[12:33] <albert23> instabin: I have Intel/Realtek. I need to compile alsa myself, with a special pacth
[12:35] <DanaG> wtf?  Compiz just dimmed my firefox window.
[12:35] <DanaG> And now it's stuck dim.
[12:35] <DanaG> And the app is not frozen.
[12:40] <chasetoys> i downloaded the nvidia drivers direct from nvidias site... how can i get rid of those in favor of nvidia-glx ?
[12:45] <darkstar61> chasetoys: you could run the *pkg*.run with --uninstall
[12:47] <askand> Hmm..tried gutsy herd 4 recently..it doesnt find my dlink wifi card and not my intel (?!) soundcard...what has happened :S
[12:59] <davmor2> I just want to confirm a bug if possible.  Could some one change their login screen to Human List.  Do you get any Icons to click on instead of typing in your user name?
[01:14] <theverant> is gdesklets known to not work in Gutsy ATM?  ...or is it just me...
[01:20] <seiflotf1> hi guys
[01:20] <seiflotf1> wanted to ask how is gutsy gibbon going
[01:21] <seiflotf1> is it very buggy
[01:21] <seiflotf1> or can i work with it
[01:21] <theverant> I'm running it right now
[01:21] <theverant> it's buggy, but seems like nothing too major
[01:21] <seiflotf1> i am familiar iwth dpkg and everything
[01:21] <seiflotf1> but still can i  do most of my work on it
[01:21] <theverant> I have no idea... what kind of work are you doing?
[01:22] <seiflotf1> also does it still ahve that annoyign bug that when u move with ur mouse over t he tray the descitpions pop up but dont fade again
[01:22] <seiflotf1> well mostly openoffice at the moment
[01:22] <seiflotf1> and developing stuff under windows vmware
[01:22] <theverant> I have no bug with the mouse/tray
[01:22] <seiflotf1> however i want to look for bugs report and try to solve some
[01:23] <seiflotf1> what baotu empathy
[01:23] <theverant> OO is the development version 2.X
[01:23] <theverant> so i don't think I would trust it with important stuff
[01:23] <seiflotf1> well its only a word document at the moment
[01:23] <seiflotf1> and a presentation
[01:23] <seiflotf1> nothing more
[01:24] <theverant> I dunno... OO seems ok, but again I'm not sure I would trust it with anything important
[01:24] <theverant> maybe just save a lot :)
[01:24] <theverant> VMWare - I have no experience with
[01:25] <seiflotf1> can i install another partiion with gutsy
[01:25] <seiflotf1> so i can boot feisty or gutsy
[01:25] <seiflotf1> depending on my needs
[01:25] <theverant> I'm not the person to answer that, but I think you should be able to...
[01:26] <theverant> if you can dual boot with Windows, why not another linux install?
[01:26] <theverant> I've never tried it though...
[01:26] <theverant> you should be able to set up grub to do it though... maybe.. :p
[01:27] <seiflotf1> but then i need to choose another boot partition for gutsy
[01:27] <seiflotf1> and how will i name the "/"
[01:27] <theverant> just get it it's own HDD
[01:27] <seiflotf1> well i have a 50 MB partition here
[01:28] <seiflotf1> is that enough
[01:29] <theverant> http://www.go2linux.org/dual-boot-two-linux-distros-debian-and-mandriva
[01:29] <theverant> maybe can help you?
[01:29] <theverant> 50GB is tons
[01:31] <theverant> I really dunno if it'll work... Google it... lemmie know :)
[01:32] <seiflotf1> this means i will be deleting my windows partition
[01:33] <seiflotf1> wohooooo
[01:34] <theverant> just as I'm reinstalling windows on my lappy :/ There is balance in the universe ;)
[01:34] <seiflotf1> hehehehe
[01:34] <seiflotf1> yeah
[01:35] <seiflotf1> well i dont really need windows anymore
[01:35] <seiflotf1> i got tvuplayer to work under ubuntu
[01:35] <seiflotf1> :)
[01:35] <seiflotf1> and my favourtie games are all available und linux
[01:35] <seiflotf1> so
[01:35] <seiflotf1> no windows
[01:35] <theverant> I only "need" it for video support in Skype... :|
[01:35] <maria> anyone feel like helping me out, im getting weird stripes all over my screen, i made a screenshot ; http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotpz9.png
[01:35] <seiflotf1> well thats why i hope empathy does its job
[01:36] <theverant> yeah, I'm going to look into Empathy... the mother in law has Skype installed and working, though... she wants to see the baby... so... bleh!
[01:36] <seiflotf1> well i cant c any stripes
[01:36] <seiflotf1> coudl be ur gpu
[01:36] <laga> maria: you can't see them on the screenshot
[01:37] <maria> laga
[01:37] <maria> oh
[01:37] <maria> laga : i guess its my screen
[01:38] <laga> maria: could be the screen or your VGA card. or the cable - wiggling might help ;)
[01:39] <maria> i tried that :(
[01:39] <theverant> maria - nice excuse to go buy a sweet 20" wide LCD :)
[01:39] <maria> its crappy onboard riva tnt2
[01:39] <maria> 20" lcd for a p3 700 :(
[01:39] <theverant> nasty
[01:39] <seiflotf1> ok guys
[01:40] <maria> why onboard video card would light on fire trying to go over 1024x768
[01:40] <seiflotf1> should i install gutsy amd64 or i386
[01:40] <seiflotf1> ?
[01:40] <theverant> I'd stick with i386
[01:40] <ccooke> seiflotf1: depends what you need to do
[01:40] <theverant> unless you have apps which can really benefit from 64bit
[01:40] <theverant> or you want to feel cool ;)
[01:40] <seiflotf1> well i got everyting workign under 64 bit
[01:40] <ccooke> 64bit is faster on x86
[01:41] <seiflotf1> well i have an intel c2d
[01:41] <ccooke> seiflotf1: same here.
[01:41] <ccooke> As far as I can see, 64bit is almost there in terms of working
[01:41] <seiflotf1> yeo
[01:41] <ccooke> I ran feisty for three months on 64 bit
[01:41] <seiflotf1> only flash
[01:41] <seiflotf1> and i hear gnash is to fo the job
[01:41] <ccooke> finally gave up, though, because of the java problem
[01:42] <ccooke> seiflotf1: nah, flash is easy - there's a 32-bit wrapper for it.
[01:42] <seiflotf1> what java problem
[01:42] <ccooke> worked perfectly for me
[01:42] <ccooke> The java problem is that there is no 64-bit sun java plugin. For *any* architecture
[01:43] <seiflotf1> well ia32 ?
[01:43] <ccooke> and the 32bit plugin can't be wrapped like flash can
[01:43] <seiflotf1> did any1 try empathy
[01:43] <seiflotf1> ?
[01:43] <ccooke> empathy?
[01:44] <seiflotf1> http://live.gnome.org/Empathy
[01:44] <seiflotf1> its supposed to be in the repositories
[01:44] <ccooke> Basically, if I didn't need java, I could run a 64-bit browser with 32-bit flash. Since I need java, I had to run a 32bit browser. If Ubuntu provided that as a package, I'd be using 64-bit now. But... no.
[01:44] <ccooke> ah, yes
[01:45] <ccooke> I remember that being announced. Not looked since
[01:45] <theverant> it is in the repo - i just installed it
[01:45] <seiflotf1> and how is it
[01:45] <seiflotf1> ?
