[12:16] <jhutchins> Assid: Notice the three commented lines at the top of the file in /peers.
[12:16] <ryan_> what was the kubuntu gutsy channel again ?
[12:16] <stdin> #ubuntu+1
[12:16] <jhutchins> Assid: These pass information to the client.
[12:16] <ryan_> thx
[12:16] <runlevelten> orpheus is really nice if you want a full player UI :)
[12:17] <runlevelten> ie in a console.
[12:17] <jhutchins> Assid: The line Server IP:benson uses DNS to return the IP of "benson".
[12:17] <Assid> hrmm
[12:17] <stdin> runlevelten: yeah, VLC has an ncurses interface too :)
[12:17] <Assid> one sec
[12:17] <jhutchins> Assid: You would probably either put the full IP of the destination server, or the fqdn.
[12:18] <xsacha> hi, is there any way i can make kubuntu cache a copy of firefox so it starts faster? it's just every other program (either because it's cached or uses qt libraries) starts instantly and firefox is taking a few seconds
[12:18] <runlevelten> I didn't know that. I use orpheus for my c64mode player. It looks wicked in that commodore font.
[12:19] <stdin> xsacha: that's because firefox is staticly linked, so it had to load it's own librarys every time.
[12:19] <jhutchins> Assid: for me the hard parts were getting the exact match between the "name" line in the peers file and the password line in the secrets file.
[12:19] <ryan_> firefox doesn't come with Kubuntu ?
[12:20] <runlevelten> xsacha: 1. Run firefox, 2. use kdocker to drop it in the tray. That is basically what a firefox preloader does anyway.
[12:20] <stdin> ryan_: no, not by default
[12:20] <stdin> just watch out for those forefox memory leeks
[12:20] <jhutchins> ryan_: By default jubuntu uses konqueror.
[12:20] <ryan_> wow that sucks. How is Konqueror ? I haven't used it but assuming its not even close to firefox or am i wrong ?
[12:21] <stdin> ryan_: no, you are wrong
[12:21] <xsacha> runlevelten: ok
[12:21] <stdin> ryan_: a lot of firefox's UI is based on konqueror
[12:21] <killown|away> how do I to install java on kubuntu? "I need it to start mercury messenger"
[12:21] <ryan_> Well thats a good thing then lol . I don't have to get firefox. It supports flash etc right ?
[12:21] <stdin> ryan_: konqueror has had tabbed browsing for years and add blocking built in
[12:22] <stdin> ryan_: konqueror supports flash and java. yes
[12:22] <ryan_> if i saved my bookmarks outta firefox can I import them easily in to konqueror
[12:22] <Assid> jhutchins: how do i do the serverip
[12:22] <jhutchins> ryan_: firefox handles some javascript pages a little better, that's probably something I could fix if i wanted to.
[12:22] <Assid> part
[12:23] <jhutchins> Assid: ok, where i have "# Server IP: benson", replace "benson" with the IP.
[12:23] <runlevelten> xsacha: you may need to configure your default browser so it always opens in an existing firefox, too.
[12:23] <Assid> doi need the # ?
[12:23] <jhutchins> in /etc/ppp/peers/benson
[12:23] <jhutchins> Assid: Yes.
[12:23] <jhutchins> Assid: It's wierd, but it needs commented commands to work.
[12:24] <Assid> okay done
[12:24] <Assid> still doesnt work
[12:24] <stdin> ryan_: firefox just stores it's bookmarks as html files, konqueror can then read that and import them
[12:24] <Assid> jhutchins: lets do this tomorrow.. its almost 4 am here
[12:24] <Assid> i bet sleep deprivation is contributing
[12:24] <jhutchins> Assid: Sure.
[12:24] <runlevelten> xsacha: actually, scratch that, you don't need to any more
[12:24] <Assid> thanks mate.. appreciate it
[12:25] <jhutchins> Wow.  It's 5:24 PM here.
[12:25] <xsacha> runlevelten: ok :P
[12:25] <runlevelten> xsacha: and now I have instantly starting ff too - thanks, heh
[12:25] <xsacha> :)
[12:25] <xsacha> using kdocker?
[12:25] <Assid> jhutchins: yeah.. its called INTERNET
[12:25] <Assid> hehe
[12:26] <runlevelten> Yeah.
[12:26] <Assid> they really should get kvpnc working
[12:26] <Assid> a nice dialer makes the difference to people
[12:26] <Assid> specially if linux does want to get more corporate desktops behind them
[12:26] <runlevelten> kdocker hides the running ff you need to be tidy
[12:27] <runlevelten> who is linux? How do you get stuff behind them?
[12:27] <jhutchins> Assid: The problems are that ppp is an increasingly obsolete protocol, and the tools have been moving and changing without getting cleaned up.
[12:27] <runlevelten> ;)
[12:27] <jhutchins> Assid: I agree, and will see if I can file a bugreport on it.
[12:28] <saylar> hey guys
[12:28] <jhutchins> Assid: Erm, actually, I have one filed, I'll see if I can get someone to look at it.
[12:28] <Assid> thanks
[12:28] <Assid> pick your brains in the AM if your up
[12:28] <saylar> someone here familiar with fdisk?
[12:28] <runlevelten> hello saydar :)
[12:28] <jhutchins> Assid: It worked fine in the previous release, but got out of sync with the back-end.
[12:28] <Assid> hehe
[12:28] <Assid> i cant access my box if it goes down
[12:28] <saylar> i'm having trouble creating partitions, mostly i'm an idiot ;)
[12:29] <Assid> no vpn.. no access to remote
[12:29] <jhutchins> Assid: I'm mostly here 16:00 - 01:00 GMT
[12:29] <xsacha> runlevelten: mm so the trick is to use minimise instead of quit whenever you want to close firefox?
[12:29] <Assid> jhutchins: kudos..
[12:29] <Assid> adieu
[12:29] <xsacha> ok
[12:29] <jhutchins> Speaking of which, time to go feed the horses.  l8r all.
[12:30] <runlevelten> xsacha: Yeah, just keep an instance loaded :)
[12:30] <saylar> is it even possible to have 5 different partitions on one physical hdd?
[12:30] <xsacha> it'd be good if whenever i quit, it loaded up a new one in kdocker
[12:30] <ryan_> Kubuntu on startup gets about half way across the progress bar then kinda hangs for a good 1-2 minutes. It does eventually boot fine but is there a way I can speed that up at all ?
[12:31] <dedi> im looking for an alternate kliibdo
[12:32] <xsacha> ryan_: hang? :\ for 1-2 minutes? when exactly? the splash screen?
[12:32] <surgy> i have mplayer and i have vlc and i have all of the libdvd modules, why cant i watch the 300?
[12:32] <xsacha> takes less than a minute to get to workable desktop from pressing power button
[12:32] <ryan_> part where it says Kubuntu with the loading bar
[12:32] <xsacha> somethin bad there :(
[12:32] <ryan_> goes half way then stays there for awhile
[12:33] <surgy> anyone have any ideas?
[12:33] <runlevelten> xsacha: Easily done by wrapping firefox in a script - that's a lot of unnecessary overhead, though
[12:33] <stdin> surgy: have the libdvdcss2 one?
[12:33] <xsacha> ryan_: theres a way to see the text output instead.. i forgot key combo. then you'd be able to see what it spending all that time
[12:33] <xsacha> runlevelten: alright
[12:34] <surgy> stdin: thats not even an install candidate
[12:34] <runlevelten> I'm sure there's another docker xsacha, that lets you turn the close button into "dock"
[12:34] <runlevelten> alldock?
[12:34] <stdin> surgy: yes, I know, you have to install that for encrypted DVDs tho
[12:35] <stdin> surgy: it's technically illegal in the US...
[12:35] <surgy> how do i get it if its not in the repos?
[12:35] <runlevelten> xsacha: alltray
[12:35] <xsacha> ok
[12:35] <runlevelten> works just fine. the close button is docking it
[12:35] <stdin> surgy: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[12:36] <xsacha> but that'll happen for all apps or just firefox?
[12:36] <runlevelten> only for apps you dock
[12:36] <ryan_> yea im hoping watching my dvd's and divx movies on my laptop is as easy as it was under ubuntu running gnome. When i opened one it had me download some drivers that fixed them all in on e shot
[12:36] <xsacha> k
[12:36] <stdin> surgy: actually, you can just do "sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh"
[12:37] <runlevelten> xsacha: once you've told it where the close button is on windows, on your firts run, you can stick a script with the following in .kde/Autostart
[12:37] <runlevelten> alltray firefox
[12:37] <runlevelten> :)
[12:38] <xsacha> mmm sometimes clicking x in corner puts it on dock and sometimes it quits
[12:38] <runlevelten> then you'll get it started with kde, and firefox will appear nice and quickly when you open pages, and dock when you click the x
[12:38] <xsacha> it's like i have to press it exactly in the centre
[12:39] <runlevelten> xsacha: really? I can't reproduce that here...
[12:39] <runlevelten> what window decoration are you using? I use crystal
[12:40] <xsacha> domino..
[12:41] <xsacha> looks like this: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2876/firefoxqi8.png
[12:41] <xsacha> mm no it seems to be just random.. i click in centre and it still quits sometimes
[12:44] <runlevelten> weird, can't get that to happen on mine
[12:45] <xsacha> i get this after running alltray -configure and selecting the X again:   (alltray:6786): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_destroy: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[12:46] <xsacha> mm it's working now :D
[12:48] <xsacha> thanks
[12:48] <runlevelten> ;)
[12:50] <sayers> is avi a restricted format?
[12:50] <yeniklasor> stdin : How to remote desktop with another Kubuntu(on network) ?
[12:51] <runlevelten> time to game before sleep. night all :)
[12:51] <sayers> yeniklasor: why not do it on that computer
[12:51] <sayers> yeniklasor: Never mind, sorry read that completly wrong
[12:51] <sayers> I thought you said remove.
[12:51] <stdin> sayers: avi isn't a format, it's a "container" it can use any number of different codecs, some (most) of which are restricted
[12:52] <sayers> Learn something new everydya
[12:52] <stdin> yeniklasor: I just use SSH to do that
[12:52] <stdin> yeniklasor: there is VNC too
[12:52] <stdin> !vnc
[12:52] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[12:53] <yeniklasor> ok how to ssh? "ssh usr@192.168.2.3" like this?
[12:53] <sayers> stdin: And what would I need to view the avi movie?
[12:53] <stdin> yeniklasor: yep, but that will give you command line access only, add "-Y" after "ssh" to be able to start graphical applications
[12:54] <wolferine> anyone want to assist with setting up my webcam, I have been reading all day and it doesnt look like I can get it by myself
[12:54] <stdin> sayers: depends on the codec
[12:54] <sayers> in /genral/
[12:54] <yeniklasor> stdin : thanks for all
[12:55] <stdin> sayers: you probably need the w32codecs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/StreamingVideo#w32codecs
[12:55] <stdin> yeniklasor: ofcource you need to have the ssh server installed on the remote system
[12:56] <stdin> yeniklasor: the "ssh" package will set that up if you haven't got it
[12:57] <yeniklasor> my kubuntu server laptop has it I think. Now rebooting
[12:57] <xsacha> what about KDRC?
[12:57] <sayers> that worked stdin
[12:57] <sayers> Thanks very much so
[12:58] <stdin> sayers: no problem :)
[12:58] <stdin> RDC/VNC are good if you need the whole desktop on a remote display, but for single applications and such SSH has much less overhead
[12:59] <xsacha> can you get a graphical connection with ssh?
[12:59] <stdin> yeah
[12:59] <stdin> I use it all the time
[01:00] <wolferine> webcam, anyone?
[01:00] <xsacha> stdin: what's the command?
[01:00] <xsacha> cant see it in man
[01:01] <stdin> xsacha: both the -X and the -Y switches will allow you to do X11 forwarding
[01:01] <stdin> xsacha: eg: I use "ssh -Y stdin@goku" to run applications from my server (called goku)
[01:01] <xsacha> ok
[01:02] <yeniklasor> stdin : "ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.2 port 22: Connection refused"
[01:02] <stdin> yeniklasor: have sshd installed ? it's not installed by default, the "ssh" package installs it
[01:04] <yeniklasor> ok
[01:04] <yeniklasor> is it possible to download or upload a file from ssh server or ssh client ?
[01:05] <stdin> yeniklasor: yes, that's what the command "scp" does
[01:05] <yeniklasor> ok
[01:05] <stdin> yeniklasor: you can do it from konqueror too, "sftp://user@server"
[01:06] <yeniklasor> oh that is great
[01:07] <holycow> man, every time
[01:07] <holycow> i've started using konversation and its amazing how much more advanced it is over xchat
[01:07] <holycow> this happens over and over again every time i compare gnome versus kde apps
[01:08] <holycow> as much as i like gnome this is just an interesting phenomenon
[01:08] <xsacha> what changed recently? konversation looks same to me :)
[01:08] <holycow> probably nothing, i'm a new user.  konversation just works
[01:08] <xsacha> same as about november last year anyway
[01:08] <holycow> in xchat if i need to join two different networks i haveto open two windows
[01:09] <holycow> in konversation it works how i was expecting it to
[01:09] <xsacha> really? 2 windows to join 2 networks?
[01:09] <stdin> konversation is much cleaner and less '90s feeling :p
[01:09] <xsacha> i thought xchat had it all in 1, same as konvo
[01:10] <holycow> i couldnt' find a way to set that up, it was totally annoying anyway
[01:10] <yeniklasor> stdin : it says there is no sshd package
[01:10] <xsacha> sshd is in the ssh package
[01:10] <stdin> yeniklasor: yes, like I said, it's called "ssh"
[01:10] <yeniklasor> ok
[01:10] <holycow> xchat JUST got the 'tree view' of the channels like 6 months ago too
[01:10] <holycow> i bet konversatio nhad that for ages
[01:10] <xsacha> tree view?
[01:11] <xsacha> like server and then underneath it   -  channelname    - channel2name
[01:11] <holycow> on the left hand side yeah
[01:11] <holycow> instead of tabs
[01:12] <xsacha> do you know that is no longer the default in konversation for kubuntu now? :O
[01:12] <holycow> appearently but at least i can switch it back
[01:12] <xsacha> apparently it wasnt default in standard konversation before, have to change it in options
[01:12] <holycow> i don't understand why tabbed view is preffered, that makes no sense to me
[01:12] <xsacha> i dont know why it isnt default though.. looks better than the tabs underneath
[01:12] <holycow> the only thing i don't like about kde developers is they insist on using every window margin to stick fricking tabs and widgets in
[01:12] <xsacha> i emailed the maintainer about it and he gave me about 3 reasons
[01:12] <holycow> very annoying but still
[01:12] <stdin> xsacha: because a few (vocal) people complained all over the kde.org bug tracker
[01:13] <holycow> stdin: really?
[01:13] <holycow> what assholes thats so stupid
[01:13] <stdin> "ooh, it doesn't fit in to the default KDE"
[01:13] <stdin> so change it that, gah
[01:13] <holycow> every irc client on the planet has the tree view as default, its what people expect
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[01:13] <holycow> well as long as it can be changed back, no biggie
[01:14] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Heya
[01:14] <xsacha> tree view: http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2107/konversationyc1.png
[01:16] <xsacha> The two primary reasons for the bottom default setting are as follows: - Tab bars are the more prevalent interface element for applications of this nature throughout KDE, such as Kopete and Konsole.
[01:16] <xsacha> - The left-hand alternative was primarily added for users who run into the space constraints of the bottom tab bar due to having many channels open. For a scenario with only a few channels, on the other hand, it's a poor use of space.
[01:18] <leus> how do i install or upgrade my kde 3.5.6 to kde4
[01:18] <leus> how do i install or upgrade my kde 3.5.6 to kde4?... pls.
[01:18] <xsacha> leus: using feisty or gutsy?
[01:18] <stdin> leus: KDE4 isn't out yet
[01:18] <stdin> leus: only a beta
[01:19] <stdin> leus: and you can't replace KDE3x with KDE4
[01:19] <xsacha> leus: you can install kde4 beta along side kde3 in feisty or gutsy and then run it in a nested X server (Xephyr)
[01:19] <unclemike> ? anyone useing kde4.0 beta1
[01:20] <xsacha> instructions are here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[01:20] <stdin> also in the /topic :)
[01:22] <unclemike> i was just woundering how kde4.0 is
[01:23] <stdin> it's not kde 4.0 yet :) and it's still very beta
[01:23] <unclemike> its kde4.0 beta1
[01:24] <stdin> unclemike: no, it's kde4 beta 1, kde4.0 hasn't been released
[01:24] <unclemike> or download each opackage is kde 3.92
[01:24] <kubuntu> i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that?
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> kubuntu, try konq
[01:25] <kubuntu> oh damn, i just uninstalled konq. thanks hitman
[01:26] <Xera^> http://pastebin.com/m2fab55f4
[01:26] <Xera^> Does this mean anything to anyone?
[01:26] <stdin> Xera^: what application?
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> Xera^, mono error, looks like, what were you running?
[01:27] <Xera^> SHHelper
[01:27] <Xera^> Slavehack proggy
[01:27] <Xera^> Want me to upload?
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> never heard of it
[01:27] <Xera^> Probably not
[01:27] <stdin> is it from the repositories ?
[01:27] <stoned> hi
[01:28] <Xera^> No, stdin
[01:28] <stoned> how hard is it to install flash on 64bit
[01:28] <stoned> ?
[01:28] <Xera^> Not hard
[01:28] <stoned> really
[01:28] <stdin> Xera^: then you'd have to report that to the people that make/distribute it
[01:28] <stoned> Xera^: what do i have to do
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> at least not anymore
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> !64
[01:28] <stoned> stdin: howdy
[01:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:28] <stoned> !amd64
[01:28] <ubotu> AMD64 and EMT64 are fully supported architectures on Ubuntu. See http://tinyurl.com/jv6tc for more information.
[01:28] <stdin> stoned: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[01:28] <stoned> thanks
[01:28] <stoned> you rock
[01:28] <stdin> yes, I know :P
[01:29] <hitmanWilly> ugh, rebuilding my gentoo box right now, heh...
[01:29] <kubuntu> -e Starting wicrawl installation:
[01:29] <kubuntu> Installing base files in:   [/usr/local/wicrawl] 
[01:29] <kubuntu> Installing binaries in:     [/usr/sbin] 
[01:29] <kubuntu> Installing config files in: [/etc/wicrawl] 
[01:29] <kubuntu> Installing docs in:         [/usr/share/doc/wicrawl] 
[01:29] <kubuntu> # Directories, perl modules, and conf files
[01:29] <kubuntu> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `discovery/apcore': No such file or directory
[01:29] <kubuntu> make: *** [install]  Error 1
[01:29] <kubuntu> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[01:29] <kubuntu> anyone know about checkinstall
[01:29] <Xera^> Don't paste in the channel.. :|
[01:29] <stdin> !paste | kubuntu
[01:29] <ubotu> kubuntu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:30] <stoned> if I do all this kubuntu will have amd64 + java + flash?
[01:30] <kubuntu> sorry bout that
[01:30] <stdin> stoned: yeah
[01:30] <stoned> ok
[01:30] <stoned> I am booted under ubuntu amd64
[01:30] <stoned> can i just pop in the kubuntu 64 cd? or must I reboot with kubuntu 64?
[01:30] <greenkobold> i have downloaded a .deb file, i cant install it by clicks because it prompts that it requires some dependencies
[01:31] <greenkobold> how do i install those dependencies?
[01:31] <kubuntu> sudo apt-get -f install
[01:31] <hitmanWilly> stoned, ubuntu and kubuntu are the same distro with different apps
[01:31] <kubuntu> for dpends
[01:31] <stdin> greenkobold: try "sudo apt-get -f install" in konsole
[01:31] <stoned> I don't want ANY gnome CRAP installed
[01:32] <stdin> stoned: install kubuntu-desktop and the follow www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[01:32] <hitmanWilly> stoned, ok, apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && apt-get autoremove
[01:32] <kubuntu> checkinstall never works for me anyone know about it?
[01:32] <hitmanWilly> stoned, while in sudo -i
[01:32] <stdin> kubuntu: you'll have to report your errors to the people that make it
[01:32] <DJAnubis> hey
[01:32] <DJAnubis> someone here may be more helpful -.-
[01:33] <DJAnubis> I need help using GParted
[01:33] <Sanne> stoned: I also prefer KDE, but that doesn't mean GNOME is crap. That's not a nice attitude.
[01:33] <kubuntu> stdin - does checkinstall work for u?
[01:33] <stoned> does overclocking affect 64bit differently?
[01:33] <stoned> if you get erros in kubuntu and apps shut down or crash could be because of that?
[01:33] <stoned> from 1866 mhz to 3500mhz
[01:33] <stdin> kubuntu: most of the time, but I prefer to "debianize" the packages
[01:33] <greenkobold> stdin: strange, I though that command was wrong, for I could have many diferent .deb files on the sabe directory, so what would the system understand
[01:33] <stoned> 32bit runs solid, however I get errors in 64bit
[01:33] <stoned> anyone know anything bout this?
[01:34] <kubuntu> i thought thats what checkinstall did. debanize
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> stoned, 64 bit is still a bit buggy
[01:34] <stdin> kubuntu: not a proper .deb, it's just a wrapper for "make install"
[01:34] <saylar> runs smooth on my server ;)
[01:34] <hitmanWilly> stoned, plus 32 bit doesn't stress the cpu as much
[01:35] <kubuntu> stdin: if i make on my own, it doesnt work either
[01:35] <stoned> so maybe I should clock down?
[01:35] <stdin> greenkobold: that command is just used to fix dependencies, you already tried to install a deb but it needed other packages, so apt got them for you then continued the install
[01:35] <stoned> i have only 1gb ram
[01:35] <stoned> does that effect 64bit performanc?
[01:35] <Xera^> "only"
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> stoned, that's plenty
[01:36] <stoned> ok
[01:36] <stdin> kubuntu: it won't work if the package won't compile/install normally
[01:36] <stoned> how about X1900xtx driver
[01:36] <stoned> fglrx under 64bit?
[01:36] <DJAnubis> can someone PM me if they can help me with GPArted, I'm sick from looking at the text go by
[01:36] <stoned> it works?
[01:36] <kubuntu> ive tried several .tgz installs to no avail
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> stoned, fglrx is crap normally...
[01:36] <stoned> well im sorry
[01:37] <stdin> DJAnubis: it would be better if you actually asked the question
[01:37] <stoned> but that is the card I bought
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> stoned, probably more so under 64
[01:37] <stoned> cuz im an idiot
[01:37] <stoned> i guess i'll just run 32bit then
[01:37] <hitmanWilly> stoned, im not trying to insult you, im just saying that the driver has issues
[01:37] <greenkobold> hum, thanks stdin, that was great
[01:37] <stoned> hitmanWilly: i know
[01:37] <stoned> hitmanWilly: did I come off as defensive?
[01:37] <stoned> my bad
[01:37] <kubuntu> i have 64 but only use 32
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> stoned, its ok :)
[01:38] <stoned> so 32 or 64?
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> stoned, if its any consolation to you, im setting up a 64 bit gentoo box right now :P
[01:38] <stoned> you decide for me
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> stoned, sorry, we're not M$ here
[01:38] <stoned> haha
[01:38] <stoned> ok
[01:39] <stoned> may I ask you to suggest then?
[01:39] <stoned> not decide
[01:39] <stdin> stoned: you'll probably have less trouble with 32bit tbh (but it's your choice :P )
[01:39] <stoned> I bought this cheap piece of crap cpu so I can overclock it
[01:39] <hitmanWilly> stoned, if it was me, I would stick to 32 unless you really know what you're doing
[01:40] <stoned> I figured, 64bit would be twice as fast
[01:40] <stoned> cuz its 32+32
[01:40] <hitmanWilly> stoned, especially on a buntu machine
[01:40] <stdin> stoned: you know overclocking can damage the CPU (and possibly RAM)?
[01:40] <stoned> stdin: really?
[01:40] <stdin> yes
[01:40] <stoned> omg!
[01:40] <Xera^> lo
[01:40] <Xera^> lol
[01:40] <stoned> you are joking!?
[01:40] <stoned> right?
[01:40] <stdin> no
[01:40] <stoned> wow, you actually fell for tht
[01:40] <stoned> :)
[01:41] <stdin> stoned: read about it on wikipedia
[01:41] <stoned> I have a massive 900gram copper block with 8 heatpipes
[01:41] <holycow> stoned 64 isn't actually twice as fast
[01:41] <saylar> you never know stoned, this is the interwebs ;)
[01:41] <stoned> I have 8 fans in my system
[01:41] <holycow> infact 64 bit is sometimes slower for the same tasks
[01:41] <saylar> people do all kinds of crazy stuff
[01:41] <stdin> stoned: heat isn't the only cause of damage...
[01:41] <holycow> there are actually very few things that can actually use 64 bit cpus properly
[01:41] <holycow> 3d rendering, large databases, video editing apps are a few that are suited for that task
[01:41] <stoned> I have a successful overclock, almost 1 year running 24/7 solid from 1866mhz core 2 duo d6300 to 3500mhz
[01:42] <stoned> I have fan on my northbridge heatsink
[01:42] <stoned> turst me, I know how to OC
[01:42] <stoned> I just don'tk now 64bit as much
[01:42] <stdin> stoned: just saying
[01:42] <stoned> or how it works or affects anything
[01:42] <holycow> for the average desktoip application, even if it is recompiled for 64 bit support, it a) isn't programmed for 64 bit support and franklly doesn't really need 64 bit support
[01:42] <stoned> i appreciate your concern
[01:42] <stoned> hell, my mobo doesn't even have solid state capacitors
[01:42] <stoned> i like to live da vida loca
[01:42] <stoned> haha
[01:43] <stoned> my last one I overclocked, after 4 years of working great, the capacitors blew up
[01:43] <stoned> it was like a gunshot
[01:43] <stoned> purple smoke
[01:43] <hitmanWilly> uh oh, the magic smoke escaped!
[01:43] <stoned> but still, I got 4 years out of that machine, and it ran great.  50% oc on that one
[01:43] <stdin> only 4 years, I have toasters older :p
[01:44] <stoned> 50% oc for 4 years nonstop and THEN it blew up
[01:44] <DJAnubis> I need help using GParted, I want to move the unallocated space from place 4 to the install at place 2
[01:44] <DJAnubis> 1|2      |3            |4      |
[01:44] <stoned> why do I even need to install ubuntu
[01:44] <DJAnubis> 1 is linux swtich
[01:44] <stoned> live cd is just as good
[01:44] <stoned> just slower
[01:44] <stoned> hehe
[01:44] <DJAnubis> alot slower
[01:45] <DJAnubis> 2 is the install
[01:45] <DJAnubis> 3 is windows
[01:45] <stoned> maybe
[01:45] <hitmanWilly> stoned, and installing stuff is a pain
[01:45] <DJAnubis> 4 is unallocated
[01:45] <saylar> DJAnubis, you may wanna try the livecd
[01:45] <saylar> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:45] <DJAnubis> I am
[01:45] <saylar> oh *g*
[01:45] <DJAnubis> I need help actually USING it
[01:45] <stoned> I could extract the kernel/initrd from the cd and then copy the iso on the disk and try to boot the iso through kernel through grub
[01:45] <stoned> so maybe i don't have to run live cd from cd
[01:45] <stoned> maybe its possible i have not looked into it
[01:45] <stoned> is it?
[01:46] <Minataku> Dr_willis: You around?
[01:46] <hitmanWilly> stoned, actually, yeah, it probably is
[01:46] <stdin> stoned: yeah, you can run from hdd
[01:46] <stoned> basically
[01:46] <stoned> I was pl aying oblivion
[01:46] <stoned> right
[01:46] <DJAnubis> errrr
[01:46] <stoned> so I installed windows xp, and blah blah, all my porn was on ext3
[01:46] <hitmanWilly> stoned, you can mount iso's as filesystems, so yeah, should be
[01:46] <DJAnubis> so, can anyone help me???
[01:46] <stoned> so I mounted ext3 with ext2ifs kernel driver
[01:47] <stoned> but windows is windows, it shut down crashed, and i got errors in my 500gb ext3 disk
[01:47] <stoned> so it took me almost a whole night, I went to bed, but it was runniung fsck all night
[01:47] <stoned> finally got my ext3 volume fixed, and now I'm trying to decide weather to dual boot for gaming, or try something else so that ext3 disk is always available under window
[01:47] <stoned> did I say porn
[01:47] <stoned> I meant movies/music
[01:47] <stoned> ;)
[01:48] <DJAnubis> damnit, I need some fucking assistance, I don't want to hear about someone's porn recovery story, I've got a bloody headache
[01:48] <hitmanWilly> DJAnubis, sorry, not really an expert on that particular app
[01:48] <DJAnubis> ...
[01:48] <DJAnubis> dangit
[01:48] <stoned> it was a joke dude
[01:48] <stoned> c'mon
[01:48] <stdin> DJAnubis: watch the language..
[01:48] <DJAnubis> I still have a headache from this stupid situation
[01:48] <kamva881> Hi all, I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png
[01:48] <stoned> DJAnubis: how about this
[01:48] <stoned> DJAnubis: go get a drink, take a few deep breaths, relax and come back to tackle the problem with a clamer mind
[01:49] <kamva881> I use a german key board
[01:49] <stoned> calmer*
[01:49] <stoned> DJAnubis: what exactly do you want to know
[01:49] <DJAnubis> yeah, that always works
[01:49] <DJAnubis> I just told you
[01:49] <stoned> you did not tellme anything
[01:49] <DJAnubis> but you blocked it up with your story dude
[01:49] <stoned> in fact, you never addressed me ever
[01:49] <DJAnubis> okay, I'll say it again
[01:49] <hitmanWilly> DJAnubis, and as far as doing that non-destructively, im not sure if its even possible
[01:49] <DJAnubis> (11:44:10 PM) DJAnubis: I need help using GParted, I want to move the unallocated space from place 4 to the install at place 2
[01:49] <DJAnubis> (11:44:26 PM) DJAnubis: 1|2      |3            |4      |
[01:50] <saylar> is it ext3?
[01:50] <kamva881> Anybody who can help me with that problems.. Thanks in advanec
[01:50] <stoned> I use windows tools to move partitions
[01:50] <DJAnubis> 2 is ext3
[01:50] <stoned> like, partition magic
[01:50] <DJAnubis> partition magic won't touch linux
[01:50] <stoned> it won't?
[01:50] <DJAnubis> it's paranoid of it
[01:50] <DJAnubis> yeah
[01:50] <stoned> life is a biznatch
[01:50] <DJAnubis> I already tried
[01:50] <stoned> get used to it
[01:51] <stoned> is there a #parted?
[01:51] <stoned> if so, try asking there
[01:51] <stdin> DJAnubis: then you must have a very old version of it, I have one from a few years ago that loves linux
[01:51] <DJAnubis> well, just kinda thought, you know, somebody in all of freenode would know something about this program
[01:52] <Xera^> This is going to sound so stupid but I forgot my MySQL root password, how do I reset it? :|
[01:52] <stoned> is there a way to convert ext3 to ntfs
[01:52] <stoned> don't hit me
[01:52] <DJAnubis> lol
[01:52] <stoned> just asking...
[01:52] <saylar> DJAnubis, look at this article. maybe it helps
[01:52] <saylar> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions
[01:52] <saylar> this is how i did couple of hours ago
[01:52] <saylar> royal pain in the ass ;)
[01:53] <stdin> Xera^: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset
[01:53] <Xera^> Thanks
[01:53] <DJAnubis> saylar, thank you for providing some light on this incredibly open subject
[01:54] <saylar> no worries man. i know how annoying this issue is. and it seemed so trivial in the beginning, didn't it? ;)
[01:54] <stoned> i got xp home, pro, vista, debian etch, ubuntu, kubuntu, and all the respective 64bit editions
[01:54] <DJAnubis> the best part of this page is the "windows Server 2003" ad in the middle
[01:54] <stoned> now what do i want as my desktop
[01:54] <stoned> hmm
[01:55] <saylar> get adblock DJAnubis
[01:55] <stoned> what to do, what to do /me scratches head
[01:55] <DJAnubis> well, it's this, or reinstall ubuntu
[01:55] <saylar> i haven't seen ads for years
[01:55] <DJAnubis> I don't want adblock
[01:55] <DJAnubis> I don't use the internet enough to do that
[01:55] <saylar> so you like ads?
[01:55] <DJAnubis> I just play games and program a little
[01:56] <ryan_> so does the Kaffeine player not play much or what??  It wont play my mp3
[01:56] <saylar> adblock is an extension for firefox, just one click to install it
[01:56] <kamva881> Hi all, I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png
[01:56] <DJAnubis> meh
[01:56] <ryan_> or divx.. Vlc seemed to play both fine
[01:56] <DJAnubis> I don't need it, besides, this is the liveCD
[01:56] <kamva881> I am also using a German Keyboard.. is this problem any way related to it
[01:56] <saylar> ah, ok.
[01:57] <unlovedpanda> hi all :)
[01:57] <DJAnubis> wow
[01:57] <DJAnubis> saylar, thanks anyways
[01:57] <DJAnubis> I'm just gonna reinstall ubuntu
[01:57] <saylar> good luck ;)
[01:57] <unlovedpanda> im having troubles installing 6.06 on my twinhead h12y laptop
[01:57] <DJAnubis> also the main #ubuntu channel is so crowded and nobody answers
[01:57] <ryan_> so does the Kaffeine media player usually play those files or should I be using vlc etc
[01:58] <wolferine> can someone help with setting up my webcam, I believe the incorrect drivers are the issue
[01:58] <Biovore> I like vlc over kaffeine. I use mplayer for most video applications though..
[01:58] <unlovedpanda> im in the install console and need to rm 8139too.ko but cant navigate to where it is meant to be :p
[01:58] <unlovedpanda> anyone know where it is?
[01:58] <ryan_> but does kaffeine usually play divx, mp3, etc after the restricted codecs are installed?
[01:58] <ryan_> cause mine wont
[01:58] <wolferine> underdog5004, locate filename
[01:58] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: /lib/modules/<kernel_Version>/drivers/net
[01:59] <Biovore> I think
[01:59] <unlovedpanda> Biovore : what is the kernel version :p
[01:59] <Biovore> type uname -a
[01:59] <unlovedpanda> k
[01:59] <unlovedpanda> thanks
[02:00] <stoned> ok
[02:00] <stoned> well
[02:00] <stoned> I'm not in the gaming mood
[02:00] <stoned> I guess I'll ditch xp for now
[02:00] <unlovedpanda> Biovore : cant cd to drivers :(
[02:00] <ryan_> man I didn't think it would be a big deal switching from Ubuntu to Kubuntu... Quite a difference though
[02:00] <stoned> I got a ghosted copy on a usb disk
[02:00] <wolferine> someone, help with setting up my webcam?
[02:01] <unlovedpanda> Biovore : do you know why?
[02:01] <stdin> wolferine: have you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam ?
[02:01] <wolferine> stdin, yep
[02:02] <jamonation> unlovedpanda: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net
[02:02] <stdin> wolferine: and you can't see it ?
[02:02] <wolferine> stdin, I know I can get it to work, I had it before
[02:02] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net
[02:02] <Biovore> Thats where it is on my computer here..
[02:02] <unlovedpanda> thank you, sorry i should have double checked :p
[02:02] <wolferine> stdin, easycam fails on making
[02:02] <jamonation> Biovore's computer != unlovedpanda's computer
[02:02] <stdin> wolferine: making?
[02:02] <Biovore> rgr4
[02:03] <wolferine> stdin, make install actually
[02:03] <kev_> i recently added kubuntu on a sony vaio laptop that uses windows vista as an OS
[02:03] <kev_> anyone know if vista could still be functional?
[02:03] <ryan_> how does it run?
[02:03] <Biovore> kev_: It is here..
[02:04] <ryan_> oh. Well vista should be there unless you wiped the drive
[02:04] <stdin> wolferine: what error?
[02:04] <Biovore> try sudo make install :-P
[02:04] <ryan_> grub boot menu should show it at start up. It did on one of my other pcs
[02:04] <saylar> kev_, kubuntu should have installed grub, a boot manager
[02:05] <kamva881> Can any one help me please ?
[02:05] <zarilion> Hi! I'm having some problems with amarok. When i try to start it, the icon just bumps up and down for a while then dissapears. When i try to start it from the terminal nothing happenes. Does anyone have an idea on whats wrong ?
[02:05] <wolferine> 'Ereur lors de la commande Make Install'
[02:05] <wolferine> !ask | kamva881
[02:05] <ubotu> kamva881: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:05] <kev_> only thing is that im scared that when i open vista i get a menu, but it wont open unless it does a full check on the hardware
[02:05] <kev_> n im not sure if it will format the memory
[02:05] <kamva881> I have already asked my question three times
[02:06] <kamva881> nobody responded yet.. any ways.. here it is
[02:06] <ryan_> So did anyone else go from Ubuntu to Kubuntu and have some transition issues between Gnome and Kubuntu. Seemed like it was alot harder getting kde setup the way i needed it.
[02:06] <Biovore> kev_: you don't format memory.. memory gets reset when you reboot the computer..
[02:06] <wolferine> !patience | kamva881
[02:06] <kamva881> I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png
[02:06] <ubotu> kamva881: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:06] <wolferine> stdin, 'Ereur lors de la commande Make Install'
[02:06] <Biovore> kev_: Vista shouldn't care linux is on the disk with it..  all the hardware is still the same..
[02:07] <kev_> alright, ill try it n hope it doesnt do anything to it ...
[02:07] <kamva881> ubotu@ I completely understand that and appreaciate the fact that you help people like me..
[02:07] <stdin> wolferine: english ?
[02:07] <Xera^> Is there way to get the middle-click scroll thingy in Firefox?
[02:08] <kamva881> wolferine: I have a small problem with the fonts in the terminal. I have a snapshot of it at the following link. http://www.tlc.unipr.it/kamesh/temp/snap.png
[02:08] <wolferine> stdin, thats the error
[02:08] <stoned> alright
[02:08] <stdin> kamva881: ubotu is a bot
[02:08] <stoned> im gonna try 64bit
[02:08] <stdin> wolferine: what does that mean in english ?
[02:08] <kamva881> stdin: I realised that just now :-)
[02:08] <wolferine> stdin, its an error during Make install
[02:09] <wolferine> stdin, as I previously stated
[02:09] <stdin> wolferine: was that with  "sudo make install" ?
[02:10] <aguitel> is anyone have nerolinux full version with valid serial?
[02:10] <Biovore> no one really uses nerolinux..
[02:10] <Biovore> k3b works better for most things..
[02:10] <wolferine> stdin, no, thats within the 'easycam' applictaion
[02:10] <stdin> aguitel: why would you want nerolinux? K3B is much better
[02:10] <aguitel> it freeze    now
[02:11] <stdin> wolferine: no, was the command you put in "sudo make install" or just "make install" ?
[02:11] <unlovedpanda> Biovore : very odd, i cant seem to get into /net ... only goes as far as /drivers
[02:11] <wolferine> stdin, thanks for your assistance :)
[02:12] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: whats in drivers?
[02:12] <unlovedpanda> no idea ... i cant do dir ...
[02:12] <Biovore> try ls
[02:12] <unlovedpanda> k
[02:12] <BluesKaj> evening folks
[02:13] <Biovore> also I noticed you were talking out rm some kernel module..  you probably don't want to do that..
[02:13] <unlovedpanda> i do, cause it screws the install
[02:13] <Biovore> you on the live cd?
[02:13] <unlovedpanda> kubuntu alternate
[02:13] <saki_knin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kv4MfhIpVM&mode=related&search=
[02:13] <Biovore> I don't know if you can remove it from there.. the cd is read-only
[02:14] <stdin> saki_knin: ??
[02:14] <unlovedpanda> about to find out :p
[02:14] <saki_knin> i just wach it. gret video
[02:14] <stdin> !offtopic | saki_knin
[02:14] <ubotu> saki_knin: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:15] <saki_knin> ok
[02:15] <stdin> saki_knin: that's nothing to do with kubuntu support
[02:15] <saki_knin> you dont know :)
[02:16] <saki_knin> soe day
[02:16] <stdin> who doesn't know what?
[02:16] <saki_knin> this video
[02:16] <unlovedpanda> Biovore : is rm /net/8139too.ko from /drivers the same as rm 8139too.ko?
[02:17] <stdin> saki_knin: it's nothing to do with kubuntu ot kubuntu support, take it elsewhere
[02:17] <saki_knin> ok
[02:17] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: probably..
[02:18] <saylar> i can't believe that everything is working like i wanted
[02:18] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: you can use rmmod 8139too.ko to remove the module from the kernel after it gets loaded.
[02:18] <saylar> now setting up a backup system is the next issue. any suggestions?
[02:18] <stdin> Biovore, unlovedpanda: rmmod 8139too, not 8139too.ko
[02:19] <Biovore> yeah thats it..
[02:19] <stdin> !backup | saylar
[02:19] <ubotu> saylar: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[02:19] <saylar> oh, thx stdin :)
[02:19] <ryan_> speaking of backup is there a way to image your current setup kinda like making restore cd/dvd's
[02:19] <ryan_> ?
[02:19] <ryan_> in Kubuntu
[02:19] <stdin> ryan_: see the same links above
[02:20] <ryan_> k
[02:20] <Biovore> ryan_: well basicly you could tar up your hole harddisk..
[02:20] <Xera^> Create new database: Documentation
[02:20] <Xera^> No Privileges
[02:20] <Xera^> MySQL is broken
[02:20] <Xera^> D:
[02:20] <Xera^> I'm logged in as root
[02:20] <Xera^> :|
[02:20] <Biovore> it works here..
[02:21] <Biovore> mysql -u root -p ?
[02:21] <stdin> Xera^: looked at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP#head-39085275bc28194cca77d021ec362ff3003b10bc ?
[02:21] <unlovedpanda> stdin : with rmmod can i add a dir prefix to the filename? rmmod /net/8139too for example?
[02:21] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: no directory..  the module name is done via a module map..
[02:21] <ryan_> is there quite a few in here on laptops or mostly desktops? Seems like linux on the desktop is always easy to setup and a pain on the portables
[02:21] <stdin> unlovedpanda: no, you don't need to do that (it wouldn't work anyway)
[02:22] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: when you say 8139too  it know what your talking about..
[02:22] <Xera^> stdin: it worked before trying that mysql root reset thing..
[02:22] <unlovedpanda> but the dir isnt create until the module is extracted ... but then i have about 2 seconds to type rmmod 8139too before the install crashes
[02:22] <unlovedpanda> ill try
[02:24] <jhutchins> unlovedpanda: Somehow I think you might be going after the wrong thing to fix your problem.
[02:24] <unlovedpanda> stdin Biovore : i cant use rmmod cause im in the install console and it doesnt exist
[02:24] <jhutchins> unlovedpanda: What are you actually trying to do?
[02:24] <Biovore> yeah, the install cd isn't a full linux setup..
[02:25] <unlovedpanda> (jhutchins : install onto my twinhead h12y laptop
[02:25] <jhutchins> unlovedpanda: Are you using the alternative CD?
[02:26] <stdin> why do you need to rmmod on the install ?
[02:27] <Biovore> unlovedpanda: you have a realtek nic?
[02:27] <unlovedpanda> jhutchins : yes
[02:27] <unlovedpanda> i have an intel wireless card
[02:27] <Biovore> ^ I think the module is locking up the installer on his computer..
[02:27] <unlovedpanda> yes it is
[02:27] <Biovore> 3945?
[02:27] <unlovedpanda> yes
[02:27] <Biovore> works fine here..
[02:27] <Biovore> I have the same one
[02:27] <unlovedpanda> well it lock mine up
[02:27] <stdin> well the 8139too module is for realtek ethernet
[02:27] <Biovore> 8139too is for realtek nics..
[02:27] <unlovedpanda> this is a known problem
[02:27] <stdin> not wireless
[02:28] <unlovedpanda> =/ ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=515574
[02:28] <jhutchins> unlovedpanda: Is there a way you can tell it not to set up networking?
[02:28] <xsacha> on alternate cd, use:  brokenmodules=8139too    straight away and install should be fine
[02:28] <unlovedpanda> it hangs on detecting network hardware
[02:29] <unlovedpanda> xsacha : will try now, thanks :)
[02:29] <stdin> unlovedpanda: what does making a custom liveCD have to do with what you're doing?
[02:29] <miles> xlwE
[02:29] <miles> hey guys i am depressed!
[02:29] <unlovedpanda> (stdin : sry, wrong url
[02:29] <miles> i mean, i am just really depressed here!
[02:29] <jhutchins> xsacha: Wonderful!
[02:29] <unlovedpanda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=287939&page=2
[02:29] <jhutchins> xsacha: That's like a kernel boot parameter?
[02:30] <xsacha> no
[02:30] <jhutchins> unlovedpanda: Paying attention?
[02:30] <Biovore> yup.. the installer will detect it though..
[02:30] <unlovedpanda> a philips x56 == twinhead h12y
[02:30] <jhutchins> xsacha: Where then?"
[02:30] <miles> i mean, i am jus so depressed!
[02:30] <unlovedpanda> jhutchins : yes
[02:30] <xsacha> o sorry, yes*
[02:30] <stdin> miles: talk about that in #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:31] <unlovedpanda> xsacha : do i just add that in the boot options?
[02:31] <miles> :(
[02:31] <xsacha> yeah
[02:32] <stoned> ~hi
[02:32] <stoned> ~I am installin... wtf is with this tilde
[02:32] <stoned> I am installing kubuntu64 now.  is there a way to edit the menu.lst before I reboot because I want to take the bootsplash kernel param out
[02:33] <stdin> stoned: the tribes are gutsy alphas
[02:33] <stdin> stoned: mount the root partition and edit it
[02:33] <stoned> I friggin hate that bootsplash
[02:33] <stoned> in fact, I want a ramdisk without a bootsplash
[02:33] <ryan_> so i installed the restricted formats through add/remove software yet Amarok still wont play mp3's
[02:33] <ryan_> says no mp3 support
[02:33] <xsacha> unlovedpanda: might be interested in this post: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showpost.php?s=8773253bef8e9b04a200238653cdb863&p=2745519&postcount=23
[02:34] <unlovedpanda> xsacha : it still froze on Detecting network hardware ...
