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bddebian | This bzr shit is going to push me over the edge | 01:21 |
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AndyP | bddebian: hang in there, you can do it | 01:22 |
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bddebian | Heya AndyP | 01:22 |
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AndyP | ello bddebian, how're things? | 01:23 |
Toadstool | oh bddebian, you here! | 01:23 |
bddebian | Uh oh | 01:24 |
Toadstool | how have you been doing? | 01:24 |
Toadstool | :) | 01:24 |
bddebian | AndyP: OK thanks, you? | 01:24 |
bddebian | Toadstool: Getting back to normal thanks. You? | 01:24 |
Toadstool | trying to get back to normal | 01:24 |
Toadstool | not much success so far | 01:24 |
AndyP | bddebian: not too shabby | 01:24 |
bddebian | Toadstool: Heh, I hear that | 01:25 |
bddebian | So now we have to check every package to see if it's maintained in bzr before making any changes?? | 01:28 |
Toadstool | er screw that, I hate the new all-in-bzr frenzy :/ | 01:30 |
bddebian | Amen brother | 01:31 |
jmg | eww | 01:32 |
jmg | is this as a result of no-source-packages? | 01:33 |
jmg | doesnt that raise the barrier of entry for importing into debian? | 01:33 |
jmg | is there no compatability layer? | 01:33 |
jmg | will apt-get source still work? | 01:33 |
jmg | will somebody please think of the children???? | 01:33 |
jmg | what kind of smartie pants came up with this anyway? | 01:34 |
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ajmitch | geser: that's an evil version number | 01:43 |
ajmitch | haskell-http (30000000-1build1) gutsy; urgency=low | 01:44 |
jmg | ewwwwwww | 01:44 |
Fujitsu | Ew. | 01:44 |
Fujitsu | !info haskell-http sid | 01:44 |
ubotu | Package haskell-http does not exist in sid | 01:44 |
Fujitsu | Bah, stupid lack of sources. | 01:45 |
Fujitsu | !info haskell-http-doc sid | 01:45 |
ubotu | haskell-http-doc: Haskell HTTP client library documentation. In component main, is optional. Version 30000000-1 (sid), package size 24 kB, installed size 276 kB | 01:45 |
StevenK | What, the Maintainer is *trying* to annoy people? | 01:46 |
jmg | o_O | 01:47 |
Fujitsu | StevenK: Probably. | 01:47 |
jmg | http://hackage.haskell.org/cgi-bin/hackage-scripts/package/HTTP | 01:47 |
jmg | unfortunately that version appears to be valid albeit with some superfluous zeroes | 01:47 |
Fujitsu | The versions have all been dates before. | 01:48 |
Fujitsu | Did we hit the year 3000 without me noticing? | 01:48 |
Nafallo | Fujitsu: yes | 02:05 |
Nafallo | :-P | 02:08 |
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RAOF | Where are debian packages after they're accepted but before they're published? | 02:33 |
bashelier | RAOF: in the ftp master queue | 02:34 |
StevenK | RAOF: http://inncoming.debian.org/ | 02:34 |
StevenK | incoming, sigh | 02:34 |
RAOF | Heh. Thanks. | 02:34 |
RAOF | Man, people *really want* the new deluge version :/ | 02:34 |
StevenK | Enough to pull it from incoming? | 02:35 |
bddebian | Isn't there a bzr branch yet? | 02:36 |
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RAOF | Rather than reject the incorrect sync bug, I'll just fix it up and attach a debdiff. | 02:36 |
RAOF | Ah, Ok. I won't unsubscribe u-u-s, then :) | 02:39 |
AndyP | bddebian: so what's this about checking if bzr branches exist? i have a feeling i missed something | 02:41 |
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bddebian | I was chastised for the gnash stuff because it is in bzr apparently | 02:49 |
AndyP | bddebian: oh ok, i thought we were meant to be using XS-Vcs-Bzr or something for that | 02:51 |
bddebian | We are apparently but that is what I am saying | 02:52 |
AndyP | gotcha :) | 02:52 |
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bddebian | So now I have to check every package that I apply a patch to to see if it has that bullshit? | 02:52 |
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AndyP | i guess so :/ | 02:54 |
bddebian | Am I now also responsible for getting that patch in the bzr branch? | 02:55 |
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RAOF | bddebian: It'd be nice, I believe. | 02:57 |
RAOF | i | 02:57 |
RAOF | If you're on gutsy, apt-get source will warn you if the source package is maintained in an RCS. | 02:57 |
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bddebian | Good, I'll know to ignore those then | 02:59 |
ScottK | RAOF: I believe that change was reverted. | 03:00 |
ScottK | Now it's just supposed to give you a notice. | 03:00 |
bddebian | Oh, ScottK | 03:00 |
bddebian | I had a question for you now I can't remember which package. libmetakit maybe? | 03:00 |
ScottK | Some old curmudgeon who doesn't understand how inherently wonderful this vcs stuff is whined aboutit. | 03:01 |
ScottK | bddebian: Probably either not that package or it's StevenK you're thinking of. | 03:01 |
jmg | ScottK: you're a curmudgeon | 03:01 |
ScottK | And bitter too. | 03:01 |
bddebian | ScottK: It was a merge you did and there's a new version.. Grr | 03:02 |
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ScottK | Hmmm | 03:02 |
bddebian | Oh screenkast? | 03:02 |
jmg | shouldnt apt-get source pull the latest version? | 03:02 |
bddebian | It "should" | 03:02 |
ScottK | jmg: From the repository, yes. | 03:02 |
jmg | ok | 03:02 |
ScottK | Not from some semi random other place on the internet. | 03:03 |
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mruiz | hi all. I have a package ready for review (is an upgrade). Which packages must I upload to my server? (while REVU is offline) | 03:04 |
jmg | that would be the source package | 03:04 |
mruiz | %s/packages/files/g | 03:04 |
ScottK | mruiz: tarball, diff.gz, and .dsc are sufficient. | 03:04 |
jmg | is LP getting some revu-a-lie function? | 03:04 |