[01:45] <seiflotf1> does the dock problem still exist
[01:46] <seiflotf1> so guys
[01:46] <seiflotf1> wish me luch
[01:46] <seiflotf1> luck
[01:46] <theverant> it only has protocols for Jabber, Salut, Google Talk, MSN, and IRC
[01:46] <seiflotf1> i am actually typing gutsy into the repositories
[01:46] <seiflotf1> still not sure htough
[01:48] <theverant> empathy seems to dock fine
[01:48] <theverant> it's not blowin my skirt up though
[01:48] <theverant> I guess it's a work in progress still?
[01:50] <theverant> seiflotfl - good luck ;)
[01:51] <theverant> gdesklets doesn't work for me... :(
[01:51] <seiflotf1> well i dont like gseklets htough
[01:52] <theverant> well I'm new to gnome - I wanted to try it out...
[01:53] <ccooke> ... Has gdesklets *ever* worked?
[01:53] <seiflotf1> yep
[01:53] <theverant> I have no idea... I'm a KDE user usually... :)
[01:53] <seiflotf1> try adeklets
[01:55] <ccooke> ... nope, gdesklets still doesn't work
[01:56] <seiflotf1> upgraded
[01:56] <seiflotf1> i mean upgrading
[01:56] <theverant> I wuz gunna say - that was fast
[01:58] <theverant> bleh.  I'm too used to things closing to the task tray in KDE... :p
[01:58] <seiflotf1> i just stopped the download
[01:59] <seiflotf1> changing to a server for mgermany
[01:59] <seiflotf1> now thats muc hbetter
[01:59] <seiflotf1> 2889 kB/s
[01:59] <seiflotf1> wohoooooooooo
[02:00] <theverant> shweet
[02:09] <seiflotf1> 3357 kB/s
[02:12] <Instabin> I had problems installing the restricted driver for an nvidia geforce 6800gt. restricted drivers installed the nvidia-glx and it should have install nvidia-glx-new
[02:13] <Instabin> I thought ubuntu tribe 4 had the nvidia 100.14.11 driver...
[02:15] <d4rkmonkey> hmm in my restricted drivers it says lirv_gpio is enabled but not in use
[02:15] <d4rkmonkey> *lirc_gpio
[02:15] <d4rkmonkey> anyone have any idea what that is?
[02:17] <RAOF> That's a IR remote driver, IIRC.
[02:17] <DanaG> Oh yay, the logic of "Snap Inverted" has been... inverted.
[02:17] <d4rkmonkey> IR?
[02:17] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: mine says the same thing
[02:17] <d4rkmonkey> like infra red?
[02:17] <RAOF> Yes.  Infra-red remote.
[02:17] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: do you know how to get the nvidia-settings icon in the start menu
[02:18] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: do you know how to get the nvidia-settings icon in the applications menu
[02:18] <d4rkmonkey> no?
[02:18] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF, thats retarded. I don't even have IR on my laptop. what will it do if I disable it?
[02:18] <RAOF> Nothing.
[02:18] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: I don't have ir on my desktop...
[02:19] <RAOF> Also, it's doing nothing now, so... :)
[02:19] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: I just let it alone
[02:19] <d4rkmonkey> I'm going to disable then
[02:20] <seiflotf1> wow i am excited
[02:20] <DanaG> lirc is not irda, either -- it's for IR remotes.
[02:20] <seiflotf1> my ubuntu is upgrading
[02:20] <DanaG> IRDA is severely deprecated, itself, nowadays.
[02:23] <Instabin> any one know when they are going to update the restricted drivers?
[02:29] <d4rkmonkey> Instabin, NEVAR!!!!
[02:29] <Instabin> what?
[02:29] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: what ????
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> I don't know?
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> I just felt like saying something
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> Instabin, ^^
[02:31] <Instabin> oh
[02:32] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: where is the status page for gusty....
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> uhm
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> !release
[02:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> :D
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> wait
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> no
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> thats not it
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> !gutsy
[02:32] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> goddamn.
[02:32] <Instabin> !updates
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about updates - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> !gutsy-release
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gutsy-release - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:32] <Instabin> !status
[02:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about status - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <Instabin> !state
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about state - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <d4rkmonkey> I forget where the schedule is
[02:33] <Instabin> !schedule
[02:33] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:33] <Instabin> !help
[02:33] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:34] <Instabin> !foo
[02:34] <ubotu> foo is bar
[02:34] <Instabin> lol
[02:34] <Instabin> !tell d4rkmonkey foo
[02:35] <d4rkmonkey> o_O
[02:35] <d4rkmonkey> !foo > Instabin
[02:35] <Instabin> !tell d4rkmonkey about foo
[02:35] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[02:35] <Instabin> lol
[02:35] <d4rkmonkey> :O
[02:35] <d4rkmonkey> meanie.
[02:35] <Instabin> foo is bar
[02:36] <Instabin> os[Linux 2.6.22-9-generic i686]  distro[Debian lenny/sid]  cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+ @ 2.41GHz]  mem[Physical : 1519MB, 81.3% free]  disk[Total : 216.50GB, 85.80% Free]  video[nVidia Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6800 GT] ]  sound[] 
[02:36] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: ^^
[02:36] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[02:37] <Instabin> d4rkmonkey: sysinfo
[02:38] <d4rkmonkey> eww I'd have to install that then
[02:38] <d4rkmonkey> pfft
[02:38] <Instabin> lol
[02:39] <DanaG> Argh, compiz broke my 'del' key.
[02:39] <d4rkmonkey> that sucks
[02:39] <Instabin> lol
[02:39] <d4rkmonkey> desktop-effects stop all my Amarok shortcuts for some reason
[02:40] <d4rkmonkey> and break my MythTV
[02:40] <Instabin> !media
[02:40] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:40] <Instabin> !codecs
[02:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:42] <Instabin> YEA!!! im getting my restricted extras
[02:42] <Instabin> with out automatix
[02:43] <DanaG> argfh, ctrl-shift-arrow is also broken.
[02:43] <DanaG> Now I can't select text that way.
[02:43] <Instabin> DanaG: What was ctrl-shift-arrow
[02:44] <Instabin> DanaG: did you install compiz settings manager
[02:47] <Instabin> How do i setup the desktop corner short cuts.....
[02:54] <Instabin> lol i crashed my x server
[02:54] <Instabin> I tryed to run glxgears
[02:54] <Instabin> I tryed to run glxgears -info
[02:57] <Instabin> !dvd
[02:57] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:00] <DanaG> aah, enhanced-zoom is stealing ctrl-shift-arrow.  Bad!
[03:01] <Instabin> yea!!! i have dvd playback
[03:03] <marginoferror> Anyone know why the FUSE ntfs driver simply fails to display files with non-ASCII names?
[03:03] <marginoferror> Is there a setting I'm missing?  Like the "don't be a retard" setting in /etc/fstab?
[03:03] <RAOF> Because you're not using the right codepage, maybe?  I've got absolutely no experience, though :)
[03:04] <RAOF> Using UTF-8?