[02:34] <Biovore> !mp3
[02:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:34] <stdin> ryan_: feisty: libxine1-ffmpeg, edgy/dapper: libxine-extracodecs
[02:34] <ryan_> I already have my cd's archived to mp3 so im not converting them... Rythmbox played them fine under Feisty.
[02:34] <ryan_> stdin is that a command i run?
[02:35] <BluesKaj> ryan_: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:35] <ryan_> thx
[02:35] <stdin> ryan_: no, those are the packages you need
[02:35] <xsacha> unlovedpanda: also this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-376391.html
[02:35] <jhutchins> ryan_: If you still have that problem, rm ~/.xine
[02:36] <ryan_> why didn't they make it like Gnome where if you try to open it tells you whats going on and gives you options.. Just kinda weird
[02:36] <ryan_> do i need to logout or reboot after those codecs install ?
[02:36] <stdin> ryan_: amarok is supposed to do that
[02:36] <xsacha> unlovedpanda: "I managed to install Kubuntu by blacklisting, forcing and text installing. Then I spend a few more hours trying to get the WIFI to work...and suddenly it started working."
[02:37] <stdin> ryan_: just restart the application after
[02:37] <DaSkreech> ryan_: Just restart the app
[02:37] <unlovedpanda> xsacha : thanks for the links
[02:38] <ryan_> k thanks. Yes that fixed it. Just wish they would have made that a little easier. I new that the desktop would be different between Kubuntu and Ubuntu but it seems like different os's. Everything is different.
[02:40] <arriesp> is there anyone who uses btqueue?
[02:40] <arriesp> i need to import files from ktorrent
[02:40] <xsacha> ryan_: just a few programs :P
[02:41] <ryan_> wow, i guess im just having transition woes. I go to add/remove programs it bounces up and down etc. Then just goes away. Doesn't even open up
[02:41] <ryan_> next time around it will work etc.
[02:41] <jcs7778> is there a quick terminal command that will list all the partitions on my hard disk?
[02:42] <jhutchins> ryan_: Fun.  Another reason to stick with aptitude instead of the gui.
[02:42] <stdin> jcs7778: sudo fdisk -l
[02:42] <jcs7778> thanks
[02:43] <xsacha> is it normal to have 2 partitions start and end at the same place?
[02:43] <xsacha> /dev/hdb2            9448        9729     2265165    5  Extended              /dev/hdb5            9448        9729     2265133+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[02:43] <ryan_> Well just seemed like after installing Ubuntu so many times I had it down pat "getting restricted codecs,software,etc, " and in Kubuntu it seemed "actually it did" take hours
[02:43] <stdin> xsacha: they aren't 2 normal partitions
[02:43] <stdin> xsacha: one is an extended one
[02:43] <stdin> xsacha: the swap is a logical one
[02:44] <xsacha> so it's normal for them to have the same Start and End?
[02:44] <jcs7778> stdin fdisk -l only seems to list the partitions on my external disk and not on my local disk
[02:44] <stdin> xsacha: yes, because the swap is _inside_ the extended one
[02:44] <xsacha> ok
[02:44] <stdin> jcs7778: that with sudo ?
[02:45] <raylu> how do i recursively rm all files named index.html in a directory?
[02:45] <jcs7778> no it wasn't but that worked thanks
[02:45] <xsacha> jcs7778: it should only show partitions that are in /proc/partitions
[02:45] <xsacha> oh, no sudo
[02:45] <raylu> i wget -R-ed some stuff and it copied a bunch of index.htmls that i don't need
[02:45] <stdin> raylu: find /path/to/dir -type f -name "index.html" -exec rm {} \;
[02:45] <raylu> o.0, thanks
[02:46] <adenicio> hi my mount partition is not staying mounted.everytime i restart the pc i have to remount it
[02:46] <stdin> adenicio: you need to add it to /etc/fstab
[02:46] <raylu> can you explain what the {} \; did?
[02:46] <stdin> raylu: yes...
[02:47] <ryan_> after you gave me that command now Kaffiene does play the movies, music etc.. lol. I didn't have to install vlc / mpplayer. Although i did want them
[02:47] <stdin> raylu: "{}" is replaced with the file it found and \; means "end of command"
[02:47] <xsacha> well find prints out the file (and directory) or something it finds.. so thats what would go into {}
[02:48] <raylu> what would happen if i didn't use \;?
[02:48] <adenicio> stdin: its allready in the fstab,the name of the partition with ntfs 3g
[02:48] <raylu> and why in the world is it {}? isn't it usually $0 or something?
[02:48] <stdin> raylu: bash would interpreter it as a command separator  and would fail
[02:48] <stdin> raylu: {} is specific to find
[02:49] <stdin> adenicio: did you add "auto" to the options ?
[02:49] <raylu> i see; well thanks. that saved me a bit of itme
[02:49] <stdin> raylu: when you are bored and have time :p take a look at "man find" it's quite powerful
[02:50] <raylu> which also means it's quite long :P
[02:50] <adenicio> stdin: i find the prob the option enable at start up wasnt actvite lol
[02:50] <raylu> i've tried to use locate whenever possible. i also was trying to use ls to gete something to pipe to rm
[02:50] <xsacha> grep, cut, head and such are all cool too
[02:50] <inaety> hello when i try to start various programs in kde i get this error "Could not find mime type 'application/octet-stream'"
[02:50] <raylu> i haven't found a use for head yet
[02:50] <xsacha> glxinfo | head -n3
[02:51] <stdin> raylu: xargs can do that, can be more advanced tho
[02:51] <raylu> glxinfo...heh.
[02:51] <xsacha> hitmanWilly: wrong type of head
[02:51] <stdin> xsacha: you know you don't need the "n" "head -3" works too
[02:51] <xsacha> stdin: cool :)
[02:52] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, google double entendre :)
[02:52] <xsacha> i know
[02:53] <xsacha> stdin: why doesnt it mention that stuff in man :P
[02:53] <evri2> can someone help ? http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3085754.0
[02:53] <stdin> xsacha: who knows :p
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> evri2, the reconfigure cmd would be sudo dpkg-reconfigure kubuntu-desktop
[02:54] <hitmanWilly> tho i can't remember if that will reconfig everything it depends on
[02:54] <xsacha>  /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kubuntu-desktop is not installed
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, ?
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, unless you don't have kubuntu-desktop installed
[02:56] <setkeh> xsacha: are you useing ubuntu or definatly kubuntu
[02:56] <adenicio> stdin: when i go in sys settings in some option they askin me to be admin to enter a passw to config all the time cant i deactivat it?
[02:56] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, which i wouldn't blame you for :)
[02:56] <xsacha> definitely kubuntu, but yeah kubuntu-desktop is uninstalled
[02:56] <xsacha> probably some conflict?
[02:56] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, did you pull parts of the initial install out?
[02:56] <xsacha> not that i know of
[02:56] <stdin> adenicio: you can't really
[02:57] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, try installing it, see what (if any) errors it pulls
[02:57] <adenicio> stdin: its anoying
[02:57] <xsacha> ARGH!
[02:57] <stdin> adenicio: it's a security feature
[02:58] <xsacha> The following NEW packages will be installed:  dolphin gdebi-core gdebi-kde kdebluetooth kio-umountwrapper kmplayer-base  kmplayer-konq-plugins kubuntu-desktop language-selector-qt  restricted-manager-core restricted-manager-kde strigi-plugins
[02:58] <xsacha> dolphin?
[02:58] <stdin> xsacha: ohh, you're on gutsy?
[02:58] <xsacha> yeah
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, since when is dolphin a dep of kde?
[02:58] <xsacha> no idea.. i thought thats kde4
[02:58] <blaize> hello what is the program I need to download in order to  use windows programs on kubuntu?
[02:58] <xsacha> im using kde3
[02:58] <stdin> xsacha: well dolphin is going to be the default for kde4, so we're getting people used to it
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, it may be a gutsy thing vice a kde thing
[02:59] <xsacha> oh ok, so that's a recent change? dolphin introduced into gutsy kde3?
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> stdin, it won't be on my system :)
[02:59] <stdin> xsacha: there's a debate on as to whether to make it default file manager in gutsy
[02:59] <raylu> lol hitmanWilly
[02:59] <raylu> i read that and thought your system didn't havce stdin
[02:59] <raylu> *have
[02:59] <xsacha> lol
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> raylu, that would suck
[02:59] <raylu> ^^
[03:00] <setkeh> blaize:  you WINE mate :D
[03:00] <raylu> blaize, what program do you want to use? there's probably an alternative
[03:00] <blaize> raylu: I am really just wanting to have it ready if i ever do need it
[03:00] <blaize> setkeh, where would I get this program?
[03:01] <raylu> !wine
[03:01] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:01] <inaety> hello when i try to start various programs in kde i get this error "Could not find mime type 'application/octet-stream'"
[03:01] <raylu> the repositories have it, blaize
[03:01] <ryan_> is there any distros that include proprietary drivers/codecs etc??
[03:01] <raylu> ryan_, for what?
[03:01] <hitmanWilly> ryan_, vector does, as well as sabayon, IIRC
[03:02] <setkeh> blaize:  i would google "wine for linux" :D
[03:02] <stdin> ryan_: there is "ubuntu mint", but it's legality is questionable in some places
[03:02] <NickPresta> stdin, what are the plans for Dolphin? Replaces Konqueror as a file manager but will Konqueror still be default for browser?
[03:02] <ryan_> hmmm haent heard of that
[03:02] <xsacha> yes
[03:03] <hitmanWilly> doesn't that destroy the whole point of konq, tho?
[03:03] <xsacha> although my konqueror is screwed since last weeks GTK update. now whenever i view a website that has flash, it freezes. it was just since a silly GTK update
[03:03] <setkeh> Konqueror isent that great i would still prefer fire fox lol
[03:03] <raylu> changing the default browser from konq will anger some people
[03:03] <stdin> NickPresta: dolphin will be the default file manager, konqueror will still be the default web browser (and can be made to be the default file manager if the user wishes)
[03:03] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, I just installed Dolphin and it appears to be a fairly simple but easily customizable file manager.
[03:03] <raylu> but really, who cares what's default?
[03:03] <hitmanWilly> stdin, heh, use krusader over here
[03:03] <raylu> that's for macs :P
[03:04] <setkeh> lol
[03:04] <setkeh> all firefox here XD
[03:04] <xsacha> any idea when flash on konqueror will be fixed? another gtk update or something?
[03:04] <xsacha> for gutsy
[03:05] <hitmanWilly> NickPresta, i've got no problem with dolphin as a file manager, i just think folks are going to be upset when they lose that IE like integration
[03:05] <stdin> gtk?
[03:05] <ryan_> yea i dont think konqueror is as good as firefox.
[03:05] <NickPresta> setkeh, what do you mean Konqueror isn't that great? Superior CSS support and has the some nice built in features (KonqiJS, etc).
[03:05] <NickPresta> The only thing, I believe, Firefox has over Konqueror is it's vast collection of Extensions
[03:05] <setkeh> xsacha:  you probably better off useing ff
[03:05] <xsacha> i have been
[03:05] <raylu> NickPresta, extend that argument a bit further and we might find ourselves using JScript :P
[03:05] <ryan_> seems really plain. I really like how firefox has a bookmark bar that goes across the top for your favorite bk marks
[03:06] <setkeh> NickPresta:  i use firefox for alll that and if you know CSS you shouldent need all that much support lol
[03:06] <hitmanWilly> ryan_, konq has that too, btw
[03:06] <xsacha> and konq has mouse gestures.. found that out just recently
[03:07] <raylu> setkeh, he means it handles CSS more "correct"ly
[03:07] <hitmanWilly> like ive said before, i've yet to find a web browser that doesn't suck, just konq seems to suck the least right now...
[03:07] <NickPresta> setkeh, I am speaking of things like CSS3, which means I don't need to use hacks or superfluous HTML
[03:07] <raylu> hitmanWilly, what have you tried?
[03:07] <setkeh> so does opera and it really anoying lol
[03:07] <xsacha> yeah konqueror CSS tables acid test = 100% pass.. no other browser comes close. opera says it will be 100% soon
[03:07] <xsacha> or is it 100% now?
[03:07] <NickPresta> xsacha, the acid test doesn't really prove you have good support, it proves that you handle errors well.
[03:07] <raylu> does google still tell you to stop using opera when you use gmail?
[03:07] <hitmanWilly> raylu, FF, opera, konq, galeon, dillo, w3m, lynks, elinks, links, links2, etc...
[03:08] <raylu> hitmanWilly, oh...heh :P
[03:08] <nikosapi> how come when I open a gtk app remotely via ssh it uses a different style than when I open it locally?
[03:08] <setkeh> NickPresta:  it can be done in other browsers konq isent the only one lol i can do it all in ff
[03:08] <hitmanWilly> raylu, i do know what im talking about most of the time
[03:08] <hitmanWilly> :)
[03:08] <NickPresta> setkeh, what are you talking about? How can you use CSS3 that isn't supported in Firefox?
[03:08] <NickPresta> setkeh, xsacha, http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html
[03:09] <xsacha> thats 100% on konqueror?
[03:09] <blaize> is there a linux version of aim?
[03:09] <setkeh> there is an extention that lets firfox handle it
[03:09] <stdin> inaety: in konqueror > settings > configure konqueror > file associations > application (expand that), if there isn't one called "octet-stream" click add (in the bottom left area), select group: application, and type name: octet-stream
[03:09] <xsacha> Firefox: From the 43 selectors 26 have passed, 10 are buggy and 7 are unsupported (Passed 357 out of 578 tests)
[03:09] <raylu> blaize, kopete, gaim, pidgin
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> blaize: actually yes, but its so outdated as to be terrible
[03:10] <xsacha> Konqueror: From the 43 selectors 43 have passed, 0 are buggy and 0 are unsupported (Passed 578 out of 578 tests)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> its better to use gaim/pidgin
[03:10] <blaize> will I be able to talk to people using aim?
[03:10] <hitmanWilly> blaize, yup
[03:11] <hitmanWilly> blaize, and yahoo, jabber, even IRC all from the same client
[03:11] <inaety> thanks stdin but it looks i found another fix
[03:11] <stdin> inaety: removing the .desktop file?
[03:11] <xsacha> blaize: if you're using kubuntu though, might want Kopete (comes already installed)
[03:11] <inaety> stdin: yeah
[03:12] <inaety> stdin: i made a backup don't worry :P
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> blaize, in fact, it even supports msn
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> tho why you'd want that is beyond me :)
[03:12] <ryan_> is gnome or kde updated more then the other at all ?
[03:12] <stdin> inaety: well, if another application makes that file again, the way I said would be a more permanent fix. but if it works great :)
[03:12] <xsacha> kopete supports: AIM, Gadu-Gadu, GroupWise, ICQ, IRC, Jabber, Meanwhile, MSN, Testbed, WinPopup and Yahoo
[03:13] <stdin> ryan_: kde is updated more often than gnome
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> there ya go :)
[03:13] <inaety> stdin: i have one of those in my konqueror file associations anyways
[03:13] <xsacha> stdin: gnome has more developers than kde?
[03:13] <wolferine> which folder would I add a bash script into, which would load on boot?
[03:13] <inaety> stdin: it came up when i did pretty much anything like open ktorrent konversation etcetc
[03:13] <wolferine> /etc/init.d ?
[03:14] <stdin> xsacha: doubt it
[03:14] <NickPresta> wolferine, you can put it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[03:14] <ryan_> im finally getting used to KDE lol. It's definately gona take some time though. One thing I do like is there lots of options for almost everything which seems like it makes it more customizable
[03:15] <wolferine> NickPresta, im using Gnome, so that wouldnt work :)
[03:15] <xsacha> ryan_: thats what most people seem to hate
[03:15] <stdin> wolferine: it'd be easier to add the commands to /etc/rc.local or you'll have to mess with links
[03:15] <hitmanWilly> ryan_, kde is vastly more customizable than gnome
[03:15] <xsacha> ryan_: most people that use gnome
[03:15] <ryan_> xsacha your on Gnome ?
[03:15] <wolferine> stdin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=111225
[03:15] <xsacha> kde
[03:15] <ryan_> ah k
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> ryan_, the price you pay for it is that it sucks up more resources and has a somewhat steeper learning curve
[03:16] <ryan_> yea that I have noticed for sure
[03:17] <stdin> wolferine: ignore them, they know not of which they speak :p just put "rmmod quickcam" and "modprobe quickcam" in /etc/rc.local
[03:17] <arriesp> is there anyone who uses btqueue?
[03:17] <ryan_> I got it all setup the way I like it... I'm just dreading when I have to do it again. It took all day lol
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> stdin, heh, nice hack that...
[03:18] <Templar> does anyone here know how i could run a program as part of my backgroung so that i cud have info from the web or a live webcam feed in my background
[03:18] <Templar> without the window controls and frame of possible
[03:19] <stdin> Templar: right click the desktop > configure desktop > advanced options
[03:19] <xsacha> hitmanWilly: i dont get the complaints about kde being a memory hog. i have 768mb ram here and it's only using 180MB, the rest is cached and buffers
[03:19] <xsacha> is 180 a lot?
[03:19] <stdin> Templar: lets you load web pages as backgrounds
[03:19] <Templar> on gnome
[03:19] <xsacha> k
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, its all relative, xfce uses less than half of that
[03:19] <wolferine> stdin, can I concat sudo to the front of those?
[03:19] <Templar> or is that just for kde
[03:19] <wolferine> stdin, and it will work :)
[03:19] <stdin> Templar: kde (i don't know if gnome can do it)
[03:20] <stdin> wolferine: you don't need sudo in them, it's already ran as root
[03:20] <wolferine> k
[03:20] <stoned> hi
[03:20] <NickPresta> xsacha, hitmanWilly, Indeed it is relative. If you have 2GB of RAM like I do, it makes little difference if my WM uses 180MB of RAM or if it uses 85MB of RAM. At least for normal desktop use :)
[03:20] <NickPresta> !hi | stoned
[03:20] <ubotu> stoned: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:20] <xsacha> NickPresta: but dont most people have atleast 256MB of RAM that want to use KDE?
[03:21] <wolferine> hmm
[03:21] <wolferine> those commands mess up my webcam :/
[03:21] <Templar> so u cud effectively make ur own webpage with info u want for ur background
[03:21] <NickPresta> xsacha, I used KDE on my old Laptop for a couple years with only 256MB of RAM and it run smoothly most of the time. I wouldn't attempt to use KDE (unless you turn off extra features) with less than 256 of RAM
[03:21] <hitmanWilly> NickPresta, agreed, same deal here, i just use other WM's for how they look/act not really for resource usage
[03:21] <stoned> I  have installed kubuntu but I am still in the live cd, I have not yet rebooted.  Is it possible to remove the kernel parameter of ... hi ubotu..., bootsplash.  I know I can do it on the reboot/grub command line, but I want to do it now
[03:22] <xsacha> 256MB isnt that much of an ask is it? :P
[03:22] <stdin> stoned: I told you, mount the root partition and edit the menu.lst file
[03:22] <stoned> oh you did
[03:23] <hitmanWilly> NickPresta, however, beryl/compiz/whatever_the_name_is_this_week tends to push that evelope, tho :)
[03:23] <stoned> brb from kubuntu amd74
[03:23] <stoned> 63
[03:23] <stoned> 64
[03:23] <xsacha> this is what i get from top with kde3.5.7: http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6382/topic4.png
[03:23] <stoned> hey is 3.5.7 stable/available for kubuntu now?
[03:23] <blaize> ok so i'm trying to install wine i've enabled the universe repository and i still can't find hte wine package any advice
[03:24] <blaize> eh nevermind I forgot ot hit apply *embarrassed face*
[03:24] <NickPresta> stoned, KDE 3.5.7 has been available for kubuntu for a while now
[03:24] <julius> Hey all, are there any easy front ends to grab themes?
[03:24] <julius> ive downloaded about 100mb of lib's and i still cant compile any themes
[03:24] <julius> lol
[03:24] <wolferine> stdin, looks like I have to do the driver install after each rmmod quickcam, going to try and just do the modprobe quickcam, and see if it works
[03:25] <NickPresta> julius, themes for what?
[03:25] <xsacha> julius: what themes exactly?
[03:25] <stdin> julius: if you need to compile KDE themes you'll need the kde-devel pacakge
[03:25] <julius> Themes for KDE
[03:25] <julius> like Qtcurves
[03:26] <xsacha> hmm? i just load em up in kcontrol?
[03:26] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, some of the crazier ones require a full compile of the window decorators, widget sets, etc.
[03:26] <xsacha> oh ok, makes it faster?
[03:26] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, makes it possible :)
[03:27] <stdin> xsacha: no, just makes it work :p
[03:27] <xsacha> okies
[03:27] <xsacha> must look pretty good then
[03:27] <stdin> xsacha: they are distributed in source code
[03:27] <fester> How do I get Kubuntu to make /opt/* writable so I can install a program?
[03:28] <stdin> !sudo | fester
[03:28] <ubotu> fester: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> fester, what are you trying to install?
[03:28] <blaize> ok i'm very new to linux when I searched wine in the repositories I came up with 5 different results which do I install?
[03:28] <stdin> !kdesu
[03:28] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[03:28] <julius> stdin: precisely. Are there any frontends to grab em for me?
[03:28] <stdin> blaize: the one that is called "wine"
[03:28] <fester> I'm trying to install Medusa4, a CAD program.
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> !find medusa
[03:28] <ubotu> Found: medusa, python-medusa, python-medusa-doc
[03:28] <setkeh> "From the 43 selectors 26 have passed, 10 are buggy and 7 are unsupported" according to this FF is as compatable as conq with css 3 same results
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> !info medusa
[03:29] <ubotu> medusa: fast, parallel, modular, login brute-forcer for network services. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3-1 (feisty), package size 110 kB, installed size 432 kB
[03:29] <blaize> stdin, so I don't do anything with wine-dev
[03:29] <xsacha> setkeh: Konqueror: From the 43 selectors 43 have passed, 0 are buggy and 0 are unsupported (Passed 578 out of 578 tests)
[03:29] <hitmanWilly> ok, not that one :)
[03:29] <xsacha> Firefox: Firefox: From the 43 selectors 26 have passed, 10 are buggy and 7 are unsupported (Passed 357 out of 578 tests)
[03:29] <stdin> blaize: not unless you want to compile applications that use wine (which I doubt you do :P )
[03:29] <blaize> stdin, thank you so much :-D
[03:30] <stdin> julius: I don't think so, maybe kcontrol has it but not system settings
[03:30] <setkeh> xsacha:  i got that lin for both of the browsers
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> fester, just install with sudo/kdesu...
[03:30] <fester> Meusa is trying to install itself into /opt/medusa4_personal_210, but the system won't let it.
[03:30] <NickPresta> setkeh, you must be using an older version of KDE then.
[03:30] <xsacha> setkeh: i got 43/43 for konqueror
[03:30] <xsacha> using kde and konqueror version 3.5.7
[03:31] <hitmanWilly> fester, is it a gui installer or a text mode?
[03:31] <fester> gui.
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> fester, ok, kdesu <name_of_install_program> in a konsole
[03:32] <hitmanWilly> fester, that will make the whole file system writable for the install program
[03:33] <xsacha> setkeh: here, a screenshot: http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2408/konqhn0.png
[03:33] <NickPresta> julius, thanks for mentioned qtcurve. I just installed it and it looks great ;)
[03:36] <fester> I just ran kdesu medusa4_.... in a root on Konsole and got "cannot connect to X server"
[03:36] <stdin> fester: not in a root terminal
[03:36] <julius> Nickpresta: How come its so easy!!!!
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> what is medusa 4?
[03:36] <julius> ive downloaded now 120mb of packages
[03:37] <julius> is there a trick to getting dependencies for compiling?
[03:37] <NickPresta> julius, sudo apt-get install kde-style-qtcurve qtcurve-kde3
[03:37] <blaize> ok this is the first time i've used linux period so how do I load a program? ie wine
[03:37] <fester> Running Kdesu in a plain terminal gives "x-error, bad device"
[03:38] <xsacha> probably just the wacom device, ignore that
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> blaize: you run "sudo apt-get install <program name>"
[03:38] <xsacha> should prompt for password.. no?
[03:38] <fester> nosrednaekim: Medusa 4 is a 2D/3D CAD program
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> blaize: or you can run a package manager like adept_manager to browse all the programs available
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> fester: free?
[03:38] <blaize> inoserednaekim, I've already installed it I just need to run it now
[03:38] <stdin> blaize: to run a windows application, open a terminal and do "wine file.exe" (where file.exe is the windows file), and take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine#head-3acca7686806077923c05fa38c442e856ffacc54
[03:39] <julius> NickPresta: where can i view all the precompiled themes?
[03:39] <fester> nosred: yep!
[03:39] <setkeh> NickPresta: im not useing KDE i have GNOME
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> fester: cool, is there a 64 bit version?
[03:40] <NickPresta> julius, apt-cache search kde-style-*
[03:40] <xsacha> NickPresta: E: Couldn't find package qtcurve-kde3
[03:40] <NickPresta> setkeh, then you probably don't have the latest version of KDE/Konqueror
[03:40] <julius> xsacha: worked for me
[03:40] <xsacha> :(
[03:40] <fester> nosred: dunno. Let's concentrate on getting ANY version to work and see if it's any good!
[03:40] <stdin> xsacha: apt-cache search kde-style
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> fester: and a link please?i've been looking all over for one of those.
[03:41] <xsacha> stdin: yeah ive got all the kde-styles
[03:41] <blaize> stdin, is there a way to run the program wine or is all its meant for is a prerequisite of running the file.exe
[03:41] <fester> nosred: I'll be back in a ferw minutes...
[03:41] <xsacha> there's this package that could be it?     qtcurve - This is a set of widget styles for KDE3 and Gtk2 based apps
[03:41] <stdin> xsacha: have universe enabled ?
[03:41] <xsacha> yes
[03:41] <NickPresta> xsacha, you probably don't have the repo. included in your sources.list
[03:41] <xsacha> which repo?
[03:42] <setkeh> NickPresta:  yeas i do i updated my system yesterday
[03:42] <xsacha> i have: http://pastebin.ca/655108
[03:42] <stdin> blaize: run "winefile" to get a file browser, then just double click the exe of the app
[03:43] <stdin> xsacha: and you don't see "kde-style-qtcurve" and "qtcurve" ?
[03:43] <xsacha> i see qtcurve.. not qtcurve-kde3
[03:43] <xsacha> same thing?
[03:43] <stdin> xsacha: yeah
[03:43] <xsacha> ok
[03:43] <fester> nosredaekim: MEDUSA4: http://www.cad-schroer.com/index.php?land=com&ziel=Products-M4Personal&scr=1.1
[03:44] <xsacha> blaize: try:    wine notepad
[03:44] <fester> Now, do we have a way to install it?
[03:44] <blaize> ok I figured it all out now how do I run mozilla firefox instead of konquerer
[03:45] <xsacha> blaize: want a shortcut to firefox on desktop?
[03:45] <blaize> xsacha, ya
[03:45] <xsacha> or in taskbar..
[03:45] <xsacha> is firefox installed?
[03:45] <blaize> xsacha, either one will be great
[03:46] <blaize> xsacha, it says mozilla-firefox local is installed
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> fester: I have no clue... whats the download look like.. a tar.gz?
[03:47] <ubuntu_> Hello
[03:47] <xsacha> well in taskbar, you can just press the up arrow next to your other application shortcuts and then Panel Menu -> Add Application to Panel -> Internet -> Firefox
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> hello
[03:48] <ubuntu_> sorry about my name
[03:48] <fester> nosrednaekim: medusa_4_210_personal_linux.tar.gz
[03:48] <xsacha> ubuntu_: /nick nameilikebetter
[03:48] <ubuntu_> How do I assign swap space?
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> fester: all I see are windows installation instructions
[03:48] <ubuntu_> I am inside the live CD
[03:48] <fester> nosrednaekim: You sign up with the company and they send you a personal key.
[03:48] <blaize> xsacha, firefox is not under internet
[03:48] <stdin> ubuntu_ make a new partition and choose swap as the format
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> fester: hmm ok. well, un zip that tar archive
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> lets see whats inside.
[03:49] <stdin> blaize: have you installed firefox yet?
[03:49] <fester> nosrednaekim: did you download the linux flavor?
[03:50] <blaize> stdin, it says under adept manager that i've installed hte mozilla-firefox local
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> fester: nah, I'm on dial-up... i'll have to wait fro tomorrow for my dad to go to work
[03:50] <fester> Including the key, I have 6 files.
[03:50] <stdin> blaize: no, install the package called "firefox"
[03:50] <blaize> I don't see one
[03:51] <xsacha> sudo apt-get install firefox? or just type in "firefox" in adept
[03:51] <stdin> blaize: put "firefox" in the search box
[03:51] <blaize> stdin, i see firefox-web devoloper
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> fester: what are the file name extensions?
[03:51] <blaize> I did that
[03:51] <stdin> blaize: what version of kubuntu do you have ?
[03:51] <stdin> "lsb_release -cs" to find out
[03:52] <blaize> stdin, 6.06 lts
[03:52] <setkeh> ubuntu_: heya dude
[03:52] <fester> nosrednaekim: .jar,  .tar.gz, and a shell script
[03:52] <stoned> hi
[03:52] <stoned> where is kde 3.5.7 for fiesty?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> fester: .jar.... thats java.... do you have a java run time enviorment installed?
[03:53] <joelm>  blaize: K Menu, Run Command, sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:53] <xsacha> stoned: it doesnt come with 3.5.7?
[03:53] <stdin> blaize: close adept first
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> !kde3.5.7 | stoned
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde3.5.7 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <fester> nosrednaekim: I'll check
[03:53] <xsacha> blaize: adept gives me this for Firefox: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/1607/firefoxob0.png
[03:53] <stdin> stoned: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[03:54] <blaize> it says Package Firefox is not available, but is referred to by another package
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> fester: is there a README or something in there? maybe within that tar.gz?
[03:54] <stdin> blaize: open adept again, then go to File > Manage Repositories
[03:55] <stdin> blaize: mane sure they are all selected
[03:56] <fester> nosrednaekim: There's a README file in English which basically describes the history of the file.
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> fester: hmmmm ok...no instructions what so ever?
[03:57] <stdin> blaize: when they are all selected (enabled) then click "fetch updates"
[03:57] <xsacha> no INSTALL file?
[03:57] <blaize> stdin, my adept is having some issues opening it starts to load then it stops
[03:57] <stdin> blaize: just try it again
[03:57] <fester> nosrednaekim: not that I've found so far. BTW: I now have Java. Try the .jar file?
[03:57] <dougl> is anyone using kubuntu with linux mce?
[03:58] <stoned> !w32codecs
[03:58] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> fester: yeah, i'm not sure how you start java things.
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> fester: maybe try double clicking on it in konqueror or something ;)
[03:58] <stdin> nosrednaekim: java -jar file.jar
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> fester: ^^
[03:59] <stdin> there should be some shell script to set the environment tho (at least there normally is)
[03:59] <stoned> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[03:59] <stoned> help
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> there is a shell script in there... fester said
[04:00] <stoned> I accidentally closed the terminal while configure xorg
[04:00] <fester> nosrednaekim: I'm going to try something...
[04:00] <stdin> stoned: sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> fester: ok..
[04:00] <ryan_> whats the best window decorater for Kubuntu?  XGL, Beryl etc..  or whatever there called. I was thinking of trying one
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: beryl!
[04:01] <NickPresta> !beryl
[04:01] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:01] <stoned> stdin: what does that do
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> ryan_: but do you have a ATI card? ATI cars are a pain with beryl
[04:01] <stdin> stoned: lets you kill the process that's locked the file
[04:01] <stoned> stdin: ahh, but ... ok
[04:01] <blaize> stdin, when I press request install it says BREAK
[04:01] <ryan_> intel integrated 950
[04:02] <stdin> ryan_: beryl will run great on that
[04:02] <ryan_> good deal. Ill checck it out. Thx
[04:02] <fester> nosrednaekim: Running the install program just told me the install directory is not writable.
[04:02] <complexity> I am trying to dump raw text to an lpt port.I have found away to do it, but I have to use sudo. I need this in a script to work while I am away from the computer.
[04:02] <stdin> blaize: close adept, open konsole and run "sudo apt-get install firefox" post all the happens to pastebin and then post the link
[04:03] <stdin> complexity: put it in the system crontab?
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> fester: is it graphical? if so, prefix it with kdesu, if not,prefix it with sudo.
[04:03] <complexity> lol...yes, but how to make it run without sudo? (ie - I need to input a password)
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> complexity: run the whole script as sudo...
[04:04] <Xera^> How do I make the middle mouse bring up that scroll thing when I click it in Firefox? :|
[04:04] <complexity> but I am not at the computer when it runs
[04:04] <Xera^> I've checked about:config
[04:04] <Xera^> but no luck
[04:04] <stdin> complexity: scripts/commands in the system crontab run as root
[04:04] <fester> nosrednakim: how do I preix a gui install program with kdesu?
[04:04] <stdin> fester: kdesu command
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> fester: how did you start the gui install program? from the command line?
[04:05] <blaize> stdin, how do I post to pastebin?
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[04:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:05] <complexity> hmmm...ok I will try tomorrow, but it didn't work the last time I tried, but it would work from the CLI
[04:05] <stdin> blaize: ^
[04:06] <complexity> I don't have it in front of me, but the command is cat file.txt > /dev/lp0 ( I think)
[04:06] <blaize> stdin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33527/
[04:07] <stdin> complexity: as long as it's run as root, it will work
[04:07] <complexity> ok will post back if not...Thanx!
[04:07] <stoned> hey
[04:07] <stoned> w32codecs can't be found
[04:07] <stdin> !w32codecs
[04:07] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[04:08] <stoned> even though I've selected the all option in seveas
[04:08] <stoned> deb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ feisty-seveas all
[04:08] <stoned> updated, and can't find w32codecs
[04:09] <stdin> stoned: you have run sudo apt-get update after?
[04:09] <stoned> i just said so yes
[04:10] <stdin> you can just download http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/feisty-seveas/extras/w32codecs_20061022-1~seveas1_i386.deb and run "sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20061022-1~seveas1_i386.deb"
[04:10] <stdin> blaize: post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin please
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> what does .nl stand for BTW? netherlands?
[04:10] <stoned> ohhh
[04:10] <stoned> nevermind
[04:10] <stoned> duh
[04:10] <blaize> stdin, sorry how do I do that?
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ever wish you could just ssh into these computers?
[04:11] <stoned> !w64codecs
[04:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w64codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:11] <stdin> nosrednaekim: yep :P
[04:11] <stoned> awe wtfudge
[04:11] <stoned> hey i am on amd64
[04:11] <stdin> stoned: not available on 64bit ...
[04:11] <stdin> blaize: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:11] <hitmanWilly> stoned, try vlc, i think it works under 64
[04:12] <hitmanWilly> stoned, and all its codecs are built in IIRC
[04:12] <xsacha> next version of konversation should have an "Open Wide" command. and then if someone uses it, you can press on their name and "Come Inside" and it'd open up a ssh link
[04:12] <manchicken__> stdin: No, there are win32codecs for amd64.
[04:12] <xsacha> that'd make life easier for stdin
[04:13] <fester> Anybody having any luck with Medusa4?
[04:13] <stdin> manchicken__: where ?
[04:13] <manchicken__> stdin: It's on the wiki.
[04:13] <manchicken__> I run them myself.
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> fester: I AM going to try it... gimme your email and i'll tell you if I get it working.
[04:13] <fester> nosrednaekim: fester@rucls.net
[04:13] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, yeah, ok, how about changing it to "Get hacked!!" :P
[04:14] <blaize> stdin, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33528/
[04:14] <xsacha> hitmanWilly: who'd use it then?      "hey i need help"       "press the 'get hacked' button please, then i'll help you"    "yeah right!"
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> xsacha: hitmanWilly: I still think its a good idea...
[04:15] <fester> nosrednaekim: While you're here... how do I get the KDE installed on my machne to display like KDE on my desktop, yes, KDE-desktop is installed.
[04:15] <xsacha> this would work:   "hey i need help"       "press the 'open wide' button please, then i'll help you"    "ok"          "fixed"
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> fester: what do you mean.. you are running gnome still?
[04:16] <manchicken__> stdin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64#head-54b678e0bfe810c13d7557a619007c42c97f67a7
[04:16] <fester> It sure looks like it. There's lots of Kprograms available, but the desktop still looks like Gnome.
[04:16] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, and then, what if they go over to 2600? "Press the Open Wide button for truly 1337 hax0r status!"
[04:16] <stdin> blaize: uncomment the 2nd and 4th line (remove the "#" from them) then save that and run "sudo apt-get update"
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> fester: on the login screen there should be a place to choose sessions from, clcik it and select kde
[04:16] <manchicken__> Not sure how much of a good idea that one is, I think I use use libxine-extracodecs
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, just sayin'...
[04:17] <xsacha> :)
[04:17] <stdin> stoned: look at the link from manchicken__
[04:17] <fester> nosrednaekim: There's no such screen. When I login it asks for my name and then my password. KDE is never an option.
[04:17] <manchicken__> stone: also, did you try reading this document and following it? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:17] <manchicken__> stoned: I think that's all I did.
[04:19] <fester> nosrednaekim: BTW: what is the standard KDE music file player?
[04:19] <hitmanWilly> ugh, kdelibs now compiling....
[04:19] <blaize> stdin, it says I don't have write access to it
[04:20] <NickPresta> fester, I think it is Kaffeine
[04:20] <stdin> blaize: you did open it with kdesu ?
[04:20] <manchicken__> stdin, stoned: Mind you I'm on 7.10 and not on 7.04.
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> fester, either amarok, or maybe juk...
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> fester: Amarok, and its somewhere on that login screen there is a button for before you enter your name and pasword
[04:20] <fester> nodrednakim: I'll try it. THANKS!
[04:21] <blaize> stdin, i opened it with kate
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> fester: I have to go... i'll get back to you about medusa
[04:21] <stdin> blaize: try it again, close kate, then reopen by pressing Alt-F2 and put in: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <blaize> stdin, I think i fixed it I went back into adept and checked and I missed 2 of the lines I was suppsed to enable and now it seems to be installing
[04:23] <stdin> blaize: ok
[04:23] <blaize> stdin, will it automatically catagorize it under internet?
[04:24] <stdin> blaize: yes
[04:24] <blaize> stdin, awesome thank you so much for your help
[04:24] <stdin> blaize: no problem :)
[04:25] <xsacha> why isnt universe enabled by default in buntu anyway?
[04:26] <stdin> xsacha: it is in feisty+
[04:26] <hydrogen> can the installer resize ntfs partitions?
[04:26] <xsacha> ok
[04:27] <stdin> xsacha: and the reason it wasn't because "software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu team"
[04:27] <stoned> stdin: medibuntu
[04:27] <stoned> stdin: w64codecs
[04:27] <gehzumteufel> hello all
[04:27] <gehzumteufel> i have a n00b question
[04:27] <Jmanfoo> anyone here have a broadcom wifi card under (k)ubuntu?
[04:27] <gehzumteufel> is it possible to use a burner located on a windows machine as a burner on my local machine
[04:28] <gehzumteufel> over the network
[04:28] <NickPresta> hydrogen, yes, you can resize your windows partition.
[04:29] <stdin> gehzumteufel: probably not
[04:29] <gehzumteufel> arg
[04:29] <hydrogen> NickPresta: well, I'm attempting it and its telling me that an error occured while writing the changes and that it has aborted the operation
[04:29] <stdin> gehzumteufel: I think it's possible for linux to linux, but not with windows
[04:29] <Jmanfoo> gehzumteufel, i can't think of any way to do that in windows, you should put linux on that machine :-p
[04:30] <gehzumteufel> Jmanfoo: haha i almost convinced my buddy to do it....but he has a radeon. :(
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> stdin, why not samba with rw access?
[04:30] <wolferine> my webcam has a mic, can should I be able to view it in my 'volume control' as a device?
[04:30] <stdin> hitmanWilly: to burn a CD?
[04:30] <Jmanfoo> what's wrong with a radeon? i've used radeon's under fedora core with no problems, i dont imagine ubuntu would be any different
[04:30] <gehzumteufel> stdin: yeah i have found stuff about how to do *nix to *nix but yeah not with windows
[04:31] <gehzumteufel> Jmanfoo: 9800pro drivers SUCK.
[04:31] <gehzumteufel> ive been looking at a lot of stuff about it
[04:31] <gehzumteufel> he plays games
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> stdin, ok, nm :P i was thinking for reading
[04:32] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: yeah i want to use the dvd burner on a windows box on my linux box (my laptop im on now)
[04:32] <Jmanfoo> gehzeumteufel: that's what dual-boot is for
[04:33] <gehzumteufel> Jmanfoo: lol not when you got a 40gb hd
[04:33] <hydrogen> trying this another way... in the installer partitioner section... if the option is to resize a partition and use free'd space, with a slider to choose the "New Partition Size".. is it referring to the size of the partition I am resizing or the size of the partition it will create in that free'd space?
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, well, you could make an iso out of it, and transfer it to a shared folder, then burn from windows
[04:33] <Jmanfoo> i'm gonna try cutting the windows drivers for my broadcom card, since the ones fwcutter downloaded for me seem to suck
[04:33] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: im very aware of that. i currently do something similar but i want to directly access the burner from here
[04:34] <wolferine> my webcam has a mic, can should I be able to view it in my 'volume control' as a device?
[04:34] <gehzumteufel> anyone got any wifi cards they recommend?
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, ok, well, you may be SOL on that then
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, anything with an intel chipset
[04:34] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: yeah
[04:34] <gehzumteufel> anything else?
[04:34] <gehzumteufel> i already knew about the intel ones
[04:35] <gehzumteufel> was trying to save money
[04:35] <networkgamer> intel what?
[04:35] <gehzumteufel> this damn pos netgear based of marvell chipset sucks
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, not off the top of my head, but intel ones seem to work flwlessly
[04:35] <gehzumteufel> networkgamer: wifi cards
[04:35] <networkgamer> oh
[04:35] <networkgamer> do they downclock when under serious heat?
[04:35] <gehzumteufel> the intel or the netgear?
[04:35] <networkgamer> intel
[04:35] <gehzumteufel> haha only if they have a cpu on them
[04:35] <gehzumteufel> most dont
[04:35] <networkgamer> yeah
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, i think it has to do with the fact that they seem to act more or less like a standard ethernet card
[04:36] <gehzumteufel> the cpu managed ones are like $200
[04:36] <networkgamer> meh
[04:36] <networkgamer> i can say im proud of myself today
[04:36] <gehzumteufel> i would LOVE to have the cpu managed ones
[04:36] <ryan_> when 7.10 comes out will be able to run software update or will we have to download the cd and install/update like that?
[04:36] <networkgamer> apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:37] <wolferine> alsamixer only shows my sound card 'sound' settings, how can I change my webcam ones?
[04:37] <networkgamer> idk
[04:37] <networkgamer> i only use basic linux
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, got me...
[04:37] <hydrogen> trying this another way... in the installer partitioner section... if the option is to resize a partition and use freed space, with a slider to choose the "New Partition Size".. is it referring to the size of the partition I am resizing or the size of the partition it will create in that freed space?
[04:37] <networkgamer> i havnt even touched media playback yet
[04:37] <wolferine> hey hitmanWilly  :)
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> howdy
[04:40] <gehzumteufel> but i aint spending $200 on a card that is based off old technology that is already being replaced
[04:40] <gehzumteufel> anyone know when 802.11n goes final?
[04:40] <gehzumteufel> im tired of waiting for it
[04:41] <angasule> !forwarding
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about forwarding - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <angasule> !NAT
[04:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:41] <stdin> look on google/wikipedia, the collective knowledge of the human race is there
[04:41] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: just before 802.11s goes final
[04:41] <angasule> !anything
[04:41] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[04:41] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: jokes :P
[04:41] <angasule> :P
[04:41] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: lol
[04:42] <angasule> silly bot
[04:42] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: they are taking a long ass time to finalize it!
[04:43] <angasule> I have a problem (why else would I be here), I have a laptop that is connected through the serial port to my desktop, my desktop is running feisty, and is connected to my router which leads to the internet, I want my desktop to forward the laptop's traffic to the router so the laptop can connect to the internet
[04:43] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: 802.11n Release Date September 2008
[04:43] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: finally!
[04:43] <xsacha> Data Rate 74 Mbit/s Range ~70 metres indoor
[04:43] <stdin> angasule: I think guarddog can do that, and I know firestarter can
[04:44] <gehzumteufel> yeah
[04:44] <gehzumteufel> good datea rates
[04:44] <gehzumteufel> but data rates go downhill faster than the older technologies
[04:45] <angasule> who names this software? whoever it is has serious issues :)
[04:45] <angasule> thanks stdin
[04:45] <xsacha> Ballot 97 to approve Draft 2.0 of 802.11 was approved March 9
[04:45] <Crell> Hello all.  Has anyone tried to run a Gutsy kernel backport on Feisty?  Good/bad experiences?
[04:45] <Crell> I am setting up a laptop on Feisty, and many of the instructions I'm finding are "works great with kernel 2.6.23" or "the latest ALSA makes it work", etc.
[04:46] <xsacha> dunno when next revision of draft 2 comes out
[04:46] <chris_> anyone have an idea on how to change info thats displayed in KDE Incfo Center??
[04:46] <Crell> I figure if I have to recompile things, I may as well let Ubuntu do it for me.
[04:46] <stdin> Crell: gutsy doesn't even run 2.6.23
[04:46] <Crell> Hm, never mind then.
[04:47] <Crell> What does it run?  Or is there a 2.6.23 compiled for Feisty anywhere?
[04:47] <xsacha> Gutsy runs: 2.6.22-9-generic
[04:47] <xsacha> 2.6.23 is only in -git2 right now
[04:47] <Crell> I thought there was a release a few weeks ago.
[04:47] <xsacha> that was a release of 2.6.22
[04:47] <xsacha> 2.6.23 merging just finished very recently
[04:48] <Crell> Ah.  Rats.
[04:48] <xsacha> no way you'd stick that in a polished OS
[04:48] <xsacha> distro*
[04:48] <stdin> people have asked if .23 will be in gutsy, the answer is "no"
[04:49] <Crell> hm.  OK, looks like I'm headed for patch world then.
[04:50] <xsacha> why do you need 2.6.23? some driver or something?
[04:50] <xsacha> i mean, what problems have you got with the laptop?
