how about kdesu [01:22] I mean will kdesu be replaced with kdesudo? === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] dont know === Nightros1 [n=lydia@lvps87-230-14-223.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] MaximLevitsky: that's a good question, but most of the people here are asleep. I would recommend using the kubuntu-devel mailing list. === LongPointyStick [n=mystery@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that? [01:23] kubuntu: nope :o) you should try the #kubuntu channel, we're not exactly support here, sorry. [01:24] ok thanks mhb [01:24] mhb, sure i will ask, thanks [01:24] i/I [01:24] MaximLevitsky: my bet is on "kdesu" staying the default, but ask there to make sure === kubuntu [n=kubuntu@c-68-35-101-47.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:26] mhb, thanks a lot, and btw I agree with you, I also find it better that kdesudo === innovati [n=innovati@bas1-kingston08-1167876573.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MaximLevitsky [n=MaximLev@89.0.255.187.dynamic.barak-online.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] nixternal: ping === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@66.19.241.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-119.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-Unit [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-TWENTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-Unit [n=jdong@SIMMONS-FIVE-TWENTY-THREE.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel === innovati [n=innovati@bas1-kingston08-1167876573.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N713P014.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde [n=lnxkde@adsl-64-237-195-237.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ijuz__ [n=ijuz@p54ABD624.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-Unit [n=jdong@sharkattack.media.mit.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === J-Unit is now known as jdong [07:07] manchicken__: pong [07:09] hiya Hobbsee [07:09] heya nixternal! [07:10] heya nixternal and Hobbsee! === n8k99 just saying hey [07:10] mhb: compiz is by default for machines that support it [07:10] mhb: if they dont, it drops back to metacity [07:10] hiya n8k99! [07:11] hola [07:12] fabo: seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132096 ? [07:12] Launchpad bug 132096 in kvpnc "Upgrade disables vpn client kvpnc" [Undecided,New] [07:12] Hobbsee: ah, thanks for enlightening me [07:13] (as we keep finding major bugs each tribe) [07:14] http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu/index/C/index.html [07:14] how does that index look? all of the 'How do I...' stuff will be links to the answers === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:53] Hobbsee: on previous kvpnc, pkcs11-tool wasn't supported, opensc was added on 0.8.9 [07:53] Hobbsee: as kvpnc can support multiple vpnc type of connection, every "helper" is a suggests [07:53] fabo: ah right [07:54] don't need to explain the rationale :) === fabo be back, goes to the office ;) === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lnxkde_ [n=lnxkde@adsl-64-237-195-237.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AED4FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F86B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === innovati [n=innovati@bas1-kingston08-1167876573.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kozz [i=kozz@81-232-134-52-no22.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === trekdanne [n=danne@h121n2fls34o895.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] anyone want to package the new amarok? [10:55] anying using xine based applications with the smb:// url? [10:57] wouldn't have thought xine could work with smb:// [10:58] I'm pretty sure amarok doesn't do a great job of it, apachelogger_ may know [10:59] xine doesn't support kio slaves [11:00] siretart: though I have been told for years that it's being worked on, I never saw anything working... ;-) [11:00] Riddell: btw, the amarok package should get a debug package, debian added it in 1.4.6 [11:01] all our packages have debug packages [11:01] (you just have to know where to get them) [11:01] lol [11:01] do they get hidden? [11:07] they're on an obscure archive somewhere [11:07] hm === apachelogger_ asks the mighty wiki [11:07] jdong: did ktorrent get a fix? [11:07] apachelogger_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-September/000195.html [11:07] Riddell: thx === lnxkde__ [n=lnxkde@adsl-64-237-195-237.