[03:04] <marginoferror> I'm using whatever the default is.  However, I've seen filesystems mounted with the wrong codepage before and they always show files with ??? filenames - not just nothing.  Lemme check fastb
[03:04] <marginoferror> err, fstab
[03:04] <marginoferror> UUID=0A00172E00171FED /media/hdd1     ntfs-fuse    defaults,nls=utf8,uid=1000
[03:05] <marginoferror> I AM using utf8.  But maybe that's part of the problem, since I carried that option over from when I was using the standard driver.  I'll delete that part.
[03:06] <marginoferror> Yep, that fixed it entirely.  I'm guessing that's a bug.
[03:07] <RAOF> Woo!  Totally clueless help works :)
[03:12] <marginoferror> =)
[03:12] <marginoferror> Thanks
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> WOOT! gutsy fixed my sound too! and i'm getting 30 minutes better battery life off the tickless option!
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> this is one awesome release!
[03:24] <TBZ> How can I read the contents of GNOME.desktop? It is blank, but if I make a new session with custom name, and leave contents blank, it loads in failsafe mode?
[03:29] <TBZ> sorry, wrong chan
[04:24] <Bl00dFox> Hi!
[04:24] <Bl00dFox> i just wanted to ask a question about gutsy
[04:27] <RAOF> !ask
[04:27] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:28] <seiflotfy> hi guys
[04:28] <seiflotfy> any1 there
[04:29] <Bl00dFox> okay
[04:29] <seiflotfy> for some reason ubuntu starts wit heth0 disconnected
[04:29] <seiflotfy> although
[04:29] <seiflotfy> it is connected
[04:29] <seiflotfy> i just upgraded from feisty
[04:30] <seiflotfy> and gnome starts up very slow
[04:30] <seiflotfy> :(
[04:31] <Bl00dFox> I wanted to ask a question about compiz fusion - I had to follow a complicated guide on how to install it using feisty
[04:31] <Bl00dFox> its automatically installed in gutsy right?
[04:32] <d4rkmonkey> I believe so
[04:32] <RAOF> Yes, it is.
[04:32] <Bl00dFox> but i still have to install my ATi drivers right?
[04:32] <d4rkmonkey> maybe
[04:32] <Bl00dFox> that was a pain last time
[04:32] <d4rkmonkey> try the tribe 4 live CD
[04:33] <d4rkmonkey> just see if that runs
[04:33] <d4rkmonkey> also if you don't do a clean install
[04:33] <RAOF> Although if you're upgrading from Feisty with the trevinho repositories, you may have problems.
[04:33] <d4rkmonkey> you shouldn't have to re-install anything
[04:33] <Bl00dFox> will the live CD come with Compiz Fusion??
[04:33] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:33] <Bl00dFox> cool
[04:33] <d4rkmonkey> yeah the live CD will have everything that gutsy has
[04:33] <Bl00dFox> Ill dl it at school tomorrow
[04:33] <d4rkmonkey> so if it works you can try out whatever
[04:33] <Bl00dFox> wow
[04:33] <seiflotfy> i got naother question
[04:33] <Bl00dFox> Man the live CD is so convenient
[04:34] <seiflotfy> i got a usb audio device as well as an onboard audio device
[04:34] <seiflotfy> however totem uses only the usb
[04:34] <seiflotfy> although i want it to use the onboard
[04:34] <seiflotfy> how do i do that
[04:34] <RAOF> seiflotfy: Install "asoundconf-gtk", then System->Preferences->Default Sound Card.
[04:35] <seiflotfy> been there
[04:35] <seiflotfy> done it
[04:35] <seiflotfy> no help
[04:35] <seiflotfy> totem still plays usign the usb
[04:36] <seiflotfy> :(
[04:36] <RAOF> System->Pref->Sound, and select the right device for the various things?
[04:36] <seiflotfy> i selected my onboard for everything
[04:36] <seiflotfy> still not working
[04:37] <seiflotfy> i even tried it through multimedia selector
[04:38] <Bl00dFox> ok guys thanks for all the help
[04:42] <darkstar61> hi all, i-m running kde4 on gutsi t4... i ve these issues with the kmenu (duplicated entries) > http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4738/kde5ma1.png
[04:44] <DanaG> I can't even get kde4 to start, so I can't help there.
[04:45] <darkstar61> DanaG: i just install the packages with adept and followed these instructions http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[04:46] <darkstar61> *installed
[04:46] <DanaG> When I tried that, various things (such as the window manager) crashed.
[04:46] <darkstar61> Danafrom gutsy trice 4?
[04:47] <darkstar61> *tribe
[04:47] <DanaG> I haven't tried since about a week ago.
[04:47] <DanaG> I might as well give it another try now.
[04:48] <DanaG> I wish there were a metapackage of kde4.
[04:48] <darkstar61> DanaG: i istalled all but *dev and followed that
[04:48] <darkstar61> To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop, edit the Name entry in kde4.desktop to be called "KDE 4", put the four export lines at the top of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde and start a new session in KDM with KDE 4.
[04:49] <darkstar61> so i can start kde4 or 3 from the login
[04:49] <darkstar61> menu
[04:53] <DanaG> Stupid 3-megabit connection -- while it's certainly not the worst, it's still rather lame.
[04:54] <DanaG> Too bad I'm not on my college campus right now -- then I'd be downloading at nearly a gigabit.
[04:54] <DanaG> GbE on my laptop + insanely fat pipes on "Internet2" == the win.
[04:54] <DanaG> s/the/teh/
[04:56] <DanaG> The first time I downloaded something from kernel.org using that connection, I immediately noticed the insane download speeds I was getting: roughly 20000 kilobytes per second.  (yes, twenty thousand.)
[04:56] <DanaG> Compare that to my measly 380 here at home.
[04:57] <DanaG> Well, anyway, I'll have to wait a few hours for the download to finish.
[04:57] <DanaG> s/a few/one or two/
[05:11] <RxDx> im running Gutsy Tribe4, and 3D effects arent running ok... i cant see the menu bars. (nVidia GeForce 6200)
[05:38] <DanaG> Oh yay, my Home key is broken, too.
[05:58] <Shadow_mil> will Gutsy have beryl || compiz || whatever, by default?
[05:58] <Shadow_mil> or do we not know?
[05:59] <Shadow_mil> I heard humors they wanted to put it into feisty
[05:59] <Hobbsee> it's already got compiz fusion by default
[05:59] <RAOF> It currently has Compiz + Fusion by default.
[05:59] <RAOF> I believe that's likely to be removed before release, though, because drivers still suck.
[05:59] <Shadow_mil> Hmmmm
[06:00] <RAOF> s/removed/not enabled by default/
[06:00] <RAOF> It'll still be trivially enabled.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> RAOF: is it?  where'd you hear that?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> RAOF: it should auto-fallback on cards that dont support it, though
[06:00] <RAOF> Hobbsee: From Amaranth, after #ubuntu-devel hated on Compiz for a while :)
[06:00] <Shadow_mil> do you know if they put it into feisty Kubuntu?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> RAOF: but you didnt hear that from the release team and such
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Shadow_mil: they havent
[06:01] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Yeah, but even on drivers where it nominally works it breaks important stuff.  Video, for example :)(
[06:01] <Shadow_mil> I would say that the Kubuntu team should just save the work, and wait til KDE4.0, since QT/KDE4 will have openGL stuff in it
[06:01] <RAOF> Hobbsee: No, I didn't hear it from anyone on the release team.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF: this is true, but the release team knows that if htey pull it from a tribe, it'll be incredibly hard for it to get back into the release.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> RAOF: iv'e got the feeling that they'll press thru with it anyway.
