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bddebianThis bzr shit is going to push me over the edge01:21
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AndyPbddebian: hang in there, you can do it01:22
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bddebianHeya AndyP01:22
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AndyPello bddebian, how're things?01:23
Toadstooloh bddebian, you here!01:23
bddebianUh oh01:24
Toadstoolhow have you been doing?01:24
bddebianAndyP: OK thanks, you?01:24
bddebianToadstool: Getting back to normal thanks. You?01:24
Toadstooltrying to get back to normal01:24
Toadstoolnot much success so far01:24
AndyPbddebian: not too shabby01:24
bddebianToadstool: Heh, I hear that01:25
bddebianSo now we have to check every package to see if it's maintained in bzr before making any changes??01:28
Toadstooler screw that, I hate the new all-in-bzr frenzy :/01:30
bddebianAmen brother01:31
jmgis this as a result of no-source-packages?01:33
jmgdoesnt that raise the barrier of entry for importing into debian?01:33
jmgis there no compatability layer?01:33
jmgwill apt-get source still work?01:33
jmgwill somebody please think of the children????01:33
jmgwhat kind of smartie pants came up with this anyway?01:34
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ajmitchgeser: that's an evil version number01:43
ajmitch haskell-http (30000000-1build1) gutsy; urgency=low01:44
Fujitsu!info haskell-http sid01:44
ubotuPackage haskell-http does not exist in sid01:44
FujitsuBah, stupid lack of sources.01:45
Fujitsu!info haskell-http-doc sid01:45
ubotuhaskell-http-doc: Haskell HTTP client library documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 30000000-1 (sid), package size 24 kB, installed size 276 kB01:45
StevenKWhat, the Maintainer is *trying* to annoy people?01:46
FujitsuStevenK: Probably.01:47
jmgunfortunately that version appears to be valid albeit with some superfluous zeroes01:47
FujitsuThe versions have all been dates before.01:48
FujitsuDid we hit the year 3000 without me noticing?01:48
NafalloFujitsu: yes02:05
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RAOFWhere are debian packages after they're accepted but before they're published?02:33
bashelierRAOF: in the ftp master queue02:34
StevenKRAOF: http://inncoming.debian.org/02:34
StevenKincoming, sigh02:34
RAOFHeh.  Thanks.02:34
RAOFMan, people *really want* the new deluge version :/02:34
StevenKEnough to pull it from incoming?02:35
bddebianIsn't there a bzr branch yet?02:36
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RAOFRather than reject the incorrect sync bug, I'll just fix it up and attach a debdiff.02:36
RAOFAh, Ok.  I won't unsubscribe u-u-s, then :)02:39
AndyPbddebian: so what's this about checking if bzr branches exist? i have a feeling i missed something02:41
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bddebianI was chastised for the gnash stuff because it is in bzr apparently02:49
AndyPbddebian: oh ok, i thought we were meant to be using XS-Vcs-Bzr or something for that02:51
bddebianWe are apparently but that is what I am saying02:52
AndyPgotcha :)02:52
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bddebianSo now I have to check every package that I apply a patch to to see if it has that bullshit?02:52
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AndyPi guess so :/02:54
bddebianAm I now also responsible for getting that patch in the bzr branch?02:55
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RAOFbddebian: It'd be nice, I believe.02:57
RAOFIf you're on gutsy, apt-get source will warn you if the source package is maintained in an RCS.02:57
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bddebianGood, I'll know to ignore those then02:59
ScottKRAOF: I believe that change was reverted.03:00
ScottKNow it's just supposed to give you a notice.03:00
bddebianOh, ScottK03:00
bddebianI had a question for you now I can't remember which package.  libmetakit maybe?03:00
ScottKSome old curmudgeon who doesn't understand how inherently wonderful this vcs stuff is whined aboutit.03:01
ScottKbddebian: Probably either not that package or it's StevenK you're thinking of.03:01
jmgScottK: you're a curmudgeon03:01
ScottKAnd bitter too.03:01
bddebianScottK: It was a merge you did and there's a new version.. Grr03:02
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bddebianOh screenkast?03:02
jmgshouldnt apt-get source pull the latest version?03:02
bddebianIt "should"03:02
ScottKjmg: From the repository, yes.03:02
ScottKNot from some semi random other place on the internet.03:03
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mruizhi all. I have a package ready for review (is an upgrade). Which packages must I upload to my server? (while REVU is offline)03:04
jmgthat would be the source package03:04
ScottKmruiz: tarball, diff.gz, and .dsc are sufficient.03:04
jmgis LP getting some revu-a-lie function?03:04
Nafallo*s* vim :-)03:04
mruizthanks ScottK03:05
jmgah, PPA?03:05
Nafallomruiz: also upload orig.tar.gz to make things easier.03:05