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:07] Riddell: that does ship debug symbols for everything, just not backports :| [11:07] apachelogger_: yes, why the long face? [11:07] Riddell: how is one supposed to take a proper backtrace from a backports package? [11:09] apachelogger_: in theory it should just work [11:09] oh, it /doesn't/ have backports, I misread you [11:10] :P [11:10] dunno, pitti would know why it wasn't included === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] hi manchicken_ [11:17] NetworkManager is the suck, all my laptop says is "NetworkManager: Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access type not supported" [11:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: compile is progressing rather well.. have a few packages that cause probs [11:28] _StefanS_: what causes problems? [11:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: libxml-parser-perl and libxml-encoding-perl depend on eachother to build, subversion is missing gcj build-dependency, rpm depends on libdb4.4 but libdb4.5 is required by some other packages, so they need to be swapped [11:30] <_StefanS_> libneon25-dev changed to libneon26-dev in rpm debian/rules as well. [11:30] <_StefanS_> but nothing yet for i386 vs. lpia [11:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: here's the list of the stuff currently rebuilt: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33551/ [11:32] _StefanS_: which of those are blocked by the above issues? [11:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: These are: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33552/ [11:33] _StefanS_: ok, please e-mail the list of good kde modules and dependencies that still need to be built to infinity [11:33] and cc me and doko [11:33] <_StefanS_> righto. [11:33] <_StefanS_> quite a list ;) [11:33] you can also add the list of issues you have above at the end [11:33] yep, great stuff :) [11:35] <_StefanS_> uhm I expect the whole list you mailed me to be rebuilt later today, so I'll mail the list once I'm done. And ofcourse include any issues with it === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:35] <_StefanS_> ok? [11:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it would be really cool to have some of these backgrounds included within kubuntu .. : http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/gallery/ specifically the "vplants" collection [11:37] <_StefanS_> they're downright amazing. [11:38] we already have a background for gutsy [11:38] of course he can submit the artwork to the kde oxygen background competition [11:45] <_StefanS_> well I dont know the guy, I just sorta stumbled upon the backgrounds [11:45] <_StefanS_> :) === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:58] Riddell: builds fine under feisty confirmation -> strigi_0.5.5-2build1 + kde4libs_3.92.0-0ubuntu3 [12:01] fabo: do I need to make kde4libs build-dep on that strigi version? [12:03] Riddell: it is recommended. kde4libs_3.92.0-0ubuntu3 build only with strigi_0.5.5-2build1 [12:04] ok === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F86B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | anyone want to help port kde/qt to lpia - Low Power on Intel Architecture? | Tribe 4 Released === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Thu Aug 9 16:04:17 2007 === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54954AA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 1 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php | amarok 1.4.7 packager needed | FF, UVF Thursday, anything we need updated? === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387EC45.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@20.Red-83-42-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doc_ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] hi there :) [12:54] hi doc_, has your island burnt down? [12:54] a littel :/ thanks for asking :) === doc_ is now known as doc__ [12:54] at least your internet seems to be working, that's the important thing [12:55] hehehehe of course :) [12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: found a bug related to that networkstatus in kdelibs, will try to fix and make a patch for you. [12:55] <_StefanS_> ouch.. cpu is 99 degrees celcius. Better find my external fan :D === glatzor_ [n=renate@p57AEFB0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] _StefanS_: what's that? [01:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/networkstatustestservice': No such file or directory [01:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: gotta find out why that binary is not created/moved to the correct place === glatzor__ [n=renate@p57AED8DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] it may no longer exist [01:07] _StefanS_: did you send that e-mail to infinity? [01:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: not yet. I was going to wait until I had finished compiling the last 4 packages === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === serzholino [n=serzh@fw.zaporizhstal.