[06:03] <RAOF> Hobbsee: That'd be cool, and I think that Xorg 7.3 fixes some of the more annoying bugs.
[06:03] <RAOF> It still wouldn't surprise me if it slipped, sadly.
[06:04] <RAOF> *again*
[06:04] <Hobbsee> we have 7.3 now, dont we?
[06:04] <RAOF> Not last I checked, but maybe.
[06:04] <RAOF> No.  We have xserver-xorg 1.3, which is clearly a part of Xorg 7.2
[06:05] <RAOF> Why should versioning make sense!  Stop saying words!
[06:05] <Hobbsee> RAOF: haha
[06:05] <Hobbsee> RAOF: right
[06:06] <RAOF> Bryce is working to get 7.3 in.
[06:06] <DanaG> What does 7.3 give?
[06:07] <RAOF> Working EXA for a start.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> RAOF: when's it released?
[06:08] <RAOF> The ati, and possibly the intel, drivers also gain working Xv under Composite.
[06:08] <RAOF> Hobbsee: August, or so says the infrequently-updated release page.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> RAOF: heh, right
[06:08] <Jacob> all i'm looking for is Xv + composite. totem hates compiz. :)
[06:09] <RAOF> Jacob: Fixed.  For ati certainly.  And probably for intel, although I'm less sure.
[06:09] <RAOF> And since that's just covered the set of Compiz-capable open-drivers cards... :)
[06:09] <Jacob> nope, not yet for intel, although i've subscribed to the bug and it seems progress is underway
[06:13] <lymeca> What kernel version will Gutsy have?
[06:13] <RAOF> 2.6.22
[06:13] <lymeca> 2.6.23?
[06:14] <lymeca> aye
[06:14] <lymeca> with 23 not be out in time?
[06:14] <RAOF> No
[06:14] <lymeca> It's a shame because 2.6.23 will have the new scheduler and Xen
[06:16] <DanaG> Oh...kay, I just installed the new KDE4.
[06:16] <DanaG> Everything is completely broken.
[06:17] <DanaG> Desktop is empty except for a thingy in the upper left, and the panel is entirely empty.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> this is a surprise?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> this is likely as plasma is a WIP
[06:17] <DanaG> I expected it to have some semblance of _trying_ to work.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> the libs should work.
[06:17] <Hobbsee> the GUI shouldnt
[06:18] <DanaG> I'd use this analogy: broken is a car with missing or damaged pieces.  kde4 is just a bunch of parts lying around.
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh, somebody else gave me the impression that it was supposed to be at least something try-able.
[06:19] <DanaG> Oh yeah, perhaps part of it is that I do not also have kde3 installed.
[06:19] <Hobbsee> that may not help, no
[06:22] <DanaG> Back to Gnome.
[06:22] <DanaG> Well, at least it was polite enough to leave my kde3 settings alone.
[06:23] <DanaG> (I do have kcontrol installed, because I want to be able to change those settings.)
[06:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: of course it does.  kde4 uses ~/.kde4
[06:26] <DanaG> Hmm, yet this news thingy shows more stuff working.  http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
[06:27] <DanaG> I still can't figure out why my 'del' key suddenly broke.
[06:28] <DanaG> All I get is a few notifies and this:
[06:28] <DanaG> KeymapNotify event, serial 28, synthetic NO, window 0x0,        keys:  2   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0              0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[06:29] <RAOF> "Support for random background colours per tab".  Wow.
[06:32] <DanaG> Well, dolphin works.  kmahjongg works.  Other stuff may still work.
[06:34] <tulga> someone use ltsp on gutsy?
[07:00] <DanaG> Arfgh, my delete key is still broken.
[07:02] <DanaG> Oh, and I got a couple of segfaults after one of the init-scripts.
[07:03] <Ayabara> mounting nfs still doesn't work? did my monday morning update now, but things look to be as they were on friday.
[07:07] <DanaG> yay, old deskbar.  New version is useless.
[07:13] <graft> anyone having atheros issues with the latest  kernel?
[07:21] <apache2> hey all
[07:21] <apache2> wonder if anyone can help me troubleshoot why whenever I play any type of video, vlc, mplayer, etc -- the video is completely "shaky"
[07:21] <benanz2> not much going on in here
[07:21] <apache2> appears like an earthquake is going on
[07:22] <apache2> running ATI, fglrx, using xine
[07:22] <benanz2> hmm.  Have you got desktop-effects enabled?
[07:22] <apache2> no
[07:22] <benanz2> the whole screen or just the video window?
[07:22] <apache2> just the video window
[07:23] <apache2> when I run xvinfo and fglrxinfo everything seems to check out
[07:24] <apache2> if I could somehow capture what it looks like, maybe that would be helpfull?
[07:24] <benanz2> I really have no idea.  is it just the Xine player?
[07:25] <apache2> every player
[07:25] <benanz2> try a gstreamer app like totem-gstreamer
[07:25] <apache2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/131943
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131943 in Ubuntu "When using mplayer, vlc, kmplayer in 7.10 Gusty Gibbon with ATI card fglrx, xv overlay, the video appears "Shaky"" [Undecided,New] 
[07:26] <Ayabara> can someone try to mount an nfs drive? just want to check if it's me or Gutsy that's to blame :-)
[07:27] <benanz2> apache2: try changing the output module for xine to X11 (no xv)
[07:28] <apache2> okay I'll try that
[07:28] <apache2> in the mean time I just opened a video in totem and all the colors were inverted :)
[07:28] <apache2> didn't "shake" but full screen it still appeared to be in software mode (no hardware accel -- sortof pixelated)
[07:30] <apache2> benanz2: right, with no XV just X11 it plays fine, but when you go fullscreen it stays the same size
[07:30] <apache2> if you know what I mean
[07:32] <apache2> I switched to gl and gl2 and it is much better, so that narrows it down to an XV bug
[07:33] <RAOF> Yay.  Xv bug in a binary blob.
[07:33] <RAOF> Can there be any greater fun?
[07:34] <apache2> what package does Xv come with, xorg itself?
[07:35] <apache2> libxv1, libxvmc1
[07:36] <RAOF> It's a driver feature.
[07:37] <RAOF> Those would be libraries for programs that want to use Xv.
[07:37] <RAOF> I don't suppose you can test with a free driver?
[07:37] <apache2> the "ati" driver?
[07:37] <RAOF> Yeah.
[07:37] <apache2> I've never used anything other than fglrx, I'd have to research what to do
[07:38] <apache2> does the "ati" driver even work with the X**** series ati cards?
[07:38] <apache2> using a MacbookPro w/ X1600 here
[07:38] <crdlb> no
[07:39] <apache2> thought so, that'd be why I haven't used it before :P
[07:39] <crdlb> the avivo driver is an attempt to make a free r500 driver though
[07:39] <apache2> ah
[07:39] <crdlb> but it's extremely alpha
[07:39] <apache2> so that's another option
[07:39] <apache2> I see
[07:39] <crdlb> like slower-than-vesa alpha
[07:39] <apache2> damn
[07:40] <apache2> so this Xv problem would be a bug that ATI/AMD would have to sort out
[07:40] <apache2> ?
