jhutchinsAssid: Notice the three commented lines at the top of the file in /peers.12:16
ryan_what was the kubuntu gutsy channel again ?12:16
jhutchinsAssid: These pass information to the client.12:16
runleveltenorpheus is really nice if you want a full player UI :)12:16
runleveltenie in a console.12:17
jhutchinsAssid: The line Server IP:benson uses DNS to return the IP of "benson".12:17
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stdinrunlevelten: yeah, VLC has an ncurses interface too :)12:17
Assidone sec12:17
jhutchinsAssid: You would probably either put the full IP of the destination server, or the fqdn.12:17
xsachahi, is there any way i can make kubuntu cache a copy of firefox so it starts faster? it's just every other program (either because it's cached or uses qt libraries) starts instantly and firefox is taking a few seconds12:18
runleveltenI didn't know that. I use orpheus for my c64mode player. It looks wicked in that commodore font.12:18
stdinxsacha: that's because firefox is staticly linked, so it had to load it's own librarys every time.12:19
jhutchinsAssid: for me the hard parts were getting the exact match between the "name" line in the peers file and the password line in the secrets file.12:19
ryan_firefox doesn't come with Kubuntu ?12:19
runleveltenxsacha: 1. Run firefox, 2. use kdocker to drop it in the tray. That is basically what a firefox preloader does anyway.12:20
stdinryan_: no, not by default12:20
stdinjust watch out for those forefox memory leeks12:20
jhutchinsryan_: By default jubuntu uses konqueror.12:20
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ryan_wow that sucks. How is Konqueror ? I haven't used it but assuming its not even close to firefox or am i wrong ?12:20
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stdinryan_: no, you are wrong12:21
xsacharunlevelten: ok12:21
stdinryan_: a lot of firefox's UI is based on konqueror12:21
killown|awayhow do I to install java on kubuntu? "I need it to start mercury messenger"12:21
ryan_Well thats a good thing then lol . I don't have to get firefox. It supports flash etc right ?12:21
stdinryan_: konqueror has had tabbed browsing for years and add blocking built in12:21
stdinryan_: konqueror supports flash and java. yes12:22
ryan_if i saved my bookmarks outta firefox can I import them easily in to konqueror12:22
Assidjhutchins: how do i do the serverip12:22
jhutchinsryan_: firefox handles some javascript pages a little better, that's probably something I could fix if i wanted to.12:22
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jhutchinsAssid: ok, where i have "# Server IP: benson", replace "benson" with the IP.12:23
runleveltenxsacha: you may need to configure your default browser so it always opens in an existing firefox, too.12:23
Assiddoi need the # ?12:23
jhutchinsin /etc/ppp/peers/benson12:23
jhutchinsAssid: Yes.12:23
jhutchinsAssid: It's wierd, but it needs commented commands to work.12:23
Assidokay done12:24
Assidstill doesnt work12:24
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stdinryan_: firefox just stores it's bookmarks as html files, konqueror can then read that and import them12:24
Assidjhutchins: lets do this tomorrow.. its almost 4 am here12:24
Assidi bet sleep deprivation is contributing12:24
jhutchinsAssid: Sure.12:24
runleveltenxsacha: actually, scratch that, you don't need to any more12:24
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Assidthanks mate.. appreciate it12:24
jhutchinsWow.  It's 5:24 PM here.12:25
xsacharunlevelten: ok :P12:25
runleveltenxsacha: and now I have instantly starting ff too - thanks, heh12:25
xsachausing kdocker?12:25
Assidjhutchins: yeah.. its called INTERNET12:25
Assidthey really should get kvpnc working12:26
Assida nice dialer makes the difference to people12:26
Assidspecially if linux does want to get more corporate desktops behind them12:26
runleveltenkdocker hides the running ff you need to be tidy12:26
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runleveltenwho is linux? How do you get stuff behind them?12:27
jhutchinsAssid: The problems are that ppp is an increasingly obsolete protocol, and the tools have been moving and changing without getting cleaned up.12:27
jhutchinsAssid: I agree, and will see if I can file a bugreport on it.12:27
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saylarhey guys12:28
jhutchinsAssid: Erm, actually, I have one filed, I'll see if I can get someone to look at it.12:28
Assidpick your brains in the AM if your up12:28
saylarsomeone here familiar with fdisk?12:28
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runleveltenhello saydar :)12:28
jhutchinsAssid: It worked fine in the previous release, but got out of sync with the back-end.12:28
Assidi cant access my box if it goes down12:28
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saylari'm having trouble creating partitions, mostly i'm an idiot ;)12:28
Assidno vpn.. no access to remote12:29
jhutchinsAssid: I'm mostly here 16:00 - 01:00 GMT12:29
xsacharunlevelten: mm so the trick is to use minimise instead of quit whenever you want to close firefox?12:29
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Assidjhutchins: kudos..12:29
jhutchinsSpeaking of which, time to go feed the horses.  l8r all.12:29
runleveltenxsacha: Yeah, just keep an instance loaded :)12:30
saylaris it even possible to have 5 different partitions on one physical hdd?12:30
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xsachait'd be good if whenever i quit, it loaded up a new one in kdocker12:30
ryan_Kubuntu on startup gets about half way across the progress bar then kinda hangs for a good 1-2 minutes. It does eventually boot fine but is there a way I can speed that up at all ?12:30
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dediim looking for an alternate kliibdo12:31
xsacharyan_: hang? :\ for 1-2 minutes? when exactly? the splash screen?12:32
surgyi have mplayer and i have vlc and i have all of the libdvd modules, why cant i watch the 300?12:32
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xsachatakes less than a minute to get to workable desktop from pressing power button12:32
ryan_part where it says Kubuntu with the loading bar12:32
xsachasomethin bad there :(12:32
ryan_goes half way then stays there for awhile12:32
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surgyanyone have any ideas?12:33
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runleveltenxsacha: Easily done by wrapping firefox in a script - that's a lot of unnecessary overhead, though12:33
stdinsurgy: have the libdvdcss2 one?12:33
xsacharyan_: theres a way to see the text output instead.. i forgot key combo. then you'd be able to see what it spending all that time12:33
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xsacharunlevelten: alright12:33
surgystdin: thats not even an install candidate12:34
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runleveltenI'm sure there's another docker xsacha, that lets you turn the close button into "dock"12:34
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stdinsurgy: yes, I know, you have to install that for encrypted DVDs tho12:34
stdinsurgy: it's technically illegal in the US...12:35
surgyhow do i get it if its not in the repos?12:35
runleveltenxsacha: alltray12:35
runleveltenworks just fine. the close button is docking it12:35
stdinsurgy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages12:35
xsachabut that'll happen for all apps or just firefox?12:36
runleveltenonly for apps you dock12:36
ryan_yea im hoping watching my dvd's and divx movies on my laptop is as easy as it was under ubuntu running gnome. When i opened one it had me download some drivers that fixed them all in on e shot12:36
stdinsurgy: actually, you can just do "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh"12:36
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runleveltenxsacha: once you've told it where the close button is on windows, on your firts run, you can stick a script with the following in .kde/Autostart12:37
runleveltenalltray firefox12:37
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xsachammm sometimes clicking x in corner puts it on dock and sometimes it quits12:38
runleveltenthen you'll get it started with kde, and firefox will appear nice and quickly when you open pages, and dock when you click the x12:38
xsachait's like i have to press it exactly in the centre12:38
runleveltenxsacha: really? I can't reproduce that here...12:39
runleveltenwhat window decoration are you using? I use crystal12:39
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xsachalooks like this: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2876/firefoxqi8.png12:41
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xsachamm no it seems to be just random.. i click in centre and it still quits sometimes12:41
runleveltenweird, can't get that to happen on mine12:44
xsachai get this after running alltray -configure and selecting the X again:   (alltray:6786): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Segmentation fault (core dumped)12:45
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xsachamm it's working now :D12:46
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sayersis avi a restricted format?12:50
yeniklasorstdin : How to remote desktop with another Kubuntu(on network) ?12:50
runleveltentime to game before sleep. night all :)12:51
sayersyeniklasor: why not do it on that computer12:51
sayersyeniklasor: Never mind, sorry read that completly wrong12:51
sayersI thought you said remove.12:51
stdinsayers: avi isn't a format, it's a "container" it can use any number of different codecs, some (most) of which are restricted12:51
sayersLearn something new everydya12:52
stdinyeniklasor: I just use SSH to do that12:52
stdinyeniklasor: there is VNC too12:52
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX12:52
yeniklasorok how to ssh? "ssh usr@" like this?12:53
sayersstdin: And what would I need to view the avi movie?12:53
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stdinyeniklasor: yep, but that will give you command line access only, add "-Y" after "ssh" to be able to start graphical applications12:53
wolferineanyone want to assist with setting up my webcam, I have been reading all day and it doesnt look like I can get it by myself12:54
stdinsayers: depends on the codec12:54
sayersin /genral/12:54
yeniklasorstdin : thanks for all12:54
stdinsayers: you probably need the w32codecs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/StreamingVideo#w32codecs12:55
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stdinyeniklasor: ofcource you need to have the ssh server installed on the remote system12:55
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stdinyeniklasor: the "ssh" package will set that up if you haven't got it12:56
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yeniklasormy kubuntu server laptop has it I think. Now rebooting12:57
xsachawhat about KDRC?12:57
sayersthat worked stdin12:57
sayersThanks very much so12:57
stdinsayers: no problem :)12:58
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stdinRDC/VNC are good if you need the whole desktop on a remote display, but for single applications and such SSH has much less overhead12:58
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xsachacan you get a graphical connection with ssh?12:59
stdinI use it all the time12:59
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wolferinewebcam, anyone?01:00
xsachastdin: what's the command?01:00
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xsachacant see it in man01:00
stdinxsacha: both the -X and the -Y switches will allow you to do X11 forwarding01:01
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stdinxsacha: eg: I use "ssh -Y stdin@goku" to run applications from my server (called goku)01:01
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yeniklasorstdin : "ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection refused"01:02
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stdinyeniklasor: have sshd installed ? it's not installed by default, the "ssh" package installs it01:02
yeniklasoris it possible to download or upload a file from ssh server or ssh client ?01:04
stdinyeniklasor: yes, that's what the command "scp" does01:05
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stdinyeniklasor: you can do it from konqueror too, "sftp://user@server"01:05
yeniklasoroh that is great01:06
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holycowman, every time01:07
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holycowi've started using konversation and its amazing how much more advanced it is over xchat01:07
holycowthis happens over and over again every time i compare gnome versus kde apps01:07
holycowas much as i like gnome this is just an interesting phenomenon01:08
xsachawhat changed recently? konversation looks same to me :)01:08
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holycowprobably nothing, i'm a new user.  konversation just works01:08
xsachasame as about november last year anyway01:08
holycowin xchat if i need to join two different networks i haveto open two windows01:08
holycowin konversation it works how i was expecting it to01:09
xsachareally? 2 windows to join 2 networks?01:09
stdinkonversation is much cleaner and less '90s feeling :p01:09
xsachai thought xchat had it all in 1, same as konvo01:09
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holycowi couldnt' find a way to set that up, it was totally annoying anyway01:10
yeniklasorstdin : it says there is no sshd package01:10
xsachasshd is in the ssh package01:10
stdinyeniklasor: yes, like I said, it's called "ssh"01:10
holycowxchat JUST got the 'tree view' of the channels like 6 months ago too01:10
holycowi bet konversatio nhad that for ages01:10
xsachatree view?01:10
xsachalike server and then underneath it   -  channelname    - channel2name01:11
holycowon the left hand side yeah01:11
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holycowinstead of tabs01:11
xsachado you know that is no longer the default in konversation for kubuntu now? :O01:12
holycowappearently but at least i can switch it back01:12
xsachaapparently it wasnt default in standard konversation before, have to change it in options01:12
holycowi don't understand why tabbed view is preffered, that makes no sense to me01:12
xsachai dont know why it isnt default though.. looks better than the tabs underneath01:12
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holycowthe only thing i don't like about kde developers is they insist on using every window margin to stick fricking tabs and widgets in01:12
xsachai emailed the maintainer about it and he gave me about 3 reasons01:12
holycowvery annoying but still01:12
stdinxsacha: because a few (vocal) people complained all over the kde.org bug tracker01:12
holycowstdin: really?01:13
holycowwhat assholes thats so stupid01:13
stdin"ooh, it doesn't fit in to the default KDE"01:13
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stdinso change it that, gah01:13
holycowevery irc client on the planet has the tree view as default, its what people expect01:13
holycowwell as long as it can be changed back, no biggie01:13
MinatakuDr_willis: Heya01:14
xsachatree view: http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2107/konversationyc1.png01:14
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xsachaThe two primary reasons for the bottom default setting are as follows: - Tab bars are the more prevalent interface element for applications of this nature throughout KDE, such as Kopete and Konsole.01:16
xsacha- The left-hand alternative was primarily added for users who run into the space constraints of the bottom tab bar due to having many channels open. For a scenario with only a few channels, on the other hand, it's a poor use of space.01:16
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leushow do i install or upgrade my kde 3.5.6 to kde401:18
leushow do i install or upgrade my kde 3.5.6 to kde4?... pls.01:18
xsachaleus: using feisty or gutsy?01:18
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stdinleus: KDE4 isn't out yet01:18
stdinleus: only a beta01:18
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stdinleus: and you can't replace KDE3x with KDE401:19
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xsachaleus: you can install kde4 beta along side kde3 in feisty or gutsy and then run it in a nested X server (Xephyr)01:19
unclemike? anyone useing kde4.0 beta101:19
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xsachainstructions are here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php01:20
stdinalso in the /topic :)01:20
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unclemikei was just woundering how kde4.0 is01:22
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stdinit's not kde 4.0 yet :) and it's still very beta01:23
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unclemikeits kde4.0 beta101:23
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stdinunclemike: no, it's kde4 beta 1, kde4.0 hasn't been released01:24
unclemikeor download each opackage is kde 3.9201:24
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kubuntui just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that?01:24
hitmanWillykubuntu, try konq01:25
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kubuntuoh damn, i just uninstalled konq. thanks hitman01:25
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Xera^Does this mean anything to anyone?01:26
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stdinXera^: what application?01:26
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hitmanWillyXera^, mono error, looks like, what were you running?01:27
Xera^Slavehack proggy01:27
Xera^Want me to upload?01:27
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hitmanWillynever heard of it01:27
Xera^Probably not01:27
stdinis it from the repositories ?01:27
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Xera^No, stdin01:28
stonedhow hard is it to install flash on 64bit01:28
Xera^Not hard01:28
stdinXera^: then you'd have to report that to the people that make/distribute it01:28
stonedXera^: what do i have to do01:28
hitmanWillyat least not anymore01:28
stonedstdin: howdy01:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:28
ubotuAMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.01:28
stdinstoned: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava01:28
stonedyou rock01:28
stdinyes, I know :P01:28
hitmanWillyugh, rebuilding my gentoo box right now, heh...01:29
kubuntu-e Starting wicrawl installation:01:29
kubuntuInstalling base files in:   [/usr/local/wicrawl] 01:29
kubuntuInstalling binaries in:     [/usr/sbin] 01:29
kubuntuInstalling config files in: [/etc/wicrawl] 01:29
kubuntuInstalling docs in:         [/usr/share/doc/wicrawl] 01:29
kubuntu# Directories, perl modules, and conf files01:29
kubuntu/usr/bin/install: cannot stat `discovery/apcore': No such file or directory01:29
kubuntumake: *** [install]  Error 101:29
kubuntu****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.01:29
kubuntuanyone know about checkinstall01:29
Xera^Don't paste in the channel.. :|01:29
stdin!paste | kubuntu01:29
ubotukubuntu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:29
stonedif I do all this kubuntu will have amd64 + java + flash?01:30
kubuntusorry bout that01:30
stdinstoned: yeah01:30
stonedI am booted under ubuntu amd6401:30
stonedcan i just pop in the kubuntu 64 cd? or must I reboot with kubuntu 64?01:30
greenkoboldi have downloaded a .deb file, i cant install it by clicks because it prompts that it requires some dependencies01:30
greenkoboldhow do i install those dependencies?01:31
kubuntusudo apt-get -f install01:31
hitmanWillystoned, ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distro with different apps01:31
kubuntufor dpends01:31
stdingreenkobold: try "sudo apt-get -f install" in konsole01:31
stonedI don't want ANY gnome CRAP installed01:31
stdinstoned: install kubuntu-desktop and the follow www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde01:32
hitmanWillystoned, ok, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && apt-get autoremove01:32
kubuntucheckinstall never works for me anyone know about it?01:32
hitmanWillystoned, while in sudo -i01:32
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stdinkubuntu: you'll have to report your errors to the people that make it01:32
DJAnubissomeone here may be more helpful -.-01:32
DJAnubisI need help using GParted01:33
Sannestoned: I also prefer KDE, but that doesn't mean GNOME is crap. That's not a nice attitude.01:33
kubuntustdin - does checkinstall work for u?01:33
stoneddoes overclocking affect 64bit differently?01:33
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stonedif you get erros in kubuntu and apps shut down or crash could be because of that?01:33
stonedfrom 1866 mhz to 3500mhz01:33
stdinkubuntu: most of the time, but I prefer to "debianize" the packages01:33
greenkoboldstdin: strange, I though that command was wrong, for I could have many diferent .deb files on the sabe directory, so what would the system understand01:33
stoned32bit runs solid, however I get errors in 64bit01:33
stonedanyone know anything bout this?01:33
kubuntui thought thats what checkinstall did. debanize01:34
hitmanWillystoned, 64 bit is still a bit buggy01:34
stdinkubuntu: not a proper .deb, it's just a wrapper for "make install"01:34
saylarruns smooth on my server ;)01:34
hitmanWillystoned, plus 32 bit doesn't stress the cpu as much01:34
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kubuntustdin: if i make on my own, it doesnt work either01:35
stonedso maybe I should clock down?01:35
stdingreenkobold: that command is just used to fix dependencies, you already tried to install a deb but it needed other packages, so apt got them for you then continued the install01:35
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stonedi have only 1gb ram01:35
stoneddoes that effect 64bit performanc?01:35
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hitmanWillystoned, that's plenty01:36
stdinkubuntu: it won't work if the package won't compile/install normally01:36
stonedhow about X1900xtx driver01:36
stonedfglrx under 64bit?01:36
DJAnubiscan someone PM me if they can help me with GPArted, I'm sick from looking at the text go by01:36
stonedit works?01:36
kubuntuive tried several .tgz installs to no avail01:36
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hitmanWillystoned, fglrx is crap normally...01:36
stonedwell im sorry01:36
stdinDJAnubis: it would be better if you actually asked the question01:37
stonedbut that is the card I bought01:37
hitmanWillystoned, probably more so under 6401:37
stonedcuz im an idiot01:37
stonedi guess i'll just run 32bit then01:37
hitmanWillystoned, im not trying to insult you, im just saying that the driver has issues01:37
greenkoboldhum, thanks stdin, that was great01:37
stonedhitmanWilly: i know01:37
stonedhitmanWilly: did I come off as defensive?01:37
stonedmy bad01:37
kubuntui have 64 but only use 3201:37
hitmanWillystoned, its ok :)01:38
stonedso 32 or 64?01:38
hitmanWillystoned, if its any consolation to you, im setting up a 64 bit gentoo box right now :P01:38
stonedyou decide for me01:38
hitmanWillystoned, sorry, we're not M$ here01:38
stonedmay I ask you to suggest then?01:39
stonednot decide01:39
stdinstoned: you'll probably have less trouble with 32bit tbh (but it's your choice :P )01:39
stonedI bought this cheap piece of crap cpu so I can overclock it01:39
hitmanWillystoned, if it was me, I would stick to 32 unless you really know what you're doing01:39
stonedI figured, 64bit would be twice as fast01:40
stonedcuz its 32+3201:40
hitmanWillystoned, especially on a buntu machine01:40
stdinstoned: you know overclocking can damage the CPU (and possibly RAM)?01:40
stonedstdin: really?01:40
stonedyou are joking!?01:40
stonedwow, you actually fell for tht01:40
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stdinstoned: read about it on wikipedia01:41
stonedI have a massive 900gram copper block with 8 heatpipes01:41
holycowstoned 64 isn't actually twice as fast01:41
saylaryou never know stoned, this is the interwebs ;)01:41
stonedI have 8 fans in my system01:41
holycowinfact 64 bit is sometimes slower for the same tasks01:41
saylarpeople do all kinds of crazy stuff01:41
stdinstoned: heat isn't the only cause of damage...01:41
holycowthere are actually very few things that can actually use 64 bit cpus properly01:41
holycow3d rendering, large databases, video editing apps are a few that are suited for that task01:41
stonedI have a successful overclock, almost 1 year running 24/7 solid from 1866mhz core 2 duo d6300 to 3500mhz01:41
stonedI have fan on my northbridge heatsink01:42
stonedturst me, I know how to OC01:42
stonedI just don'tk now 64bit as much01:42
stdinstoned: just saying01:42
stonedor how it works or affects anything01:42
holycowfor the average desktoip application, even if it is recompiled for 64 bit support, it a) isn't programmed for 64 bit support and franklly doesn't really need 64 bit support01:42
stonedi appreciate your concern01:42
stonedhell, my mobo doesn't even have solid state capacitors01:42
stonedi like to live da vida loca01:42
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stonedmy last one I overclocked, after 4 years of working great, the capacitors blew up01:43
stonedit was like a gunshot01:43
stonedpurple smoke01:43
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hitmanWillyuh oh, the magic smoke escaped!01:43
stonedbut still, I got 4 years out of that machine, and it ran great.  50% oc on that one01:43
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stdinonly 4 years, I have toasters older :p01:43
stoned50% oc for 4 years nonstop and THEN it blew up01:44
DJAnubisI need help using GParted, I want to move the unallocated space from place 4 to the install at place 201:44
DJAnubis1|2      |3            |4      |01:44
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stonedwhy do I even need to install ubuntu01:44
DJAnubis1 is linux swtich01:44
stonedlive cd is just as good01:44
stonedjust slower01:44
DJAnubisalot slower01:44
DJAnubis2 is the install01:45
DJAnubis3 is windows01:45
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hitmanWillystoned, and installing stuff is a pain01:45
DJAnubis4 is unallocated01:45
saylarDJAnubis, you may wanna try the livecd01:45
DJAnubisI am01:45
saylaroh *g*01:45
DJAnubisI need help actually USING it01:45
stonedI could extract the kernel/initrd from the cd and then copy the iso on the disk and try to boot the iso through kernel through grub01:45
stonedso maybe i don't have to run live cd from cd01:45
stonedmaybe its possible i have not looked into it01:45
stonedis it?01:45
MinatakuDr_willis: You around?01:46
hitmanWillystoned, actually, yeah, it probably is01:46
stdinstoned: yeah, you can run from hdd01:46
stonedI was pl aying oblivion01:46
stonedso I installed windows xp, and blah blah, all my porn was on ext301:46
hitmanWillystoned, you can mount iso's as filesystems, so yeah, should be01:46
DJAnubisso, can anyone help me???01:46
stonedso I mounted ext3 with ext2ifs kernel driver01:46
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stonedbut windows is windows, it shut down crashed, and i got errors in my 500gb ext3 disk01:47
stonedso it took me almost a whole night, I went to bed, but it was runniung fsck all night01:47
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stonedfinally got my ext3 volume fixed, and now I'm trying to decide weather to dual boot for gaming, or try something else so that ext3 disk is always available under window01:47
stoneddid I say porn01:47
stonedI meant movies/music01:47
DJAnubisdamnit, I need some fucking assistance, I don't want to hear about someone's porn recovery story, I've got a bloody headache01:48
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hitmanWillyDJAnubis, sorry, not really an expert on that particular app01:48
stonedit was a joke dude01:48
stdinDJAnubis: watch the language..01:48
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DJAnubisI still have a headache from this stupid situation01:48
kamva881Hi all, I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png01:48
stonedDJAnubis: how about this01:48
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stonedDJAnubis: go get a drink, take a few deep breaths, relax and come back to tackle the problem with a clamer mind01:48
kamva881I use a german key board01:49
stonedDJAnubis: what exactly do you want to know01:49
DJAnubisyeah, that always works01:49
DJAnubisI just told you01:49
stonedyou did not tellme anything01:49
DJAnubisbut you blocked it up with your story dude01:49
stonedin fact, you never addressed me ever01:49
DJAnubisokay, I'll say it again01:49
hitmanWillyDJAnubis, and as far as doing that non-destructively, im not sure if its even possible01:49
DJAnubis(11:44:10 PM) DJAnubis: I need help using GParted, I want to move the unallocated space from place 4 to the install at place 201:49
DJAnubis(11:44:26 PM) DJAnubis: 1|2      |3            |4      |01:49
saylaris it ext3?01:50
kamva881Anybody who can help me with that problems.. Thanks in advanec01:50
stonedI use windows tools to move partitions01:50
DJAnubis2 is ext301:50
stonedlike, partition magic01:50
DJAnubispartition magic won't touch linux01:50
stonedit won't?01:50
DJAnubisit's paranoid of it01:50
stonedlife is a biznatch01:50
DJAnubisI already tried01:50
stonedget used to it01:50
stonedis there a #parted?01:51
stonedif so, try asking there01:51
stdinDJAnubis: then you must have a very old version of it, I have one from a few years ago that loves linux01:51
DJAnubiswell, just kinda thought, you know, somebody in all of freenode would know something about this program01:51
Xera^This is going to sound so stupid but I forgot my MySQL root password, how do I reset it? :|01:52
stonedis there a way to convert ext3 to ntfs01:52
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stoneddon't hit me01:52
stonedjust asking...01:52
saylarDJAnubis, look at this article. maybe it helps01:52
saylarthis is how i did couple of hours ago01:52
saylarroyal pain in the ass ;)01:52
stdinXera^: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset01:53
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DJAnubissaylar, thank you for providing some light on this incredibly open subject01:53
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saylarno worries man. i know how annoying this issue is. and it seemed so trivial in the beginning, didn't it? ;)01:54
stonedi got xp home, pro, vista, debian etch, ubuntu, kubuntu, and all the respective 64bit editions01:54
DJAnubisthe best part of this page is the "windows Server 2003" ad in the middle01:54
stonednow what do i want as my desktop01:54
saylarget adblock DJAnubis01:55
stonedwhat to do, what to do /me scratches head01:55
DJAnubiswell, it's this, or reinstall ubuntu01:55
saylari haven't seen ads for years01:55
DJAnubisI don't want adblock01:55
DJAnubisI don't use the internet enough to do that01:55
saylarso you like ads?01:55
DJAnubisI just play games and program a little01:55
ryan_so does the Kaffeine player not play much or what??  It wont play my mp301:56
saylaradblock is an extension for firefox, just one click to install it01:56
kamva881Hi all, I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png01:56
ryan_or divx.. Vlc seemed to play both fine01:56
DJAnubisI don't need it, besides, this is the liveCD01:56
kamva881I am also using a German Keyboard.. is this problem any way related to it01:56
saylarah, ok.01:56
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unlovedpandahi all :)01:57
DJAnubissaylar, thanks anyways01:57
DJAnubisI'm just gonna reinstall ubuntu01:57
saylargood luck ;)01:57
unlovedpandaim having troubles installing 6.06 on my twinhead h12y laptop01:57
DJAnubisalso the main #ubuntu channel is so crowded and nobody answers01:57
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ryan_so does the Kaffeine media player usually play those files or should I be using vlc etc01:57
wolferinecan someone help with setting up my webcam, I believe the incorrect drivers are the issue01:58
BiovoreI like vlc over kaffeine. I use mplayer for most video applications though..01:58
unlovedpandaim in the install console and need to rm 8139too.ko but cant navigate to where it is meant to be :p01:58
unlovedpandaanyone know where it is?01:58
ryan_but does kaffeine usually play divx, mp3, etc after the restricted codecs are installed?01:58
ryan_cause mine wont01:58
wolferineunderdog5004, locate filename01:58
Biovoreunlovedpanda: /lib/modules/<kernel_Version>/drivers/net01:58
BiovoreI think01:59