bddebianOh it was screenkast but that's StevenK too03:05
ScottKThat lets you build stuff, but doesn't have the commenting stuff the REVU has.03:05
jmgi built elisa 0.3 last night03:05
jmgand pigment03:05
ScottKbddebian: I don't think screenKast is me.03:05
bddebianStevenK: You still aboot?03:06
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StevenKbddebian: aboot got removed. :-P03:06
StevenKbddebian: What's up?03:07
bddebianStevenK: No, screenkast needs another merge.  Do you know if your changes need to stay?03:07
StevenKbddebian: I'd need to check. Do you mind holding off for about 30 minutes while I sort out what I'm in the middle of?03:07
bddebianOf course not, thanks03:08
RAOFHm.  Why has sbuild stopped sending me buildlogs by mail?03:10
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RAOFIt was working fine until yesterday, now it's stopped.03:11
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ScottKSo if a package (source and binary) has been removed from Gutsy, but it still shows a queued build for lpia (status Needs Building) is that something I should mention to an archive admin?03:12
johanbr__RAOF: Maybe mail doesn't get delivered on weekends where you live? :)03:12
RAOFjohanbr__: Or maybe gmail has suddenly decided to classify those buildlogs as spam :(03:13
StevenKScottK: No, lpia is getting slowly sorted out by infinity.03:13
ScottKOK.  Thanks.03:13
StevenKScottK: You could mention it to him, but I doubt he'd do anything.03:13
ScottKWhen I kill stuff off, I just want to make sure I've got it completely dead.03:14
ScottKI guess even if it got built, it'd just get nds'ed eventually anyway.03:14
ajmitchgood afternoon03:16
bddebianHmm, I wonder if freemind would build with gcj03:16
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:16
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bddebianHmm, well freemind builds with gcj but I don't know if it works03:37
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ScottKbddebian: Building is progress.04:47
bddebianScottK: Nice delayed response.. :-)04:47
bddebianOh and StevenK obviously forgot about me ;-P04:47
ScottKWell it's easier to type responses when I'm actually sitting here.04:48
ajmitchbddebian: you should be fixing stuff, not worrying about people forgetting you04:49
bddebianajmitch: I'm trying04:49
bddebianajmitch: Wanna REVU something for me to fix a bug? :-)04:49
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bddebianpfft, work, schmurk04:50
ScottKIt's probably php.  It's not like anyone actually expects php code to do anything useful...04:50
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bddebianDamn, to upload or not to upload...04:59
bddebianScottK: You have time to look at a package quick?04:59
ScottKAn entire package, no, but if there's something specific....05:00
bddebianNew upstream of xmlrpc-c05:00
ScottKSound scary.  Two entire scary three letter acryonyms in 6 letters of packagename.05:01
ScottKNew upstream you can upload yourself anyway.  It doesn't need an ack.05:03
bddebianIt's not my packaging.  It's too clean to be mine. ;-P05:03
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ScottKOK.  Then advocate it and upload it.05:03
bddebianOK, when I get bitched at I'm telling them you told me too ;-P05:04
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ScottKHey, I just work here.05:05
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StevenKbddebian: Didn't forget, had to leave where I was, sorry.05:11
bddebianStevenK: NP, I'm just giving you a hard time.  I have a bad tendency to do that05:12
mruizbye all05:13
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DarkSun88Good Morning09:20
DarkSun88Hi Andrew09:21
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pschulz01Greetings.. I'm trying to install the package 'scsh'.. it installs on i386, but not in 64bit.. apt-cache search scsh on my 64bit laptop shows scsh-06 package is missing which scsh depends on.09:48
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pschulz01Hmm.. getting segfault when I try to build scsh09:56
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rulusIs this the right channel to ask about how to make deb packages?10:02
pschulz01rulus: You can ask :-)10:02
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rulusah, well, I have a bzr branch with a Python application. Is there a guide somewhere to tell me how to make a .deb package out of it?10:03
pschulz01rulus: Um.. I'm struggling with something similar. I have managed to make some progress, but I don;t know if it's the correct way to do stuff.. hopefully someone else here will know more.. otherwise I can give you some hints.10:04
pschulz01Install the 'debhelper' package.10:06
pschulz01rulus: Have a look at the 'dh_make' script..10:06
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norsettomorning all10:38
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marcin_anthi guys11:12
marcin_antI got a question - how is it possible that product that is not free for commercial usage is available as package in universe?11:12