Nafallo | *s* vim :-) | 03:04 |
jmg | like* | 03:04 |
mruiz | thanks ScottK | 03:05 |
jmg | ah, PPA? | 03:05 |
Nafallo | mruiz: also upload orig.tar.gz to make things easier. | 03:05 |
bddebian | Oh it was screenkast but that's StevenK too | 03:05 |
StevenK | Hum? | 03:05 |
ScottK | That lets you build stuff, but doesn't have the commenting stuff the REVU has. | 03:05 |
jmg | i built elisa 0.3 last night | 03:05 |
jmg | and pigment | 03:05 |
Nafallo | oooh | 03:05 |
ScottK | bddebian: I don't think screenKast is me. | 03:05 |
Nafallo | kinky | 03:05 |
bddebian | StevenK: You still aboot? | 03:06 |
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bddebian | heh | 03:06 |
StevenK | bddebian: aboot got removed. :-P | 03:06 |
jmg | :( | 03:06 |
bddebian | hehe | 03:06 |
StevenK | bddebian: What's up? | 03:07 |
bddebian | StevenK: No, screenkast needs another merge. Do you know if your changes need to stay? | 03:07 |
StevenK | bddebian: I'd need to check. Do you mind holding off for about 30 minutes while I sort out what I'm in the middle of? | 03:07 |
bddebian | Of course not, thanks | 03:08 |
RAOF | Hm. Why has sbuild stopped sending me buildlogs by mail? | 03:10 |
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RAOF | It was working fine until yesterday, now it's stopped. | 03:11 |
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ScottK | So if a package (source and binary) has been removed from Gutsy, but it still shows a queued build for lpia (status Needs Building) is that something I should mention to an archive admin? | 03:12 |
johanbr__ | RAOF: Maybe mail doesn't get delivered on weekends where you live? :) | 03:12 |
RAOF | johanbr__: Or maybe gmail has suddenly decided to classify those buildlogs as spam :( | 03:13 |
StevenK | ScottK: No, lpia is getting slowly sorted out by infinity. | 03:13 |
ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 03:13 |
StevenK | ScottK: You could mention it to him, but I doubt he'd do anything. | 03:13 |
ScottK | When I kill stuff off, I just want to make sure I've got it completely dead. | 03:14 |
ScottK | I guess even if it got built, it'd just get nds'ed eventually anyway. | 03:14 |
ScottK | nds/nbs | 03:14 |
ajmitch | good afternoon | 03:16 |
bddebian | Hmm, I wonder if freemind would build with gcj | 03:16 |
bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 03:16 |
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bddebian | Hmm, well freemind builds with gcj but I don't know if it works | 03:37 |
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ScottK | bddebian: Building is progress. | 04:47 |
bddebian | ScottK: Nice delayed response.. :-) | 04:47 |
bddebian | Oh and StevenK obviously forgot about me ;-P | 04:47 |
ScottK | Well it's easier to type responses when I'm actually sitting here. | 04:48 |
bddebian | :-) | 04:48 |
ajmitch | bddebian: you should be fixing stuff, not worrying about people forgetting you | 04:49 |
bddebian | ajmitch: I'm trying | 04:49 |
bddebian | ajmitch: Wanna REVU something for me to fix a bug? :-) | 04:49 |
ajmitch | no | 04:49 |
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bddebian | pfft, work, schmurk | 04:50 |
ScottK | It's probably php. It's not like anyone actually expects php code to do anything useful... | 04:50 |
bddebian | hehe | 04:53 |
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bddebian | Damn, to upload or not to upload... | 04:59 |
bddebian | ScottK: You have time to look at a package quick? | 04:59 |
ScottK | An entire package, no, but if there's something specific.... | 05:00 |
bddebian | New upstream of xmlrpc-c | 05:00 |
ScottK | Sound scary. Two entire scary three letter acryonyms in 6 letters of packagename. | 05:01 |
bddebian | Gah | 05:02 |
ScottK | New upstream you can upload yourself anyway. It doesn't need an ack. | 05:03 |
bddebian | It's not my packaging. It's too clean to be mine. ;-P | 05:03 |
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ScottK | OK. Then advocate it and upload it. | 05:03 |
bddebian | OK, when I get bitched at I'm telling them you told me too ;-P | 05:04 |
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ScottK | Hey, I just work here. | 05:05 |
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StevenK | bddebian: Didn't forget, had to leave where I was, sorry. | 05:11 |
bddebian | StevenK: NP, I'm just giving you a hard time. I have a bad tendency to do that | 05:12 |
mruiz | bye all | 05:13 |
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DarkSun88 | Good Morning | 09:20 |
ajmitch | hi | 09:21 |
DarkSun88 | Hi Andrew | 09:21 |
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pschulz01 | Greetings.. I'm trying to install the package 'scsh'.. it installs on i386, but not in 64bit.. apt-cache search scsh on my 64bit laptop shows scsh-06 package is missing which scsh depends on. | 09:48 |
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pschulz01 | Hmm.. getting segfault when I try to build scsh | 09:56 |
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rulus | Is this the right channel to ask about how to make deb packages? | 10:02 |
pschulz01 | rulus: You can ask :-) | 10:02 |
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rulus | ah, well, I have a bzr branch with a Python application. Is there a guide somewhere to tell me how to make a .deb package out of it? | 10:03 |
pschulz01 | rulus: Um.. I'm struggling with something similar. I have managed to make some progress, but I don;t know if it's the correct way to do stuff.. hopefully someone else here will know more.. otherwise I can give you some hints. | 10:04 |
pschulz01 | Install the 'debhelper' package. | 10:06 |
pschulz01 | rulus: Have a look at the 'dh_make' script.. | 10:06 |
rulus | ok | 10:07 |
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norsetto | morning all | 10:38 |