unlovedpandaBiovore : what is the kernel version :p01:59
Biovoretype uname -a01:59
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stonedI'm not in the gaming mood02:00
stonedI guess I'll ditch xp for now02:00
unlovedpandaBiovore : cant cd to drivers :(02:00
ryan_man I didn't think it would be a big deal switching from Ubuntu to Kubuntu... Quite a difference though02:00
stonedI got a ghosted copy on a usb disk02:00
wolferinesomeone, help with setting up my webcam?02:00
unlovedpandaBiovore : do you know why?02:01
stdinwolferine: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam ?02:01
wolferinestdin, yep02:01
jamonationunlovedpanda: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net02:02
stdinwolferine: and you can't see it ?02:02
wolferinestdin, I know I can get it to work, I had it before02:02
Biovoreunlovedpanda: /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net02:02
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BiovoreThats where it is on my computer here..02:02
unlovedpandathank you, sorry i should have double checked :p02:02
wolferinestdin, easycam fails on making02:02
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jamonationBiovore's computer != unlovedpanda's computer02:02
stdinwolferine: making?02:02
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wolferinestdin, make install actually02:03
kev_i recently added kubuntu on a sony vaio laptop that uses windows vista as an OS02:03
kev_anyone know if vista could still be functional?02:03
ryan_how does it run?02:03
Biovorekev_: It is here..02:03
ryan_oh. Well vista should be there unless you wiped the drive02:04
stdinwolferine: what error?02:04
Biovoretry sudo make install :-P02:04
ryan_grub boot menu should show it at start up. It did on one of my other pcs02:04
saylarkev_, kubuntu should have installed grub, a boot manager02:04
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kamva881Can any one help me please ?02:05
zarilionHi! I'm having some problems with amarok. When i try to start it, the icon just bumps up and down for a while then dissapears. When i try to start it from the terminal nothing happenes. Does anyone have an idea on whats wrong ?02:05
wolferine'Ereur lors de la commande Make Install'02:05
wolferine!ask | kamva88102:05
ubotukamva881: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)02:05
kev_only thing is that im scared that when i open vista i get a menu, but it wont open unless it does a full check on the hardware02:05
kev_n im not sure if it will format the memory02:05
kamva881I have already asked my question three times02:05
kamva881nobody responded yet.. any ways.. here it is02:06
ryan_So did anyone else go from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and have some transition issues between Gnome and Kubuntu. Seemed like it was alot harder getting kde setup the way i needed it.02:06
Biovorekev_: you don't format memory.. memory gets reset when you reboot the computer..02:06
wolferine!patience | kamva88102:06
kamva881I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png02:06
ubotukamva881: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines02:06
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wolferinestdin, 'Ereur lors de la commande Make Install'02:06
Biovorekev_: Vista shouldn't care linux is on the disk with it..  all the hardware is still the same..02:06
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kev_alright, ill try it n hope it doesnt do anything to it ...02:07
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kamva881ubotu@ I completely understand that and appreaciate the fact that you help people like me..02:07
stdinwolferine: english ?02:07
Xera^Is there way to get the middle-click scroll thingy in Firefox?02:07
kamva881wolferine: I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png02:08
wolferinestdin, thats the error02:08
stdinkamva881: ubotu is a bot02:08
stonedim gonna try 64bit02:08
stdinwolferine: what does that mean in english ?02:08
kamva881stdin: I realised that just now :-)02:08
wolferinestdin, its an error during Make install02:08
wolferinestdin, as I previously stated02:09
stdinwolferine: was that with  "sudo make install" ?02:09
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aguitelis anyone have nerolinux full version with valid serial?02:10
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Biovoreno one really uses nerolinux..02:10
Biovorek3b works better for most things..02:10
wolferinestdin, no, thats within the 'easycam' applictaion02:10
stdinaguitel: why would you want nerolinux? K3B is much better02:10
aguitelit freeze    now02:10
stdinwolferine: no, was the command you put in "sudo make install" or just "make install" ?02:11
unlovedpandaBiovore : very odd, i cant seem to get into /net ... only goes as far as /drivers02:11
wolferinestdin, thanks for your assistance :)02:11
Biovoreunlovedpanda: whats in drivers?02:12
unlovedpandano idea ... i cant do dir ...02:12
Biovoretry ls02:12
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BluesKajevening folks02:12
Biovorealso I noticed you were talking out rm some kernel module..  you probably don't want to do that..02:13
unlovedpandai do, cause it screws the install02:13
Biovoreyou on the live cd?02:13
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unlovedpandakubuntu alternate02:13
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BiovoreI don't know if you can remove it from there.. the cd is read-only02:13
stdinsaki_knin: ??02:14
unlovedpandaabout to find out :p02:14
saki_knini just wach it. gret video02:14
stdin!offtopic | saki_knin02:14
ubotusaki_knin: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!02:14
stdinsaki_knin: that's nothing to do with kubuntu support02:15
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saki_kninyou dont know :)02:15
saki_kninsoe day02:16
stdinwho doesn't know what?02:16
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saki_kninthis video02:16
unlovedpandaBiovore : is rm /net/8139too.ko from /drivers the same as rm 8139too.ko?02:16
stdinsaki_knin: it's nothing to do with kubuntu ot kubuntu support, take it elsewhere02:17
Biovoreunlovedpanda: probably..02:17
saylari can't believe that everything is working like i wanted02:18
Biovoreunlovedpanda: you can use rmmod 8139too.ko to remove the module from the kernel after it gets loaded.02:18
saylarnow setting up a backup system is the next issue. any suggestions?02:18
stdinBiovore, unlovedpanda: rmmod 8139too, not 8139too.ko02:18
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Biovoreyeah thats it..02:19
stdin!backup | saylar02:19
ubotusaylar: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning02:19
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saylaroh, thx stdin :)02:19
ryan_speaking of backup is there a way to image your current setup kinda like making restore cd/dvd's02:19
ryan_in Kubuntu02:19
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stdinryan_: see the same links above02:19
Biovoreryan_: well basicly you could tar up your hole harddisk..02:20
Xera^Create new database: Documentation02:20
Xera^No Privileges02:20
Xera^MySQL is broken02:20
Xera^I'm logged in as root02:20
Biovoreit works here..02:20
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Biovoremysql -u root -p ?02:21
stdinXera^: looked at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-39085275bc28194cca77d021ec362ff3003b10bc ?02:21
unlovedpandastdin : with rmmod can i add a dir prefix to the filename? rmmod /net/8139too for example?02:21
Biovoreunlovedpanda: no directory..  the module name is done via a module map..02:21
ryan_is there quite a few in here on laptops or mostly desktops? Seems like linux on the desktop is always easy to setup and a pain on the portables02:21
stdinunlovedpanda: no, you don't need to do that (it wouldn't work anyway)02:21
Biovoreunlovedpanda: when you say 8139too  it know what your talking about..02:22
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Xera^stdin: it worked before trying that mysql root reset thing..02:22
unlovedpandabut the dir isnt create until the module is extracted ... but then i have about 2 seconds to type rmmod 8139too before the install crashes02:22
unlovedpandaill try02:22
jhutchinsunlovedpanda: Somehow I think you might be going after the wrong thing to fix your problem.02:24
unlovedpandastdin Biovore : i cant use rmmod cause im in the install console and it doesnt exist02:24
jhutchinsunlovedpanda: What are you actually trying to do?02:24
Biovoreyeah, the install cd isn't a full linux setup..02:24
unlovedpanda(jhutchins : install onto my twinhead h12y laptop02:25
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jhutchinsunlovedpanda: Are you using the alternative CD?02:25
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stdinwhy do you need to rmmod on the install ?02:26
Biovoreunlovedpanda: you have a realtek nic?02:27
unlovedpandajhutchins : yes02:27
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unlovedpandai have an intel wireless card02:27
Biovore^ I think the module is locking up the installer on his computer..02:27
unlovedpandayes it is02:27
Biovoreworks fine here..02:27
BiovoreI have the same one02:27
unlovedpandawell it lock mine up02:27
stdinwell the 8139too module is for realtek ethernet02:27
Biovore8139too is for realtek nics..02:27
unlovedpandathis is a known problem02:27
stdinnot wireless02:27
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unlovedpanda=/ ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51557402:28
jhutchinsunlovedpanda: Is there a way you can tell it not to set up networking?02:28
xsachaon alternate cd, use:  brokenmodules=8139too    straight away and install should be fine02:28
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unlovedpandait hangs on detecting network hardware02:28
unlovedpandaxsacha : will try now, thanks :)02:29
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stdinunlovedpanda: what does making a custom liveCD have to do with what you're doing?02:29
mileshey guys i am depressed!02:29
unlovedpanda(stdin : sry, wrong url02:29
milesi mean, i am just really depressed here!02:29
jhutchinsxsacha: Wonderful!02:29
jhutchinsxsacha: That's like a kernel boot parameter?02:29
jhutchinsunlovedpanda: Paying attention?02:30
Biovoreyup.. the installer will detect it though..02:30
unlovedpandaa philips x56 == twinhead h12y02:30
jhutchinsxsacha: Where then?"02:30
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milesi mean, i am jus so depressed!02:30
unlovedpandajhutchins : yes02:30
xsachao sorry, yes*02:30
stdinmiles: talk about that in #kubuntu-offtopic02:30
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unlovedpandaxsacha : do i just add that in the boot options?02:31
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stoned~I am installin... wtf is with this tilde02:32
stonedI am installing kubuntu64 now.  is there a way to edit the menu.lst before I reboot because I want to take the bootsplash kernel param out02:32
stdinstoned: the tribes are gutsy alphas02:33
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stdinstoned: mount the root partition and edit it02:33
stonedI friggin hate that bootsplash02:33
stonedin fact, I want a ramdisk without a bootsplash02:33
ryan_so i installed the restricted formats through add/remove software yet Amarok still wont play mp3's02:33
ryan_says no mp3 support02:33
xsachaunlovedpanda: might be interested in this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showpost.php?s=8773253bef8e9b04a200238653cdb863&p=2745519&postcount=2302:33
unlovedpandaxsacha : it still froze on Detecting network hardware ...02:34
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:34
stdinryan_: feisty: libxine1-ffmpeg, edgy/dapper: libxine-extracodecs02:34
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ryan_I already have my cd's archived to mp3 so im not converting them... Rythmbox played them fine under Feisty.02:34
ryan_stdin is that a command i run?02:34
BluesKajryan_: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs02:35
stdinryan_: no, those are the packages you need02:35
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xsachaunlovedpanda: also this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-376391.html02:35
jhutchinsryan_: If you still have that problem, rm ~/.xine02:35
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ryan_why didn't they make it like Gnome where if you try to open it tells you whats going on and gives you options.. Just kinda weird02:36
ryan_do i need to logout or reboot after those codecs install ?02:36
stdinryan_: amarok is supposed to do that02:36
xsachaunlovedpanda: "I managed to install Kubuntu by blacklisting, forcing and text installing. Then I spend a few more hours trying to get the WIFI to work...and suddenly it started working."02:36
stdinryan_: just restart the application after02:37
DaSkreechryan_: Just restart the app02:37
unlovedpandaxsacha : thanks for the links02:37
ryan_k thanks. Yes that fixed it. Just wish they would have made that a little easier. I new that the desktop would be different between Kubuntu and Ubuntu but it seems like different os's. Everything is different.02:38
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arriespis there anyone who uses btqueue?02:40
arriespi need to import files from ktorrent02:40
xsacharyan_: just a few programs :P02:40
ryan_wow, i guess im just having transition woes. I go to add/remove programs it bounces up and down etc. Then just goes away. Doesn't even open up02:41
ryan_next time around it will work etc.02:41
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jcs7778is there a quick terminal command that will list all the partitions on my hard disk?02:41
jhutchinsryan_: Fun.  Another reason to stick with aptitude instead of the gui.02:42
stdinjcs7778: sudo fdisk -l02:42
xsachais it normal to have 2 partitions start and end at the same place?02:43
xsacha/dev/hdb2            9448        9729     2265165    5  Extended              /dev/hdb5            9448        9729     2265133+  82  Linux swap / Solaris02:43
ryan_Well just seemed like after installing Ubuntu so many times I had it down pat "getting restricted codecs,software,etc, " and in Kubuntu it seemed "actually it did" take hours02:43
stdinxsacha: they aren't 2 normal partitions02:43
stdinxsacha: one is an extended one02:43
stdinxsacha: the swap is a logical one02:43
xsachaso it's normal for them to have the same Start and End?02:44
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jcs7778stdin fdisk -l only seems to list the partitions on my external disk and not on my local disk02:44
stdinxsacha: yes, because the swap is _inside_ the extended one02:44
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stdinjcs7778: that with sudo ?02:44
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rayluhow do i recursively rm all files named index.html in a directory?02:45
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jcs7778no it wasn't but that worked thanks02:45
xsachajcs7778: it should only show partitions that are in /proc/partitions02:45
xsachaoh, no sudo02:45
raylui wget -R-ed some stuff and it copied a bunch of index.htmls that i don't need02:45
stdinraylu: find /path/to/dir -type f -name "index.html" -exec rm {} \;02:45
rayluo.0, thanks02:45
adeniciohi my mount partition is not staying mounted.everytime i restart the pc i have to remount it02:46
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stdinadenicio: you need to add it to /etc/fstab02:46
raylucan you explain what the {} \; did?02:46
stdinraylu: yes...02:46
ryan_after you gave me that command now Kaffiene does play the movies, music etc.. lol. I didn't have to install vlc / mpplayer. Although i did want them02:47
stdinraylu: "{}" is replaced with the file it found and \; means "end of command"02:47
xsachawell find prints out the file (and directory) or something it finds.. so thats what would go into {}02:47
rayluwhat would happen if i didn't use \;?02:48
adeniciostdin: its allready in the fstab,the name of the partition with ntfs 3g02:48
rayluand why in the world is it {}? isn't it usually $0 or something?02:48
stdinraylu: bash would interpreter it as a command separator  and would fail02:48
stdinraylu: {} is specific to find02:48
stdinadenicio: did you add "auto" to the options ?02:49
raylui see; well thanks. that saved me a bit of itme02:49
stdinraylu: when you are bored and have time :p take a look at "man find" it's quite powerful02:49
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rayluwhich also means it's quite long :P02:50
adeniciostdin: i find the prob the option enable at start up wasnt actvite lol02:50
raylui've tried to use locate whenever possible. i also was trying to use ls to gete something to pipe to rm02:50
xsachagrep, cut, head and such are all cool too02:50
inaetyhello when i try to start various programs in kde i get this error "Could not find mime type 'application/octet-stream'"02:50
raylui haven't found a use for head yet02:50
xsachaglxinfo | head -n302:50
stdinraylu: xargs can do that, can be more advanced tho02:51
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xsachahitmanWilly: wrong type of head02:51
stdinxsacha: you know you don't need the "n" "head -3" works too02:51
xsachastdin: cool :)02:51
hitmanWillyxsacha, google double entendre :)02:52
xsachai know02:52
xsachastdin: why doesnt it mention that stuff in man :P02:53
evri2can someone help ? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3085754.002:53
stdinxsacha: who knows :p02:53
hitmanWillyevri2, the reconfigure cmd would be sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop02:54
hitmanWillytho i can't remember if that will reconfig everything it depends on02:54
xsacha /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kubuntu-desktop is not installed02:54
hitmanWillyxsacha, ?02:55
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hitmanWillyxsacha, unless you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed02:55
setkehxsacha: are you useing ubuntu or definatly kubuntu02:56
adeniciostdin: when i go in sys settings in some option they askin me to be admin to enter a passw to config all the time cant i deactivat it?02:56
hitmanWillyxsacha, which i wouldn't blame you for :)02:56
xsachadefinitely kubuntu, but yeah kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled02:56
xsachaprobably some conflict?02:56
hitmanWillyxsacha, did you pull parts of the initial install out?02:56
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xsachanot that i know of02:56
stdinadenicio: you can't really02:56
hitmanWillyxsacha, try installing it, see what (if any) errors it pulls02:57
adeniciostdin: its anoying02:57
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stdinadenicio: it's a security feature02:57
xsachaThe following NEW packages will be installed:  dolphin gdebi-core gdebi-kde kdebluetooth kio-umountwrapper kmplayer-base  kmplayer-konq-plugins kubuntu-desktop language-selector-qt  restricted-manager-core restricted-manager-kde strigi-plugins02:58
stdinxsacha: ohh, you're on gutsy?02:58
hitmanWillyxsacha, since when is dolphin a dep of kde?02:58
xsachano idea.. i thought thats kde402:58
blaizehello what is the program I need to download in order to  use windows programs on kubuntu?02:58
xsachaim using kde302:58
stdinxsacha: well dolphin is going to be the default for kde4, so we're getting people used to it02:58
hitmanWillyxsacha, it may be a gutsy thing vice a kde thing02:58
xsachaoh ok, so that's a recent change? dolphin introduced into gutsy kde3?02:59
hitmanWillystdin, it won't be on my system :)02:59
stdinxsacha: there's a debate on as to whether to make it default file manager in gutsy02:59
raylulol hitmanWilly02:59
raylui read that and thought your system didn't havce stdin02:59
hitmanWillyraylu, that would suck02:59
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setkehblaize:  you WINE mate :D03:00
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raylublaize, what program do you want to use? there's probably an alternative03:00
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blaizeraylu: I am really just wanting to have it ready if i ever do need it03:00
blaizesetkeh, where would I get this program?03:00
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.03:01
inaetyhello when i try to start various programs in kde i get this error "Could not find mime type 'application/octet-stream'"03:01
rayluthe repositories have it, blaize03:01
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ryan_is there any distros that include proprietary drivers/codecs etc??03:01
rayluryan_, for what?03:01
hitmanWillyryan_, vector does, as well as sabayon, IIRC03:01
setkehblaize:  i would google "wine for linux" :D03:02
stdinryan_: there is "ubuntu mint", but it's legality is questionable in some places03:02
NickPrestastdin, what are the plans for Dolphin? Replaces Konqueror as a file manager but will Konqueror still be default for browser?03:02
ryan_hmmm haent heard of that03:02
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hitmanWillydoesn't that destroy the whole point of konq, tho?03:03
xsachaalthough my konqueror is screwed since last weeks GTK update. now whenever i view a website that has flash, it freezes. it was just since a silly GTK update03:03
setkehKonqueror isent that great i would still prefer fire fox lol03:03
rayluchanging the default browser from konq will anger some people03:03
stdinNickPresta: dolphin will be the default file manager, konqueror will still be the default web browser (and can be made to be the default file manager if the user wishes)03:03
NickPrestahitmanWilly, I just installed Dolphin and it appears to be a fairly simple but easily customizable file manager.03:03
raylubut really, who cares what's default?03:03
hitmanWillystdin, heh, use krusader over here03:03
rayluthat's for macs :P03:03
setkehall firefox here XD03:04
xsachaany idea when flash on konqueror will be fixed? another gtk update or something?03:04
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xsachafor gutsy03:04
hitmanWillyNickPresta, i've got no problem with dolphin as a file manager, i just think folks are going to be upset when they lose that IE like integration03:05
ryan_yea i dont think konqueror is as good as firefox.03:05
NickPrestasetkeh, what do you mean Konqueror isn't that great? Superior CSS support and has the some nice built in features (KonqiJS, etc).03:05
NickPrestaThe only thing, I believe, Firefox has over Konqueror is it's vast collection of Extensions03:05
setkehxsacha:  you probably better off useing ff03:05
xsachai have been03:05
rayluNickPresta, extend that argument a bit further and we might find ourselves using JScript :P03:05
ryan_seems really plain. I really like how firefox has a bookmark bar that goes across the top for your favorite bk marks03:05
setkehNickPresta:  i use firefox for alll that and if you know CSS you shouldent need all that much support lol03:06
hitmanWillyryan_, konq has that too, btw03:06
xsachaand konq has mouse gestures.. found that out just recently03:06
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raylusetkeh, he means it handles CSS more "correct"ly03:07
hitmanWillylike ive said before, i've yet to find a web browser that doesn't suck, just konq seems to suck the least right now...03:07
NickPrestasetkeh, I am speaking of things like CSS3, which means I don't need to use hacks or superfluous HTML03:07
rayluhitmanWilly, what have you tried?03:07
setkehso does opera and it really anoying lol03:07
xsachayeah konqueror CSS tables acid test = 100% pass.. no other browser comes close. opera says it will be 100% soon03:07
xsachaor is it 100% now?03:07
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NickPrestaxsacha, the acid test doesn't really prove you have good support, it proves that you handle errors well.03:07
rayludoes google still tell you to stop using opera when you use gmail?03:07
hitmanWillyraylu, FF, opera, konq, galeon, dillo, w3m, lynks, elinks, links, links2, etc...03:07
rayluhitmanWilly, oh...heh :P03:08
nikosapihow come when I open a gtk app remotely via ssh it uses a different style than when I open it locally?03:08
setkehNickPresta:  it can be done in other browsers konq isent the only one lol i can do it all in ff03:08
hitmanWillyraylu, i do know what im talking about most of the time03:08
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NickPrestasetkeh, what are you talking about? How can you use CSS3 that isn't supported in Firefox?03:08
NickPrestasetkeh, xsacha, http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html03:08
xsachathats 100% on konqueror?03:09
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blaizeis there a linux version of aim?03:09
setkehthere is an extention that lets firfox handle it03:09
stdininaety: in konqueror > settings > configure konqueror > file associations > application (expand that), if there isn't one called "octet-stream" click add (in the bottom left area), select group: application, and type name: octet-stream03:09
xsachaFirefox: From the 43 selectors 26 have passed, 10 are buggy and 7 are unsupported (Passed 357 out of 578 tests)03:09
raylublaize, kopete, gaim, pidgin03:09
nosrednaekimblaize: actually yes, but its so outdated as to be terrible03:09
xsachaKonqueror: From the 43 selectors 43 have passed, 0 are buggy and 0 are unsupported (Passed 578 out of 578 tests)03:10
nosrednaekimits better to use gaim/pidgin03:10
blaizewill I be able to talk to people using aim?03:10
hitmanWillyblaize, yup03:10
hitmanWillyblaize, and yahoo, jabber, even IRC all from the same client03:11
inaetythanks stdin but it looks i found another fix03:11
stdininaety: removing the .desktop file?03:11
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xsachablaize: if you're using kubuntu though, might want Kopete (comes already installed)03:11
inaetystdin: yeah03:11
inaetystdin: i made a backup don't worry :P03:12
hitmanWillyblaize, in fact, it even supports msn03:12
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hitmanWillytho why you'd want that is beyond me :)03:12
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ryan_is gnome or kde updated more then the other at all ?03:12
stdininaety: well, if another application makes that file again, the way I said would be a more permanent fix. but if it works great :)03:12
xsachakopete supports: AIM, Gadu-Gadu, GroupWise, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, Meanwhile, MSN, Testbed, WinPopup and Yahoo03:12
stdinryan_: kde is updated more often than gnome03:13
hitmanWillythere ya go :)03:13
inaetystdin: i have one of those in my konqueror file associations anyways03:13
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xsachastdin: gnome has more developers than kde?03:13
wolferinewhich folder would I add a bash script into, which would load on boot?03:13
inaetystdin: it came up when i did pretty much anything like open ktorrent konversation etcetc03:13
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wolferine/etc/init.d ?03:13
stdinxsacha: doubt it03:14
NickPrestawolferine, you can put it in ~/.kde/Autostart03:14
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ryan_im finally getting used to KDE lol. It's definately gona take some time though. One thing I do like is there lots of options for almost everything which seems like it makes it more customizable03:14
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wolferineNickPresta, im using Gnome, so that wouldnt work :)03:15
xsacharyan_: thats what most people seem to hate03:15
stdinwolferine: it'd be easier to add the commands to /etc/rc.local or you'll have to mess with links03:15
hitmanWillyryan_, kde is vastly more customizable than gnome03:15
xsacharyan_: most people that use gnome03:15
ryan_xsacha your on Gnome ?03:15
wolferinestdin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11122503:15
ryan_ah k03:15
hitmanWillyryan_, the price you pay for it is that it sucks up more resources and has a somewhat steeper learning curve03:16
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ryan_yea that I have noticed for sure03:16
stdinwolferine: ignore them, they know not of which they speak :p just put "rmmod quickcam" and "modprobe quickcam" in /etc/rc.local03:17
arriespis there anyone who uses btqueue?03:17
ryan_I got it all setup the way I like it... I'm just dreading when I have to do it again. It took all day lol03:17
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hitmanWillystdin, heh, nice hack that...03:17
Templardoes anyone here know how i could run a program as part of my backgroung so that i cud have info from the web or a live webcam feed in my background03:18
Templarwithout the window controls and frame of possible03:18
stdinTemplar: right click the desktop > configure desktop > advanced options03:19
xsachahitmanWilly: i dont get the complaints about kde being a memory hog. i have 768mb ram here and it's only using 180MB, the rest is cached and buffers03:19
xsachais 180 a lot?03:19
stdinTemplar: lets you load web pages as backgrounds03:19
Templaron gnome03:19
hitmanWillyxsacha, its all relative, xfce uses less than half of that03:19
wolferinestdin, can I concat sudo to the front of those?03:19
Templaror is that just for kde03:19
wolferinestdin, and it will work :)03:19
stdinTemplar: kde (i don't know if gnome can do it)03:19
stdinwolferine: you don't need sudo in them, it's already ran as root03:20
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NickPrestaxsacha, hitmanWilly, Indeed it is relative. If you have 2GB of RAM like I do, it makes little difference if my WM uses 180MB of RAM or if it uses 85MB of RAM. At least for normal desktop use :)03:20
NickPresta!hi | stoned03:20
ubotustoned: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!03:20
xsachaNickPresta: but dont most people have atleast 256MB of RAM that want to use KDE?03:20
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wolferinethose commands mess up my webcam :/03:21
Templarso u cud effectively make ur own webpage with info u want for ur background03:21
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NickPrestaxsacha, I used KDE on my old Laptop for a couple years with only 256MB of RAM and it run smoothly most of the time. I wouldn't attempt to use KDE (unless you turn off extra features) with less than 256 of RAM03:21
hitmanWillyNickPresta, agreed, same deal here, i just use other WM's for how they look/act not really for resource usage03:21
stonedI  have installed kubuntu but I am still in the live cd, I have not yet rebooted.  Is it possible to remove the kernel parameter of ... hi ubotu..., bootsplash.  I know I can do it on the reboot/grub command line, but I want to do it now03:21
xsacha256MB isnt that much of an ask is it? :P03:22
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stdinstoned: I told you, mount the root partition and edit the menu.lst file03:22
stonedoh you did03:22
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hitmanWillyNickPresta, however, beryl/compiz/whatever_the_name_is_this_week tends to push that evelope, tho :)03:23
stonedbrb from kubuntu amd7403:23
xsachathis is what i get from top with kde3.5.7: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6382/topic4.png03:23
stonedhey is 3.5.7 stable/available for kubuntu now?03:23
blaizeok so i'm trying to install wine i've enabled the universe repository and i still can't find hte wine package any advice03:23
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blaizeeh nevermind I forgot ot hit apply *embarrassed face*03:24
NickPrestastoned, KDE 3.5.7 has been available for kubuntu for a while now03:24
juliusHey all, are there any easy front ends to grab themes?03:24
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juliusive downloaded about 100mb of lib's and i still cant compile any themes03:24
wolferinestdin, looks like I have to do the driver install after each rmmod quickcam, going to try and just do the modprobe quickcam, and see if it works03:24
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NickPrestajulius, themes for what?03:25
xsachajulius: what themes exactly?03:25
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stdinjulius: if you need to compile KDE themes you'll need the kde-devel pacakge03:25
juliusThemes for KDE03:25
juliuslike Qtcurves03:25
xsachahmm? i just load em up in kcontrol?03:26
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hitmanWillyxsacha, some of the crazier ones require a full compile of the window decorators, widget sets, etc.03:26
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xsachaoh ok, makes it faster?03:26
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hitmanWillyxsacha, makes it possible :)03:26
stdinxsacha: no, just makes it work :p03:27