[04:51] <gehzumteufel> i have a wierd problem with mine
[04:51] <gehzumteufel> i can never use the k logout shutdown sequence
[04:51] <gehzumteufel> i always do that and then hit the power button to actually make it proceed
[04:51] <gehzumteufel> otherwise it doesnt ever actually shut down
[04:51] <gehzumteufel> shutdown*
[04:52] <xsacha> mm odd
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, well, does shutdown -h now work?
[04:52] <gehzumteufel> stupid ndiswrapper or the card makes me have to restart cause i dont know how to restart the ndiswrapper thing
[04:52] <Crell> It's a thinkpad T61.  Most things are working surprisingly well, but in particular sound is a no-go but apparently "works in latest CVS of ALSA" (as of when I'm not sure).  Wireless is also apparently ndiswrapper or a newer Intel driver that was released post-Feisty, so I'm hoping is available in a later kernel by default now.
[04:53] <Crell> That sort of thing.  I've not tried to get suspend/hibernate working yet.
[04:53] <xsacha> which wireless? can find out if it's in 2.6.22 as well
[04:53] <gehzumteufel> mine or his?
[04:53] <xsacha> Crell
[04:53] <gehzumteufel> mine is gay ass netgear wg511v2 (marvell libertas)
[04:53] <gehzumteufel> hence why i was asking about wifi cards earlier
[04:53] <gehzumteufel> cause i need to get a native card
[04:53] <wolferine> anyone use amsn with a webcam, and the webcam handles the audio, rather than ur soundcard?
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> well, recompiling the kernel is a major pita under buntu
[04:54] <Crell> xsacha: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_PRO/Wireless_4965AGN_Mini-PCI_Express_Adapter
[04:54] <Crell> That one.
[04:56] <sayers> Why is kubuntu using 935 mb of ram
[04:56] <xsacha> sayers: and how much cache and buffers?
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> sayers, that's probably the cache
[04:56] <xsacha> personally, if i had a gig of RAM, i'd want it usin gup 935 too
[04:56] <sayers> How can I have it not use so much cache...
[04:56] <xsacha> why would you want that?
[04:57] <intelikey> sayers it's probably using about 150m
[04:57] <sayers> more like 576
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> sayers, the cache actually speeds up performance, vice hurting it
[04:57] <stdin> Crell: looks like iwl4965 is the driver for that and it's included
[04:57] <xsacha> sayers: how much Cache and Buffers?
[04:57] <intelikey> sayers you confuse allocated and used
[04:58] <sayers> intelikey xsacha hitmanWilly ::: http://pastebin.com/m51c15ed7
[04:58] <xsacha> sayers: can you run top?
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> sayers, its using 371
[04:59] <Crell> In 2.6.22?
[04:59] <xsacha> sayers: nevermind, it's same info
[04:59] <stdin> sayers: 576MB of that is in cache
[04:59] <stdin> Crell: yep
[04:59] <sayers> stdin: http://pastebin.com/mdd98abb
[04:59] <sayers> Okay will the cache get smaller when more physical ram is used?
[04:59] <xsacha> 371 still seems like a lot though.. firefox, koctave, 3d stuff?
[04:59] <xsacha> sayers: yes
[05:00] <xsacha> sayers: looks like something wrong with Xorg.. 45% cpu is a lot
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> err, 351, but still...
[05:00] <stdin> sayers: take a look at http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[05:00] <sayers> xsacha: Dual core perhaps
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> ah, the marvelous gentoo wiki :)
[05:00] <xsacha> Xorg sucking 60MB of RAM too
[05:01] <sayers> Why is that?
[05:01] <sayers> Its only been running a day
[05:01] <xsacha> no idea.. it uses 0% cpu and 24MB of RAM here
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, possible FF or other mem leak?
[05:01] <jhutchins> known mem. leaks in ff.
[05:01] <sayers> Im not woried
[05:01] <stdin> beryl/compiz will make Xorg work
[05:02] <hydrogen> so uhh
[05:02] <jhutchins> stdin: You mean it will make xorg use CPU.
[05:02] <gehzumteufel> thank god i dont run beryl/compiz
[05:02] <xsacha> sayers: this is me http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6382/topic4.png
[05:02] <stdin> jhutchins: yeah, work (ie: like a horse)
[05:02] <jhutchins> stdin: I thought you were implying improved functionality for a moment!
[05:02] <gehzumteufel> kde runs nice and smooth
[05:02] <hydrogen> does anyone know why trying to resize a ntfs partition gives "Operation not permitted" ?
[05:02] <xsacha> sayers: are you using compiz/beryl now?
[05:02] <intelikey> i am running xorg dillo bx and a few shells....   look at this info.  Memory Used/Total Percent: 18/250 MB (7%)
[05:02] <intelikey> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[05:02] <jhutchins> hydrogen: What tool?
[05:02] <sayers> xsacha: No
[05:02] <hydrogen> jhutchins: the installer
[05:02] <xsacha> k
[05:02] <wolferine> anyone use amsn with a webcam, and the webcam handles the audio, rather than ur soundcard?
[05:03] <ryan_> Kubuntu is eating 850mb ram here. Thats with just konversation, Kopete open. KDE is a memory hog
[05:03] <xsacha> lol @ ryan_
[05:03] <stdin> ryan_: doubt it
[05:03] <jhutchins> hydrogen: Yeah, I think I'd run an external tool like gparted or qparted.
[05:03] <stdin> ryan_: "free -om" how much cache ?
[05:03] <NickPresta> ryan_, I'm using 413MB of RAM with Pidgin, XChat, Konsole, Firefox, Amarok, SuperKaramba and Beryl.
[05:03] <jhutchins> hydrogen: Write capability for ntfs is fairly restricted in most stuff.
[05:03] <ryan_> doubt what?
[05:03] <hydrogen> jhutchins: err, doesn't that defeat the point of the installer?
[05:03] <hydrogen> that partitions
[05:03] <sayers> ryan_: Apperently its all cache :)
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, lol
[05:03] <hydrogen> that is
[05:04] <jhutchins> hydrogen: Not for most other filesystems.  I don't know for sure, I've always found the partition tool to be a weak point in the installer.
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, not if you're using 32 bit its not eating it :)
[05:04] <ryan_> something. I only have 1gb ram in my laptop. That will be changing soon though
[05:04] <xsacha> yeha kubuntu64
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:04] <jhutchins> hydrogen: I know it resizes vfat partitions very efficiently.
[05:04] <xsacha> ryan_: why you need more than a gig?
[05:04] <intelikey> sayers here's a  script for you.  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38857
[05:05] <ryan_> photo's "raw" and video encoding..
[05:05] <intelikey> ryan_   ^
[05:05] <sayers> Whats that do intelikey?
[05:05] <intelikey> show actual ram usage
[05:05] <stdin> intelikey: I was waiting for you to find that
[05:05] <xsacha> shows your real RAM usage
[05:05] <intelikey> stdin heh   yeah.  just busy right now and hoped they would settel down without it...
[05:06] <ryan_> what shows your real ram usage ? in that link above
[05:06] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38857
[05:06] <xsacha> Memory Used/Total Percent: 182/756 MB (24%)
[05:06] <xsacha> Swap   Used/Total Percent: 0/0 MB (0%)
[05:06] <intelikey> ryan_ it's a shell script.
[05:06] <stdin> ryan_: it's a script, download it, mark it as executable and run it
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> ryan_, its a shell script that cats and parses some info from /proc
[05:06] <ryan_> k
[05:07] <Crell> xsacha: Hm.  Is there a 2.6.22 backport for Feisty then? :-)
[05:08] <intelikey> i'm still amazed that this thing will xorg + blackbox + dillo in less than 20m
[05:08] <intelikey> Memory Used/Total Percent: 18/250 MB (7%)
[05:08] <xsacha> :)
[05:08] <NickPresta> I'm only using 20% of my RAM with said applications open. I'm fine with that.
[05:08] <intelikey> most peoples ubuntu wont run a console in less than 30m
[05:09] <angasule> !dns
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, well, xorg by itself isn't that bad, blackbox is about as heavy as a feather, and dillo is about the smallest graphical web browser made :)
[05:09] <xsacha> Crell: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05231.html
[05:10] <intelikey> hitmanWilly i knew what i was doing when i set it up.  but you did note the last thing i posted   ^  ?
[05:10] <xsacha> Crell: answer and reason: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/128721
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, yeah, heh
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, but that's konsole
[05:11] <intelikey> hitmanWilly no console
[05:11] <wolferine> anyone use amsn with a webcam, and the webcam handles the audio, rather than ur soundcard?
[05:11] <dotz> sorry but what is the right channel to ask about videos encoding/decoding?
[05:11] <xsacha> intelikey: my konsole has 15MB resident and 12MB shared
[05:11] <intelikey> i mean if you boot to single you'll find you are using more ram than i am
[05:11] <ryan_> isnt there a command you can run from Terminal too  for processor and ram info>?
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, well, stripping out the cruft from the kernel helps too :)
[05:12] <xsacha> and it's running top
[05:12] <intelikey> stock kernel
[05:12] <xsacha> ok
[05:12] <Crell> udev changes.  Swell.
[05:12] <Crell> That's why I stopped using Sid. :-)
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, really?, ok, i give up...
[05:12] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yes
[05:12] <wolferine> !Sid | Crell
[05:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <Crell> wolferine: I know it's not Ubuntu.
[05:13] <wolferine> me too :)
[05:14] <xsacha> ryan_: you want processor info?
[05:14] <wolferine> dotz, try #tovid
[05:14] <xsacha> ryan_: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:14] <intelikey> hitmanWilly the kernel has no modules inserted that i'm not using  and the system is running no processes that 'I' consider non-essential.   i boot to a console and the system is using about 6m + the 4m the kernel always hides/eats   then i start what i want.   in this case http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38858
[05:15] <gehzumteufel> how do i make links in konversation open in firefox?
[05:15] <xsacha> probably make it the default web browser in KDE
[05:15] <intelikey> right click open with ?
[05:15] <stdin> gehzumteufel: system settings > default applications
[05:16] <xsacha> intelikey: no open with here
[05:16] <intelikey> change the /usr/bin/x-www-browser link to ff
[05:16] <gehzumteufel> ty
[05:16] <intelikey> or what ever it is...
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, ok, that's kinda edgy on 'stock kernel', since I think the stock modules go with that, but ok :)
[05:17] <gehzumteufel> is there a way to make the "backspace" key perform the same function it does in IE?
[05:17] <gehzumteufel> in firefox
[05:17] <xsacha> doesnt it do that?
[05:17] <intelikey> hitmanWilly no no.  you are mixing stock kernel and stock initramfs image
[05:18] <gehzumteufel> no
[05:18] <NickPresta> intelikey, why does /usr/bin/x-www.browser symlink to /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser which symlinks to what you actually want?
[05:18] <gehzumteufel> in ff it just goes up the page
[05:18] <gehzumteufel> in ie it goes backward a page
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, yeah, i meant that too when i mentioned the kernel, guess is hould be more specific next time :)
[05:18] <stdin> intelikey: how come you have 2 instances of pastebin running ?
[05:18] <gehzumteufel> at least here in kubuntu it does
[05:18] <intelikey> NickPresta cause it's controlled by "alternatives"
[05:18] <NickPresta> intelikey, oh okay.
[05:19] <NickPresta> gehzumteufel, http://lifehacker.com/software/firefox-tip/set-backspaces-firefox-behavior-269945.php
[05:19] <intelikey> stdin heh   ps -A x | pastebin
[05:19] <gehzumteufel> NickPresta: thanks!
[05:19] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, hat would run 1 process, yes?
[05:19] <intelikey> NickPresta look in /etc/alternatives to see what all "alternatives" is controlling on your system
[05:19] <intelikey> stdin no.
[05:19] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: browser.backspace_action in about:config
[05:20] <xsacha> oops
[05:20] <intelikey> NickPresta and     man update-alternatives      for more info on that.
[05:20] <NickPresta> intelikey, oh wow. Thanks.
[05:20] <stdin> intelikey: no, one instance of pastebin...
[05:21] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: yeah nick linked me. thanks though!
[05:21] <gehzumteufel> i cant tell you how much that annoyed me
[05:21] <intelikey> stdin my "pastebin" and yours must differ.
[05:21] <richard> hey, anyone good with kubuntu here? I can't wrk out what has happened with my install...
[05:21] <stdin> intelikey: well you gave it to me :p
[05:21] <gehzumteufel> richard: ive been on it for months. no problems
[05:21] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38859
[05:22] <intelikey> but i may have changed it too  lol
[05:22] <gehzumteufel> i only converted from windblows to kubuntu in feb or so
[05:22] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, hmm, that's a handy little script...
[05:22] <richard> ok, well everytime i open up adept and punch in my admin password it tells me...
[05:22] <richard> 17
[05:22] <intelikey> ok i have some web related things i need to attend.   i'll catch up in here in a few.
[05:23] <gehzumteufel> richard: it tells you 17? no error message?
[05:23] <xsacha> yes, 17 is the answer to everything
[05:23] <gehzumteufel> lol
[05:23] <gehzumteufel> ive never gotten it
[05:23] <richard> haha yeah, sory about that just typing up the answer, snail hands
[05:24] <richard> :P
[05:24] <gehzumteufel> and i had a problem with updating cause i was a n00b about it all
[05:24] <stdin> xsacha: no, the answer to everything is 42
[05:24] <gehzumteufel> stdin: LOL
[05:24] <xsacha> only if you watched a movie or read a silly book
[05:24] <richard> dammit, i mean it says that i wont be able to add/change any thing because another program is using the process, yet, there is nothing else running...
[05:24] <xsacha> about galaxies
[05:24] <gehzumteufel> i thought it was "error. your mac has crashed and is in need of a restart. please hit restart to continue"
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> export LIFE_UNIVERSE_EVERYTHING=42
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:24] <scott__> hello, newbie here... what is missing when I get "stdlib.h not found" when doing a "make" command
[05:24] <gehzumteufel> richard: haha i had that problem
[05:24] <stdin> xsacha: you know it was a TV series before that
[05:24] <xsacha> export -n LIFE_UNIVERSE_EVERYTHING
[05:25] <richard> gehz> What was the problem? Its mighty frustrating
[05:25] <Dr_Willis__> scott__:  you have installed the build-essential package?
[05:25] <gehzumteufel> richard: i cant remember exactly what i did though. i had to update something and then it fixed itself but it was a pain in the ass
[05:25] <wolferine> how can I see what service is allowing someone to upload to me?
[05:25] <xsacha> richard: do you have apt-get or aptitude running in background? or another adept?
[05:25] <scott__> no, but i will :) apt-get intsall build-essential  ?
[05:25] <stdin> scott__: yes
[05:26] <richard> xsacha: nope, absolutely nothing
[05:26] <Dr_Willis__> scott__:  dependoing on the program you are compiling. you may need a lot of other packages also
[05:26] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: nah its not. i had this same problem. some package needed updating or some config i forget and once i finally ran the dpkg update or something like that it was fixed
[05:26] <stdin> s/may/probably will/
[05:26] <scott__> ok thanks
[05:26] <intelikey> xsacha@localhost.~/$ enable -d export enable
[05:26] <xsacha> huh?
[05:27] <xsacha> i dont have a login called xsacha
[05:27] <intelikey> stopped you from exporting
[05:27] <intelikey> it's a joke and it was written in geek
[05:27] <intelikey> nevermind
[05:27] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: and it tells you there's another process using adept?
[05:27] <wolferine> how can I see what service is allowing someone to upload to me?
[05:27] <stdin> intelikey: '.~/' ?
[05:28] <stdin> wolferine: upload what?
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> stdin, non ubuntu standard PS1
[05:28] <wolferine> stdin, i dunno, someone is upping to me
[05:28] <xsacha> richard: i'd say, run:   sudo killall apt-get adept aptitude
[05:28] <stdin> wolferine: how do you know?
[05:28] <wolferine> stdin, can I check which services are receiving?
[05:29] <intelikey> stdin you set your PS1 how you want and i'll set xsacha's PS1 how i want   lol
[05:29] <stdin> heh
[05:29] <wolferine> stdin KNetLoad
[05:29] <Dr_Willis__> wolferine:  what services have you installed?
[05:29] <wolferine> Dr_willis, lots
[05:29] <xsacha> who is xsacha?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis__> wolferine:  start disabling them and see when it stops. :) heh
[05:30] <wolferine> thats not really what I had in mind
[05:30] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: yeah it did. i literally had NO adept/apt sessions running
[05:30] <Dr_Willis__> or check the logs for the services I guess.. of course my router has a logging feature i use a lot.
[05:30] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: sometimes there'll be one running in background.. it's a bit buggy
[05:30] <scott__> i appreciate the help guys.. on a scale of 1 to 10, ndiswrapper... am I going to be up late on this one? (trying to determine how much i care to get frustrated this evening)
[05:31] <wolferine> so there are no command line tools to check that?
[05:31] <xsacha> i'll need to kill it to unlock database.. or unlock it manually (the dpkg thing)
[05:31] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: but if i ran dpkg -update (i think thats what i ran) i could get aptitude to run
[05:31] <hitmanWilly> wolferine, conky has a good port monitoring feature
[05:31] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: yeah i think that unlocks it manually
[05:31] <gehzumteufel> ahh
[05:31] <gehzumteufel> well i did that and something else
[05:31] <gehzumteufel> there was some sort of updating that needed to be done before i could get aptitude to run again
[05:31] <xsacha> but if you open adept, unlock, open another adept.. try d/ling stuff from both -- i guess it might screw up
[05:32] <gehzumteufel> i could never do that
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, some fuser cmd?
[05:32] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: you know i cant really remember. im trying to search for it now
[05:32] <Dr_Willis__> wolferine:  i dont know of any speciic tool that could check ALL of the dozens of services you might have installed...
[05:32] <gehzumteufel> its been over a month since it happened
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> !aptfix | gehzumteufel
[05:32] <ubotu> gehzumteufel: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:32] <Dr_Willis__> there may be some - i just dont recall using them. :)
[05:33] <xsacha> yeah thats manual unlock
[05:33] <stdin> Dr_Willis__: netstat ?
[05:33] <gehzumteufel> i think its the dpkg --configure -a that fixed it
[05:34] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, that usually works, it finishes any halfway configured apps, which should unlock the database when they finish
[05:34] <gehzumteufel> richard: you reading this?
[05:34] <Firefishe> I'm getting this error during a currently running upgrade: http://pastebin.com/m14e785e
[05:35] <stdin> Firefishe: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[05:35] <richard> gehz: yup, im busy trying that command out
[05:36] <gehzumteufel> richard: that one should work. im remembering that dpkg --configure -a fixing it now
[05:36] <Firefishe> thank you stdin...
[05:36] <xsacha> any idea why i get this when i run KDE4 in Xephyr today? Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c
[05:36] <wolferine> yeah, can I get a really detail netstat?
[05:36] <richard> wicked, thats people, that got it working again!
[05:36] <richard> YAYS!
[05:37] <wolferine> this conky is ok, keeps appearing/disappearing though
[05:37] <hitmanWilly> stdin, and I was going to have him modify /etc/locales and run locale-gen, heh, you're no fun :)
[05:37] <wolferine> kinda annoying
[05:37] <richard> *thanks people
[05:37] <gehzumteufel> are mini-pci slots normally under the keyboard in dell laptops?
[05:37] <Dr_Willis__> conky + kde/gnome has double buffering issues/desktop drawing issues. :(
[05:37] <Dr_Willis__> run it in its own window helps a lot.
[05:37] <wolferine> ah, found the app
[05:37] <stdin> xsacha: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[05:38] <wolferine> own window, lets look at the man
[05:38] <xsacha> stdin: nevermind, it's a xephyr thing and it's not the blocker.. working fine now
[05:38] <Dr_Willis__> conky is neat - but can be a real pain
[05:39] <wolferine> i am getting that impression very quicklyt
[05:39] <gehzumteufel> anyone know any good pcmcia wifi cards?
[05:39] <intelikey> !conky
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about conky - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <gehzumteufel> im dying
[05:40] <Dr_Willis__> print out its example config files  :)
[05:40] <intelikey> !info conky
[05:40] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 123 kB, installed size 416 kB
[05:40] <xsacha> damn, kwin4 has 34 plugins
[05:40] <Dr_Willis__> xsacha:  is one a conky plugin? :)
[05:40] <xsacha> no, they are all compiz-like effects
[05:41] <xsacha> Drunken, Wavy, Flame, ..
[05:41] <Dr_Willis__> bah! :)
[05:41] <xsacha> a lot of them are worse than the ones in compiz.. as in entirely useless... drunken -- come on
[05:41] <intelikey> does conky require any root privs?
[05:41] <Dr_Willis__> Drunken will make ME more productive!
[05:41] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, but fun :)
[05:41] <wolferine> no
[05:41] <Dr_Willis__> intelikey:  Not that i am aware of.
[05:41] <wolferine> conky does not
[05:41] <intelikey> k
[05:42] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, ok, more stuff to eat RAM, fun times!!
[05:42] <Dr_Willis__> well bbl.
[05:42] <wolferine> later
[05:42] <dthacker> mmmmmmm RAM
[05:42] <wolferine> mmmm, 3GB of RAM
[05:42] <xsacha> hitmanWilly: well.. considering compiz uses like 4MB of RAM and only adds on about 20MB to Xorg.. thats not much waste :P
[05:43] <hitmanWilly> meh
[05:43] <wolferine> os[Linux 2.6.20-16-generic i686]  distro[Debian 4.0]  cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ @ 2.22GHz]  mem[Physical : 3043MB, 88.8% free]  disk[Total : 965.28GB, 39.80% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] ]  sound[] 
[05:43] <xsacha> Sysinfo for 'coco': Linux 2.6.22-9-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3000+ at 2002 MHz (4009 bogomips), HD: 10/71GB, RAM: 748/756MB, 112 proc's, 5.42h up
[05:43] <dthacker> wolferine: yeah, it's got a hemi
[05:43] <wolferine> ah, good, another n o n dualer
[05:43] <xsacha> n o n dualer?
[05:43] <xsacha> oh dual-core
[05:44] <wolferine> 756?
[05:44] <xsacha> yeah this comp is about 4 years old
[05:44] <wolferine> :)
[05:44] <xsacha> yeah ive had 512 for ages and decided to steal 256 from another computer to get more cache
[05:44] <xsacha> i dont notice any speed increase though.. everything (except firefox) still seems to load instant
[05:45] <wolferine> what addon for system info, xsacha ?
[05:45] <xsacha> konversation
[05:45] <wolferine> ah
[05:46] <intelikey> conky doesn't seem to run on my system
[05:46] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, is this the one you run as init?
[05:46] <wolferine> intelikey, errors?
[05:46] <gehzumteufel> i wish i knew more about linux to strip shit
[05:47] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yeah.  i run all of them that way.
[05:47] <stdin> !langiage > gehzumteufel
[05:47] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: i think it starts like this:     init 3
[05:47] <wolferine> gehzumteufel, 'linux server hacks', look for the torrent
[05:47] <gehzumteufel> stdin: Sorry, I don't know anything about langiage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, that may be causing some problems, plus it is an X app
[05:47] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: ?
[05:47] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: and then you rip everything out of your kernel.. like USB, Flash and so on
[05:48] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ;/
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, in other words, do a basic gentoo install :)
[05:48] <xsacha> and then you choose only programs you want
[05:48] <gehzumteufel> omg
[05:48] <gehzumteufel> thats how i TRIED to start
[05:48] <gehzumteufel> i failed
[05:48] <xsacha> <-- i dont use USB, so i dont need it in kernel
[05:48] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, many do
[05:48] <stdin> gehzumteufel: heh, that's a typo in my script :P anyway, please watch the language in here
[05:48] <xsacha> it saves like 22KB
[05:48] <intelikey> wolferine http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/38860
[05:48] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: LOL a whole 22k!
[05:48] <xsacha> maybe 60..
[05:48] <xsacha> it's a lot :P
[05:49] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: this aint fucking 486 days where we haev 128k of ram!
[05:49] <gehzumteufel> lol
[05:49] <gehzumteufel> err 286*
[05:49] <dthacker> ! language | gehzumteufel
[05:49] <ubotu> gehzumteufel: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:49] <xsacha> get kernel under 1MB :) ubuntu one is 4-7 or something
[05:49] <intelikey> hitmanWilly could you explain how it would cause a problem what init you use ?
[05:49] <gehzumteufel> dthacker: ?
[05:49] <wolferine> intelikey, as sudo?
[05:49] <gandhii> I noticed that when typing just a word like "newegg" in the address field of firefox it doesn't check automatically check google and bring me straight to newegg.com like it does when using firefox in wondows or macOSX..  is there a setting for this somewhere where I haven't seen it yet?
[05:49] <intelikey> wolferine no
[05:49] <wolferine> intelikey, whats the command u used?
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, not sure if it even does, that was just a guess
[05:50] <intelikey> i clicked the menu itom
[05:50] <dthacker> gehzumteufel: please watch the language.  thanks :)
[05:50] <xsacha> gandhii: oh yeah i remember that happening on windows
[05:50] <stdin> gandhii: you can press Ctrl-Enter to auto add .com to the end
[05:50] <gehzumteufel> dthacker: will do
[05:50] <gehzumteufel> sorry
[05:50] <xsacha> gandhii: it works here
[05:50] <xsacha> on linux too
[05:50] <wolferine> intelikey, run from command line, see what you get
[05:50] <intelikey> wolferine i installed conky and it put a listing for it in system tools   so i clicked it
[05:51] <xsacha> stdin: i just type in "newegg" and it turns it into http://www.newegg.com when you hit enter
[05:51] <intelikey> wolferine ok.
[05:51] <gandhii> hmm..  odd..  not here..  i guess i'll keep poking at it then.. till i figure it out.. thanks for verifying that it is not a linux thing.  ;] 
[05:51] <gehzumteufel> how do i build my own kernel in kubuntu
[05:51] <gehzumteufel> not the same way as gentoo im assuming
[05:51] <gehzumteufel> or is it
[05:51] <stdin> !kernel
[05:51] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:51] <gehzumteufel> i used genkernel
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, its a massive pain, even more so than normal
[05:52] <soulrider> !resolution
[05:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:52] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: even worse than on gentoo? i have done that before..but i never sucessfully got a working gentoo system
[05:52] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: there's only a few 1000 settings.. after your eyes bleed through them for about 5 hours and you've ticked everything you want and then compile.. you might find it doesnt work :(
[05:52] <intelikey> wolferine ooo yuch.   same exact terminal output   but it wrote some rediculessly small crap in the desktop
[05:52] <wolferine> yeah
[05:52] <wolferine> thats the app :/
[05:52] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: haha yeah been there
[05:53] <dthacker> gehzumteufel: you may also want to look at http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[05:53] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: if you've done it heaps of times, it's easy though :)
[05:53] <intelikey> can't read it it's too small in 640x480 zoom
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, not only do you have to deal with the normal kernel stuff, ie gentoo, but you also have to build an initrd img and repackage as a .deb
[05:53] <wolferine> intelikey, here, use this command line: conky -a bottom_right -d -o
[05:53] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: well i got a good basic understanding of most of what i do need but at the same time i dont.
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, ok, you really don't have to repackage it, but its either that or edit grub by hand
[05:54] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: editing grub by hand is easy
[05:54] <jryhiggins> i know this is the wrong channel but will someone tell me the terminal command to add a user to virtual box? in /dev/vboxdrv
[05:54] <gehzumteufel> im not afraid of command prompt
[05:54] <xsacha> editing grub isnt hard :)
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, i agree with you, but i wasn't sure if you were comfortable with it
[05:54] <stdin> jryhiggins: there is a vbox group, add users to that group
[05:54] <jryhiggins> stdin: how?
[05:55] <Scorpaen> i need help with mounting an NTFS volume. it keeps showing up as owned by root
[05:55] <stdin> jryhiggins: in system settings
[05:55] <Scorpaen> i think my fstab is wrong
[05:55] <Scorpaen> i need the user to be able to READ the files
[05:55] <Scorpaen> hwo do i do this?
[05:55] <stdin> Scorpaen: post it to pastebin
[05:55] <Crell> Entirely unrelated question.  Recently in Konqueror, whenever I open a new window I get not one but three tabs by default.  It's happening on two different Feisty systems.  Has anyone seen that before and/or fixed it?
[05:55] <stdin> !paste | Scorpaen
[05:55] <ubotu> Scorpaen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:55] <jryhiggins> stdin: thnx
[05:55] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: hehe im not just the regular point and click kids....i grew up with command line. we had dos till win95 was out. then we got win31. got 95 when 98 was out. lol
[05:55] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, a lot of the people we get in here have no idea whatsoever that there even is a cmd line
[05:55] <xsacha> Crell: that'd probably be your default session
[05:55] <gehzumteufel> haha i believe it
[05:56] <Scorpaen> stdin: it's just one line man : /dev/sdb1       /mnt/sdb1       ntfs    user    0 0
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, old DOS kid myself :)
[05:56] <Scorpaen> what could be wrong?
[05:56] <xsacha> Crell: Load Profile View / Save Profile View is in Settings Menu
[05:56] <Crell> Is there a way to edit the default settion directly?
[05:56] <stdin> Scorpaen: change "user" to "user,fmask=111,dmask=000"
[05:56] <xsacha> Crell: just load up whatever you want.. then save that and that'll be default
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, and win 3.1 was really just a DOS frontend anyway :)
[05:57] <xsacha> Crell: the window size and layout and everything is saved
[05:57] <Dr_willis> The whole 'save session/layout' thing is a tad confusing. :)
[05:57] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: hehe we had this menu system that i cant remember what its called. it was dos based but we used it so that my family could use it without remember commands. i was the nerd. :D
[05:57] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: haha yeah i know. a gui for dos
[05:57] <stoned> stdin: hey what was that link again for 64bit java/flash
[05:57] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, roflmao
[05:57] <Crell> hm.  Seems like a misconfiguration in the default profile, since it's happened on a fresh install.
[05:57] <stdin> stoned: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, remember windows 2 i think it was?
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> you mean 1?
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> omg
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> haha
[05:58] <jryhiggins> stdin: my systems settings program keeps crashing, whats the command line command for adding the user?
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> that shit SUCKED ASS!
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, yeah, that one :)
[05:58] <stdin> !language | gehzumteufel
[05:58] <ubotu> gehzumteufel: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, and you really gotta watch the language in here :)
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> sorry
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> im not used to it
[05:58] <gehzumteufel> i try to watch it
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, i feel your pain
[05:59] <gehzumteufel> ive been on irc for years
[05:59] <jryhiggins> can someone tell me how to add a user to a particular user group using terminal?
[05:59] <gehzumteufel> its odd to find a channel that makes you watch your lang
[05:59] <hitmanWilly> jryhiggins, adduser is a nice user friendly script to do it
[05:59] <gehzumteufel> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Proxim-Orinoco-Gold-Card-802-11-a-b-g-108Mbps_W0QQitemZ150150231286QQihZ005QQcategoryZ45000QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:59] <gehzumteufel> good deal?
[06:00] <xsacha> jryhiggins: using addgroup ?
[06:00] <jryhiggins> anyway i just need to add myself to the virtual box user group
[06:00] <xsacha> oh. mm
[06:00] <jryhiggins> to /dev/vboxdrv is what it says
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, assuming it works :), otherwise you have a $10 paperweight...
[06:01] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: yeah but for $20 you really cant beat it
[06:01] <gehzumteufel> err that was a different one than i was thinking
[06:01] <gehzumteufel> but still $10 is good
[06:02] <gehzumteufel> if it works of course
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> gehzumteufel, yeah, id say its worth a shot...atheros works from what i can remember
[06:02] <gehzumteufel> yeah
[06:02] <gehzumteufel> atheros, orinoco, and prism cards
[06:02] <gehzumteufel> but prism cards dont support g
[06:03] <wolferine> that work intelikey ?
[06:03] <meis> us there a centralized control pane comparable to yast from suse linux
[06:03] <meis> is* not us
[06:03] <blaize> What is a good image editing software for linux?
[06:03] <hitmanWilly> meis, adept
[06:04] <stdin> meis: system settings for, well, system settings
[06:04] <Shadow_mil> question, is the kubuntu team going to be waiting for KDE4 instead of trying to add beryl/compiz to the distro?
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> i thought yast was just a pkg manager?
[06:04] <gehzumteufel> hitmanWilly: yeah but im on a laptop that im unsure of where the mini-pci slot is and whether or not the antenna is in it
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> heh
[06:05] <Shadow_mil> also, will KDE4 be released for feisty?
[06:05] <meis> yast is a complete centralixed control panel
[06:05] <stdin> Shadow_mil: no, compiz-fusion will be before then
[06:05] <blaize> How do I check my system settings like Ram and Processor Speed through linux?
[06:06] <Shadow_mil> stdin, ok, well KDE4 is due to be released at the end of this mouth I believe and will have many openGL features that compiz-fusion has
[06:06] <stdin> Shadow_mil: kde4 is scheduled for 1st release in october
[06:06] <gehzumteufel> i wish OGL took hold over DirectX
[06:06] <Shadow_mil> hmmm, they must had set it back
[06:07] <gehzumteufel> its so much better and platform independent
[06:07] <blaize> Anybody? On how to check system info like ram and processor speed?
[06:07] <gehzumteufel> you dont know what you have to begin with?
[06:07] <wolferine> ok, nite ppl
[06:07] <stdin> Shadow_mil: it won't be in gutsy, and it won't be in the release after that either (not by default)
[06:07] <Shadow_mil> gehzumteufel, they have announced openGL 3
[06:08] <wolferine> stdin, dont stay up too late.... again
[06:08] <meis> i'm having trouble also with building from source, the configure script is complaining that the c compiler cannot create binaries
[06:08] <stdin> wolferine: I probably will :p but good night :)
[06:08] <stdin> meis: install build-essential
[06:08] <gehzumteufel> Shadow_mil: well i was referring to developer support
[06:08] <Shadow_mil> stdin, :\   KDE4 looks like its going to have a lot more cool stuff and will be faster
[06:09] <stdin> meis: also check there isn't a packages version first
[06:09] <gehzumteufel> hopefully kde4 will be easy to install after its finished
[06:09] <blaize> stdin, hey you helped me earlier I'm on computer that I bought from someone and the ram doesn't list its amount and the processor doesn't tell its speed how can I check that through the linux interface
[06:09] <gehzumteufel> is it even worth intsalling now?
[06:09] <gehzumteufel> installing?
[06:09] <meis> that seems to have done the trick thanks
[06:10] <stdin> blaize: cat /proc/cpuinfo and cat /proc/meminfo
[06:10] <stdin> Shadow_mil: it won't be in gutsy because KDE4 won't be ready, and it can't be in gutsy+1 bacuse gutsy+1 will be LTS
[06:10] <Shadow_mil> LTS?
[06:11] <stdin> !lts
[06:11] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:11] <intelikey> cat /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo
[06:11] <gehzumteufel> stdin: is kde4 worth installing right now?
[06:11] <Shadow_mil> stdin, :\
[06:11] <gehzumteufel> or is it more a pain than its worth
[06:12] <intelikey> stdin gutsy+1 == LTS ???
[06:12] <stdin> gehzumteufel: you can install it side by side with kde3, see /topic
[06:12] <stdin> intelikey: yep
[06:12] <intelikey> every two years ?
[06:12] <gehzumteufel> stdin: right i saw that. but seems like your already using it. at least thats what it sounds like.
[06:12] <meis> how about the termcap/curses library?
[06:12] <intelikey> seems to soon    supported for 3years on the desktop but we'll have another one in two.... ?
[06:12] <stdin> intelikey: don't know for sure, but it looks like about that
[06:13] <gehzumteufel> so i was wondering what your opinion was regarding performance and the way it runs
[06:13] <intelikey> ubuntu just don't like me...
[06:13] <gehzumteufel> and if its worth the trouble of installing
[06:13] <stdin> gehzumteufel: I have used it a bit yes, but not as my default desktop, it's too buggy
[06:13] <gehzumteufel> ok so really more of a pain than anything
[06:14] <gehzumteufel> i hope they fixed the Ktorrent version in Gutsy
[06:14] <stdin> gehzumteufel: it's definitely not ready for general use
[06:14] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: it's not really a pain because it doesnt affect your desktop
[06:14] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: but it doesnt really offer anything yet.. i can take a screenshot if you want
[06:14] <Shadow_mil> Oh I want to see a screenshot of it
[06:15] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: that would be cool. im not so much concerned with effects. although that is nice and all im more concerned on how well and smooth it runs
[06:15] <gehzumteufel> intelikey: you can make anything look like anything if you want. it just takes time and dedication
[06:16] <intelikey> and the "right" mouse button
[06:16] <intelikey> :)
[06:16] <gehzumteufel> lol
[06:16] <gehzumteufel> anyone know what ktorrent version is in gutsy?
[06:16] <stdin> 2.2.1
[06:16] <intelikey> !info ktorrent gutsy
[06:16] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2698 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[06:17] <gehzumteufel> good
[06:17] <gehzumteufel> the version that came with feisty is really old and crashed all the time on me
[06:17] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: screeny pleasure: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7466/screenyvw6.png
[06:17] <intelikey> note the same info strings work in pm with the bot
[06:17] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: thanks!
[06:17] <gehzumteufel> looks nice
[06:18] <intelikey> @ gehzumteufel
[06:18] <gehzumteufel> but looks can be made that way in all
[06:18] <gehzumteufel> intelikey: ahh k thanks for the info.
[06:18] <zarilion> does anyone have any speculations on when the gutsy beta will be out ?
[06:18] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: as you can see, it's very incomplete there.. they havent actually really started on the 'visuals' yet.. so dont look at those
[06:19] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: it's still using the kde3 decorator as default
[06:19] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: haha yeah i saw LOTS of icons missing, lots of unpolished stuff
[06:19] <Shadow_mil> biggest concern I have with KDE 4, is that GTK apps will end up standing out even more :\
[06:19] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: systemsetting is very incomplete.. ill show you a screenshot of phonon
[06:19] <intelikey> zarilion   /join #ubuntu+1
[06:19] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: here http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9886/screeny1gg5.png
[06:20] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: all those items on left hand side (notifications, music, video).. dont change the right hand side
[06:20] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: if you click on Backends, the only backend is "Fake"
[06:20] <gehzumteufel> Shadow_mil: in my experience they have always stood out. i remember using mandrake 6 and they stood out
[06:20] <intelikey> ?
[06:20] <stdin> zarilion: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:20] <intelikey> what's that char ^ ?
[06:20] <zarilion> thank's  :)
[06:21] <intelikey> i can type that but i don't know what it is,      anyone ?
[06:21] <stdin> intelikey: shows as an empty box
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, looks like some kinda boxy thing...
[06:21] <gehzumteufel> xsacha:  LOL
[06:21] <zhaofei> ubuntu-cn
[06:21] <intelikey> hmmm  /me types in unknown chars....
[06:21] <Shadow_mil> gehzumteufel, yeah but the thing is, with QT4, will have the API needed to use openGL on menu stuff, even things like typing into textbox 3D effects and stuff.  But I don't know if they carry it over.
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, hmm, interesting, looks like a hybrid of system settings and kcontrol...
[06:22] <xsacha> hitmanWilly: kcontrol no longer exists..
[06:22] <stoned> hey
[06:22] <stoned> you
[06:22] <gehzumteufel> Shadow_mil: ahh i see what your saying. well i guess we will find out right?
[06:22] <stoned> stdin: thanks
[06:22] <zhaofei> how to jion a home ?
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> xsacha, too bad
[06:22] <xsacha> gehzumteufel: this sums up the current status of KDE4 beta: http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/5258/screeny2ia8.png
[06:22] <stdin> stoned: :)
[06:22] <stoned> zhaofei: umm.. you should already have a home
[06:22] <Shadow_mil> gehzumteufel, I guess
[06:22] <stoned> I got flash working
[06:22] <gehzumteufel> xsacha: hahahaha
[06:22] <zhaofei> ubuntu-cn   thie home
[06:22] <stoned> have not yest tested java/limewire
[06:22] <stoned> stdin: any word on the wiring of the limes  under amd64
[06:22] <stoned> ?
[06:23] <meis> how do you get mp3 support working in kubuntu feisty
[06:23] <stdin> !mp3 | meis
[06:23] <stoned> I also would like to get mp3 support
[06:23] <ubotu> meis: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:23] <Shadow_mil> gehzum, I am really want to see what all types of effect plugins will come out
[06:23] <xsacha> meis: i just ran amarok, played an mp3.. it asked to download something, i clicked yes, it started playing
[06:23] <Shadow_mil> I really*
[06:23] <meis> thanks
[06:23] <meis> i'm finally getting mysql to compile, yay!
[06:24] <stdin> stoned: not sure, you can try and see
[06:24] <stdin> meis: compile ?
[06:24] <zhaofei> what's command to jion  ubuntu-cn home ?
[06:24] <intelikey> my favorite monitor just crapped out
[06:24] <gehzumteufel> Shadow_mil: yeah it would be nice. i really want to see linux interface with WM devices
[06:24] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, how old was this one :)
[06:24] <intelikey> hitmanWilly ummm i'll look for a date on it.  give me a sec
[06:24] <xsacha> zhaofei: /join #ubuntu-cn
[06:24] <meis> i just wish that kubuntu had a better installer, with more options to choose the packges i want
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, nm :P
[06:25] <intelikey> no i'm curious too
[06:25] <zhaofei> thank you very much
[06:25] <meis> stdin: compile means to create binaries from source
[06:25] <xsacha> zhaofei: or just click on that link: #ubuntu-cn
[06:25] <stdin> meis: I know what it means... why are you compiling ?
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, what crapped out on it?
[06:25] <zhaofei> ok  thanks~~~
[06:25] <gehzumteufel> meis: that would be nice
[06:25] <Shadow_mil> gehzum, its really kinda sad, I like the KDE interface and system configuration tools, but at the same time, I like A LOT of GTK apps (xchat, pidgin, etc)
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> woo hoo! kde is finished compiling...
[06:26] <meis> stdin: two reasons, one, apt-get doesn't have a mysql package, and two, i always find mysql runs better when compiled from source
[06:26] <gehzumteufel> Shadow_mil: yeah i use pidgin. it works the best
[06:26] <xsacha> first time i compiled kde, it took 5 hours
[06:26] <Shadow_mil> gehzum, it makes me sad that they don't work in-sync as well as I would help
[06:26] <intelikey> hitmanWilly manufactured june of 92    the colour just went berzerk  now it's normal in the very center, and rainbowed all around
[06:26] <Shadow_mil> hope*
[06:26] <purpleposeidon> I, err, replaced vi with a circular symlink... how do I fix this?
[06:27] <xsacha> meis: woah.. no apt package for lamp?
[06:27] <hitmanWilly> intelikey, one of the color guns blew, sounds like
[06:27] <xsacha> !lamp
[06:27] <stdin> !find mysql | meis
[06:27] <meis> lamp?
[06:27] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:27] <ubotu> meis: Found: libapache2-mod-auth-mysql, libdbd-mysql-perl, libmysql-java, libmysqlclient15-dev, libmysqlclient15off (and 82 others)
[06:27] <stdin> !info mysql-server
[06:27] <ubotu> mysql-server: mysql database server (meta package depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.0.38-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 46 kB, installed size 84 kB
[06:27] <intelikey> hitmanWilly it was an "svga" 15"  very good quality picture       until now.
[06:27] <Shadow_mil> brb
[06:27] <meis> like i said i prefer to install all three of those from source
[06:28] <gehzumteufel> Shadow_mil: yeah its kinda sad in that respect when it comes to the linux development community. there are some really stupid things that go on
[06:28] <stdin> meis: ever thought about gentoo ? :p
[06:29] <mars2686> stdin: hi
[06:29] <gehzumteufel> intelikey: 15"!?!?! omg thats TINY!!!!
[06:29] <meis> stdin: kubuntu is the debian based linux i've used for quite some time, i rather dislike debian distros, but everyone seems to love ubuntu, so i chose kubuntu because gnome sucks
[06:29] <gehzumteufel> stdin: i did. failed to get it working so i gave up
[06:29] <intelikey> well i don't think it's really worth trying to fix, so; i'll down grade to the newer one.
[06:29] <stdin> mars2686: freenode has a one connection per user policy :p
[06:30] <x04ty29er> intelikey: how can you downgrade to a newer one?
[06:30] <intelikey> gehzumteufel actually it was big for it's day.   maybe you don't recall 1992.
[06:30] <gehzumteufel> intelikey: lol i know of a great monitor...although its kinda old and out of production. you can find them on ebay though
[06:30] <gehzumteufel> intelikey: lol yeah. we had a 14" SVGA in 1993
[06:30] <mars2686> stdin: you tryin' to call me fat?
[06:30] <meis> so this is me trying a debian distro again, and so far still not that impressed, no offense.  i normally use openSuSE, which is much more configurable and smoother on use
[06:30] <intelikey> x04ty29er ummm unplug the one and plug the other in ???
[06:30] <gehzumteufel> lol
[06:31] <x04ty29er> intelikey: i see..............?
[06:31] <stdin> mars2686: I would tell you to go to -offtopic for off topic discussion, but ...
[06:31] <stoned> hey
[06:32] <stoned> when I click a folder icon in konqueror, why does it come up?
[06:32] <intelikey> x04ty29er most people seem to have a false idea of what an "upgrade" is,   up implies better,  so even thought it's newer if it's of lower quality it's a downgrade not an upgrade.
[06:32] <stoned> the icon animation
[06:32] <mars2686> stdin: lol
[06:32] <stoned> how can I turn it off
[06:32] <xsacha> stoned: the bouncing?
[06:32] <xsacha> bouncy bouncy
[06:32] <stoned> yes
[06:32] <stoned> i hate that
[06:32] <x04ty29er> intelikey: i see. I get it now
[06:32] <xsacha> stoned: me too,.. in kcontrol -> appearance -> launch feedback
[06:32] <stoned> not that
[06:33] <meis> btw anyone know how i can turn of the splash screen on boot? i rather prefer to see what is loading and its progress
[06:33] <xsacha> what else bounces?
[06:33] <stoned> like in konqueor you browse /home, and you have /home/prawn
[06:33] <stoned> ahem
[06:33] <stdin> meis: remove "splash" from the boot line
[06:33] <stoned> I mean, when you click an icon, it animates
[06:33] <stoned> its like the icon gets bigger and bigger
[06:33] <stoned> i want to turn that off
[06:33] <xsacha> mm i dont have that
[06:34] <x04ty29er> stoned: So like what happens in mac is what you want to turn off?