[07:40] <apache2> (cough cough----sh*t :(  )
[07:40] <DanaG> Is there any way to make Pulseaudio run high-priority, yet not speed up cpufreq?
[07:42] <RAOF> DanaG: It didn't, not when I was using it.
[07:43] <DanaG> Hmm, it's using about 12% CPU.
[07:44] <DanaG> Okay, something else is also causing issues.  I temporarily absolve PulseAudio of blame.
[07:45] <DanaG> Oh, and it's not running high-priority, so that's not the issue.  It's running at priority 0.
[08:18] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[08:18] <contrast83> Has anyone heere successfully compiled Compiz-Fusion under Gutsy?
[08:18] <contrast83> here*
[08:36] <apache2> if I try to run xine it crashes hardcore
[08:38] <titanix88> hello
[08:39] <titanix88> ?
[08:40] <d4rkmonkey> hi?
[08:57] <DanaG> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Dialog
[09:16] <tulga> howto know which card is eth0 and which card is eth1?
[11:26] <ranjan> amarok does not show any dropdown menus
[11:27] <ranjan> i cannot get inti the settings... any ideas?
[12:00] <Infecto> root     15394 95.8  0.0   2432   388 ?        R    11:00  57:18 vbetool dpms on
[12:00] <Infecto> ?
[12:00] <Infecto> 95% of cpu?
[12:04] <_4strO> yop yop
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[12:25] (Instabin|work/#ubuntu+1) Where can i find the status of the restricted nvidia drivers
[01:46] <tatters> trying to run my Tvcard and webcam gives me error  Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoModia I googled around and read that the nvidia drivers do not suppt this mode anymore , his mean that any app that uses capture devices are broken for me , there is a option to use -nodga switch with xawtv which works but is not an ideal solution,,,,,,,,,,,,,anyone any knowledge of this problem?
[01:47] <tatters> X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode
[02:11] <tatters> is video4linux fully implemented yet in gutsy?
[02:14] <leperkhanz> What's the best tool for converting .mdf or .img over to .iso?
[02:15] <Pici> !iso
[02:15] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[02:15] <tatters> a computer :)
[02:16] <leperkhanz> Thanks Pici.
[02:23] <leperkhanz> Is there a way to right click an iso and mount it?  Or make that possible in Ubuntu?
[02:23] <leperkhanz> I'd love to just right click an iso and select "mount" from the list.
[02:24] <Pici> I think there is an application to make mounting of ISOs easy, but I cant think of its name.
[02:26] <tatters> linux noob here but that sound like an easy project to make a script and add to right click menu,
[02:42] <tatters> anyone use a TVcard and latest Nvidia drivers, I am having problesm running any capture app gives me error  " X Error of failed request:  XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode"    unless I use "-nodga" ,strangly though Kopete works fine with device without the "-nodga" option. I googled around nnd found that Nvidia does not support this mode anymore, does this mean all capture apps have to be updated?
[02:44] <leperkhanz> I'm not trying to do that, but TVtime worx good 4 me.
[02:45] <tatters> do u have nvidia propriastry drivers?
[02:45] <leperkhanz> Where is the right place to upload a feature request?  Somewhere in launchpad?
[02:45] <leperkhanz> yep.
[02:45] <leperkhanz> TVtime is workin' good!
[02:47] <tatters> hmm
[02:47] <genii> BTW hats off to whoever worked on restricted drivers manager
[02:47] <tatters> guess it must be somethin else then , I get same prob with Tvtime
[02:48] <leperkhanz> Yeah, Ubuntu has come a long way.  Feisty was a big step forward.  Gutsy is going to rock.
[02:48] <genii> leperkhanz: What sort of tuner card/device you have? I just got a pci tv wonder 200
[02:49] <tatters> I was just gunna ask that
[02:49] <leperkhanz> Mine's a AverTV somethin' I think?
[02:49] <tatters> avertmedia tv studio and a fx5200 here
[02:50] <tatters> all worked good in fiesty
[02:50] <leperkhanz> Where do I put feature requests?
[02:50] <Pici> leperkhanz: Log a bug on launchpad
[02:50] <genii> 7600GT and of course the tv wonder :) I'm gonna put the tuner in tonight and see how it goes. The 7600 works awesomely
[02:51] <tatters> leperkhanz: are you running compiz-fusion at all?
[02:53] <leperkhanz> tatters: Of course!
[02:53] <leperkhanz> :D
[02:53] <leperkhanz> 6600 gt
[02:54] <tatters> I dont understand if latest drivers do not support XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode Y I have to add the switch an u dont
[02:54] <leperkhanz> I ruined m .dmrc file though, somehow, so I have to load compiz by hand every reboot.
[02:54] <tatters> compiz is working like a dream here
[02:56] <leperkhanz> The funniest is that no animations besides fade and dodge work for me, except every little text box that pops up (hints?) use every other animation, so there's constantly tiny little fires and bizarre compiz animations of that sort all over the screen... but the windows only fade, lol.
[02:56] <leperkhanz> I think isobuster works better in wine than in windows.  LOL
[02:57] <hylje> :o
[02:58] <leperkhanz> Now if I can just get it to make these damned files into .iso
[02:58] <leperkhanz> I've made .bin, .img, where is the .iso button?  doh!
[02:58] <hylje> bchunk
[03:21] <shirish> hi all, does anybody know which package does gconftool reside in?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: dpkg -S gconftool
[03:23] <shirish> Hobbsee: thank you
[03:23] <Hobbsee> no problem
[03:24] <tatters> I am having problems getting any capture device to work this thread contains same error and the a kinda solution that works,but it seems like an old issue does anyuone know about this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-334508.htm
[03:24] <shirish> is there some kind of front-end/ui to gconftool?
[03:24] <Pici> shirish: gconf-editor perhaps, I'm not sure what you're trying to do, nor have I used gconftool
[03:26] <shirish> Pici: dunno if this is a bug or not, the thing is in Settings, Preferred applications I have set firefox-granparadiso (i.e. ff 3.0a7 as the default/preferred browser) but looking the same at gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command shows me firefox %s
[03:29] <Pici> shirish: Sounds like it might be an alternatives issue.
[03:30] <shirish> ubotu alternatives
[03:30] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[03:32] <shirish> Pici: lol, there is only There is only 1 program which provides gnome-www-browser
[03:32] <shirish> (/usr/bin/firefox). Nothing to configure.
[03:33] <Pici> hmm
[03:34] <shirish> Pici: even 'x-www-browser' also throws up only 2 alternatives, firefox & icecape
[03:36] <hylje> iceweasel!
[03:39] <shirish> hylje: nope it says iceape, /usr/bin/iceape although it might be iceweasel, the browser the debian guys use
[03:42] <shirish> Pici: if you do put up a bug please tell me the bug no. for I wanna subscribe to it.
[04:25] <IdleOne> what is the update-alternatives command to choose java?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> sudo update-alternatives --config java, i think
[04:31] <IdleOne> yup ty
[04:36] <DanaG> You can also install the 'galternatives' thingy to give you a GUI.
[04:37] <Pici> DanaG: Ooh, good to know
[04:37] <IdleOne> galternatives?
[04:39] <IdleOne> ty DanaG didnt know there was a GUI for it
[04:48] <shirish> ubotu resolution
[04:48] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:49] <IdleOne> shirish, how do I make a symlink to java6 so paradiso will use it?