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marcin_ant | hi guys | 11:12 |
marcin_ant | I got a question - how is it possible that product that is not free for commercial usage is available as package in universe? | 11:12 |
marcin_ant | and there is no word in package description that it's downloading for commercial usage is restricted? The package is: dansguardian | 11:13 |
geser | good question | 11:18 |
norsetto | the license in the tarball is GPL, so, where is it specified that this is not free for commercial usage? | 11:23 |
geser | on the homepage | 11:23 |
norsetto | and why should we care about the homepage? | 11:24 |
geser | http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2 | 11:24 |
norsetto | Imean, if they package the tarball with GPL (also in the README) | 11:24 |
geser | I couldn't find this restriction in the tarball on Ubuntu archive and neither in the last beta tarball | 11:25 |
norsetto | exactly .... | 11:25 |
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geser | see also the last question on this page | 11:27 |
geser | so it's ok to be in universe | 11:27 |
norsetto | I checked some headers, they are all GPL | 11:27 |
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\sh | he has to dua-license it, like qt | 11:52 |
\sh | s/dua/dual/ | 11:52 |
ogra | \sh, why, he has given it a licence when he rolled the tarball ... no matter what else he writes on any webpages | 11:54 |
ogra | if he wants to restict usage he can relicense the source ... but until that happens its GPL software | 11:55 |
\sh | ogra: yepp...that's what I mean | 11:55 |
ogra | :) | 11:55 |
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marcin_ant | pretty confusing... | 11:57 |
marcin_ant | especially if you need to be sure if it's safe to use in company | 11:57 |
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Riddell | is https://launchpad.net/~motu-uvf/+members up to date? | 12:37 |
Riddell | no, doesn't seem so | 12:38 |
geser | dholbach is on holiday | 12:42 |
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Riddell | geser: any idea when to? it isn't mentioned in canonical's internal calendar | 12:44 |
geser | his blog mentions he'll be back on Aug 20th | 12:44 |
Riddell | hmm, so the team won't be updated in time | 12:46 |
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\sh | Riddell: no second general at hand? ;) | 01:01 |
Riddell | not for that team | 01:03 |
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\sh | well, SPoF then ... can happen needs to be fixed | 01:05 |
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Riddell | groovy, I 0wned the team | 01:19 |
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\sh | lol | 01:28 |
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\sh | just installed tribe4 from gutsy...nice to see aixgl is enabled by default :) | 01:57 |
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pygi | asac, ok, it doesn't | 02:08 |
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pygi | (that was supposed to be in -devel :P) | 02:09 |
Kmos | 2.1.8-release-1 | 02:11 |
Kmos | if I want to modify this one, what's the name for ubuntu ? | 02:12 |
Kmos | 2.1.8-release-1ubuntu1 ? | 02:12 |
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asac | Kmos: yes | 02:17 |
Kmos | asac: thanks | 02:17 |
geser | RAOF: about your deluge-torrent merge: what's the reason to build it only for python2.5 and not python2.4 and python2.5? | 02:20 |
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zul | hey Hobbsee | 02:25 |
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geser | Hi Hobbsee | 02:26 |
Hobbsee | heya | 02:27 |
pygi | o no, it's Hobbsee :) | 02:29 |
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ScottK | Good morning all. | 02:30 |
ScottK | norsetto: I'm here if you want to discuss. | 02:30 |
Hobbsee | it is. hear me roar! | 02:30 |
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norsetto | ScottK: Hi | 02:41 |
ScottK | Hey | 02:41 |
ScottK | To answer your question, I don't remember about lintian warnings. | 02:41 |
ScottK | The upload I did I was fixing a bug and so just focused on making it work. | 02:42 |
norsetto | ScottK: ok, so what can we do beside alerting the debian devel? Should we fix those ourselves? Can the package be uploaded? | 02:42 |
ScottK | Would you pastebin me the warnings? | 02:43 |
norsetto | ScottK: sure; I worked some of them out mysef, just for fun | 02:43 |
ScottK | Well if you worked some out, I'd go ahead and include that resolution in the upload. | 02:44 |
norsetto | ScottK: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m3f0b7166 | 02:45 |
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ScottK | norsetto: Are those the ones you have not fixed yet? | 02:47 |
norsetto | ScottK: no, these are all the original ones | 02:47 |
norsetto | ScottK: I worked out the easy ones ;-) | 02:48 |
ScottK | OK. Which of those did you come up with resolutions for? | 02:48 |
ScottK | You and I may have different definitions of easy. | 02:48 |
norsetto | ScottK: Yes, easy for me of course ...missing-debconf-dependency-for-preinst | 02:49 |
norsetto | ScottK: The font /usr/share/poker-network/poker2d/fonts/FreeSerif.ttf in package ttf-freefont is considered to be a duplicate | 02:49 |
norsetto | File /usr/lib/pkgconfig/poker-network.pc contained in /usr/lib of Architecture: all package | 02:50 |
norsetto | ScottK: postinst/postrm-has-useless-call-to-ldconfig seems to be debhelper related | 02:51 |
ScottK | I'd expect it is. | 02:51 |
ScottK | Since the call is described as useless, I expect it's not particulalry harmful. | 02:52 |
norsetto | ScottK: postinst-uses-db-input is perhaps a candidate for override; I actually don't understand the logic behind it (its a server reset) | 02:52 |
ScottK | Right. | 02:52 |