[06:34] <stdin> xsacha: do you have kde 3.5.7 ?
[06:34] <stoned> i guess
[06:34] <meis> stdin: is there a graphical grub configuration editor, or do i have to edit the grub configurations from the /boot
[06:34] <xsacha> stoned: oh you mean kcontrol -> appearance -> icons -> advanced -> animate icons?
[06:34] <stoned> it doesn't happen in kde
[06:34] <stoned> only in kubuntu
[06:34] <stoned> for some reason
[06:34] <xsacha> thats just one up from launch feedback
[06:34] <stoned> well it never happened in debian
[06:34] <x04ty29er> stoned: kubuntu uses kde
[06:34] <xsacha> stoned: nevermind, thats not it
[06:35] <stoned> animate icon is unchecked everywhere
[06:35] <stoned> still  it animates
[06:35] <stdin> meis: there isn't a graphical grub config (yet, it was too buggy) so you'll have to hand edit
[06:35] <intelikey> x04ty29er but kde doesn't use kubuntu
[06:35] <x04ty29er> hm......................
[06:35] <xsacha> lol
[06:35] <intelikey> kubuntu uses linux     but linux doesn't use kubuntu
[06:35] <stoned> kubuntu has added/modified stuff
[06:35] <meis> yikes, i'll use suse to configure grub to launch kubuntu then
[06:35] <stoned> its using kde, but it modiefies and adds to it
[06:35] <stoned> i think
[06:35] <stoned> anyway
[06:36] <xsacha> i think what hes getting at is: Kubuntu doesnt use KDE default settings
[06:36] <stoned> how can i turn it off
[06:36] <stdin> intelikey: well, they kinda do, that take a lot of code/featured from kubuntu
[06:36] <intelikey> stoned kcontrol
[06:36] <x04ty29er> stoned: I can't repilcate what you are describing right now. can you give me some more info?
[06:36] <meis> someone needs to create a yast for kubuntu
[06:36] <intelikey> stdin who ?
[06:36] <stdin> intelikey: KDE
[06:37] <loco> where can i find one easy guide to compile the kernel of ubuntu?
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: or rather, the KDE developers and community
[06:37] <x04ty29er> meis: you mean you don't like the built in package manager>
[06:37] <stdin> !kernel | loco
[06:37] <ubotu> loco: kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:37] <intelikey> stdin heh   probably so.   i haven't tried to see where they were grabbing their newest ideas
[06:37] <stoned> this only happens when you click a folder icon.  the icon gets bigger and bigger for a half second, like animate-icon-getting-big-because-you-clicked-it-effect
[06:37] <stoned> i want to turn it off dangit
[06:37] <stdin> intelikey: eg: in KDE4 kcontrol will be replaced with system settings
[06:37] <xsacha> stoned: the icon remains in place but a second icon (transparent) is over the top getting bigger?
[06:38] <stoned> i guess
[06:38] <meis> x04ty29er: yast is far more than a package manager: package management is just a module of yast
[06:38] <stoned> I don't know how its made
[06:38] <intelikey> totally replaced ?   or just the default ?
[06:38] <meis> x04ty29er: yast is an entire centralized control panel
[06:38] <xsacha> intelikey: kcontrol doesnt exist in KDE trunk anymore
[06:38] <intelikey> hmmm   sad.
[06:38] <intelikey> best app   kde had
[06:39] <stdin> intelikey: well, the intent is to replace it one day, but for the 1st few releases both will be available (system settings being default)
[06:39] <stoned> c'mon man
[06:39] <stoned> somebody has to know how to turn this annoying thing off
[06:39] <meis> x04ty29er: check this out http://en.opensuse.org/Yast
[06:39] <stdin> stoned: thought about asking in #kde?
[06:39] <stoned> its not a kde default setting
[06:39] <stoned> i could try
[06:39] <intelikey> stoned and did you look in kcontrol
[06:39] <stoned> they would probably direct me to #kubuntu
[06:39] <stoned> intelikey: look for what
[06:40] <stdin> stoned: it is in kde3.5.7
[06:40] <stoned> all the settings I think would apply, don't apply
[06:40] <intelikey> stoned for what you want to affect
[06:40] <meis> x04ty29er: what project would that be?
[06:42] <intelikey> stoned one could do what i do first raddle out of the box   rm ~/.kde   and reset X   then you get asked about kde setup when you login and tell it minimal affects (all affects off)     i never have icon zomming or bouncing mice
[06:42] <stoned> dude
[06:42] <stoned> no.
[06:42] <intelikey> then look in kcontrol
[06:42] <stoned> that is a horrible solution
[06:42] <intelikey> it's there some place
[06:42] <stoned> you should never EVER tell anyone to do that, ever.
[06:42] <hydrogen> err
[06:42] <hydrogen> except for when they want to reset to defaults
[06:43] <hydrogen> which is why it was done there
[06:43] <stoned> hydrogen: well, yeah
[06:43] <intelikey> stoned i tell people to  rm -r ~/      "dude"
[06:43] <hydrogen> blanket statements only expose the holes in said blanket
[06:43] <stoned> what are you like 50?
[06:43] <stoned> why put dude in quotes unless you are being sarcastic
[06:43] <stoned> and being sarcastic about that is retarded btw
[06:43] <stoned> just fyi.
[06:44] <intelikey> no i'm not 50 im just retarded
[06:44] <intelikey> "fyi"
[06:44] <intelikey> :)
[06:44] <stoned> whatever, have at it.
[06:44] <gehzumteufel> lol
[06:45] <gehzumteufel> lol
[06:45] <stoned>  |
[06:45] <stoned> / \
[06:45] <stoned> awe
[06:45] <stoned> you messed up my lol dude
[06:45] <stoned> dangit
[06:45] <gehzumteufel> haha
[06:45] <stoned> lol
[06:45] <stoned>  |
[06:45] <stoned> / \
[06:45] <xsacha> .
[06:45] <stdin> stoned: this channel is not for doodles
[06:45] <stoned> hah, got it
[06:45] <Daisuke_Ido> ascii art = spam = very very offtopic
[06:45] <intelikey> !enter
[06:45] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:46] <stdin> stoned: keep it on topic to take it to offtopic
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> besides, it looks like absolutely nothing if you're not using a monospaced font here.
[06:46] <mars2686> take it to offtopic... cause kittenmaster is very bored there
[06:46] <gehzumteufel> heh
[06:46] <stoned> how many more people are going to say that
[06:46] <mars2686> it's a true story v.v
[06:47] <stoned> why not 300+ people tell me to take if offtopic
[06:47] <stoned> is this not considered sspam?
[06:47] <stoned> geez.
[06:47] <mars2686> no... I really want more people in off topic ;-)
[06:47] <gehzumteufel> whats the off topic channel?
[06:47] <intelikey> !offtopic
[06:47] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:47] <mars2686> #kubuntu-off-topic
[06:47] <gehzumteufel> ahh k
[06:47] <mars2686> without the second dash
[06:47] <stoned> hey
[06:47] <stoned> this is offtopic
[06:48] <stoned> take it elsewhere
[06:48] <intelikey> "dude"
[06:49] <mars2686> !offtopic
[06:49] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:50] <stdin> mars2686, you know the offtopic channel, so stop the botabuse
[06:50] <mars2686> sorry :'(
[06:50] <stoned> when i was on topic no one could help me
[06:50] <mars2686> I just want more friends stdin
[06:51] <stoned> my self respect was finished a long time ago. I need no new friends or respect from anyone
[06:51] <stoned> i have enough friends, new friends take too much time, especially if they don't use linux
[06:51] <stoned> that is the hardest
[06:51] <stoned> you try to get them to use linux,  you give em a free ubuntu cd
[06:51] <stoned> then you go over next week and its all scratched up, on the floor, and they still use windows
[06:52] <stoned> I swear to god...
[06:52] <stdin> stoned: take it to #kubuntu-offtopic last warning now
[06:52] <stoned> oooohh
[06:52] <stoned> this icon won't go off
[06:53] <stoned> i've looked all through kcontrol no dice
[06:53] <stoned> stdin: you can help me in #offtopic?
[06:53] <stoned> or whatever
[06:53] <stdin> I already said, if no one knows in here, ask in #kde
[06:54] <stoned> how come no one knows how to turn off this damn thing
[06:54] <stoned> I did
[06:55] <stoned> so basically if either silence or kubuntu stuff in here?
[06:55] <stoned> nothing else is allowed?
[06:55] <stdin> exactly
[06:55] <xsacha> i prefer the solution: compile kde on kubuntu.. that'll use kde default settings, surely
[06:55] <stoned> thas kinda stupid
[06:55] <mars2686> that's what the off topic is for
[06:55] <stdin> stoned: tough
[06:55] <stoned> yeh tough, but stupid
[06:55] <stoned> don't worry im not trying to change policy
[06:55] <mars2686> off topic is more fun anyways...
[06:55] <stoned> just expressming my opinion about the policy
[06:55] <stoned> its freaking retarded.
[06:55] <stoned> now im done
[06:56] <intelikey> :)
[06:56] <stoned> :)
[06:56] <mars2686> just go into #ubuntu-offtopic real quick before the channel nazi kills up
[06:56] <mars2686> us*
[06:56] <stoned> i don't need to
[06:57] <mars2686> oh... but we're bored
[06:57] <stoned> even all this is offtopic
[06:57] <stoned> isn't it
[06:57] <mars2686> (I'm done now)
[06:58] <stoned> out of 300 users or so, no one knows how to do this
[06:58] <stoned> this is amazing
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Its offtopic talking about #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Heh heh
[06:58] <Dr_willis> whats the question?  i missed it.
[06:58] <stoned> oh boy
[06:59] <stoned> 12:38 <          stoned> how do you turn off the icon animation when you click on a folder
[06:59] <stoned> 12:38 <          stoned> its like a transparent folder over it, and gets bigger and bigger because you clicked it
[06:59] <stoned> 12:39 <          stoned> I'd like to turn off all icon animations.  in kcontrol I've set icons > advanced > animations unchecked
[06:59] <stoned> 12:39 <          stoned> I've also restarted konqueror, however it still animates
[07:00] <stoned> please advise.
[07:00] <xsacha> desktop icons do this too btw
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. cant say that ive ever noticed an animation for a folder.
[07:00] <stoned> wow
[07:00] <stoned> I swear to god man
[07:00] <stoned> I am NOT THAT HIGH
[07:00] <stoned> I see it
[07:00] <stoned> right now, I clicked on it and I see it.  Just basic kubuntu default install and updated to 3.5.7
[07:00] <stoned> thats it
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. there is a slighjt flicker/zoom effect it seems. :)
[07:00] <Dr_willis> so fast makes ya wonder why they bothered.
[07:01] <stoned> its annoying
[07:01] <Dr_willis> so annoying - ive never evennoticed it befor. :)
[07:01] <stoned> maybe it isn't annoying to you
[07:01] <monkeybritches> Did you try going into Settings > Appearance & Themes > Icons > and uncheck the 'Animate icons' box?
[07:01] <intelikey> it's annoyed me for the last half hour
[07:01] <stoned> yes I have
[07:01] <Dr_willis> its so fast - i have to watch closely to even notice it.
[07:01] <stoned> that was the first thing I did
[07:02] <stoned> its pretty slow here
[07:02] <stoned> and it slows things down
[07:02] <Dr_willis> low end machine eh?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I dont recall ever seeing that effect on my laptop however...
[07:02] <Dr_willis> let me check it.
[07:03] <stoned> at least the good doctor is willing to help
[07:03] <stoned> praised be the lord
[07:03] <stoned> amen
[07:03] <meis> i do have to give kubuntu this, it does compile things at a decent speed
[07:03] <Dr_willis> could go to 'view -> viewmode -> text mode' :) no icons then
[07:03] <intelikey> :)
[07:03] <xsacha> other than making it slower
[07:03] <n8k99> stoned: kcontrol > Style > Effect> unclick Enable GUI Effects
[07:04] <xsacha> stoned: screenshot: http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/2065/screenyba5.png
[07:04] <stoned> its unckecked to begin with
[07:04] <Dr_willis> n8k99,  i was just THINKING that on the laptop - i ran that kde-firsttime-wizard - and disabled just that.. :) wasent sure where to find it. it had a lot of other 'disable stuff' settings as well.
[07:04] <stoned> xsacha:
[07:04] <stoned> YES!
[07:04] <stoned> help me to turn it off and I will give you a candy bar
[07:04] <meis> btw is the firewall enabled by default in kubuntu?
[07:05] <xsacha> only a candy bar? :(
[07:05] <Dr_willis> meis,  no its not
[07:05] <stoned> dude c'mon
[07:05] <Dr_willis> that setting had no effect here.
[07:05] <meis> thank goodness
[07:05] <stdin> meis: iptables has no rules set by default
[07:05] <Dr_willis> let me check the laptop.
[07:05] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah i sujested that,  but i'm retarded...
[07:05] <stoned> wow
[07:06] <stoned> this guy has no sense of humor either apparantly
[07:06] <stoned> intelikey: I obviously didn't mean you were retarded, but if you want to continue down this road, I'll simply ignore.  Try to grow up a bit
[07:06] <Dr_willis> laptop does it also..  never have noticed that effect.
[07:07] <stdin> enough of the personal attacks.
[07:07] <Best-Bear> I just switched to Kubuntu from Ubuntu recently, I see it comes with IPTables. I don't remeber that being there in Ubuntu
[07:07] <intelikey> and stoned don't get started again.  i know why you said that.     don't worry,  if you can rouse me from that distance   you beet the rest of the world hands down... ;)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> lets see.. whats the name of the kde-wizard that can set a lot of things.
[07:07] <stoned> then quit throwing tha tin my face every 2 minutes
[07:07] <stoned> ffs
[07:07] <stdin> Best-Bear: it was, it's built in to the kernel
[07:07] <stoned> I meant no harm
[07:07] <intelikey> me either,
[07:08] <stoned> xsacha: 2 candy bars?
[07:08] <stoned> c'mon man  :)
[07:08] <xsacha> who needs candy bars
[07:08] <Best-Bear> stdin, Thanks!
[07:09] <intelikey> Best-Bear the app "iptables" is used to control the iptables rules   but iptables "the functionality" is in the kernel on 99.9% linux systems
[07:10] <Best-Bear> iptables controls netfiler stuff in kernel? I'm glad the IPTables default policy is set to ACCEPT,
[07:10] <intelikey> hope that didn't sound confusing
[07:10] <Dr_willis> there we go  kpersonalizer
[07:10] <Dr_willis> !find kpersonalizer
[07:10] <ubotu> Found: kpersonalizer
[07:10] <Dr_willis> !info kpersonalizer
[07:10] <ubotu> kpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 490 kB, installed size 808 kB
[07:11] <Best-Bear> !info netfilter
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Nope still does it. even with it set to the lowest settings for effects
[07:11] <ubotu> Package netfilter does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:12] <intelikey> Best-Bear yes there is an app called "iptables" can be installed or removed   which controls 'iptables rules' the net-filter you spoke of.
[07:12] <Best-Bear> !info net-filter
[07:12] <ubotu> Package net-filter does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:12] <intelikey> no no.   !info iptables
[07:12] <xsacha> !info dolphin
[07:12] <Best-Bear> !info iptables
[07:13] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[07:13] <ubotu> iptables: administration tools for packet filtering and NAT. In component main, is standard. Version 1.3.6.0debian1-5ubuntu2.1 (feisty), package size 365 kB, installed size 1260 kB
[07:13] <intelikey> !firewall
[07:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[07:13] <Best-Bear> ah Thanks intelikey !
[07:13] <mikesss> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G ,,any fix yet?
[07:13] <stoned> 01:11 <            Sho_> stoned: Then I don't think you can turn it off ... the superimposed translcuent growing icon effect is a patch they found on kde-apps and applied
[07:13] <stoned> this is from a kde dev
[07:13] <stoned> seems like a kubuntu issue
[07:14] <Dr_willis> stoned,  highly likely then.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> kubuntu adds a lot of eye-candy/polish/bling
[07:14] <stoned> then does anyone know how to unpatch this crap
[07:14] <stdin> stoned: then ask in #kubuntu-devel
[07:14] <stoned> oh geez
[07:14] <Dr_willis> use the source, and recompile would be one way. (ick)
[07:14] <stoned> this is just like microsoft's BS
[07:14] <stoned> quit deciding things for me
[07:14] <stoned> ffs.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> its possible theres some settting in the .kde dir that disables it. I cant find any luck on it in google.
[07:15] <Dr_willis> deciding?
[07:15] <vsudilov> having trouble with video playback...every 10 or so seconds the video (DVD video, YouTube video, etc) stops for about a quarter of a second and then resumes playing. I'm using xv in kaffeine-xine to watch the dvd by the way
[07:15] <stoned> im talking to kubuntu, not you
[07:15] <stoned> :(
[07:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. thats sort of the main selling point of Kubuntu/Ubuntu.
[07:16] <stoned> yeh
[07:16] <xsacha> stoned: i think you need to download the src(through apt), then run: patch --reverse superimposed-translucent-growing-icon-effect.patch && sudo make install
[07:16] <Dr_willis> heck that is the ONLY point to OS-X :)
[07:16] <stoned> I think I pickedup a wrong distro to use
[07:16] <Lynoure> stoned: if you want less things decided for you, try Debian
[07:16] <Dr_willis> This is Linux - use what you want.
[07:17] <stoned> I've been a debian user
[07:17] <Dr_willis> If you have a very low end box. then you may want to check out the mini disrtos.
[07:17] <stoned> for close to 7-8 years
[07:17] <Dr_willis> but it all depends on your needs.
[07:17] <stoned> I figured i'd give ubuntu a shot
[07:17] <stoned> again
[07:17] <Lynoure> stoned: not everything is for everybody.
[07:18] <stoned> people keep telling me , oh yeah, try 7.04, its the best one blahblah blah
[07:18] <xsacha> superimposed-translucent-growing-icon-effect.patch      has a good 'ring' to it. no wonder they used this
[07:18] <Dr_willis> i do recall the last time i saw some one mention a kubuntu enhancement. there was a  text config file that disable it.. someone knew about
[07:18] <stoned> but why?
[07:18] <Best-Bear> stoned, do you have a "theme manager" under settings -> appearance & themes?
[07:18] <stoned> why put it in?
[07:18] <stoned> its a dumb patch to apply lol
[07:18] <xsacha> it sounds cool stoned
[07:18] <intelikey> stoned there is always that false hype with flavour of the month distros
[07:18] <stoned> xsacha: that it does my friend
[07:18] <Shadow_mil> hey I just installed compiz-fusion, and I don't have any title bars, do I need to install a theme manager like aquamarine or what ever
[07:18] <stoned> that it does :)
[07:18] <stoned> if i could, I'd kick it in the nuts, damn patch :)
[07:19] <stdin> stoned: have you asked in #kubuntu-devel ?
[07:19] <stoned> so which package was this patch applied to/
[07:19] <stoned> stdin: no, since I'm not a developer
[07:19] <Dr_willis> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Icon+execute+feedback?content=52994
[07:19] <Dr_willis> SEEMS to be the patch/change
[07:19] <stdin> stoned: if no one knows here, ask there
[07:19] <Dr_willis> This replaces the zooming rectangle that is drawn if you activate an icon in konqueror for execution feedback. It removes the rectangle and instead zooms the icon bigger and fades it out while doing. It's like MacOS X execution feedback.
[07:19] <monkeybritches> shadow_mil: try emerald
[07:20] <Shadow_mil> I thought that emerald was for gnome?
[07:20] <stoned> Dr_willis: but it looks ugly and is slow and annoying to look at
[07:20] <monkeybritches> works on kde too
[07:20] <stoned> and folder doesn't open until the animation finishes
[07:20] <stdin> Shadow_mil: install compiz-kde
[07:20] <Shadow_mil> stdin, tyy
[07:20] <stoned> Dr_willis: I have a Core 2 Duo 3.5GHz, 1GB RAM, AMD64 Kubuntu 7.04
[07:20] <stoned> by no means is my machien laggy
[07:21] <Dr_willis> stoned,  i got 1/4 that system. and no hassles with it.
[07:21] <stoned> I have X1900XTX video card with fglrx drives and dri
[07:21] <stoned> and yet, this thing is retardedly slow
[07:21] <Dr_willis> I dont use the 64bit disrto however. No need for it.
[07:21] <monkeybritches> I bet you could play a mean game of pong on that
[07:21] <stoned> yes yes
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Hmmm-- reading the patch site/info someone says --->  I've done a simple KControl module that enable/disable the effect. It simply changes the value of VisualActive value into kdeglobals file and then reload the configurations for kdesktop and kicker.
[07:21] <stoned> pong pong :)
[07:21] <Dr_willis> kdeglobals file -->  VisualActive setting.
[07:21] <stoned> Dr_willis: hey speak english
[07:21] <Dr_willis> Time to start grepping.
[07:21] <stoned> I dont speak 'kde'
[07:21] <stoned> ;)
[07:22] <Shadow_mil> ok I installed compiz-kde, do I just run compiz --replace or what?
[07:23] <stdin> Shadow_mil: yeah
[07:24] <Dr_willis> HA ha!
[07:24] <Dr_willis> i found how to tuirn it off... :)
[07:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:25] <Dr_willis> Under the MOUSE SETTINGS
[07:25] <xsacha> lol
[07:25] <Dr_willis> general tab = 'visual feedback on activation'
[07:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:25] <intelikey> where ?       in kcontrol ?
[07:25] <stoned> I think I looked there
[07:25] <Dr_willis> dont belive me then. :)
[07:25] <stoned> oh
[07:25] <Dr_willis> I just disable dit.
[07:25] <stoned> I thought that did something else
[07:26] <xsacha> yeah
[07:26] <xsacha> disables superimposed-translucent-growing-icon-effect
[07:26] <stoned> god
[07:26] <Dr_willis> 3/4 the way down on that  patch conversation they discuss how to change it.. THEN someone says.. why not go to -->      ust open kcontrol then go to Devices->Mouse->Optical Feedback and untick the checkbox
[07:26] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[07:26] <stoned> don't say that again xsacha
[07:26] <stoned> Dr_willis: you are a freaking genius
[07:26] <stoned> dude if i was gay i'd be all over you
[07:26] <Dr_willis> stoned,  I just know how to google and read. :)
[07:26] <Dr_willis> dont tell my wife
[07:27] <Dr_willis> Once ya said it was a patch, from kde-look.org, the rest was easy.
[07:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:27] <stoned> yeh I guess I coulda googled it
[07:27] <stoned> wow
[07:27] <stoned> I made you do my work for me
[07:27] <stoned> that was bad of me, I apologize
[07:27] <Dr_willis> actually google dident do much good.
[07:28] <Dr_willis> the fact i searched the kde-look.org site in the 'enhancements'  area. was the key
[07:28] <stoned> ahh
[07:28] <stoned> yes yes
[07:28] <stoned> enhancements are good
[07:28] <stoned> especially in the upper body area, benchpress, silicone, whatever works
[07:28] <Dr_willis> wonder if kde4 will make them more modulare
[07:28] <stoned> so anyway, I am now goign to recompile ktorrent
[07:28] <stoned> needed to make some changes there
[07:29] <stoned> Dr_willis: thank you again my friend
[07:30] <stoned> you are the freaking man, man.
[07:30] <el_isma> Quick question: In Theory, if I want to reach further away, which wifi channel should I use? The high-freq ones or the low-freq ones?
[07:30] <xsacha> of men
[07:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:31] <Dr_willis> I have gotten quite good at researching. :)
[07:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm neat kio slave --> http://jerrad.tuxfamily.org/kiosysinfo_eng.html
[07:31] <stoned> I got really good at the guitar
[07:31] <Dr_willis> shows system info in a neat way.
[07:31] <intelikey> in theory higher
[07:31] <stoned> thats all I do all day hehe
[07:32] <el_isma> now, in practice, does it make a difference? chan 1 vs chan 11?
[07:32] <intelikey> el_isma but the band is too narrow for it to affect much.   so i'd say 'in theory only'
[07:32] <el_isma> ok, thanks intelikey
[07:32] <intelikey> two point five centimetres
[07:33] <Dr_willis> Oh yea.. cool that  sysinfo:/   kioslave is getting installed on my other kubuntu box's :)
[07:33] <xsacha> stoned: by the way, it happens in KDE4 too.. the superimposed.... effect
[07:34] <Shadow_mil> ok the title bar with compiz-fusion was working, but then the title bars crashed
[07:34] <intelikey> el_isma if there is band interfearance on one end then in practace the other end will reach a little farther,  that is which ever signal is the least inhibited/incumbered is the longest linking signal
[07:35] <xsacha> Dr_willis: i dont think you'll like this...     KDE4: http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/4659/screenyrd6.png
[07:35] <stdin> Shadow_mil: try kde-window-decorator --replace
[07:35] <intelikey> local matters
[07:36] <Dr_willis> xsacha,  so they got the setting there.. :)   bit of an odd place for the setting i think
[07:36] <el_isma> intelikey: Aha. I've heard that recommendation before. Using a non "poluted" channel is better
[07:36] <xsacha> yeah.. does same thing in kde4 too
[07:36] <intelikey> err locale
[07:36] <Dr_willis> xsacha,  if it was visat.. they would have a dozen links from everything else to that tab :)
[07:36] <intelikey> el_isma yes.
[07:36] <Dr_willis> oops Vista. :)
[07:36] <Daisuke_Ido> anyone know just *how* well the intel 3945 chipset is supported?
[07:38] <Daisuke_Ido> and mysql is much more responsive in amarok than sqlite was -_-
[07:38] <xsacha> :)
[07:39] <intelikey> i got that onboard nic working   (mentioned yestergo)   seems the plug had lost partial contact *ribon cable to port*   remove and replug was all it needed...   and i spent two hours on that!   i am retarded !
[07:40] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido sorry   didn't mean to burry your Q.       and no i don't.
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i know there are official drivers, so i'm guessing pretty well supported
[07:41] <intelikey> what is the module name ?
[07:41] <Daisuke_Ido> and since it's offered as the default in the ubuntu series laptops, it better be...
[07:41] <stdin> iwl3945
[07:43] <intelikey> hmmm not much on it in dapper.   but i would think support is growing for it...    (just a guess)
[07:44] <Shadow_mil> Hmmmm
[07:44] <Shadow_mil> their is another problem, my update manager keeps saying that compiz-core needs to be updated, even after I have it update it
[07:45] <stdin> Shadow_mil: tried dist-upgrade ?
[07:45] <Shadow_mil> hmmm, looks like thats going to fix it
[07:46] <Dr_willis> Hit it with a hammer!
[07:46] <intelikey> don't force it.    just use a bigger hammer on it....
[07:47] <intelikey> wonder if that would revive the monitor...
[07:47] <Shadow_mil> woah! ok I got a two sided cube, thats a new one lol
[07:49] <Dr_willis> Night all.........
[07:49] <intelikey> how many sides does a barrel have ?
[07:49] <Daisuke_Ido> by definition, that isn't a cube :P
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: depends on what engine it's being rendered in
[07:50] <dotz> is there a way to access vnc from linux to window's desktop?
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> but the answer is two
[07:50] <intelikey> two,    inside and outside
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> HAH, got in just in time
[07:50] <intelikey> not on my screen
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> [01:51]  <Daisuke_Ido> but the answer is two
[07:50] <Daisuke_Ido> [01:51]  <intelikey> two,    inside and outside
[07:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !paste | Self
[07:51] <ubotu> Self: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:51] <intelikey> yeah but like i said not on mine.
[07:51] <stdin> Daisuke_Ido: 2 lines is ok, more than 3 is pastebin
[07:51] <dotz> !vnc
[07:51] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[07:52] <Best-Bear> dotz, if you cant get vnc working, rdesktop might work for you
[07:53] <codex> hello my adept crash and now the database is lock. and i cant use it. can someone help to to unlock it ?
[07:53] <stdin> !aptfix
[07:53] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:55] <intelikey> what all chars are illegal in linux file names ?
[07:55] <intelikey> just / and null  ?
[07:55] <intelikey> or are there more ?
[07:55] <stdin> depends on the filesystem I think
[07:56] <intelikey> hmmm
[07:56] <stoned> this is turning out to be quite alright
[07:56] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, look at the restricted characters for vfat...
[07:56] <stoned> so far so good in kubuntu
[07:58] <stdin> intelikey: well wikipedia says "All bytes except NUL and '/'"
[08:00] <intelikey> stdin i was thinking that was all   but wasn't sure and was having trubble finding anything definite     google hates me.
[08:02] <sauvin> Kindly assume that anything that isn't a lettre, a digit or an underscore is NOT a good idea for inclusion in a filename under fat of any sort. NTFS, too.
[08:03] <stdin> how about a '.' :p
[08:03] <stdin> it's not a letter, digit or underscore
[08:04] <intelikey> sauvin and -    and #     :)
[08:04] <stdin> and ~
[08:04] <intelikey> that too
[08:05] <vsudilov> how can I get KDE in 1024x768 mode? Highest option in systemsetting is 800x600...
[08:05] <mars2686> what about a : or a ;
[08:05] <intelikey> but i really wasn't concerned with M$ oops's anyway.
[08:05] <stdin> !resolution | vsudilov
[08:06] <ubotu> vsudilov: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:06] <vsudilov> thanks
[08:06] <intelikey> vsudilov you may also be using something like 'vesa' as the driver
[08:06] <intelikey> grep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:07] <morph_> hello all
[08:07] <sauvin> ; is a pathel separator in fat.
[08:07] <sauvin> Erm, I misspoke. An envar separator.
[08:08] <intelikey> so file name can still contain ;
[08:09] <intelikey> touch '/media/bob;bob'       vfat mounted on /media
[08:09] <sauvin> intelikey, yes, as far as I know. I don't consider it a good idea, but I don't remember any concrete reason why not.
[08:10] <stdin> as long as you escape/quote it, I see no problem
[08:10] <intelikey> well i don't like ; in file names because it's a command seperator
[08:10] <sauvin> I live by very simple naming rules under any FS because I have to deal with such a variety. /[a-z_0-9] +/i
[08:11] <kkerwin> Hi, I'm attempting to install a program from source, but cannot run ./configure nor make. There is a configure.in.in and a Makefile.am in the main directory.
[08:11] <sauvin> Not in DOS or Windows, it isn't, just in Unix.
[08:11] <morph_> anyone know who to fix no border with beryl?
[08:11] <intelikey> miss a quote on the third declintion of a var and boomb  you ran the other half of the file name in what ever was happening....
[08:11] <sauvin> In fact, that's not quite true. Unix itself doesn't care (neither does Windows) - it's the SHELL that'll yell at you.
[08:11] <kkerwin> What other routes should I try? Obviously, ./configure && make && sudo make install won't work because there is no ./configure file, and no Makefile.
[08:11] <stdin> kkerwin: why do you need to compile it?
[08:12] <kkerwin> stdin: The program is xpertmud. There are no packages for it.
[08:12] <sauvin> Is there a README or INSTALL?
[08:12] <intelikey> kkerwin look for an installer script
[08:12] <intelikey> anything green in the build dir
[08:12] <intelikey> ?
[08:12] <kkerwin> stdin: I've tried the rpm's available on SF.net, but those don't quite work.
[08:12] <kkerwin> intelikey: One moment ...
[08:13] <vsudilov> !x
[08:13] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:13] <stdin> kkerwin: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (basically you need autoconf/automake)
[08:13] <brad_> hey
[08:13] <brad_> so I have a really simple and straightforward question ^_^
[08:13] <brad_> is there a way to make it so on Kopete when I hit shift+enter it goes down a line instead of sending the message/doing nothing
[08:13] <brad_> I really dont see it
[08:14] <brad_> I realize that is in love with Linux/KDE I am now, I may as well work on the various customization things which aren't how I think they should be (not the customization type)
[08:14] <Shadow_mil> well as cool as compiz is, I think Ill stick with kwin :P
[08:14] <intelikey> "goes down a line" ?
[08:15] <brad_> on MSN messenger, in the typing window, if you hit shift+enter it goes to the next instead of sending the message
[08:15] <brad_> like if you hit enter in a text box
[08:15] <brad_> vs. sending in an instant messenger text box
[08:16] <kkerwin> stdin: automake output: http://rafb.net/p/IYBfJk54.html
[08:16] <kkerwin> intelikey: INSTALL and README just indicate a generic ./configure && make && sudo make install
[08:16] <intelikey> brad_ i wish i knew.
[08:17] <kkerwin> stdin: Rather, autoconf
[08:17] <brad_> lol
[08:17] <kkerwin> stdin: automake apparently calls autoconf, and fails almost exactly the same.
[08:17] <brad_> if its not possible it isnt a big deal
[08:17] <intelikey> kkerwin hmmm    that would seem to say there is something missing.   like the configure script maybe.   or possably they just didn't update the docs
[08:17] <brad_> I just thought I would ask instead of stressing about it
[08:17] <brad_> I think if it was possible without modification it would be easy to find
[08:18] <kkerwin> intelikey: There is a configure.in.in, but not a configure.in
[08:18] <brad_> and for things like that it's really hard to know what to put into google
[08:18] <intelikey> brad_ i don't know if it is or not.  maybe stdin knows
[08:18] <brad_> anyway I am not worried about it, and thank you
[08:18] <kkerwin> intelikey: Nor a configure
[08:18] <monkeybritches> Ctrl-Enter works
[08:19] <intelikey> brad_ ^
[08:19] <monkeybritches> :)
[08:19] <stdin> kkerwin: hmm, is there a Makefile.cvs ?
[08:19] <kkerwin> stdin: No
[08:20] <sauvin> intelikey, don't tell people to look for anything "green". dircolors vary quite a bit, especially among idiots like myself who like to change schemas from time to time.
[08:20] <stdin> kkerwin: hmm, post a "ls" to pastebin
[08:20] <intelikey> kkerwin you got the package patch and not the package ???     just a guess.
[08:20] <kkerwin> stdin: http://rafb.net/p/3ewsX026.html
[08:21] <kkerwin> intelikey: No. Just is straight from SVN
[08:21] <intelikey> sauvin anyone that knows how to change that knows what i meant.
[08:21] <brad_> awesome
[08:21] <brad_> sweet
[08:21] <brad_> TY
[08:21] <brad_> beautiful ;)
[08:21] <brad_> I knew it must be easy
[08:21] <brad_> I didnt even think of trying that
[08:21] <stdin> kkerwin: what does the command "debian/rules" do?
[08:21] <monkeybritches> you're welcome
[08:22] <kkerwin> stdin: http://rafb.net/p/d0k8NJ63.html
[08:23] <stdin> kkerwin: what about "debian/rules build" ?
[08:23] <kkerwin> stdin: Nice! That seems to be running make ...
[08:24] <kkerwin> stdin: Ok. It's configuring now. I'll standby and let you know how it goes.
[08:24] <stdin> kkerwin: gotta love the debian build system :) you should be able to run "debian/rules binary" to make .debs
[08:24] <sauvin> intelikey, that's not necessarily true. I did say IDIOTS like me.
[08:24] <kkerwin> I've never encounter that debian build system before. Very sexy; I'll have to remember that.
[08:25] <sauvin> What just happened? I have ubuntu, which I understand is debian-based.
[08:26] <stdin> kkerwin: actually, for the deb you'll need "fakeroot debian/rules binary"  either fakeroot or sudo
[08:26] <Best-Bear> I can't think of a single word that Rhymes with Debian
[08:26] <kkerwin> stdin: build error: http://rafb.net/p/3JDFVh68.html
[08:26] <sauvin> Plebian.
[08:26] <monkeybritches> plebian
[08:26] <sauvin> Monkeybritches, get outta my head!
[08:26] <monkeybritches> You were in mine first ;)
[08:27] <Best-Bear> lol, thanks
[08:27] <icecruncher> children these days
[08:27] <sauvin> You're saying I just type faster?
[08:27] <stdin> kkerwin: hmm, have you installed kde-devel ?
[08:27] <monkeybritches> I blame lag
[08:27] <sauvin> I was about to say, I type pretty darned slow, even if I say so myself.
[08:27] <intelikey> sauvin you knew, and you said "idiots like you"   so i'll just assume they would know too.
[08:27] <kkerwin> stdin: LOL. Damn, you're good. apt-get says nope.
[08:27] <intelikey> who ever they are.
[08:27] <monkeybritches> My internet connection is two cups and a very long string
[08:28] <sauvin> intelikey, I've met too many people who are rather intrepid about what buttons they click in customising their computers and then find they can't interpret the screens.
[08:28] <stdin> kkerwin: it's a hefty download, but should get everything you need
[08:28] <kkerwin> monkeybritches: What's that, I can't hear you.
[08:28] <sauvin> "Mary had a little lamp; its fleece was bright as blow..."
[08:28] <monkeybritches> Let me yell it in your ear horn...
[08:29] <monkeybritches> Earhorns will make a comeback, wait and see
[08:29] <intelikey> sauvin hehhe   yeah   that "pointy clicky thingy" will do that to ya     hehhe
[08:29] <sauvin> so you understand what I'm saying. Speaking as a former engineer, assumptions are the bane of a great many support channel miscommunications.
[08:30] <intelikey> yeah     and *buntu runs solely on assumptions and violenteer support
[08:30] <kkerwin> stdin: Ok, another error ... I think the same one: http://rafb.net/p/b4Oj2m31.html
[08:31] <sauvin> it runs, and while it's not as stable as fedora core, it's stable enough and it's a crapload faster.
[08:31] <stdin> kkerwin: where did you download it from?
[08:32] <kkerwin> stdin: SVN ... https://xpertmud.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/xpertmud/trunk
[08:32] <icecruncher> sauvin: *buntu?
[08:33] <icecruncher> sauvin: bit bugy for my tastes
[08:33] <intelikey> :)
[08:33] <codex> hello and anybody tell me how to turn on syntax hightlighting in konsole ?
[08:33] <sauvin> I've actually not had much trouble with bugs.
[08:34] <sauvin> the ONE grief I have with it is that the !@#$@%# won't save my !@#$@%#@$ Konsole settings between reboots.
[08:34] <icecruncher> lol
[08:34] <icecruncher> well, my experience was with kubutnu was#$#@
[08:34] <intelikey> edit your konsole settings save as default
[08:35] <sauvin> I've kept Fedora Core, and I'm still considering what I want to do with it, but I've not used it at all in about a month (Windows, alas, collects dust in another partition...)
[08:35] <sauvin> Um, yes, did that. it doesn't apparently save.
[08:35] <icecruncher> try pclos lol
[08:35] <sauvin> What's pclos?
[08:35] <kkerwin> codex: By syntax highlighting, you mean highlighting for a program that you're writing?
[08:35] <intelikey> that sounds like a bug
[08:35] <sauvin> It might be. Fedora Core doesn't do that. It just does the Right Thing.
[08:35] <intelikey> codex sauvin may know
[08:36] <sauvin> Thing is, Fedora Core does it... oh... any time now... whereas Ubuntu, so far, has taken a BEATING and keeps running nicely.
[08:36] <icecruncher> sauvin: it's PCLinuxOs another distro also on kde
[08:36] <intelikey> sauvin dapper's konsole works too
[08:36] <sauvin> I like feisty.
[08:36] <icecruncher> sauvin: so did I
[08:37] <sauvin> "did"?
[08:37] <codex> yes
[08:37] <kkerwin> codex: I'm sorry, was that a yes to my question?
[08:37] <icecruncher> my old i386 keept commiting suicide
[08:37] <codex> yes
[08:37] <codex> kkerwin: yes to your question
[08:38] <sauvin> See, part of ubuntu's "instability" or "bugginess" is in its being a bit more avant-garde; Fedora Core STILL has trouble with my graphics card, and the newest version won't deal with it at all, whereas Ubuntu saw it, configure it, and ran with it.
[08:38] <sauvin> I might know what?
[08:38] <kkerwin> codex: K. Uhm, I'm not sure about konsole, because it only runs editors, like vi, that handle the highlighting.
[08:38] <kkerwin> codex: You may wish to try kate
[08:39] <codex> yeah i just remember its VI.
[08:39] <kkerwin> codex: You will find highlighting in the tools menu on kate
[08:39] <codex> for some reason i just like using the console to work
[08:39] <intelikey> ah syntax highlighting in vim  that's different
[08:39] <stdin> intelikey: what? you've never done: echo "#!/bin/sh ......" :p
[08:39] <sauvin> Konsole is an xterm-like thing.
[08:39] <Assid> heya
[08:39] <intelikey> stdin i didn't say never,    i said i don't do a lot of it...   there is a differance
[08:40] <kkerwin> stdin: What's the status? :D
[08:40] <stdin> kkerwin: I'm trying to see if I can compile it
[08:40] <sauvin> And yes, kate is a wonderful editor.
[08:40] <kkerwin> stdin: Cool.
[08:41] <intelikey> hmmm i don't have vi installed
[08:41] <Assid> hey stdin
[08:41] <kkerwin> codex: Hmm. So long as you have the proper extensions on the file (ie: .cpp, .c, .py), vim should do it automagically.
[08:41] <stdin> hey Assid
[08:42] <Assid> stdin: your good with vpn ?
[08:42] <stdin> kkerwin: heh, I just looked at the README: "Install like any other KDE2 Program" < we're on KDE3 now
[08:43] <stdin> Assid: nope, never needed to use it, so I have no knowledge
[08:43] <kkerwin> stdin: Heh, yeah, I saw that too. AND ... we're waiting oh-so-patiently for KDE4. :D
[08:43] <stdin> Assid: seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD ?
[08:43] <sauvin> Me widdle heart go pi'a'pa' waiting a couple of years for KDE4 to stabilise.
[08:43] <stdin> kkerwin: the last changelog entry is from 2002-01-01
[08:44] <kkerwin> stdin: In the readme, or in the rest of the program?
[08:44] <stdin> kkerwin: in the ChangeLog
[08:44] <CraZy675> I have an external drive formatted in ntfs.  I connect the drive and it asks if I would like to open a new window so I click ok and the window never pops up. what should I do now?
[08:45] <CraZy675> I only want to read the drive not write
[08:45] <kkerwin> stdin: As in the changelog hasn't been updated in that long? Damn ...
[08:46] <sauvin> CraZy675, does that partition automount? If so, you'll see it in /media
[08:46] <kkerwin> stdin: According to the SF page, it's been updated recently, so I'm not too worried.
[08:46] <Agent_bob> konsole command#    sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media ;konqueror 'file:///media/'
[08:46] <Assid> stdin: thats for the daemon
[08:47] <CraZy675> sauvin: the drive does not show up in /media
[08:47] <kkerwin> stdin: SF has RPM builds from 2007-04-21 ... I just can't get them to work since they appear to have been compiled on a different distro.
[08:47] <CraZy675> I do see the drive in "Disk & Filesystems"
[08:48] <stdin> kkerwin: it says on the website "In order to successfully use Xpertmud, you need KDE 2.x."
[08:48] <kkerwin> stdin: Damn.
[08:48] <sauvin> kkerwin, that's not surprising. rpm is RED HAT.
[08:48] <CraZy675> it doesn't recognize the ntfs drive
[08:48] <CraZy675> do I need to install something?
[08:48] <kkerwin> sauvin: Oh, duh. :-D
[08:49] <Agent_bob> what does xpertmud does ?
[08:49] <yeniklasor> How can I use a spesific java version when I start a program that works with old java.
[08:50] <stdin> kkerwin: we'll see if alien can handle it
[08:50] <kkerwin> Agent_bob: It is a MUD client. It connects to online role-playing games.
[08:50] <Agent_bob> kkerwin what does that app do ?
[08:50] <Agent_bob> !info gnome-mud
[08:50] <ubotu> gnome-mud: The GNOME MUD client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10.7-1build2 (feisty), package size 363 kB, installed size 1272 kB
[08:51] <kkerwin> Agent_bob: I might take a look at that, if xpertmud doesn't fly.
[08:51] <kkerwin> Agent_bob: Thank you, though.
[08:51] <stdin> !find mud
[08:51] <ubotu> Found: gnome-mud, gpmudmon-applet, koalamud, lib64mudflap0, libmudflap0 (and 4 others)
[08:52] <intelikey> ooooops
[08:53] <burgos> vale, funviona
[08:53] <sauvin> I've been told that alien is a bit dangerous.
[08:53] <stdin> kkerwin: you can try converting the rpm to a deb, install "alien" and run "fakeroot alien xpertmud-3.0-svn20070421.i386.rpm" (or use sudo)
[08:53] <intelikey> we are experancing some turbulance, but the wings havent folded up yet so don't panic...
[08:55] <Assid> stdin: how do i get nm-applet ? it doesnt seem to come on my startup
[08:56] <kkerwin> stdin: Ok. That works so far. Now I need to try and get python scripting ...
[08:57] <stdin> Assid: network-manager  ?
[08:57] <Assid> eah you know the one that says "wired connection" etc ... and sits in your system tray ?
[08:57] <Assid> as soon as you install kubuntu for the first time
[08:57] <stdin> knetworkmanager
[08:58] <stdin> ^ that's the command too
[08:58] <Assid> hrmm hung process
[08:58] <CraZy675> how do i mount a drive so I "the user" can read it without being root?
[08:59] <Assid> hrmm its broken.. i go to configure vpn.. and it just sits there mocking me.. does nothing
[08:59] <stdin> CraZy675: couple ways, from fstab add the "user" option, or from mount use "-o uid=$(id -u)"
[09:00] <CraZy675> stdin: thanks
[09:00] <stdin> Assid: try "sudo killall knetworkmanager" then restart it
[09:01] <Assid> stdin: yeah i got it in the system tray.. but the vpn configuration doesnt pop up
[09:02] <stdin> that from Options > Configure ?
[09:02] <kkerwin> stdin: grr ... all the paths are screwed up
[09:06] <kraut> moin
[09:06] <stdin> kkerwin: try kildclient or gnome-mud, xpertmud seems to be a lost cause on anything except on RPM distros
[09:06] <kkerwin> stdin: Ok. Thank you again for your help.
[09:07] <stdin> :)
[09:07] <kkerwin> stdin: For your sake, I'm sorry that this was a waste of time.