marcin_antand there is no word in package description that it's downloading for commercial usage is restricted? The package is: dansguardian11:13
gesergood question11:18
norsettothe license in the tarball is GPL, so, where is it specified that this is not free for commercial usage?11:23
geseron the homepage11:23
norsettoand why should we care about the homepage?11:24
norsettoImean, if they package the tarball with GPL (also in the README)11:24
geserI couldn't find this restriction in the tarball on Ubuntu archive and neither in the last beta tarball11:25
norsettoexactly ....11:25
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gesersee also the last question on this page11:27
geserso it's ok to be in universe11:27
norsettoI checked some headers, they are all GPL11:27
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\shhe has to dua-license it, like qt11:52
ogra\sh, why, he has given it a licence when he rolled the tarball ... no matter what else he writes on any webpages11:54
ograif he wants to restict usage he can relicense the source ... but until that happens its GPL software11:55
\shogra: yepp...that's what I mean11:55
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marcin_antpretty confusing...11:57
marcin_antespecially if you need to be sure if it's safe to use in company11:57
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Riddellis https://launchpad.net/~motu-uvf/+members up to date?12:37
Riddellno, doesn't seem so12:38
geserdholbach is on holiday12:42
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Riddellgeser: any idea when to?  it isn't mentioned in canonical's internal calendar12:44
geserhis blog mentions he'll be back on Aug 20th12:44
Riddellhmm, so the team won't be updated in time12:46
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\shRiddell: no second general at hand? ;)01:01
Riddellnot for that team01:03
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\shwell, SPoF then ... can happen needs to be fixed01:05
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Riddellgroovy, I 0wned the team01:19
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\shjust installed tribe4 from gutsy...nice to see aixgl is enabled by default :)01:57
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pygiasac, ok, it doesn't02:08
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pygi(that was supposed to be in -devel :P)02:09
Kmos 2.1.8-release-102:11
Kmosif I want to modify this one, what's the name for ubuntu ?02:12
Kmos2.1.8-release-1ubuntu1 ?02:12
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asacKmos: yes02:17
Kmosasac: thanks02:17
geserRAOF: about your deluge-torrent merge: what's the reason to build it only for python2.5 and not python2.4 and python2.5?02:20
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zulhey Hobbsee02:25
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geserHi Hobbsee02:26
pygio no, it's Hobbsee :)02:29
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ScottKGood morning all.02:30
ScottKnorsetto: I'm here if you want to discuss.02:30
Hobbseeit is.  hear me roar!02:30
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norsettoScottK: Hi02:41
ScottKTo answer your question, I don't remember about lintian warnings.02:41
ScottKThe upload I did I was fixing a bug and so just focused on making it work.02:42
norsettoScottK: ok, so what can we do beside alerting the debian devel? Should we fix those ourselves? Can the package be uploaded?02:42
ScottKWould you pastebin me the warnings?02:43
norsettoScottK: sure; I worked some of them out mysef, just for fun02:43
ScottKWell if you worked some out, I'd go ahead and include that resolution in the upload.02:44
norsettoScottK: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3f0b716602:45
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ScottKnorsetto: Are those the ones you have not fixed yet?02:47
norsettoScottK: no, these are all the original ones02:47
norsettoScottK: I worked out the easy ones ;-)02:48
ScottKOK.  Which of those did you come up with resolutions for?02:48
ScottKYou and I may have different definitions of easy.02:48
norsettoScottK: Yes, easy for me of course ...missing-debconf-dependency-for-preinst02:49
norsettoScottK:  The font /usr/share/poker-network/poker2d/fonts/FreeSerif.ttf in package ttf-freefont is considered to be a duplicate02:49
norsettoFile /usr/lib/pkgconfig/poker-network.pc contained in /usr/lib of Architecture: all package02:50
norsettoScottK: postinst/postrm-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig seems to be debhelper related02:51
ScottKI'd expect it is.02:51
ScottKSince the call is described as useless, I expect it's not particulalry harmful.02:52
norsettoScottK: postinst-uses-db-input is perhaps a  candidate for override; I actually don't understand the logic behind it (its a server reset)02:52
norsettoScottK: And then the .la files I don't really know what to do02:53