norsetto | ScottK: And then the .la files I don't really know what to do | 02:53 |
ScottK | That and the preinst debconf call are ones I wouldn't touch without a dialogue with the Debian maintainer. | 02:53 |
norsetto | ScottK: agree | 02:53 |
ScottK | I don't either. I wonder if they even actually get used (if they lack path information, I'd expect it's either hard wired in somewhere else or they aren't used). | 02:54 |
pschulz01 | What happens if a package doesn't build for a particular archtecture? | 02:54 |
ScottK | I'd say go with what you've fixed and mail the Debian maintainer about the others. | 02:55 |
ScottK | norsetto: There's also a request for a Feisty SRU for that package. Interested? | 02:55 |
norsetto | ScottK: already emailed him; still waiting for feedback | 02:55 |
ScottK | norsetto: Great. | 02:55 |
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ScottK | pschulz01: Not sure what you mean? | 02:55 |
pschulz01 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scsh-0.6/+bug/62293 | 02:56 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 62293 in scsh-0.6 "Depends: scsh-0.6 but it is not installable - se.archive.ubuntu.com seems broken." [Undecided,Incomplete] | 02:56 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: The 64bit package doesn;t build | 02:56 |
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ScottK | OK. Then what happens is you have no binary for that arch. | 02:56 |
xxxxx1 | mornin' people | 02:56 |
xxxxx1 | :) | 02:56 |
ScottK | Morning xxxxx1. | 02:56 |
xxxxx1 | ScottK! | 02:57 |
ScottK | pschulz01: Whoever uploaded the package should try to fix it. | 02:57 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: The bug has been labeled against the 'Ubuntu Mirror Admin' but I don't think that's right. | 02:57 |
ScottK | pschulz01: What bug? | 02:57 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: I was able to build it on all the arch I have (i386,powerp) except for x36_64. | 02:57 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: Bug 62293 | 02:58 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 62293 in scsh-0.6 "Depends: scsh-0.6 but it is not installable - se.archive.ubuntu.com seems broken." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62293 | 02:58 |
white | !info emacs gutsy | 02:59 |
ubotu | emacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 22.1-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4 kB, installed size 36 kB | 02:59 |
white | !info emacs21 gutsy | 02:59 |
ubotu | emacs21: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1977 kB, installed size 5928 kB | 02:59 |
white | the security patch is probably included, but someone might want to check | 02:59 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: I don;t think it's a Mirror admin issue... I see the exact same problem though. | 03:00 |
ScottK | pschulz01: I agree. | 03:00 |
ScottK | The IA64 binary if FTBFS for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty, and Gutsy. | 03:00 |
white | reference debian bug #408929 | 03:00 |
ubotu | Debian bug 408929 in emacs21 "emacs21: crash on spam" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/408929 | 03:00 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: FTBFS? | 03:01 |
ScottK | pschulz01: I'd suggest rewrite the bug. | 03:01 |
ScottK | Fail To Build From Source | 03:01 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: :-) | 03:01 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: :-( | 03:01 |
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ScottK | pschulz01: Then look in Debian and upstream to see if they have any 64 bit fixes. | 03:01 |
white | !info eggdrop gutsy | 03:02 |
ubotu | eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 462 kB, installed size 1136 kB | 03:02 |
white | someone might want to check, if the security patch from the 1.6.18-1.1 version (which is in incoming.debian.org) is included | 03:02 |
ScottK | norsetto: You've been looking for stuff to do, so white's suggestion is a good one. Will you take it? | 03:03 |
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ScottK | norsetto: Do you want the Feisty SRU for poker-network? | 03:03 |
white | !info freeradius gutsy | 03:04 |
ubotu | freeradius: a high-performance and highly configurable RADIUS server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.6-2 (gutsy), package size 736 kB, installed size 2764 kB | 03:04 |
pschulz01 | ScottK: Bug in Debian... Not portable to 64bit platforms .. 5 years and 353 days old. | 03:04 |
norsetto | ScottK: well, since I 'm doing the gutsy one, I can as well do the SRU for feisty | 03:05 |
ScottK | What does upstream say? | 03:05 |
white | !info xfce4-terminal gutsy | 03:05 |
ubotu | xfce4-terminal: Xfce terminal emulator. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.6-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 991 kB, installed size 2964 kB | 03:05 |
white | someone might want to check xfce4-terminal as well. I am not sure, if the fix is in the 0.2.6-3 version, i did not work on it | 03:05 |
white | I think that's it for today, not much though | 03:06 |
norsetto | white: do you remember the ITA for turkey? | 03:06 |
white | norsetto: -v please | 03:06 |
ScottK | norsetto: SRU for Bug #95836 assigned to you then. Remember that for SRU we want the minimally invasive fix. I just assigned one bug for the SRU, but look at all 3 that I closed. | 03:06 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 95836 in poker-network "[apport] twistd crashed with OperationalError in __init__()" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95836 | 03:06 |
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siretart | Riddell: oh, you kicked me out of UVF? | 03:07 |
norsetto | white: a week ago you asked if I could issue an ITA for turkey (orphanesd in Debian since a while); I did fix it for gutsy | 03:07 |