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [01:26] apachelogger: no, xine doesn't support kioslaves [01:26] apachelogger: xine however does support various MRL schemes, see xine(5) for details [01:26] siretart: yeah, but I think the smb thingy is br0ken [01:26] I'm not really into smb stuff though ;-) [01:27] apachelogger: that's what I believe as well === lnxkde_ [n=lnxkde@adsl-64-237-195-237.prtc.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N908P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor__ [n=renate@p57AEF545.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ctypes (python-ctypes) needs lpia in debian/control under Architecture. [02:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if you want to submit it. [02:17] _StefanS_: can you send me a debdiff? [02:18] as an attachment preferably === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm ok === Hobbsee waves [02:24] <_StefanS_> hey hobbs [02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the attachment is in the second mail [02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: regular diff.... [02:25] _StefanS_: do you object to debdiffs? [02:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no not at all.. I just cant never get it to work === _StefanS_ is kinda hopeless when it comes to debdiff's :( [02:26] dch -i ..add changelog.. debuild; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc [02:27] <_StefanS_> goody, I will write it down :) [02:28] <_StefanS_> uhm I guess I missed the dch -i part [02:28] <_StefanS_> thats why it didn't have anything to diff even though I changed the source [02:28] oh, debuild -S, I forgot the -S [02:29] <_StefanS_> oh yep. === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB61.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] Hobbsee: I added you to motu-uvf, I noticed you had no negative votes :) [02:29] Riddell: who's dealing with amarok? [02:29] Riddell: yeah, somehow! :P [02:29] Hobbsee: whoever grabs it first [02:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell, Hobbsee: I'm compiling it for lpia if thats what you're talking about [02:32] _StefanS_: no, we're talking about the new version, which needs to be packaged (and backported) by someone [02:32] Riddell: right [02:32] <_StefanS_> oh ok [02:35] Riddell: then again, no idea how much ubuntu stuff i'll be doing, including if i'll have time to do -uvf [02:35] but it will be useful to be able to shove kubuntu stuff thru [02:36] :) [02:38] interesting answer. Riddell's smiling over me saying i'll probably be spending less time on *ubuntu [02:39] i think we all are Hobbsee [02:39] jjesse: right, okay then === ScottK should also be able to help with the shoving through ... [02:40] ScottK: excellent, so we have 2 kubuntu ack's, and can shove anything thru without gnome interference. excellent. === Lure_ [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] jjesse: i didnt know you wanted to get rid of me that much... [02:40] Hobbsee: i don't [02:41] Of course I've been having less time for *ubuntu lately too... [02:43] I'm smiling that kubuntu remains the important thing [02:43] Riddell: ah right [02:43] Riddell: yes, it tends to seem the most useful [02:43] Well that's the thing I actually use every day. [02:46] it's interesting - the top distros, apart from ubuntu, all seem to be shipping kde as their default... [02:49] erm, redhat? [02:49] okay, excluding redhat. [02:49] Hobbsee: Which are those (I'm curious)? [02:49] opensuse? [02:49] yeah, pclinux07, [02:49] IIRC, SUSE shipped Gnome/KDE on an equal footing now. [02:49] http://distrowatch.com/ [02:49] oh, i thought it did kde [02:50] nope, those days are gone [02:50] Since Novell bought them the've leaned more and more towards Gnome. [02:50] ahhh [02:50] dodgy [02:50] for opensuse you have the opportunity in the install ot specify either KDE or gnome === Hobbsee was reading the marketing team ML === \sh [n=nnsherma@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] <\sh> Riddell: compiz and kde under gutsy? compiz-kde