[09:08] <stdin> kkerwin: you act like you don't know I love compiling from cvs :p
[09:09] <kkerwin> stdin: I see. You like to live life on the bleeding edge. Well, next time I hit  the Appalachian Trail, I'll be sure to invite you along if that's your kind of adventure. :)
[09:09] <stdin> kkerwin: I wouldn't be running gutsy if I didn't :)
[09:10] <kkerwin> stdin: Cool. Thanks again, and be well.
[09:12] <yeniklasor> How can start a java software with spesific java in another path ?
[09:14] <stdin> yeniklasor: you could just 'update-alternatives --config java' or put the path to the java you want before the command. what application?
[09:17] <Assid> stdin: kvpnc .. worked
[09:18] <Assid> had to guess a few things.. but it worked
[09:18] <stdin> Assid: I'll try getting info on that added to ubotu
[09:18] <stdin> all it has now is:
[09:18] <stdin> !vpn
[09:18] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[09:19] <Assid> hrmm gotta update that
[09:19] <Assid> !vpnc
[09:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vpnc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:19] <Assid> probably add that to vpnc for the client
[09:19] <stdin> and that's a year old page...
[09:19] <Assid> yeah
[09:19] <Assid> and there is also this page: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-ubuntu.phtml
[09:19] <Assid> however that didnt work out too good for me.. cant configure vpn there
[09:20] <Assid> kvpnc did a brilliant job
[09:21] <Assid> stupid grub-reboot..
[09:21] <Assid> i tried grub-reboot 1 .. it doesnt boot into the new kernel.. i tried 2 .. doesnt.. wtf do i have to do to make it boot to that without making it the default?
[09:22] <stdin> Assid: have you set grub to use "saved" in menu.lst?
[09:22] <codex> hello i would like to know if wirless card is working. is there a program i can u to check if its working ?
[09:22] <Assid> yeah i got savedefault to the entries
[09:23] <stdin> Assid: no, at the top, like "default         saved"
[09:23] <Assid> no
[09:23] <stdin> codex: do you have a wireless network around you ?
[09:23] <stdin> Assid: that's what you need then
[09:23] <Assid> i need that?
[09:23] <codex> yeah
[09:24] <stdin> codex: does the knetworkmanager applet in the system tray see it ?
[09:24] <Assid> so the 2nd entry would be 1 ?
[09:24] <Assid> or 2 ?
[09:24] <stdin> Assid: the 2nd entry (the recovery mode one) will be 1, the 2nd kernel will be 3
[09:24] <codex> no
[09:25] <Assid> so 0 based index?
[09:25] <stdin> codex: what wireless card/chipset ?
[09:25] <codex> how can i get my wireless set up
[09:25] <stdin> Assid: yeah, the whole of grub is
[09:25] <codex> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01)
[09:25] <codex> thats what iam seeing
[09:25] <Assid> i keep forgetting what is and what isnt :(
[09:25] <codex> but iam not using a dell computer
[09:26] <stdin> codex: ah, broadcom... hold on a sec
[09:26] <codex> ok
[09:27] <stdin> codex: what model dell exactly ?
[09:27] <stdin> codex: oh, you said not dell :p
[09:28] <stdin> is that a  Compaq Presario or something ?
[09:28] <codex> no its a lenovo
[09:30] <codex> i used to get the bcm43xx error but when i install the new 2.6.20-16 kernel i didn't get the error anymore
[09:31] <stdin> bcm43xx is only for the broadcom 43.. series
[09:31] <codex> is there a tutorial you can refere me to so i can set up the wireless
[09:32] <stdin> codex: do you have internet access on it (wired) ?
[09:32] <codex> yes
[09:34] <stdin> codex: looks like you need to use ndiswrapper
[09:34] <codex> ok thanks
[09:35] <stdin> codex: this driver should work <http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?softwareitem=ob-45290-1&lc=en&cc=sg&dlc=en&product=3245619&os=228&lang=en>
[09:35] <yeniklasor> How to change system's java path ?
[09:35] <stdin> codex: then look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[09:36] <stdin> yeniklasor, you could just 'update-alternatives --config java' or put the path to the java you want before the command. what application?
[09:36] <codex> thanks
[09:37] <yeniklasor> stdin : A new app for Pardus, that didn't worked with my java. "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: bdp_mf"...
[09:37] <stdin> yeniklasor: what java version do you have?
[09:38] <yeniklasor> under "opt/" latest version
[09:38] <yeniklasor> which java says "/usr/bin/java"
[09:39] <yeniklasor> Software suggests "j2re-1_4_2_14-linux-i586.bin"
[09:39] <yeniklasor> I don't like java :D
[09:40] <stdin> yeniklasor: put the path to the java bin dir (like /opt/java/bin) in your path. like "export path=/opt/java/bin:$PATH" then it should use that one
[09:40] <stdin> yeniklasor: erm "export PATH=/opt/java/bin:$PATH" (PATH need to be upper case)
[09:41] <dotz> !photoshop
[09:41] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[09:44] <dotz> what's the replacement inblinux for microsoft outlook web access?
[09:44] <dotz> what's the replacement in linux for microsoft outlook web access?
[09:46] <stdin> what does it do exactly?
[09:46] <yeniklasor> stdin : it really worked! thanks you are my hero (only we couldn't get work wireless) :)
[09:46] <stdin> :)
[09:47] <stdin> dotz: ?
[09:55] <Tyro> Will Kubuntu Function reasonably fast on a 900MHz CPU and 512MB RAM with a Flash Memory HDD
[09:56] <stdin> Tyro: you'll probably have to disable some of the KDE effects, but it's ran on less powerful systems before
[09:56] <stdin> Tyro: you'll probably want to install with the alternate CD too
[09:56] <Tyro> yeah, i don't mid, there are far to many effects in Kubuntu for my personal prefrance
[09:56] <Tyro> alternate?
[09:57] <stdin> !alternate
[09:57] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[09:57] <Tyro> ohh, i remember now
[09:57] <stdin> ..text mode
[09:57] <Tyro> I'll be back after i've had dinner
[09:57] <Tyro> BBL
[09:57] <Tyro> nick/tyro-away
[09:57] <Tyro> oops
[09:57] <Tyro> anyway BBL
[09:57] <stdin> don't use away nick changes...
[10:01] <dev_> i have akeyboard problem it types multiple char when key is pressed
[10:03] <Assid> stdin: hows your kernel knowledge.. for source compiled?
[10:03] <Assid> Clocksource tsc unstable (del
[10:04] <stdin> Assid: errm, I can compile one, doesn't mean I know how it works :p
[10:05] <stdin> Assid: are you compiling a ubuntu kernel or a stock kernel ?
[10:05] <Assid> stock kernel onto a debian/etch box
[10:08] <stdin> Assid: pentum m ?
[10:08] <Assid> nah.. xeon 3060
[10:09] <stdin> try booting with "clocksource=acpi_pm"
[10:10] <Assid> yeah am just rebooting it to the older kernel first..
[10:10] <Assid> i wanna check something
[10:11] <Assid> its one of those dedicated servers :|
[10:11] <stdin> seems to be something to do with CPU frequency scaling
[10:11] <Assid> yeah but i disabled that
[10:11] <Assid> its not enabled in the kernel
[10:11] <Assid> i read something about the core2's having some kind of different cpu ticker
[10:14] <yeniklasor> stdin : Trying my laptop with Kubuntu live cd, it is working with wireless fine. You know yesterday I had formatted my laptop with Ubuntu server edition (then installed kubuntu-desktop on it). But it doesn't work with wireless. There must be a cure.
[10:14] <stdin> yeniklasor: what card/chipset
[10:15] <yeniklasor> :D
[10:17] <yeniklasor> intel pro wireless 3945a/b/g 802.11a/b/g WLAN with bluetooth
[10:17] <stdin> hmm intel...
[10:17] <brozz87> hello :)
[10:18] <stdin> yeniklasor: the "iwl3945" driver should work with that
[10:18] <stdin> !hi | brozz87
[10:18] <ubotu> brozz87: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:18] <yeniklasor> on only a driver, Now checking it
[10:19] <stdin> should be in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko
[10:19] <alex21432> hey!
[10:19] <alex21432> guys, how can I see how much free space is there on my hard disk?
[10:19] <alex21432> thanks
[10:19] <Best-Bear> df -h
[10:19] <stdin> alex21432: in konsole there is "df -h"
[10:19] <alex21432> thanks guys!!
[10:20] <Best-Bear> df -hF ext3
[10:20] <Best-Bear> thats if you just want to see linux file systems
[10:20] <alex21432> great!
[10:20] <pekuja> isn't there an easy way to view that from Konqueror or something?
[10:20] <pekuja> not that df -h isn't good. just curious
[10:21] <brozz87> thanks ubot :)
[10:21] <Best-Bear> I dont use Konq much
[10:21] <chx> is it possible to select a rectangle with  kate / ktexteditor?
[10:21] <brozz87> sorry but i'm italian and i don't speak english very well :)
[10:22] <stdin> yeniklasor: I think that the driver is only in the 2.6.22 kernel
[10:22] <pekuja> chx, why would you want to select a rectangle? O__o
[10:22] <stdin> !it | brozz87
[10:22] <ubotu> brozz87: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:23] <brozz87> yes, i know! But on italian community the presence of users are very noise and low
[10:23] <chx> why it's o_O ? i can show you editors from twenty years ago that were capable of this... for example when manually resolving a failed diff, it's hand to be able to delete the first column
[10:23] <yeniklasor> stdin : but kubuntu live cd is 2.6.15 and working fine
[10:24] <stdin> yeniklasor: hmm
[10:24] <pekuja> chx, ok, I see (and sorry, I don't have the answer)
[10:24] <Tyro> BACK!
[10:24] <pekuja> chx, if I were doing that, I'd probably write a script to delete the first column for me
[10:24] <chx> say, the joe editor has Rectangle (columnar) block mode-
[10:25] <chx> that's very uncomfy
[10:25] <stdin> yeniklasor: I think the server kernel and desktop kernel in edgy are different... that could explain it
[10:25] <yeniklasor> may be
[10:25] <chx> oh, and nedit is able.
[10:26] <chx> i am however in love with KATE
[10:26] <chx> pity
[10:26] <stdin> yeniklasor: you can do a desktop install and just install server components on that
[10:26] <yeniklasor> But I was about love command line :)
[10:27] <stdin> yeniklasor: so stop KDM from starting
[10:27] <yeniklasor> :D
[10:28] <yeniklasor> How to go youtube then :)
[10:29] <stdin> yeniklasor: " X :0 & DISPLAY=:0 firefox" :)
[10:30] <yeniklasor> :S with termanal login ?
[10:30] <stdin> yeah, why not?
[10:30] <yeniklasor> ctrl+alt+f3 ing now :)
[10:31] <stdin> yeniklasor: you'll want to change :0 to :1 (seeing as X is already running on :0)
[10:31] <yeniklasor> ok
[10:31] <stdin> yeniklasor: and it only works if you have firefox installed...
[10:32] <yeniklasor> tried wity konqueror
[10:33] <stdin> and flash
[10:33] <yeniklasor> there is no title button
[10:33] <yeniklasor> half of browser out of window
[10:33] <stdin> yeniklasor: yeah, that's because you need a window manager too
[10:33] <yeniklasor> kwin ?
[10:34] <stdin> yeniklasor: yeah
[10:34] <yeniklasor> X :0 & &KWIN DISPLAY=:0 firefox
[10:34] <yeniklasor> :D
[10:34] <trekdanne> hmm exactly what's the point of not starting up the whole KDE? too slow?
[10:35] <paulc87> whats going on guys
[10:35] <stdin> trekdanne: it's for a server
[10:35] <paulc87> about to install my first copy of kub :D
[10:36] <dev_> i have akeyboard problem it types multiple char when key is presse
[10:36] <hangthedj> i had a keyboard problem like that once, it was in the early 90s and i had the dos keypress virus
[10:38] <trekdanne> hangthedj: lol no idea there were such viri
[10:38] <stdin> yeniklasor: the full command would be "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; kwin & firefox" or you can just do "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; kwin & xterm" and start firefox from there
[10:38] <codex> hello i run iwconfig commad this is the output iam getting http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7416d181
[10:39] <paulc87> is there anything better about kde than gnome?
[10:39] <stdin> codex: that's because you haven'r connected to any network yet
[10:39] <paulc87> they are both desktop GUIs right?
[10:40] <stdin> paulc87: it's KDE, that makes it better :p
[10:40] <codex> stdin: the i thought it supposed to be wlan0
[10:40] <alexandros> hello!
[10:40] <stdin> paulc87: take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME
[10:40] <codex> stdin: but iam seeing eth1
[10:40] <alexandros1> I just plugged a usb external hard disk to my kubuntu box
[10:40] <paulc87> thanks for the links
[10:40] <stdin> codex: no, it doesn't actually matter
[10:40] <codex> ok
[10:41] <codex> and how to i go about connecting to a wirless network
[10:41] <alexandros1> a screen came on asking me what to do and I said "open in new window"  but nothing ever happened
[10:41] <Best-Bear> paul: I was a long time gnome user, it's good, but I kept finding myself running KDE apps like Konsole, K3b, Krita, I think it's the apps that make it better
[10:41] <codex> what program do i use ?
[10:41] <alexandros1> where is a usb disk usualy mounted in kubuntu?
[10:41] <paulc87> bear i thought that the 2 were just different visuals, or ways of presenting them, etc
[10:41] <stdin> alexandros1: look in /media
[10:42] <stdin> codex: is it connected now? (wired)
[10:42] <trekdanne>  /media/disk IIRC
[10:42] <alexandros1> stdin: I already looked there but there's no disk
[10:42] <codex> stdin: yes
[10:42] <dev_> i have akeyboard problem it types multiple char when key is presse
[10:42] <stdin> trekdanne: the name depends on the device
[10:42] <dev_> i have a keyboard problem it types multiple char when key is presse
[10:42] <dev_> example: wwwwwdfgshjjjjjjjjklcvbbbbbbbbb
[10:42] <trekdanne> stdin: ah ok.
[10:42] <dev_> how do i solve it
[10:43] <stdin> codex: do you see a little white icon in the system tray?
[10:43] <yeniklasor> stdin : both commands didn't worked. Maybe I must kill display=:1 ? if yes how
[10:43] <Best-Bear> Paul, they are written in different languages gnome=C KDE=C++, and use different toolkits to build them GTK vs Qt
[10:43] <alexandros1> should I create a directory in /media ?
[10:44] <stdin> yeniklasor: switch to the terminal and press Ctrl-C, then probably "kill %1"
[10:44] <codex> stdin: i am seeing something that supposed to be an ethernet end. is that what u talking about ?
[10:44] <stdin> codex: yep, right click that
[10:44] <codex> ok
[10:44] <codex> i did
[10:44] <stdin> see anything in there?
[10:45] <codex> stdin: wireless networks: no wirless networks found
[10:45] <stdin> codex: what does "iwlist eth1 scan" show ?
[10:46] <codex> stdin: eth1 no scan results
[10:47] <stdin> codex: is there a switch for the wireless? and is it on?
[10:47] <codex> what do u mean. the wireless card are the router ?
[10:47] <stdin> the wireless card
[10:48] <codex> stdin: what the "iwlist  eth1 scan" supposed to show ?
[10:48] <stdin> codex: it scans for access points
[10:49] <codex> ok thank. i think i figured it out now
[10:50] <stdin> trekdanne: try looking in System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem
[10:51] <yeniklasor> stdin : "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; kwin & firefox" not working, (only a cursor)
[10:51] <Tabmows> is there a terminal around which acts like putty?
[10:52] <Tabmows> like when you select text it automatically copies?
[10:52] <stdin> Tabmows: konsole?
[10:52] <stdin> yeniklasor: anything printed on the terminal?
[10:52] <trekdanne> Tabmows: that should be standard behavor for a X11 app
[10:52] <yeniklasor> no nothing
[10:52] <stdin> Tabmows: middle click to paste
[10:53] <yeniklasor> after kill it there is comethings on terminal, anyway to page up ?
[10:53] <Tabmows> ahhh ok cool, it's a laptop so the middle click threw me off
[10:53] <trekdanne> stdin: hmm is that just KDED automount magic or is it connected to /etc/fstab ?
[10:54] <stdin> trekdanne: it's fstab, but you should have had a prompt to mount the partition(s) on the external drive when you inserted it
[10:54] <stdin> yeniklasor: shift + PageUp
[10:56] <trekdanne> stdin: hmm yea. that's the KDED Automount magic... but I still don't understand how it's connected to udevd and stuff :P
[10:56] <Santzschies> hola!
[10:57] <yeniklasor> stdin : "errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server"  and some fonts warnings and wacom warnings
[10:57] <trekdanne> !es | Santzscies
[10:57] <ubotu> Santzscies: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:57] <stdin> yeniklasor: change :0 to :1
[10:57] <stdin> yeniklasor: as you already have X running on :0
[10:58] <yeniklasor> didn't work again (and I was reboot and login directly to konsole)
[10:59] <stdin> yeniklasor: ok, does "X :0 & export DISPLAY=:0 ; xterm" work (and open xterm)?
[11:00] <yeniklasor> no
[11:01] <stdin> yeniklasor: hmm...
[11:01] <stdin> yeniklasor: how about "X :0 & sleep 5; export DISPLAY=:0 ; xterm" ?
[11:07] <alexandros1> how can I mount an ntfs hard disk for read-write access?
[11:07] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | alexandros1
[11:07] <ubotu> alexandros1: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[11:07] <alexandros1> thanks
[11:07] <yeniklasor> stdin : sorry I was writing ":" instead of ";"  all of them worked :$
[11:07] <stdin> heh :p
[11:07] <yeniklasor> a few question : what if I didn't install kubuntu-desktop, will X work without it?
[11:07] <stdin> yeniklasor: you'd just have to install the "xorg" package
[11:07] <Best-Bear> yeniklasor, this is a minimal install guide to KDE that works pretty well ,  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[11:09] <czer323> Any suggested players for sid, nfs, spc, rgm or rsn files?  It's the common formats for c64, nes, snes and sega music.
[11:09] <czer323> I was hoping to get them to play in Amarok with an additional plugin or something.
[11:10] <stdin> maybe mplayer? don't know for sure, but mplayer normally plays everything I throw at it
[11:10] <sauvin> Why would tab completion stop working?
[11:11] <alexandros1> hmmm... I installed ntfs-3g and "enabled write support for external device" . however, when I mount my external drive as:  mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /media/maxtor   it's still in read only mode :(
[11:12] <stdin> alexandros1: yes, because yo have to use -t ntfs-3g
[11:13] <alexandros1> I did that and I got an error :/
[11:13] <yeniklasor> OK. "X :0" what is 0 ? if I wrote 99 instead of 0 ?
[11:13] <stdin> yeniklasor: it's the display number, an identifier
[11:13] <sauvin> czer323, i can't help w ith the other formats, but you need a sidplayer for sid files.
[11:13] <alexandros1> It says "Mount is denied because NTFS logfile is unclean. "
[11:14] <stdin> alexandros1: then you need to chdsk it
[11:14] <stdin> *chkdsk
[11:14] <alexandros1> wont it mess my hard disk up?
[11:14] <stdin> it's the tool windows uses to scan the filesystem for errors
[11:15] <yeniklasor> I'm killing to X with "ctrl+alt+backspace" is it true way ?
[11:15] <alexandros1> oh sorry I misunderstood
[11:15] <stdin> yeniklasor: well, it's the only way without a display manager
[11:16] <Best-Bear> yeniklasorthat will work, save your open files first
[11:16] <Best-Bear> you may need "startx" if your display manager doesnt start
[11:16] <stdin> Best-Bear: he doesn't want a display manager
[11:16] <Best-Bear> oh
[11:20] <zeno> when i try to install sun java jre i get this:
[11:20] <zeno> E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java6-jre package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch)
[11:20] <zeno> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root?
[11:20] <zeno> what shouold i do?
[11:20] <stdin> zeno: how are you installing it?
[11:20] <SlimeyPe1e> what are you using? apt-get? aptitiude? adept?
[11:20] <yeniklasor> sudo ?
[11:21] <zeno> yup sudo
[11:21] <zeno> aptitude
[11:21] <stdin> zeno: what version of kubuntu do you have?
[11:22] <stdin> dapper/edgy/feisty?
[11:23] <zeno> feisty
[11:23] <yeniklasor> apt-get
[11:23] <yeniklasor> :D
[11:23] <stdin> zeno: you have multiverse enabled?
[11:26] <zeno> yeniklasor: ah thanks apt-get saved me! sudo apt-get -f install
[11:26] <zeno> stdin: fixd
[11:27] <yeniklasor> stdin : look at to me! in your way :-)
[11:27] <stdin> hehe
[11:27] <zeno> and someone else had told me aptitude was better XD
[11:29] <linuxcrazy> anyone familiar with openbravo and ubuntu?
[11:29] <adenicio> stdin: where could i change how much feisty uses v-memory?because it slowing down and only 22% of the hdd is use
[11:30] <linuxcrazy> good morning linescanner
[11:31] <stdin> adenicio: /proc/sys/vm/swappiness controls the preference for swap, tho the default is normally best
[11:32] <yeniklasor> on command line is it possible to copy something from a text file and paste it to command line ?
[11:32] <czer323> use shift-insert to paste on a console
[11:33] <stdin> yeniklasor: you can install gpm to use the mouse to copy/paste in the terminal
[11:33] <yeniklasor> ok thanks
[11:36] <linuxcrazy> I've been fiddling with x64 flash for firefox, anyone make nspluginwrapper work for this?
[11:36] <yeniklasor> gpm really hot
[11:40] <yeniklasor> stdin : Audio from command line with mplayer really hot. But how can I work with other things without kill it ?
[11:40] <czer323> screen?
[11:40] <stdin> yeniklasor: you'll want to use screen
[11:40] <yeniklasor> is it a player ?
[11:41] <stdin> no
[11:41] <stdin> !screen
[11:41] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[11:41] <yeniklasor> ok
[11:41] <stdin> yeniklasor: it lets you have multiple shells and sessions in one terminal
[11:41] <linuxcrazy> night all
[11:43] <trekdanne> can't you just run it in the background, "mplayer -quiet my_music.mp3 &" ?
[11:44] <stdin> screen is nicer
[11:44] <xst> Does there exist a kde frontend for tracker?
[11:44] <trekdanne> yea, ofc you're right stdin
[11:44] <stdin> xst: kde uses strigi
[11:44] <Tm_T> screen <3
[11:44] <xst> stdin: Also in gutsy?
[11:45] <stdin> xst: yes
[11:45] <xst> ok
[11:45] <xst> why not tracker?
[11:45] <trekdanne> !tracker
[11:45] <ubotu> Services to index files for fast searching include: Beagle (front-ends: beagle, catfish, gnome-main-menu, mozilla-beagle for !GNOME; kerry, kio-beagle for !KDE; beaglefs for !CLI) - Tracker (tracker-search-tool, libdeskbar-tracker for GNOME; tracker-utils for CLI) - Strigi (strigi-applet, strigi-client for KDE, strigi-utils for CLI) - Kat (for KDE) - Pinot (and pinot-applet for GNOME) - Doodle (for CLI)
[11:45] <Tm_T> my longest irc-uptime has been over a year <3
[11:45] <adenicio> stdin: mandatory --port argument is missing.wat to that mean?
[11:45] <trekdanne> Tm_T: OH WOW
[11:46] <Tm_T> trekdanne: not much wow, it was that short because of hardware failure in server
[11:46] <adenicio> stdin: mandatory --port argument is missing.wat to that mean?
[11:46] <stdin> adenicio: from what?
[11:46] <yeniklasor> stdin : screen opened kubuntu login window a few second later
[11:46] <Tm_T> yeniklasor: yes
[11:46] <trekdanne> Tm_T: :P
[11:46] <yeniklasor> why
[11:46] <rossi> fala ae galera
[11:47] <rossi> alguem do brasil?
[11:47] <stdin> !br | rossi
[11:47] <ubotu> rossi: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[11:47] <xst> I cannot install strigi: strigi-daemon: Depends: dbus-x11 but it is not installable
[11:48] <xst> what to do?
[11:48] <adenicio> stdin: in the konsole i try to run doscan and it said that
[11:48] <rossi> onde fika os canais em portugues?
[11:49] <stdin> adenicio: maybe see "man doscan"
[11:50] <yeniklasor> ctrl+alt+f1/f2/f3/f4/f5/f6  launchs different command lines (tty2...)
[11:50] <stdin> yeniklasor: you can do that if you want
[11:51] <yeniklasor> screen opens kubuntu login screen
[11:51] <stdin> you mean KDM?
[11:51] <yeniklasor> yes
[11:51] <Tm_T> yeniklasor: yes, and you can start app there, then detach from it, it keeps running there...
[11:51] <Tm_T> wha?
[11:51] <stdin> hmm
[11:52] <gaara> i need help
[11:52] <gaara> anyone free to help me?
[11:52] <stdin> !ask
[11:52] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:52] <Tm_T> gaara: well, our help is mostly free
[11:52] <gaara> ooh...eager to help eh? :P
[11:52] <gaara> ok..
[11:52] <Tm_T> gaara: sometimes you might be asked to help others too :)
[11:52] <gaara> i have a problem with my wireless
[11:52] <yeniklasor> me too :)
[11:52] <gaara> im not able to keep my eth1 on
[11:52] <gaara> as soon as i switch it on it goes off
[11:53] <gaara> am using feisty
[11:53] <yeniklasor> which chipset of wireless
[11:53] <gaara> broadcom
[11:53] <yeniklasor> :D
[11:53] <stdin> what model broadcom?
[11:54] <gaara> i think 4310
[11:54] <stdin> have you used the bcm43xx-fwcutter tool?
[11:54] <gaara> nope..
[11:54] <gaara> i read it in the forums..
[11:54] <stdin> I'll find the guide...
[11:54] <gaara> but i need constant help thats why i came here
[11:55] <gaara> what is it for?
[11:56] <stdin> gaara: it extracts the firmware (driver) for it so you can use it
[11:56] <gaara> oh cool
[11:57] <stdin> take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty (ask if you have any questions or get stuck)
[11:58] <gaara> ok i'll look thru that
[11:58] <gaara> another problem is with my beryl
[11:58] <stdin> what graphics card?
[11:58] <dvm> Is it possible to choose scim language using shell command?
[11:58] <gaara> i used sabayon previously and it worked amazingly, but i'm getting a white screen when i load the beryl manager
[11:59] <gaara> nvidia
[11:59] <stdin> gaara: have you installed the nvidia driver?
[12:00] <gaara> hmmm...good point, does it not mean its installed if my resolution is already set? i got widescreen and im getting 1280 800 perfectly..
[12:00] <gaara> though i dont get a nvidia splash screen
[12:01] <Assid> stupid dammit kernel
[12:01] <dvm> Is it possible to choose scim language using shell command?
[12:01] <stdin> gaara: no, if you haven't installed it then you're using the "nv" open source nvidia driver, it doesn't have DRI (so no 3D support)
[12:01] <stdin> dvm: don't know, look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[12:01] <stdin> !nvidia | gaara
[12:01] <ubotu> gaara: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:02] <gaara> okie, thank you,will do so and get back to ppl...
[12:02] <gaara> btw have any of u tried looking glass on ur kubuntu?
[12:02] <stdin> gaara: you'll have to follow the edgy (6.10) instructions on that, the feisty instructions are for gnome
[12:03] <stdin> gaara: I tried it a while ago, very slow
[12:04] <_4strO> yop yop
[12:04] <gaara> hmm...ok..i installed it only now, so i'll install the nvidia driver and then i'll checkit out
[12:04] <gaara> btw, stdin, are u part of ubuntu?
[12:05] <stdin> I'm part of the ubuntu community I guess, but not in any "official" way
[12:05] <gaara> ohkie...
[12:05] <gaara> will catch u son
[12:05] <gaara> soon
[12:05] <stdin> :)
[12:05] <void_> Grr, my beryl keeps crashing.
[12:11] <Assid> void_: get compiz-fusion
[12:15] <voda> hello
[12:15] <stdin> hello voda
[12:16] <Assid> voda fone!
[12:16] <Assid> :P
[12:20] <trekdanne> oh hi Assid, what's up?
[12:20] <gaara> hey stdin, i got a 6600 phone, do u know any app thats a phone manager to link my phone?
[12:20] <Assid> not much trekdanne, trying to compile a kernel
[12:20] <gaara> nokia6600
[12:20] <Assid> gaara: good luck,.. let me know if you have anything that works
[12:21] <trekdanne> hmm phones :P
[12:21] <Assid> actually
[12:21] <stdin> gaara: don't know, try searching "nokia" in adept
[12:21] <Assid> providers need to give a bit more support
[12:23] (stdin/#kubuntu) yeniklasor: it should be in the linux-image-VERSION packages
[12:23] (yeniklasor/#kubuntu) ok
[12:23] <rami> why cant i use the scrnsavers where it says (GL) ?
[12:24] <trekdanne> yeniklasor: are you sure it's not loaded?  "lsmod | grep ipw3945"
[12:24] <rami> EDIT: can use the savers in the category open-gl savers
[12:25] <rami> where it says (GL) bur i have others that was embedded when i first installed it whuch i cant use.
[12:25] <yeniklasor> trekdanne | somethings shown but wireless not working
[12:27] <trekdanne> yeniklasor: probably not a driver problem if the modules are loaded
[12:27] <yeniklasor> knetworkmanager can't use my wireless
[12:28] <trekdanne> does it show up if you do "ifconfig -a" ?
[12:33] <yeniklasor> trekdanne : only eth0 and lo
[12:33] <trekdanne> yeniklasor: try "lspcmia"
[12:33] <voda> hello
[12:35] <trekdanne> !hi | voda
[12:35] <ubotu> voda: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:36] <gaara> hey stdin
[12:36] <stdin> hey
[12:36] <gaara> if i saw iwconfig im getting my eth1 as a wireless device
[12:36] <stdin> that's fine
[12:36] <gaara> but if i put iwlist eth1 scan it says > eth1      Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device
[12:37] <stdin> gaara: try just "iwlist scan"
[12:37] <gaara> says no scan results
[12:37] <gaara> oh...k
[12:37] <yeniklasor> trekdanne : didn't working  "lspcmia" command
[12:38] <gaara> ok, i'll restart and see if it works..
[12:38] <gaara> thanks..
[12:38] <trekdanne> i spelled it wrong "lspcmcia"
[12:39] <yeniklasor> trekdanne : "lspcmcia" didn't show anything
[12:41] <trekdanne> strange
[12:41] <Aranel> how can I convert a cd to Iso file ?
[12:41] <stdin> Aranel: use K3B
[12:41] <Aranel> stdin: I tried, but I can't did it :)
[12:42] <ClassFoo> cat >
[12:42] <stdin> Aranel: choose to copy a cd from the tools menu, then check the "only create image" box
[12:42] <trekdanne> yeniklasor: i'm actually not that familar with PCMCIA and wireless networks :P
[12:43] <yeniklasor> ok
[12:44] <Aranel> stdin: thanks a lot :)
[12:44] <stdin> :)
[12:46] <dannioni> yeniklasor: What's your problem?
[12:48] <alexandros1> hey guys
[12:48] <trekdanne> oh hi alexandros1
[12:48] <alexandros1> my kubuntu is using 61Hz refresh rate for my monitor
[12:49] <alexandros1> and its hurting my eyes!
[12:49] <alexandros1> in the monitor & display settings there is only the 61Hz option.
[12:49] <dannioni> I know what you mean, my monitor is 15+ yrs old :P, so the max is 70hz
[12:49] <alexandros1> how can I set it to say 75Hz ?
[12:49] <yeniklasor> dannioni : wireless is not working
[12:49] <[ifr0g] > Hi guys !
[12:50] <dannioni> yeniklasor: What card do you have?
[12:50] <stdin> alexandros1: you'll have to reconfigure the X server to do that
[12:50] <alexandros1> can't I do it throuth he System Settings GUI ?
[12:50] <stdin> alexandros1: nope
[12:50] <alexandros1> and how can I reconfigure the X Server ?
[12:51] <stdin> alexandros1: I think "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" should let you
[12:51] <[ifr0g] > alexandros1, by editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file..
[12:51] <alexandros1> ok thanks guys!
[12:51] <stdin> alexandros1: you should choose the medium setting when it comes to that part
[12:52] <alexandros1> medium setting?
[12:52] <stdin> alexandros1: then you can select the resolution and refresh rate
[12:52] <stdin> alexandros1: it'll be the only part that has "medium" in it, you can't miss it :)
[12:52] <yeniklasor> dannioni : intel pro wireless
[12:52] <alexandros1> oh ok thanks!!!!!!
[12:53] <yeniklasor> ipw3945
[12:53] <dannioni> Do you have any idea what the problem might be?
[12:54] <yeniklasor> live cd Kubuntu is good with my wireless, but i installed server edition
[12:55] <dannioni> try running lspcmcia in console, you should see your card there
[12:56] <dannioni> I'm not sure about the difference between server and "normal" installation, maybe someone else know that?
[12:56] <yeniklasor> nothing
[12:56] <yeniklasor> lspcmcia nothing shown
[12:57] <damian_> I have a problem. Kaffeine is starting with kubuntu. Can I swith it off?
[12:57] <dannioni> i assume you've inserted the card :P, this probably means that there's no pcmcia support installed
[12:57] <stdin> damian_: it would only start if it was open when you logged out
[12:58] <alexandros1> is there any way to test the changed xorg.conf file without having to reboot the system?
[12:58] <damian_> ok
[12:58] <stdin> damian_: use  "System Settings > Advanced > Session Manager" to disable that if you want
[12:59] <damian_> thanks
[12:59] <dannioni> alexandros1: Is it enough to restart the X server perhaps?
[12:59] <stdin> alexandros1: yes, logout then choose "restart X server" from the menu
[12:59] <alexandros1> oh cool!!!
[01:00] <dannioni> yeniklasor: I think you must change your kernel or load some module to get pcmcia, I'm not sure, maybe someone else knows?
[01:00] <yeniklasor> This is latest kernel
[01:01] <yeniklasor> pcmcia, is about pci ?
[01:02] <stdin> pcmcia is different to pci
[01:03] <dannioni> yeniklasor: try "sudo modprobe pcmcia"
[01:04] <yeniklasor> ok
[01:05] <dannioni> and after that try lspcmcia again
[01:05] <yeniklasor> nothing displayed again
[01:06] <dannioni> well, i'm not sure what to do ;(
[01:07] <dannioni> seems we have reached the end of my limited knowledge
[01:09] <feimao> 
[01:10] <stdin> !cn
[01:10] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[01:11] <feimao> ok
[01:13] <feimao> !rules
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[01:15] <aguitel> hello
[01:15] <trekdanne> hi
[01:15] <aguitel> anyone here?
[01:16] <yeniklasor> only 349 person
[01:16] <aguitel> how open kate with terminal
[01:16] <dannioni> so kind of empty
[01:17] <runlevelten> type kate :)
[01:17] <aguitel> sudo kate ?
[01:17] <runlevelten> well, kate
[01:17] <dannioni> nope, just kate works for me
[01:17] <stdin> kdesu if you NEED root access, just kate if not
[01:17] <runlevelten> depends whether you want to edit system files, aguitel :)
[01:18] <runlevelten> In which case, what stdin said
[01:18] <aguitel> i need administrative privilegios
[01:18] <alexandros> why sometimes when I do kdesu kate it just freezes?
[01:18] <aguitel> yes it freezes
[01:18] <dannioni> that sounds like a bug report
[01:19] <alexandros> usually it just asks me for administrator password
[01:19] <alexandros> but some other times it just sits there and does nothing
[01:19] <dannioni> forze for me too
[01:20] <dannioni> *froze
[01:20] <stdin> works fine for me
[01:20] <alexandros> I am using feisty
[01:20] <aguitel> i need to open this file:/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[01:21] <stdin> in what terminal are you trying to run the command?
[01:21] <aguitel> konsole
[01:21] <stdin> should work then
[01:21] <alexandros> yeah, even when pressing alt + f2
[01:22] <aguitel> not work for me
[01:22] <alexandros> me neither
[01:22] <dannioni> you could use nano or pico, but thats only a way around the problem
[01:22] <alexandros> pico is cool
[01:22] <stdin> pico is nano
[01:23] <alexandros> I noticed this happens to me when I logout and then log back in, or do an x-server restart
[01:23] <dannioni> stdin: They're the same?
[01:23] <alexandros> if I boot normally into my system I dont have this problem
[01:23] <stdin> dannioni: yeah, try it. run pico then run nano
[01:24] <aguitel> it say cannot connect to xserv
[01:25] <stdin> are you in a root shell?
[01:25] <aguitel> yes
[01:25] <stdin> that's why then
[01:25] <stdin> run it as a normal user
[01:25] <aguitel> what command
[01:26] <stdin> type "exit" then "kdesu kate"
[01:27] <aguitel> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[01:27] <stdin> you need to not be in a root shell
[01:28] <aguitel> i type:sudo kdesu kate
[01:28] <stdin> aguitel: no, not sudo, just kdesu
[01:29] <handy> i m sorry , for the italian chat?
[01:29] <stdin> !it
[01:29] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:29] <handy> tnx's
[01:29] <aguitel> it work
[01:29] <handy> !it
[01:29] <aguitel> thank
[01:30] <johannes__> hi everyone, I have a problem with my network, feisty fawn is able to find my router (dhcp server) and get an address, it also finds my network printer (very nice HP tool ), but I can find my server or other PCs (WIN XP), I hope someone can help me
[01:30] <stdin> handy: /join #kubuntu-it
[01:30] <Xarros> Bonjour
[01:31] <Xarros> hello
[01:31] <stdin> there is a french language room in #kubuntu-fr
[01:31] <stdin> johannes__: "can't find" ?
[01:32] <alexandros> guys... in order to make sure tftp works I should be able to ftp 127.0.0.1   right?
[01:32] <johannes__> the german one is probably kubuntu-ger , right?
[01:32] <stdin> johannes__: #kubuntu-de
[01:32] <johannes__> oh *g*
[01:33] <trekdanne> deutsch :P
[01:33] <stdin> alexandros: depends on what address the server is listening on
[01:33] <alexandros> oh I see where is that defined?
[01:33] <trekdanne> alexandros: ftp and tftp is differnt protocols
[01:34] <yamal> different protocols and different standard ports even
[01:34] <alexandros> so in order to check if it works I should download a tftp client?
[01:34] <trekdanne> i think tftp should be installed per default
[01:35] <stdin> konqueror should be able to do it too
[01:35] <trekdanne> alexandros: no, apparently not
[01:36] <alexandros> well what Im trying to do actually is install ubuntu using network boot
[01:36] <alexandros> oh konqueror can do that? with tftp:// ?
[01:36] <stdin> alexandros: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet
[01:37] <alexandros> oik!
[01:37] <alexandros> ok!
[01:39] <dromer> gah, I'm trying to compile cinelerra (the packages @ kiberpipa.org are broken), but I keep getting: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33569/  during the make
[01:42] <Ayabara> I hide my bottom panel to get more space. is there a way to make the panel pop up when windows in the tray/panel demands attention?
[01:43] <Frederick> folks how do i remove thw proxy usage from apt?
[01:44] <yeniklasor> stdin : I think my wireless was not work after I plug an ethernet cable(before install server edition). Could it be a bug?
[01:45] <stdin> yeniklasor: it could be
[01:45] <aguitel> stdin,how i reinstall kubuntu without lost information ?
[01:45] <stdin> Ayabara: is "Acquire::http::Proxy" set in /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[01:46] <stdin> aguitel: you'd have to use a separate /home partition to do that
[01:46] <aguitel> how i do that with cd live?
[01:47] <aguitel> i have sawp and ext3 partition
[01:47] <Ayabara> stdin: that file doesn't exist on my system
[01:47] <stdin> aguitel: you would have has to install with a separate /home you can't do it after
[01:48] <Frederick> stdin: I dont have this file is there any possible location for it?
[01:48] <stdin> Ayabara: then is the "http_proxy" variable set ?
[01:48] <aguitel> but with cd live how i create this /home ?
[01:49] <stdin> aguitel: yes, but not without destroying your data
[01:49] <aguitel> what i need to type ?
[01:49] <Ayabara> stdin: no
[01:50] <stdin> Ayabara: never mind, I meant that for Frederick
[01:50] <Ayabara> stdin: I wondered why you asked me that
[01:50] <Ayabara> :-D
[01:50] <yeniklasor> stdin : what is point of k wallet. Is it really safe to store passwords? (for example for kopete)
[01:51] <stdin> Frederick: how did you set the proxy?
[01:51] <Ayabara> didn't quite answer the question I asked :-)
[01:51] <stdin> yeniklasor: yeah, it's safe to
[01:51] <Frederick> stdin: I set this variable you meantioned above somewhere
[01:51] <stdin> Ayabara: to answer your question, I don't think you can, but ask in #kde
[01:52] <Ayabara> stdin: ok. thanks
[01:52] <yeniklasor> stdin : for local reasons or hacking from internet ?
[01:52] <stdin> Frederick: then do "export -n http_proxy"
[01:53] <stdin> yeniklasor: the passwords aren't stored in a readable format and are only accessible from your user
[01:53] <Frederick> stdin: but htis is local to a given shell right?
[01:54] <stdin> Frederick: yes, if you put the line in your ~/.bashrc then remove it from there
[01:54] <Frederick> stdin: I got no idea where did I set this proxy variable
[01:54] <Frederick> but apt complains about it
[01:54] <Frederick> when Im not on the network wich has it
[01:55] <stdin> Frederick: check in ~/.bashrc
[01:56] <aguitel> stdn,i need to make another partition?
[01:56] <Frederick>  it is there but commented out :/
[01:57] <yeniklasor> stdin : is storing file stolen by a person and copied to his wallet. Is it possible to use passwords? I tried to this with firefox's .mozilla directory and all password worked on my other computer.
[01:57] <stdin> aguitel: you'd have to make one partition for /  one for /home  and one for swap
[01:58] <aguitel> stdn,i have now sawp and ext3 partition,what else is needed?
[01:58] <yeniklasor> aguitel : /home
[01:59] <stdin> yeniklasor: that's firefox, kwallet used a different system, but copying the the relevant files to another system would probably work (
[01:59] <stdin> yeniklasor: but that would be the same for any password storage system
[01:59] <aguitel> total 3 partition swap ext and /home ?
[01:59] <geekbsd> hi there,which is better,KOfffice or OpenOffice?
[01:59] <stdin> !best
[01:59] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[02:00] <stdin> aguitel: yes
[02:00] <aguitel> stdn ,the name of the 3th partition is home or /home?
[02:01] <stdin> aguitel: yeah assign it to mount to /home
[02:01] <aguitel> grub is in /home?
[02:01] <stdin> no
[02:01] <geekbsd> just for the daily bases,write a doc,see some excel files,convert doc.or odf files to pdf
[02:02] <aguitel> wher is grub?
[02:03] <stdin> aguitel: it should be installed to the MBR
[02:03] <aguitel> in / ?
[02:03] <stdin> MBR is the Master Boot Record, it's not on any partition
[02:04] <aguitel> ok
[02:04] <stdin> grubs files are installed to / though
[02:05] <aguitel> stdin ,i say again ,i need 3 partition ,swap ext3 and home ,this is ok?
[02:05] <stdin> yes
[02:05] <aguitel> last question
[02:05] <stdin> aguitel: ext3 is the type
[02:05] <stdin> aguitel: both /home and / should be ext3
[02:06] <aguitel> but i need to asing the name "home" to the 3th partition
[02:08] <aguitel> stdin,this is dificult for me because i think i need to make this work in windows with partitionmagic
[02:09] <stdin> aguitel: you need 3 partitions, / which is ext3, /home again ext3, and a swap partition
[02:10] <aguitel> stdin ,i make with partition magic this ?
[02:11] <stdin> aguitel: you can use the live cd to do it
[02:11] <osoh> hi all
[02:11] <aguitel> stdin ,when i install again?
[02:12] <stdin> yes
[02:12] <aguitel> ok i try later
[02:14] <yeniklasor> stdin : If no way be safe, I must ask; Do you use antivirus-firewall or another thing ?
[02:15] <geekbsd> does anyone knows from where can i get the Oxygen Icons,the ones that KDE4 is using
[02:15] <stdin> yeniklasor: you can use a firewall if you want, but there is no need for antivirus
[02:15] <yeniklasor> stdin : Do you use antivirus ?
[02:16] <stdin> geekbsd: I'd bet they are on http://kde-look.org
[02:17] <stdin> yeniklasor: no
[02:17] <stdin> yeniklasor: there are no antivirus applications for linux (only ones for scanning for windows viruses which can't infect linux)
[02:18] <stdin> yeniklasor: linux just doesn't get viruses
[02:18] <runlevelten> stdin: well clamav would scan for them, if there were any use in doing so.
[02:18] <yeniklasor> stdin : But it is possible I think make a virus for linux, am I wrokng ?
[02:18] <runlevelten> heh
[02:18] <stdin> runlevelten: clamav only scans for windows viruses
[02:18] <runlevelten> yeniklasor: Sure.
[02:19] <stdin> yeniklasor: not impossible, but there really is no point
[02:19] <runlevelten> yeniklasor: A *lot* less vulnerable than windows in most cases though
[02:19] <stdin> yeniklasor: and even if one were created, the security hole would be fixed extremely quickly
[02:19] <runlevelten> stdin: quite
[02:19] <Dragnslcr> A Linux virus would rely on user stupidity a lot more than a Windows virus has to
[02:19] <stdin> yeniklasor: in a matter of hours
[02:19] <yeniklasor> by ubuntu you mean ?
[02:19] <runlevelten> user stupidity, or unpatched network-facing vulnerabilities.
[02:20] <stdin> by the kernel coders, and possibly by ubuntu
[02:20] <neusonce> !mp4
[02:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:20] <yeniklasor> system updates important this means
[02:20] <stdin> !antivirus
[02:20] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[02:20] <neusonce> ose any know of a mp4 plugin
[02:21] <yeniklasor> yep
[02:21] <runlevelten> oh yes. Updating your system is very important, as is being careful of where you get your packages from.
[02:21] <neusonce>  dose any body know of a mp4 plugin
[02:21] <stdin> neusonce: the package libmp4v2-0
[02:21] <yeniklasor> yeah not trust 3. party software :)
[02:22] <yeniklasor> Do you know better than firestarter as a firewall
[02:22] <trekdanne> yeniklasor: firestarter is just a GUI
[02:22] <runlevelten> You have a built in firewall. Firestarter et al just control it.