xsachamust look pretty good then03:27
stdinxsacha: they are distributed in source code03:27
festerHow do I get Kubuntu to make /opt/* writable so I can install a program?03:27
stdin!sudo | fester03:28
ubotufester: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.03:28
hitmanWillyfester, what are you trying to install?03:28
blaizeok i'm very new to linux when I searched wine in the repositories I came up with 5 different results which do I install?03:28
ubotuIn KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo03:28
juliusstdin: precisely. Are there any frontends to grab em for me?03:28
stdinblaize: the one that is called "wine"03:28
festerI'm trying to install Medusa4, a CAD program.03:28
hitmanWilly!find medusa03:28
ubotuFound: medusa, python-medusa, python-medusa-doc03:28
setkeh"From the 43 selectors 26 have passed, 10 are buggy and 7 are unsupported" according to this FF is as compatable as conq with css 3 same results03:28
hitmanWilly!info medusa03:29
ubotumedusa: fast, parallel, modular, login brute-forcer for network services. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3-1 (feisty), package size 110 kB, installed size 432 kB03:29
blaizestdin, so I don't do anything with wine-dev03:29
xsachasetkeh: Konqueror: From the 43 selectors 43 have passed, 0 are buggy and 0 are unsupported (Passed 578 out of 578 tests)03:29
hitmanWillyok, not that one :)03:29
xsachaFirefox: Firefox: From the 43 selectors 26 have passed, 10 are buggy and 7 are unsupported (Passed 357 out of 578 tests)03:29
stdinblaize: not unless you want to compile applications that use wine (which I doubt you do :P )03:29
blaizestdin, thank you so much :-D03:29
stdinjulius: I don't think so, maybe kcontrol has it but not system settings03:30
setkehxsacha:  i got that lin for both of the browsers03:30
hitmanWillyfester, just install with sudo/kdesu...03:30
festerMeusa is trying to install itself into /opt/medusa4_personal_210, but the system won't let it.03:30
NickPrestasetkeh, you must be using an older version of KDE then.03:30
xsachasetkeh: i got 43/43 for konqueror03:30
xsachausing kde and konqueror version 3.5.703:30
hitmanWillyfester, is it a gui installer or a text mode?03:31
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hitmanWillyfester, ok, kdesu <name_of_install_program> in a konsole03:32
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hitmanWillyfester, that will make the whole file system writable for the install program03:32
xsachasetkeh: here, a screenshot: http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2408/konqhn0.png03:33
NickPrestajulius, thanks for mentioned qtcurve. I just installed it and it looks great ;)03:33
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festerI just ran kdesu medusa4_.... in a root on Konsole and got "cannot connect to X server"03:36
stdinfester: not in a root terminal03:36
juliusNickpresta: How come its so easy!!!!03:36
nosrednaekimwhat is medusa 4?03:36
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juliusive downloaded now 120mb of packages03:36
juliusis there a trick to getting dependencies for compiling?03:37
NickPrestajulius, sudo apt-get install kde-style-qtcurve qtcurve-kde303:37
blaizeok this is the first time i've used linux period so how do I load a program? ie wine03:37
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festerRunning Kdesu in a plain terminal gives "x-error, bad device"03:37
xsachaprobably just the wacom device, ignore that03:38
nosrednaekimblaize: you run "sudo apt-get install <program name>"03:38
xsachashould prompt for password.. no?03:38
festernosrednaekim: Medusa 4 is a 2D/3D CAD program03:38
nosrednaekimblaize: or you can run a package manager like adept_manager to browse all the programs available03:38
nosrednaekimfester: free?03:38
blaizeinoserednaekim, I've already installed it I just need to run it now03:38
stdinblaize: to run a windows application, open a terminal and do "wine file.exe" (where file.exe is the windows file), and take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine#head-3acca7686806077923c05fa38c442e856ffacc5403:38
juliusNickPresta: where can i view all the precompiled themes?03:39
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festernosred: yep!03:39
setkehNickPresta: im not useing KDE i have GNOME03:39
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nosrednaekimfester: cool, is there a 64 bit version?03:40
NickPrestajulius, apt-cache search kde-style-*03:40
xsachaNickPresta: E: Couldn't find package qtcurve-kde303:40
NickPrestasetkeh, then you probably don't have the latest version of KDE/Konqueror03:40
juliusxsacha: worked for me03:40
festernosred: dunno. Let's concentrate on getting ANY version to work and see if it's any good!03:40
stdinxsacha: apt-cache search kde-style03:40
nosrednaekimfester: and a link please?i've been looking all over for one of those.03:40
xsachastdin: yeah ive got all the kde-styles03:41
blaizestdin, is there a way to run the program wine or is all its meant for is a prerequisite of running the file.exe03:41
festernosred: I'll be back in a ferw minutes...03:41
xsachathere's this package that could be it?     qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for KDE3 and Gtk2 based apps03:41
stdinxsacha: have universe enabled ?03:41
NickPrestaxsacha, you probably don't have the repo. included in your sources.list03:41
xsachawhich repo?03:41
setkehNickPresta:  yeas i do i updated my system yesterday03:42
xsachai have: http://pastebin.ca/65510803:42
stdinblaize: run "winefile" to get a file browser, then just double click the exe of the app03:42
stdinxsacha: and you don't see "kde-style-qtcurve" and "qtcurve" ?03:43
xsachai see qtcurve.. not qtcurve-kde303:43
xsachasame thing?03:43
stdinxsacha: yeah03:43
festernosredaekim: MEDUSA4: http://www.cad-schroer.com/index.php?land=com&ziel=Products-M4Personal&scr=1.103:43
xsachablaize: try:    wine notepad03:44
festerNow, do we have a way to install it?03:44
blaizeok I figured it all out now how do I run mozilla firefox instead of konquerer03:44
xsachablaize: want a shortcut to firefox on desktop?03:45
blaizexsacha, ya03:45
xsachaor in taskbar..03:45
xsachais firefox installed?03:45
blaizexsacha, either one will be great03:45
blaizexsacha, it says mozilla-firefox local is installed03:46
nosrednaekimfester: I have no clue... whats the download look like.. a tar.gz?03:46
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xsachawell in taskbar, you can just press the up arrow next to your other application shortcuts and then Panel Menu -> Add Application to Panel -> Internet -> Firefox03:47
ubuntu_sorry about my name03:48
festernosrednaekim: medusa_4_210_personal_linux.tar.gz03:48
xsachaubuntu_: /nick nameilikebetter03:48
ubuntu_How do I assign swap space?03:48
nosrednaekimfester: all I see are windows installation instructions03:48
ubuntu_I am inside the live CD03:48
festernosrednaekim: You sign up with the company and they send you a personal key.03:48
blaizexsacha, firefox is not under internet03:48
stdinubuntu_ make a new partition and choose swap as the format03:48
nosrednaekimfester: hmm ok. well, un zip that tar archive03:49
nosrednaekimlets see whats inside.03:49
stdinblaize: have you installed firefox yet?03:49
festernosrednaekim: did you download the linux flavor?03:49
blaizestdin, it says under adept manager that i've installed hte mozilla-firefox local03:50
nosrednaekimfester: nah, I'm on dial-up... i'll have to wait fro tomorrow for my dad to go to work03:50
festerIncluding the key, I have 6 files.03:50
stdinblaize: no, install the package called "firefox"03:50
blaizeI don't see one03:50
xsachasudo apt-get install firefox? or just type in "firefox" in adept03:51
stdinblaize: put "firefox" in the search box03:51
blaizestdin, i see firefox-web devoloper03:51
nosrednaekimfester: what are the file name extensions?03:51
blaizeI did that03:51
stdinblaize: what version of kubuntu do you have ?03:51
stdin"lsb_release -cs" to find out03:51
blaizestdin, 6.06 lts03:52
setkehubuntu_: heya dude03:52
festernosrednaekim: .jar,  .tar.gz, and a shell script03:52
stonedwhere is kde 3.5.7 for fiesty?03:52
nosrednaekimfester: .jar.... thats java.... do you have a java run time enviorment installed?03:53
joelm blaize: K Menu, Run Command, sudo apt-get install firefox03:53
xsachastoned: it doesnt come with 3.5.7?03:53
stdinblaize: close adept first03:53
nosrednaekim!kde3.5.7 | stoned03:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kde3.5.7 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:53
festernosrednaekim: I'll check03:53
xsachablaize: adept gives me this for Firefox: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1607/firefoxob0.png03:53
stdinstoned: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php03:53
blaizeit says Package Firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package03:54
nosrednaekimfester: is there a README or something in there? maybe within that tar.gz?03:54
stdinblaize: open adept again, then go to File > Manage Repositories03:54
stdinblaize: mane sure they are all selected03:55
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festernosrednaekim: There's a README file in English which basically describes the history of the file.03:56
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nosrednaekimfester: hmmmm ok...no instructions what so ever?03:57
stdinblaize: when they are all selected (enabled) then click "fetch updates"03:57
xsachano INSTALL file?03:57
blaizestdin, my adept is having some issues opening it starts to load then it stops03:57
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stdinblaize: just try it again03:57
festernosrednaekim: not that I've found so far. BTW: I now have Java. Try the .jar file?03:57
douglis anyone using kubuntu with linux mce?03:57
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nosrednaekimfester: yeah, i'm not sure how you start java things.03:58
nosrednaekimfester: maybe try double clicking on it in konqueror or something ;)03:58
stdinnosrednaekim: java -jar file.jar03:58
nosrednaekimfester: ^^03:59
stdinthere should be some shell script to set the environment tho (at least there normally is)03:59
stoneddebconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable03:59
nosrednaekimthere is a shell script in there... fester said03:59
stonedI accidentally closed the terminal while configure xorg04:00
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festernosrednaekim: I'm going to try something...04:00
stdinstoned: sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat04:00
nosrednaekimfester: ok..04:00
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ryan_whats the best window decorater for Kubuntu?  XGL, Beryl etc..  or whatever there called. I was thinking of trying one04:00
nosrednaekimryan_: beryl!04:01
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects04:01
stonedstdin: what does that do04:01
nosrednaekimryan_: but do you have a ATI card? ATI cars are a pain with beryl04:01
stdinstoned: lets you kill the process that's locked the file04:01
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stonedstdin: ahh, but ... ok04:01
blaizestdin, when I press request install it says BREAK04:01
ryan_intel integrated 95004:01
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stdinryan_: beryl will run great on that04:02
ryan_good deal. Ill checck it out. Thx04:02
festernosrednaekim: Running the install program just told me the install directory is not writable.04:02
complexityI am trying to dump raw text to an lpt port.I have found away to do it, but I have to use sudo. I need this in a script to work while I am away from the computer.04:02
stdinblaize: close adept, open konsole and run "sudo apt-get install firefox" post all the happens to pastebin and then post the link04:02
stdincomplexity: put it in the system crontab?04:03
nosrednaekimfester: is it graphical? if so, prefix it with kdesu, if not,prefix it with sudo.04:03
complexitylol...yes, but how to make it run without sudo? (ie - I need to input a password)04:03
nosrednaekimcomplexity: run the whole script as sudo...04:04
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Xera^How do I make the middle mouse bring up that scroll thing when I click it in Firefox? :|04:04
complexitybut I am not at the computer when it runs04:04
Xera^I've checked about:config04:04
Xera^but no luck04:04
stdincomplexity: scripts/commands in the system crontab run as root04:04
festernosrednakim: how do I preix a gui install program with kdesu?04:04
stdinfester: kdesu command04:04
nosrednaekimfester: how did you start the gui install program? from the command line?04:05
blaizestdin, how do I post to pastebin?04:05
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)04:05
complexityhmmm...ok I will try tomorrow, but it didn't work the last time I tried, but it would work from the CLI04:05
stdinblaize: ^04:05
complexityI don't have it in front of me, but the command is cat file.txt > /dev/lp0 ( I think)04:06
blaizestdin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33527/04:06
stdincomplexity: as long as it's run as root, it will work04:07
complexityok will post back if not...Thanx!04:07
stonedw32codecs can't be found04:07
ubotuSeveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs04:07
stonedeven though I've selected the all option in seveas04:08
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stoneddeb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ feisty-seveas all04:08
stonedupdated, and can't find w32codecs04:08
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stdinstoned: you have run sudo apt-get update after?04:09
stonedi just said so yes04:09
stdinyou can just download http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/feisty-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20061022-1~seveas1_i386.deb and run "sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20061022-1~seveas1_i386.deb"04:10
stdinblaize: post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin please04:10
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nosrednaekimwhat does .nl stand for BTW? netherlands?04:10
blaizestdin, sorry how do I do that?04:10
nosrednaekimstdin: ever wish you could just ssh into these computers?04:11
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about w64codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:11
stdinnosrednaekim: yep :P04:11
stonedawe wtfudge04:11
stonedhey i am on amd6404:11
stdinstoned: not available on 64bit ...04:11
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stdinblaize: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list04:11
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hitmanWillystoned, try vlc, i think it works under 6404:11
hitmanWillystoned, and all its codecs are built in IIRC04:12
xsachanext version of konversation should have an "Open Wide" command. and then if someone uses it, you can press on their name and "Come Inside" and it'd open up a ssh link04:12
manchicken__stdin: No, there are win32codecs for amd64.04:12
xsachathat'd make life easier for stdin04:12
festerAnybody having any luck with Medusa4?04:13
stdinmanchicken__: where ?04:13
manchicken__stdin: It's on the wiki.04:13
manchicken__I run them myself.04:13
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nosrednaekimfester: I AM going to try it... gimme your email and i'll tell you if I get it working.04:13
festernosrednaekim: fester@rucls.net04:13
hitmanWillyxsacha, yeah, ok, how about changing it to "Get hacked!!" :P04:13
blaizestdin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33528/04:14
xsachahitmanWilly: who'd use it then?      "hey i need help"       "press the 'get hacked' button please, then i'll help you"    "yeah right!"04:14
nosrednaekimxsacha: hitmanWilly: I still think its a good idea...04:15
festernosrednaekim: While you're here... how do I get the KDE installed on my machne to display like KDE on my desktop, yes, KDE-desktop is installed.04:15
xsachathis would work:   "hey i need help"       "press the 'open wide' button please, then i'll help you"    "ok"          "fixed"04:15
nosrednaekimfester: what do you mean.. you are running gnome still?04:15
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manchicken__stdin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64#head-54b678e0bfe810c13d7557a619007c42c97f67a704:16
festerIt sure looks like it. There's lots of Kprograms available, but the desktop still looks like Gnome.04:16
hitmanWillyxsacha, and then, what if they go over to 2600? "Press the Open Wide button for truly 1337 hax0r status!"04:16
stdinblaize: uncomment the 2nd and 4th line (remove the "#" from them) then save that and run "sudo apt-get update"04:16
nosrednaekimfester: on the login screen there should be a place to choose sessions from, clcik it and select kde04:16
manchicken__Not sure how much of a good idea that one is, I think I use use libxine-extracodecs04:16
hitmanWillyxsacha, just sayin'...04:17
stdinstoned: look at the link from manchicken__04:17
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festernosrednaekim: There's no such screen. When I login it asks for my name and then my password. KDE is never an option.04:17
manchicken__stone: also, did you try reading this document and following it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats04:17
manchicken__stoned: I think that's all I did.04:17
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festernosrednaekim: BTW: what is the standard KDE music file player?04:19
hitmanWillyugh, kdelibs now compiling....04:19
blaizestdin, it says I don't have write access to it04:19
NickPrestafester, I think it is Kaffeine04:20
stdinblaize: you did open it with kdesu ?04:20
manchicken__stdin, stoned: Mind you I'm on 7.10 and not on 7.04.04:20
hitmanWillyfester, either amarok, or maybe juk...04:20
nosrednaekimfester: Amarok, and its somewhere on that login screen there is a button for before you enter your name and pasword04:20
festernodrednakim: I'll try it. THANKS!04:20
blaizestdin, i opened it with kate04:21
nosrednaekimfester: I have to go... i'll get back to you about medusa04:21
stdinblaize: try it again, close kate, then reopen by pressing Alt-F2 and put in: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list04:21
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blaizestdin, I think i fixed it I went back into adept and checked and I missed 2 of the lines I was suppsed to enable and now it seems to be installing04:23
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stdinblaize: ok04:23
blaizestdin, will it automatically catagorize it under internet?04:23
stdinblaize: yes04:24
blaizestdin, awesome thank you so much for your help04:24
stdinblaize: no problem :)04:24
xsachawhy isnt universe enabled by default in buntu anyway?04:25
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stdinxsacha: it is in feisty+04:26
hydrogencan the installer resize ntfs partitions?04:26
stdinxsacha: and the reason it wasn't because "software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu team"04:27
stonedstdin: medibuntu04:27
stonedstdin: w64codecs04:27
gehzumteufelhello all04:27
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gehzumteufeli have a n00b question04:27
Jmanfooanyone here have a broadcom wifi card under (k)ubuntu?04:27
gehzumteufelis it possible to use a burner located on a windows machine as a burner on my local machine04:27
gehzumteufelover the network04:28
NickPrestahydrogen, yes, you can resize your windows partition.04:28
stdingehzumteufel: probably not04:29
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hydrogenNickPresta: well, I'm attempting it and its telling me that an error occured while writing the changes and that it has aborted the operation04:29
stdingehzumteufel: I think it's possible for linux to linux, but not with windows04:29
Jmanfoogehzumteufel, i can't think of any way to do that in windows, you should put linux on that machine :-p04:29
gehzumteufelJmanfoo: haha i almost convinced my buddy to do it....but he has a radeon. :(04:30
hitmanWillystdin, why not samba with rw access?04:30
wolferinemy webcam has a mic, can should I be able to view it in my 'volume control' as a device?04:30
stdinhitmanWilly: to burn a CD?04:30
Jmanfoowhat's wrong with a radeon? i've used radeon's under fedora core with no problems, i dont imagine ubuntu would be any different04:30
gehzumteufelstdin: yeah i have found stuff about how to do *nix to *nix but yeah not with windows04:30
gehzumteufelJmanfoo: 9800pro drivers SUCK.04:31
gehzumteufelive been looking at a lot of stuff about it04:31
gehzumteufelhe plays games04:31
hitmanWillystdin, ok, nm :P i was thinking for reading04:31
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: yeah i want to use the dvd burner on a windows box on my linux box (my laptop im on now)04:32
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Jmanfoogehzeumteufel: that's what dual-boot is for04:32
gehzumteufelJmanfoo: lol not when you got a 40gb hd04:33
hydrogentrying this another way... in the installer partitioner section... if the option is to resize a partition and use free'd space, with a slider to choose the "New Partition Size".. is it referring to the size of the partition I am resizing or the size of the partition it will create in that free'd space?04:33
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, well, you could make an iso out of it, and transfer it to a shared folder, then burn from windows04:33
Jmanfooi'm gonna try cutting the windows drivers for my broadcom card, since the ones fwcutter downloaded for me seem to suck04:33
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: im very aware of that. i currently do something similar but i want to directly access the burner from here04:33
wolferinemy webcam has a mic, can should I be able to view it in my 'volume control' as a device?04:34
gehzumteufelanyone got any wifi cards they recommend?04:34
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, ok, well, you may be SOL on that then04:34
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, anything with an intel chipset04:34
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: yeah04:34
gehzumteufelanything else?04:34
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gehzumteufeli already knew about the intel ones04:34
gehzumteufelwas trying to save money04:35
networkgamerintel what?04:35
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gehzumteufelthis damn pos netgear based of marvell chipset sucks04:35
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, not off the top of my head, but intel ones seem to work flwlessly04:35
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gehzumteufelnetworkgamer: wifi cards04:35
networkgamerdo they downclock when under serious heat?04:35
gehzumteufelthe intel or the netgear?04:35
gehzumteufelhaha only if they have a cpu on them04:35
gehzumteufelmost dont04:35
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, i think it has to do with the fact that they seem to act more or less like a standard ethernet card04:35
gehzumteufelthe cpu managed ones are like $20004:36
networkgameri can say im proud of myself today04:36
gehzumteufeli would LOVE to have the cpu managed ones04:36
ryan_when 7.10 comes out will be able to run software update or will we have to download the cd and install/update like that?04:36
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networkgamerapt-get dist-upgrade04:36
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wolferinealsamixer only shows my sound card 'sound' settings, how can I change my webcam ones?04:37
networkgameri only use basic linux04:37
hitmanWillywolferine, got me...04:37
hydrogentrying this another way... in the installer partitioner section... if the option is to resize a partition and use freed space, with a slider to choose the "New Partition Size".. is it referring to the size of the partition I am resizing or the size of the partition it will create in that freed space?04:37
networkgameri havnt even touched media playback yet04:37
wolferinehey hitmanWilly  :)04:37
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gehzumteufelbut i aint spending $200 on a card that is based off old technology that is already being replaced04:40
gehzumteufelanyone know when 802.11n goes final?04:40
gehzumteufelim tired of waiting for it04:40
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about forwarding - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:41
stdinlook on google/wikipedia, the collective knowledge of the human race is there04:41
xsachagehzumteufel: just before 802.11s goes final04:41
ubotuSo, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.04:41
xsachagehzumteufel: jokes :P04:41
gehzumteufelxsacha: lol04:41
angasulesilly bot04:42
gehzumteufelxsacha: they are taking a long ass time to finalize it!04:42
angasuleI have a problem (why else would I be here), I have a laptop that is connected through the serial port to my desktop, my desktop is running feisty, and is connected to my router which leads to the internet, I want my desktop to forward the laptop's traffic to the router so the laptop can connect to the internet04:43
xsachagehzumteufel: 802.11n Release Date September 200804:43
gehzumteufelxsacha: finally!04:43
xsachaData Rate 74 Mbit/s Range ~70 metres indoor04:43
stdinangasule: I think guarddog can do that, and I know firestarter can04:43
gehzumteufelgood datea rates04:44
gehzumteufelbut data rates go downhill faster than the older technologies04:44
angasulewho names this software? whoever it is has serious issues :)04:45
angasulethanks stdin04:45
xsachaBallot 97 to approve Draft 2.0 of 802.11 was approved March 904:45
CrellHello all.  Has anyone tried to run a Gutsy kernel backport on Feisty?  Good/bad experiences?04:45
CrellI am setting up a laptop on Feisty, and many of the instructions I'm finding are "works great with kernel 2.6.23" or "the latest ALSA makes it work", etc.04:45
xsachadunno when next revision of draft 2 comes out04:46
chris_anyone have an idea on how to change info thats displayed in KDE Incfo Center??04:46
CrellI figure if I have to recompile things, I may as well let Ubuntu do it for me.04:46
stdinCrell: gutsy doesn't even run 2.6.2304:46
CrellHm, never mind then.04:46
CrellWhat does it run?  Or is there a 2.6.23 compiled for Feisty anywhere?04:47
xsachaGutsy runs: 2.6.22-9-generic04:47
xsacha2.6.23 is only in -git2 right now04:47
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CrellI thought there was a release a few weeks ago.04:47
xsachathat was a release of 2.6.2204:47
xsacha2.6.23 merging just finished very recently04:47
CrellAh.  Rats.04:48
xsachano way you'd stick that in a polished OS04:48
stdinpeople have asked if .23 will be in gutsy, the answer is "no"04:48
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Crellhm.  OK, looks like I'm headed for patch world then.04:49
xsachawhy do you need 2.6.23? some driver or something?04:50
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xsachai mean, what problems have you got with the laptop?04:50
gehzumteufeli have a wierd problem with mine04:51
gehzumteufeli can never use the k logout shutdown sequence04:51
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gehzumteufeli always do that and then hit the power button to actually make it proceed04:51
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gehzumteufelotherwise it doesnt ever actually shut down04:51
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xsachamm odd04:52
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hitmanWillygehzumteufel, well, does shutdown -h now work?04:52
gehzumteufelstupid ndiswrapper or the card makes me have to restart cause i dont know how to restart the ndiswrapper thing04:52
CrellIt's a thinkpad T61.  Most things are working surprisingly well, but in particular sound is a no-go but apparently "works in latest CVS of ALSA" (as of when I'm not sure).  Wireless is also apparently ndiswrapper or a newer Intel driver that was released post-Feisty, so I'm hoping is available in a later kernel by default now.04:52
CrellThat sort of thing.  I've not tried to get suspend/hibernate working yet.04:53
xsachawhich wireless? can find out if it's in 2.6.22 as well04:53
gehzumteufelmine or his?04:53
gehzumteufelmine is gay ass netgear wg511v2 (marvell libertas)04:53
gehzumteufelhence why i was asking about wifi cards earlier04:53
gehzumteufelcause i need to get a native card04:53
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wolferineanyone use amsn with a webcam, and the webcam handles the audio, rather than ur soundcard?04:53
hitmanWillywell, recompiling the kernel is a major pita under buntu04:54
Crellxsacha: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_PRO/Wireless_4965AGN_Mini-PCI_Express_Adapter04:54
CrellThat one.04:54
sayersWhy is kubuntu using 935 mb of ram04:56
xsachasayers: and how much cache and buffers?04:56
hitmanWillysayers, that's probably the cache04:56
xsachapersonally, if i had a gig of RAM, i'd want it usin gup 935 too04:56
sayersHow can I have it not use so much cache...04:56
xsachawhy would you want that?04:56
intelikeysayers it's probably using about 150m04:57
sayersmore like 57604:57
hitmanWillysayers, the cache actually speeds up performance, vice hurting it04:57
stdinCrell: looks like iwl4965 is the driver for that and it's included04:57
xsachasayers: how much Cache and Buffers?04:57
intelikeysayers you confuse allocated and used04:57
sayersintelikey xsacha hitmanWilly ::: http://pastebin.com/m51c15ed704:58
xsachasayers: can you run top?04:58
hitmanWillysayers, its using 37104:58
CrellIn 2.6.22?04:59
xsachasayers: nevermind, it's same info04:59
stdinsayers: 576MB of that is in cache04:59
stdinCrell: yep04:59
sayersstdin: http://pastebin.com/mdd98abb04:59
sayersOkay will the cache get smaller when more physical ram is used?04:59
xsacha371 still seems like a lot though.. firefox, koctave, 3d stuff?04:59
xsachasayers: yes04:59
xsachasayers: looks like something wrong with Xorg.. 45% cpu is a lot05:00
hitmanWillyerr, 351, but still...05:00
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stdinsayers: take a look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management05:00
sayersxsacha: Dual core perhaps05:00
hitmanWillyah, the marvelous gentoo wiki :)05:00
xsachaXorg sucking 60MB of RAM too05:00
sayersWhy is that?05:01
sayersIts only been running a day05:01
xsachano idea.. it uses 0% cpu and 24MB of RAM here05:01
hitmanWillyxsacha, possible FF or other mem leak?05:01
jhutchinsknown mem. leaks in ff.05:01
sayersIm not woried05:01
stdinberyl/compiz will make Xorg work05:01
hydrogenso uhh05:02
jhutchinsstdin: You mean it will make xorg use CPU.05:02
gehzumteufelthank god i dont run beryl/compiz05:02
xsachasayers: this is me http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6382/topic4.png05:02
stdinjhutchins: yeah, work (ie: like a horse)05:02
jhutchinsstdin: I thought you were implying improved functionality for a moment!05:02
gehzumteufelkde runs nice and smooth05:02
hydrogendoes anyone know why trying to resize a ntfs partition gives "Operation not permitted" ?05:02
xsachasayers: are you using compiz/beryl now?05:02
intelikeyi am running xorg dillo bx and a few shells....   look at this info.  Memory Used/Total Percent: 18/250 MB (7%)05:02
intelikeySwap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)05:02
jhutchinshydrogen: What tool?05:02
sayersxsacha: No05:02
hydrogenjhutchins: the installer05:02
wolferineanyone use amsn with a webcam, and the webcam handles the audio, rather than ur soundcard?05:02
ryan_Kubuntu is eating 850mb ram here. Thats with just konversation, Kopete open. KDE is a memory hog05:03
xsachalol @ ryan_05:03
stdinryan_: doubt it05:03
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jhutchinshydrogen: Yeah, I think I'd run an external tool like gparted or qparted.05:03
stdinryan_: "free -om" how much cache ?05:03
NickPrestaryan_, I'm using 413MB of RAM with Pidgin, XChat, Konsole, Firefox, Amarok, SuperKaramba and Beryl.05:03
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jhutchinshydrogen: Write capability for ntfs is fairly restricted in most stuff.05:03
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ryan_doubt what?05:03
hydrogenjhutchins: err, doesn't that defeat the point of the installer?05:03
hydrogenthat partitions05:03
sayersryan_: Apperently its all cache :)05:03
hitmanWillyxsacha, lol05:03
hydrogenthat is05:03
jhutchinshydrogen: Not for most other filesystems.  I don't know for sure, I've always found the partition tool to be a weak point in the installer.05:04
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hitmanWillyxsacha, not if you're using 32 bit its not eating it :)05:04
ryan_something. I only have 1gb ram in my laptop. That will be changing soon though05:04