installed, but how do someone enable it? [03:00] \sh: compiz --replace [03:00] <\sh> i did... [03:00] <\sh> no change [03:01] <\sh> with gnome no problem [03:02] do you have compiz-fusion plugins installed? [03:02] <\sh> Riddell: is it installed by default? [03:02] no [03:03] <\sh> plugins-main is installed [03:03] <\sh> plugins-extra I don't know [03:03] <\sh> hmm...installing emerald ;) === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:22] <\sh> and freeze ;) [03:23] heh === glatzor_ [n=renate@p57AEEB2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:23] \sh: undocumented feature. [03:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: hehe...looks like [03:23] <\sh> let's try it again [03:23] \sh: it's the opposite to teh windows burning down [03:23] \sh: oh - you cant ctrl+c the terminal compiz [03:24] \sh: use kwin --replace to get out of compiz [03:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: tbh, compiz --replace gives more problems then under gnome... [03:31] \sh: yes, compiz and kde are not friends [03:33] <\sh> hopefully kde4 will solve this issue [03:36] mornin' [03:38] \sh: you got it working? [03:40] <\sh> Riddell: yepp...but only for a short time [03:40] <\sh> Riddell: kde3 and compiz... [03:41] <\sh> many graphical bugs (top/bottom line of panel, depends where you moved the panel) [03:41] <\sh> the keyboard shortcuts are gone, when switching from gnome to kde compiz === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] \sh: what did you need to do to get it working? [03:47] <\sh> Riddell: just a compiz --replace [03:47] <\sh> and you need compiz-kde installed [03:48] <\sh> but how to change the keyboard shortcuts...I didn't manage... [03:48] <\sh> I'll check this evening when I have more time to investigate [03:49] <\sh> (works here with the free radeon driver from xorg...M300 ati card) [03:53] anyone else having external mouse issue at all? [04:02] nixternal: yeah, I can find mine :p [04:03] mine is acting like it the battery is dead, but I just replaced it [04:03] the touchpad works fine, but the external mouse is garbage right now === Hobbsee uses an external penguin. [04:03] Hobbsee: AAAAH! === Tm_T will paint his next mouse to look like penguin [04:04] hehe [04:05] don't laugh, its great idea! [04:08] hmm, I wonder what's happened to Tonio [04:09] _StefanS_: kdesudo is in main === glatzor__ [n=renate@87.174.245.185] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:19] anyone have tonio's phone number? kwwii, manchicken? [04:19] is there a meeting today? [04:20] nope, I do not have it === Hobbsee does not [04:20] jjesse: not for kubuntu -it's not the first wednesday of the month [04:20] jjesse: no, but he's been missing for 10 days and I need to know what's happening with bluetooth before FF [04:21] Riddell: didn't he go on a vacation with his girlfriend? [04:22] ah [04:22] rings a bell [04:22] ive just mised the the last couple and didnt' want to miss another one [04:22] I remember him saying something like "did I tell you I love her" [04:22] going to Rome [04:22] so I am wondering, you think he popped the question? [04:22] "on vacation on sunday for 10 days" [04:23] mm, in Rome, might be hard not to [04:23] right [04:23] so he's gone until FF basicly [04:23] anyone fancy updating his kdebluetooth packages and uploading? [04:24] I don't know if there's fancy stuff that needs doing or not though [04:24] 08/03/07] [12:33:44] [ Tonio_] Riddell: and I'll be on vacation on sunday for 10 days [04:24] [08/03/07] [12:34:01] [ Tonio_] going to visit roma, my girlfriend offered me the trip for my birthday :) [04:24] [08/03/07] [12:34:10] [ Tonio_] did I tell you I love her ? ^^ [04:24] :) [04:24] so he has a couple of more days [04:24] ahh, I just noticed you posted it [04:25] Riddell: I can update it, you can upload it :) === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] nixternal: I'm not sure where he was putting his packages [04:27] fabo has the url to kdebluetooth betas [04:27] I think in a PPA iirc [04:27] or on his home repo, maybe [04:27] kdebluetooth repos in pkg-kde? [04:28] kde-extras [04:32] nixternal: tonio package is on his home repo [04:32] ah, OK, thanks [04:33] nixternal: http://cryptomilch.de/~dgollub/kdebluetooth/ beta 6 here [04:33] :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:34] I can't remember why it wasn't uploaded, it needs a new dependency or something === Riddell really should have paid more attention [04:34] Riddell: dont you log? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [04:35] ubuntulog does, but I can't find it just now [04:35] basket rules ;) === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] Heya === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-018.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sweet news about kdesudo === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387FCD9.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:07] Riddell: what is the plan with kdesudo? There was a person asking about it the other day. [05:08] I think it was just added to kubuntu-meta (seen something in gutsy-changes about it) === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] as for that bug that someone was reporting the other day with VIA chipsets and Kinfocenter, its definately a VIA video driver problem. [05:09] Riddell: should I change the maintainer to Kubuntu Developers ? [05:09] I tried it out on a VIa computer. [05:09] nosrednaekim: what bug is that? [05:10] I have to via systems here to try and reproduce it on [05:10] s/to/two [05:10] I forget. :( but it was some bug where kinfo center would crash the whole computer when looking at the openGL status. [05:10] works fine here [05:10] (or at least crash X) [05:11] but then again I am not using binary drivers [05:11] are you using vesa? or "via"? [05:11] ati (dri r300 project) [05:11] via chipset though [05:11] nixternal: can do [05:11] k [05:11] test building it now [05:12] nixternal: this had to do with the via graphics chip [05:12] ahh [05:12] ya, the via graphics chip, the xorg drivers for it are really really bad [05:13] yeah, the bug is (partly) reproducable on fiesty (kinfo center just crashes) === danne_ [n=danne@h121n2fls34o895.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] Riddell: http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta6~r698638-0ubuntu1.dsc [06:03] nixternal: groovy, any idea if it works? [06:03] I don't have bluetooth on this machine to test it === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] that's it..I am going to go buy some bluetooth toys this week [06:06] fdoving: do I remember you have bluetooth? [06:06] my cellphone doesn't even have bluetooth...man I am cheap [06:07] a bluetooth usb adapter is fairly inexpensive...I can take my laptop to the mall and sit in the food court and borrow people's cell phones :D === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=kvirc@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:28] nice artwork/kdm in gutsy atm! [06:28] toma! [06:28] ola Hobbsee [06:28] toma: i like your idea, btw [06:29] hmm, which one ;-) ? [06:29] i'm full of idea [06:29] s [06:30] toma: the one about closing kde3 bugs, when kde4 releases [06:30] Hobbsee: you do? o allright. I expected some objections from packagers [06:31] Hobbsee: Until KDE4 is the default supported version in a released version of Kubuntu, I don't think we should do that. [06:32] ScottK: upstream b ugtracker [06:32] toma: wlel, if you're not going to fix the bugs anyway, what's the point in having them? [06:32] Ah. [06:32] all tehy do is sit there and rot [06:32] i cant see the point [06:32] toma: I am onboard with the kde3 bug closing as well...I know Phil Rodgriguez and I already talked about it and are planning on something similar in the next few months [06:33] Well until KDE4 is mature enough for mere mortals, don't be so sure you're done fixing KDE3. [06:34] kde 3.5.8 is pretty much it, unless it is security or grave [06:34] Hobbsee: i agree [06:34] nixternal: planning on something similar? [06:34] heh, there are still bugs from KDE 3.3 [06:34] stuff with KHC and docs right now [06:35] but I have been following the KDE bugsquad and I know some of them have stated something similar [06:36] the reactions on my blog are a bit mixed [06:36] i think a somewhat mild version of my proposal can make it [06:36] not sure how to proceed though [06:38] it will close the bugs in launchpad as well though [06:38] i dont know if you aer happy with that [06:38] toma: it'll close the upstream links [06:38] and we can close based off that [06:38] k [06:38] personally, if upstream arent going to fix them, and we arent either, then what's the point in keeping them open? [06:39] +1 [06:39] now i need someone to explain the klamav thread to me [06:40] What isn't clear? [06:40] What is not clear to me is why you dont want klamav to update its core [06:41] First, as a matter of policy, updates should be done within the packaging system. [06:41] So, it's normal to disable functionality that allows updates external to the packaging system. [06:41] So, I'd put