[04:50] <shirish> IdleOne: no idea m8, I just crashed out my xserver & am having problems there :(
[04:50] <IdleOne> ahh ok
[04:50] <shirish> now in windows, trying to see if I can fix that problem first
[05:00] <Eq|work> hm.. seems a lot quieter in here.
[05:00] <Eq|work> anyone got suggestions on getting a dell d630 to work properly with gutsy? not having much luck atm.. well, to an extent. got gfx working, though everything feels rather large (in spide of being the right res), but no sound, and no optical drive..
[05:42] <pvandewyngaerde> Commando '/usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1' is niet gevonden.
[05:43] <pvandewyngaerde> when enabling zeroconf browsing in KDE
[06:01] <tumbleweed> are esd problems general?
[06:11] <nemik> tumbleweed: esd? like the startup sound? i never hear it
[06:11] <Instabin|work> I submited a wall paper image to the ubuntu wiki could someone tell me what they think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu/BlubuntuWallpaper
[06:11] <Instabin|work> its teh one wat the bottom
[06:11] <Instabin|work> sry fat fingers ( its the one at the bottom)
[06:12] <Matir`> very clean
[06:12] <nemik> nice
[06:12] <Matir`> i like it
[06:12] <nemik> but blue should be for kubuntu, no?
[06:12] <Instabin|work> myI duno it under artwork incomming blubuntu...
[06:12] <Instabin|work> it was my first time using gimp
[06:13] <nemik> ah i see
[06:13] <shirish> guys does anybody know when xserver-xorg 7.3 be coming into Gutsy?
[06:14] <Instabin|work> !topic
[06:15] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[06:15] <Instabin|work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:15] <Instabin|work> shirish:^^
[06:17] <Eq|work> that doesn't specifically answer the question as such.. though it does imply it may well not.
[06:17] <shirish> Instabin I know when Gutsy is being released, I wanted to know when xserver-xorg 7.3 will be in gutsy, I am running gutsy
[06:18] <Eq|work> IF
[06:18] <shirish> I am seeing this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xorg7.3Integration atm, but that doesn't tell me what is happening atm :(
[06:21] <Matir`> It looks like, if it's not pulled in in the next 3 days, it won't make Gutsy
[06:21] <Eq|work> yeah
[06:22] <tumbleweed> nemik: when I run any standard gnome multimedia programs, I get trouble...
[06:23] <tumbleweed> lots of crashes, the samaple videos don't play, etc
[06:25] <Eq|work> hopefully xorg will be granted an extension.. as tbh 7.3 looks like it'll make a lot of difference..
[06:28] <voidmage> xorg usually gets in
[06:28] <Eq|work> we shall see.
[06:28] <Eq|work> wonder if it'll improve the x stuff on my d630..
[06:30] <shirish> it should, gotta see what bryce has to say about it
[06:30] <shirish> he would have more of the info.
[06:31] <shirish> there is a testing thread in ubuntuforums about xorg 7.3 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=490982
[06:32] <intra> Hi
[06:32] <intra> Where can I download the latest release of Gutsy?
[06:33] <voidmage> you can either download a cd image or upgrade from feisty
[06:39] <Instabin|work> I was getting lockups on video while playing dvds
[06:41] <Instabin|work> shirish: did you check the launchpad link?
[06:42] <Instabin|work> nvr mind its just a blue print
[06:44] <Instabin|work> How bout the nvidia restricted 100.14.11 driver is there a page for it
[06:46] <shirish> Instabin: there is a .deb packages if one wants to test
[06:46] <shirish> Instabin: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/
[06:47] <shirish> Instabin|work: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/
[06:47] <shirish> Instabin|work: it has nvidia stuff, but don't know which driver & most probably it would be configured for xorg 7.3
[06:49] <Instabin|work> shirish: i see the nv 2.1.1 driver but not the restricted
[06:49] <Instabin|work> ahh found it its under fglrx
[06:50] <Instabin|work> but its still just driver version 9631
[06:50] <Instabin|work> 9775
[06:51] <ccooke> 9631 is the latest driver packaged as nvidia-glx in Ubuntu
[06:51] <ccooke> 9755 is packaged in nvidia-glx-new
[06:51] <shirish> Instabin|work: if you need the newer version driver for whatever purposes, file a bug report at launchpad & give reasons for it, as to why its needed,
[06:51] <Instabin|work> shirish: yes the old ones dont support the 8400m
[06:52] <ccooke> Instabin|work: have you tried nvidia-glx-new ?
[06:52] <Instabin|work> Yes
[06:52] <Instabin|work> ccoke:^^
[06:52] <Instabin|work> ccooke:^^
[06:53] <ccooke> ah, I misread your correction
[06:54] <Instabin|work> ccooke: do you have a link to the launch pad
[06:56] <Instabin|work> found it
[06:56] <Instabin|work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/
[06:56] <shirish> ubotu launchpad | Instabin|work
[06:56] <ubotu> Instabin|work: launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[06:57] <shirish> guys, I am suffering from a peculiar bug, from one profile I can't access/use GNOME but another profile i can use/work in GNOME, in such case, how can I have a clean GNOME profile ?
[06:58] <shirish> right now in XFCE
[06:59] <Eq|work> shirish : rm -rf .gnome2/ ?
[06:59] <Eq|work> in the b0rked profile
[06:59] <Eq|work> or probably better to mv it
[06:59] <Eq|work> may need to do .gnome , .gnome2 and .gnome2_private
[07:01] <shirish> Eq|work: There is also a .gnomerc, would that also need to be moved?
[07:01] <Eq|work> hrm.. i don't have that
[07:01] <Eq|work> probably safest to, yeah
[07:02] <Eq|work> mkdir gnomefiles-b0rked; mv .gnome* gnomefiles-b0rked
[07:02] <Eq|work> :P
[07:02] <Instabin|work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/132237
[07:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132237 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "Nvidia Restricted drivers card support" [Undecided,New] 
[07:03] <shirish> Eq|work: actually did that, not with the .gnome* but did that nonetheless & the name used is broked profile
[07:03] <Instabin|work> could some one check out that link and see if i have enough info...
[07:03] <Instabin|work> I could get and lspci -v later
[07:05] <shirish> Instabin|work: usually I tag the bug as an upgrade if its an upgrade or update of a release I am asking for, the developer can see that stuff, haven't asked any driver upgrades so unknown about that.
[07:05] <cr1ss> hi, I 'm having a weird problem with my speakers.. with win xp , I have no sound issues, with gutsy, when I raise the volume, a "fsssssssh" is being heard which gets stronger as I raise the volume. what could this be ?
[07:07] <Instabin|work> cr1ss: do you have another set of speakers or headphones to test if its your spearks or something else causing the problem?
[07:09] <cr1ss> I don't think it has to do with the speakers, because, while on windows xp, everything works ok
[07:09] <cr1ss> also, using feisty before, this problem didn't exist
[07:13] <tatters> improvements in gutsy include audable "fsssssssh" when raising or lowering volume for the benifit of the sight impaired
[07:15] <tale_> can anyone tell me why there are two new terminal applications under "system tools"?
[07:15] <tale_> they seem redundant
[07:16] <Eq|work> shirish : it work after doing that?