xsachayeha kubuntu6405:04
jhutchinshydrogen: I know it resizes vfat partitions very efficiently.05:04
xsacharyan_: why you need more than a gig?05:04
intelikeysayers here's a  script for you.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3885705:04
ryan_photo's "raw" and video encoding..05:05
intelikeyryan_   ^05:05
sayersWhats that do intelikey?05:05
intelikeyshow actual ram usage05:05
stdinintelikey: I was waiting for you to find that05:05
xsachashows your real RAM usage05:05
intelikeystdin heh   yeah.  just busy right now and hoped they would settel down without it...05:05
ryan_what shows your real ram usage ? in that link above05:06
xsachaMemory Used/Total Percent: 182/756 MB (24%)05:06
xsachaSwap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)05:06
intelikeyryan_ it's a shell script.05:06
stdinryan_: it's a script, download it, mark it as executable and run it05:06
hitmanWillyryan_, its a shell script that cats and parses some info from /proc05:06
Crellxsacha: Hm.  Is there a 2.6.22 backport for Feisty then? :-)05:07
intelikeyi'm still amazed that this thing will xorg + blackbox + dillo in less than 20m05:08
intelikeyMemory Used/Total Percent: 18/250 MB (7%)05:08
NickPrestaI'm only using 20% of my RAM with said applications open. I'm fine with that.05:08
intelikeymost peoples ubuntu wont run a console in less than 30m05:08
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:09
hitmanWillyintelikey, well, xorg by itself isn't that bad, blackbox is about as heavy as a feather, and dillo is about the smallest graphical web browser made :)05:09
xsachaCrell: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05231.html05:09
intelikeyhitmanWilly i knew what i was doing when i set it up.  but you did note the last thing i posted   ^  ?05:10
xsachaCrell: answer and reason: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/12872105:10
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hitmanWillyintelikey, yeah, heh05:10
hitmanWillyintelikey, but that's konsole05:11
intelikeyhitmanWilly no console05:11
wolferineanyone use amsn with a webcam, and the webcam handles the audio, rather than ur soundcard?05:11
dotzsorry but what is the right channel to ask about videos encoding/decoding?05:11
xsachaintelikey: my konsole has 15MB resident and 12MB shared05:11
intelikeyi mean if you boot to single you'll find you are using more ram than i am05:11
ryan_isnt there a command you can run from Terminal too  for processor and ram info>?05:11
hitmanWillyintelikey, well, stripping out the cruft from the kernel helps too :)05:11
xsachaand it's running top05:12
intelikeystock kernel05:12
Crelludev changes.  Swell.05:12
CrellThat's why I stopped using Sid. :-)05:12
hitmanWillyintelikey, really?, ok, i give up...05:12
intelikeyhitmanWilly yes05:12
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wolferine!Sid | Crell05:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:12
Crellwolferine: I know it's not Ubuntu.05:13
wolferineme too :)05:13
xsacharyan_: you want processor info?05:14
wolferinedotz, try #tovid05:14
xsacharyan_: cat /proc/cpuinfo05:14
intelikeyhitmanWilly the kernel has no modules inserted that i'm not using  and the system is running no processes that 'I' consider non-essential.   i boot to a console and the system is using about 6m + the 4m the kernel always hides/eats   then i start what i want.   in this case http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3885805:14
gehzumteufelhow do i make links in konversation open in firefox?05:15
xsachaprobably make it the default web browser in KDE05:15
intelikeyright click open with ?05:15
stdingehzumteufel: system settings > default applications05:15
xsachaintelikey: no open with here05:16
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intelikeychange the /usr/bin/x-www-browser link to ff05:16
intelikeyor what ever it is...05:16
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hitmanWillyintelikey, ok, that's kinda edgy on 'stock kernel', since I think the stock modules go with that, but ok :)05:17
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gehzumteufelis there a way to make the "backspace" key perform the same function it does in IE?05:17
gehzumteufelin firefox05:17
xsachadoesnt it do that?05:17
intelikeyhitmanWilly no no.  you are mixing stock kernel and stock initramfs image05:17
NickPrestaintelikey, why does /usr/bin/x-www.browser symlink to /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser which symlinks to what you actually want?05:18
gehzumteufelin ff it just goes up the page05:18
gehzumteufelin ie it goes backward a page05:18
hitmanWillyintelikey, yeah, i meant that too when i mentioned the kernel, guess is hould be more specific next time :)05:18
stdinintelikey: how come you have 2 instances of pastebin running ?05:18
gehzumteufelat least here in kubuntu it does05:18
intelikeyNickPresta cause it's controlled by "alternatives"05:18
NickPrestaintelikey, oh okay.05:18
NickPrestagehzumteufel, http://lifehacker.com/software/firefox-tip/set-backspaces-firefox-behavior-269945.php05:19
intelikeystdin heh   ps -A x | pastebin05:19
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gehzumteufelNickPresta: thanks!05:19
stdinintelikey: yeah, hat would run 1 process, yes?05:19
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intelikeyNickPresta look in /etc/alternatives to see what all "alternatives" is controlling on your system05:19
intelikeystdin no.05:19
xsachagehzumteufel: browser.backspace_action in about:config05:19
intelikeyNickPresta and     man update-alternatives      for more info on that.05:20
NickPrestaintelikey, oh wow. Thanks.05:20
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stdinintelikey: no, one instance of pastebin...05:20
gehzumteufelxsacha: yeah nick linked me. thanks though!05:21
gehzumteufeli cant tell you how much that annoyed me05:21
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intelikeystdin my "pastebin" and yours must differ.05:21
richardhey, anyone good with kubuntu here? I can't wrk out what has happened with my install...05:21
stdinintelikey: well you gave it to me :p05:21
gehzumteufelrichard: ive been on it for months. no problems05:21
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intelikeybut i may have changed it too  lol05:22
gehzumteufeli only converted from windblows to kubuntu in feb or so05:22
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hitmanWillyintelikey, hmm, that's a handy little script...05:22
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richardok, well everytime i open up adept and punch in my admin password it tells me...05:22
intelikeyok i have some web related things i need to attend.   i'll catch up in here in a few.05:22
gehzumteufelrichard: it tells you 17? no error message?05:23
xsachayes, 17 is the answer to everything05:23
gehzumteufelive never gotten it05:23
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richardhaha yeah, sory about that just typing up the answer, snail hands05:23
gehzumteufeland i had a problem with updating cause i was a n00b about it all05:24
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stdinxsacha: no, the answer to everything is 4205:24
gehzumteufelstdin: LOL05:24
xsachaonly if you watched a movie or read a silly book05:24
richarddammit, i mean it says that i wont be able to add/change any thing because another program is using the process, yet, there is nothing else running...05:24
xsachaabout galaxies05:24
gehzumteufeli thought it was "error. your mac has crashed and is in need of a restart. please hit restart to continue"05:24
hitmanWillyexport LIFE_UNIVERSE_EVERYTHING=4205:24
scott__hello, newbie here... what is missing when I get "stdlib.h not found" when doing a "make" command05:24
gehzumteufelrichard: haha i had that problem05:24
stdinxsacha: you know it was a TV series before that05:24
xsachaexport -n LIFE_UNIVERSE_EVERYTHING05:24
richardgehz> What was the problem? Its mighty frustrating05:25
Dr_Willis__scott__:  you have installed the build-essential package?05:25
gehzumteufelrichard: i cant remember exactly what i did though. i had to update something and then it fixed itself but it was a pain in the ass05:25
wolferinehow can I see what service is allowing someone to upload to me?05:25
xsacharichard: do you have apt-get or aptitude running in background? or another adept?05:25
scott__no, but i will :) apt-get intsall build-essential  ?05:25
stdinscott__: yes05:25
richardxsacha: nope, absolutely nothing05:26
Dr_Willis__scott__:  dependoing on the program you are compiling. you may need a lot of other packages also05:26
gehzumteufelxsacha: nah its not. i had this same problem. some package needed updating or some config i forget and once i finally ran the dpkg update or something like that it was fixed05:26
stdins/may/probably will/05:26
scott__ok thanks05:26
intelikeyxsacha@localhost.~/$ enable -d export enable05:26
xsachai dont have a login called xsacha05:27
intelikeystopped you from exporting05:27
intelikeyit's a joke and it was written in geek05:27
xsachagehzumteufel: and it tells you there's another process using adept?05:27
wolferinehow can I see what service is allowing someone to upload to me?05:27
stdinintelikey: '.~/' ?05:27
stdinwolferine: upload what?05:28
hitmanWillystdin, non ubuntu standard PS105:28
wolferinestdin, i dunno, someone is upping to me05:28
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xsacharichard: i'd say, run:   sudo killall apt-get adept aptitude05:28
stdinwolferine: how do you know?05:28
wolferinestdin, can I check which services are receiving?05:28
intelikeystdin you set your PS1 how you want and i'll set xsacha's PS1 how i want   lol05:29
wolferinestdin KNetLoad05:29
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Dr_Willis__wolferine:  what services have you installed?05:29
wolferineDr_willis, lots05:29
xsachawho is xsacha?05:29
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Dr_Willis__wolferine:  start disabling them and see when it stops. :) heh05:29
wolferinethats not really what I had in mind05:30
gehzumteufelxsacha: yeah it did. i literally had NO adept/apt sessions running05:30
Dr_Willis__or check the logs for the services I guess.. of course my router has a logging feature i use a lot.05:30
xsachagehzumteufel: sometimes there'll be one running in background.. it's a bit buggy05:30
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scott__i appreciate the help guys.. on a scale of 1 to 10, ndiswrapper... am I going to be up late on this one? (trying to determine how much i care to get frustrated this evening)05:30
wolferineso there are no command line tools to check that?05:31
xsachai'll need to kill it to unlock database.. or unlock it manually (the dpkg thing)05:31
gehzumteufelxsacha: but if i ran dpkg -update (i think thats what i ran) i could get aptitude to run05:31
hitmanWillywolferine, conky has a good port monitoring feature05:31
xsachagehzumteufel: yeah i think that unlocks it manually05:31
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gehzumteufelwell i did that and something else05:31
gehzumteufelthere was some sort of updating that needed to be done before i could get aptitude to run again05:31
xsachabut if you open adept, unlock, open another adept.. try d/ling stuff from both -- i guess it might screw up05:31
gehzumteufeli could never do that05:32
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, some fuser cmd?05:32
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: you know i cant really remember. im trying to search for it now05:32
Dr_Willis__wolferine:  i dont know of any speciic tool that could check ALL of the dozens of services you might have installed...05:32
gehzumteufelits been over a month since it happened05:32
hitmanWilly!aptfix | gehzumteufel05:32
ubotugehzumteufel: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 05:32
Dr_Willis__there may be some - i just dont recall using them. :)05:32
xsachayeah thats manual unlock05:33
stdinDr_Willis__: netstat ?05:33
gehzumteufeli think its the dpkg --configure -a that fixed it05:33
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hitmanWillygehzumteufel, that usually works, it finishes any halfway configured apps, which should unlock the database when they finish05:34
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gehzumteufelrichard: you reading this?05:34
FirefisheI'm getting this error during a currently running upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m14e785e05:34
stdinFirefishe: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"05:35
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richardgehz: yup, im busy trying that command out05:35
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gehzumteufelrichard: that one should work. im remembering that dpkg --configure -a fixing it now05:36
Firefishethank you stdin...05:36
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xsachaany idea why i get this when i run KDE4 in Xephyr today? Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c05:36
wolferineyeah, can I get a really detail netstat?05:36
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richardwicked, thats people, that got it working again!05:36
wolferinethis conky is ok, keeps appearing/disappearing though05:37
hitmanWillystdin, and I was going to have him modify /etc/locales and run locale-gen, heh, you're no fun :)05:37
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wolferinekinda annoying05:37
richard*thanks people05:37
gehzumteufelare mini-pci slots normally under the keyboard in dell laptops?05:37
Dr_Willis__conky + kde/gnome has double buffering issues/desktop drawing issues. :(05:37
Dr_Willis__run it in its own window helps a lot.05:37
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wolferineah, found the app05:37
stdinxsacha: ask in #kubuntu-devel05:37
wolferineown window, lets look at the man05:38
xsachastdin: nevermind, it's a xephyr thing and it's not the blocker.. working fine now05:38
Dr_Willis__conky is neat - but can be a real pain05:38
wolferinei am getting that impression very quicklyt05:39
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gehzumteufelanyone know any good pcmcia wifi cards?05:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about conky - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:39
gehzumteufelim dying05:39
Dr_Willis__print out its example config files  :)05:40
intelikey!info conky05:40
ubotuconky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 123 kB, installed size 416 kB05:40
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xsachadamn, kwin4 has 34 plugins05:40
Dr_Willis__xsacha:  is one a conky plugin? :)05:40
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xsachano, they are all compiz-like effects05:40
xsachaDrunken, Wavy, Flame, ..05:41
Dr_Willis__bah! :)05:41
xsachaa lot of them are worse than the ones in compiz.. as in entirely useless... drunken -- come on05:41
intelikeydoes conky require any root privs?05:41
Dr_Willis__Drunken will make ME more productive!05:41
hitmanWillyxsacha, but fun :)05:41
Dr_Willis__intelikey:  Not that i am aware of.05:41
wolferineconky does not05:41
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hitmanWillyxsacha, ok, more stuff to eat RAM, fun times!!05:42
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Dr_Willis__well bbl.05:42
dthackermmmmmmm RAM05:42
wolferinemmmm, 3GB of RAM05:42
xsachahitmanWilly: well.. considering compiz uses like 4MB of RAM and only adds on about 20MB to Xorg.. thats not much waste :P05:42
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wolferineos[Linux 2.6.20-16-generic i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ @ 2.22GHz]  mem[Physical : 3043MB, 88.8% free]  disk[Total : 965.28GB, 39.80% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] ]  sound[] 05:43
xsachaSysinfo for 'coco': Linux 2.6.22-9-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ at 2002 MHz (4009 bogomips), HD: 10/71GB, RAM: 748/756MB, 112 proc's, 5.42h up05:43
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dthackerwolferine: yeah, it's got a hemi05:43
wolferineah, good, another n o n dualer05:43
xsachan o n dualer?05:43
xsachaoh dual-core05:43
xsachayeah this comp is about 4 years old05:44
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xsachayeah ive had 512 for ages and decided to steal 256 from another computer to get more cache05:44
xsachai dont notice any speed increase though.. everything (except firefox) still seems to load instant05:44
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wolferinewhat addon for system info, xsacha ?05:45
intelikeyconky doesn't seem to run on my system05:46
hitmanWillyintelikey, is this the one you run as init?05:46
wolferineintelikey, errors?05:46
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gehzumteufeli wish i knew more about linux to strip shit05:46
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intelikeyhitmanWilly yeah.  i run all of them that way.05:47
stdin!langiage > gehzumteufel05:47
xsachagehzumteufel: i think it starts like this:     init 305:47
wolferinegehzumteufel, 'linux server hacks', look for the torrent05:47
gehzumteufelstdin: Sorry, I don't know anything about langiage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:47
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hitmanWillyintelikey, that may be causing some problems, plus it is an X app05:47
gehzumteufelxsacha: ?05:47
xsachagehzumteufel: and then you rip everything out of your kernel.. like USB, Flash and so on05:47
intelikeyhitmanWilly ;/05:48
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, in other words, do a basic gentoo install :)05:48
xsachaand then you choose only programs you want05:48
gehzumteufelthats how i TRIED to start05:48
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gehzumteufeli failed05:48
xsacha<-- i dont use USB, so i dont need it in kernel05:48
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, many do05:48
stdingehzumteufel: heh, that's a typo in my script :P anyway, please watch the language in here05:48
xsachait saves like 22KB05:48
intelikeywolferine http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3886005:48
gehzumteufelxsacha: LOL a whole 22k!05:48
xsachamaybe 60..05:48
xsachait's a lot :P05:48
gehzumteufelxsacha: this aint fucking 486 days where we haev 128k of ram!05:49
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gehzumteufelerr 286*05:49
dthacker! language | gehzumteufel05:49
ubotugehzumteufel: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.05:49
xsachaget kernel under 1MB :) ubuntu one is 4-7 or something05:49
intelikeyhitmanWilly could you explain how it would cause a problem what init you use ?05:49
gehzumteufeldthacker: ?05:49
wolferineintelikey, as sudo?05:49
gandhiiI noticed that when typing just a word like "newegg" in the address field of firefox it doesn't check automatically check google and bring me straight to newegg.com like it does when using firefox in wondows or macOSX..  is there a setting for this somewhere where I haven't seen it yet?05:49
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intelikeywolferine no05:49
wolferineintelikey, whats the command u used?05:49
hitmanWillyintelikey, not sure if it even does, that was just a guess05:50
intelikeyi clicked the menu itom05:50
dthackergehzumteufel: please watch the language.  thanks :)05:50
xsachagandhii: oh yeah i remember that happening on windows05:50
stdingandhii: you can press Ctrl-Enter to auto add .com to the end05:50
gehzumteufeldthacker: will do05:50
xsachagandhii: it works here05:50
xsachaon linux too05:50
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wolferineintelikey, run from command line, see what you get05:50
intelikeywolferine i installed conky and it put a listing for it in system tools   so i clicked it05:50
xsachastdin: i just type in "newegg" and it turns it into http://www.newegg.com when you hit enter05:51
intelikeywolferine ok.05:51
gandhiihmm..  odd..  not here..  i guess i'll keep poking at it then.. till i figure it out.. thanks for verifying that it is not a linux thing.  ;] 05:51
gehzumteufelhow do i build my own kernel in kubuntu05:51
gehzumteufelnot the same way as gentoo im assuming05:51
gehzumteufelor is it05:51
ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild05:51
gehzumteufeli used genkernel05:51
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, its a massive pain, even more so than normal05:52
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto05:52
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: even worse than on gentoo? i have done that before..but i never sucessfully got a working gentoo system05:52
xsachagehzumteufel: there's only a few 1000 settings.. after your eyes bleed through them for about 5 hours and you've ticked everything you want and then compile.. you might find it doesnt work :(05:52
intelikeywolferine ooo yuch.   same exact terminal output   but it wrote some rediculessly small crap in the desktop05:52
wolferinethats the app :/05:52
gehzumteufelxsacha: haha yeah been there05:52
dthackergehzumteufel: you may also want to look at http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu05:53
xsachagehzumteufel: if you've done it heaps of times, it's easy though :)05:53
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intelikeycan't read it it's too small in 640x480 zoom05:53
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, not only do you have to deal with the normal kernel stuff, ie gentoo, but you also have to build an initrd img and repackage as a .deb05:53
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wolferineintelikey, here, use this command line: conky -a bottom_right -d -o05:53
gehzumteufelxsacha: well i got a good basic understanding of most of what i do need but at the same time i dont.05:53
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, ok, you really don't have to repackage it, but its either that or edit grub by hand05:53
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gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: editing grub by hand is easy05:54
jryhigginsi know this is the wrong channel but will someone tell me the terminal command to add a user to virtual box? in /dev/vboxdrv05:54
gehzumteufelim not afraid of command prompt05:54
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xsachaediting grub isnt hard :)05:54
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, i agree with you, but i wasn't sure if you were comfortable with it05:54
stdinjryhiggins: there is a vbox group, add users to that group05:54
jryhigginsstdin: how?05:54
Scorpaeni need help with mounting an NTFS volume. it keeps showing up as owned by root05:55
stdinjryhiggins: in system settings05:55
Scorpaeni think my fstab is wrong05:55
Scorpaeni need the user to be able to READ the files05:55
Scorpaenhwo do i do this?05:55
stdinScorpaen: post it to pastebin05:55
CrellEntirely unrelated question.  Recently in Konqueror, whenever I open a new window I get not one but three tabs by default.  It's happening on two different Feisty systems.  Has anyone seen that before and/or fixed it?05:55
stdin!paste | Scorpaen05:55
ubotuScorpaen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)05:55
jryhigginsstdin: thnx05:55
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: hehe im not just the regular point and click kids....i grew up with command line. we had dos till win95 was out. then we got win31. got 95 when 98 was out. lol05:55
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, a lot of the people we get in here have no idea whatsoever that there even is a cmd line05:55
xsachaCrell: that'd probably be your default session05:55
gehzumteufelhaha i believe it05:55
Scorpaenstdin: it's just one line man : /dev/sdb1       /mnt/sdb1       ntfs    user    0 005:56
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, old DOS kid myself :)05:56
Scorpaenwhat could be wrong?05:56
xsachaCrell: Load Profile View / Save Profile View is in Settings Menu05:56
CrellIs there a way to edit the default settion directly?05:56
stdinScorpaen: change "user" to "user,fmask=111,dmask=000"05:56
xsachaCrell: just load up whatever you want.. then save that and that'll be default05:56
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, and win 3.1 was really just a DOS frontend anyway :)05:57
xsachaCrell: the window size and layout and everything is saved05:57
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Dr_willisThe whole 'save session/layout' thing is a tad confusing. :)05:57
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: hehe we had this menu system that i cant remember what its called. it was dos based but we used it so that my family could use it without remember commands. i was the nerd. :D05:57
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: haha yeah i know. a gui for dos05:57
stonedstdin: hey what was that link again for 64bit java/flash05:57
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, roflmao05:57
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Crellhm.  Seems like a misconfiguration in the default profile, since it's happened on a fresh install.05:57
stdinstoned: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava05:57
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, remember windows 2 i think it was?05:58
gehzumteufelyou mean 1?05:58
jryhigginsstdin: my systems settings program keeps crashing, whats the command line command for adding the user?05:58
gehzumteufelthat shit SUCKED ASS!05:58
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, yeah, that one :)05:58
stdin!language | gehzumteufel05:58
ubotugehzumteufel: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.05:58
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, and you really gotta watch the language in here :)05:58
gehzumteufelim not used to it05:58
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gehzumteufeli try to watch it05:58
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, i feel your pain05:58
gehzumteufelive been on irc for years05:59
jryhigginscan someone tell me how to add a user to a particular user group using terminal?05:59
gehzumteufelits odd to find a channel that makes you watch your lang05:59
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hitmanWillyjryhiggins, adduser is a nice user friendly script to do it05:59
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gehzumteufelgood deal?05:59
xsachajryhiggins: using addgroup ?06:00
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jryhigginsanyway i just need to add myself to the virtual box user group06:00
xsachaoh. mm06:00
jryhigginsto /dev/vboxdrv is what it says06:00
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, assuming it works :), otherwise you have a $10 paperweight...06:01
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: yeah but for $20 you really cant beat it06:01
gehzumteufelerr that was a different one than i was thinking06:01
gehzumteufelbut still $10 is good06:01
gehzumteufelif it works of course06:02
hitmanWillygehzumteufel, yeah, id say its worth a shot...atheros works from what i can remember06:02
gehzumteufelatheros, orinoco, and prism cards06:02
gehzumteufelbut prism cards dont support g06:02
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wolferinethat work intelikey ?06:03
meisus there a centralized control pane comparable to yast from suse linux06:03
meisis* not us06:03
blaizeWhat is a good image editing software for linux?06:03
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hitmanWillymeis, adept06:03
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stdinmeis: system settings for, well, system settings06:04
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Shadow_milquestion, is the kubuntu team going to be waiting for KDE4 instead of trying to add beryl/compiz to the distro?06:04
hitmanWillyi thought yast was just a pkg manager?06:04
gehzumteufelhitmanWilly: yeah but im on a laptop that im unsure of where the mini-pci slot is and whether or not the antenna is in it06:04
Shadow_milalso, will KDE4 be released for feisty?06:05
meisyast is a complete centralixed control panel06:05
stdinShadow_mil: no, compiz-fusion will be before then06:05
blaizeHow do I check my system settings like Ram and Processor Speed through linux?06:05
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Shadow_milstdin, ok, well KDE4 is due to be released at the end of this mouth I believe and will have many openGL features that compiz-fusion has06:06
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stdinShadow_mil: kde4 is scheduled for 1st release in october06:06
gehzumteufeli wish OGL took hold over DirectX06:06
Shadow_milhmmm, they must had set it back06:06
gehzumteufelits so much better and platform independent06:07
blaizeAnybody? On how to check system info like ram and processor speed?06:07
gehzumteufelyou dont know what you have to begin with?06:07
wolferineok, nite ppl06:07
stdinShadow_mil: it won't be in gutsy, and it won't be in the release after that either (not by default)06:07
Shadow_milgehzumteufel, they have announced openGL 306:07
wolferinestdin, dont stay up too late.... again06:08
meisi'm having trouble also with building from source, the configure script is complaining that the c compiler cannot create binaries06:08
stdinwolferine: I probably will :p but good night :)06:08
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stdinmeis: install build-essential06:08
gehzumteufelShadow_mil: well i was referring to developer support06:08
Shadow_milstdin, :\   KDE4 looks like its going to have a lot more cool stuff and will be faster06:08
stdinmeis: also check there isn't a packages version first06:09
gehzumteufelhopefully kde4 will be easy to install after its finished06:09
blaizestdin, hey you helped me earlier I'm on computer that I bought from someone and the ram doesn't list its amount and the processor doesn't tell its speed how can I check that through the linux interface06:09
gehzumteufelis it even worth intsalling now?06:09
meisthat seems to have done the trick thanks06:09
stdinblaize: cat /proc/cpuinfo and cat /proc/meminfo06:10
stdinShadow_mil: it won't be in gutsy because KDE4 won't be ready, and it can't be in gutsy+1 bacuse gutsy+1 will be LTS06:10
ubotuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.06:11
intelikeycat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo06:11
gehzumteufelstdin: is kde4 worth installing right now?06:11
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Shadow_milstdin, :\06:11
gehzumteufelor is it more a pain than its worth06:11
intelikeystdin gutsy+1 == LTS ???06:12
stdingehzumteufel: you can install it side by side with kde3, see /topic06:12
stdinintelikey: yep06:12
intelikeyevery two years ?06:12
gehzumteufelstdin: right i saw that. but seems like your already using it. at least thats what it sounds like.06:12
meishow about the termcap/curses library?06:12
intelikeyseems to soon    supported for 3years on the desktop but we'll have another one in two.... ?06:12
stdinintelikey: don't know for sure, but it looks like about that06:12
gehzumteufelso i was wondering what your opinion was regarding performance and the way it runs06:13
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intelikeyubuntu just don't like me...06:13
gehzumteufeland if its worth the trouble of installing06:13
stdingehzumteufel: I have used it a bit yes, but not as my default desktop, it's too buggy06:13
gehzumteufelok so really more of a pain than anything06:13
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gehzumteufeli hope they fixed the Ktorrent version in Gutsy06:14
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stdingehzumteufel: it's definitely not ready for general use06:14
xsachagehzumteufel: it's not really a pain because it doesnt affect your desktop06:14
xsachagehzumteufel: but it doesnt really offer anything yet.. i can take a screenshot if you want06:14
Shadow_milOh I want to see a screenshot of it06:14
gehzumteufelxsacha: that would be cool. im not so much concerned with effects. although that is nice and all im more concerned on how well and smooth it runs06:15
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gehzumteufelintelikey: you can make anything look like anything if you want. it just takes time and dedication06:15
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intelikeyand the "right" mouse button06:16
gehzumteufelanyone know what ktorrent version is in gutsy?06:16
intelikey!info ktorrent gutsy06:16
ubotuktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2698 kB, installed size 9932 kB06:16
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gehzumteufelthe version that came with feisty is really old and crashed all the time on me06:17