it the other way, why should we allow it? [06:42] Additionally, I've discovered that clamav can easily be made to use a mix of /usr/local and system files from different versions and that can't be a good thing. [06:42] because i fear people will not have to right lines in the apt package manager to receive the updates at all and because people do not update every day [06:43] But to make the klamav approach work they also need to know enough to install the build-dependencies, which most people won't do either. [06:44] Also, -security is enabled by default and we've been very good about getting security updates for clamav done quickly. [06:44] why would people need to have build-deps? [06:44] Additionally, desktop av doens't have the same level of criticality on Linux desktops as it does on Windows desktops. [06:45] So they can build the new version of the software from source. [06:45] That's what klamav does, it fetches the new upstream release, builds, and installs it in /usr/local. [06:45] ahhh [06:45] that was not clear [06:46] i thought it jst received a binary blob which was a standalone part of the scanning [06:46] No. [06:46] Also, virus definitions are retrieved. [06:46] This is just for clamav engine upgrades. [06:46] right [06:47] thanks, i'll reply to the list after dinner to cancel my objections [06:48] OK. Great. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F86B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [07:30] conversation with su failed [07:30] what does that mean when trying to run add/remove in feisty? === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] actually that error is in edgy...jeesh [07:34] it means kdesu broke? [07:35] that is what I suspect [07:35] but he is supposedly getting this on a new system...trying to get him to upgrade === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-028.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180072090.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@217.80.248.107] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F86B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === nosredna [n=michael@02-187.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jc-denton [n=nils@84-72-100-171.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] is there a plan to implement spellchecking in klauncher? [09:32] which can correct errors with a distance of 1 or 2? [09:33] will it be able to compete with quicksilver (which katapult is not imho) [09:33] will the next kubuntu ship with kde4? [09:35] kubuntu 7.10? [09:35] yes [09:35] no. kde4 is not final [09:36] yes but it will be a bit after the release of the new kubuntu [09:36] so i ask myself if you will delay it a bit [09:37] It's been discussed and it's just not possible. [09:37] there will be inoffical kde4 upgrades === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-053.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] but they are not offically supported [09:38] The Kubuntu schedule is tied ot the Ubuntu schedule and there really is no mechanism to delay one without the other. [09:39] where? [09:39] what does mean not possible [09:39] of course it is [09:40] jc-denton: kubuntu.org offers inofficial kde upgrades [09:40] the have kde4 atm [09:40] but its just for testing [09:41] yes but i don't want inoffical stuff if i upgrade to a new distro [09:41] i'm already playing with them too [09:41] then you have to wait ;) [09:41] kde 4.0 wnt be that stable i think, so its even better if theres some time [09:41] no i'll switch to opensuse :P [09:42] (and waste my spare time with rpm dependencies) [09:42] do what you want ;9 [09:42] but nobody wants an old kde version with a new distro [09:42] jc-denton: KDE4 is very unstable by itself [09:43] jc-denton: everyone who likes just a stable OS likes an old kde version ;) [09:43] jc-denton: actually, everyone wants the system to "just work" without tweaking, and KDE4 doesn't offer it yet [09:44] jc-denton: if you are a KDE enthusiast, you can easily install KDE4 with just a few packages [09:44] mhb: I am convinced that isn't hat gentoo users like ;) [09:44] jc-denton: if you like the latest software sometimes with a lack of stability you can use sidux for example - or using the inofficial backports [09:44] i'm not an enthusiast, i'm just interested [09:44] *what [09:45] or gento - there you will have always the latest software [09:45] but kde4 will then be final (which i also have problems to imagine, since i played with the kde4 beta) [09:46] jc-denton: windows vista for example is