[07:16] <cr1ss> tatters : is there any way I can disable this function ? because, it gets a little bit annoying listening to this..
[07:16] <Eq|work> tale_ : xterm and unicode-xterm
[07:16] <IdleOne> tale_: they are different GUI's from what I can tell
[07:17] <shirish> Eq|work: actually doing a bunch of updates, then will go to GNOME & see what happens.
[07:17] <Eq|work> shirish : cool
[07:17] <Eq|work> think it's about time to head home..
[07:17] <MenZa> Hey; can anyone tell me how I can configure XScreensaver in Gutsy?
[07:18] <tatters> only fix I know involves duct tape and small hammer
[07:18] <tale_> Eq|work, IdleOne, but why include them in addition to gnome-terminal?  I thought the goal of Ubuntu was to pick a good choice and remove redundant apps.
[07:18] <tale_> at least for the base install
[07:19] <Eq|work> tale_ : failsafe
[07:19] <Eq|work> xterm is on pretty much every distro
[07:19] <Eq|work> for the simple reason that if x is in failsafe mode, that's what is started
[07:19] <Eq|work> if you do startx, it's xterm that gets started
[07:20] <tale_> so it's for the bulletproof X updates?
[07:21] <Eq|work> no
[07:21] <MenZa> meh; I figured it out: xscreensaver-demo
[07:21] <Eq|work> it's so that no matter how you start x, you'll always have access to a terminal
[07:21] <tale_> it's installed on my feisty install by default.  I guess the only thing new is the addition of the links in the menu
[07:27] <Instabin|work> I would like to create a deb for the nvidia restricted 100.14.11 driver.... Could someone tell me where to learn how
[07:34] <shirish> anybody knows stuff about keyboard-applet
[07:35] <shirish> in GNOME I get this error about something to do with keyboard indicator applet "OAFIID: GNOME_Keyboard applet" Do you want to delete this applet from your configuration?
[07:35] <tale_> Instabin|work, check out a package called envy
[07:35] <tale_> it creates a debian package of the nvidia restricted drivers
[07:35] <tale_> you can look at the source if you still want to do it
[07:40] <shirish> tale_: do you know the package which is responsible for keyboard indicator in GNOME?
[07:40] <shirish> tale_:  modify the query to keyboard language indicator in GNOME panel in GNOME?
[07:42] <tale_> shirish, I'm not sure.  Sorry
[07:43] <shirish> tale_: no issues, thank you
[07:45] <NSCAD_Nathan> what is up with Samba?  I never had a problem setting it up in Feisty... Now I can't even get a directory listing from my host
[07:45] <shirish> NSCAD_Nathan: have you updated/upgraded all the updates, even the full-upgrade/dist-upgrade ones, for there was a new release in samba about a day back
[07:46] <NSCAD_Nathan> I thought I did... lemmie double check
[07:49] <shirish> NSCAD_Nathan: do the double check, if you did & still samba is not showing any stuff, there are only 2 possibilities, 1. either something has changed in the configuration stuff (rare although could happen), or 2. its some bug, more common occurrence but often under-reported. See if any bugs have been filed to whatever is happening at your end, if there have been similar bugs, then post whatever was asked of them in those bugs, while filing your bug.
[07:49] <NSCAD_Nathan> okie, thanks
[07:50] <NSCAD_Nathan> I know I was having issues at home as well, and I ended up unistalling, deleting config files, reinstalling and it worked - despite me doing the same set up routine
[07:50] <tale_> I'm new to tracker.  I have my indexing preferences set to index evolution.  However, it doesn't return any results.  Is that because it won't index imap accounts?
[07:50] <NSCAD_Nathan> I tried that here, but no joy
[07:50] <tale_> btw, indexing is complete
[07:51] <shirish> tale_: have you configured tracker, there are some config stuff you can play with, although no idea about imap accounts stuff
[07:52] <shirish> tale_: put tracker-preferences in CLI to access the GUI way
[07:54] <tale_> shirish, yeah, I've enabled evolution indexing.  I don't see any other options in the track config file
[07:56] <shirish> tale_: about the other options, seems to be a bug, filing it as we speak, would give the bug no. as its done
[07:57] <tale_> cool
[07:58] <Marco> How unstable is gutsy at this point?
[07:59] <Marco> more or less broken than debian unstable?
[08:01] <shirish> tale_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker/+bug/132246 although the bug I have put up describes things a little differently.
[08:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132246 in tracker "tracker-preferences e-mail indexing in Evolution is inadequate" [Undecided,New] 
[08:01] <shirish> Marco: depends, mine is broken in parts, but i still get to enjoy whatever i need to/want to most of the time ;)
[08:04] <nosrednaekim> Marco: no big bugs for me here on kubuntu, and it fixed my sound and wireless and gave me 30 minutes more battery life.
[08:04] <nosrednaekim> so i'm VERY happy
[08:04] <Marco> hmm
[08:05] <Marco> where's the upgrade guide?
[08:05] <shirish> ubotu upgrade | Marco
[08:05] <ubotu> Marco: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:05] <pvandewyngaerde> i cantt acces the partition ediitor on kubuntu
[08:06] <Instabin|work> does kubuntu 7.10 have kde 4.0?
[08:06] <pvandewyngaerde> beta 1
[08:07] <Marco> kde4 beta 1 is sadly not beta quality
[08:07] <Instabin|work> How do you like it
[08:07] <pvandewyngaerde> depends on how you define beta
[08:07] <nosrednaekim> its very unstable and unfinished
[08:07] <Marco> it has potential
[08:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah, its definately going to be great when its finished
[08:07] <Marco> pvandewyngaerde, usually beta software is usable but you just have to put up with some major bugs
[08:07] <Marco> I'd venture to say that kde4 is not usable
[08:07] <pvandewyngaerde> that is the google definition of beta
[08:07] <nosrednaekim> KDE4 isn't even what I would call "usable"
[08:07] <Instabin|work> I have used gnome sincie it used sawfish as a window manager
[08:08] <tale_> shirish, thanks
[08:08] <Marco> Instabin|work, it's perfectly fine if you want to toy around with it
[08:08] <Marco> but don't expect to use it as your primary environment
[08:09] <Instabin|work> i can install kde on reg ubuntu 7.10 by type apt-get kde-desktop right?
[08:09] <Marco> shirish, btw, that page doesn't cover upgrades to gutsy
[08:10] <shirish> ubotu gutsy | Marco
[08:10] <ubotu> Marco: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[08:10] <shirish> drats, they moved the entry I guess
[08:10] <Marco> heh
[08:13] <shirish> Marco: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
[08:13] <Marco> thanks
[08:14] <shirish> Marco: there is also another thread at ubuntuforums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=501893 which you can take a look/browse through , you might find some better ways to update/upgrade.
[08:17] <Marco> shirish, for some reason, update-manager -d doesn't do the trick
[08:22] <databuddy> is everyone else getting the firefox instabilities?
[08:23] <nosrednaekim> databuddy: no problems here
[08:23] <nosrednaekim> doesn't mean its not a bug tho ;)
[08:23] <shirish> Marco: did you upgrade update-manager from feisty-proposed? You need to enable feisty-proposed & then upgrade that.