xsachagehzumteufel: screeny pleasure: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7466/screenyvw6.png06:17
intelikeynote the same info strings work in pm with the bot06:17
gehzumteufelxsacha: thanks!06:17
gehzumteufellooks nice06:17
intelikey@ gehzumteufel06:18
gehzumteufelbut looks can be made that way in all06:18
gehzumteufelintelikey: ahh k thanks for the info.06:18
zariliondoes anyone have any speculations on when the gutsy beta will be out ?06:18
xsachagehzumteufel: as you can see, it's very incomplete there.. they havent actually really started on the 'visuals' yet.. so dont look at those06:18
xsachagehzumteufel: it's still using the kde3 decorator as default06:19
gehzumteufelxsacha: haha yeah i saw LOTS of icons missing, lots of unpolished stuff06:19
Shadow_milbiggest concern I have with KDE 4, is that GTK apps will end up standing out even more :\06:19
xsachagehzumteufel: systemsetting is very incomplete.. ill show you a screenshot of phonon06:19
intelikeyzarilion   /join #ubuntu+106:19
xsachagehzumteufel: here http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9886/screeny1gg5.png06:19
xsachagehzumteufel: all those items on left hand side (notifications, music, video).. dont change the right hand side06:20
xsachagehzumteufel: if you click on Backends, the only backend is "Fake"06:20
gehzumteufelShadow_mil: in my experience they have always stood out. i remember using mandrake 6 and they stood out06:20
stdinzarilion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule06:20
intelikeywhat's that char ^ ?06:20
zarilionthank's  :)06:20
intelikeyi can type that but i don't know what it is,      anyone ?06:21
stdinintelikey: shows as an empty box06:21
hitmanWillyintelikey, looks like some kinda boxy thing...06:21
gehzumteufelxsacha:  LOL06:21
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intelikeyhmmm  /me types in unknown chars....06:21
Shadow_milgehzumteufel, yeah but the thing is, with QT4, will have the API needed to use openGL on menu stuff, even things like typing into textbox 3D effects and stuff.  But I don't know if they carry it over.06:21
hitmanWillyxsacha, hmm, interesting, looks like a hybrid of system settings and kcontrol...06:21
xsachahitmanWilly: kcontrol no longer exists..06:22
gehzumteufelShadow_mil: ahh i see what your saying. well i guess we will find out right?06:22
stonedstdin: thanks06:22
zhaofeihow to jion a home ?06:22
hitmanWillyxsacha, too bad06:22
xsachagehzumteufel: this sums up the current status of KDE4 beta: http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5258/screeny2ia8.png06:22
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stdinstoned: :)06:22
stonedzhaofei: umm.. you should already have a home06:22
Shadow_milgehzumteufel, I guess06:22
stonedI got flash working06:22
gehzumteufelxsacha: hahahaha06:22
zhaofeiubuntu-cn   thie home06:22
stonedhave not yest tested java/limewire06:22
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stonedstdin: any word on the wiring of the limes  under amd6406:22
meishow do you get mp3 support working in kubuntu feisty06:23
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stdin!mp3 | meis06:23
stonedI also would like to get mp3 support06:23
ubotumeis: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:23
Shadow_milgehzum, I am really want to see what all types of effect plugins will come out06:23
xsachameis: i just ran amarok, played an mp3.. it asked to download something, i clicked yes, it started playing06:23
Shadow_milI really*06:23
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meisi'm finally getting mysql to compile, yay!06:23
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stdinstoned: not sure, you can try and see06:24
stdinmeis: compile ?06:24
zhaofeiwhat's command to jion  ubuntu-cn home ?06:24
intelikeymy favorite monitor just crapped out06:24
gehzumteufelShadow_mil: yeah it would be nice. i really want to see linux interface with WM devices06:24
hitmanWillyintelikey, how old was this one :)06:24
intelikeyhitmanWilly ummm i'll look for a date on it.  give me a sec06:24
xsachazhaofei: /join #ubuntu-cn06:24
meisi just wish that kubuntu had a better installer, with more options to choose the packges i want06:24
hitmanWillyintelikey, nm :P06:25
intelikeyno i'm curious too06:25
zhaofeithank you very much06:25
meisstdin: compile means to create binaries from source06:25
xsachazhaofei: or just click on that link: #ubuntu-cn06:25
stdinmeis: I know what it means... why are you compiling ?06:25
hitmanWillyintelikey, what crapped out on it?06:25
zhaofeiok  thanks~~~06:25
gehzumteufelmeis: that would be nice06:25
Shadow_milgehzum, its really kinda sad, I like the KDE interface and system configuration tools, but at the same time, I like A LOT of GTK apps (xchat, pidgin, etc)06:25
hitmanWillywoo hoo! kde is finished compiling...06:25
meisstdin: two reasons, one, apt-get doesn't have a mysql package, and two, i always find mysql runs better when compiled from source06:26
gehzumteufelShadow_mil: yeah i use pidgin. it works the best06:26
xsachafirst time i compiled kde, it took 5 hours06:26
Shadow_milgehzum, it makes me sad that they don't work in-sync as well as I would help06:26
intelikeyhitmanWilly manufactured june of 92    the colour just went berzerk  now it's normal in the very center, and rainbowed all around06:26
purpleposeidonI, err, replaced vi with a circular symlink... how do I fix this?06:26
xsachameis: woah.. no apt package for lamp?06:27
hitmanWillyintelikey, one of the color guns blew, sounds like06:27
stdin!find mysql | meis06:27
ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)06:27
ubotumeis: Found: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, libdbd-mysql-perl, libmysql-java, libmysqlclient15-dev, libmysqlclient15off (and 82 others)06:27
stdin!info mysql-server06:27
ubotumysql-server: mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.38-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 46 kB, installed size 84 kB06:27
intelikeyhitmanWilly it was an "svga" 15"  very good quality picture       until now.06:27
meislike i said i prefer to install all three of those from source06:27
gehzumteufelShadow_mil: yeah its kinda sad in that respect when it comes to the linux development community. there are some really stupid things that go on06:28
stdinmeis: ever thought about gentoo ? :p06:28
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mars2686stdin: hi06:29
gehzumteufelintelikey: 15"!?!?! omg thats TINY!!!!06:29
meisstdin: kubuntu is the debian based linux i've used for quite some time, i rather dislike debian distros, but everyone seems to love ubuntu, so i chose kubuntu because gnome sucks06:29
gehzumteufelstdin: i did. failed to get it working so i gave up06:29
intelikeywell i don't think it's really worth trying to fix, so; i'll down grade to the newer one.06:29
stdinmars2686: freenode has a one connection per user policy :p06:29
x04ty29erintelikey: how can you downgrade to a newer one?06:30
intelikeygehzumteufel actually it was big for it's day.   maybe you don't recall 1992.06:30
gehzumteufelintelikey: lol i know of a great monitor...although its kinda old and out of production. you can find them on ebay though06:30
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gehzumteufelintelikey: lol yeah. we had a 14" SVGA in 199306:30
mars2686stdin: you tryin' to call me fat?06:30
meisso this is me trying a debian distro again, and so far still not that impressed, no offense.  i normally use openSuSE, which is much more configurable and smoother on use06:30
intelikeyx04ty29er ummm unplug the one and plug the other in ???06:30
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x04ty29erintelikey: i see..............?06:31
stdinmars2686: I would tell you to go to -offtopic for off topic discussion, but ...06:31
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stonedwhen I click a folder icon in konqueror, why does it come up?06:32
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intelikeyx04ty29er most people seem to have a false idea of what an "upgrade" is,   up implies better,  so even thought it's newer if it's of lower quality it's a downgrade not an upgrade.06:32
stonedthe icon animation06:32
mars2686stdin: lol06:32
stonedhow can I turn it off06:32
xsachastoned: the bouncing?06:32
xsachabouncy bouncy06:32
stonedi hate that06:32
x04ty29erintelikey: i see. I get it now06:32
xsachastoned: me too,.. in kcontrol -> appearance -> launch feedback06:32
stonednot that06:32
meisbtw anyone know how i can turn of the splash screen on boot? i rather prefer to see what is loading and its progress06:33
xsachawhat else bounces?06:33
stonedlike in konqueor you browse /home, and you have /home/prawn06:33
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stdinmeis: remove "splash" from the boot line06:33
stonedI mean, when you click an icon, it animates06:33
stonedits like the icon gets bigger and bigger06:33
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stonedi want to turn that off06:33
xsachamm i dont have that06:33
x04ty29erstoned: So like what happens in mac is what you want to turn off?06:34
stdinxsacha: do you have kde 3.5.7 ?06:34
stonedi guess06:34
meisstdin: is there a graphical grub configuration editor, or do i have to edit the grub configurations from the /boot06:34
xsachastoned: oh you mean kcontrol -> appearance -> icons -> advanced -> animate icons?06:34
stonedit doesn't happen in kde06:34
stonedonly in kubuntu06:34
stonedfor some reason06:34
xsachathats just one up from launch feedback06:34
stonedwell it never happened in debian06:34
x04ty29erstoned: kubuntu uses kde06:34
xsachastoned: nevermind, thats not it06:34
stonedanimate icon is unchecked everywhere06:35
stonedstill  it animates06:35
stdinmeis: there isn't a graphical grub config (yet, it was too buggy) so you'll have to hand edit06:35
intelikeyx04ty29er but kde doesn't use kubuntu06:35
intelikeykubuntu uses linux     but linux doesn't use kubuntu06:35
stonedkubuntu has added/modified stuff06:35
meisyikes, i'll use suse to configure grub to launch kubuntu then06:35
stonedits using kde, but it modiefies and adds to it06:35
stonedi think06:35
xsachai think what hes getting at is: Kubuntu doesnt use KDE default settings06:36
stonedhow can i turn it off06:36
stdinintelikey: well, they kinda do, that take a lot of code/featured from kubuntu06:36
intelikeystoned kcontrol06:36
x04ty29erstoned: I can't repilcate what you are describing right now. can you give me some more info?06:36
meissomeone needs to create a yast for kubuntu06:36
intelikeystdin who ?06:36
stdinintelikey: KDE06:36
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locowhere can i find one easy guide to compile the kernel of ubuntu?06:37
stdinintelikey: or rather, the KDE developers and community06:37
x04ty29ermeis: you mean you don't like the built in package manager>06:37
stdin!kernel | loco06:37
ubotuloco: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild06:37
intelikeystdin heh   probably so.   i haven't tried to see where they were grabbing their newest ideas06:37
stonedthis only happens when you click a folder icon.  the icon gets bigger and bigger for a half second, like animate-icon-getting-big-because-you-clicked-it-effect06:37
stonedi want to turn it off dangit06:37
stdinintelikey: eg: in KDE4 kcontrol will be replaced with system settings06:37
xsachastoned: the icon remains in place but a second icon (transparent) is over the top getting bigger?06:37
stonedi guess06:38
meisx04ty29er: yast is far more than a package manager: package management is just a module of yast06:38
stonedI don't know how its made06:38
intelikeytotally replaced ?   or just the default ?06:38
meisx04ty29er: yast is an entire centralized control panel06:38
xsachaintelikey: kcontrol doesnt exist in KDE trunk anymore06:38
intelikeyhmmm   sad.06:38
intelikeybest app   kde had06:38
stdinintelikey: well, the intent is to replace it one day, but for the 1st few releases both will be available (system settings being default)06:39
stonedc'mon man06:39
stonedsomebody has to know how to turn this annoying thing off06:39
meisx04ty29er: check this out http://en.opensuse.org/Yast06:39
stdinstoned: thought about asking in #kde?06:39
stonedits not a kde default setting06:39
stonedi could try06:39
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intelikeystoned and did you look in kcontrol06:39
stonedthey would probably direct me to #kubuntu06:39
stonedintelikey: look for what06:39
stdinstoned: it is in kde3.5.706:40
stonedall the settings I think would apply, don't apply06:40
intelikeystoned for what you want to affect06:40
meisx04ty29er: what project would that be?06:40
intelikeystoned one could do what i do first raddle out of the box   rm ~/.kde   and reset X   then you get asked about kde setup when you login and tell it minimal affects (all affects off)     i never have icon zomming or bouncing mice06:42
intelikeythen look in kcontrol06:42
stonedthat is a horrible solution06:42
intelikeyit's there some place06:42
stonedyou should never EVER tell anyone to do that, ever.06:42
hydrogenexcept for when they want to reset to defaults06:42
hydrogenwhich is why it was done there06:43
stonedhydrogen: well, yeah06:43
intelikeystoned i tell people to  rm -r ~/      "dude"06:43
hydrogenblanket statements only expose the holes in said blanket06:43
stonedwhat are you like 50?06:43
stonedwhy put dude in quotes unless you are being sarcastic06:43
stonedand being sarcastic about that is retarded btw06:43
stonedjust fyi.06:43
intelikeyno i'm not 50 im just retarded06:44
stonedwhatever, have at it.06:44
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stoned |06:45
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stonedyou messed up my lol dude06:45
stoned |06:45
stoned/ \06:45
stdinstoned: this channel is not for doodles06:45
stonedhah, got it06:45
Daisuke_Idoascii art = spam = very very offtopic06:45
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!06:45
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stdinstoned: keep it on topic to take it to offtopic06:46
Daisuke_Idobesides, it looks like absolutely nothing if you're not using a monospaced font here.06:46
mars2686take it to offtopic... cause kittenmaster is very bored there06:46
stonedhow many more people are going to say that06:46
mars2686it's a true story v.v06:46
stonedwhy not 300+ people tell me to take if offtopic06:47
stonedis this not considered sspam?06:47
mars2686no... I really want more people in off topic ;-)06:47
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gehzumteufelwhats the off topic channel?06:47
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!06:47
gehzumteufelahh k06:47
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mars2686without the second dash06:47
stonedthis is offtopic06:47
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stonedtake it elsewhere06:48
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!06:49
stdinmars2686, you know the offtopic channel, so stop the botabuse06:50
mars2686sorry :'(06:50
stonedwhen i was on topic no one could help me06:50
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mars2686I just want more friends stdin06:50
stonedmy self respect was finished a long time ago. I need no new friends or respect from anyone06:51
stonedi have enough friends, new friends take too much time, especially if they don't use linux06:51
stonedthat is the hardest06:51
stonedyou try to get them to use linux,  you give em a free ubuntu cd06:51
stonedthen you go over next week and its all scratched up, on the floor, and they still use windows06:51
stonedI swear to god...06:52
stdinstoned: take it to #kubuntu-offtopic last warning now06:52
stonedthis icon won't go off06:52
stonedi've looked all through kcontrol no dice06:53
stonedstdin: you can help me in #offtopic?06:53
stonedor whatever06:53
stdinI already said, if no one knows in here, ask in #kde06:53
stonedhow come no one knows how to turn off this damn thing06:54
stonedI did06:54
stonedso basically if either silence or kubuntu stuff in here?06:55
stonednothing else is allowed?06:55
xsachai prefer the solution: compile kde on kubuntu.. that'll use kde default settings, surely06:55
stonedthas kinda stupid06:55
mars2686that's what the off topic is for06:55
stdinstoned: tough06:55
stonedyeh tough, but stupid06:55
stoneddon't worry im not trying to change policy06:55
mars2686off topic is more fun anyways...06:55
stonedjust expressming my opinion about the policy06:55
stonedits freaking retarded.06:55
stonednow im done06:55
mars2686just go into #ubuntu-offtopic real quick before the channel nazi kills up06:56
stonedi don't need to06:56
mars2686oh... but we're bored06:57
stonedeven all this is offtopic06:57
stonedisn't it06:57
mars2686(I'm done now)06:57
stonedout of 300 users or so, no one knows how to do this06:58
stonedthis is amazing06:58
Dr_willisIts offtopic talking about #ubuntu-offtopic :)06:58
Dr_willisHeh heh06:58
Dr_williswhats the question?  i missed it.06:58
stonedoh boy06:58
stoned12:38 <          stoned> how do you turn off the icon animation when you click on a folder06:59
stoned12:38 <          stoned> its like a transparent folder over it, and gets bigger and bigger because you clicked it06:59
stoned12:39 <          stoned> I'd like to turn off all icon animations.  in kcontrol I've set icons > advanced > animations unchecked06:59
stoned12:39 <          stoned> I've also restarted konqueror, however it still animates06:59
stonedplease advise.07:00
xsachadesktop icons do this too btw07:00
Dr_willisHmm.. cant say that ive ever noticed an animation for a folder.07:00
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stonedI swear to god man07:00
stonedI am NOT THAT HIGH07:00
stonedI see it07:00
stonedright now, I clicked on it and I see it.  Just basic kubuntu default install and updated to 3.5.707:00
stonedthats it07:00
Dr_willisHmm.. there is a slighjt flicker/zoom effect it seems. :)07:00
Dr_willisso fast makes ya wonder why they bothered.07:00
stonedits annoying07:01
Dr_willisso annoying - ive never evennoticed it befor. :)07:01
stonedmaybe it isn't annoying to you07:01
monkeybritchesDid you try going into Settings > Appearance & Themes > Icons > and uncheck the 'Animate icons' box?07:01
intelikeyit's annoyed me for the last half hour07:01
stonedyes I have07:01
Dr_willisits so fast - i have to watch closely to even notice it.07:01
stonedthat was the first thing I did07:01
stonedits pretty slow here07:02
stonedand it slows things down07:02
Dr_willislow end machine eh?07:02
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Dr_willisHmm.. I dont recall ever seeing that effect on my laptop however...07:02
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Dr_willislet me check it.07:02
=== n8k99 has noticed, and liked it
stonedat least the good doctor is willing to help07:03
stonedpraised be the lord07:03
meisi do have to give kubuntu this, it does compile things at a decent speed07:03
Dr_williscould go to 'view -> viewmode -> text mode' :) no icons then07:03
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xsachaother than making it slower07:03
n8k99stoned: kcontrol > Style > Effect> unclick Enable GUI Effects07:03
xsachastoned: screenshot: http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2065/screenyba5.png07:04
stonedits unckecked to begin with07:04
Dr_willisn8k99,  i was just THINKING that on the laptop - i ran that kde-firsttime-wizard - and disabled just that.. :) wasent sure where to find it. it had a lot of other 'disable stuff' settings as well.07:04
stonedhelp me to turn it off and I will give you a candy bar07:04
meisbtw is the firewall enabled by default in kubuntu?07:04
xsachaonly a candy bar? :(07:05
Dr_willismeis,  no its not07:05
stoneddude c'mon07:05
Dr_willisthat setting had no effect here.07:05
meisthank goodness07:05
stdinmeis: iptables has no rules set by default07:05
Dr_willislet me check the laptop.07:05
intelikeyDr_willis yeah i sujested that,  but i'm retarded...07:05
stonedthis guy has no sense of humor either apparantly07:06
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stonedintelikey: I obviously didn't mean you were retarded, but if you want to continue down this road, I'll simply ignore.  Try to grow up a bit07:06
Dr_willislaptop does it also..  never have noticed that effect.07:06
stdinenough of the personal attacks.07:07
Best-BearI just switched to Kubuntu from Ubuntu recently, I see it comes with IPTables. I don't remeber that being there in Ubuntu07:07
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intelikeyand stoned don't get started again.  i know why you said that.     don't worry,  if you can rouse me from that distance   you beet the rest of the world hands down... ;)07:07
Dr_willislets see.. whats the name of the kde-wizard that can set a lot of things.07:07
stonedthen quit throwing tha tin my face every 2 minutes07:07
stdinBest-Bear: it was, it's built in to the kernel07:07
stonedI meant no harm07:07
intelikeyme either,07:07
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stonedxsacha: 2 candy bars?07:08
stonedc'mon man  :)07:08
xsachawho needs candy bars07:08
Best-Bearstdin, Thanks!07:08
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intelikeyBest-Bear the app "iptables" is used to control the iptables rules   but iptables "the functionality" is in the kernel on 99.9% linux systems07:09
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Best-Beariptables controls netfiler stuff in kernel? I'm glad the IPTables default policy is set to ACCEPT,07:10
intelikeyhope that didn't sound confusing07:10
Dr_willisthere we go  kpersonalizer07:10
Dr_willis!find kpersonalizer07:10
ubotuFound: kpersonalizer07:10
Dr_willis!info kpersonalizer07:10
ubotukpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 490 kB, installed size 808 kB07:10
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Best-Bear!info netfilter07:11
Dr_willisNope still does it. even with it set to the lowest settings for effects07:11
ubotuPackage netfilter does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas07:11
intelikeyBest-Bear yes there is an app called "iptables" can be installed or removed   which controls 'iptables rules' the net-filter you spoke of.07:12
Best-Bear!info net-filter07:12
ubotuPackage net-filter does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas07:12
intelikeyno no.   !info iptables07:12
xsacha!info dolphin07:12
Best-Bear!info iptables07:12
ubotudolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB07:13
ubotuiptables: administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. In component main, is standard. Version (feisty), package size 365 kB, installed size 1260 kB07:13
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).07:13
Best-Bearah Thanks intelikey !07:13
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mikesssAudio device: Intel Corporation 82801G ,,any fix yet?07:13
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stoned01:11 <            Sho_> stoned: Then I don't think you can turn it off ... the superimposed translcuent growing icon effect is a patch they found on kde-apps and applied07:13
stonedthis is from a kde dev07:13
stonedseems like a kubuntu issue07:13
Dr_willisstoned,  highly likely then.07:14
Dr_williskubuntu adds a lot of eye-candy/polish/bling07:14
stonedthen does anyone know how to unpatch this crap07:14
stdinstoned: then ask in #kubuntu-devel07:14
stonedoh geez07:14
Dr_willisuse the source, and recompile would be one way. (ick)07:14
stonedthis is just like microsoft's BS07:14
stonedquit deciding things for me07:14
Dr_willisits possible theres some settting in the .kde dir that disables it. I cant find any luck on it in google.07:14
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vsudilovhaving trouble with video playback...every 10 or so seconds the video (DVD video, YouTube video, etc) stops for about a quarter of a second and then resumes playing. I'm using xv in kaffeine-xine to watch the dvd by the way07:15
stonedim talking to kubuntu, not you07:15
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Dr_willisHmm.. thats sort of the main selling point of Kubuntu/Ubuntu.07:16
xsachastoned: i think you need to download the src(through apt), then run: patch --reverse superimposed-translucent-growing-icon-effect.patch && sudo make install07:16
Dr_willisheck that is the ONLY point to OS-X :)07:16
stonedI think I pickedup a wrong distro to use07:16
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Lynourestoned: if you want less things decided for you, try Debian07:16
Dr_willisThis is Linux - use what you want.07:16
stonedI've been a debian user07:17
Dr_willisIf you have a very low end box. then you may want to check out the mini disrtos.07:17
stonedfor close to 7-8 years07:17
Dr_willisbut it all depends on your needs.07:17
stonedI figured i'd give ubuntu a shot07:17
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Lynourestoned: not everything is for everybody.07:17
stonedpeople keep telling me , oh yeah, try 7.04, its the best one blahblah blah07:18
xsachasuperimposed-translucent-growing-icon-effect.patch      has a good 'ring' to it. no wonder they used this07:18
Dr_willisi do recall the last time i saw some one mention a kubuntu enhancement. there was a  text config file that disable it.. someone knew about07:18
stonedbut why?07:18
Best-Bearstoned, do you have a "theme manager" under settings -> appearance & themes?07:18
stonedwhy put it in?07:18
stonedits a dumb patch to apply lol07:18
xsachait sounds cool stoned07:18
intelikeystoned there is always that false hype with flavour of the month distros07:18
stonedxsacha: that it does my friend07:18
Shadow_milhey I just installed compiz-fusion, and I don't have any title bars, do I need to install a theme manager like aquamarine or what ever07:18
stonedthat it does :)07:18
stonedif i could, I'd kick it in the nuts, damn patch :)07:18
stdinstoned: have you asked in #kubuntu-devel ?07:19
stonedso which package was this patch applied to/07:19
stonedstdin: no, since I'm not a developer07:19
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Dr_willisSEEMS to be the patch/change07:19
stdinstoned: if no one knows here, ask there07:19
Dr_willisThis replaces the zooming rectangle that is drawn if you activate an icon in konqueror for execution feedback. It removes the rectangle and instead zooms the icon bigger and fades it out while doing. It's like MacOS X execution feedback.07:19
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monkeybritchesshadow_mil: try emerald07:19
Shadow_milI thought that emerald was for gnome?07:20
stonedDr_willis: but it looks ugly and is slow and annoying to look at07:20
monkeybritchesworks on kde too07:20
stonedand folder doesn't open until the animation finishes07:20
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stdinShadow_mil: install compiz-kde07:20
Shadow_milstdin, tyy07:20
stonedDr_willis: I have a Core 2 Duo 3.5GHz, 1GB RAM, AMD64 Kubuntu 7.0407:20
stonedby no means is my machien laggy07:20
Dr_willisstoned,  i got 1/4 that system. and no hassles with it.07:21
stonedI have X1900XTX video card with fglrx drives and dri07:21
stonedand yet, this thing is retardedly slow07:21
Dr_willisI dont use the 64bit disrto however. No need for it.07:21
monkeybritchesI bet you could play a mean game of pong on that07:21
stonedyes yes07:21
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Dr_willisHmmm-- reading the patch site/info someone says --->  I've done a simple KControl module that enable/disable the effect. It simply changes the value of VisualActive value into kdeglobals file and then reload the configurations for kdesktop and kicker.07:21
stonedpong pong :)07:21
Dr_williskdeglobals file -->  VisualActive setting.07:21
stonedDr_willis: hey speak english07:21
Dr_willisTime to start grepping.07:21
stonedI dont speak 'kde'07:21
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Shadow_milok I installed compiz-kde, do I just run compiz --replace or what?07:22
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stdinShadow_mil: yeah07:23
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Dr_willisHA ha!07:24
Dr_willisi found how to tuirn it off... :)07:24
=== Dr_willis googled, and read the message board.. then went to the right place. :)
Dr_willisUnder the MOUSE SETTINGS07:25
Dr_willisgeneral tab = 'visual feedback on activation'07:25
intelikeywhere ?       in kcontrol ?07:25
stonedI think I looked there07:25
Dr_willisdont belive me then. :)07:25
Dr_willisI just disable dit.07:25
stonedI thought that did something else07:25
xsachadisables superimposed-translucent-growing-icon-effect07:26
Dr_willis3/4 the way down on that  patch conversation they discuss how to change it.. THEN someone says.. why not go to -->      ust open kcontrol then go to Devices->Mouse->Optical Feedback and untick the checkbox07:26
Dr_willisheh heh07:26
stoneddon't say that again xsacha07:26
stonedDr_willis: you are a freaking genius07:26
stoneddude if i was gay i'd be all over you07:26
Dr_willisstoned,  I just know how to google and read. :)07:26
Dr_willisdont tell my wife07:26
Dr_willisOnce ya said it was a patch, from kde-look.org, the rest was easy.07:27
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stonedyeh I guess I coulda googled it07:27
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stonedI made you do my work for me07:27
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stonedthat was bad of me, I apologize07:27
Dr_willisactually google dident do much good.07:27
Dr_willisthe fact i searched the kde-look.org site in the 'enhancements'  area. was the key07:28
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stonedyes yes07:28
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stonedenhancements are good07:28
stonedespecially in the upper body area, benchpress, silicone, whatever works07:28
Dr_williswonder if kde4 will make them more modulare07:28
stonedso anyway, I am now goign to recompile ktorrent07:28
stonedneeded to make some changes there07:28
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stonedDr_willis: thank you again my friend07:29
stonedyou are the freaking man, man.07:30
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el_ismaQuick question: In Theory, if I want to reach further away, which wifi channel should I use? The high-freq ones or the low-freq ones?07:30
xsachaof men07:30
Dr_willisI have gotten quite good at researching. :)07:31
Dr_willisHmm neat kio slave --> http://jerrad.tuxfamily.org/kiosysinfo_eng.html07:31
stonedI got really good at the guitar07:31
Dr_willisshows system info in a neat way.07:31
intelikeyin theory higher07:31
stonedthats all I do all day hehe07:31
el_ismanow, in practice, does it make a difference? chan 1 vs chan 11?07:32
intelikeyel_isma but the band is too narrow for it to affect much.   so i'd say 'in theory only'07:32
el_ismaok, thanks intelikey07:32
intelikeytwo point five centimetres07:32
Dr_willisOh yea.. cool that  sysinfo:/   kioslave is getting installed on my other kubuntu box's :)07:33
xsachastoned: by the way, it happens in KDE4 too.. the superimposed.... effect07:33
Shadow_milok the title bar with compiz-fusion was working, but then the title bars crashed07:34
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intelikeyel_isma if there is band interfearance on one end then in practace the other end will reach a little farther,  that is which ever signal is the least inhibited/incumbered is the longest linking signal07:34
xsachaDr_willis: i dont think you'll like this...     KDE4: http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/4659/screenyrd6.png07:35
stdinShadow_mil: try kde-window-decorator --replace07:35
intelikeylocal matters07:35
Dr_willisxsacha,  so they got the setting there.. :)   bit of an odd place for the setting i think07:36
el_ismaintelikey: Aha. I've heard that recommendation before. Using a non "poluted" channel is better07:36
xsachayeah.. does same thing in kde4 too07:36
intelikeyerr locale07:36
Dr_willisxsacha,  if it was visat.. they would have a dozen links from everything else to that tab :)07:36
intelikeyel_isma yes.07:36
Dr_willisoops Vista. :)07:36
Daisuke_Idoanyone know just *how* well the intel 3945 chipset is supported?07:36
Daisuke_Idoand mysql is much more responsive in amarok than sqlite was -_-07:38
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intelikeyi got that onboard nic working   (mentioned yestergo)   seems the plug had lost partial contact *ribon cable to port*   remove and replug was all it needed...   and i spent two hours on that!   i am retarded !07:39
intelikeyDaisuke_Ido sorry   didn't mean to burry your Q.       and no i don't.07:40
Daisuke_Idoi know there are official drivers, so i'm guessing pretty well supported07:41