also final [09:46] i dont need to say more, dont I? ;) [09:46] it's indeed very stable [09:46] jc-denton: you see, KDE4 has a beta available, but their "beta" is a lot different to the Kubuntu concept of "beta" version [09:46] ok maybe change topics [09:46] jc-denton: they don't have all the features there, which is a prerequisite for a beta [09:47] does anybody know about the new kde launcher [09:47] jc-denton: krunner? [09:47] mhb: microsoft? === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:47] jc-denton: no, KDE4 guys ... [09:48] yes i read about this [09:48] it will come available later [09:48] but that does not mean that 4.0 will be unstable [09:48] jc-denton: I'm afraid if KDE4.0 final will arrive at the planned date, it would be of "beta" quality for us [09:48] jc-denton: For those of us who use Kubuntu for actual work that we get paid for, I think Gutsy with KDE4 by default would be a disaster. [09:48] It'd be time for me to look for another distro. [09:48] Is Kubuntu 8.04 will be provide KDE4 as default? I'm just wondering. [09:49] sahin_h: depends on how stable kde4 is [09:49] If not, I don't mind. I'm really just wondering. [09:49] So is there hope for it? [09:49] ScottK: well kontact was and still is a desaster in every kubuntu distro ;) [09:50] ScottK: but i understand [09:50] jc-denton: Oddly enough I've used it as my primary mail client for over two years with no real problems. [09:51] Actually 1 + years on Kubuntu. [09:51] Opensuse and Xandros before that. [09:51] sahin_h: most likely not [09:51] jc-denton: you never moved many mails in an IMAP folder ... [09:51] ScottK: i don't belive you [09:51] sahin_h: Kubuntu 8.04 will be an LTS release, so we should try and make it an exceptionally stable release [09:51] we tried to use it at work [09:51] i meant ScottK [09:51] with kolab [09:51] it never worked [09:51] mhb: Well this is sad, however you are the developers. [09:51] TheInfinity: True. I use pop, not imap. [09:52] I won't switch to opensuse. ;-) [09:52] If jc-denton had said IMAP is Kmail really sucks, I'd have agreed. [09:52] ScottK: i have ca. 500 MB mails in imap [09:52] and there kmail really sucks === apachelogger_ [n=me@N804P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK agrees. [09:53] TheInfinity: ? [09:53] cached imap of course ;) [09:53] sahin_h: I am a developer now, but that wasn't true most of the time I'be used Kontact/Kmail. [09:53] ScottK: well i mean that [09:53] sahin_h: if you think KDE4 will be production-ready for you at its release or in Kubuntu 8.04, you can easily switch to it [09:53] nobody uses pop nowadays [09:53] and kolab uses imap for everything [09:53] Then I guess I'm nobody. [09:53] sahin_h: we will provide fully functional KDE4 packages. They just won't be the default. [09:54] jc-denton: lots of people use pop3 at home [09:54] yes my grandma [09:54] mhb: Ok. That's fine. [09:54] ;) [09:54] Every time I've tried IMAP I've lost mail. Doesn't matter what client I used. [09:54] sahin_h: but we will provide instructions on how to set KDE4 as default, so everyone can make the switch if they want [09:54] but if you have an own server or a network in a company you have imap ;) [09:54] mhb: Even better! [09:54] Well my company is the ideal size. Employees == 1. [09:54] mhb: That's will be fine for me. [09:55] ScottK: I just have an own server in net and make some web projects. and have imap mail ;) [09:58] ScottK: too bad for you, you need to do all the work yourself :D [09:59] just curious.. what kind of company is it, ScottK ? [09:59] I mostly do consulting in system engineering and also some SMTP related stuff. [10:00] And I'd rather do all the work myself than deal with trying to manage getting other people to do it for me. [10:01] system engineering == project management [10:03] maybe not == , but like that? [10:05] No more on the technical end of working out the details of how different complex system interact. [10:06] so you do coding? or sysadm related stuff? [10:06] Group A designs syste AA and Group B designs system BB. When in-service will AA and BB work together well and how to make it better. [10:06] I do some coding, but mostly for prototype work. [10:06] It's mostly design documentation. [10:07] ok [10:07] klauncher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv [10:07] i did as written on the kubuntu page [10:08] also with the export [10:08] i want to try out klauncher now!! :( [10:10] jc-denton: do you mean krunner? [10:11] yes [10:11] jc-denton: well why don't you test it then? [10:11] humm [10:11]