[02:22] <runlevelten> So it's just a matter f picking one you can use easily :)
[02:23] <lunitik> Where is the setting to have the mouse wheel change focus? This is default in Gutsy, I'd rather have the mouse wheel shade the window....
[02:23] <trekdanne> iptables isn't that hard either when you have understood the basics
[02:23] <lunitik> I looked around in KControl > Desktop > Window Behavior, but I don't see it...
[02:23] <neusonce> ggrrrrrr i cant get kaffine to play mp4 file and libmp4v2-0 is installed
[02:23] <yeniklasor> trekdanne : thanks for explain
[02:24] <lunitik> neusonce: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[02:24] <stdin> neusonce: you have libxine-extracodecs ?
[02:24] <runlevelten> should be in titlebar actions
[02:25] <eifzon> helo
[02:25] <runlevelten> lunitik: should be in titlebar actions
[02:25] <eifzon> i just installed kubuntu with the alternative cd and i installed all updates, but i got a error
[02:25] <neusonce> hrmmmm
[02:25] <neusonce> says another process is useing it
[02:25] <stdin> !aptfix
[02:25] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:26] <neusonce> no i dont think i do have libxine-extracodecs
[02:26] <lunitik> runlevelten: That's where I set it to Shade/Unshade... but it's changing focus instead... hmm
[02:26] <runlevelten> Yeah, I noticed that now, too
[02:26] <runlevelten> are you using crystal?
[02:26] <eifzon> I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/655480
[02:27] <lunitik> runlevelten: Yes, I went around in Crystals settings though, and don't see anything related to focus?
[02:27] <runlevelten> lunitik: Cycle tasks with mouse wheel in the crystal settings, overrides the KDE setting.
[02:27] <runlevelten> uncheck it, solvit probbed :)
[02:27] <lunitik> runlevelten: Ahh... I guess I missed that then... thanks
[02:27] <neusonce> libxine-extracodecs  yes i do have them
[02:27] <neusonce> yet i cant play mp4s
[02:28] <lunitik> runlevelten: I still don't see that option?
[02:28] <stdin> neusonce: where did you get the mp4s from?
[02:28] <runlevelten> lunitik: in "General".
[02:28] <neusonce> k torrent
[02:28] <runlevelten> lunitik: If you're using a different version it may be called something else
[02:28] <stdin> neusonce: thay may be aac not mp4, try installing faac
[02:30] <runlevelten> lunitik: I just discovered right clicking on the minimise button shades it, heh
[02:30] <lunitik> runlevelten: I'm dumb, got it, thank you.
[02:30] <runlevelten> although I always have double-click as shade anyway
[02:30] <runlevelten> I've never actually *used* double click to maximise a window in my life :)
[02:30] <runlevelten> lunitik: np
[02:31] <lunitik> runlevelten: I figure, since you can have 2 options, might as well have double click do what it does elsewhere: maximize... and use mouse wheel for shade/unshade... makes more sense anyways...
[02:31] <neusonce> THANKS GUYS
[02:31] <lunitik> runlevelten: haha... I haven't either actually... I use right and middle click on the maximize button (mostly middle)
[02:32] <lunitik> runlevelten: I don't really ever have the need to have a window stretch the entire width of the screen *shrug*
[02:42] <BCMM> how do you configure compiz?
[02:42] <BCMM> and what is the KDE window decorator from compiz called?
[02:43] <eifzon> How do I install openoffice?
[02:45] <BCMM> eifzon: open adept, and find openoffice, and install it
[02:45] <eifzon> BCMM: I dont see it in my menu :S
[02:45] <eifzon> Do i have to restart X?
[02:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[02:50] <MilhousePunkRock> How come KNetworkManager does not show any wireless networks when I switch from DHCP to static?
[03:02] <kalorin> MilhousePunkRock: likely when you switch to static, you end up with too much static in your signal and it can't pick up any other stations
[03:05] <tatters> I am having problems getting my capture device to work this thread contains same error and the solution that works,but I need a permenent fix if possible, does anyuone know about this issue?
[03:05] <tatters> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-334508.html
[03:07] <trekdanne> you want to use dga with Nvidia binary driver?
[03:09] <tatters> well yes ,I spoke to someone who had same card and driver and they had no issues
[03:09] <tatters> So it is the driver at fault?
[03:10] <trekdanne> if it works fine w/o DGA why bother?
[03:10] <tatters> how can I turn off this DGA thing ?
[03:12] <pawitp> O_o
[03:12] <pawitp> I didn't know that linux - or nvidia for that matter - automatically adapts the resolution to the monitor
[03:12] <tatters> Does this mean Tvtime xawTv and other all have to be updated to run without DGA?
[03:14] <trekdanne> DGA is pretty ancient
[03:15] <tatters> Well i running gutsy hre so Y do I have this issue, I assume I got the latest packages
[03:18] <tatters> coI did not have this issue in fiesty and latest propriatry driver
[03:19] <stdin> tatters: probably more people in #ubuntu+1 (the gutsy channel) will know more about that
[03:20] <eifzon> Anyone here using baghira?
[03:20] <tatters> im in there already but its quiet as a moose
[03:20] <pawitp> If my memory serves correctly, that's OSX kde theme
[03:21] <eifzon> pawitp: right.
[03:21] <eifzon> pawitp: :)
[03:21] <stdin> tatters: how quiet is a moose? :p
[03:21] <eifzon> i dont understand how to install it..
[03:21] <eifzon> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Baghira?content=8692
[03:21] <pawitp> kwin-baghira
[03:21] <pawitp> it's in the repo
[03:22] <pawitp> !baghira
[03:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about baghira - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:22] <pawitp> !find baghira
[03:22] <ubotu> Found: kwin-baghira
[03:22] <eifzon> thanks
[03:22] <eifzon> hmm
[03:22] <eifzon> is there any like macosx dockbar?
[03:22] <eifzon> like exactly the same as the one for osx? :P
[03:23] <bullgard4> I imported my MS Access Project to Kexi. I can read the tables. It appears that Kexi did not import the forms. Does Kexi generally not import forms?
[03:23] <pawitp> efizon I reckon there is, but the package is proken
[03:23] <pawitp> s/proken/broken
[03:23] <stdin> !info kxdocker | eifzon
[03:23] <ubotu> eifzon: kxdocker: innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4a-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 327 kB, installed size 1064 kB
[03:24] <yeniklasor> How to disable kwallet to knetworkmanager's wireless password request?
[03:24] <eifzon> pawitp: what package is broken?0
[03:24] <pawitp> kxdocker is, the last time I tried
[03:25] <pawitp> The configuration file is blank causing it not to start
[03:25] <pawitp> I suggest you go grab edgy's deb
[03:25] <eifzon> is there any other wannabe docks?
[03:25] <eifzon> ehh?
[03:25] <eifzon> you say i shall go to debian?!?!
[03:25] <pawitp> no
[03:25] <pawitp> edgy eft's kxdocker is fixed
[03:26] <eifzon> so what do you say i to do?
[03:26] <stdin> yeniklasor: right click on the kwallet > configure kwallet and disable it
[03:26] <stdin> eifzon: try the package
[03:26] <eifzon> stdin: where do i download it
[03:27] <pawitp> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fk%2Fkxdocker%2Fkxdocker_1.1.4a-0ubuntu2_i386.deb&md5sum=6ed0bc6420521880e310ef5715186dcb&arch=i386&type=main
[03:27] <pawitp> choose a mirror from there
[03:27] <stdin> eifzon: it's in the repositories
[03:27] <pawitp> Fiesty's package is broken
[03:27] <pawitp> so is Gustsy's
[03:27] <eifzon> just apt-get it then
[03:27] <eifzon> ?
[03:27] <stdin> pawitp: reported the bug?
[03:28] <pawitp> stdin: The bug been there for ages
[03:28] <pawitp> And yes it's reported
[03:28] <pawitp> Fixed once and broken again
[03:28] <eifzon> after i apt-getted baghira
[03:28] <eifzon> how do i install it?
[03:29] <pawitp> it's installed
[03:29] <genii> heh yesterday i had an interesting error message: "apt-get is not installed. Use apt-get install apt to install it"
[03:29] <eifzon> pawitp: but how do i change to it
[03:30] <pawitp> control panel
[03:30] <pawitp> got to go now
[03:30] <eifzon> ok
[03:32] <biosword> ciao a tutti
[03:32] <stdin> !it
[03:32] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:33] <biosword> come posso posizionarmi nella directory dei sorgenti kernel
[03:33] <biosword> sto cercando di configurare il mio bluetooth
[03:34] <stdin> biosword: #kubuntu-it
[03:35] <biosword> ciao
[03:35] <Narada> hi which packages do i install to get all the nvidia stuff; there seem to be a lot of them
[03:35] <biosword> chi mi aiuta con il bluetooth
[03:36] <stdin> !nvidia | Narada
[03:37] <ubotu> Narada: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:37] <Narada> heh
[03:37] <Narada> why is that https; strange
[03:37] <stdin> biosword: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:37] <stdin> Narada: all the ubuntu links are https
[03:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:38] <icecruncher> hey
[03:38] <biosword> ciao
[03:38] <Narada> stdin: those instructions are for gnome; i'm on kde
[03:38] <stdin> Narada: look at the instructions for edgy
[03:40] <DrHalan> i read tht firefox is preinstalled on dapper but i cant find it
[03:40] <stdin> DrHalan: only on Ubuntu (not Kubuntu)
[03:40] <DrHalan> ah ;(
[03:41] <eifzon> anyone here got os x icons for kde?
[03:43] <icecruncher> where can i find the sudoer file?
[03:43] <DrHalan> hmm composite doesnt work on dapper "cant find the extension"
[03:43] <eifzon> icecruncher: as root, write visudo
[03:44] <icecruncher> ?
[03:44] <stdin> icecruncher: why do you need it?
[03:45] <icecruncher> me not in it, as a new user (yes i know that it's default, but now it's not)
[03:46] <stdin> icecruncher: are you the 1st user setup?
[03:46] <icecruncher> no
[03:47] <stdin> icecruncher: do you have access to the account that is?
[03:47] <icecruncher> yes
[03:47] <stdin> icecruncher: use that account to add your user to the "admin" group in system settings > user management
[03:48] <icecruncher> then sudo works?
[03:48] <eifzon> where can i find kde widgets?
[03:49] <icecruncher> thnks
[03:49] <Tm_T> widgets?
[03:49] <Dr_willis> Karamba and Super Karamba widgets are at kde-look.org
[03:49] <Dr_willis> good luck finding any that are actually usefull./
[03:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:50] <Tm_T> widgets?
[03:50] <eifzon> Dr_willis, good :)
[03:50] <eifzon> Where do i put my kdm themes then? :P
[03:50] <Dr_willis> depends on what sort/part of the theme you mean
[03:50] <Dr_willis> KDe thems are made of several parts.
[03:51] <Dr_willis> !themeinstall
[03:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about themeinstall - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. what is that factoid.
[03:51] <Dr_willis> !theme
[03:51] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[03:51] <stdin> !changethemes
[03:51] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[03:51] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: read again he's question
[03:52] <Tm_T> his
[03:52] <Tm_T> gaah
[03:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:52] <Tm_T> look what you done to me
[03:52] <eifzon> :D
[03:52] <Dr_willis> !kdm
[03:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:52] <BluesKaj> now we have ubuntus with 2 underscores, confuse me even more :)
[03:52] <eifzon> Dr_willis, what is karamba doing then?
[03:52] <Dr_willis> theres that kdm control panel applet for that. :)
[03:52] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: don't poke me
[03:52] <Dr_willis> eifzon,  i find karamba and superkaramba both rather... well.. trash. I dont use either
[03:53] <stdin> Dr_willis: it's all explained in the !clangethemes link
[03:53] <eifzon> :D)
[03:53] <Dr_willis> stdin,  What~! you expect people to read!? :)
[03:53] <Dr_willis> You Radical!
[03:53] <BluesKaj> i don't get the silliness of whole super karamba thing ...must my anti cutsy-pie outlook :)
[03:53] <stdin> Dr_willis: well, this is IRC, people read all the time
[03:54] <BluesKaj> must be
[03:54] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i find the idea of 'widgets' on the desktopp to be odd.. since i always have my apps fullscreened anyway
[03:54] <Dr_willis> I never see the desktop gizmos.
[03:54] <Dr_willis> Give me panel applets!
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yup, panel icons rocks !
[03:55] <Dr_willis> at least the 'sidebar' stuff in some other OS's are a bit more useable in that area.
[03:55] <Dr_willis> LEts see.. thers. Karamba, gdesklets, opera widgets,  and.. some others..
[03:55] <Dr_willis> does the google widget stuff work in linux? or was taht firefox?
[03:56] <Dr_willis> !googledesktop
[03:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about googledesktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:56] <DrHalan> i installed the fglrx drivers package manually. how can i get catalyst working?
[03:57] <DrHalan> i mean the catalyst control panel
[03:57] <Daisuke-Ido> why did you install them manually?
[03:57] <Daisuke-Ido> out of curiosity
[03:57] <DrHalan> there was an error appearing
[03:58] <DrHalan> so i was seraching for an how-to and only found a manual one
[03:58] <BluesKaj> DrHalan: it should be listed in the k-menu
[03:59] <Gtwy> anyone know that website that visually links similar musicians by creating bubbles and showing the attachments
[04:01] <DrHalan> yeah but when i start it it appears in the control bar and then dissapears after some time
[04:01] <BluesKaj> which fglrx ...the proprietary driver from ATI ?
[04:01] <DrHalan> yeah
[04:01] <sayers> Why do the things I try and hide in the system tray come back each session?
[04:02] <trekdanne> sayers: you can turn settings off in System settings -> Advanced tab -> Session manager
[04:02] <BluesKaj> ahh...if you fel like doina little cli stuff this tutorial may help , if you use elcheapo onboard graphics like me ...it also provides 3D and DRI  for graphics heavy apps like Google earth etc :http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[04:03] <alexandros>  hello guys!
[04:03] <alexandros> I
[04:04] <NickPresta> !hi | alexandros
[04:04] <ubotu> alexandros: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:04] <sayers> trekdanne: no. Not that.  Like if I try to hide lets say amarok in the previous session then I run it in a new session I'd have to config sys tray to hide it.
[04:04] <alexandros> I'm trying to install kubuntu from network boot
[04:04] <alexandros> I've set up dhcp and tftp
[04:04] <BluesKaj> DrHalan: did you get that ?
[04:04] <alexandros> but when the client system boots-up it says TFTP open timeout
[04:05] <alexandros> what should I do? thanks
[04:05] <ksivaji> BluesKaj hi
[04:05] <dannioni> are you sure you're trying the right port and ip?
[04:06] <alexandros> dannioni: where do u provide port and IP ?
[04:06] <dannioni> well, you do it in dhcpd.conf
[04:06] <bullgard4> I imported my MS Access Project to Kexi. I can read the tables. It appears that Kexi did not import the forms. Does Kexi generally not import forms?
[04:06] <BluesKaj> hi ksivaji
[04:06] <alexandros> in the tutorial I read there was no port attribute
[04:06] <dannioni> no, i think that's automatic
[04:07] <alexandros> the ip should be correct
[04:07] <alexandros> when I try to connect on my tftpd locally it seems it can't connect
[04:07] <alexandros> I did tftp -> connect 192.168.0.1
[04:08] <alexandros> however, I've installed the tftpd service in init.d
[04:08] <dannioni> do you run it via inetd?
[04:08] <alexandros> sorry I meant inetd.conf
[04:08] <alexandros> yeap
[04:08] <genii> alexandros: You also need to enable it in /etc/defaults
[04:09] <alexandros> genii: u mean tftpd? yes I already did that
[04:10] <genii> alexandros: Yes, it's an important step some ppl miss
[04:10] <alexandros> u mean /etc/default/tftpd-hpa  right
[04:10] <alexandros> ?
[04:10] <shiv_j> Just installed on desktop knetworkmanager shows device as Netgear Wireless but no networks are detected... Any help?
[04:14] <RurouniJones> Howdy all, I am currently in Japan and have my system setup to allow me to enter Jap characters (via SCIM). It appears a side effect is that some applications (amarok and K3b comes to mind) is starting to display some menu items in Japanese. How can I get these back to English?
[04:16] <eifzon> I just installed envy on my kubuntu, then the nvidia driver, and i rebooted, and i couldnt get into X because of this: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[04:17] <DrHalan> hey how can i install flash with konqueror?
[04:17] <genii> alexandros: Sorry for lag. Yes, that was the file to be edited
[04:18] <genii> alexandros: What dir did you export, traditional /var/lib/tftpboot   or some other?
[04:19] <BluesKaj> !envy | eifzon
[04:19] <eifzon> BluesKaj: I didnt get any error under the installation of the driver..
[04:19] <ubotu> eifzon: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[04:19] <BluesKaj> eifzon: not untill you tried to reboot into X
[04:20] <eifzon> BluesKaj: yes
[04:20] <eifzon> but the binary drivers are old?
[04:20] <BluesKaj> eifzon are you at a prompt ?
[04:20] <eifzon> yes
[04:20] <alexandros> sorry
[04:20] <eifzon> you mean a terminal? :P
[04:21] <alexandros> genii: yes that's what I exported /var/lib/tftpboot
[04:21] <BluesKaj> try to uninstall envy , then do:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:22] <eifzon> BluesKaj: what to choose in there?
[04:22] <shiv_j> Just installed on desktop knetworkmanager shows device as Netgear Wireless but no networks are detected... Any help?
[04:23] <BluesKaj> go with the generic nvidia driver for now , til you figure which one to use later
[04:23] <eifzon> BluesKaj: I know what driver I am going to use.
[04:24] <BluesKaj> well if it's the same driver , you'll have the same problem
[04:24] <genii> alexandros: I have a working setup here done mostly from reference at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot and http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[04:25] <BluesKaj> eifzon: just don't use envy to install the driver
[04:25] <eifzon> BluesKaj: okok
[04:25] <eifzon> wiat brb
[04:26] <eifzon> now i am downloading http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html
[04:27] <alexandros> genii: thanks very much! I'll check it out now!
[04:28] <genii> alexandros: I will be around if you need assistance with it
[04:28] <alexandros> thanks man
[04:29] <BluesKaj> eifzon: the instructions looks pretty straightforward to me ... should work
[04:31] <ksivaji> !lamp
[04:31] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[04:36] <yeniklasor> is it possible to stream some media with "ssh" ?
[04:37] <thehcdreamer> Hello, i'm trying to use a new webcam, a philips SPC315NC, but after installing the gspa drivers, i cant't use it
[04:37] <genii> yeniklasor: I think you might want to look up about X forwarding or FreeNX instead
[04:40] <hydrogen> I've been trying to resize my ntfs partition in order to install
[04:40] <hydrogen> and have had nothing but trouble
[04:40] <hydrogen> the error now is "read_all: Input/output error"
[04:41] <hydrogen> which I realize is nice and vague and not helpful at all
[04:42] <DrHalan> no flash player :S
[04:43] <yeniklasor> stdin : How to stream some media with "ssh" ?
[04:43] <DrHalan> can someone explain me how to make flash work on konqueror
[04:43] <hsatera> DrHalan: why  don't u use firefox?
[04:44] <hydrogen> because konqueror is a much better browser.
[04:44] <hsatera> hydrogen: will not argue..
[04:44] <yeniklasor> DrHalan | install for firefox. Konqueror auto installing it
[04:45] <stdin> yeniklasor: best way to do it is to install the "sshfs" package and mount the servers directory
[04:45] <trekdanne> DrHalan: just install flash-nonfree
[04:45] <trekdanne> !find flash
[04:45] <ubotu> Found: flashybrid, libflash-dev, libflash-mozplugin, libflash-swfplayer, libflash0c2 (and 4 others)
[04:46] <yeniklasor> stdin : thanks
[04:46] <trekdanne> !find flashplugin-nonfree
[04:46] <ubotu> Found: flashplugin-nonfree
[04:46] <trekdanne> that one
[04:47] <trekdanne> DrHalan: then go Konqueror -> Settings -> Plugins -> Scan for plugins
[04:47] <trekdanne> or
[04:47] <trekdanne> !flash
[04:48] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[04:50] <d3vdil> plz i want to install bochs
[04:50] <d3vdil> some one can help me ?
[04:51] <stdin> !info bochs
[04:51] <ubotu> bochs: IA-32 PC emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.3-2 (feisty), package size 811 kB, installed size 2568 kB
[04:51] <d3vdil> sudo apt-get install bochs
[04:51] <d3vdil> but don't work
[04:52] <DrHalan> trekdanne i dont have firefox
[04:52] <SlimeyPe1e> !qemu
[04:52] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[04:52] <SlimeyPe1e> d3vdil: try qemu
[04:53] <d3vdil> stdin, do you use bochs
[04:53] <stdin> nope
[04:53] <d3vdil> ok thanx all
[04:53] <SlimeyPe1e> !universe | d3vdil
[04:53] <ubotu> d3vdil: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:53] <d3vdil> i will try it
[04:54] <trekdanne> DrHalan: no you don't have to
[04:55] <trekdanne> DrHalan: konqueror can use netscape-styled plugins
[04:58] <BluesKaj> d3vdil, you may have to edit your sources.list
[04:59] <d3vdil> BluesKaj, edit sources.list??
[05:00] <trekdanne> d3vdil: /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:04] <d3vdil> I use  6.10 (Edgy), so i update the sources.list to (Feisty)
[05:04] <BluesKaj> d3vdil, check the /etc/apt/sources.list by alt+f2 : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and look for lines (sources that are commented out) that have # in front of deb... delete the # , save and try to install your app
[05:04] <stdin> bochs is in edgy, it's in universe
[05:05] <d3vdil> ok now it's clear
[05:06] <yeniklasor> stdin : Am I wrong? "sudo sshfs yeniklasor@192.168.2.3:videos /mnt/ssh/"  ?
[05:07] <stdin> yeniklasor: no need for sudo, and you need the full path, just do something like "sshfs user@host:/home/user/videos /home/me/videos"
[05:08] <yeniklasor> stdin ok
[05:10] <ksivaji> stdin  is there any command to check CPU temperature ?
[05:10] <Mr56k> Anyone no the best brand laptops "a few" that work good with linux? Like hardware just working so you don't have to manually get stuff running
[05:11] <stdin> Mr56k: dell sell laptops with linux (ubuntu) installed
[05:11] <Mr56k> also intel or amd boards one working better then the rest
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: Ubuntu Dells
[05:11] <Mr56k> ok thx stdin, I will check those out
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> intel (for laptops)
[05:12] <stdin> ksivaji: try the ksensors package
[05:12] <Mr56k> anything else? Dells i have to order on www. . I was hoping to buy one locally
[05:12] <stdin> ksivaji: if you just want a command "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/temperature"
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: get any intel laptop and they should pretty much work. try to get one with intel wireless and intel or nvidia graphics
[05:13] <yeniklasor> stdin : "sshfs user@host:/home/user/videos /home/me/videos" didn't worked
[05:14] <alexandros> hmmm this tftpd doesnt seem to be working:(
[05:14] <Mr56k> k thx
[05:14] <genii> Mr56k: Most Lenovo have linux-friendly hardware
[05:14] <stdin> yeniklasor: you have to adapt the command to your circumstances
[05:14] <alexandros> I read all the tutorials there but still nothing
[05:14] <yeniklasor> yes i did
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> genii: but lenovo is oh so expensive...
[05:15] <ksivaji> my cpu temperature is 51C is it normal ?
[05:15] <alexandros> Im using dhtp and tftp in order to perform network boot
[05:15] <nosrednaekim> ksivaji: if you are on a laptop, I think its ok.
[05:15] <stdin> ksivaji: that's "cool"
[05:15] <ksivaji> no desktop pc
[05:15] <yeniklasor> ksivaji : more cool
[05:15] <genii> nosrednaekim: Well, this is true. My second choice would be some Satellite
[05:16] <yeniklasor> laptops more hot :)
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> ksivaji: well, ours ussually don't top 40C but I don't think 51 is dangerous
[05:16] <nosrednaekim> genii: yeah, those are nice too.
[05:16] <genii> ksivaji: You are well within limits. If it starts getting to 70 then be worried
[05:16] <alexandros> DHCP works ok but I think TFTPd is not
[05:16] <ksivaji> ho
[05:16] <alexandros> how can I check whether my tftp server is working?
[05:16] <ksivaji> thank you
[05:16] <alexandros> I installed it as a service inside inetd.conf
[05:17] <alexandros> and restarted the inted
[05:17] <genii> alexandros: do ps ax|grep tftp    you should see some result
[05:17] <nosrednaekim> ksivaji: especially if that is a pentium 4 ;)
[05:17] <alexandros> genii: no its not there
[05:17] <ksivaji> no i have AMD 64 athlon
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> ksivaji: oh ok..well that is a but hot for them. what is the room temperature?
[05:18] <nosrednaekim> *bit
[05:18] <genii> alexandros: Yes, then it's not starting. Do you have an entry in the /etc/init.d for it? Also is it executable
[05:18] <alexandros> yes I have an entry
[05:19] <alexandros> let me check if its executable
[05:19] <floppydj>  /msg nickserv link floppydj seapolperco
[05:19] <stdin> genii: "<alexandros> I installed it as a service inside inetd.conf" inetd runs it
[05:19] <ksivaji> nosrednaekim i dont have sensor or something to find room temperature
[05:19] <nosrednaekim> ksivaji: ok... w/e its probably ok.
[05:20] <genii> stdin: Ah, sorry. Perceptive of you
[05:20] <alexandros> root@froulis:/usr/sbin# ls -la in.tftpd
[05:20] <alexandros> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26704 2006-12-14 13:51 in.tftpd
[05:20] <alexandros> it is executable
[05:20] <alexandros> I also edited /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
[05:21] <stdin> ksivaji: my cpu has gotten up to 96C before, 50 is fine
[05:21] <genii> alexandros: What was the command in inted/xinetd you called for it? The actual binary is not named tftpd-hpa for instance
[05:22] <ksivaji> stdin ho thank you
[05:22] <Mr56k> anyone no if this machine will be compatible with Kubuntu http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8404256&type=product&id=1180743304925
[05:22] <genii> alexandros: It is something like /usr/sbin/in.tftpd
[05:22] <Mr56k> ?  Thanks
[05:22] <alexandros> ftp dgram udp wait  root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: checking :)
[05:23] <alexandros> I meant:   tftp dgram udp wait  root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[05:23] <handy> !it
[05:23] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:23] <nosrednaekim> stdin: get out the frying pan :)
[05:23] <Mr56k> Thanks nosrednaekim
[05:23] <juan> buen dia!!!
[05:23] <floppydj> no hay nadie espaol por aki
[05:23] <floppydj> ???
[05:24] <alexandros> genii: its inted.conf for me
[05:24] <alexandros> inetd.conf
[05:24] <BluesKaj> !es | floppydj
[05:24] <ubotu> floppydj: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:25] <floppydj> gracias
[05:26] <genii> alexandros: Is your inetd running?
[05:26] <alexandros> genii: I did: sudo update-inetd --enable BOOT
[05:27] <genii> alexandros: when you do   ps ax|grep inetd   does it show as running?
[05:27] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: at a cursory glance, it should work well, I have to check the wireless chipset though.
[05:27] <alexandros> yes
[05:27] <alexandros> genii:  7572 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[05:28] <genii> alexandros: OK, please pastebin then your inetd.conf and i will examine for clues
[05:28] <Mr56k> yea wireless is very important... I no i can get the graphics and the rest working
[05:28] <Mr56k> but i use nothing but wireless at home :)
[05:28] <genii> alexandros: Or even just the line(s) which are for the tftpd
[05:28] <alexandros> ok!
[05:29] <coord> hehehehehe
[05:29] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: ok.
[05:29] <Mr56k> It doesnt really say on there what wireless its using
[05:31] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: its a broadcom. junk.
[05:31] <genii> work, AFK 3-4 minutes
[05:31] <alexandros> ginii: it's just this line:
[05:31] <alexandros> tftp   dgram   udp     wait    root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin//sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[05:32] <Mr56k> lol... So its prob not gona work  ?
[05:32] <Mr56k> That stinks
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: it will work with ndiswrapper.
[05:33] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: but if you are going to buy a new laptop... get one that you don't need junk like that for
[05:34] <Mr56k> k, Thx for your help
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: try toshibas... they are ussually good
[05:34] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: and intel acers as well.
[05:35] <Mr56k> ok. Will check in to those. I have about $750 to play with and need to pick someone up a laptop
[05:35] <nosrednaekim> But most of all I reccomend the ubuntu dells, or system76.
[05:35] <Mr56k> best buy and office depot are only ones close buy
[05:35] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: compusa has some really good sales on right now.
[05:35] <nosrednaekim> $350 laptops
[05:36] <DrHalan> anyone else is getting empty messages from icq contacts in kopete?
[05:36] <Mr56k> yea no Compusa around here
[05:36] <Mr56k> :(
[05:36] <nosrednaekim> Mr56k: shipping is pretty fast from them, and its free...
[05:37] <Mr56k> I got staples, office depot, best buy... Thats it. well Wal-mart too lol, buy im not buying from them
[05:37] <nosrednaekim> haha
[05:37] <Mr56k> i will take a look.
[05:38] <Mr56k> anyways im off. Thanks for the help again. Talk to ya later
[05:38] <alyssa_> anyone have experience with openbravo and ubuntu?
[05:39] <nosrednaekim> ok
[05:41] <kipseron> i am in kubuntu and when i turned on the computer its show to me starting up and its dont starting
[05:41] <kipseron> ?
[05:43] <alyssa_> is it reboot cycling?
[05:43] <kipseron> are you talking to me?
[05:43] <alyssa_> kipseron: is it reboot cycling
[05:44] <genii> alexandros: I think you may want something more like: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd in.tftpd /var/lib/tftpboot
[05:44] <kipseron> yes when i reboot and want to enter to system the login dont show up
[05:44] <alyssa_> kipseron: has it ever worked?
[05:44] <kipseron> yes
[05:45] <kipseron> before i do the restart my system worked well
[05:45] <alexandros> genii: I tried to run it as a command rather as a service
[05:45] <alexandros> and it shows on ps ax | grep tftp
[05:45] <inaety_> hello when i try to print in kword my borders come terribly off and everything seems right in the configuration..(X inch width, Y inch Border) but it comes off in my printer..
[05:45] <genii> alexandros: I have mine setup to run as a daemon, not from inted
[05:45] <alexandros> but even so, it still doesn't work
[05:46] <genii> alexandros: My ps ax|grep tftp :
[05:46] <alexandros> genii: I mean, it shows on the ps ax | grep tftp   but when the client tries to connect to the tftp host nothing happens
[05:46] <genii> alexandros: 5752 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -l -c -p -s /var/lib/tftpboot -u root    <-- switches mine runs with from init.d
[05:46] <TheGateKeeper> !time
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <TheGateKeeper> !clock
[05:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <DrHalan> the transparency doesnt work :(
[05:47] <alyssa_> tried console login then sudo kdm?
[05:47] <alexandros> ginii: what would happen if you connected to your localhost with tftp ?
[05:47] <genii> alexandros: I'll try, one moment
[05:48] <alexandros> thanks
[05:48] <Mr56k> So my Laptop takes like 2 minutes from powerup to get to login screen. It hangs for awhile during the Kubuntu progress bar. What can I do ?
[05:48] <stdin> Mr56k: disable the splash screen and see what it's stalling on
[05:48] <genii> alexandros: If i do tftp 127.0.0.1 I get a prompt fine
[05:49] <Mr56k> how do i do that???
[05:49] <Mr56k> press a key?
[05:49] <cedric_> he he
[05:49] <stdin> Mr56k: do you have the tftp client installed ?
[05:49] <alexandros> genii: can you try to do tftp 124.124.124.124  ?
[05:49] <stdin> Mr56k: opps
[05:50] <alexandros> genii: it seems like tftp doens care what ip you enter
[05:50] <stdin> Mr56k: not you
[05:50] <genii> alexandros: Trying
[05:50] <stdin> alexandros:  do you have the tftp client installed ?
[05:50] <alexandros> stdin: yes. I did apt-get install tftp
[05:50] <stdin> Mr56k: press Alt-F1 when booting to see
[05:50] <genii> alexandros: at the tftp> prompt put   connect hit enter
[05:50] <Mr56k> thx be right back
[05:50] <genii> then IP 127.0.0.1
[05:51] <alexandros> thats what I did
[05:51] <alexandros> genii: but even if I entered IP 12.12.12.12  it would still behave the exact same way
[05:52] <grendal_prime> we got a guy here that installed kubuntu but all his filenames just show up as  blocks..like he is missing a font or something. its a fiesty install
[05:52] <alexandros> stdin: is there any way to set this?
[05:52] <genii> alexandros: Put some file in /var/lib/tftpboot called something simple like test     then do tftp    then connect then local IP then go   get test   then quit and see if it put file tes in local dir
[05:52] <oxyram> hi everyone
[05:52] <stdin> alexandros: "sudo netstat -lp | grep tftp" may show it
[05:52] <alexandros> ok
[05:52] <genii> alexandros: If so then it works
[05:53] <genii> alexandros: Remember you cannot do ls or dir with tftp, you need to know the exact filename already
[05:55] <alexandros> stdin: it seems to be working
[05:55] <jthomas> !ati
[05:55] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:55] <Mr56k> Ok im back...   My boot is hanging on "Configuring Network Services" for over a minute. Before that and after that it flies. What can I do to speed the boot up ?
[05:55] <alexandros> genii: ok I received the file.
[05:56] <genii> alexandros: Then it works
[05:56] <alexandros> genii: however the laptop (client) responds "TFTP open timeout" when its trying to net boot
[05:56] <MilhousePunkRock> Mr56k: Maybe you are trying to use DHCP on a network with static IPs?
[05:57] <genii> alexandros: Is it getting an IP then starting the initrd process?
[05:57] <Mr56k> its my home connect. I have dsl that uses DHCP through a Linksysy wireless router
[05:57] <TheGateKeeper> where are the timezone config files?
[05:57] <Mr56k> anything I can try  ?
[05:57] <alexandros> genii: the client? it's getting an IP
[05:57] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Hey! try tzconfig
[05:58] <alexandros> genii: I dont know about initrd process though
[05:58] <TheGateKeeper> hiya MilhousePunkRock how goes it? (BTW thanks :-) )
[05:58] <booya> !info K3b
[05:58] <ubotu> k3b: A sophisticated KDE CD burning application. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 4912 kB, installed size 9404 kB
[05:59] <alexandros> genii: the fact that I could connect locally to my tftpd and retrieve a file means that the problem lies somewhere within the DHCP setting right?
[05:59] <genii> alexandros: Yes, that is my next place to look.
[05:59] <vincent> -join #kubuntu-nl
[05:59] <vincent> shit
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Other than I locked myself (or rather the laptop) out of the WLAN, I'm fine
[05:59] <Dreamore> Hello!
[05:59] <genii> alexandros: I have a generic dhcpd.conf you could use if you like
[05:59] <MilhousePunkRock> !language > vincent
[06:00] <alexandros> genii: that would be great
[06:00] <genii> alexandros: 1 minute, need to ssh ind grab it/pastebin it
[06:00] <booya> i have a problem :P
[06:00] <vincent> MilhousePunkRock: sorry
[06:00] <booya> what is the library for k3b to be able to burn mp3's ?
[06:00] <alexandros> ok!
[06:01] <alexandros> genii: altough I dont know how to receive a pastebin file
[06:01] <stdin> booya: libk3b2-mp3
[06:01] <TheGateKeeper> MilhousePunkRock: yeah :/ do you happen to to know which config file kubuntu uses in /etc/ for the clock, timezone etc?
[06:01] <booya> thanks stdin :P
[06:01] <Mr56k> My machine hangs at "Configuring Network Services" . Anyone think of anything I can try?
[06:01] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Well, I don't know by heart, but I could look it up...
[06:01] <stdin> alexandros: you use open the url that genii posts
[06:02] <alexandros> stdin: sounds convenient:D
[06:02] <vincent> MilhousePunkRock: but saying sh(t isnt that bad= or are you Amish=
[06:02] <stdin> alexandros: that's why we use it :)
[06:02] <johnmc> do you have more than one card Mr56k
[06:02] <genii> bah forgot address (me bad)
[06:02] <genii> !paste | genii
[06:02] <Mr56k> nope its a laptop. Built in
[06:02] <stdin> vincent: it's against the IRC Guidelines  and the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[06:03] <vincent> ok
[06:03] <stdin> genii: it's in the /topic
[06:03] <johnmc> I was doopid enough to spend an hour finding that when I first went to Ubuntu from firefox
[06:04] <vincent> anyhow, im off
[06:04] <MilhousePunkRock> vincent: This is a clean language channel and there is no point discussing it
[06:04] <vincent> ok
[06:04] <johnmc> tried ping localhost mr56k do the simple stuff :)
[06:05] <Mr56k> is it possible any startup process is slowing it down that I can kill ?
[06:05] <stdin> Mr56k: is it wireless or a wired connection ?
[06:05] <Mr56k> that has to do with networking
[06:05] <Mr56k> wireless
[06:06] <stdin> Mr56k: do you connect with knetowrkmanager ?
[06:06] <johnmc> hard to tell if you cant get it going
[06:06] <Mr56k> yes
[06:06] <Mr56k> knetworkmanager
[06:06] <stdin> Mr56k: ahh, I see
[06:06] <johnmc> wouldn't think so unless its an X issue
[06:06] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: The only thing I found in /etc that is obviously related to time settings it "timezone"
[06:07] <genii> alexandros: On my network, that card on the server is 192.168.0.100 and the network is 192.168.0.0      Yours may differ, but adjust accordingly. i removed another stanza which gives partular files to boot by MAC address which you don't need here. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33579/
[06:07] <TheGateKeeper> ok thanks MilhousePunkRock I think that is a binary file
[06:08] <stdin> Mr56k: edit /etc/network/interfaces (kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces) and remove the line with "auto wlan0" (if wlan0 is your wireless interface), you could also remove the other ones but that would stop you getting an IP automatically for a wired connection
[06:08] <MilhousePunkRock> TheGateKeeper: Nope, plain text... Just contains the zone info here...
[06:08] <Mr56k> also on a laptop when I close the lid if I want it to sleep should I choose Hibernate or suspend ?
[06:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Mr56k: suspend
[06:08] <Mr56k> thx
[06:08] <alexandros> genii: ok man!! Im checking it out right now!
[06:08] <Mr56k> thx stdin
[06:09] <stdin> Mr56k: sleep would be suspend, hibernate is "suspend to disk" (in windows)
[06:09] <genii> AFK, ordering lunch
[06:10] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: It's called suspend to disk in linux too, isn't it? Unlike "suspend to RAM" which is what some refer to as sleep, or even stand-by...
[06:10] <stdin> genii: hmm, coffee and banana nut muffin ? :p
[06:11] <BluesKaj> well, wifey and i are going to Manitoulin Island to sample some smoked whitefish and some scenery
[06:11] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: suspend and hibernate are the common terms most distros use (and the kernel)
[06:11] <BluesKaj> later gents ..have a good day
[06:12] <stdin> later BluesKaj
[06:12] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: I know. Technically speaking those should be referred to as S3 and S4 sleep states, IIRC... ;)
[06:13] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: heh, well yes :p
[06:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Assuming I would want KNetworkManager to be like it was when it was freshly set up on Feisty (listing wireless networks, spinning gear and such), what config files would I need to revert or even delete?
[06:15] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: I would think ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[06:16] <alexandros> genii: it doesnt work. now the client doesnt even retrieve its own IP from the dhcp host
[06:16] <johnmc> think I'd lie to it about where it was unless it was stopping it booting but I'm slack
[06:16] <cool_gamer8119> Excuse me... can someone help?
[06:16] <stdin> !ask
[06:16] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> cool_gamer8119: Don't ask to ask, just ask
[06:16] <cool_gamer8119> >>;
[06:17] <genii> alexandros: I forgot 1 line ... add in: range 192.168.0.101 192.168.0.199;    or appropriate range
[06:17] <alexandros> ok
[06:17] <cool_gamer8119> I have to be able to write to my NTFS filesystem... but i dont know how... every time i try to, it says "Read-only Filesystem"... what do i do?
[06:17] <genii> stdin: No, BLT and V8 today :)
[06:17] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: That wasn't it... I guess it will be something like /etc/network/interfaces
[06:17] <MilhousePunkRock> cool_gamer8119: You will need ntfs-3g
[06:17] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | cool_gamer8119
[06:17] <ubotu> cool_gamer8119: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:18] <stdin> genii: nice :)
[06:18] <cool_gamer8119> ok thanks
[06:18] <genii> alexandros: That line was in the part I took out and i forgot to keep it in when pasting
[06:18] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: knwtworkmanager ignores /etc/network/interfaces normally
[06:19] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Probably only until the point where you make a "manual connection" for the first time (which I need to do because I have static IPs), but now I am lacking an easy GUI option to enter the WPA-PSK
[06:19] <cool_gamer8119> How do i enable the "Universe" repo?
[06:20] <MilhousePunkRock> cool_gamer8119: Easiest is in adept, manage repositories
[06:20] <cool_gamer8119> ok thanks
[06:20] <johnmc> can anyone give a nod to any particular ipod software for linux??
[06:21] <stdin> !ipod
[06:21] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[06:21] <cool_gamer8119> Amarok
[06:21] <cool_gamer8119> i use that
[06:21] <johnmc> oh thanks stdin
[06:21] <MilhousePunkRock> johnmc: I don't have an iPod, but Amarok is pretty good with various portable players
[06:21] <alexandros> ginii: this range thing should be added as an option right?
[06:21] <johnmc> thanks milhouse
[06:22] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: Any ideas on how to make knetworkmanager ignore the /etc/network/interfaces again?
[06:22] <genii> alexandros: In my original entry, it was just below:filename="pxelinux.0";
[06:22] <johnmc> these fandangled things that even girls can work
[06:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Amarok or the iPod, johnmc? ;)
[06:22] <johnmc> does it boot in safe mode?
[06:23] <alexandros> ginii: ok!
[06:23] <johnmc> oh the ipod
[06:23] <johnmc> I set it and Ubuntu at the same time so I was strangling my wireless connections
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> johnmc: You shouldn't need a science degree for any mp3 player, I guess...
[06:23] <stdin> MilhousePunkRock: I think it will start normally if the interface hasn't been assigned an IP address, if it has then it will differ to 'interfaces'
[06:24] <johnmc> true
[06:24] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: I shall check that out in a moment
[06:25] <stdin> hmm, maybe you should add a bug/wish on knetworkmanager about being able to assign a static IP
[06:25] <johnmc> I just made it hard for myself over excited about actually spending pokie money instead of putting it back was a shock to the system
[06:25] <khandi> hello i wanted to ask if someone could help me with my soundcard. it is only able to use one application at a time. i already installed alsa-oss. But it seems to me i need to do something else with it than just typinh aoss in front of the file i'd like it to run with
[06:26] <brozz87> hello boys! for server pc it's better pentium III 800 MHz or Intel Celeron 900 Mhz?
[06:26] <alexandros> genii: ok now client retrieve its IP address from DHCP. but then I still get TFTP open timeout     :D
[06:26] <genii> alexandros: Do you have in /var/lib/tftpboot the file: pxelinux.0   and the directory pxelinux.cfg which has at least one file called default in it?
[06:26] <stdin> khandi: some (old) applications use the old "OSS" sound system, they will "lock" the sound card, sometimes aoss helps, sometimes not...
[06:27] <stdin> khandi: it's up to those applications to be made to work with ALSA
[06:27] <khandi> stdin, ok and what do you suppose i do about it?
[06:27] <alexandros> genii: yeap!  do u think it has something to do with NAT ?
[06:27] <stdin> khandi: what applications are locking the sound card?
[06:27] <khandi> stdin or is there no sollution? :D
[06:27] <jhutchins> khandi: Demand that the developers stop using oss.
[06:28] <johnmc> I used a little USB sound card plugin that solved probs they're cheap on ebay
[06:28] <khandi> stdin well... all of them... surely... it works like this: if i strat Amarok or Teamspeak or whatever, then my games cease to use my soundcard. all my games
[06:28] <jhutchins> khandi: Try to get the collosal ego of a developer to accept that you might want to do other things while his program is running.
[06:28] <khandi> stdin, well 3d games that is... i don't know about chess
[06:28] <genii> alexandros: No, i doubt it. Likely some path or initrd issues with pxelinux.o or in the /var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default    entries
[06:29] <stdin> khandi: have a look in system settings > sound system
[06:29] <jhutchins> khandi: Generally 3D games make no effort to share the system.
[06:29] <stdin> khandi: make sure that's set to use the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[06:29] <khandi> jhutchins,so how do people use  teamspeak while playing? haha
[06:29] <khandi> stdin, i'll check
[06:29] <genii> alexandros: When in /var/lib/tftpboot   did you wget the netboot files and initrd for the dist you are trying to install?
[06:30] <khandi> stdin ok im there
[06:30] <alexandros> genii: when I do tcpdump I get the following packet:
[06:30] <alexandros> genii: 19:29:41.180876 IP 192.168.0.200.2078 > 192.168.0.1.tftp:  32 RRQ "pxelinux.0" octet blksize 1456
[06:30] <stdin> khandi: the setting is in the hardware tab
[06:30] <khandi> stdin.. ok
[06:30] <cool_gamer8119> can someone tell me how to unmount the ntfs filesystem?
[06:30] <alexandros> genii: yeap I got the feisty ones
[06:30] <stdin> khandi: Select the audio device... set that to ALSA
[06:31] <khandi> stdin how?
[06:31] <johnmc> umound (drivename)
[06:31] <stdin> khandi: see the drop down list?
[06:31] <khandi> yes
[06:31] <cool_gamer8119> ok
[06:31] <johnmc> oops use a t
[06:31] <khandi> ah ok got it
[06:31] <stdin> khandi: click it, select "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture "
[06:31] <sayers> how long should this take to partiton?
[06:31] <khandi> stdin got it
[06:31] <sayers> it's sat on 0% on my laptop forever
[06:32] <stdin> khandi: then click apply
[06:32] <khandi> stdin, did it... did not work
[06:32] <johnmc> bout an hour by the time its formatted depending on size and file system
[06:32] <jhutchins> sayers: If you're changing size of a partition with data it can take a really long time.