ScottKThat and the preinst debconf call are ones I wouldn't touch without a dialogue with the Debian maintainer.02:53
norsettoScottK: agree02:53
ScottKI don't either.  I wonder if they even actually get used (if they lack path information, I'd expect it's either hard wired in somewhere else or they aren't used).02:54
pschulz01What happens if a package doesn't build for a particular archtecture?02:54
ScottKI'd say go with what you've fixed and mail the Debian maintainer about the others.02:55
ScottKnorsetto: There's also a request for a Feisty SRU for that package.  Interested?02:55
norsettoScottK: already emailed him; still waiting for feedback02:55
ScottKnorsetto: Great.02:55
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ScottKpschulz01: Not sure what you mean?02:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 62293 in scsh-0.6 "Depends: scsh-0.6  but it is not installable - se.archive.ubuntu.com seems broken." [Undecided,Incomplete] 02:56
pschulz01ScottK: The 64bit package doesn;t build02:56
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ScottKOK.  Then what happens is you have no binary for that arch.02:56
xxxxx1mornin' people02:56
ScottKMorning xxxxx1.02:56
ScottKpschulz01: Whoever uploaded the package should try to fix it.02:57
pschulz01ScottK: The bug has been labeled against the 'Ubuntu Mirror Admin' but I don't think that's right.02:57
ScottKpschulz01: What bug?02:57
pschulz01ScottK: I was able to build it on all the arch I have (i386,powerp) except for x36_64.02:57
pschulz01ScottK: Bug 6229302:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 62293 in scsh-0.6 "Depends: scsh-0.6  but it is not installable - se.archive.ubuntu.com seems broken." [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6229302:58
white!info emacs gutsy02:59
ubotuemacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 22.1-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB02:59
white!info emacs21 gutsy02:59
ubotuemacs21: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1977 kB, installed size 5928 kB02:59
whitethe security patch is probably included, but someone might want to check02:59
pschulz01ScottK: I don;t think it's a Mirror admin issue... I see the exact same problem though.03:00
ScottKpschulz01: I agree.03:00
ScottKThe IA64 binary if FTBFS for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy.03:00
whitereference debian bug #40892903:00
ubotuDebian bug 408929 in emacs21 "emacs21: crash on spam" [Important,Open]  http://bugs.debian.org/40892903:00
pschulz01ScottK: FTBFS?03:01
ScottKpschulz01: I'd suggest rewrite the bug.03:01
ScottKFail To Build From Source03:01
pschulz01ScottK: :-)03:01
pschulz01ScottK: :-(03:01
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ScottKpschulz01: Then look in Debian and upstream to see if they have any 64 bit fixes.03:01
white!info eggdrop gutsy03:02
ubotueggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 462 kB, installed size 1136 kB03:02
whitesomeone might want to check, if the security patch from the 1.6.18-1.1 version (which is in incoming.debian.org) is included03:02
ScottKnorsetto: You've been looking for stuff to do, so white's suggestion is a good one.  Will you take it?03:03
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ScottKnorsetto: Do you want the Feisty SRU for poker-network?03:03
white!info freeradius gutsy03:04
ubotufreeradius: a high-performance and highly configurable RADIUS server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.6-2 (gutsy), package size 736 kB, installed size 2764 kB03:04
pschulz01ScottK: Bug in Debian... Not portable to 64bit platforms .. 5 years and 353 days old.03:04
norsettoScottK: well, since I 'm doing the gutsy one, I can as well do the SRU for feisty03:05
ScottKWhat does upstream say?03:05
white!info xfce4-terminal gutsy03:05
ubotuxfce4-terminal: Xfce terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.6-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 991 kB, installed size 2964 kB03:05
whitesomeone might want to check xfce4-terminal as well. I am not sure, if the fix is in the 0.2.6-3 version, i did not work on it03:05
whiteI think that's it for today, not much though03:06
norsettowhite: do you remember the ITA for turkey?03:06
whitenorsetto: -v please03:06
ScottKnorsetto: SRU for Bug #95836 assigned to you then.  Remember that for SRU we want the minimally invasive fix.  I just assigned one bug for the SRU, but look at all 3 that I closed.03:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 95836 in poker-network "[apport]  twistd crashed with OperationalError in __init__()" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9583603:06
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siretartRiddell: oh, you kicked me out of UVF?03:07
norsettowhite: a week ago you asked if I could issue an ITA for turkey (orphanesd in Debian since a while); I did fix it for gutsy03:07
whitenorsetto: so you want it?03:08
norsettowhite: well, I sent it out to l.d.o. and the java group 'cause I need a sponsor03:08