white | norsetto: so you want it? | 03:08 |
norsetto | white: well, I sent it out to l.d.o. and the java group 'cause I need a sponsor | 03:08 |
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norsetto | white: nobody answered, so I can't do nothing, sorry | 03:08 |
white | norsetto: hmm http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=packages@qa.debian.org does not show me that there is a ITA for that package | 03:08 |
white | norsetto: you need to write a ITA bug against wnpp | 03:09 |
RainCT | hi | 03:09 |
norsetto | white: no, I checked for a sponsor before | 03:09 |
white | norsetto: there are 3 rc bugs against the package in debian | 03:09 |
white | norsetto: did you fix them all? | 03:09 |
Riddell | siretart: you don't seem to be in the team for this release | 03:09 |
norsetto | white: at least 2; but one the fixes might not be welcome in debian | 03:10 |
siretart | Riddell: I'm not? - well, okay. | 03:10 |
white | norsetto: why is that? | 03:10 |
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norsetto | white: 'cause it requires to use the sun jvm, so the package ends up in non-free | 03:11 |
Riddell | siretart: new team here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-July/023974.html | 03:11 |
white | norsetto: well i am not totally familiar with java, so i would not sponsor the package atm. But if you end up writing an ITA and mail debian-mentors@l.d.o. with the new packages, then I am sure that you will find a sponsor | 03:11 |
white | norsetto: if you did not end up finding one afterwards, then ping me and i will find one for you | 03:12 |
siretart | Riddell: ah, must have missed that mail. thanks for the link | 03:12 |
norsetto | white: roger | 03:12 |
white | norsetto: thanks | 03:12 |
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ScottK | norsetto: You should ping man-di (who is usually here) as he does lots of Java stuff in Debian. | 03:29 |
norsetto | ScottK: thanks, I will | 03:30 |
Kmos | StevenK: bug 131795 | 03:36 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 131795 in dapper-backports "Please backport clamav 0.91.1 from Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131795 | 03:36 |
Kmos | updates are not working.. | 03:36 |
ScottK | Kmos: Can't do it yet. | 03:37 |
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ScottK | Clamav 0.9x changed it's interfaces with other applications and so we have to backport them all at the same time. | 03:38 |
ScottK | Working on it. | 03:38 |
Kmos | ScottK: ok.. thanks =) | 03:38 |
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\sh | wow...i just read that for the first time | 03:51 |
\sh | " | 03:51 |
\sh | Community Hosted Servers Compromised | 03:51 |
\sh | This last week, 5 of the 8 servers that are loco hosted but Canonical sponsored, had to be shut down due to reports that they were actively attacking other machines. | 03:51 |
\sh | " | 03:51 |
\sh | how did that happen? | 03:51 |
Nafallo | \sh: well. TBH I think there was lack of administration etc... | 03:55 |
Nafallo | and not up-to-date for security fixes. | 03:55 |
ScottK | \sh: Where did you read that? | 03:55 |
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\sh | Scott: latest uwn | 03:56 |
\sh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue52 | 03:56 |
ScottK | Thanks | 03:56 |
Fujitsu | ROFL | 03:57 |
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\sh | Nafallo: lack of administration == are those admins "sysadmins from canonical" or "those community admins from the locos"? | 03:57 |
Fujitsu | Down 74.36% since the market opened a short time ago. | 03:57 |
AndyP | Fujitsu: hehe, i thought it would drop a bit but not that much :) | 03:58 |
Nafallo | \sh: when I was admin for vistula it was a service provided by the locos. I would think that is still true. | 03:58 |
Fujitsu | Down to $0.40 | 03:58 |
Nafallo | Fujitsu: nice :-) | 03:58 |
Nafallo | they screwed up, and now they're paying for it... | 03:59 |
\sh | Nafallo: so the loco admins were responsible for the servers | 03:59 |
StevenK | Fujitsu: I wonder why that is. :-P | 03:59 |
Nafallo | \sh: at least some year ago. | 03:59 |
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\sh | I wonder what the users tell them, when the server is compromized...regarding the user data | 04:01 |
Fujitsu | The LoCo servers are primarily community maintained at the moment (I'm an admin on mekong). | 04:01 |
Nafallo | I think vistula is still up | 04:02 |
Nafallo | I get ICMP ECHO replies anyway. | 04:02 |
Ng | \sh: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2007-August/001510.html has more detail, fwiw | 04:03 |
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Nafallo | hmm | 04:09 |
Nafallo | I think point c is damn valid in this. | 04:09 |
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Nafallo | that's why I let someone else take over the duty of vistula. | 04:09 |
Nafallo | that and work. | 04:09 |
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Fujitsu | Mekong is all Dapper but the kernel, but that's not very useful. | 04:11 |
\sh | hmm...how can someone change the number of virtual desktops these days? | 04:11 |
\sh | (gnome) | 04:11 |
Nafallo | Fujitsu: I think vistula is the same. | 04:11 |
Nafallo | Fujitsu: at least I left it in that stage :-) | 04:11 |
Nafallo | state even | 04:12 |
Kmos | \sh: preferences ? with right button on little windows | 04:12 |
Nafallo | \sh: right click the applet? | 04:12 |
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Kmos | can someone look at bug 132179 , it has a debdiff that needs to be uploaded, before remove this package. | 04:13 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 132179 in workbone "[Remove] Please remove workbone from Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132179 | 04:13 |