[06:33] <stdin> khandi: if the applications don't work they are using OSS, nothing you can do about that except maybe use aoss
[06:33] <sayers> jhutchins: thats what I'm doing
[06:33] <sayers> this isnt on my computer so Im really scared :)
[06:33] <stdin> khandi: if that doesn't work, you're stuck
[06:33] <genii> alexandros: My layout is for dapper but should be similar. i did the wget which put underneath the tftpboot dir the dir dapper-installer/i386   then I made a symlink to dapper-installer/i386/pxelinux.0   and initrd.gz in the tftpboot directory
[06:33] <jhutchins> sayers: Did you clean and defrag the partition before you started/
[06:33] <jhutchins> ?
[06:33] <khandi> stdin, ok mate thanks for your help!
[06:33] <genii> alexandros: Do you have also an initrd.gz or symlink to one there ?
[06:34] <khandi> stdin, do you play World of Padman or enemy territory? those are the games i experienced these problems with.. perhaps it can give you a clue on how to fix it :D
[06:34] <cool_gamer8119> I cant unmount my ntfs filesystem?!?!
[06:34] <alexandros> genii: I'll try to do that
[06:34] <stdin> khandi: if it's games and stuff, try asking on the game support forums why they don't use alsa
[06:34] <khandi> stdin, lol ok, don't think it will help much tho
[06:34] <stdin> khandi: are these games from adept or somewhere else?
[06:34] <khandi> stdin, somewhere else..
[06:35] <genii> alexandros: Also make sure to restart tftp daemon to make changes stick
[06:35] <stdin> khandi: running natively or in wine?
[06:35] <khandi> stdin for all i know adept seems to work... but i do not know for sure
[06:35] <cool_gamer8119> D: my computer wont let me unmount my NTFS filesystem...
[06:35] <khandi> stdin natively
[06:35] <stdin> khandi: then you should complain
[06:35] <alexandros> genii: yes I have initrd.gz
[06:35] <alexandros> genii: aaargghhh..  I have to go:(   I really appreciate your help man! I'll try to fix it afterwards and if I get you online I'll tell you how I did it
[06:35] <stdin> khandi: OSS support is supposed to be dropped, it's horribly out dated
[06:36] <genii> alexandros: OK. i'm here a lot :) Good luck
[06:36] <alexandros> genii: thanks man, u're great! cya!
[06:36] <khandi> stdin, i will put a complain if i can't get it to work properly. thanks for all your advice :)
[06:36] <stdin> khandi: the only way to get the company's to listen is to talk to them :p
[06:37] <johnmc> all that OSS junk mail for nought, snigger
[06:37] <DrHalan> is file transfer posisible with kopete? :S
[06:37] <cool_gamer8119> :( i cant unmount my ntfs partition
[06:37] <johnmc> what command are you using cool gamer
[06:38] <stdin> DrHalan: depends on the network but, generally, yes
[06:38] <khandi> stdin well that seems reasonable enough :)
[06:38] <cool_gamer8119> umount (partitionname)
[06:38] <DrHalan> stdin, how?
[06:38] <stdin> DrHalan: right click the contact and choose send file
[06:38] <nojoints> Hello I got a problem with Kopete; When I log into an MSN I get logged on but everyone is offline and I know that atleast 1 is always online on msn and the litter butterfly in the corner is flapping it wings but nothing more happens after that
[06:39] <genii> DrHalan: ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-175260.html
[06:39] <DrHalan> stdin, doenst work for icq :(
[06:39] <genii> bah
[06:39] <cool_gamer8119> whenever i try to unmount my ntfs partition it says "
[06:39] <cool_gamer8119> oops
[06:39] <johnmc> the command is umount (drivename) if you're getting at it in linux, windows thinks unmounting itself is a bad idea
[06:39] <genii> DrHalan: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-175260.html
[06:39] <cool_gamer8119> whenever i try to unmount my ntfs partition it says "umount: hda3 is not mounted (according to mtab)"
[06:40] <cool_gamer8119> i am in linux....
[06:40] <stdin> DrHalan: I never use ICQ, so I can't say if it's possible
[06:40] <khandi> stdin, but it is unlikely that my system "claims" my entire sound drive? i heard somewhere that in certain cases kubuntu can claim your drive instead of sharing it with other applications
[06:40] <khandi> stdin, know anything about that?
[06:40] <genii> stdin: I use ICQ and it doesn't work
[06:40] <cool_gamer8119> i am just used to saying partition instead of drive....
[06:41] <vince_> Hi all, can anyone help me please. I am trying to install an FTP client yet if I use sud apt-get *Blah*Blah*Blah* it comes back with an error and if I try to use the K --> add/remover programs it states "another program is probably using adept(-get) or apptitude. I have looked at the processes and cant seem to see much, any ideas? would be highly appreciated.
[06:41] <khandi> cool_gamer8119, do you have it properly configured in your fstab file?
[06:41] <genii> vince onto the sud put o like sudo
[06:41] <stdin> khandi: you can't have both systems in use at the same time, so if something is using ALSA, then OSS is blocked. if that's what you mean
[06:41] <cool_gamer8119> ?!?!
[06:41] <cool_gamer8119> khandi: i dont know....
[06:42] <vince_> geni lol sorry typo I am putting sudo
[06:42] <stdin> khandi: arts will block OSS for a while too, there's a kicker applet to suspend arts
[06:42] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: Have you considered that your soundcard might not be capable of hardware mixing?
[06:43] <khandi> cool_gamer8119, you should check online how to configure NTFS drives in your fstab.. google on ubuntu ntfs fstab. it will get you somewhere :D
[06:43] <genii> vince_: If adept-updater or update notifier is running it will prevent other programs which want to use package system from running. You may see it's icon in bottom right corner if it is going
[06:43] <khandi> milhousepunkrock, yes i considered it possible yes, but i don't know where to check that.. it seems weird it is just a soundblaster card
[06:44] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: ALSA is capable of software mixing though, I have had a similar issue (on another distribution though) which vanished after the right setting was applied.
[06:45] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: Of course I do not remember what setting that was, and I still did not start taking notes after more than a year on Linux...
[06:45] <khandi> milhousepunkrock. any idea how i can acces those settings using feisty?
[06:45] <khandi> milhousepunkrock haha ok made your point :D
[06:45] <genii> vince_: If nothing like that is running you may need to do the aptfix to forcibly free up the packaging system ,
[06:45] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: must be something like alsa-config or so...
[06:45] <vince_> geni: there is only sound, kompete, amarok, wifi, klipper, Korganizer, battery, firewall and konversation
[06:45] <genii> !aptfix > vince_
[06:46] <khandi> milhousepunkrock, will check that thanks
[06:46] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: You should not be scared of the CLI for it though...
[06:46] <cool_gamer8119> what is confusing me is that my ntfs filesystem is mounted but it wont let me unmount it...
[06:46] <MilhousePunkRock> cool_gamer8119: Did you try pumount?
[06:46] <khandi> MilhousePunkRock what do you mean? :D
[06:47] <cool_gamer8119> pumount???
[06:47] <vince_> geni: thanx will try that now, thanks again much appreciated.
[06:47] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: That you might have to use something on a terminal, or even modify the config files yourself
[06:47] <cool_gamer8119> omg it worked!
[06:47] <khandi> MilhousePunkRock ah ok, well im not too worried about that :D
[06:47] <cool_gamer8119> Thanks MilhousePunkRock!
[06:48] <khandi> MilhousePunkRock will make a backup if something goes wrong i'll just replace it
[06:48] <MilhousePunkRock> cool_gamer8119: That's for mounting and unmounting stuff without su privileges
[06:48] <cool_gamer8119> ok
[06:48] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: That's indeed a smart move...
[06:49] <MilhousePunkRock> stdin: mv'ing the /etc/network/interfaces brought up the wireless network list...
[06:50] <MilhousePunkRock> Now the big question: Will it let me enter the WPA-PSK there and let me configure the static IP afterwards?
[06:51] <khandi> MilhousePunkRock do you think it will help if i run my natively program using adsp. and see if it might work? instead of dsp. or should that not matter?
[06:51] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: dsp as in digital signal processor? I know nothing about that...
[06:52] <khandi> well my teamspeak settings state that it uses my dps system as a sound driver...
[06:52] <khandi> milhousepunkrock, well my teamspeak settings state that it uses my dps system as a sound driver...
[06:52] <MilhousePunkRock> khandi: I have never dealt with TS in Linux, sorry...
[06:57] <saki_knin> "ubuntu-yu
[06:57] <saki_knin> #ubuntu-yu
[06:58] <khandi> anyone here dealt with Teamspeak? im having problems to get it to work. it seems i can only use one application for my sound... anyone else have experience with this?
[06:59] <facugaich> I'd like to change the way kubuntu looks, where can I start?
[07:00] <ones> .
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> facugaich: System Settings --> Appearance
[07:00] <MilhousePunkRock> facugaich: Browse around on http://www.kde-look.org too
[07:00] <cool_gamer8119> I still cant write to ntfs....
[07:00] <cool_gamer8119> :(
[07:00] <vince_> geni: I have tried the bots console command plus tried all variations plus went into the folder where sudo lock is and it says it 0kb 'empty document' and console command keeps saying cant find it.
[07:02] <jhutchins> What does gnome use for a password manager?
[07:02] <vince_> genii: sorry got ur nick wrong.
[07:03] <stdin> jhutchins: better to ask that in #ubuntu or #gnome
[07:03] <cool_gamer8119> I still cant write to ntfs....
[07:03] <jhutchins> stdin: Sure, I'm just bein' lazy.
[07:03] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: What have you done so far?
[07:03] <stdin> jhutchins: I'm not a gnome user, so I have no clue :p
[07:04] <jhutchins> We do see an occasional graduate from gnome here.
[07:04] <cool_gamer8119> It is mounted... just i cant write to it
[07:04] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: What have you done so far?
[07:04] <khandi> stdin, i got it to work with at least one game now! but the other wont work :(
[07:04] <khandi> stdin, i just ran my teamspeak with aoss :D
[07:05] <khandi> stdin, that seemed to do the trick for World of Padman :D
[07:05] <stdin> khandi: the only game I need is frozen bubble, as long as I have that I'm happy :)
[07:06] <khandi> stdin, lol :D
[07:06] <vince_> bbl
[07:07] <cool_gamer8119> jhutchins, it is mounted... i cant write to it
[07:07] <stdin> cool_gamer8119: how did you mount it?
[07:07] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: Have you installed ntfs-3g and ntfs-config/
[07:07] <jhutchins> ?
[07:07] <cool_gamer8119> yes
[07:08] <jhutchins> Did you un-mount and re-mount the drive?
[07:08] <cool_gamer8119> no...
[07:08] <cool_gamer8119> i restarted Kubuntu
[07:08] <jhutchins> Gotta do at least that.  Possibly reboot, we've been debating that here.
[07:08] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: Did you reboot or just restart X?
[07:08] <cool_gamer8119> reboot
[07:09] <jhutchins> run ntfs-config?
[07:09] <cool_gamer8119> how?
[07:09] <jhutchins> alt-F2
[07:10] <cool_gamer8119> if i do that..... wont i go into TTYL2?
[07:10] <cool_gamer8119> or whatever it is called
[07:11] <DrHalan> i cant install libpango or libpangocommon because both request each other to be installed
[07:12] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: You can also run it from a console.
[07:12] <cool_gamer8119> i am going to do that
[07:12] <cool_gamer8119> or not
[07:13] <stdin> cool_gamer8119: Alt-F2 opens the run command dialog, it doesn't send you to tty2
[07:14] <cool_gamer8119> oh....
[07:14] <cool_gamer8119> when i do that i get...
[07:14] <cool_gamer8119> KDEInit could not launch 'gksu'.:
[07:14] <cool_gamer8119> Could not find 'gksu' executable.
[07:15] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: kdesu
[07:15] <cool_gamer8119> ???
[07:15] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: What did you do?
[07:15] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: ntfs-config in the run dialog (alt-F20?
[07:15] <cool_gamer8119> i hit alt+F2 and ntfs-config
[07:16] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: Ok this time alt-f2 kdesu ntfs-config
[07:16] <jhutchins> cool_gamer8119: Sorry, we're so used to that that we forget and leave it off.
[07:16] <cool_gamer8119> its ok
[07:16] <jhutchins> stdin: Someone needs to bugreport that if ntfs-config calls gksu instead of kdesu.
[07:16] <cool_gamer8119> lol
[07:17] <stdin> jhutchins: I'm looking in to it as we speak :p
[07:17] <jhutchins> tnx
[07:20] <stdin> jhutchins: already reported it seems :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-config/+bug/109653
[07:21] <cimma> how i get the search-function from suse to ubuntu
[07:22] <cimma> its in the kmenu and you can search for the programmnames
[07:22] <jhutchins> stdin: Reported and fixed upstream.
[07:23] <stdin> jhutchins: yeah, but upsteam fails to build :/
[07:23] <StoneNewt> hum any idea my laptop never reboots or shutsdown from kdm/kde shutdown menu but if I type the 'sudo command shutdown -h now' or 'sudo restart' into a console it will shutdown/restart every time
[07:24] <StoneNewt> it's almost like the shutdown order is diffrent!
[07:24] <genii> StoneNewt: Perhaps put in kernel load line acpi=force
[07:25] <StoneNewt> genii: but why the diff between the kde/kdm dialog and typing it into a console?
[07:26] <genii> StoneNewt: Not sure but i had some old IBM bios pre 2000 that were like this. had to use kernel option acpi=force to make it shut off from wm
[07:26] <StoneNewt> intresting this is a new ibm
[07:29] <karen> Hey, I just installed Kubuntu on my laptop and I can't get wireless internet to work...
[07:29] <karen> (I'm on wired...)
[07:29] <genii> StoneNewt: If hardware APIC / ACPI related scouring dmesg may have something in there about it
[07:30] <stdin> karen: wireless card/chipset?
[07:30] <karen> It's an Acer..
[07:30] <lovaspillando> hi
[07:31] <lovaspillando> can I ask you for some help? (any manual helps me since two days :-/)
[07:31] <stdin> karen: post what "lspci | grep Acer"  shows
[07:31] <stdin> !ask | lovaspillando
[07:31] <ubotu> lovaspillando: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:32] <lovaspillando> thanks
[07:32] <lovaspillando> well, I have Ubunto 7.04, wanted to install apache2 and tomcat5.5
[07:33] <lovaspillando> after isntalling tomcat 5.5 and running (ps -def | grep tomcat shows me is running), I cant access localhost:8080
[07:33] <lovaspillando> port seem closed
[07:33] <karen> It shows nothing..
[07:33] <lovaspillando> (may be you  already noticed, I am so newbie even if I were programing for linux lot of years ago)
[07:33] <SeicherlBoB> hi there! is there a tool for checking the powerusage of a laptop running kubuntu?
[07:33] <lovaspillando> karen: right, shows me nothing
[07:34] <stdin> lovaspillando: take a look in "sudo netstat -lp | grep tomcat" to see what address/port it's listening to
[07:34] <jhutchins> karen: In a console, does sudo lspci show something that looks like it might be a wireless card/
[07:34] <lovaspillando> mmm I will see now, thanks
[07:34] <StoneNewt> genii: ohh intresting!
[07:35] <lovaspillando> lp: error: no default destination avaliable
[07:35] <redshadowhero> karen: if you need to cut/paste things from the console, use pastebin
[07:35] <StoneNewt> if I use the gui the first thing kde does is kill the network connection... however with shutdown/restart it is shutdown by the init scripts!
[07:35] <redshadowhero> !pastebin | karen
[07:35] <ubotu> karen: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:36] <StoneNewt> thus with kde the shares just hang and never get unmounted! well they probablly would if I waited long eough
[07:36] <lovaspillando> mmmm
[07:36] <lovaspillando> dont shows me nothing
[07:36] <lovaspillando> seems tomcat is no listening them?
[07:37] <stdin> lovaspillando: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheTomcat5
[07:38] <lovaspillando> thanks stdin, I will see now
[07:38] <stdin> lovaspillando: tomcat apparently uses port 8180 not 8080 too
[07:38] <lovaspillando> btw: thanks from Spain ;-)
[07:38] <stdin> (I get that from that page, not from experience)
[07:39] <jhutchins> What's the point of tomcat as opposed to apache?
[07:39] <genii> StoneNewt:
[07:39] <lovaspillando> neither 8180
[07:39] <karen> jhutchins: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33584/
[07:40] <stdin> karen: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device < seem to be your wireless
[07:40] <lovaspillando> jhutchins: I connected apache with tomcat using mod_jk, but first I must ensure is workingg by him own
[07:40] <stdin> karen: what version of kubuntu do you have ?
[07:40] <karen> 7.04
[07:41] <stdin> should work then..
[07:41] <jhutchins> karen:
[07:41] <jhutchins> karen: ehernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (r
[07:41] <stdin> karen: dose the command "lsmod | grep ath" show anything ?
[07:41] <stdin> jhutchins: beat you to it :p
[07:43] <nosrednaekim> just because its atheros doesn't mean it should work at all.... I've tried fiesty on 3 atheros cards, none of which work.
[07:43] <stdin> nosrednaekim: atheros is supported by the "madwifi" driver, included in feisty
[07:43] <redshadowhero> and how would one enable that to work, stdin
[07:43] <redshadowhero> ??
[07:44] <karen> stdin:
[07:44] <karen> karen@Alexander:~$ lsmod | grep ath
[07:44] <karen> ath_pci                97312  0
[07:44] <karen> wlan                  204484  1 ath_pci
[07:44] <karen> ath_hal               192592  1 ath_pci
[07:44] <nosrednaekim> stdin: not all hardware works with it, and your specific laptop model can even affect it, regarding software switches, and HAL problems.
[07:44] <Assid> yello!
[07:45] <stdin> karen: what does "iwconfig" show? post it to pastebin
[07:45] <nosrednaekim> karen: does iwconfig show a "ath0"?
[07:45] <lovaspillando> well, I will uninstall and reinstall it again, so see you in some minutes
[07:45] <lovaspillando> thanks for all
[07:45] <stdin> redshadowhero: what? the atheros card?
[07:45] <redshadowhero> stdin: yes... I'm a friend of hers, and I'm just trying to help
[07:45] <nosrednaekim> thats the idea stdin... :)
[07:46] <grendal_prime> ok where do we get repos for flash and "unofficial repos" media and whatnot
[07:46] <nosrednaekim> !mediaubuntu
[07:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mediaubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <stdin> !repos | grendal_prime
[07:46] <ubotu> grendal_prime: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:46] <Assid> wassup stdin
[07:46] <karen> It says "no wireless extensions"...
[07:46] <stdin> Assid: the sky? ;)
[07:47] <Assid> hehe
[07:47] <Assid> bah.. this is irritating
[07:47] <stdin> karen: what about just "iwconfig"
[07:47] <Assid> i just booted to this kernel
[07:47] <Assid> and now.. it doesnt wanna come up
[07:47] <Assid> makes sense to you?
[07:47] <redshadowhero> stdin: she just did that
[07:47] <Assid> oh wait it did
[07:47] <redshadowhero> stdin: I'm sitting right next to her... and she wanted to do this herself
[07:47] <yamal> according to madwifi website: device 001C is "not supported by HAL as of 2007.04.28", but should work with ndiswrapper
[07:47] <Assid> something wrong with kwallet
[07:48] <Assid> its opening 2 i think
[07:48] <stdin> redshadowhero, karen: is there a "wifi0" ?
[07:48] <nosrednaekim> redshadowhero: karen: please pastebin the results of the command "iwconfig"
[07:48] <jhutchins> stdin: I think it should be ath0
[07:49] <stdin> jhutchins: the "wifi0" device is the controller, "ath0" is virtual
[07:49] <nosrednaekim> jhutchins: stdin: where there is a ath0 there is a wifi0...
[07:49] <jhutchins> ah, of course.
[07:49] <stdin> jhutchins: sometimes the driver doesn't autocreate the ath0 device
[07:49] <jhutchins> Yeah, mine hangs on the firmware loader.
[07:50] <sayers> hello I have my wifi detected but when it trys to activate it doesnt.
[07:50] <redshadowhero> stdin: it say "no wireless extensions" on lo and eth0, and those are the only ones listed
[07:50] <nosrednaekim> redshadowhero: ok, looks like you are going to have to use ndiswrapper
[07:51] <redshadowhero> nosrednaekim: yeah, I figured that, too. How would one do that?
[07:51] <karen> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33587/
[07:53] <Assid> jhutchins: hey!! i got kvpnc to do the job
[07:53] <nosrednaekim> redshadowhero: you have to get the windows drivers. and the package ndiswrapper
[07:53] <stdin> redshadowhero, karen: you want to try the latest driver first? (requires compiling it, but it's quite simple)
[07:53] <nosrednaekim> stdin: the docs say that its not supported
[07:54] <stdin> nosrednaekim: what docs?
[07:54] <redshadowhero> stdin: I have to go back to work, but can you please walk her through it?
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> the madwifi compatibility list.
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> according to madwifi website: device 001C is "not supported by HAL as of 2007.04.28", but should work with ndiswrapper
[07:54] <nosrednaekim> yamal: just posted that^^
[07:55] <stdin> nosrednaekim: that's funny, because "lspci | grep Ath" on my system shows "05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01)"
[07:55] <stdin> and it works here
[07:55] <yamal> maybe they are late updating their compatibility stuff
[07:56] <nosrednaekim> oh :P now I feel dumb
[07:56] <redshadowhero> stdin: this is her first time on ubuntu, and she isn't very familiar with command line and the k menu and such
[07:57] <jhutchins> Assid: what were the required steps?
[07:57] <nosrednaekim> stdin: think we should put her through compiliing?
[07:57] <yamal> and on feisty 168c:001c is listed in modinfo for madwifi modules :? weirdness
[07:58] <Assid> jhutchins: stupid thing needed mppe and also i had to put the pptp gateway in the route
[07:58] <stdin> nosrednaekim: yeah, it's just a "make ; sudo make install"
[07:58] <redshadowhero> stdin: or, if I get off work later, you can walk me through the installation via ndswrapper, if you prefer?
[07:59] <harmental_> hey guys...i know gustsy is alpha...but i cannot wait to upgrade my system and enjoy all those exciting new features....
[07:59] <nosrednaekim> stdin: ok, go ahead :)
[07:59] <stdin> redshadowhero: I'd have to lookup how to do it with ndiswrapper..
[07:59] <jhutchins> Assid: You mean that route command I had, you needed to update for your config?
[07:59] <harmental_> is there any flagarant bugs that should keep away from upgrading?
[07:59] <harmental_> im using feisty
[07:59] <jhutchins> harmental_: Yes.
[08:00] <nosrednaekim> harmental_: thats the purpose of testing gutsy... finding bugs ;) but not any real showstopper ones for em.
[08:00] <nosrednaekim> *me
[08:00] <stdin> nosrednaekim: er, madwifi.org seem to be down
[08:00] <japaya> Hi, I've got a problem with my external USB hard disk. I've mounted it as root but don't have permission to access it :s
[08:00] <nosrednaekim> stdin: I can guide her through ndiswrapper...
[08:00] <karen> stdin:  What is ndiswrapper?
[08:00] <Assid> jhutchins: kvpnc yes.. and i needed mppe.. i didnt try pptp cli
[08:01] <nosrednaekim> karen: it uses windows drivers and makes them work for linux.
[08:01] <stdin> nosrednaekim: may as well see if ndiswrapper works
[08:01] <nosrednaekim> stdin: k
[08:01] <stdin> karen: it lets you use a windows driver for the card
[08:01] <brian__> does crontab have a default log?
[08:01] <nosrednaekim> karen: do you have windows XP on this computer?
[08:02] <ozza> yoo,hey :D
[08:02] <karen> nosrednaekim:  No, it came with Vista, which I think went away when I installed Kubuntu.
[08:02] <japaya> does anyone know what's wrong when I'm not able to access a mounted external HDD as root?
[08:02] <harmental_> nosrednaekim: i will be more than happy to report NON-CRITICAL bugs...but my system must remain STABLE cause i use it intensible for work....(ending my PhD actually)
[08:03] <stdin> japaya: you mounted it as root, so only root can access it...
[08:03] <japaya> stdin: but I'm also logged on as root...
[08:03] <stdin> harmental_: then don't upgrade
[08:03] <nosrednaekim> karen: oh, ok. well you need to find some windows XP drivers for that wireless card. could you go to the manufactures page or something?
[08:03] <brian__> Does crontab keep a log?
[08:04] <stdin> brian__: it should send logs to syslog and send you mail too
[08:04] <karen> nosrednaekim: The manufacturer for the computer?
[08:04] <stdin> japaya: how did you mount it? how are you trying to access it?
[08:04] <brian__> well, it isn't setup for mail, but where is syslog located?
[08:04] <nosrednaekim> karen: yes, please, they should have a drivers page somewhere.
[08:04] <jhutchins> karen: That's a good place to start.
[08:05] <yamal> brian__: in /var/log
[08:05] <stdin> brian__: it should be, is by default, open konsole and type "mail". syslog is in /var/log/syslog
[08:05] <japaya> stdin: I mounted it using "Disk & Filesystems" in my System Settings and I'm just double clicking the usb stick icon on my desktop to access it
[08:05] <stdin> japaya: how are you logged in as root then?
[08:06] <japaya> Just by using my name and password as the Kubuntu starts up?
[08:06] <japaya> (this is my first day on Kubuntu so I might be missing something here :)
[08:06] <stdin> japaya: then that's not root
[08:06] <grendal_prime> anything on the werid font situation..everything in this guys browse dialog boxes looks like boxes and ?'s like there is asystem font that did not get installed
[08:06] <japaya> stdin: Hehe okay, thought so when you asked the question :)
[08:06] <stdin> japaya: where is it mounted to ?
[08:07] <japaya> stdin: /media/exthdd1/
[08:07] <stdin> japaya: can you show me what this command shows "ls -ld /media/exthdd1/"
[08:08] <lesik> 
[08:08] <japaya> stdin: dr-x------ 1 root root 28672 2007-08-11 13:22 /media/exthdd1/
[08:08] <stdin> !ru | lesik
[08:08] <ubotu> lesik:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[08:08] <stdin> japaya: well that's why you don't have access :p
[08:09] <japaya> stdin: haha thought so, but how do I change those perms so I get access to it?
[08:09] <stdin> japaya: is the device always going to be connected to the system?
[08:09] <japaya> stdin: no, it's just to transport some files
[08:09] <japaya> stdin: between school, friends etc...
[08:10] <japaya> stdin: It's actually an IDE drive
[08:10] <nosrednaekim> karen: if you cannot find them, don;t worry about it.
[08:10] <dreamore> Hello! I'm a new Kubuntu user.
[08:10] <stdin> japaya: then you'll want to remove it from disk & filesystems, as that will make a permanent entry for it
[08:10] <dreamore> I need help about changing screen resolution!
[08:10] <stdin> !resolution
[08:10] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:10] <karen> nosrednaekim: I think I'll find it..
[08:10] <nosrednaekim> dreamore: hello!
[08:11] <japaya> stdin: well actually disk & filesettings allows you to chose for mount on startup or not
[08:11] <dreamore> nosrednaekim: hello. Can you help me?
[08:11] <jlinares> hola como estan?
[08:11] <japaya> stdin: so I don't know if it will be mounted permanently
[08:11] <stdin> japaya: yes, but it will make a permanent entry in /etc/fstab
[08:11] <stdin> !es | jlinares
[08:11] <ubotu> jlinares: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:11] <nosrednaekim> karen: ok. But some manufacturers no longer provide XP drivers.
[08:11] <japaya> stdin: ah okay thanks, and how do I have to mount it then?
[08:11] <brian__> Ok the syslog for crontab shows that it runs my script, and states an email was attempted, but it does not finish the script and there are no error messages in the syslog
[08:11] <jlinares> bien gracias amigos..
[08:12] <stdin> japaya: you should try using the command "pmount" to mount it after that, something like "pmount /dev/sdb1" (no sudo)
[08:12] <japaya> stdin: I have removed the mount
[08:12] <nosrednaekim> dreamore: did you look at the link that ubotu gave you?
[08:12] <stdin> japaya: also, is it ntfs?
[08:12] <dreamore> I'm at there now.
[08:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:12] <japaya> stdin: yes
[08:12] <brian__> how do I setup email for crontab?
[08:13] <stdin> japaya: you'll have to install the "ntfs-3g" package to be able to write to it
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> dreamore: okee... follow the directions. :)
[08:13] <karen> nosrednaekim: Konqueror won't display the page, so I'm getting Firefox.
[08:13] <japaya> stdin: ah nice, I've been searching for the name but couldn't find it :p
[08:13] <stdin> japaya: you can't use pmount with that though, but I'll give you the full command after you install that
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> karen: ok.
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> karen: you know how?
[08:13] <japaya> stdin: ok thx, I'll try to install that package now
[08:14] <danne_> brian__: fetchmail ?
[08:14] <karen> nosrednaekim: I got it through add/remove programs.
[08:14] <nosrednaekim> ah ok :)
[08:14] <nosrednaekim> I prefer firefox
[08:15] <dreamore> nosrednaekim: http://rafb.net/p/FshcX613.html Can you check this?
[08:15] <harmental_> jhutchins and stdin ok...ill follow the gurus lead.....
[08:15] <brian__> but where is it sending the email?
[08:15] <harmental_> see ya in october then ;o)
[08:16] <stdin> dreamore: "xserver-xorg" not "xerver-xorg"
[08:16] <japaya> stdin: done installing ntfs-3g
[08:16] <nosrednaekim> dreamore: yep
[08:16] <dreamore> stdin: What a silly error! I fixed.
[08:16] <stdin> japaya: ok, what is the device name? (something like /dev/sdb1)
[08:17] <japaya> stdin: yes I think it's /dev/sdb1 but I'd like to know how I can get a list of all devices... if that's possible?
[08:17] <japaya> stdin: so I can remember this for later :)
[08:17] <stdin> japaya: sure :) "sudo fdisk -l"
[08:18] <stdin> japaya: look for the NTFS one
[08:18] <japaya> stdin: yes, the name is /dev/sda5 and not sda1
[08:18] <japaya> *sdb1
[08:18] <brian__> well, I am out to lunch...if someone can answer, I'll bb in about an hour
[08:19] <dreamore> stdin: There is a blue screen to configure :) But can you explain about this blue screen?
[08:19] <stdin> japaya: so it's /dev/sdb1 ? just to make sure :p
[08:19] <stdin> dreamore: just keep pressing enter until you come to the resolution section, enter will just keep the settings you have already
[08:20] <karen> nosrednaekim:  Okay, I found a page with drivers.  I see some for Vista, but none for XP.
[08:20] <japaya> stdin: Well, there's a /dev/sda1 and a /dev/sda5 and the systems are "W95 ext'd (LBA)" and "HPFS/NTFS"
[08:20] <japaya> stdin: so I suppose we'll use the /dev/sda5 ?
[08:21] <zorglu_> !virtualbox
[08:21] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[08:21] <karen> nosrednaekim: http://www.acerpanam.com/flex/acerdrivers/bin/drivers.html?CFID=3221373&CFTOKEN=57623150
[08:21] <stdin> japaya: try this command out "sudo mount /dev/sdb5 /media/exthdd1 -t ntfs-3g -o fmask=111,dmask=000"
[08:22] <japaya> stdin: wow, okay :P
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> karen: looking.
[08:22] <japaya> stdin: it's sdA5 instead of stdb5, does that matter or did you just type it wrong?
[08:23] <stdin> japaya: oh, just replace sdb5 with sda5 then
[08:23] <japaya> stdin: ok, was just to make sure :)
[08:24] <sayers> why did wireless work last time but not this time
[08:25] <elite101> hey i was practicing As i Lay dying (a band) one of there songs rite and was wanting to know does Kopete support Audio Chat?!? this way i can play and my friend can hear me ?
[08:26] <elite101> i looked for if it said Audio Convo or Voice Chat but it only has: send files,webcam?
[08:26] <japaya> stdin: hmm, looks like something is wrong with the drive :s I'm going to attach it to my windows laptop... hopefully no data is lost
[08:26] <stdin> elite101: I don't think kopete does
[08:26] <elite101> shoot
[08:26] <elite101> is there an msn 7.0?
[08:26] <nosrednaekim> karen: my firfox doesn't like that page... what is it?
[08:26] <stdin> japaya: post the error you got
[08:26] <elite101> i cant use 7.5 it wont let me unless i run windowsxp
[08:26] <nosrednaekim> elite101: haha.... msn is made by microsoft.. what do YOU think?
[08:27] <elite101> lol i know
[08:27] <stdin> elite101: can't you just use a VoIP client?
[08:27] <elite101> no
[08:27] <nosrednaekim> karen: so what was on that page?drivers?
[08:27] <stdin> elite101: why?
[08:27] <dreamore> stdin: Thank you! :) My resolution is 1024x768 now!
[08:27] <karen> nosrednaekim: It's the Acer drivers and downloads page
[08:27] <elite101> i dont know how plus u  have to pay
[08:27] <stdin> elite101: no you don't
[08:27] <elite101> my friend is a drummer he is what i call technology retarded
[08:27] <elite101> ;)
[08:28] <stdin> elite101: windows user?
[08:28] <elite101> lol it would just take too much time and frusturation for him to here me
[08:28] <elite101> yeah^
[08:28] <stdin> heh
[08:28] <elite101> lol
[08:28] <japaya> stdin:
[08:28] <japaya> Failed to mount '/dev/sda5': Operation not supported
[08:28] <japaya> Mount is denied because NTFS logfile is unclean.
[08:28] <nosrednaekim> karen: oh ok, so are you wondering which thing to get?
[08:28] <japaya> oeps sorry for that :s
[08:28] <elite101> !pastebin
[08:28] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:28] <elite101> ;)
[08:28] <willem_> Hi, im getting "An error occurred while loading http://" when i try to browse, has anyone experienced this before?
[08:28] <japaya> thought it would just put everything on one line :s
[08:28] <karen> nosrednaekim: Yeah.  I don't see any for XP, just VIsta.
[08:28] <stdin> japaya: ahh, yeah you need to run the windows check disk tool on it
[08:29] <lovaspillando> sorry for changing again,
[08:29] <lovaspillando> well, thanks tahnks thanks thanks for the link to the page stdin
[08:29] <elite101> well im downloading 7.0 so it should work hopefully :) since it runs on win95-vista
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> karen: hmm ok. go to the drivers page for the acer 5050 computer ok? that uses the same chipset. and there are XP drivers
[08:29] <japaya> stdin: yes I've downloaded the ntfs utlity set but couldn't find how to checkdisk so I've attached the hdd to my laptop
[08:29] <lovaspillando> I finally have tomcat running
[08:29] <japaya> I'll do a checkdisk now
[08:29] <stdin> lovaspillando: heh, it's ubuntu policy so...
[08:30] <stdin> japaya: the linux tools can't really fix ntfs, basically because no one knows how the windows tools do it
[08:30] <lovaspillando> just sorry for changing nicknames, dindt heard about the command slash away
[08:30] <karen> nosrednaekim: Okay, thanks.
[08:31] <stdin> lovaspillando: it's ok, now you do :)
[08:31] <willem_> Hi, im getting "An error occurred while loading http://" when i try to browse, has anyone experienced this before?
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> karen: I have a 5050 so thats how I know ;)
[08:31] <japaya> stdin: I see, well it's not like checkdisk has helped me in the past... I once had "flying files" long story short... everything was really totally messed up and 70% of my files were corrupt
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> willem_: but you can talk on konversation?
, yip, I can telnet, and ping, ect ect, but not browse
[08:32] <nosrednaekim> willem_: is this konqueror?
[08:32] <karen> nosrednaekim: Ah, that's fortunate.  So, do you know which one(s) I should download?
[08:32] <willem_> browser, yes, i tried to change the browser authentication as well
[08:33] <elite101> man this suck's there is no MSN" client for Kubuntu that supports Audio Chat or Voice/convo
[08:33] <nosrednaekim> karen: there should be one on that download page for the 5050 that says something about atheros and XP.
 Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.5) KHTML/3.5.6 (like Gecko)
[08:33] <nosrednaekim> willem_: can you get firefox?
[08:33] <karen> nosrednaekim:  Okay. *looking*
[08:33] <willem_> mmm, install it off the net?
[08:33] <elite101> lol will IE6 work on kubuntu?
[08:34] <danne_> elite101: yes i have been made to work
[08:34] <elite101> lol
[08:34] <elite101> im not sure why u would want too?
[08:34] <elite101> lol just to have that IE icon?
 ?? so what do you think? what can be the problem?
[08:35] <karen> nosrednaekim: There's one called "Atheros WLan Driver v4.2.2.7"   Could that be it?  I don't see any more about Atheros.
[08:36] <japaya> stdin: I think the mount was succesful, but it didn't give any kind of confirmation
[08:36] <nosrednaekim> karen: thats the one!
[08:36] <nosrednaekim> karen: download it.
[08:36] <japaya> stdin:  It works! thank you so much!!!
[08:36] <karen> nosrednaekim: Good! Thanks.
[08:36] <stdin> japaya: quick tip, no output = no error :)
[08:37] <nosrednaekim> stdin: peopleare used to windows where everything gives tons of output.
[08:37] <japaya> stdin: hehe ok thanks :)
[08:37] <japaya> Lol especially when you use vista
[08:37] <stdin> nosrednaekim: that's because they are so paranoid it won't work then need the confirmation :p
[08:37] <japaya> then the input is even bigger then the output
[08:38] <stdin> japaya: that was a very specific command, to get it to do exactly what you wanted it to do. most commands will have less parameters to them. "df -h" is a good example
[08:38] <marc0s> hello
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> stdin: indeed...
[08:39] <marc0s> i'm trying to disable the autorun of the knetworkmanager applet at kde login, but i don't found the way to, can someone help me? thanks!
[08:40] <karen> nosrednaekim: I click "download" and it does nothing, but at the top of the page it says "Firefox has prevented this site from opening 1 popup window".
[08:40] <japaya> stdin: okay I understand, thanks
[08:40] <nosrednaekim> karen: click on the bar up there and allow that site to do pop ups.
[08:40] <stdin> marc0s: any reason?
[08:40] <japaya> stdin: I'm keeping a small textdocument with all the commands just to make sure I don't have to bother you guys again with the same questions :p
[08:41] <jhutchins> karen: Click the red x in the lower right and open the popup.
[08:41] <stdin> japaya: good luck, there a thousands of commands :p
[08:41] <japaya> stdin: I hope to be able to learn them out of my head :p
[08:42] <marc0s> stdin: just because when i have networkmanager up i can't use my connection, just when i close it
 : I can telnet to port 80 of a site, and get the HTML, any ideas?
[08:42] <marc0s> and i don't need networkmanager is a desktop computer, no mobility at all
[08:42] <karen> nosrednaekim, jhutchins:  I tried, but clicking on the bar/X  does nothing.
[08:42] <elite101> what is the command if say i wanna get this qtjackctl
[08:42] <stdin> japaya: it can get very advanced too, like "ps aux --no-headers | sort -rnk 3,3 | head -20" is one of my favourites :p
[08:42] <elite101> please
[08:43] <nosrednaekim> elite101: I'd think you knew that by now "sudo apt-get install atjackctl"
[08:43] <nosrednaekim> *qtjackctl
[08:43] <elite101> lol
[08:43] <stdin> elite101: I think you mean "qjackctl"
[08:44] <karen> Oh, wait.  I think I got it.  Sorry for being inept.
[08:44] <nosrednaekim> karen: whats you email address? i'll just email the file to you ;)
[08:44] <stdin> marc0s: well, you'd have to (re)move /usr/share/autostart/knetworkmanager-autostart.desktop
[08:44] <elite101> could not find package?
[08:44] <elite101> yes i have the things enabled
[08:44] <japaya> stdin: haha I know the ps aux command but all the rest is a bit to advanced for me :P
[08:44] <marc0s> ok, i just searched in ~/.kde/autostart, didn't know about /usr/share
[08:44] <marc0s> thanks stdin!
[08:44] <karen> nosrednaekim:  Thanks.  I'll try this one more time.
[08:45] <stdin> japaya: that just lists the top 20 cpu hogs :)
[08:45] <DrHalan> how can i search in the net for packages with adept?
[08:45] <zorglu_> !adept | DrHalan
[08:45] <ubotu> DrHalan: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:45] <posingaspopular> hey all, im having a problem with trying to open add/remove applications in edgy. basically everytime i enter my root password, i get a 'conversation with su' failed' error
[08:45] <japaya> my amarok keeps crashing... when I try to play an mp3 it says it doesn't support it, tries to download the codecs but then crashes
[08:45] <posingaspopular> what do i do?
[08:46] <zorglu_> japaya: try to remove the xine cache
[08:46] <stdin> japaya: hmm, manual install coming your way. you on feisty ?
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> japaya: run "sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs"
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> posingaspopular: enter your password, not root's
[08:46] <brian__> ok I found this
[08:46] <brian__>  When exe
[08:46] <brian__>        cuting commands, any output is mailed to the owner of the crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable in the crontab, if such
[08:46] <brian__>        exists).
[08:46] <stdin> nosrednaekim: that's a meta package in feisty+
[08:46] <japaya> hehe okay thx guys :p
[08:47] <japaya> err, now what should I do? :D
[08:47] <posingaspopular> nosrednaekim: it's all the same password. login, root, whatever
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> stdin: oh.....
[08:47] <stdin> !info libxine1-ffmped
[08:47] <elite101>  sudo apt-get install qtjackctl there is no packages found? why is this?
[08:47] <brian__> Where and how do I define  the MAILTO:?
[08:47] <ubotu> Package libxine1-ffmped does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:47] <stdin> opps
[08:47] <stdin> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[08:47] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB
[08:47] <stdin> nosrednaekim: ^ that's the mp3 package
[08:48] <karen> nosrednaekim: Okay, it says it's finished downloading.  Is there something else I need to do to get wireless internet to work?
[08:48] <brian__> there is nothing listed in the man page of crontab about MAILTO
[08:48] <elite101> yes i have the things enable
[08:48] <stdin> japaya: once you installed the package, just restart amarok
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[08:48] <japaya> stdin: okay thanks, now installing the package
[08:48] <nosrednaekim> karen: oh yeah... :)
[08:48] <elite101>  sudo apt-get install qtjackctl cant not find package? why is this?
[08:49] <stdin> elite101: I think you mean "qjackctl"
[08:49] <nosrednaekim> karen: you probably downloaded it to your desktop, correct?
[08:49] <elite101> that how i spelt it
[08:49] <g2g591> for some reason the volume buttons on my keyboard don't work
[08:49] <stdin> elite101: no 't'
[08:49] <japaya> stdin: is there also a way to take a ghost of my current ubuntu installation so when I try some fancy stuff later I don't have to redo all my work?
[08:49] <elite101> lol
[08:49] <elite101> duhh
[08:49] <japaya> (in case things go wrong) :D
[08:49] <ubuntu> lolo
[08:49] <nosrednaekim> !hotkeys
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hotkeys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <stdin> !backup | japaya
[08:50] <ubotu> japaya: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:50] <smettin> hello
[08:50] <g2g591> for some reason the volume buttons on my keyboard don't work
[08:51] <japaya> stdin: okay thanks, do you advise a method or are they all equal?
[08:51] <karen> nosrednaekim: Well... I don't see it on my desktop.
[08:51] <willem_> hello renico
[08:51] <renico> willem try sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:51] <stdin> japaya: depends on you're exact requirements, take a look at them all. time to do some research I'm afraid :p
[08:52] <renico> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:52] <willem_> E: Couldn't find package mozilla-firefox
[08:52] <nosrednaekim> karen: where did you download it to?
[08:53] <renico> willem try sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:53] <g2g591> for some reason the volume buttons on my keyboard don't work
[08:53] <genii> stdin: I'm partial to rsync backups.
[08:53] <stdin> willem_: check your sources, in adept: File > Manage Repositories
[08:53] <japaya> stdin: ok thanks :)
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> g2g591: they don't always work :)
[08:53] <g2g591> they worked in gnome
[08:53] <stdin> renico: don't tell new uses to use vim!
[08:53] <renico> willem: type i to edit file
[08:54] <karen> nosrednaekim:  Ark, I think.
[08:54] <stdin> renico: there is a perfectly good GUI
[08:54] <renico> willem try kate
[08:54] <stdin> renico: in adept...
[08:54] <japaya> stdin: I've also got some troubles with my flash movies etc in Mozilla, although I've installed the special plugin for mozilla using adept
[08:54] <nosrednaekim> g2g591: oh... well i've found that if you install kubuntu second, they don't work ...
[08:54] <willem_> renico dude, next?
[08:54] <nosrednaekim> karen: see if there is a folder in your home directory called downloads. of it the file itself is in there.
[08:55] <willem_> renico dude, where the file i should check?
[08:55] <stdin> japaya: the one called "flashplugin-nonfree" ?
[08:55] <g2g591> I guess I'll have to wait til my kubuntu cds come in the mail
[08:55] <japaya> stdin: I'm going to look it up
[08:55] <renico> uncomment the ***restricted universe multiverse
[08:55] <renico>  near the bottom of file
[08:55] <nosrednaekim> karen: you told it to open with ark?
[08:55] <stdin> japaya: that's the one that "just works"
 : Where are you from, the cd takes a while, if you are in RSA
[08:55] <karen> nosrednaekim:  Yeah. It says it's on the desktop, I just don't see it there.
 where is the file i should edit>:
[08:56] <nosrednaekim> karen: what says its on desktop?
[08:56] <g2g591> us...
[08:56] <renico> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:56] <stdin> karen: try looking in your home directory
[08:56] <nosrednaekim> renico: its kdesu...
[08:56] <stdin> nosrednaekim: I'm thinking firefox's download window..
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> stdin: yeah... but she said something about opening with Ark *holds his head*
[08:57] <renico> guys, where is the adept shortcut located in the kubuntu menu?
[08:57] <karen> Well, the folder that it's in says:  file:///tmp/AS5050_WLAN_Atheros.zip-Ark     And then underneath that it is On Desktop-1
[08:57] <stdin> renico: system > adept manager
[08:57] <nosrednaekim> karen: you still at that download page? if you are select for it to download again, but tell it to save file as instead of opening with ark.
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> karen: is there a window open called ark?
 : Thanks, Renico, dis oop, moet ek daar check?