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norsettowhite: nobody answered, so I can't do nothing, sorry03:08
whitenorsetto: hmm http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=packages@qa.debian.org does not show me that there is a ITA for that package03:08
whitenorsetto: you need to write a ITA bug against wnpp03:09
norsettowhite: no, I checked for a sponsor before03:09
whitenorsetto: there are 3 rc bugs against the package in debian03:09
whitenorsetto: did you fix them all?03:09
Riddellsiretart: you don't seem to be in the team for this release03:09
norsettowhite: at least 2; but one the fixes might not be welcome in debian03:10
siretartRiddell: I'm not? - well, okay.03:10
whitenorsetto: why is that?03:10
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norsettowhite: 'cause it requires to use the sun jvm, so the package ends up in non-free03:11
Riddellsiretart: new team here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-July/023974.html03:11
whitenorsetto: well i am not totally familiar with java, so i would not sponsor the package atm. But if you end up writing an ITA and mail debian-mentors@l.d.o. with the new packages, then I am sure that you will find a sponsor03:11
whitenorsetto: if you did not end up finding one afterwards, then ping me and i will find one for you03:12
siretartRiddell: ah, must have missed that mail. thanks for the link03:12
norsettowhite: roger03:12
whitenorsetto: thanks03:12
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ScottKnorsetto: You should ping man-di (who is usually here) as he does lots of Java stuff in Debian.03:29
norsettoScottK: thanks, I will03:30
KmosStevenK: bug 13179503:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131795 in dapper-backports "Please backport clamav 0.91.1 from Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13179503:36
Kmosupdates are not working..03:36
ScottKKmos: Can't do it yet.03:37
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ScottKClamav 0.9x changed it's interfaces with other applications and so we have to backport them all at the same time.03:38
ScottKWorking on it.03:38
KmosScottK: ok.. thanks =)03:38
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\shwow...i just read that for the first time03:51
\shCommunity Hosted Servers Compromised03:51
\shThis last week, 5 of the 8 servers that are loco hosted but Canonical sponsored, had to be shut down due to reports that they were actively attacking other machines.03:51
\shhow did that happen?03:51
Nafallo\sh: well. TBH I think there was lack of administration etc...03:55
Nafalloand not up-to-date for security fixes.03:55
ScottK\sh: Where did you read that?03:55
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\shScott: latest uwn03:56
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\shNafallo: lack of administration == are those admins "sysadmins from canonical" or "those community admins from the locos"?03:57
FujitsuDown 74.36% since the market opened a short time ago.03:57
AndyPFujitsu: hehe, i thought it would drop a bit but not that much :)03:58
Nafallo\sh: when I was admin for vistula it was a service provided by the locos. I would think that is still true.03:58
FujitsuDown to $0.4003:58
NafalloFujitsu: nice :-)03:58
Nafallothey screwed up, and now they're paying for it...03:59
\shNafallo: so the loco admins were responsible for the servers03:59
StevenKFujitsu: I wonder why that is. :-P03:59
Nafallo\sh: at least some year ago.03:59
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\shI wonder what the users tell them, when the server is compromized...regarding the user data04:01
FujitsuThe LoCo servers are primarily community maintained at the moment (I'm an admin on mekong).04:01
NafalloI think vistula is still up04:02
NafalloI get ICMP ECHO replies anyway.04:02
Ng\sh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html has more detail, fwiw04:03
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NafalloI think point c is damn valid in this.04:09
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Nafallothat's why I let someone else take over the duty of vistula.04:09
Nafallothat and work.04:09
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FujitsuMekong is all Dapper but the kernel, but that's not very useful.04:11
\shhmm...how can someone change the number of virtual desktops these days?04:11
NafalloFujitsu: I think vistula is the same.04:11
NafalloFujitsu: at least I left it in that stage :-)04:11
Nafallostate even04:12
Kmos\sh: preferences ? with right button on little windows04:12
Nafallo\sh: right click the applet?04:12
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Kmoscan someone look at bug 132179 , it has a debdiff that needs to be uploaded, before remove this package.04:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132179 in workbone "[Remove]  Please remove workbone from Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13217904:13
Fujitsu\sh: Using Compiz Fusion, you mean?04:13
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FujitsuKmos: Erm... why the heck would you upload a fix immediately before removal?04:14