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intelikeywhat is the module name ?07:41
Daisuke_Idoand since it's offered as the default in the ubuntu series laptops, it better be...07:41
intelikeyhmmm not much on it in dapper.   but i would think support is growing for it...    (just a guess)07:43
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Shadow_miltheir is another problem, my update manager keeps saying that compiz-core needs to be updated, even after I have it update it07:44
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stdinShadow_mil: tried dist-upgrade ?07:45
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Shadow_milhmmm, looks like thats going to fix it07:45
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Dr_willisHit it with a hammer!07:46
intelikeydon't force it.    just use a bigger hammer on it....07:46
intelikeywonder if that would revive the monitor...07:47
Shadow_milwoah! ok I got a two sided cube, thats a new one lol07:47
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Dr_willisNight all.........07:49
intelikeyhow many sides does a barrel have ?07:49
Daisuke_Idoby definition, that isn't a cube :P07:49
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Daisuke_Idointelikey: depends on what engine it's being rendered in07:50
dotzis there a way to access vnc from linux to window's desktop?07:50
Daisuke_Idobut the answer is two07:50
intelikeytwo,    inside and outside07:50
Daisuke_IdoHAH, got in just in time07:50
intelikeynot on my screen07:50
Daisuke_Ido[01:51]  <Daisuke_Ido> but the answer is two07:50
Daisuke_Ido[01:51]  <intelikey> two,    inside and outside07:50
Daisuke_Ido!paste | Self07:51
ubotuSelf: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)07:51
intelikeyyeah but like i said not on mine.07:51
stdinDaisuke_Ido: 2 lines is ok, more than 3 is pastebin07:51
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX07:51
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Best-Beardotz, if you cant get vnc working, rdesktop might work for you07:52
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codexhello my adept crash and now the database is lock. and i cant use it. can someone help to to unlock it ?07:53
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 07:53
intelikeywhat all chars are illegal in linux file names ?07:55
intelikeyjust / and null  ?07:55
intelikeyor are there more ?07:55
stdindepends on the filesystem I think07:55
stonedthis is turning out to be quite alright07:56
Daisuke_Idoyeah, look at the restricted characters for vfat...07:56
stonedso far so good in kubuntu07:56
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stdinintelikey: well wikipedia says "All bytes except NUL and '/'"07:58
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intelikeystdin i was thinking that was all   but wasn't sure and was having trubble finding anything definite     google hates me.08:00
sauvinKindly assume that anything that isn't a lettre, a digit or an underscore is NOT a good idea for inclusion in a filename under fat of any sort. NTFS, too.08:02
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stdinhow about a '.' :p08:03
stdinit's not a letter, digit or underscore08:03
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intelikeysauvin and -    and #     :)08:04
stdinand ~08:04
intelikeythat too08:04
vsudilovhow can I get KDE in 1024x768 mode? Highest option in systemsetting is 800x600...08:05
mars2686what about a : or a ;08:05
intelikeybut i really wasn't concerned with M$ oops's anyway.08:05
stdin!resolution | vsudilov08:05
ubotuvsudilov: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:06
intelikeyvsudilov you may also be using something like 'vesa' as the driver08:06
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intelikeygrep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:06
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morph_hello all08:07
sauvin; is a pathel separator in fat.08:07
sauvinErm, I misspoke. An envar separator.08:07
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intelikeyso file name can still contain ;08:08
intelikeytouch '/media/bob;bob'       vfat mounted on /media08:09
sauvinintelikey, yes, as far as I know. I don't consider it a good idea, but I don't remember any concrete reason why not.08:09
stdinas long as you escape/quote it, I see no problem08:10
intelikeywell i don't like ; in file names because it's a command seperator08:10
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sauvinI live by very simple naming rules under any FS because I have to deal with such a variety. /[a-z_0-9] +/i08:10
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kkerwinHi, I'm attempting to install a program from source, but cannot run ./configure nor make. There is a configure.in.in and a Makefile.am in the main directory.08:11
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sauvinNot in DOS or Windows, it isn't, just in Unix.08:11
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morph_anyone know who to fix no border with beryl?08:11
intelikeymiss a quote on the third declintion of a var and boomb  you ran the other half of the file name in what ever was happening....08:11
sauvinIn fact, that's not quite true. Unix itself doesn't care (neither does Windows) - it's the SHELL that'll yell at you.08:11
kkerwinWhat other routes should I try? Obviously, ./configure && make && sudo make install won't work because there is no ./configure file, and no Makefile.08:11
stdinkkerwin: why do you need to compile it?08:11
kkerwinstdin: The program is xpertmud. There are no packages for it.08:12
sauvinIs there a README or INSTALL?08:12
intelikeykkerwin look for an installer script08:12
intelikeyanything green in the build dir08:12
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kkerwinstdin: I've tried the rpm's available on SF.net, but those don't quite work.08:12
kkerwinintelikey: One moment ...08:12
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:13
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stdinkkerwin: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (basically you need autoconf/automake)08:13
brad_so I have a really simple and straightforward question ^_^08:13
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brad_is there a way to make it so on Kopete when I hit shift+enter it goes down a line instead of sending the message/doing nothing08:13
brad_I really dont see it08:13
brad_I realize that is in love with Linux/KDE I am now, I may as well work on the various customization things which aren't how I think they should be (not the customization type)08:14
Shadow_milwell as cool as compiz is, I think Ill stick with kwin :P08:14
intelikey"goes down a line" ?08:14
brad_on MSN messenger, in the typing window, if you hit shift+enter it goes to the next instead of sending the message08:15
brad_like if you hit enter in a text box08:15
brad_vs. sending in an instant messenger text box08:15
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kkerwinstdin: automake output: http://rafb.net/p/IYBfJk54.html08:16
kkerwinintelikey: INSTALL and README just indicate a generic ./configure && make && sudo make install08:16
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intelikeybrad_ i wish i knew.08:16
kkerwinstdin: Rather, autoconf08:17
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kkerwinstdin: automake apparently calls autoconf, and fails almost exactly the same.08:17
brad_if its not possible it isnt a big deal08:17
intelikeykkerwin hmmm    that would seem to say there is something missing.   like the configure script maybe.   or possably they just didn't update the docs08:17
brad_I just thought I would ask instead of stressing about it08:17
brad_I think if it was possible without modification it would be easy to find08:17
kkerwinintelikey: There is a configure.in.in, but not a configure.in08:18
brad_and for things like that it's really hard to know what to put into google08:18
intelikeybrad_ i don't know if it is or not.  maybe stdin knows08:18
brad_anyway I am not worried about it, and thank you08:18
kkerwinintelikey: Nor a configure08:18
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monkeybritchesCtrl-Enter works08:18
intelikeybrad_ ^08:19
stdinkkerwin: hmm, is there a Makefile.cvs ?08:19
kkerwinstdin: No08:19
sauvinintelikey, don't tell people to look for anything "green". dircolors vary quite a bit, especially among idiots like myself who like to change schemas from time to time.08:20
stdinkkerwin: hmm, post a "ls" to pastebin08:20
intelikeykkerwin you got the package patch and not the package ???     just a guess.08:20
kkerwinstdin: http://rafb.net/p/3ewsX026.html08:20
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kkerwinintelikey: No. Just is straight from SVN08:21
intelikeysauvin anyone that knows how to change that knows what i meant.08:21
brad_beautiful ;)08:21
brad_I knew it must be easy08:21
brad_I didnt even think of trying that08:21
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stdinkkerwin: what does the command "debian/rules" do?08:21
monkeybritchesyou're welcome08:21
kkerwinstdin: http://rafb.net/p/d0k8NJ63.html08:22
stdinkkerwin: what about "debian/rules build" ?08:23
kkerwinstdin: Nice! That seems to be running make ...08:23
kkerwinstdin: Ok. It's configuring now. I'll standby and let you know how it goes.08:24
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stdinkkerwin: gotta love the debian build system :) you should be able to run "debian/rules binary" to make .debs08:24
sauvinintelikey, that's not necessarily true. I did say IDIOTS like me.08:24
kkerwinI've never encounter that debian build system before. Very sexy; I'll have to remember that.08:24
sauvinWhat just happened? I have ubuntu, which I understand is debian-based.08:25
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stdinkkerwin: actually, for the deb you'll need "fakeroot debian/rules binary"  either fakeroot or sudo08:26
Best-BearI can't think of a single word that Rhymes with Debian08:26
kkerwinstdin: build error: http://rafb.net/p/3JDFVh68.html08:26
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sauvinMonkeybritches, get outta my head!08:26
monkeybritchesYou were in mine first ;)08:26
Best-Bearlol, thanks08:27
icecruncherchildren these days08:27
sauvinYou're saying I just type faster?08:27
stdinkkerwin: hmm, have you installed kde-devel ?08:27
monkeybritchesI blame lag08:27
sauvinI was about to say, I type pretty darned slow, even if I say so myself.08:27
intelikeysauvin you knew, and you said "idiots like you"   so i'll just assume they would know too.08:27
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kkerwinstdin: LOL. Damn, you're good. apt-get says nope.08:27
intelikeywho ever they are.08:27
monkeybritchesMy internet connection is two cups and a very long string08:27
sauvinintelikey, I've met too many people who are rather intrepid about what buttons they click in customising their computers and then find they can't interpret the screens.08:28
stdinkkerwin: it's a hefty download, but should get everything you need08:28
kkerwinmonkeybritches: What's that, I can't hear you.08:28
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sauvin"Mary had a little lamp; its fleece was bright as blow..."08:28
monkeybritchesLet me yell it in your ear horn...08:28
monkeybritchesEarhorns will make a comeback, wait and see08:29
intelikeysauvin hehhe   yeah   that "pointy clicky thingy" will do that to ya     hehhe08:29
sauvinso you understand what I'm saying. Speaking as a former engineer, assumptions are the bane of a great many support channel miscommunications.08:29
intelikeyyeah     and *buntu runs solely on assumptions and violenteer support08:30
kkerwinstdin: Ok, another error ... I think the same one: http://rafb.net/p/b4Oj2m31.html08:30
sauvinit runs, and while it's not as stable as fedora core, it's stable enough and it's a crapload faster.08:31
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stdinkkerwin: where did you download it from?08:31
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kkerwinstdin: SVN ... https://xpertmud.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xpertmud/trunk08:32
icecrunchersauvin: *buntu?08:32
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icecrunchersauvin: bit bugy for my tastes08:33
codexhello and anybody tell me how to turn on syntax hightlighting in konsole ?08:33
sauvinI've actually not had much trouble with bugs.08:33
sauvinthe ONE grief I have with it is that the !@#$@%# won't save my !@#$@%#@$ Konsole settings between reboots.08:34
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icecruncherwell, my experience was with kubutnu was#$#@08:34
intelikeyedit your konsole settings save as default08:34
sauvinI've kept Fedora Core, and I'm still considering what I want to do with it, but I've not used it at all in about a month (Windows, alas, collects dust in another partition...)08:35
sauvinUm, yes, did that. it doesn't apparently save.08:35
icecrunchertry pclos lol08:35
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sauvinWhat's pclos?08:35
kkerwincodex: By syntax highlighting, you mean highlighting for a program that you're writing?08:35
intelikeythat sounds like a bug08:35
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sauvinIt might be. Fedora Core doesn't do that. It just does the Right Thing.08:35
intelikeycodex sauvin may know08:35
sauvinThing is, Fedora Core does it... oh... any time now... whereas Ubuntu, so far, has taken a BEATING and keeps running nicely.08:36
icecrunchersauvin: it's PCLinuxOs another distro also on kde08:36
intelikeysauvin dapper's konsole works too08:36
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sauvinI like feisty.08:36
icecrunchersauvin: so did I08:36
kkerwincodex: I'm sorry, was that a yes to my question?08:37
icecrunchermy old i386 keept commiting suicide08:37
codexkkerwin: yes to your question08:37
sauvinSee, part of ubuntu's "instability" or "bugginess" is in its being a bit more avant-garde; Fedora Core STILL has trouble with my graphics card, and the newest version won't deal with it at all, whereas Ubuntu saw it, configure it, and ran with it.08:38
sauvinI might know what?08:38
kkerwincodex: K. Uhm, I'm not sure about konsole, because it only runs editors, like vi, that handle the highlighting.08:38
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kkerwincodex: You may wish to try kate08:38
codexyeah i just remember its VI.08:39
kkerwincodex: You will find highlighting in the tools menu on kate08:39
codexfor some reason i just like using the console to work08:39
intelikeyah syntax highlighting in vim  that's different08:39
stdinintelikey: what? you've never done: echo "#!/bin/sh ......" :p08:39
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sauvinKonsole is an xterm-like thing.08:39
intelikeystdin i didn't say never,    i said i don't do a lot of it...   there is a differance08:39
kkerwinstdin: What's the status? :D08:40
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stdinkkerwin: I'm trying to see if I can compile it08:40
sauvinAnd yes, kate is a wonderful editor.08:40
kkerwinstdin: Cool.08:40
intelikeyhmmm i don't have vi installed08:41
Assidhey stdin08:41
kkerwincodex: Hmm. So long as you have the proper extensions on the file (ie: .cpp, .c, .py), vim should do it automagically.08:41
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stdinhey Assid08:41
Assidstdin: your good with vpn ?08:42
stdinkkerwin: heh, I just looked at the README: "Install like any other KDE2 Program" < we're on KDE3 now08:42
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stdinAssid: nope, never needed to use it, so I have no knowledge08:43
kkerwinstdin: Heh, yeah, I saw that too. AND ... we're waiting oh-so-patiently for KDE4. :D08:43
stdinAssid: seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD ?08:43
sauvinMe widdle heart go pi'a'pa' waiting a couple of years for KDE4 to stabilise.08:43
stdinkkerwin: the last changelog entry is from 2002-01-0108:43
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kkerwinstdin: In the readme, or in the rest of the program?08:44
stdinkkerwin: in the ChangeLog08:44
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CraZy675I have an external drive formatted in ntfs.  I connect the drive and it asks if I would like to open a new window so I click ok and the window never pops up. what should I do now?08:44
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CraZy675I only want to read the drive not write08:45
kkerwinstdin: As in the changelog hasn't been updated in that long? Damn ...08:45
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sauvinCraZy675, does that partition automount? If so, you'll see it in /media08:46
kkerwinstdin: According to the SF page, it's been updated recently, so I'm not too worried.08:46
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Agent_bobkonsole command#    sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media ;konqueror 'file:///media/'08:46
Assidstdin: thats for the daemon08:46
CraZy675sauvin: the drive does not show up in /media08:47
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kkerwinstdin: SF has RPM builds from 2007-04-21 ... I just can't get them to work since they appear to have been compiled on a different distro.08:47
CraZy675I do see the drive in "Disk & Filesystems"08:47
stdinkkerwin: it says on the website "In order to successfully use Xpertmud, you need KDE 2.x."08:48
kkerwinstdin: Damn.08:48
sauvinkkerwin, that's not surprising. rpm is RED HAT.08:48
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CraZy675it doesn't recognize the ntfs drive08:48
CraZy675do I need to install something?08:48
kkerwinsauvin: Oh, duh. :-D08:48
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Agent_bobwhat does xpertmud does ?08:49
yeniklasorHow can I use a spesific java version when I start a program that works with old java.08:49
stdinkkerwin: we'll see if alien can handle it08:50
kkerwinAgent_bob: It is a MUD client. It connects to online role-playing games.08:50
Agent_bobkkerwin what does that app do ?08:50
Agent_bob!info gnome-mud08:50
ubotugnome-mud: The GNOME MUD client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.7-1build2 (feisty), package size 363 kB, installed size 1272 kB08:50
kkerwinAgent_bob: I might take a look at that, if xpertmud doesn't fly.08:51
kkerwinAgent_bob: Thank you, though.08:51
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stdin!find mud08:51
ubotuFound: gnome-mud, gpmudmon-applet, koalamud, lib64mudflap0, libmudflap0 (and 4 others)08:51
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burgosvale, funviona08:53
sauvinI've been told that alien is a bit dangerous.08:53
stdinkkerwin: you can try converting the rpm to a deb, install "alien" and run "fakeroot alien xpertmud-3.0-svn20070421.i386.rpm" (or use sudo)08:53
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intelikeywe are experancing some turbulance, but the wings havent folded up yet so don't panic...08:53
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Assidstdin: how do i get nm-applet ? it doesnt seem to come on my startup08:55
kkerwinstdin: Ok. That works so far. Now I need to try and get python scripting ...08:56
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stdinAssid: network-manager  ?08:57
Assideah you know the one that says "wired connection" etc ... and sits in your system tray ?08:57
Assidas soon as you install kubuntu for the first time08:57
stdin^ that's the command too08:58
Assidhrmm hung process08:58
CraZy675how do i mount a drive so I "the user" can read it without being root?08:58
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Assidhrmm its broken.. i go to configure vpn.. and it just sits there mocking me.. does nothing08:59
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stdinCraZy675: couple ways, from fstab add the "user" option, or from mount use "-o uid=$(id -u)"08:59
CraZy675stdin: thanks09:00
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stdinAssid: try "sudo killall knetworkmanager" then restart it09:00
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Assidstdin: yeah i got it in the system tray.. but the vpn configuration doesnt pop up09:01
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stdinthat from Options > Configure ?09:02
kkerwinstdin: grr ... all the paths are screwed up09:02
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stdinkkerwin: try kildclient or gnome-mud, xpertmud seems to be a lost cause on anything except on RPM distros09:06
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kkerwinstdin: Ok. Thank you again for your help.09:06
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kkerwinstdin: For your sake, I'm sorry that this was a waste of time.09:07
stdinkkerwin: you act like you don't know I love compiling from cvs :p09:08
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kkerwinstdin: I see. You like to live life on the bleeding edge. Well, next time I hit  the Appalachian Trail, I'll be sure to invite you along if that's your kind of adventure. :)09:09
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stdinkkerwin: I wouldn't be running gutsy if I didn't :)09:09
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kkerwinstdin: Cool. Thanks again, and be well.09:10
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yeniklasorHow can start a java software with spesific java in another path ?09:12
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stdinyeniklasor: you could just 'update-alternatives --config java' or put the path to the java you want before the command. what application?09:14
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Assidstdin: kvpnc .. worked09:17
Assidhad to guess a few things.. but it worked09:18
stdinAssid: I'll try getting info on that added to ubotu09:18
stdinall it has now is:09:18
ubotuFrom more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD09:18
Assidhrmm gotta update that09:19
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about vpnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:19
Assidprobably add that to vpnc for the client09:19
stdinand that's a year old page...09:19
Assidand there is also this page: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-ubuntu.phtml09:19
Assidhowever that didnt work out too good for me.. cant configure vpn there09:19
Assidkvpnc did a brilliant job09:20
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Assidstupid grub-reboot..09:21
Assidi tried grub-reboot 1 .. it doesnt boot into the new kernel.. i tried 2 .. doesnt.. wtf do i have to do to make it boot to that without making it the default?09:21
stdinAssid: have you set grub to use "saved" in menu.lst?09:22
codexhello i would like to know if wirless card is working. is there a program i can u to check if its working ?09:22
Assidyeah i got savedefault to the entries09:22
stdinAssid: no, at the top, like "default         saved"09:23
stdincodex: do you have a wireless network around you ?09:23
stdinAssid: that's what you need then09:23
Assidi need that?09:23
stdincodex: does the knetworkmanager applet in the system tray see it ?09:24
Assidso the 2nd entry would be 1 ?09:24
Assidor 2 ?09:24
stdinAssid: the 2nd entry (the recovery mode one) will be 1, the 2nd kernel will be 309:24
Assidso 0 based index?09:25
stdincodex: what wireless card/chipset ?09:25
codexhow can i get my wireless set up09:25
stdinAssid: yeah, the whole of grub is09:25
codex03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)09:25
codexthats what iam seeing09:25
Assidi keep forgetting what is and what isnt :(09:25
codexbut iam not using a dell computer09:25
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stdincodex: ah, broadcom... hold on a sec09:26
stdincodex: what model dell exactly ?09:27
stdincodex: oh, you said not dell :p09:27
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stdinis that a  Compaq Presario or something ?09:28
codexno its a lenovo09:28
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codexi used to get the bcm43xx error but when i install the new 2.6.20-16 kernel i didn't get the error anymore09:30
stdinbcm43xx is only for the broadcom 43.. series09:31
codexis there a tutorial you can refere me to so i can set up the wireless09:31
stdincodex: do you have internet access on it (wired) ?09:32
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stdincodex: looks like you need to use ndiswrapper09:34
codexok thanks09:34
stdincodex: this driver should work <http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-45290-1&lc=en&cc=sg&dlc=en&product=3245619&os=228&lang=en>09:35
yeniklasorHow to change system's java path ?09:35
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stdincodex: then look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper09:35
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stdinyeniklasor, you could just 'update-alternatives --config java' or put the path to the java you want before the command. what application?09:36
yeniklasorstdin : A new app for Pardus, that didn't worked with my java. "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: bdp_mf"...09:37
stdinyeniklasor: what java version do you have?09:37
yeniklasorunder "opt/" latest version09:38
yeniklasorwhich java says "/usr/bin/java"09:38
yeniklasorSoftware suggests "j2re-1_4_2_14-linux-i586.bin"09:39
yeniklasorI don't like java :D09:39
stdinyeniklasor: put the path to the java bin dir (like /opt/java/bin) in your path. like "export path=/opt/java/bin:$PATH" then it should use that one09:40
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stdinyeniklasor: erm "export PATH=/opt/java/bin:$PATH" (PATH need to be upper case)09:40
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ubotuA comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant09:41
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dotzwhat's the replacement inblinux for microsoft outlook web access?09:44
dotzwhat's the replacement in linux for microsoft outlook web access?09:44
stdinwhat does it do exactly?09:46
yeniklasorstdin : it really worked! thanks you are my hero (only we couldn't get work wireless) :)09:46
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stdindotz: ?09:47
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TyroWill Kubuntu Function reasonably fast on a 900MHz CPU and 512MB RAM with a Flash Memory HDD09:55
stdinTyro: you'll probably have to disable some of the KDE effects, but it's ran on less powerful systems before09:56
stdinTyro: you'll probably want to install with the alternate CD too09:56
Tyroyeah, i don't mid, there are far to many effects in Kubuntu for my personal prefrance09:56
ubotuThe Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal09:57
Tyroohh, i remember now09:57
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stdin..text mode09:57
TyroI'll be back after i've had dinner09:57
Tyroanyway BBL09:57
stdindon't use away nick changes...09:57
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dev_i have akeyboard problem it types multiple char when key is pressed10:01
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Assidstdin: hows your kernel knowledge.. for source compiled?10:03
AssidClocksource tsc unstable (del10:03
stdinAssid: errm, I can compile one, doesn't mean I know how it works :p10:04
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stdinAssid: are you compiling a ubuntu kernel or a stock kernel ?10:05
Assidstock kernel onto a debian/etch box10:05
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stdinAssid: pentum m ?10:08
Assidnah.. xeon 306010:08
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stdintry booting with "clocksource=acpi_pm"10:09
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Assidyeah am just rebooting it to the older kernel first..10:10
Assidi wanna check something10:10
Assidits one of those dedicated servers :|10:11
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stdinseems to be something to do with CPU frequency scaling10:11
Assidyeah but i disabled that10:11
Assidits not enabled in the kernel10:11
Assidi read something about the core2's having some kind of different cpu ticker10:11
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yeniklasorstdin : Trying my laptop with Kubuntu live cd, it is working with wireless fine. You know yesterday I had formatted my laptop with Ubuntu server edition (then installed kubuntu-desktop on it). But it doesn't work with wireless. There must be a cure.10:14
stdinyeniklasor: what card/chipset10:14
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yeniklasorintel pro wireless 3945a/b/g 802.11a/b/g WLAN with bluetooth10:17
stdinhmm intel...10:17
brozz87hello :)10:17
stdinyeniklasor: the "iwl3945" driver should work with that10:18
stdin!hi | brozz8710:18
ubotubrozz87: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!10:18
yeniklasoron only a driver, Now checking it10:18
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stdinshould be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko10:19
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alex21432guys, how can I see how much free space is there on my hard disk?10:19
Best-Beardf -h10:19
stdinalex21432: in konsole there is "df -h"10:19
alex21432thanks guys!!10:19
Best-Beardf -hF ext310:20
Best-Bearthats if you just want to see linux file systems10:20
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pekujaisn't there an easy way to view that from Konqueror or something?10:20
pekujanot that df -h isn't good. just curious10:20
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brozz87thanks ubot :)10:21
Best-BearI dont use Konq much10:21
chxis it possible to select a rectangle with  kate / ktexteditor?10:21
brozz87sorry but i'm italian and i don't speak english very well :)10:21
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stdinyeniklasor: I think that the driver is only in the 2.6.22 kernel10:22
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pekujachx, why would you want to select a rectangle? O__o10:22
stdin!it | brozz8710:22
ubotubrozz87: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!10:22
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brozz87yes, i know! But on italian community the presence of users are very noise and low10:23
chxwhy it's o_O ? i can show you editors from twenty years ago that were capable of this... for example when manually resolving a failed diff, it's hand to be able to delete the first column10:23
yeniklasorstdin : but kubuntu live cd is 2.6.15 and working fine10:23
stdinyeniklasor: hmm10:24
pekujachx, ok, I see (and sorry, I don't have the answer)10:24
pekujachx, if I were doing that, I'd probably write a script to delete the first column for me10:24
chxsay, the joe editor has Rectangle (columnar) block mode-10:24
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chxthat's very uncomfy10:25
stdinyeniklasor: I think the server kernel and desktop kernel in edgy are different... that could explain it10:25
yeniklasormay be10:25
chxoh, and nedit is able.10:25
chxi am however in love with KATE10:26
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stdinyeniklasor: you can do a desktop install and just install server components on that10:26
yeniklasorBut I was about love command line :)10:26
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stdinyeniklasor: so stop KDM from starting10:27
yeniklasorHow to go youtube then :)10:28
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stdinyeniklasor: " X :0 & DISPLAY=:0 firefox" :)10:29
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yeniklasor:S with termanal login ?10:30
stdinyeah, why not?10:30
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yeniklasorctrl+alt+f3 ing now :)10:30
stdinyeniklasor: you'll want to change :0 to :1 (seeing as X is already running on :0)10:31
stdinyeniklasor: and it only works if you have firefox installed...10:31
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yeniklasortried wity konqueror10:32
stdinand flash10:33
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yeniklasorthere is no title button10:33
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yeniklasorhalf of browser out of window10:33
stdinyeniklasor: yeah, that's because you need a window manager too10:33
yeniklasorkwin ?10:33
stdinyeniklasor: yeah10:34
yeniklasorX :0 & &KWIN DISPLAY=:0 firefox10:34
trekdannehmm exactly what's the point of not starting up the whole KDE? too slow?10:34
paulc87whats going on guys10:35
stdintrekdanne: it's for a server10:35
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paulc87about to install my first copy of kub :D10:35
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dev_i have akeyboard problem it types multiple char when key is presse10:36