[08:24] <Marco> shirish,
[08:24] <Marco> # update-manager -c -d
[08:24] <Marco> warning: could not initiate dbus
[08:24] <Marco> current dist not found in meta-release file
[08:27] <databuddy> gah
[08:28] <databuddy> apparently i cant bookmark things now
[08:29] <Instabin|work> installing kde on ubuntu now
[08:30] <darkstar61> databuddy: mine is working fine (can bookmark) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070810 Ubuntu/7.10 (gutsy) Firefox/2.0.0.6
[08:31] <genii> databuddy: my bookmarking works. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20061201 Firefox/2.0.0.6 (Ubuntu-feisty)
[08:31] <geser> Marco: are you affected by bug #129392?
[08:31] <databuddy> quite nice then lol
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129392 in update-manager ""update-manager -d" in Feisty presents no option to upgrade to Gutsy" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129392
[08:31] <databuddy> for me gutsy 7.10 ubuntu 64bit
[08:31] <genii> Ah, forgot I'm on feisty box atm LOL
[08:31] <databuddy> lol
[08:31] <databuddy> works fine in feisty :>
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> :)
[08:32] <Instabin|work> I want ubuntu on my xbox360
[08:32] <databuddy> with some updates from last week i get to play with compiz-fusion too :)
[08:32] <genii> But didn't notice any issues last night on gutsy, 2.0.0.6 ff
[08:32] <databuddy> Instabin|work: last i heard no audio on xbox linux
[08:32] <Marco> geser, yes
[08:32] <genii> and i did bookmark some stuff as well
[08:32] <databuddy> ah and xmms wont open again
[08:33] <databuddy> owell they fixed it last time in a couple days imsure itl be decent again this time ^^
[08:37] <nosrednaekim> OK... thats annoying... the synaptic bug with package download scripts has STILL not been fixed!
[08:38] <mplayer> hey nosrednaekim
[08:38] <mplayer> at least when we finish alpha/beta testing gutsy we get to keep it
[08:38] <mplayer> and we can upgrade from it
[08:38] <mplayer> unlike vista ~_____~
[08:38] <nosrednaekim> haha
[08:39] <mplayer> now that was a worthless beta lemme tell ya
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> yeah. but this was broken in fiesty and there is a legnthy bug report!
[08:40] <pimp31415> hm
[08:41] <voidmage> has anyone packaged wine .43 yet?
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> and its a simple fix too i'm sure.
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> just a space needed.
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> in fact, I found where the problem was in the source.
[08:42] <necronekostar> then bug the maintainer of the package and tell to put a space there lol
[08:42] <necronekostar> oik i gotta find a job today or im screwed so i'll prolly c u later :P
[08:42] <nosrednaekim> :)
[08:43] <JosefK> has anyone else noticed today's daily amd64 alternate build doesn't have an installable kernel?
[08:53] <Nicke> voidmage: I see it in the repository I use atleast (the one linked from winehq.com, for amd64)
[09:03] <turbooster> Hi! I wanna update my feisty to latest gutsy build but can't find the How-to page (that I saw once).
[09:04] <turbooster> I don't wanna burn it on CD I wanna download on a "running machine" btw
[09:12] <turbooster> Any ideas?
[09:13] <nemik> turbooster: do you like things not working and endless debuggin?
[09:13] <turbooster> wanna try, yes
[09:13] <nemik> then just replace everything that says feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:14] <turbooster> doews this update to the tribe4-release or to the brand newstuff
[09:15] <nemik> brand-new
[09:15] <nemik> for tribe4 i think you should just install it all over from the cd
[09:15] <nemik> but there's no point really because you'll need the new stuff anyway, it gets updates a few times a day even
[09:16] <turbooster> Can I use the Feisty CD to install a second feisty for safeties sake?
[09:17] <turbooster> to be precise: How do I do it?
[09:23] <nemik> no, just do all this on a new partition
[09:23] <turbooster> thanks a lot nemik!
[09:25] <nemik> good luck, seriously
[10:01] <JosefK> does ubiquity drop a log anywhere by default?
[10:03] <voidmage> Nicke: the feisty packages work?
[10:05] <Nicke> voidmage: Oh.. my bad, didn't realize it was in this channel.. sorry for that
[10:05] <Nicke> I think the chances that it will work are pretty high though, but I haven't tested it
[10:05] <voidmage> usually someone packages wine up to pretty close to release
[10:06] <voidmage> then the budgetdedicated repo opens some time around release
[10:09] <Nicke> voidmage: Seems we may get wine for amd64 in gutsy's repos:
[10:09] <Nicke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wine/+bug/43324
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43324 in wine "There is no 64 bit package available." [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[10:10] <Nicke> (scroll down to the last few posts)
[10:10] <voidmage> i run 32 bit
[10:10] <Nicke> oh.. okey
[10:10] <Nicke> ah, and that was just 0.42.. I see
[10:27] <pawalls> Has anyone else had regressions w/ 30" monitors on Gutsy? Same exact X config as Feisty (using nvidia drivers). Tried manually setting modelines, but won't go higher than 1280x800.
[10:50] <DanaG> Argh, whenever I hit my delete key, I merely get a dialog from an unspecified app, saying "Text was empty (or contained only whitespace)".
[10:55] <voidmage> DanaG: do you have any way to identify that?
[11:04] <crackerbox> I know this could be considered a general question... but i cant seem an answer on the forums and appearently i know as much as the active people in the normal channel at the moment, so i will ask here, and hope that i am not taken into the perverbial street and beaten... Is there a way to install a USB printer without having it actually connected to the PC.  I am trying to setup a replacement system that I will ship to my grandparent
[11:16] <keram`> kylem, has that sound problem been fixed yet?
[11:17] <DanaG> Argh, whenever I hit my delete key, I get a paste dialog.
[11:18] <DanaG> I mean, I get this in a nameless dialog:
[11:18] <keram`> thats some wack stuff
[11:18] <DanaG> Text was empty (or contained only whitespace)
[11:18] <keram`> when you press the delete key anywhere?
[11:18] <keram`> even in the irc window?
[11:20] <DanaG> Yup.
[11:20] <DanaG> Even in terminal, or on desktop.
[11:20] <DanaG> Also, if I do xwininfo -a, it shows that the parent is the root window.
[11:24] <keram`> no idea :/
[11:48] <robtaylor> so.. can anyone tell me why gutsy needs so much space in /boot? I have a boot partition and a large lvm partion (probably from breezy or suchlike), so I can't even resize /boot :/
[11:49] <crimsun> 19M     /boot
[11:49] <crimsun> doesn't seem terribly "so much space" to me, but I'm not in a space-constrained system.
[11:49] <robtaylor> crimsun: update manager bug, i suspect
[11:50] <robtaylor> "The upgrade needs a total of 262144000 free space on disk /boot"
[11:51] <robtaylor> 262M, thats a bit wtf territory for /boot
[12:04] <robtaylor> ah, figured it now
[12:05] <robtaylor> cos i''ve got too many old images installed, and it plans on reinstalling them, or somesuch
[12:12] <DanaG> I've always wondered why people use 'cos' for 'because'.  I see 'cos' and think 'cosine'.  "  'cuz " seems more like 'because' to me.
[12:24] <robtaylor> DanaG: cos its pronounced becos?
[12:24] <robtaylor> =)
[12:29] <TheInfinity> jussi01: because OOo is standard and atm ODF is not full compatible :/