FujitsuThat's clinically insane.04:14
KmosFujitsu: that package will provide and replace workbone in the future04:15
KmosFujitsu: upgrade stuff..04:15
geser\sh: start ccsm again -> General Options -> "Desktop Size" Tab04:16
geser\sh: for a cube I have there: Horizontal Size = 4 ; Vertical Size = 1 ; Num of Desktops = 104:17
\shah...so it's configured with ccsm04:17
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geser\sh: compiz uses gtk-window-decorator which looks like metacity04:20
\shgeser: hmm...I setup 8 desktops04:21
\shah...now I get it04:21
\shit's totally different then from the normal virtual desktop setup04:21
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bddebianHeya gang04:45
\shmoins barry04:47
bddebianHeya \sh, how have you been?04:47
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\shbddebian, well, at least i'm free of doing merges ,-)04:48
pygi\sh, then you have a free pbuilder? :)04:49
geserHi bddebian04:49
bddebianHeya geser04:49
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bddebianStevenK: Thanks for hitting screenkast!05:01
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norsettoScottK: I checked eggdrop and the latest security patch from the 1.6.18-1.1 version is NOT included05:02
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ScottKnorsetto: Get to work then.05:03
norsettoScottK: don't we wait for a merge? OK, will fix it05:04
ScottKnorsetto: If you have -1.1, go ahead and do the merge.05:04
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norsettoScottK: bug 132222 subscribed to u-u-s05:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132222 in eggdrop "Please merge eggdrop (1.6.18-1.1) from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13222205:43
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bddebianUhm, what is wildcard in this code?05:54
bddebianifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" ""05:54
bddebian  cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub05:54
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geserI guess a make function05:55
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geserbddebian: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Wildcard-Function05:56
bddebiandumb :)05:57
bddebianThx geser05:58
AndyPi saw that snippet in fceu's rules file the other day05:58
bddebianfugly :-)05:59
AndyPyeah, they should be using cdbs ;)05:59
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ScottKnorsetto: You've got the attention of the right guy on eggdrop.06:12
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norsettoScottK: :-)06:12
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luisbghow do I uncompress a .deb?06:20
bddebiandpkg-deb -x or something like that06:21
pygidpkg-source -x *.dsc06:21
pygiups, that's for a source06:21
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luisbgpygi, LOL no problem06:22
luisbgwant to give it a second try?06:22
bddebiandpkg-deb -x <deb> <dir>06:22
pygiyup, bddebian is right06:22
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pygibddebian, shhh :)06:23
luisbgthe output directory has a etc and usr folder?06:24
luisbgI was expecting something else06:24
bddebianAre you looking for the source?06:24
simulike "right-click the file an choose Open with Archive Manager"06:25
bddebianpfft gui is for sissy's ;-P06:26
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geserluisbg: what did you expect?06:27
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luisbggeser, I wanted the source06:30
luisbgand I just have the .deb file06:30
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geserthat won't work as the deb doesn't contain the source code06:33
luisbgI redid most of what I had done06:36
luisbgthanks geser =)06:36
pygiapt-get source blablabla06:39
pygiah, /me didn't read again xD06:39
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Ngsiretart: ping06:48
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siretartNg: sorry, I'm about to leave ;)06:50
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Ngsiretart: ok, never mind06:51
Ngsiretart: is there anyone else I can pester about revu?06:52
siretartNg: maybe sistpoty, ajmitch, raphink, choose one :)06:52
ScottKNg: It's down for sometime.06:52
ScottKPestering won't help.06:52
NgScottK: I don't want to use it, I want to talk to someone about how it works. I'm a Canonical Sysadmin working on the machines that the down loco services will be using :)06:53
Ngnp :)06:54
siretartNg: can we chat tomorrow about it?06:54
Ngsiretart: certainly, thanks06:54
siretartNg: basically, it is a 'mod-python' application06:54
ScottKHe's probably sleeping now, but IIRC StevenK would be another one.06:54
siretartNg: and it needs postgres06:54
Ngsiretart: ok, that's cool06:54
HobbseeScottK: he's also sleeping too06:54
geserNg: so it depends on you when revu will be up again?06:54
siretartNg: it is deployed via bzr06:54
HobbseeScottK: it's 3am here, remember?06:55
Nggeser: not just me, but yes06:55