hangthedji had a keyboard problem like that once, it was in the early 90s and i had the dos keypress virus10:36
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trekdannehangthedj: lol no idea there were such viri10:38
stdinyeniklasor: the full command would be "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; kwin & firefox" or you can just do "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; kwin & xterm" and start firefox from there10:38
codexhello i run iwconfig commad this is the output iam getting http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7416d18110:38
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paulc87is there anything better about kde than gnome?10:39
stdincodex: that's because you haven'r connected to any network yet10:39
paulc87they are both desktop GUIs right?10:39
stdinpaulc87: it's KDE, that makes it better :p10:40
codexstdin: the i thought it supposed to be wlan010:40
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stdinpaulc87: take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME10:40
codexstdin: but iam seeing eth110:40
alexandros1I just plugged a usb external hard disk to my kubuntu box10:40
paulc87thanks for the links10:40
stdincodex: no, it doesn't actually matter10:40
codexand how to i go about connecting to a wirless network10:41
alexandros1a screen came on asking me what to do and I said "open in new window"  but nothing ever happened10:41
Best-Bearpaul: I was a long time gnome user, it's good, but I kept finding myself running KDE apps like Konsole, K3b, Krita, I think it's the apps that make it better10:41
codexwhat program do i use ?10:41
alexandros1where is a usb disk usualy mounted in kubuntu?10:41
paulc87bear i thought that the 2 were just different visuals, or ways of presenting them, etc10:41
stdinalexandros1: look in /media10:41
stdincodex: is it connected now? (wired)10:42
trekdanne /media/disk IIRC10:42
alexandros1stdin: I already looked there but there's no disk10:42
codexstdin: yes10:42
dev_i have akeyboard problem it types multiple char when key is presse10:42
stdintrekdanne: the name depends on the device10:42
dev_i have a keyboard problem it types multiple char when key is presse10:42
dev_example: wwwwwdfgshjjjjjjjjklcvbbbbbbbbb10:42
trekdannestdin: ah ok.10:42
dev_how do i solve it10:42
stdincodex: do you see a little white icon in the system tray?10:43
yeniklasorstdin : both commands didn't worked. Maybe I must kill display=:1 ? if yes how10:43
Best-BearPaul, they are written in different languages gnome=C KDE=C++, and use different toolkits to build them GTK vs Qt10:43
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alexandros1should I create a directory in /media ?10:43
stdinyeniklasor: switch to the terminal and press Ctrl-C, then probably "kill %1"10:44
codexstdin: i am seeing something that supposed to be an ethernet end. is that what u talking about ?10:44
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stdincodex: yep, right click that10:44
codexi did10:44
stdinsee anything in there?10:44
codexstdin: wireless networks: no wirless networks found10:45
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stdincodex: what does "iwlist eth1 scan" show ?10:45
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codexstdin: eth1 no scan results10:46
stdincodex: is there a switch for the wireless? and is it on?10:47
codexwhat do u mean. the wireless card are the router ?10:47
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stdinthe wireless card10:47
codexstdin: what the "iwlist  eth1 scan" supposed to show ?10:48
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stdincodex: it scans for access points10:48
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codexok thank. i think i figured it out now10:49
stdintrekdanne: try looking in System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem10:50
yeniklasorstdin : "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; kwin & firefox" not working, (only a cursor)10:51
Tabmowsis there a terminal around which acts like putty?10:51
Tabmowslike when you select text it automatically copies?10:52
stdinTabmows: konsole?10:52
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stdinyeniklasor: anything printed on the terminal?10:52
trekdanneTabmows: that should be standard behavor for a X11 app10:52
yeniklasorno nothing10:52
stdinTabmows: middle click to paste10:52
yeniklasorafter kill it there is comethings on terminal, anyway to page up ?10:53
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Tabmowsahhh ok cool, it's a laptop so the middle click threw me off10:53
trekdannestdin: hmm is that just KDED automount magic or is it connected to /etc/fstab ?10:53
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stdintrekdanne: it's fstab, but you should have had a prompt to mount the partition(s) on the external drive when you inserted it10:54
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stdinyeniklasor: shift + PageUp10:54
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trekdannestdin: hmm yea. that's the KDED Automount magic... but I still don't understand how it's connected to udevd and stuff :P10:56
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yeniklasorstdin : "errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server"  and some fonts warnings and wacom warnings10:57
trekdanne!es | Santzscies10:57
ubotuSantzscies: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.10:57
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stdinyeniklasor: change :0 to :110:57
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stdinyeniklasor: as you already have X running on :010:57
yeniklasordidn't work again (and I was reboot and login directly to konsole)10:58
stdinyeniklasor: ok, does "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; xterm" work (and open xterm)?10:59
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stdinyeniklasor: hmm...11:01
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stdinyeniklasor: how about "X :0 & sleep 5; export DISPLAY=:0 ; xterm" ?11:01
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alexandros1how can I mount an ntfs hard disk for read-write access?11:07
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stdin!ntfs-3g | alexandros111:07
ubotualexandros1: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions11:07
yeniklasorstdin : sorry I was writing ":" instead of ";"  all of them worked :$11:07
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stdinheh :p11:07
yeniklasora few question : what if I didn't install kubuntu-desktop, will X work without it?11:07
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stdinyeniklasor: you'd just have to install the "xorg" package11:07
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Best-Bearyeniklasor, this is a minimal install guide to KDE that works pretty well ,  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core11:07
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czer323Any suggested players for sid, nfs, spc, rgm or rsn files?  It's the common formats for c64, nes, snes and sega music.11:09
czer323I was hoping to get them to play in Amarok with an additional plugin or something.11:09
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stdinmaybe mplayer? don't know for sure, but mplayer normally plays everything I throw at it11:10
sauvinWhy would tab completion stop working?11:10
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alexandros1hmmm... I installed ntfs-3g and "enabled write support for external device" . however, when I mount my external drive as:  mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/maxtor   it's still in read only mode :(11:11
stdinalexandros1: yes, because yo have to use -t ntfs-3g11:12
alexandros1I did that and I got an error :/11:13
yeniklasorOK. "X :0" what is 0 ? if I wrote 99 instead of 0 ?11:13
stdinyeniklasor: it's the display number, an identifier11:13
sauvinczer323, i can't help w ith the other formats, but you need a sidplayer for sid files.11:13
alexandros1It says "Mount is denied because NTFS logfile is unclean. "11:13
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stdinalexandros1: then you need to chdsk it11:14
alexandros1wont it mess my hard disk up?11:14
stdinit's the tool windows uses to scan the filesystem for errors11:14
yeniklasorI'm killing to X with "ctrl+alt+backspace" is it true way ?11:15
alexandros1oh sorry I misunderstood11:15
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stdinyeniklasor: well, it's the only way without a display manager11:15
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Best-Bearyeniklasorthat will work, save your open files first11:16
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Best-Bearyou may need "startx" if your display manager doesnt start11:16
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stdinBest-Bear: he doesn't want a display manager11:16
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zenowhen i try to install sun java jre i get this:11:20
zenoE: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java6-jre package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)11:20
zenoE: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?11:20
zenowhat shouold i do?11:20
stdinzeno: how are you installing it?11:20
SlimeyPe1ewhat are you using? apt-get? aptitiude? adept?11:20
yeniklasorsudo ?11:20
zenoyup sudo11:21
stdinzeno: what version of kubuntu do you have?11:21
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stdinzeno: you have multiverse enabled?11:23
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zenoyeniklasor: ah thanks apt-get saved me! sudo apt-get -f install11:26
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zenostdin: fixd11:26
yeniklasorstdin : look at to me! in your way :-)11:27
zenoand someone else had told me aptitude was better XD11:27
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linuxcrazyanyone familiar with openbravo and ubuntu?11:29
adeniciostdin: where could i change how much feisty uses v-memory?because it slowing down and only 22% of the hdd is use11:29
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linuxcrazygood morning linescanner11:30
stdinadenicio: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness controls the preference for swap, tho the default is normally best11:31
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yeniklasoron command line is it possible to copy something from a text file and paste it to command line ?11:32
czer323use shift-insert to paste on a console11:32
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stdinyeniklasor: you can install gpm to use the mouse to copy/paste in the terminal11:33
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yeniklasorok thanks11:33
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linuxcrazyI've been fiddling with x64 flash for firefox, anyone make nspluginwrapper work for this?11:36
yeniklasorgpm really hot11:36
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yeniklasorstdin : Audio from command line with mplayer really hot. But how can I work with other things without kill it ?11:40
stdinyeniklasor: you'll want to use screen11:40
yeniklasoris it a player ?11:40
ubotuscreen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen11:41
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stdinyeniklasor: it lets you have multiple shells and sessions in one terminal11:41
linuxcrazynight all11:41
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trekdannecan't you just run it in the background, "mplayer -quiet my_music.mp3 &" ?11:43
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stdinscreen is nicer11:44
xstDoes there exist a kde frontend for tracker?11:44
trekdanneyea, ofc you're right stdin11:44
stdinxst: kde uses strigi11:44
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Tm_Tscreen <311:44
xststdin: Also in gutsy?11:44
stdinxst: yes11:45
xstwhy not tracker?11:45
ubotuServices to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)11:45
Tm_Tmy longest irc-uptime has been over a year <311:45
adeniciostdin: mandatory --port argument is missing.wat to that mean?11:45
trekdanneTm_T: OH WOW11:45
Tm_Ttrekdanne: not much wow, it was that short because of hardware failure in server11:46
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adeniciostdin: mandatory --port argument is missing.wat to that mean?11:46
stdinadenicio: from what?11:46
yeniklasorstdin : screen opened kubuntu login window a few second later11:46
Tm_Tyeniklasor: yes11:46
trekdanneTm_T: :P11:46
rossifala ae galera11:46
rossialguem do brasil?11:47
stdin!br | rossi11:47
uboturossi: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.11:47
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xstI cannot install strigi: strigi-daemon: Depends: dbus-x11 but it is not installable11:47
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xstwhat to do?11:48
adeniciostdin: in the konsole i try to run doscan and it said that11:48
rossionde fika os canais em portugues?11:48
stdinadenicio: maybe see "man doscan"11:49
yeniklasorctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3/f4/f5/f6  launchs different command lines (tty2...)11:50
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stdinyeniklasor: you can do that if you want11:50
yeniklasorscreen opens kubuntu login screen11:51
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stdinyou mean KDM?11:51
Tm_Tyeniklasor: yes, and you can start app there, then detach from it, it keeps running there...11:51
gaarai need help11:52
gaaraanyone free to help me?11:52
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)11:52
Tm_Tgaara: well, our help is mostly free11:52
gaaraooh...eager to help eh? :P11:52
Tm_Tgaara: sometimes you might be asked to help others too :)11:52
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gaarai have a problem with my wireless11:52
yeniklasorme too :)11:52
gaaraim not able to keep my eth1 on11:52
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gaaraas soon as i switch it on it goes off11:52
gaaraam using feisty11:53
yeniklasorwhich chipset of wireless11:53
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stdinwhat model broadcom?11:53
gaarai think 431011:54
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stdinhave you used the bcm43xx-fwcutter tool?11:54
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gaarai read it in the forums..11:54
stdinI'll find the guide...11:54
gaarabut i need constant help thats why i came here11:54
gaarawhat is it for?11:55
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stdingaara: it extracts the firmware (driver) for it so you can use it11:56
gaaraoh cool11:56
stdintake a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty (ask if you have any questions or get stuck)11:57
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gaaraok i'll look thru that11:58
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gaaraanother problem is with my beryl11:58
stdinwhat graphics card?11:58
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dvmIs it possible to choose scim language using shell command?11:58
gaarai used sabayon previously and it worked amazingly, but i'm getting a white screen when i load the beryl manager11:58
stdingaara: have you installed the nvidia driver?11:59
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gaarahmmm...good point, does it not mean its installed if my resolution is already set? i got widescreen and im getting 1280 800 perfectly..12:00
gaarathough i dont get a nvidia splash screen12:00
Assidstupid dammit kernel12:01
dvmIs it possible to choose scim language using shell command?12:01
stdingaara: no, if you haven't installed it then you're using the "nv" open source nvidia driver, it doesn't have DRI (so no 3D support)12:01
stdindvm: don't know, look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM12:01
stdin!nvidia | gaara12:01
ubotugaara: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:01
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gaaraokie, thank you,will do so and get back to ppl...12:02
gaarabtw have any of u tried looking glass on ur kubuntu?12:02
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stdingaara: you'll have to follow the edgy (6.10) instructions on that, the feisty instructions are for gnome12:02
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stdingaara: I tried it a while ago, very slow12:03
_4strOyop yop12:04
gaarahmm...ok..i installed it only now, so i'll install the nvidia driver and then i'll checkit out12:04
gaarabtw, stdin, are u part of ubuntu?12:04
stdinI'm part of the ubuntu community I guess, but not in any "official" way12:05
gaarawill catch u son12:05
void_Grr, my beryl keeps crashing.12:05
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Assidvoid_: get compiz-fusion12:11
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stdinhello voda12:15
Assidvoda fone!12:16
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trekdanneoh hi Assid, what's up?12:20
gaarahey stdin, i got a 6600 phone, do u know any app thats a phone manager to link my phone?12:20
Assidnot much trekdanne, trying to compile a kernel12:20
Assidgaara: good luck,.. let me know if you have anything that works12:20
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trekdannehmm phones :P12:21
stdingaara: don't know, try searching "nokia" in adept12:21
Assidproviders need to give a bit more support12:21
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(stdin/#kubuntu) yeniklasor: it should be in the linux-image-VERSION packages12:23
(yeniklasor/#kubuntu) ok12:23
ramiwhy cant i use the scrnsavers where it says (GL) ?12:23
trekdanneyeniklasor: are you sure it's not loaded?  "lsmod | grep ipw3945"12:24
ramiEDIT: can use the savers in the category open-gl savers12:24
ramiwhere it says (GL) bur i have others that was embedded when i first installed it whuch i cant use.12:25
yeniklasortrekdanne | somethings shown but wireless not working12:25
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trekdanneyeniklasor: probably not a driver problem if the modules are loaded12:27
yeniklasorknetworkmanager can't use my wireless12:27
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trekdannedoes it show up if you do "ifconfig -a" ?12:28
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yeniklasortrekdanne : only eth0 and lo12:33
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trekdanneyeniklasor: try "lspcmia"12:33
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trekdanne!hi | voda12:35
ubotuvoda: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!12:35
gaarahey stdin12:36
gaaraif i saw iwconfig im getting my eth1 as a wireless device12:36
stdinthat's fine12:36
gaarabut if i put iwlist eth1 scan it says > eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device12:36
stdingaara: try just "iwlist scan"12:37
gaarasays no scan results12:37
yeniklasortrekdanne : didn't working  "lspcmia" command12:37
gaaraok, i'll restart and see if it works..12:38
trekdannei spelled it wrong "lspcmcia"12:38
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yeniklasortrekdanne : "lspcmcia" didn't show anything12:39
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Aranelhow can I convert a cd to Iso file ?12:41
stdinAranel: use K3B12:41
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Aranelstdin: I tried, but I can't did it :)12:41
ClassFoocat >12:42
stdinAranel: choose to copy a cd from the tools menu, then check the "only create image" box12:42
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trekdanneyeniklasor: i'm actually not that familar with PCMCIA and wireless networks :P12:42
Aranelstdin: thanks a lot :)12:44
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dannioniyeniklasor: What's your problem?12:46
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alexandros1hey guys12:48
trekdanneoh hi alexandros112:48
alexandros1my kubuntu is using 61Hz refresh rate for my monitor12:48
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alexandros1and its hurting my eyes!12:49
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alexandros1in the monitor & display settings there is only the 61Hz option.12:49
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dannioniI know what you mean, my monitor is 15+ yrs old :P, so the max is 70hz12:49
alexandros1how can I set it to say 75Hz ?12:49
yeniklasordannioni : wireless is not working12:49
[ifr0g] Hi guys !12:49
dannioniyeniklasor: What card do you have?12:50
stdinalexandros1: you'll have to reconfigure the X server to do that12:50
alexandros1can't I do it throuth he System Settings GUI ?12:50
stdinalexandros1: nope12:50
alexandros1and how can I reconfigure the X Server ?12:50
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stdinalexandros1: I think "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" should let you12:51
[ifr0g] alexandros1, by editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file..12:51
alexandros1ok thanks guys!12:51
stdinalexandros1: you should choose the medium setting when it comes to that part12:51
alexandros1medium setting?12:52
stdinalexandros1: then you can select the resolution and refresh rate12:52
stdinalexandros1: it'll be the only part that has "medium" in it, you can't miss it :)12:52
yeniklasordannioni : intel pro wireless12:52
alexandros1oh ok thanks!!!!!!12:52
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dannioniDo you have any idea what the problem might be?12:53
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yeniklasorlive cd Kubuntu is good with my wireless, but i installed server edition12:54
dannionitry running lspcmcia in console, you should see your card there12:55
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dannioniI'm not sure about the difference between server and "normal" installation, maybe someone else know that?12:56
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yeniklasorlspcmcia nothing shown12:56
damian_I have a problem. Kaffeine is starting with kubuntu. Can I swith it off?12:57
dannionii assume you've inserted the card :P, this probably means that there's no pcmcia support installed12:57
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stdindamian_: it would only start if it was open when you logged out12:57
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alexandros1is there any way to test the changed xorg.conf file without having to reboot the system?12:58
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stdindamian_: use  "System Settings > Advanced > Session Manager" to disable that if you want12:58
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dannionialexandros1: Is it enough to restart the X server perhaps?12:59
stdinalexandros1: yes, logout then choose "restart X server" from the menu12:59
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alexandros1oh cool!!!12:59
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dannioniyeniklasor: I think you must change your kernel or load some module to get pcmcia, I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows?01:00
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yeniklasorThis is latest kernel01:00
yeniklasorpcmcia, is about pci ?01:01
stdinpcmcia is different to pci01:02
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dannioniyeniklasor: try "sudo modprobe pcmcia"01:03
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dannioniand after that try lspcmcia again01:05
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yeniklasornothing displayed again01:05
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dannioniwell, i'm not sure what to do ;(01:06
dannioniseems we have reached the end of my limited knowledge01:07
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ubotuFor Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk01:10
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ubotuThe people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines01:13
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aguitelanyone here?01:15
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yeniklasoronly 349 person01:16
aguitelhow open kate with terminal01:16
dannioniso kind of empty01:16
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runleveltentype kate :)01:17
aguitelsudo kate ?01:17
runleveltenwell, kate01:17
dannioninope, just kate works for me01:17
stdinkdesu if you NEED root access, just kate if not01:17
runleveltendepends whether you want to edit system files, aguitel :)01:17
runleveltenIn which case, what stdin said01:18
aguiteli need administrative privilegios01:18
alexandroswhy sometimes when I do kdesu kate it just freezes?01:18
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aguitelyes it freezes01:18
dannionithat sounds like a bug report01:18
alexandrosusually it just asks me for administrator password01:19
alexandrosbut some other times it just sits there and does nothing01:19
dannioniforze for me too01:19
stdinworks fine for me01:20
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alexandrosI am using feisty01:20
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aguiteli need to open this file:/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist01:20
stdinin what terminal are you trying to run the command?01:21
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stdinshould work then01:21
alexandrosyeah, even when pressing alt + f201:21
aguitelnot work for me01:22
alexandrosme neither01:22
dannioniyou could use nano or pico, but thats only a way around the problem01:22
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alexandrospico is cool01:22
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stdinpico is nano01:22
alexandrosI noticed this happens to me when I logout and then log back in, or do an x-server restart01:23
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dannionistdin: They're the same?01:23
alexandrosif I boot normally into my system I dont have this problem01:23
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stdindannioni: yeah, try it. run pico then run nano01:23
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aguitelit say cannot connect to xserv01:24
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stdinare you in a root shell?01:25
stdinthat's why then01:25
stdinrun it as a normal user01:25
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aguitelwhat command01:25
stdintype "exit" then "kdesu kate"01:26
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aguitelkate: cannot connect to X server :0.001:27
stdinyou need to not be in a root shell01:27
aguiteli type:sudo kdesu kate01:28
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stdinaguitel: no, not sudo, just kdesu01:28
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handyi m sorry , for the italian chat?01:29
ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!01:29
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aguitelit work01:29
johannes__hi everyone, I have a problem with my network, feisty fawn is able to find my router (dhcp server) and get an address, it also finds my network printer (very nice HP tool ), but I can find my server or other PCs (WIN XP), I hope someone can help me01:30
stdinhandy: /join #kubuntu-it01:30
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stdinthere is a french language room in #kubuntu-fr01:31
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stdinjohannes__: "can't find" ?01:31
alexandrosguys... in order to make sure tftp works I should be able to ftp   right?01:32
johannes__the german one is probably kubuntu-ger , right?01:32
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stdinjohannes__: #kubuntu-de01:32
johannes__oh *g*01:32
trekdannedeutsch :P01:33
stdinalexandros: depends on what address the server is listening on01:33
alexandrosoh I see where is that defined?01:33
trekdannealexandros: ftp and tftp is differnt protocols01:33
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yamaldifferent protocols and different standard ports even01:34
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alexandrosso in order to check if it works I should download a tftp client?01:34
trekdannei think tftp should be installed per default01:34
stdinkonqueror should be able to do it too01:35
trekdannealexandros: no, apparently not01:35
alexandroswell what Im trying to do actually is install ubuntu using network boot01:36
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alexandrosoh konqueror can do that? with tftp:// ?01:36
stdinalexandros: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet01:36
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dromergah, I'm trying to compile cinelerra (the packages @ kiberpipa.org are broken), but I keep getting: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33569/  during the make01:39
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AyabaraI hide my bottom panel to get more space. is there a way to make the panel pop up when windows in the tray/panel demands attention?01:42
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Frederickfolks how do i remove thw proxy usage from apt?01:43
yeniklasorstdin : I think my wireless was not work after I plug an ethernet cable(before install server edition). Could it be a bug?01:44
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stdinyeniklasor: it could be01:45
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aguitelstdin,how i reinstall kubuntu without lost information ?01:45
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stdinAyabara: is "Acquire::http::Proxy" set in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?01:45
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stdinaguitel: you'd have to use a separate /home partition to do that01:46
aguitelhow i do that with cd live?01:46
aguiteli have sawp and ext3 partition01:47
Ayabarastdin: that file doesn't exist on my system01:47
stdinaguitel: you would have has to install with a separate /home you can't do it after01:47
Frederickstdin: I dont have this file is there any possible location for it?01:48
stdinAyabara: then is the "http_proxy" variable set ?01:48
aguitelbut with cd live how i create this /home ?01:48
stdinaguitel: yes, but not without destroying your data01:49
aguitelwhat i need to type ?01:49
Ayabarastdin: no01:49
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stdinAyabara: never mind, I meant that for Frederick01:50
Ayabarastdin: I wondered why you asked me that01:50
yeniklasorstdin : what is point of k wallet. Is it really safe to store passwords? (for example for kopete)01:50
stdinFrederick: how did you set the proxy?01:51
Ayabaradidn't quite answer the question I asked :-)01:51
stdinyeniklasor: yeah, it's safe to01:51
Frederickstdin: I set this variable you meantioned above somewhere01:51
stdinAyabara: to answer your question, I don't think you can, but ask in #kde01:51
Ayabarastdin: ok. thanks01:52
yeniklasorstdin : for local reasons or hacking from internet ?01:52
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stdinFrederick: then do "export -n http_proxy"01:52
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stdinyeniklasor: the passwords aren't stored in a readable format and are only accessible from your user01:53
Frederickstdin: but htis is local to a given shell right?01:53
stdinFrederick: yes, if you put the line in your ~/.bashrc then remove it from there01:54
Frederickstdin: I got no idea where did I set this proxy variable01:54
Frederickbut apt complains about it01:54
Frederickwhen Im not on the network wich has it01:54
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stdinFrederick: check in ~/.bashrc01:55
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aguitelstdn,i need to make another partition?01:56
Frederick it is there but commented out :/01:56
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yeniklasorstdin : is storing file stolen by a person and copied to his wallet. Is it possible to use passwords? I tried to this with firefox's .mozilla directory and all password worked on my other computer.01:57
stdinaguitel: you'd have to make one partition for /  one for /home  and one for swap01:57
aguitelstdn,i have now sawp and ext3 partition,what else is needed?01:58
yeniklasoraguitel : /home01:58
stdinyeniklasor: that's firefox, kwallet used a different system, but copying the the relevant files to another system would probably work (01:59
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stdinyeniklasor: but that would be the same for any password storage system01:59
aguiteltotal 3 partition swap ext and /home ?01:59
geekbsdhi there,which is better,KOfffice or OpenOffice?01:59
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.01:59
stdinaguitel: yes02:00