Fujitsu | \sh: Using Compiz Fusion, you mean? | 04:13 |
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Fujitsu | Kmos: Erm... why the heck would you upload a fix immediately before removal? | 04:14 |
Fujitsu | That's clinically insane. | 04:14 |
Kmos | Fujitsu: that package will provide and replace workbone in the future | 04:15 |
Kmos | Fujitsu: upgrade stuff.. | 04:15 |
geser | \sh: start ccsm again -> General Options -> "Desktop Size" Tab | 04:16 |
geser | \sh: for a cube I have there: Horizontal Size = 4 ; Vertical Size = 1 ; Num of Desktops = 1 | 04:17 |
\sh | ah...so it's configured with ccsm | 04:17 |
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geser | \sh: compiz uses gtk-window-decorator which looks like metacity | 04:20 |
\sh | geser: hmm...I setup 8 desktops | 04:21 |
\sh | ah...now I get it | 04:21 |
\sh | it's totally different then from the normal virtual desktop setup | 04:21 |
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bddebian | Heya gang | 04:45 |
\sh | moins barry | 04:47 |
bddebian | Heya \sh, how have you been? | 04:47 |
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\sh | bddebian, well, at least i'm free of doing merges ,-) | 04:48 |
bddebian | hehe | 04:48 |
pygi | \sh, then you have a free pbuilder? :) | 04:49 |
geser | Hi bddebian | 04:49 |
bddebian | Heya geser | 04:49 |
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bddebian | StevenK: Thanks for hitting screenkast! | 05:01 |
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norsetto | ScottK: I checked eggdrop and the latest security patch from the 1.6.18-1.1 version is NOT included | 05:02 |
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ScottK | norsetto: Get to work then. | 05:03 |
norsetto | ScottK: don't we wait for a merge? OK, will fix it | 05:04 |
ScottK | norsetto: If you have -1.1, go ahead and do the merge. | 05:04 |
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norsetto | ScottK: bug 132222 subscribed to u-u-s | 05:43 |
ubotu | Launchpad bug 132222 in eggdrop "Please merge eggdrop (1.6.18-1.1) from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132222 | 05:43 |
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bddebian | Uhm, what is wildcard in this code? | 05:54 |
bddebian | ifneq "$(wildcard /usr/share/misc/config.sub)" "" | 05:54 |
bddebian | cp -f /usr/share/misc/config.sub config.sub | 05:54 |
bddebian | endif | 05:54 |
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geser | I guess a make function | 05:55 |
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geser | bddebian: http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Wildcard-Function | 05:56 |
bddebian | dumb :) | 05:57 |
bddebian | Thx geser | 05:58 |
AndyP | i saw that snippet in fceu's rules file the other day | 05:58 |
bddebian | fugly :-) | 05:59 |
AndyP | yeah, they should be using cdbs ;) | 05:59 |
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bddebian | heh | 05:59 |
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ScottK | norsetto: You've got the attention of the right guy on eggdrop. | 06:12 |
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norsetto | ScottK: :-) | 06:12 |
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luisbg | how do I uncompress a .deb? | 06:20 |
bddebian | dpkg-deb -x or something like that | 06:21 |
pygi | dpkg-source -x *.dsc | 06:21 |
pygi | ups, that's for a source | 06:21 |
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luisbg | pygi, LOL no problem | 06:22 |
luisbg | want to give it a second try? | 06:22 |
bddebian | dpkg-deb -x <deb> <dir> | 06:22 |
pygi | yup, bddebian is right | 06:22 |
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pygi | bddebian, shhh :) | 06:23 |
bddebian | :-) | 06:23 |
luisbg | heh | 06:23 |
luisbg | the output directory has a etc and usr folder? | 06:24 |
luisbg | I was expecting something else | 06:24 |
luisbg | LOL | 06:24 |
bddebian | Are you looking for the source? | 06:24 |
simu | like "right-click the file an choose Open with Archive Manager" | 06:25 |
luisbg | yes | 06:26 |
bddebian | pfft gui is for sissy's ;-P | 06:26 |
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geser | luisbg: what did you expect? | 06:27 |
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luisbg | geser, I wanted the source | 06:30 |
luisbg | and I just have the .deb file | 06:30 |
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geser | that won't work as the deb doesn't contain the source code | 06:33 |
luisbg | I redid most of what I had done | 06:36 |
luisbg | thanks geser =) | 06:36 |
pygi | apt-get source blablabla | 06:39 |
pygi | :) | 06:39 |
pygi | ah, /me didn't read again xD | 06:39 |
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Ng | siretart: ping | 06:48 |
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siretart | Ng: sorry, I'm about to leave ;) | 06:50 |
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Ng | siretart: ok, never mind | 06:51 |
Ng | siretart: is there anyone else I can pester about revu? | 06:52 |
siretart | Ng: maybe sistpoty, ajmitch, raphink, choose one :) | 06:52 |
ScottK | Ng: It's down for sometime. | 06:52 |
ScottK | Pestering won't help. | 06:52 |
Ng | ScottK: I don't want to use it, I want to talk to someone about how it works. I'm a Canonical Sysadmin working on the machines that the down loco services will be using :) | 06:53 |
ScottK | Ah. | 06:54 |
ScottK | Sorry. | 06:54 |
Ng | np :) | 06:54 |
siretart | Ng: can we chat tomorrow about it? | 06:54 |
Ng | siretart: certainly, thanks | 06:54 |
siretart | Ng: basically, it is a 'mod-python' application | 06:54 |
ScottK | He's probably sleeping now, but IIRC StevenK would be another one. | 06:54 |
siretart | Ng: and it needs postgres | 06:54 |
Ng | siretart: ok, that's cool | 06:54 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: he's also sleeping too | 06:54 |