siretartNg: feel free to write me an email with further questions, I'll answer them tonight or tomorrow morning, okay?06:55
Ngsiretart: that's great, thanks very much06:55
geserHobbsee: if you're still awake, then it can't be late/early :)06:56
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Hobbseegeser: oh yes it can be.06:56
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norsettokeescook: ok, debdiff u-u is uploaded :-)07:07
keescooknorsetto: cool, thanks!07:07
norsettokeescook: nog een vraag .... sprekt u nederlands?07:08
keescooknorsetto: I only know how to swear.  ;)07:08
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geserkeescook: that's enough ;)07:12
keescookgeser: hehe07:12
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norsettoScottK: little problem about the SRU; the feisty libray is too old, we need to backport it too07:32
ScottKWhat do you mean?07:32
norsettoScottK: it requires >1.0.22 and we only have 1.0.20 in feisty07:33
ScottKAh.  Well then we need to figure out if there's a subset we can use for the SRU then.07:33
norsettoScottK: its not just a question of dependancy; its hardcoded in the config07:33
norsettoScoTTK: sorry, forgot to mention which library; its python-poker-engine07:35
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ScottKWell then is it something broken in python-poker-engine that we need to SRU for too?07:36
norsettome always forget the little details07:36
norsettoScottK: In debian they have 1.0.19 or 1.025; in gutsy its 1.0.25; guess that would fix some bugs too.....07:37
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norsettoScottK: its the only one by the way, all the rest seems to be fine07:39
ScottKWell we really can't SRU a new library, so we need to figure a finer grained solution.07:40
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norsettoScottK: are u also looking at the changelog? Its depressing ....07:43
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cbx33ping imbrandon07:58
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_MMA_cbx33: good luck with that. Ive been poking for about 5 days now. :(08:00
cbx33try about 4 weeks08:00
affluxcorrect me if I'm wrong but packages in debian depending on inet-superserver need to work with inetutils-inetd, openbsd-inetd and rlinetd. In ubuntu inet-superserver is also provided by xinetd. What to do with packages that use update-inetd which works for the three inet-superserver packages in debian but not xinetd?08:02
affluxChange the dependency to netkit-inetd | rlinetd?08:02
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geserafflux: have you read the discussion on the debian-devel ML?08:10
DarkSun88geser: Thanks for upload. :)08:10
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affluxgeser: I don't think so.08:11
geserDarkSun88: thank you for noticing that it's a merge now and providing the debdiff08:11
zulFujitsu: ping08:12
DarkSun88geser: No problem. :)08:12
geserafflux: IIRC the result was that nothing should depend on update-inetd directly (only the inetservers using it) and package should depend on the inet-superserver virtual package08:12
geserafflux: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg01013.html ff.08:13
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affluxgeser: yes, the problem is, the package I have to merge doesn't depend on update-inetd, but it uses it in the postinst/postrm files. But it depends on inet-superserver (which is in ubuntu provided by xinetd, which doesn't support update-inetd)08:14
affluxah, wait, i'll read it ;)08:14
geserafflux: does caling update-inetd something usefull when xinted is installed?08:15
affluxno, since xinetd doesn't contain an own implementation of update-inetd and the update-inetd package doesn't work for xinetd.08:16
afflux(different config files and different format)08:17
geserI'd suggest to call update-inetd only when it's available and install a config snippet for xinetd08:17
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geserthat seems to be the most sane solution now08:18
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cbx33hey pygi08:34
pygicbx33, omg, you are alive!08:35
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cbx33howz it going08:36
cbx33you should know I'm alive as i've been blogging alot08:36
pygicbx33, not so well08:36
pygicbx33, well, no time to read stuff :(08:36
cbx33oh what's up?08:36
affluxgeser: I see another problem coming up here. If someone has xinetd and another inetd, that uses /etc/inetd.conf, installed, and the package installs an xinetd snippet and installs itself to inetd.conf, we would have a conflict there. Suggestions?08:37
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affluxgeser: one possibility would be to set the xinetd snippet to disabled and warn the user on installing the package that he could need to enable it.08:39
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geserafflux: looking at the other inet-superserver packages: they conflict with inet-superserver so that only one inet-superserver should be installed08:41