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aguitelstdn ,the name of the 3th partition is home or /home?02:00
stdinaguitel: yeah assign it to mount to /home02:01
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aguitelgrub is in /home?02:01
geekbsdjust for the daily bases,write a doc,see some excel files,convert doc.or odf files to pdf02:01
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aguitelwher is grub?02:02
stdinaguitel: it should be installed to the MBR02:03
aguitelin / ?02:03
stdinMBR is the Master Boot Record, it's not on any partition02:03
stdingrubs files are installed to / though02:04
aguitelstdin ,i say again ,i need 3 partition ,swap ext3 and home ,this is ok?02:05
aguitellast question02:05
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stdinaguitel: ext3 is the type02:05
stdinaguitel: both /home and / should be ext302:05
aguitelbut i need to asing the name "home" to the 3th partition02:06
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aguitelstdin,this is dificult for me because i think i need to make this work in windows with partitionmagic02:08
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stdinaguitel: you need 3 partitions, / which is ext3, /home again ext3, and a swap partition02:09
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aguitelstdin ,i make with partition magic this ?02:10
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stdinaguitel: you can use the live cd to do it02:11
osohhi all02:11
aguitelstdin ,when i install again?02:11
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aguitelok i try later02:12
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yeniklasorstdin : If no way be safe, I must ask; Do you use antivirus-firewall or another thing ?02:14
geekbsddoes anyone knows from where can i get the Oxygen Icons,the ones that KDE4 is using02:15
stdinyeniklasor: you can use a firewall if you want, but there is no need for antivirus02:15
yeniklasorstdin : Do you use antivirus ?02:15
stdingeekbsd: I'd bet they are on http://kde-look.org02:16
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stdinyeniklasor: no02:17
stdinyeniklasor: there are no antivirus applications for linux (only ones for scanning for windows viruses which can't infect linux)02:17
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stdinyeniklasor: linux just doesn't get viruses02:18
runleveltenstdin: well clamav would scan for them, if there were any use in doing so.02:18
yeniklasorstdin : But it is possible I think make a virus for linux, am I wrokng ?02:18
stdinrunlevelten: clamav only scans for windows viruses02:18
runleveltenyeniklasor: Sure.02:18
stdinyeniklasor: not impossible, but there really is no point02:19
runleveltenyeniklasor: A *lot* less vulnerable than windows in most cases though02:19
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stdinyeniklasor: and even if one were created, the security hole would be fixed extremely quickly02:19
runleveltenstdin: quite02:19
DragnslcrA Linux virus would rely on user stupidity a lot more than a Windows virus has to02:19
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stdinyeniklasor: in a matter of hours02:19
yeniklasorby ubuntu you mean ?02:19
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runleveltenuser stupidity, or unpatched network-facing vulnerabilities.02:19
stdinby the kernel coders, and possibly by ubuntu02:20
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats02:20
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yeniklasorsystem updates important this means02:20
ubotuantivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus02:20
neusonceose any know of a mp4 plugin02:20
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runleveltenoh yes. Updating your system is very important, as is being careful of where you get your packages from.02:21
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neusonce dose any body know of a mp4 plugin02:21
stdinneusonce: the package libmp4v2-002:21
yeniklasoryeah not trust 3. party software :)02:21
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yeniklasorDo you know better than firestarter as a firewall02:22
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trekdanneyeniklasor: firestarter is just a GUI02:22
runleveltenYou have a built in firewall. Firestarter et al just control it.02:22
runleveltenSo it's just a matter f picking one you can use easily :)02:22
lunitikWhere is the setting to have the mouse wheel change focus? This is default in Gutsy, I'd rather have the mouse wheel shade the window....02:23
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trekdanneiptables isn't that hard either when you have understood the basics02:23
lunitikI looked around in KControl > Desktop > Window Behavior, but I don't see it...02:23
neusonceggrrrrrr i cant get kaffine to play mp4 file and libmp4v2-0 is installed02:23
yeniklasortrekdanne : thanks for explain02:23
lunitikneusonce: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg02:24
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stdinneusonce: you have libxine-extracodecs ?02:24
runleveltenshould be in titlebar actions02:24
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runleveltenlunitik: should be in titlebar actions02:25
eifzoni just installed kubuntu with the alternative cd and i installed all updates, but i got a error02:25
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neusoncesays another process is useing it02:25
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 02:25
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neusonceno i dont think i do have libxine-extracodecs02:26
lunitikrunlevelten: That's where I set it to Shade/Unshade... but it's changing focus instead... hmm02:26
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runleveltenYeah, I noticed that now, too02:26
runleveltenare you using crystal?02:26
eifzonI get this error: http://pastebin.ca/65548002:26
lunitikrunlevelten: Yes, I went around in Crystals settings though, and don't see anything related to focus?02:27
runleveltenlunitik: Cycle tasks with mouse wheel in the crystal settings, overrides the KDE setting.02:27
runleveltenuncheck it, solvit probbed :)02:27
lunitikrunlevelten: Ahh... I guess I missed that then... thanks02:27
neusoncelibxine-extracodecs  yes i do have them02:27
neusonceyet i cant play mp4s02:27
lunitikrunlevelten: I still don't see that option?02:28
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stdinneusonce: where did you get the mp4s from?02:28
runleveltenlunitik: in "General".02:28
neusoncek torrent02:28
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runleveltenlunitik: If you're using a different version it may be called something else02:28
stdinneusonce: thay may be aac not mp4, try installing faac02:28
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runleveltenlunitik: I just discovered right clicking on the minimise button shades it, heh02:30
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lunitikrunlevelten: I'm dumb, got it, thank you.02:30
runleveltenalthough I always have double-click as shade anyway02:30
runleveltenI've never actually *used* double click to maximise a window in my life :)02:30
runleveltenlunitik: np02:30
lunitikrunlevelten: I figure, since you can have 2 options, might as well have double click do what it does elsewhere: maximize... and use mouse wheel for shade/unshade... makes more sense anyways...02:31
neusonceTHANKS GUYS02:31
lunitikrunlevelten: haha... I haven't either actually... I use right and middle click on the maximize button (mostly middle)02:31
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lunitikrunlevelten: I don't really ever have the need to have a window stretch the entire width of the screen *shrug*02:32
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BCMMhow do you configure compiz?02:42
BCMMand what is the KDE window decorator from compiz called?02:42
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eifzonHow do I install openoffice?02:43
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BCMMeifzon: open adept, and find openoffice, and install it02:45
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eifzonBCMM: I dont see it in my menu :S02:45
eifzonDo i have to restart X?02:45
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MilhousePunkRockHello everyone!02:50
MilhousePunkRockHow come KNetworkManager does not show any wireless networks when I switch from DHCP to static?02:50
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kalorinMilhousePunkRock: likely when you switch to static, you end up with too much static in your signal and it can't pick up any other stations03:02
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tattersI am having problems getting my capture device to work this thread contains same error and the solution that works,but I need a permenent fix if possible, does anyuone know about this issue?03:05
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trekdanneyou want to use dga with Nvidia binary driver?03:07
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tatterswell yes ,I spoke to someone who had same card and driver and they had no issues03:09
tattersSo it is the driver at fault?03:09
trekdanneif it works fine w/o DGA why bother?03:10
tattershow can I turn off this DGA thing ?03:10
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pawitpI didn't know that linux - or nvidia for that matter - automatically adapts the resolution to the monitor03:12
tattersDoes this mean Tvtime xawTv and other all have to be updated to run without DGA?03:12
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trekdanneDGA is pretty ancient03:14
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tattersWell i running gutsy hre so Y do I have this issue, I assume I got the latest packages03:15
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tatterscoI did not have this issue in fiesty and latest propriatry driver03:18
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stdintatters: probably more people in #ubuntu+1 (the gutsy channel) will know more about that03:19
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eifzonAnyone here using baghira?03:20
tattersim in there already but its quiet as a moose03:20
pawitpIf my memory serves correctly, that's OSX kde theme03:20
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eifzonpawitp: right.03:21
eifzonpawitp: :)03:21
stdintatters: how quiet is a moose? :p03:21
eifzoni dont understand how to install it..03:21
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pawitpit's in the repo03:21
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about baghira - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:22
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pawitp!find baghira03:22
ubotuFound: kwin-baghira03:22
eifzonis there any like macosx dockbar?03:22
eifzonlike exactly the same as the one for osx? :P03:22
bullgard4I imported my MS Access Project to Kexi. I can read the tables. It appears that Kexi did not import the forms. Does Kexi generally not import forms?03:23
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pawitpefizon I reckon there is, but the package is proken03:23
stdin!info kxdocker | eifzon03:23
ubotueifzon: kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB03:23
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yeniklasorHow to disable kwallet to knetworkmanager's wireless password request?03:24
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eifzonpawitp: what package is broken?003:24
pawitpkxdocker is, the last time I tried03:24
pawitpThe configuration file is blank causing it not to start03:25
pawitpI suggest you go grab edgy's deb03:25
eifzonis there any other wannabe docks?03:25
eifzonyou say i shall go to debian?!?!03:25
pawitpedgy eft's kxdocker is fixed03:25
eifzonso what do you say i to do?03:26
stdinyeniklasor: right click on the kwallet > configure kwallet and disable it03:26
stdineifzon: try the package03:26
eifzonstdin: where do i download it03:26
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pawitpchoose a mirror from there03:27
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stdineifzon: it's in the repositories03:27
pawitpFiesty's package is broken03:27
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pawitpso is Gustsy's03:27
eifzonjust apt-get it then03:27
stdinpawitp: reported the bug?03:27
pawitpstdin: The bug been there for ages03:28
pawitpAnd yes it's reported03:28
pawitpFixed once and broken again03:28
eifzonafter i apt-getted baghira03:28
eifzonhow do i install it?03:28
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pawitpit's installed03:29
geniiheh yesterday i had an interesting error message: "apt-get is not installed. Use apt-get install apt to install it"03:29
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eifzonpawitp: but how do i change to it03:29
pawitpcontrol panel03:30
pawitpgot to go now03:30
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bioswordciao a tutti03:32
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ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!03:32
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bioswordcome posso posizionarmi nella directory dei sorgenti kernel03:33
bioswordsto cercando di configurare il mio bluetooth03:33
stdinbiosword: #kubuntu-it03:34
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Naradahi which packages do i install to get all the nvidia stuff; there seem to be a lot of them03:35
bioswordchi mi aiuta con il bluetooth03:35
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stdin!nvidia | Narada03:36
ubotuNarada: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto03:37
Naradawhy is that https; strange03:37
stdinbiosword: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!03:37
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stdinNarada: all the ubuntu links are https03:37
BluesKajHowdy all :)03:37
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Naradastdin: those instructions are for gnome; i'm on kde03:38
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stdinNarada: look at the instructions for edgy03:38
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DrHalani read tht firefox is preinstalled on dapper but i cant find it03:40
stdinDrHalan: only on Ubuntu (not Kubuntu)03:40
DrHalanah ;(03:40
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eifzonanyone here got os x icons for kde?03:41
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icecruncherwhere can i find the sudoer file?03:43
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DrHalanhmm composite doesnt work on dapper "cant find the extension"03:43
eifzonicecruncher: as root, write visudo03:43
stdinicecruncher: why do you need it?03:44
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icecruncherme not in it, as a new user (yes i know that it's default, but now it's not)03:45
stdinicecruncher: are you the 1st user setup?03:46
stdinicecruncher: do you have access to the account that is?03:47
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stdinicecruncher: use that account to add your user to the "admin" group in system settings > user management03:47
icecruncherthen sudo works?03:48
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eifzonwhere can i find kde widgets?03:48
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Dr_willisKaramba and Super Karamba widgets are at kde-look.org03:49
Dr_willisgood luck finding any that are actually usefull./03:49
eifzonDr_willis, good :)03:50
eifzonWhere do i put my kdm themes then? :P03:50
Dr_willisdepends on what sort/part of the theme you mean03:50
Dr_willisKDe thems are made of several parts.03:50
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about themeinstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:51
Dr_willisHmm.. what is that factoid.03:51
ubotuFind your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy03:51
ubotuTo change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.03:51
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Tm_TDr_willis: read again he's question03:51
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Tm_Tlook what you done to me03:52
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:52
BluesKajnow we have ubuntus with 2 underscores, confuse me even more :)03:52
eifzonDr_willis, what is karamba doing then?03:52
Dr_willistheres that kdm control panel applet for that. :)03:52
Tm_TDr_willis: don't poke me03:52
Dr_williseifzon,  i find karamba and superkaramba both rather... well.. trash. I dont use either03:52
stdinDr_willis: it's all explained in the !clangethemes link03:53
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Dr_willisstdin,  What~! you expect people to read!? :)03:53
Dr_willisYou Radical!03:53
BluesKaji don't get the silliness of whole super karamba thing ...must my anti cutsy-pie outlook :)03:53
stdinDr_willis: well, this is IRC, people read all the time03:53
BluesKajmust be03:54
Dr_willisBluesKaj,  i find the idea of 'widgets' on the desktopp to be odd.. since i always have my apps fullscreened anyway03:54
Dr_willisI never see the desktop gizmos.03:54
Dr_willisGive me panel applets!03:54
BluesKajyup, panel icons rocks !03:55
Dr_willisat least the 'sidebar' stuff in some other OS's are a bit more useable in that area.03:55
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Dr_willisLEts see.. thers. Karamba, gdesklets, opera widgets,  and.. some others..03:55
Dr_willisdoes the google widget stuff work in linux? or was taht firefox?03:55
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about googledesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:56
DrHalani installed the fglrx drivers package manually. how can i get catalyst working?03:56
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DrHalani mean the catalyst control panel03:57
Daisuke-Idowhy did you install them manually?03:57
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Daisuke-Idoout of curiosity03:57
DrHalanthere was an error appearing03:57
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DrHalanso i was seraching for an how-to and only found a manual one03:58
BluesKajDrHalan: it should be listed in the k-menu03:58
Gtwyanyone know that website that visually links similar musicians by creating bubbles and showing the attachments03:59
DrHalanyeah but when i start it it appears in the control bar and then dissapears after some time04:01
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BluesKajwhich fglrx ...the proprietary driver from ATI ?04:01
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sayersWhy do the things I try and hide in the system tray come back each session?04:01
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trekdannesayers: you can turn settings off in System settings -> Advanced tab -> Session manager04:02
BluesKajahh...if you fel like doina little cli stuff this tutorial may help , if you use elcheapo onboard graphics like me ...it also provides 3D and DRI  for graphics heavy apps like Google earth etc :http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty04:02
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alexandros hello guys!04:03
NickPresta!hi | alexandros04:04
ubotualexandros: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!04:04
sayerstrekdanne: no. Not that.  Like if I try to hide lets say amarok in the previous session then I run it in a new session I'd have to config sys tray to hide it.04:04
alexandrosI'm trying to install kubuntu from network boot04:04
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alexandrosI've set up dhcp and tftp04:04
BluesKajDrHalan: did you get that ?04:04
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alexandrosbut when the client system boots-up it says TFTP open timeout04:04
alexandroswhat should I do? thanks04:05
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ksivajiBluesKaj hi04:05
dannioniare you sure you're trying the right port and ip?04:05
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alexandrosdannioni: where do u provide port and IP ?04:06
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dannioniwell, you do it in dhcpd.conf04:06
bullgard4I imported my MS Access Project to Kexi. I can read the tables. It appears that Kexi did not import the forms. Does Kexi generally not import forms?04:06
BluesKajhi ksivaji04:06
alexandrosin the tutorial I read there was no port attribute04:06
dannionino, i think that's automatic04:06
alexandrosthe ip should be correct04:07
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alexandroswhen I try to connect on my tftpd locally it seems it can't connect04:07
alexandrosI did tftp -> connect
alexandroshowever, I've installed the tftpd service in init.d04:08
dannionido you run it via inetd?04:08
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alexandrossorry I meant inetd.conf04:08
geniialexandros: You also need to enable it in /etc/defaults04:08
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alexandrosgenii: u mean tftpd? yes I already did that04:09
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geniialexandros: Yes, it's an important step some ppl miss04:10
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alexandrosu mean /etc/default/tftpd-hpa  right04:10
shiv_jJust installed on desktop knetworkmanager shows device as Netgear Wireless but no networks are detected... Any help?04:10
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RurouniJonesHowdy all, I am currently in Japan and have my system setup to allow me to enter Jap characters (via SCIM). It appears a side effect is that some applications (amarok and K3b comes to mind) is starting to display some menu items in Japanese. How can I get these back to English?04:14
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eifzonI just installed envy on my kubuntu, then the nvidia driver, and i rebooted, and i couldnt get into X because of this: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!04:16
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DrHalanhey how can i install flash with konqueror?04:17
geniialexandros: Sorry for lag. Yes, that was the file to be edited04:17
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geniialexandros: What dir did you export, traditional /var/lib/tftpboot   or some other?04:18
BluesKaj!envy | eifzon04:19
eifzonBluesKaj: I didnt get any error under the installation of the driver..04:19
ubotueifzon: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!04:19
BluesKajeifzon: not untill you tried to reboot into X04:19
eifzonBluesKaj: yes04:20
eifzonbut the binary drivers are old?04:20
BluesKajeifzon are you at a prompt ?04:20
eifzonyou mean a terminal? :P04:20
alexandrosgenii: yes that's what I exported /var/lib/tftpboot04:21
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BluesKajtry to uninstall envy , then do:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg04:21
eifzonBluesKaj: what to choose in there?04:22
shiv_jJust installed on desktop knetworkmanager shows device as Netgear Wireless but no networks are detected... Any help?04:22
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BluesKajgo with the generic nvidia driver for now , til you figure which one to use later04:23
eifzonBluesKaj: I know what driver I am going to use.04:23
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BluesKajwell if it's the same driver , you'll have the same problem04:24
geniialexandros: I have a working setup here done mostly from reference at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot and http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install04:24
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BluesKajeifzon: just don't use envy to install the driver04:25
eifzonBluesKaj: okok04:25
eifzonwiat brb04:25
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eifzonnow i am downloading http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html04:26
alexandrosgenii: thanks very much! I'll check it out now!04:27
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geniialexandros: I will be around if you need assistance with it04:28
alexandrosthanks man04:28
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BluesKajeifzon: the instructions looks pretty straightforward to me ... should work04:29
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ubotuLAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)04:31
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yeniklasoris it possible to stream some media with "ssh" ?04:36
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thehcdreamerHello, i'm trying to use a new webcam, a philips SPC315NC, but after installing the gspa drivers, i cant't use it04:37
geniiyeniklasor: I think you might want to look up about X forwarding or FreeNX instead04:37
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hydrogenI've been trying to resize my ntfs partition in order to install04:40
hydrogenand have had nothing but trouble04:40
hydrogenthe error now is "read_all: Input/output error"04:40
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hydrogenwhich I realize is nice and vague and not helpful at all04:41
DrHalanno flash player :S04:42
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yeniklasorstdin : How to stream some media with "ssh" ?04:43
DrHalancan someone explain me how to make flash work on konqueror04:43
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hsateraDrHalan: why  don't u use firefox?04:43
hydrogenbecause konqueror is a much better browser.04:44
hsaterahydrogen: will not argue..04:44
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yeniklasorDrHalan | install for firefox. Konqueror auto installing it04:44
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stdinyeniklasor: best way to do it is to install the "sshfs" package and mount the servers directory04:45
trekdanneDrHalan: just install flash-nonfree04:45
trekdanne!find flash04:45
ubotuFound: flashybrid, libflash-dev, libflash-mozplugin, libflash-swfplayer, libflash0c2 (and 4 others)04:45
yeniklasorstdin : thanks04:46
trekdanne!find flashplugin-nonfree04:46
ubotuFound: flashplugin-nonfree04:46
trekdannethat one04:46
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trekdanneDrHalan: then go Konqueror -> Settings -> Plugins -> Scan for plugins04:47
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash04:48
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d3vdilplz i want to install bochs04:50
d3vdilsome one can help me ?04:50
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stdin!info bochs04:51
ubotubochs: IA-32 PC emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.3-2 (feisty), package size 811 kB, installed size 2568 kB04:51
d3vdilsudo apt-get install bochs04:51
d3vdilbut don't work04:51
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DrHalantrekdanne i dont have firefox04:52
ubotuqemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo04:52
SlimeyPe1ed3vdil: try qemu04:52
d3vdilstdin, do you use bochs04:53
d3vdilok thanx all04:53
SlimeyPe1e!universe | d3vdil04:53
ubotud3vdil: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu04:53
d3vdili will try it04:53
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trekdanneDrHalan: no you don't have to04:54
trekdanneDrHalan: konqueror can use netscape-styled plugins04:55
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BluesKajd3vdil, you may have to edit your sources.list04:58
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d3vdilBluesKaj, edit sources.list??04:59
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trekdanned3vdil: /etc/apt/sources.list05:00
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d3vdilI use  6.10 (Edgy), so i update the sources.list to (Feisty)05:04
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BluesKajd3vdil, check the /etc/apt/sources.list by alt+f2 : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and look for lines (sources that are commented out) that have # in front of deb... delete the # , save and try to install your app05:04
stdinbochs is in edgy, it's in universe05:04
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d3vdilok now it's clear05:05
yeniklasorstdin : Am I wrong? "sudo sshfs yeniklasor@ /mnt/ssh/"  ?05:06
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stdinyeniklasor: no need for sudo, and you need the full path, just do something like "sshfs user@host:/home/user/videos /home/me/videos"05:07
yeniklasorstdin ok05:08
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ksivajistdin  is there any command to check CPU temperature ?05:10
Mr56kAnyone no the best brand laptops "a few" that work good with linux? Like hardware just working so you don't have to manually get stuff running05:10
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stdinMr56k: dell sell laptops with linux (ubuntu) installed05:11
Mr56kalso intel or amd boards one working better then the rest05:11
nosrednaekimMr56k: Ubuntu Dells05:11
Mr56kok thx stdin, I will check those out05:11
nosrednaekimintel (for laptops)05:11
stdinksivaji: try the ksensors package05:12
Mr56kanything else? Dells i have to order on www. . I was hoping to buy one locally05:12
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stdinksivaji: if you just want a command "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature"05:12
nosrednaekimMr56k: get any intel laptop and they should pretty much work. try to get one with intel wireless and intel or nvidia graphics05:13
yeniklasorstdin : "sshfs user@host:/home/user/videos /home/me/videos" didn't worked05:13
alexandroshmmm this tftpd doesnt seem to be working:(05:14
Mr56kk thx05:14
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geniiMr56k: Most Lenovo have linux-friendly hardware05:14
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stdinyeniklasor: you have to adapt the command to your circumstances05:14
alexandrosI read all the tutorials there but still nothing05:14
yeniklasoryes i did05:14
nosrednaekimgenii: but lenovo is oh so expensive...05:15
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ksivajimy cpu temperature is 51C is it normal ?05:15
alexandrosIm using dhtp and tftp in order to perform network boot05:15
nosrednaekimksivaji: if you are on a laptop, I think its ok.05:15
stdinksivaji: that's "cool"05:15
ksivajino desktop pc05:15
yeniklasorksivaji : more cool05:15
geniinosrednaekim: Well, this is true. My second choice would be some Satellite05:15
yeniklasorlaptops more hot :)05:16
nosrednaekimksivaji: well, ours ussually don't top 40C but I don't think 51 is dangerous05:16
nosrednaekimgenii: yeah, those are nice too.05:16
geniiksivaji: You are well within limits. If it starts getting to 70 then be worried05:16
alexandrosDHCP works ok but I think TFTPd is not05:16
alexandroshow can I check whether my tftp server is working?05:16
ksivajithank you05:16
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alexandrosI installed it as a service inside inetd.conf05:16
alexandrosand restarted the inted05:17
geniialexandros: do ps ax|grep tftp    you should see some result05:17
nosrednaekimksivaji: especially if that is a pentium 4 ;)05:17
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alexandrosgenii: no its not there05:17
ksivajino i have AMD 64 athlon05:17
nosrednaekimksivaji: oh ok..well that is a but hot for them. what is the room temperature?05:18
geniialexandros: Yes, then it's not starting. Do you have an entry in the /etc/init.d for it? Also is it executable05:18
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alexandrosyes I have an entry05:18
alexandroslet me check if its executable05:19
floppydj /msg nickserv link floppydj seapolperco05:19
stdingenii: "<alexandros> I installed it as a service inside inetd.conf" inetd runs it05:19
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ksivajinosrednaekim i dont have sensor or something to find room temperature05:19
nosrednaekimksivaji: ok... w/e its probably ok.05:19
geniistdin: Ah, sorry. Perceptive of you05:20
alexandrosroot@froulis:/usr/sbin# ls -la in.tftpd05:20
alexandros-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26704 2006-12-14 13:51 in.tftpd05:20
alexandrosit is executable05:20
alexandrosI also edited /etc/default/tftpd-hpa05:20
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stdinksivaji: my cpu has gotten up to 96C before, 50 is fine05:21
geniialexandros: What was the command in inted/xinetd you called for it? The actual binary is not named tftpd-hpa for instance05:21
ksivajistdin ho thank you05:22
Mr56kanyone no if this machine will be compatible with Kubuntu http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8404256&type=product&id=118074330492505:22
geniialexandros: It is something like /usr/sbin/in.tftpd05:22
Mr56k?  Thanks05:22
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