geser | Ng: so it depends on you when revu will be up again? | 06:54 |
siretart | Ng: it is deployed via bzr | 06:54 |
Hobbsee | ScottK: it's 3am here, remember? | 06:55 |
Ng | geser: not just me, but yes | 06:55 |
siretart | Ng: feel free to write me an email with further questions, I'll answer them tonight or tomorrow morning, okay? | 06:55 |
Ng | siretart: that's great, thanks very much | 06:55 |
geser | Hobbsee: if you're still awake, then it can't be late/early :) | 06:56 |
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Hobbsee | geser: oh yes it can be. | 06:56 |
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norsetto | keescook: ok, debdiff u-u is uploaded :-) | 07:07 |
keescook | norsetto: cool, thanks! | 07:07 |
norsetto | keescook: nog een vraag .... sprekt u nederlands? | 07:08 |
keescook | norsetto: I only know how to swear. ;) | 07:08 |
norsetto | :-D | 07:09 |
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geser | keescook: that's enough ;) | 07:12 |
keescook | geser: hehe | 07:12 |
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norsetto | ScottK: little problem about the SRU; the feisty libray is too old, we need to backport it too | 07:32 |
ScottK | Ahhh | 07:32 |
ScottK | What do you mean? | 07:32 |
norsetto | ScottK: it requires >1.0.22 and we only have 1.0.20 in feisty | 07:33 |
ScottK | Ah. Well then we need to figure out if there's a subset we can use for the SRU then. | 07:33 |
norsetto | ScottK: its not just a question of dependancy; its hardcoded in the config | 07:33 |
ScottK | Hmmm | 07:34 |
norsetto | ScoTTK: sorry, forgot to mention which library; its python-poker-engine | 07:35 |
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ScottK | Ah. | 07:36 |
ScottK | Well then is it something broken in python-poker-engine that we need to SRU for too? | 07:36 |
norsetto | me always forget the little details | 07:36 |
ScottK | Dunno. | 07:36 |
norsetto | ScottK: In debian they have 1.0.19 or 1.025; in gutsy its 1.0.25; guess that would fix some bugs too..... | 07:37 |
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norsetto | ScottK: its the only one by the way, all the rest seems to be fine | 07:39 |
ScottK | Well we really can't SRU a new library, so we need to figure a finer grained solution. | 07:40 |
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norsetto | ScottK: are u also looking at the changelog? Its depressing .... | 07:43 |
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cbx33 | BOOOOO-YA | 07:58 |
cbx33 | ping imbrandon | 07:58 |
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_MMA_ | cbx33: good luck with that. Ive been poking for about 5 days now. :( | 08:00 |
cbx33 | heheh | 08:00 |
cbx33 | try about 4 weeks | 08:00 |
_MMA_ | :( | 08:01 |
afflux | correct me if I'm wrong but packages in debian depending on inet-superserver need to work with inetutils-inetd, openbsd-inetd and rlinetd. In ubuntu inet-superserver is also provided by xinetd. What to do with packages that use update-inetd which works for the three inet-superserver packages in debian but not xinetd? | 08:02 |
afflux | Change the dependency to netkit-inetd | rlinetd? | 08:02 |
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geser | afflux: have you read the discussion on the debian-devel ML? | 08:10 |
DarkSun88 | geser: Thanks for upload. :) | 08:10 |
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afflux | geser: I don't think so. | 08:11 |
geser | DarkSun88: thank you for noticing that it's a merge now and providing the debdiff | 08:11 |
zul | Fujitsu: ping | 08:12 |
DarkSun88 | geser: No problem. :) | 08:12 |
geser | afflux: IIRC the result was that nothing should depend on update-inetd directly (only the inetservers using it) and package should depend on the inet-superserver virtual package | 08:12 |
geser | afflux: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg01013.html ff. | 08:13 |
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afflux | geser: yes, the problem is, the package I have to merge doesn't depend on update-inetd, but it uses it in the postinst/postrm files. But it depends on inet-superserver (which is in ubuntu provided by xinetd, which doesn't support update-inetd) | 08:14 |
afflux | ah, wait, i'll read it ;) | 08:14 |
geser | afflux: does caling update-inetd something usefull when xinted is installed? | 08:15 |
afflux | no, since xinetd doesn't contain an own implementation of update-inetd and the update-inetd package doesn't work for xinetd. | 08:16 |
afflux | (different config files and different format) | 08:17 |
geser | I'd suggest to call update-inetd only when it's available and install a config snippet for xinetd | 08:17 |
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geser | that seems to be the most sane solution now | 08:18 |
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cbx33 | hey pygi | 08:34 |
pygi | cbx33, omg, you are alive! | 08:35 |
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cbx33 | hehe | 08:36 |
cbx33 | howz it going | 08:36 |
cbx33 | you should know I'm alive as i've been blogging alot | 08:36 |
pygi | cbx33, not so well | 08:36 |
pygi | cbx33, well, no time to read stuff :( | 08:36 |
cbx33 | oh what's up? | 08:36 |
cbx33 | pm? | 08:36 |
pygi | sure | 08:36 |
afflux | geser: I see another problem coming up here. If someone has xinetd and another inetd, that uses /etc/inetd.conf, installed, and the package installs an xinetd snippet and installs itself to inetd.conf, we would have a conflict there. Suggestions? | 08:37 |
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afflux | geser: one possibility would be to set the xinetd snippet to disabled and warn the user on installing the package that he could need to enable it. | 08:39 |