[08:58] <willem_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
[08:58] <willem_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted
[08:58] <willem_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe
[08:58] <willem_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security universe
[08:58] <willem_> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security multiverse
[08:58] <willem_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security multiver
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[08:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:58] <renico> willem save file then sudo apt-get update
[08:58] <willem_> sorry <ubotu>
[08:58] <japaya> stdin: I'm now using gnash, libgnash0, libswfdec0.3, mozilla-plugin-gnash and swf-player
[08:59] <karen> nosrednaekim: There's that one I told you about, and there's one with the same file name that has 13 files listed.
[08:59] <japaya> stdin: maybe those programs conflict?
 there are no hashes at the options at the end
[08:59] <stdin> japaya: yeah, gnash is an open source version, but doen't work with a lot of flash sites
[08:59] <nosrednaekim> karen: and is this one that has the 13 files labeled "ark"?
[08:59] <renico> guys please assist willem to open repos using adept-manager
[09:00] <japaya> stdin: so i should delete gnash?
 dis oop
[09:00] <Assid> 602 assid     15   0  217m  89m  30m S    0  5.9   1:31.00 firefox-bin
[09:00] <Assid> 217MB VM !?!?!?
[09:00] <stdin> japaya: remove all of those and install the one called "flashplugun-nonfree"
[09:00] <japaya> stdin: okay thanks :)
[09:00] <stdin> Assid: firefox is known for it's memory leeks
[09:01] <Assid> :(
[09:01] <stdin> Assid: mine's been open for hours, it's using  231m
[09:02] <karen> nosrednaekim:  The folder is under the file name I gave earlier, but the individual files have names like "ar5211.sys" and "data1.cab".
[09:02] <Assid> stdin: sucks man.. they should fix it
[09:02] <stdin> Assid: I just close/reopen it every now and then
[09:03] <japaya> stdin: I can't find a plugin named flashplugun/plugin-nonfree :s
[09:03] <nosredna> karen: sorry.did you say something? this is nosrednaekim...
[09:03] <stdin> japaya: are you on 32bit kubuntu or amd64?
[09:04] <karen> nosredna:  That's okay.  The last thing I said was:  The folder is under the file name I gave earlier, but the individual files have names like "ar5211.sys" and "data1.cab"
[09:04] <stdin> japaya: use "dpkg --print-installation-architecture" to find out
[09:04] <willem_> thanks guys
[09:04] <halppp> halp pluz!! I has a prublm!!
[09:04] <halppp> :'-(
[09:05] <nosredna> karen: ok,thats fine, save that foler as "/home/drivers" or something like that/
[09:05] <japaya> stdin: amd64
[09:05] <stdin> japaya: makes life a bit more difficult :p
[09:05] <stdin> japaya: you'll need to follow this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[09:05] <japaya> stdin: ohnoes, and it's already so hard :p
[09:06] <halppp> how do I add another user and its password? The GUI way isn't working
[09:06] <halppp> is this guide aight??
[09:06] <karen> nosredna: Okay, an error box came up that said, "You do not have permission to write to the directory............."
[09:06] <halppp> http://sayspy.blogspot.com/2006/08/ignorant-newbie-adding-new-user-under.html
[09:07] <japaya> stdin: err, do I have to run FF with wine to view Flash sh*t??? :s
[09:07] <nosredna> karen: sorry, I messed up, save it to "/home/<your username>/drivers"
[09:07] <halppp> pleaswe help
[09:07] <halppp> I need to add a user
[09:07] <karen> nosredna: That's okay.  I know this takes a lot of patience on your part.
[09:07] <nosredna> halppp: its easy, go to system settings->users
[09:08] <nosredna> karen: :)
[09:08] <stdin> japaya: no, just install the 32bit packages, the guide tells you how
[09:08] <halppp> nosredna: that way didn't help
[09:08] <japaya> stdin: ok thx
[09:08] <nosredna> does anyone here know how to set up ndiswrapper?
[09:08] <stdin> nosredna: when it comes to the ndiswrapper commands, there is a gui that makes it easier, called ndisgtk
[09:08] <willem_> bye thanks guys, nice evening for all
[09:09] <nosredna> stdin: could you PLEASE guide karen? I very unfortunately have to go!
[09:09] <stdin> nosredna: I can try I guess...
[09:09] <halppp> nosredna: ->User Management?
[09:09] <karen> nosredna:  Thank you very much!  You were a good guide.  Bye.
[09:10] <stdin> karen: how far you got?
[09:10] <nosredna> she has the files unzipped in her home directory under drivers/
[09:10] <nosredna> i'll be back in about 15-20 minutes actually
[09:10] <nosredna> halppp: yep
[09:11] <karen> nosredna: Cool!  I will have more questions, probably. Muahaha.
[09:11] <stdin> karen: ok, what files are in your drivers/ directory?
[09:15] <karen> stdin:  ar5211.sys   data1.cab   data1.hdr   data2.cab     ikernal.ex_   layout.bin   net5211.cat   net5221.inf   Notes.txt  Setup.exe  setup.inx   setup.iss
[09:16] <Assid> haha
[09:16] <Assid> mac is finally gonna have desktops!
[09:17] <Assid> multiple desktops
[09:17] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/p/IQkVx880.html
[09:17] <Assid> only on mac leopard
[09:17] <Assid> hehe
[09:17] <jc-denton> why is this
[09:17] <czer323> Assid> mac has had multidesktops with third party programs for a long time.
[09:17] <stdin> karen: where did you download that from?
[09:17] <jc-denton> i want to try out kde4 now
[09:17] <Assid> czer323: 3rd party
[09:17] <Assid> exactly my point
[09:18] <stdin> jc-denton: what version ok kubuntu do you have?
[09:18] <karen> stdin: http://www.acerpanam.com/flex/acerdrivers/bin/drivers.html?CFID=3221373&CFTOKEN=57623150
[09:19] <czer323> Assid: and it works extremely well.  I don't see your point unless you're pullling some elitist crap saying, "OH GOD THEY'RE COPYING US"
[09:19] <jc-denton> stdin: the newest stable
[09:19] <Assid> nah
[09:19] <jc-denton> fisting fox or so it was called
[09:19] <jc-denton> :P
[09:19] <Assid> im just saying it took them a while to finally integrade it
[09:19] <Assid> integrate even
[09:20] <czer323> Sure.  On teh flip side, windows has had a powertoy addon for multidesktops since xp.
[09:21] <stdin> jc-denton: and you have the feisty-backports repository enabled ?
[09:21] <stdin> karen: do you see the net5211.inf file ?
[09:21] <aaron_> Hi. Where do you change the settings for the k menu spacing?
[09:22] <karen> stdin: Yes..
[09:22] <stdin> karen: good, now you need to remove that atheros driver
[09:22] <karen> stdin:  Oh.  Will I have to reinstall it?
[09:22] <stdin> karen: no
[09:23] <stdin> karen: can you post "lsmod | grep ath" to pastebin again
[09:24] <karen> stdin: Sure, hold on.  Do I need to do this after I remove the atheros driver?
[09:24] <jc-denton> stdin: i added the line as described in the wiki
[09:24] <jc-denton> why is it supposed to work
[09:24] <stdin> karen: no, just as it is now
[09:24] <jc-denton> or is it known that there is something broken
[09:25] <stdin> jc-denton: it's supposed to work
[09:25] <jc-denton> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[09:25] <jc-denton> i just added this line
[09:25] <stdin> jc-denton: did you run "sudo apt-get update" after ?
[09:25] <jc-denton> sure
[09:25] <deminemi> can anyone help me with a simple bash script ?
[09:25] <deminemi> i just want it to su, password, and load a kernel module
[09:26] <stdin> jc-denton: try "sudo aptitude install kde4base-dev"
[09:26] <jc-denton> ah
[09:26] <jc-denton> that seems to work
[09:26] <jc-denton> humm
[09:26] <stdin> odd, apt-get should too
[09:26] <jc-denton> when do you decide to drop apt-get and replace it with aptitude
[09:27] <stdin> when apt fails, aptitude :)
[09:27] <velle> If I buy a usb headset that is plugnplay in Windows, will it also plugnplay in Kubuntu?
[09:27] <stdin> deminemi: try #bash
[09:27] <markinux> anyone know how to install wireless on Asus A6Km... i've been trying for over a week ;(
[09:27] <stdin> !wifi
[09:27] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:27] <deminemi> #bash
[09:28] <deminemi> ah, right
[09:28] <markinux> i've tried every piece of wireless documentation and its doing my head in
[09:28] <zorglu_> deminemi: a script loading a kernel module must have the root permission
[09:28] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33596/
[09:28] <markinux> it is installed it detects networks.. it attempts connections and then crashes
[09:29] <zorglu_> deminemi: aka either you launch the script itself via sudo, or you put the script as +setuid but this is considered dangerous
[09:29] <japaya> stdin: I've got my flash etc working! thank you very much! :)
[09:29] <jc-denton> so i'm curious about kde4
[09:29] <deminemi> there is no way to execute via clicking and have it log itself in ?
[09:30] <deminemi> like have it load then "su" "*password*" ?
[09:30] <stdin> karen: on run this: "sudo modprobe -r ath_pci wlan ath_hal"
[09:30] <stdin> japaya: :)
[09:30] <jc-denton> is there a plan to implement spellchecking in klauncher?
[09:30] <jc-denton> which can correct errors with a distance of 1 or 2?
[09:30] <Flygis> How do i get in to my external harddrive, I have connected it and got a popup to open it in a new window, but it didnt work.. anyway how do I get in to it?
[09:31] <markinux> i had wireless in dapper but it won't work on edgy or feisty
[09:31] <stdin> jc-denton: best place to ask that is in #kubuntu-devel or #kde4
[09:31] <stdin> karen: done that?
[09:31] <jc-denton> ah ic
[09:32] <jc-denton> there are many people on kde4
[09:32] <stdin> jc-denton: and they know more about it than I :)
[09:32] <karen> stdin: Yes, it didn't show anything. :S
[09:33] <stdin> karen: that's a good thing :)
[09:33] <karen> stdin: Oh. Yay! What do I do now?
[09:33] <stdin> karen: check that "lsmod | grep ath" now shows nothing
[09:34] <karen> stdin: Yeah, nothing.
[09:35] <stdin> karen: ok, now do this: echo blacklist ath_pci | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[09:36] <BboyMC> Siemka ;D
[09:36] <BboyMC> co tam jak tam ? :D
[09:36] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/p/Md0BG530.html
[09:36] <jc-denton> hrmmm
[09:36] <stdin> karen: then you need to install the package called "ndisgtk", "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk"
[09:37] <stdin> jc-denton: doens't help if you don't post the whole output
[09:38] <lovaspillando> well, I will leave to studies, see you all
[09:38] <karen> stdin: I tried the first one, and it said "permission denied"
[09:38] <nosrednaekim> stdin: karen back!
[09:38] <AloBlumenau> HI I added an user from System Settings and now I want to made it browseable at windows, but I cant do it using SHARING from System Settings
[09:39] <stdin> karen: "echo blacklist ath_pci | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" said that ?
[09:39] <AloBlumenau> I added the Shared Folders, the user who have access but nothing happened
[09:39] <karen> nosrednaekim: Welcome back!
[09:39] <karen> stdin: Yes.. I'll check again to make sure I got it.
[09:40] <karen> stdin: Yes. Yes, it did.
[09:40] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/p/nLC8Gn61.html
[09:41] <stdin> karen: did it ask you for a password?
[09:41] <karen> stdin: No. :S
[09:41] <nosrednaekim> karen: just run " kdesu kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" and add the line "blacklist ath_pci" at the end of the file
[09:42] <stdin> jc-denton: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base-data_3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty1_all.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/kde4base_3.92.0-0ubuntu1~feisty1_i386.deb ; sudo dpkg --configure -a "
[09:42] <booya> stdin: any ideeas why i cannot upload files on sendspace.com ? :)
[09:43] <booya> tells me that i have a firewall or something like that
[09:43] <jc-denton>  --force-overwrite sounds good
[09:43] <stdin> booya: are you behind a router ?
[09:43] <booya> for sure no
[09:43] <karen> nosrednaekim:  What do you mean by ""add the line at the end of the file"?  Do I hit enter, then add it?
[09:43] <jc-denton> stdin: will kde3 still work then?
[09:43] <nosrednaekim> karen: yes.
[09:44] <stdin> jc-denton: yeah, kde3 and kde4 are kept separate
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> karen: put it on a new line
[09:44] <jc-denton> but not if it overwrite stuff
[09:44] <karen> nosrednaekim: Okay, thanks.
[09:44] <stdin> booya: no clue then, try another site?
[09:44] <booya> i will :)
[09:44] <stdin> karen: then you need to install the package called "ndisgtk", "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk"
[09:45] <stdin> karen: (after you save that file)
[09:45] <karen> stdin, nosrednaekim:  Wow, it didn't let me add the next line.. A file box popped up, and stuff.
[09:46] <stdin> hmm
[09:46] <stdin> what does it say in the box?
[09:46] <karen> It's a lot.  Just a second.
[09:48] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33597/
[09:49] <Rictoo> What's a good 2 player game to play on linux?
[09:50] <stdin> karen: what happens when you try to add a new line?
[09:50] <stdin> !games
[09:50] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[09:50] <stdin> Rictoo: ^
[09:51] <jussi01> Rictoo: what sort of game are you after?
[09:51] <brian__> ok I am back
[09:51] <jussi01> there are a lot of good ones
[09:51] <Rictoo> Something me (15), and my brother (19) would enjoy :P
[09:51] <karen> stdin: Nothing happens, but I can't.  I'll show you what it says now.
[09:51] <jussi01> Rictoo: do you enjoy first person shooters?
[09:51] <jussi01> I can recomend tremulous very highly
[09:51] <jussi01> or you can go and find a copy of heroes of might and magic 3
[09:52] <Rictoo> my video card is screwed up :\ (physically, not the drivers; long story)
[09:52] <Rictoo> Maybe some sort of anime style fighting game? XD
[09:52] <andremarte> ciao a tutti
[09:52] <jussi01> Rictoo: warsow!!
[09:52] <Rictoo> (his style)
[09:52] <Rictoo> warsow?
[09:52] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33598/
[09:52] <jussi01> !info warsow
[09:52] <ubotu> Package warsow does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:52] <stdin> !it | andremarte
[09:52] <ubotu> andremarte: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:52] <jussi01> !info warsow gutsy
[09:53] <ubotu> warsow: A comic-style fast-paced 3D ego-shooter. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.31.dfsg-6 (gutsy), package size 828 kB, installed size 2304 kB
[09:53] <jussi01> Rictoo: http://warsow.net/
[09:53] <Rictoo> does it require a semi good video card...?
[09:53] <amelia> I get this error : Errors were encountered while processing: bcm43xx-fwcutter
[09:53] <Rictoo> 145158 <    Rictoo> my video card is screwed up :\ (physically, not the drivers; long story)
[09:53] <brian__> here is my situation: I am trying to run a script via cron using crontab to set it up. Part of the script needs sudo in order to run. I was told that if I was running it through crontab that the script would run because crontab uses root privilages. The script runs up until the point that sudo is needed. In syslog, it shows that the script ran and that it sent an email with response 0X0001. How can I know what is going on here?
[09:53] <amelia> that error occurs when I install with apt and pals
[09:53] <jussi01> Rictoo: maybe...
[09:54] <stdin> karen: in kate, you put a new line and put in "blacklist ath_pci", not in the konsole
[09:54] <jussi01> Rictoo: there are some good emulators for nintendo out there...
[09:54] <jussi01> !info zsnes
[09:54] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[09:54] <Rictoo> any good 2 player games for snes? XD
[09:55] <jussi01> Rictoo: that you will have to find yourself
[09:55] <jussi01> !info mame
[09:55] <ubotu> Package mame does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:55] <stdin> !find mame
[09:55] <ubotu> Found: kxmame, xmame-common, xmame-gl, xmame-sdl, xmame-svga (and 2 others)
[09:55] <karen> stdin: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean.  I'll try it again.
[09:56] <xero> alright i need some linux networking help. every time i need to use the internet i have to reconfigure my ip and gateway through knetworkconfig. It ssms that no mater what i do the darn hing wont hold its settings.
[09:56] <Rictoo> Wormux looks cool...
[09:56] <jthomas> brian__: if you run it in the 'sudo crontab -e' cron, then the script will already be running as root and the sudo should be taken out.
[09:56] <karen> stdin: Wait, I think I get it.
[09:57] <brian__> so if I edit crontab as root ( sudo) then it will run as root when sceduled?
[09:57] <brian__> *scheduled
[09:57] <jthomas> yes it'll be root.
[09:57] <karen> stdin:  Okay, I tried typing the line in Kate.  It didn't do anything...
[09:57] <jthomas> which may be bad, be careful what your script is running/doing!
[09:57] <stdin> karen: good :) now save that and close kate
[09:57] <brian__> ok here I go again...thanx!
[09:58] <jthomas> let us know!
[09:58] <karen> stdin: Oh. Okay!
[09:58] <karen> stdin: Do I need to save it as anything in particular, or just "save"?
[09:58] <stdin> karen: no, just save
[09:58] <karen> stdin: Okay, done.
[09:59] <xero> anyone got any idea how to fix my problem? no rush...
[09:59] <stdin> karen: then back in konsole, run "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk"
[10:02] <Eyeless> !info java
[10:02] <ubotu> Package java does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:02] <stdin> !java
[10:02] <Eyeless> !about java
[10:02] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about about java - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <dougl> !info linuxmce
[10:02] <ubotu> Package linuxmce does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:03] <stdin> karen: done that yet?
[10:03] <dougl> !info linux
[10:03] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33600/
[10:03] <ubotu> linux: Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.20.16.28.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[10:03] <karen> Yeah. That's what it said.
[10:04] <stdin> karen: ok, can you post what the output of "sudo apt-get -f install" is (to pastebin)
[10:04] <karen> Sure, just a second.
[10:05] <jc-denton> humm
[10:05] <jc-denton> i did as  written on the kubuntu page
[10:05] <jc-denton>     * export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[10:05] <jc-denton>     * export KDEDIRS=/usr/lib/kde4
[10:05] <jc-denton>     * export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[10:05] <jc-denton>     * export KDEHOME=~/.kde4
[10:05] <jc-denton> woops sry
[10:05] <jc-denton> klauncher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv
[10:05] <jc-denton> now i get this
[10:06] <stdin> jc-denton: report that to #kubuntu-devel
[10:07] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33603/
[10:07] <karen> stdin: Y?
[10:07] <stdin> yes
[10:07] <Karti> Hi all
[10:08] <lesik> 
[10:08] <lesik> 
[10:08] <lesik> 
[10:09] <stdin> lesik: ?
[10:09] <lesik>    )))
[10:09] <stdin> !ru | lesik
[10:09] <ubotu> lesik:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[10:09] <lesik> !! !!!
[10:10] <yamal> lol
[10:10] <karen> stdin: Ah, a lince agreement. Nothing for me to click on, though.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33604/
[10:10] <jc-denton> russian characters look cool
[10:10] <karen> *license
[10:11] <jc-denton> however i have no idea what they mean
[10:11] <stdin> karen: use the tab key to select "OK" then press enter
[10:11] <anthronaut> "!!!" he said "thank you", that's all I know :-)
[10:12] <yamal> he was writing in russian on purpose to someone would use the bot to tell him the russian channel ;)
[10:12] <anthronaut> lol
[10:13] <yamal> that's what the text says
[10:13] <brian__> ok I tried that, but in syslog it still shows me as running the script
[10:14] <brian__> and it is not executing the command cat $1 > /dev/lp0
[10:15] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33605/
[10:16] <stdin> karen: that's fine
[10:16] <karen> stdin: Okay.  Do I still need to remove the Atheros files?
[10:17] <stdin> karen: you don't need to, that line you put in the blacklist file stopped it from loading
[10:17] <ubuntu> wow
[10:17] <karen> stdin: Ah, okay.  Do I need to do anything else now?
[10:17] <DevilsX> lmao
[10:17] <stdin> karen: just make sure ndisgtk is installed with "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk"
[10:17] <djdarkman_> hy, someone knows how to foward ports with firestarter?
[10:17] <brian__> when I set up cron as root (sudo su, then gnome-schedule) and schedule it there, absolutely nothing happens
[10:18] <karen> stdin: Okay.
[10:18] <karen> stdin: Didn't I just install that?
[10:18] <stdin> karen: probably, but just making sure
[10:19] <karen> stdin: Okay. Where should it be? (Sorry.)
[10:19] <AloBlumenau> HI I added an user from System Settings and now I want to made it browseable at windows, but I cant do it using SHARING from System Settings
[10:19] <AloBlumenau> I added the Shared Folders, the user who have access but nothing happened
[10:20] <stdin> karen: just press Alt-F2 and type in: kdesu ndisgtk
[10:21] <Dreamore> Can anyone help me about Kopete? I couldn't find where can I set options about tabs.
[10:22] <Dreamore> I don't want to use tab options.
[10:22] <karen> stdin: Ah! It says "command not found"
[10:23] <jhutchins> 200.135.220.104
[10:23] <czer323> dang dude, I really like using Calibri on windows, but when I tried to use it on Kubuntu, the spacing is all screwy :(  RIP Calibri
[10:23] <jhutchins> !br | AloBlumenau
[10:23] <ubotu> AloBlumenau: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[10:23] <Dreamore> Noone will help me?
[10:23] <CyD> Dreamore, Settings > Configure.. > Behavior, Chat Tab,
[10:23] <CyD> have patience :)
[10:23] <CyD> Chat Window Grouping Policy, Dreamore
[10:23] <stdin> karen: try "sudo apt-get install ndisgtk" again
[10:24] <karen> stdin: Okay.
[10:24] <CyD> "Open All Messages In New Window"
[10:24] <Flygis> I have a problem... I can't get in to my USB hard drive, I get the message: "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options-refuesd uid 1000" need help :P
[10:24] <winbond> what is the partition/format utility in kubuntu? and does it work with usb?
[10:24] <stdin> !format
[10:24] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:25] <trekdanne> winbond: gparted is generally thought to be more mature than qtparted
[10:25] <Dreamore> CyD: I am at there. What must I choose?
[10:25] <CyD> Dreamore, "Open All Messages In New Window"
[10:25] <winbond> trekdanne: is this konsole utility or gui?
[10:25] <Dreamore> Thank's.
[10:25] <CyD> from the 'Chat Window Grouping Policy' dropdown
[10:25] <CyD> Dreamore, welcome :)
[10:26] <trekdanne> winbond: gui
[10:26] <Dreamore> CyD: I am new on Kubuntu
[10:26] <CyD> Dreamore, hope you enjoy it
[10:26] <winbond> trekdanne: ok , thanks
[10:26] <Dreamore> I was using a local distro, so new system is different for me.
[10:26] <trekdanne> winbond: both rely on parted
[10:26] <Dreamore> CyD: Thank's again :)
[10:26] <winbond> trekdanne: do i need to install it or does it come installed with kubuntu?
[10:27] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33607/
[10:27] <trekdanne> winbond: neither gparted nor qtparted come installed with kubuntu,
[10:27] <winbond> trekdanne: kk
[10:28] <trekdanne> winbond: you can easily install it through adept tho
[10:28] <stdin> karen: ok, good, now press Alt-F2 again and put in: ndisgtk
[10:28] <stdin> karen: opps. that's : kdesu ndisgtk
[10:28] <winbond> trekdanne: got it, can it format in fat32
[10:28] <trekdanne> winbond: yes :)
[10:30] <germanjew> can any1 plz tell me whether i can use cos and sin in C if i included <math.h>?
[10:30] <winbond> trekdanne: great, thank you ,
[10:30] <trekdanne> germanjew: yes you can
[10:30] <germanjew> thanks allot
[10:30] <trekdanne> germanjew: however you need to pass radians ofc
[10:30] <stdin> germanjew: you should, there is a channel for C: ##C
[10:31] <karen> stdin: A box titled "Wireless Network Drivers" popped up.  it says, "Currently Installed Windows Drivers:" but there's nothing there.
[10:31] <stdin> karen: good so far
[10:31] <karen> Oh, good.
[10:31] <karen> What do I do now?
[10:31] <germanjew> should there be a problem with : x1 = x0 + (x - x0)*cos(rad) - (y - y0)*sin(rad);?
[10:31] <germanjew> what server is the ##C ch on?
[10:31] <stdin> germanjew: this one
[10:32] <stdin> karen: click "Install new driver"
[10:32] <karen> Okay.
[10:32] <germanjew> ty
[10:32] <stdin> karen: then click the "(none)",
[10:33] <ryaren> hi
[10:33] <trekdanne> hello
[10:33] <stdin> karen: they you find the net5211.inf file and select it
[10:33] <Goliath23_> hi.
[10:33] <Goliath23_> isn't it possible for grub to boot a windows installation on /dev/hda5 ?
[10:34] <ryaren> Can u help me pls a littlebit? When I started my computer yesterday the mounting process didn't work.. I mean it didn't mount the ntfs filesystems, however I can't edit the fstab! :(
[10:34] <stdin> Goliath23_: yes, grub can boot it from anywhere
[10:35] <jhutchins> stdin: Sometimes windows can be picky about where it boots from.
[10:36] <stdin> jhutchins: didn't way windows would boot, just that grub would boot it :p
[10:36] <Goliath23_> stdin: I always get error 12
[10:36] <karen> stdin: I can't find it.  Right now I'm in a box that says "select INF file" and my two options are "Desktop" and "drivers.zip"...
[10:36] <trekdanne> ryaren: have you tried mounting it manually with something like: "su mount /dev/your_drive" in a console
[10:36] <stdin> !grub | goliath23
[10:36] <ubotu> goliath23: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:37] <ryaren> trekdanne: Of course but nothin happened
[10:37] <stdin> karen: where did you extract the zip ?
[10:37] <Goliath23_> stdin: 12 : Invalid device requested. <- I use root            (hd0,5)
[10:38] <karen> stdin:  Sorry, I don't know what you mean.
[10:38] <Goliath23_> stdin: because windows was installed after ubuntu on the fifth partition (formatted with ntfs)
[10:38] <karen> stdin: It was just there...
[10:38] <stdin> Goliath23_: (hd0,5) is hda6
[10:39] <stdin> Goliath23_:  5th partition??
[10:39] <karen> stdin:  Should I close it out and run the command again?
[10:39] <stdin> Goliath23_: you mean you have an extended one too?
[10:39] <ElFrax> got a quick prob. stupid questen, but how do I activate backports in /etc/apt/sources.list ? .
[10:39] <stdin> !backports
[10:39] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[10:39] <Goliath23_> stdin: hda1 = linux root; hda2 = swap; hda3 = fat23 (transfer); hda4 = extended (made by windows installer) ; hda5 = windows / ntfs
[10:40] <Goliath23_> stdin: yes, windows created it :/
[10:40] <ElFrax> ty
[10:40] <stdin> Goliath23_: well you need to change root (hd0,5) to root (hd0,4)
[10:41] <stdin> karen: close the file open window and make sure it's extracted
[10:41] <Goliath23_> stdin: trying right now
[10:41] <elite101> hey is there a guitar tuner program? i have a tuner but it only tunes in E and not Drop C/D
[10:41] <Goliath23_> stdin: I'm giving support here for my brother via phone and ssh. so it's not that easy :)
[10:41] <karen> stdin: How do I make sure it's extracted?
[10:42] <karen> stdin: I closed the file open window.
[10:42] <stdin> karen: look in konqueror
[10:42] <Goliath23_> stdin: it still gives error 12, even with "rootnoverify    hd(0,4)"
[10:42] <brian__> anybody have good experience with cron and crontab?
[10:42] <Goliath23_> stdin: sure that grub is able to boot an extended partition formatted with ntfs?
[10:43] <Goliath23_> stdin: maybe I need an extra grub-paket to make it work with ntfs?
[10:43] <stdin> Goliath23_: he has added "chainload +1" ?
[10:43] <frojnd> what's the command to shut down or restart the system?
[10:43] <Goliath23_> stdin: yes
[10:43] <karen> stdin: Sorry, how do I do that?
[10:43] <stdin> frojnd: "shutdown -r now" (to reboot now)
[10:44] <frojnd> ok
[10:44] <frojnd> tnx
[10:44] <elite101> hey is there a guitar tuner program? i have a tuner but it only tunes in E and not Drop C/D
[10:44] <sayers> why doesnt sound work on this laptop???
[10:44] <sayers> It was working earlier.
[10:45] <stdin> Goliath23_: not sure then, I haven't had to dual boot with windows in years (but it being ntfs won't matter)
[10:45] <ElFrax> anyone have experience huge fonts when using intel gfx card?
[10:45] <stdin> karen: you see the "computer" icon in the bottom left of the screen?
[10:45] <Goliath23_> stdin: http://rafb.net/p/FUlDd180.html
[10:45] <karen> stdin: Yep!
[10:46] <stdin> karen: click that, then click "Home Folder"
[10:46] <elite101> hey
[10:46] <karen> stdin: Okay, "Desktop" and "drivers.zip" are there.
[10:46] <grendal_prime> anything on the werid font situation..everything in this guys browse dialog boxes looks like boxes and ?'s like there is asystem font that did not get installed
[10:46] <stdin> Goliath23_: see the extra "root" there, on the 2nd line?
[10:46] <elite101> hello?
[10:46] <grendal_prime> sorry i dont think anyone reponded to that earlyer.
[10:46] <Goliath23_> stdin: yes
[10:47] <Goliath23_> stdin: supposed to be a delimiter or so
[10:47] <Goliath23_> stdin: works fine on my pc
[10:47] <Goliath23_> but maybe...
[10:47] <elite101> :S
[10:47] <Goliath23_> stdin: http://rafb.net/p/R6aWua60.html <- this is the partition table
[10:48] <Goliath23_> stdin: is the bootable flag missing?
[10:48] <stdin> karen: right click the "drivers.zip" and go to Extract > Extract here
[10:48] <elite101> hey
[10:48] <stdin> elite101: yes, we see you
[10:48] <elite101> k
[10:48] <elite101> lol
[10:48] <elite101> no channels were responding?
[10:48] <elite101> even windows channel
[10:49] <stdin> Goliath23_: not sure then..
[10:49] <karen> stdin: Okay, the files are there... What should I do now?
[10:49] <sayers> why isnt my sound working anymore? Does anyone know how to fix this problem?
[10:49] <CyD> elite101, search google for 'linux guitar tuner' or search adept/synaptic etc for 'guitar' or such, there's a few
[10:49] <stdin> karen: go back to the ndisgtk app and select the net5211.inf file
[10:50] <elite101> k
[10:50] <elite101> thanx
[10:50] <CyD> elite101, or,
[10:50] <CyD> elite101, tune your low E to your 3rd string, a D :)
[10:50] <elite101> i asked first because u guys might no any that u used so
[10:50] <elite101> no
[10:50] <elite101> FADCGC
[10:50] <elite101> lol that doesnt work? im not van hellen u know
[10:51] <elite101> its a drop C
[10:51] <CyD> it's still doable :) i tune to CGCFAC
[10:51] <elite101> yeah but i do a cover
[10:51] <elite101> so
[10:51] <CyD> with fun use of the fretboard
[10:51] <stdin> elite101,CyD : > offtopic
[10:51] <CyD> i gotcha :)
[10:51] <elite101> i need it to be rite on the money
[10:51] <elite101> k sorry
[10:51] <CyD> sry
[10:51] <karen> stdin: I found the file.. After I click on it, do I click "install"?
[10:51] <stdin> karen: yes
[10:51] <karen> stdin: Okay.
[10:52] <elite101> CyD, come to the off-topic channel for a sec
[10:52] <karen> stdin: It says "Hardware present: No"..
[10:52] <stdin> hmm
[10:53] <karen> stdin: That doesn't sound good.
[10:54] <stdin> karen: ok, delete that drivers folder and the drivers.zip file
[10:54] <stdin> karen: then download ftp://ftp.work.acer-euro.com/notebook/aspire_5100/driver/802ABG_Atheros_v5_1_1_9.zip and extract that
[10:54] <karen> stdin: Okay.
[10:55] <brian__>  I have a script, when I run via CLI it runs fine. I do need to use sudo in order to run this script as it accesses /dev/lp0. When I try to run the script with cron, it does not complete ( some of the script does complete), but I do not know why it does not complete. I have looked at syslog, but it just states that it ran. I have the output gong to and error file, but it is empty. Any ideas?
[10:57] <brian__> when I setup root's crontab to run it nothing happens
[10:57] <karen> stdin: Okay,now what do I do?
[10:58] <stdin> karen: same as before, select the net5211.inf file from the extracted files
[10:59] <elite101> is it sudo apt get-install and then the name of the program?
[11:00] <stdin> elite101: sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:00] <elite101> k
[11:00] <karen> stdin: Oookay, it says "driver "driver" already installed"...
[11:01] <stdin> karen: ahh, do you see the image in the main window?
[11:01] <karen> stdin: Image of what in which window? (Sorry, again.)
[11:02] <stdin> karen: the one in the ndisgtk window, that has "Hardware present: no"
[11:03] <karen> stdin: There's an image of a monitor and a wrench...
[11:03] <stdin> yep
[11:03] <stdin> karen: click that, then click "Remove Driver"
[11:03] <karen> Oh, okay.
[11:04] <stdin> press Yes when asked
[11:05] <karen> stdin: I did that, but it's still there.
[11:05] <stdin> hmm, try it again?
[11:05] <karen> Did that, too, but I'll try again.
[11:05] <karen> stdin: Still not working. :|
[11:06] <stdin> karen: ok, close the window
[11:06] <karen> stdin: Okay, then what?
[11:07] <stdin> karen: in konsole run "sudo ndiswrapper-1.9 -l"
[11:07] <stdin> post what it says
[11:12] <stdin> karen: ?
[11:14] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33612/
[11:14] <karen> Sorry about that.
[11:15] <stdin> karen: now do "sudo ndiswrapper-1.9 -d net5211"
[11:15] <karen> Okay
[11:16] <stdin> karen: after that open "kdesu ndisgtk" again
[11:17] <faemir> can someone tell me the equivalent of synaptic in kde?
[11:17] <stdin> adept
[11:17] <faemir> that's it!
[11:17] <Halifax> Hello all! I was wondering if someone could help me with this: When I go to play a video (any player, any type), it just displays a blue screen. If I open another video in another player (any player, any type), that video plays fine.
[11:17] <faemir> thanks, i haven't used kde in like 6 years
[11:18] <stdin> faemir: well adept is quite new
[11:18] <faemir> hmm, i must of used something else back then :|
[11:18] <stdin> faemir: probably kpackage or something
[11:18] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33613/
[11:19] <stdin> karen: ahh try "sudo ndiswrapper-1.9 -r net5211"
[11:23] <karen> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33615/
[11:25] <grendal_prime> ok a simpler question, if i want to updat a machine from dapper to fiesty i will need to do the update to edgy first correct? and next question is it possible to just edit my sources.list file like with debian core dist and run a dist upgrade?
[11:25] <stdin> karen: post it to http://pastebin.com/ it's taking too long to load in there
[11:26] <grendal_prime> if i can do that what are the dist names i need..edgy and fiesty?
[11:26] <stdin> grendal_prime: you will need  to go in order, yes
[11:26] <Blissex> grendal_prime: "edit my sources.list file like with debian core dist" no, unless you really know what you are doing, and even then it is very dodgy.
[11:26] <stdin> !upgrade
[11:26] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:26] <stdin> grendal_prime: see that link (for all versions)
[11:28] <karen> stdin: http://pastebin.com/d170872bf
[11:29] <stdin> karen: you did "sudo ndiswrapper-1.9 -r net5211" ? (with the -r  ? )
[11:29] <karen> Yes... That's what it said...
[11:30] <stdin> no, it wouldn't say that with -r
[11:30] <stdin> karen: copy and paste it
[11:30] <karen> Oh.  Weird. Hold on a second.
[11:31] <grendal_prime> really? its that big of a difference to just replace all the dappers with edgy and then run dist-upgrade?  I would think they would stick the the methods debian has built
[11:31] <Halifax> xine
[11:31] <Halifax> oops. Sorry wrong window. ^_^
[11:32] <karen> stdin: http://pastebin.com/m41ac4b5c
[11:32] <mikkael> !paste
[11:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <stdin> grendal_prime: no, there can be some major differences between versions. eg: edgy has replaced the normal init system with upstart
[11:32] <karen> Okay, that's it.
[11:32] <mikkael> i get this error in synaptic: what can i do? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33616/
[11:33] <stdin> karen: copy and paste it, you typed it wrong, you put an extra space in there :  sudo ndiswrapper-1.9 -r net5211
[11:33] <karen> Oh, sorry.
[11:35] <karen> stdin: Okay, done.   Nothing happened.
[11:35] <stdin> karen: now "sudo ndiswrapper-1.9 -l" should show nothing?
[11:36] <stdin> mikkael: did you try manually removing all the kernel package files or something ?
[11:36] <mikkael> its from a old kernel, i removed the old kernel when i was using a newer one
[11:37] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, did you do that by rm'ing the files?
[11:37] <mikkael> stdin: no, only with synaptic
[11:38] <stdin> mikkael: try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.22-7-generic"
[11:38] <karen> stdin: Yeah, nothing.
[11:39] <ubuntu> hi
[11:39] <stdin> karen: ok, now open up "kdesu ndisgtk" again, and select the net5211.inf file
[11:39] <grendal_prime> ok that tool sucks
[11:39] <mikkael> stdin: not available
[11:39] <grendal_prime> can't find DistUpgradeViewGtk
[11:40] <grendal_prime> im gonna do the edit the source.list file
[11:40] <stdin> grendal_prime: look at the Kubuntu tools
[11:40] <stdin> grendal_prime: or Kubuntu instructions rather
[11:41] <Aranel> how can I format my MMC card from Kubuntu ?
[11:42] <stdin> Aranel: see "man mkfs"
[11:42] <karen> stdin: It says "Hardware Present: No" again. Ah!
[11:42] <stdin> karen: what's the exact model of your laptop?
[11:42] <stdin> make/model
[11:43] <karen> Acer Aspire 5570-2977 ?
[11:43] <viruzz23> Hello there
[11:44] <viruzz23> is there someone who knows which kubuntu version is 'Intel GMA x3100 (965GM) ready'?
[11:44] <AloBlumenau> please help me, I created an user, I shared its folder (all using system settings of kubuntu) but nothing happens, when a I try to access from windows its doesnt accept the password
[11:44] <jhutchins> For lists of supported hardware on (K)Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[11:44] <AloBlumenau> and I have another user working fine
[11:44] <stdin> viruzz23: does feisty work?
[11:45] <grendal_prime> kubuntu tools? where the hell is that...im thinking this blows compaired to the simplisity of etch
[11:45] <AloBlumenau> now I tried to remove the share and system crashs (for those who said linux dont crash)
[11:45] <jhutchins> !samba | AloBlumenau
[11:45] <ubotu> AloBlumenau: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:45] <stdin> grendal_prime: use etch if you want to
[11:45] <AloBlumenau> I tried
[11:45] <AloBlumenau> swat doesnt work
[11:46] <viruzz23> stdin: I dunno, someone said, Kubuntu Gutsy would be ready, but I dunno whether this is right
[11:46] <karen> stdin:  Would it be horribly annoying/inconvenient to continue this at another time/day?
[11:46] <karen> (I think I have to go soon.)
[11:47] <stdin> viruzz23: gutsy should work with it, but it won't be released for another 2 months
[11:47] <Aranel> how can I change my Katapult's settings ?
[11:47] <jhutchins> karen: As long as you have the endurance to keep after it.
[11:47] <arriesp> hi
[11:47] <viruzz23> stdin: excuse me, what do you mean?
[11:47] <AloBlumenau> why the share of System Setting doesnt work?
[11:47] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: If swat didn't work most as documented, be assured that there would be thousands of users who would notice.
[11:48] <stdin> viruzz23: gutsy is the current development version, it's not considered stable yet
[11:48] <stdin> !gutsy
[11:48] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[11:48] <karen> stdin: ?
[11:49] <stdin> karen: I'm looking on the ubuntu forums
[11:49] <viruzz23> I see
[11:49] <karen> stdin: Okay.. Thanks..
[11:50] <viruzz23> stdin: What step do you suggest next?
[11:51] <stdin> karen: take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=512828 ( book mark it if you don't have time now, I'll probably be here tomorrow too (its 22:51 here))
[11:52] <stdin> viruzz23: you can either wait for 2 months, or install feisty and use the vesa driver in feisty until gutsy comes out, or install gutsy now
[11:53] <viruzz23> stdin: Well, thats what I also knew before ;) :D
[11:53] <karen> stdin: Okay.. Thank you for spending so much time, and everything. I'm sure it wasn't the most fun thing ever. :)
[11:54] <stdin> karen: not the least fun I've had tho :p
[11:54] <stdin> viruzz23: it's up to you to decide which to do
[11:54] <karen> Haha.  Well, that's nice to know.  See ya.
[11:54] <stdin> cya soon
[11:55] <AloBlumenau> jhutchins: but its not working, I dont care about swat, the problem is with samba
[11:55] <AloBlumenau> I have an user called workspace who works fine
[11:55] <guerillapimp> hello
[11:55] <AloBlumenau> now I went ADDUSER on system settings and ADDED an user
[11:55] <AloBlumenau> then I went SHARING and add an folder
[11:55] <AloBlumenau> I restarted smbd
[11:56] <AloBlumenau> I used cat /etc/passwd | mkpasswd > /etc/samba/smbpasswd
[11:56] <AloBlumenau> and I restarted it again
[11:56] <jhutchins> Hm. Is that supposed to work with shadow passwords?
[11:57] <waylandbill_> AloBlumenau: did you smbpasswd -a  to add a user?
[11:57] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: I would think you'd have to cat /etc/shadow at the least.
[11:57] <posingaspopular> hey i have a bunch of audio files that need to be converted to ogg vorbis. what's the best way to do this?
[11:57] <AloBlumenau> I did, but I think smbpasswd is not working because its not adding user to smbpasswd file
[11:57] <waylandbill_> posingaspopular: oggenc
[11:58] <AloBlumenau> jhutchins: do I have to do it same way I did with passwd?
[11:58] <stdin> !info soundkonverter | posingaspopular
[11:58] <ubotu> posingaspopular: soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 365 kB, installed size 1456 kB
[11:58] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: No, I think that you passed passwd to smbpasswd, which does not contain the actual passwords.  Where did you get the idea that this would work?
[11:58] <AloBlumenau> but why with workspace user its worked?
[11:58] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: (I mean, it seems reasonable...)
[11:58] <AloBlumenau> at the web
[11:58] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: Big place.
[11:59] <posingaspopular> thanks
[11:59] <AloBlumenau> well, is the first place to look isnt it?
[11:59] <runlevelten> depends how you're working, if in a console, just use oggenc. If in a GUI, make sure you have audiokonvert service menus.
[11:59] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: Try giving me a specific reference.
[11:59] <runlevelten> then you can select the files, right click, convert to ogg.
[11:59] <AloBlumenau> ok
[11:59] <posingaspopular> sudo apt-get install soundkonvertor?
[12:00] <AloBlumenau> smbd is working because one of the users is browseable
[12:00] <stdin> posingaspopular: yep
[12:00] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: What you said should not have worked as far as I know, unless somehow smbpassword is smart enough to read /etc/shadow for actual passwords.  It's just that I've never heard of it, so I don't know for sure.
[12:00] <AloBlumenau> hmm
[12:00] <AloBlumenau> i see
[12:00] <posingaspopular> couldn't find package
[12:00] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: WHen you say one of the users is browsable, explain what you mean please.  Can you brows the share as that user from another PC?
[12:01] <AloBlumenau> yes
[12:01] <AloBlumenau> it ask for pass and ok
[12:01] <waylandbill_> !info soundkonvertor
[12:01] <ubotu> Package soundkonvertor does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:01] <AloBlumenau> but now I have to add another user
[12:01] <AloBlumenau> and share it too
[12:01] <waylandbill_> !info soundkonverter
[12:01] <ubotu> soundkonverter: KDE frontend to various audio converters. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 365 kB, installed size 1456 kB
[12:01] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: share what, the home directory?
[12:01] <AloBlumenau> the home directory of the user
[12:01] <AloBlumenau> yes
[12:02] <jhutchins> k.
[12:02] <stdin> posingaspopular: make sure you have universe enabled
[12:02] <AloBlumenau> I ll remove it (the user and shared folder) and do it again
[12:02] <posingaspopular> and do that... how?
[12:02] <stdin> !repos | posingaspopular
[12:02] <ubotu> posingaspopular: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:02] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: from the remote pc, try smbclient -L -U <seconduser>
[12:02] <vsudilov> anyone have a good resource for getting a driver for a new Brother printer?
[12:03] <AloBlumenau> remote pc is windows :(
[12:03] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: from the remote pc, try smbclient -L -U <seconduser> //<sharing machine.
[12:03] <jhutchins> Ah.
[12:03] <jhutchins> You know, I no longer have the gear to test this.
[12:03] <AloBlumenau> but I ll try from shell and forget gui interface of kubuntu
[12:03] <AloBlumenau> adduser -u name right?
[12:04] <stdin> vsudilov: is it listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersBrother
[12:04] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: Doesn't matter if you're on windows, I think you can only pass your current username.
[12:04] <stdin> vsudilov: is it listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrintersBrother
[12:04] <AloBlumenau> hm?
[12:04] <vsudilov> stdin: thanks ;)
[12:04] <AloBlumenau> Can't I have two users shared with samba?
[12:04] <stdin> vsudilov: and check for a driver on http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html  too
[12:05] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: You should be able to.
[12:05] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: I know how to do it with swat, not with the system menu.
[12:06] <AloBlumenau> unfortunattely swat doesnt work for me, I installed using synaptic but when I access localhost:901 I got an error
[12:07] <AloBlumenau> I already added it in inet.d and I have services running.. but..
[12:08] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: Other places to try are #ubuntu-br, #ubuntu-pt, and #samba.
[12:09] <stdin> AloBlumenau: you have to install an inded server too
[12:13] <AloBlumenau> jhutchins: is password problem
[12:13] <AloBlumenau> because when a I use guest its work
[12:16] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: Set the password manually.
[12:16] <AloBlumenau> how
[12:17] <jhutchins> AloBlumenau: I dont' know where you got the idea to cat the password file to smbpasswd, but like I said, as far as I know it won't work.