geserbut xinetd is missing that conflict08:41
gesershould perhaps xinetd and openbsd-inetd add a conflict to inet-superserver? that way only one inet-superserver can be installed at a time08:43
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affluxgeser: sounds sane.08:44
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Skiessiis there/shouldn't there be a list in the wiki about the stuff wanted to Universe?09:11
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DktrKranzSkiessi, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO is not sufficient?09:11
jrib!packaging | Skiessi09:20
ubotuSkiessi: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports09:20
jribSkiessi: the wiki page method was replaced, now people should file 'needs-packaging' bugs09:20
jribhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New links to the old page I think09:21
Skiessiwhat if the tar-file already contains the files in debian-folder?09:22
Skiessido I have to edit them?09:23
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bddebianSo if a package is maintained in Debian in svn is it still OK for us to add fixes?10:07
ScottKDebian SVN has nothing to do with Ubuntu.10:09
bddebianWell I don't want to get bitched at again.  I'm thinking I just avoid it :)10:09
ScottKbddebian: If the svn happens to be the Debian Python Modules Team one, let me know and I'll put the fix in there too.10:09
ScottKNah.  Go for it.10:09
bddebianJust adding a .desktop to openttd10:11
ScottKShouldn't be a problem.10:13
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ajmitchNg: if you're still alive, I'm here now :)10:20
bddebianHeya ajmitch10:21
vilhi ScottK, I have just read your announcement of zekr10:25
vilI gave a few comments on that to Mohammad10:26
vilpls, where can I see the latest version?10:27
vilrevu is off currently10:27
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ScottKExcept for a couple of minor nits (nothing to do with Java), http://www.kitterman.com/test/zekr_0.5.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc is it.10:27
ScottKAll of the REVU comments had, I think, been resolved befor REVU took a break.10:28
vilScottK, well how can I DL rest of it?10:30
vilbesides .dsc10:30
ScottKdget -x http://www.kitterman.com/test/zekr_0.5.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc10:30
vilexcellent, thanks again10:31
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vilScottK, all my comments fixed :)10:35
vilnice job10:35
ScottKvil: Great.10:36
ScottKGlad to hear it.10:36
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vilScottK, the last point I was suggesting is that it sets the menu language inside the app instead of using locales settings10:40
vilbut that is upstream issue10:40
ScottKYes.  Persia had the same comment.10:40
ScottKWe got it to packaged correctly and minimaly works.10:41
ScottKWhich is as far as our gatekeeper role extends IMO.10:41
vilinterresting that you covered all my ideas :) nothing left10:42
ScottKman-di_ reviewed it for Java stuff, so much credit goes to him.10:42
ScottKAll I know about Java is when someone says Java, I run.10:43
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villooking forward man-di_ being the MOTU10:45
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ajmitchsigh, 30 mounts since last fsck10:45
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ajmitchnvidia drivers killed my desktop this morning as well10:46
calcyipee i'll be a core dev tomorrow :)10:49
calcwrt OOo issue we think we have found the offending call and I sent an email to the patches author to have him review it10:50
calcer patch's10:50
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calchopefully the patch's author can fix it quickly, so i can do another upload without breaking font support10:53
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Fujitsuzul: Pong.11:45
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crimsunbddebian: you can't unsub u-a unless you're a member or have LP supapowah.11:47
bddebianFruck..  Stupid freakin' packages11:47
bddebiandh_install -ppython-vipscc11:48
bddebiancp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.4': No such file or directory11:48
bddebiandh_install: command returned error code 25611:48
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jmgbddebian: edit the .install files and make them not suck so much11:49
ajmitchhello crimsun, good to see you still alive11:49
crimsunajmitch: hello11:49
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bddebianjmg: Aye but wtf belongs in there.  He's using pycentral so I'm not sure why that's even in there11:51
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jmgbddebian: chec out the tmp directory and see what's there?11:53
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norsettoScottK: got bad news mate11:56
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RainCTgood night12:05
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