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geser | afflux: looking at the other inet-superserver packages: they conflict with inet-superserver so that only one inet-superserver should be installed | 08:41 |
geser | but xinetd is missing that conflict | 08:41 |
geser | should perhaps xinetd and openbsd-inetd add a conflict to inet-superserver? that way only one inet-superserver can be installed at a time | 08:43 |
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afflux | geser: sounds sane. | 08:44 |
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Skiessi | is there/shouldn't there be a list in the wiki about the stuff wanted to Universe? | 09:11 |
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DktrKranz | Skiessi, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO is not sufficient? | 09:11 |
jrib | !packaging | Skiessi | 09:20 |
ubotu | Skiessi: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 09:20 |
jrib | Skiessi: the wiki page method was replaced, now people should file 'needs-packaging' bugs | 09:20 |
jrib | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New links to the old page I think | 09:21 |
Skiessi | what if the tar-file already contains the files in debian-folder? | 09:22 |
Skiessi | do I have to edit them? | 09:23 |
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bddebian | So if a package is maintained in Debian in svn is it still OK for us to add fixes? | 10:07 |
ScottK | Absolutely. | 10:09 |
ScottK | Debian SVN has nothing to do with Ubuntu. | 10:09 |
bddebian | Well I don't want to get bitched at again. I'm thinking I just avoid it :) | 10:09 |
ScottK | bddebian: If the svn happens to be the Debian Python Modules Team one, let me know and I'll put the fix in there too. | 10:09 |
ScottK | Nah. Go for it. | 10:09 |
bddebian | Just adding a .desktop to openttd | 10:11 |
ScottK | Shouldn't be a problem. | 10:13 |
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ajmitch | Ng: if you're still alive, I'm here now :) | 10:20 |
bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:21 |
vil | hi ScottK, I have just read your announcement of zekr | 10:25 |
ScottK | Yes. | 10:26 |
vil | I gave a few comments on that to Mohammad | 10:26 |
ScottK | OK. | 10:27 |
vil | pls, where can I see the latest version? | 10:27 |
vil | revu is off currently | 10:27 |
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ScottK | Except for a couple of minor nits (nothing to do with Java), http://www.kitterman.com/test/zekr_0.5.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc is it. | 10:27 |
ScottK | All of the REVU comments had, I think, been resolved befor REVU took a break. | 10:28 |
vil | thanks | 10:29 |
vil | ScottK, well how can I DL rest of it? | 10:30 |
vil | besides .dsc | 10:30 |
ScottK | dget -x http://www.kitterman.com/test/zekr_0.5.1.dfsg-0ubuntu1.dsc | 10:30 |
vil | excellent, thanks again | 10:31 |
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vil | ScottK, all my comments fixed :) | 10:35 |
vil | nice job | 10:35 |
ScottK | vil: Great. | 10:36 |
ScottK | Glad to hear it. | 10:36 |
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vil | ScottK, the last point I was suggesting is that it sets the menu language inside the app instead of using locales settings | 10:40 |
vil | but that is upstream issue | 10:40 |
ScottK | Yes. Persia had the same comment. | 10:40 |
ScottK | IIRC | 10:40 |
ScottK | We got it to packaged correctly and minimaly works. | 10:41 |
ScottK | minimaly/minimally | 10:41 |
ScottK | Which is as far as our gatekeeper role extends IMO. | 10:41 |
vil | yeah | 10:41 |
vil | interresting that you covered all my ideas :) nothing left | 10:42 |
ScottK | man-di_ reviewed it for Java stuff, so much credit goes to him. | 10:42 |
ScottK | All I know about Java is when someone says Java, I run. | 10:43 |
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vil | looking forward man-di_ being the MOTU | 10:45 |
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ajmitch | sigh, 30 mounts since last fsck | 10:45 |
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ajmitch | nvidia drivers killed my desktop this morning as well | 10:46 |
calc | yipee i'll be a core dev tomorrow :) | 10:49 |
calc | wrt OOo issue we think we have found the offending call and I sent an email to the patches author to have him review it | 10:50 |
calc | er patch's | 10:50 |
ajmitch | yay! | 10:50 |
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calc | hopefully the patch's author can fix it quickly, so i can do another upload without breaking font support | 10:53 |
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Fujitsu | zul: Pong. | 11:45 |
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crimsun | bddebian: you can't unsub u-a unless you're a member or have LP supapowah. | 11:47 |
bddebian | Fruck.. Stupid freakin' packages | 11:47 |
bddebian | dh_install -ppython-vipscc | 11:48 |
bddebian | cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.4': No such file or directory | 11:48 |
bddebian | dh_install: command returned error code 256 | 11:48 |
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jmg | bddebian: edit the .install files and make them not suck so much | 11:49 |
ajmitch | hello crimsun, good to see you still alive | 11:49 |
crimsun | ajmitch: hello | 11:49 |
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bddebian | jmg: Aye but wtf belongs in there. He's using pycentral so I'm not sure why that's even in there | 11:51 |
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jmg | bddebian: chec out the tmp directory and see what's there? | 11:53 |
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norsetto | ScottK: got bad news mate | 11:56 |
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RainCT | good night | 12:05 |
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