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hsdyhfgmy network card doesnt look like its compatible01:06
BFTDwhats wrong?01:06
hsdyhfgwell i was installing xubuntu on my laptop earlier on01:07
hsdyhfgand everything looked fine01:07
hsdyhfgthe internet didnt work01:07
BFTDnuclear explosion?01:07
hsdyhfgso i tried reinstalling it01:07
BFTDdoes it show up in lspci?01:08
hsdyhfglet me see01:08
hsdyhfgtyped it in01:09
hsdyhfgand its got lots of 1s and 0s and stuff01:09
hsdyhfgbut no error messages :S01:09
BFTDpastebin it01:10
BFTD"lspci" in terminal?01:10
BFTDwithout quotes01:10
hsdyhfgi cant paste coz im using a different pc01:10
hsdyhfgbut the ethernet bit says01:11
hsdyhfg000:00:12:0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 74)01:12
BFTDVIA sucks01:12
BFTDbut ok01:12
BFTDwhat does "ifconfig" say?01:12
BFTDdoes it show eth0?01:14
hsdyhfgcant see eth0 anywhere01:14
hsdyhfgoh yea01:15
hsdyhfgit does01:15
hsdyhfgall looks fine01:15
hsdyhfgis "interrupt" bad?01:16
BFTDhow and where do you get your internet?01:16
BFTDand how does it get to this computer?01:16
hsdyhfgim on a different pc running shitty windows atm01:16
hsdyhfgcos i cant use my laptop because the network card isn't working on xubuntu01:17
hsdyhfgits all plugged into one hub, which goes off towards internet01:17
BFTDis it a hub or a router?01:17
hsdyhfghub then router01:18
BFTDso is the router set to DHCP?01:18
hsdyhfgim pretty sure it is01:18
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BFTDunplug the cable and plug it back in01:19
BFTDdo you see any link lights on the card?01:19
hsdyhfgnope, there arent any lights on the card but the one on the hub is flashing01:21
hsdyhfgwhen i installed it01:21
hsdyhfgan error message came up at startup01:21
hsdyhfgbut when i reboot01:22
hsdyhfgthe error doesn't show anymore01:22
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hsdyhfgim gonna reinstall it01:23
hsdyhfgand type the error01:23
hsdyhfgno state is present for card V823501:26
hsdyhfgno state is present for modem01:26
BFTDnot sure01:26
hsdyhfgahh kk01:27
hsdyhfgi'll post something on the forums no doubt01:27
hsdyhfgcheers anyways01:27
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cclampbluesanyone awake in here?01:45
vidd_laptopwhat up01:45
Jester45vidd did you get the server working or you just gonna wait till you go to work again01:47
vidd_laptopwait till i get to work01:47
vidd_laptopthe game is on01:47
Jester45just wondering01:47
hsdyhfgif anyone can help on this i would be very greatfull01:54
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RabbitbunnyI'm trying to install from livecd, My display is limited to 640*480. How do I install?02:21
Jester45you could try the better alt cd02:28
Jester45shouldnt you beable to install anyways02:29
RabbitbunnyYou have to click on things to install. I can't see anything.02:30
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RabbitbunnyI'm going to choke someone if I need to dl another cd. My burner is on my server. which is supposed to be getting a new OS right now.02:32
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RabbitbunnyOkay. What if I just reconfigure xorg, how would I restart it?02:40
zialsctrl + alt + backspace02:40
Rabbitbunnyuh.. where would aI type that?02:45
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suebuntuhi guys... as we speak i am waiting for the last couple of minutes for the ALTERNATE INSTALL cd for x to burn...  can anyone give me any tips i might need for the install?  will the installer tell me what commands to enter?  will the installer tell me how to make my swap and main partitions?03:18
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cameron_Azureous crashes on startup, I've reinstalled Azurous, and it still crashes, I do have to torrent set to download to a ntfs partition, but I have ntfs-config and it is set to write04:33
PumpernickelIf you launch it from a terminal, what does it print as it crashes?04:37
Pumpernickel(Use pastebin if it's more than a line.)04:37
Jester45cameron_, did you remove and delete the config for it.04:39
cameron_sry, back, didn't know anyone was on XD04:56
cameron_I removed it, and jave04:56
cameron_it said blackjava 1.4 had an error04:57
cameron_would installing java 6 work?04:59
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PumpernickelKinda hard to say, without knowing what the actual error was.05:00
cameron_merry christmas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33529/05:00
cameron_I already uninstalled Blackdown-1.4.2-0205:02
cameron_so should I download sun java 6 from the repos?05:05
Pumpernickelbug 10581605:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 105816 in azureus "Azureus crashes after start" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10581605:06
Pumpernickelbug 5787505:07
ubotuLaunchpad bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus hangs or crashes showing splash screen at start" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5787505:07
cameron_1st one05:07
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PumpernickelThe trace is similar for both.05:09
PumpernickelThe second link has more information on the nature of the problem, the first has more information on the fix.05:09
cameron_I downloaded the .jar file from Azurouses website, how do I install it?05:11
cclampbluesjust tap the lid with the back of a knife, then twist05:14
cclampbluespour contents into power supply fan (you may need to tilt the case or use an angled funnel)05:15
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cclampbluesdoes anyone know how to set up this whole internet thing - only without the goddamn wires?05:21
cclampbluesthe little light is blinking alright, but no internet05:23
Pumpernickelcameron_: First link, third reply.05:23
cclampbluesthis was not a problem with that edgy elf but this fiesty fawn is a bitch05:23
Pumpernickel!language | cclampblues05:24
ubotucclampblues: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.05:24
ubotuSo, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.05:24
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rollover - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:25
cclampbluesstill a stupid robot05:25
cclampbluesi know i get it pumper05:25
cclampbluesin all seirousness the fawn hates my wireless connection.05:26
cclampbluesbut the elf had no problems.05:27
cclampbluesI go to network settings and i show two wireless networks05:28
cclampbluesi configured one, then the other, then both, and nothing05:28
cclampbluesok thats not enitrely true. when i set up (wlan0) the light on my pcmcia (did i meantion its a laptop?) wifi card blinks: activity but no love from firefox, gaim, etc.05:29
cclampbluesanyone have any suggestions? if not i will just keep playing with the robot....................05:31
cclampbluesafter all someone needs to teach it some new tricks05:31
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs05:33
PumpernickelThe 'supported hardware' wiki may have documentation re: what it takes to get your wifi hardware working in Feisty.05:33
cclampbluesyeah, i appriciate that, but why would one device be supported in fiesty but not edgy?05:35
cclampblueserr. vice versa rather05:35
cameron_I have Azureus3.0.1.6.jar on my desktop, when I run cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ java Azureus3.0.1.6.jar05:36
cameron_, I get cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ java Azureus3.0.1.6.jar05:36
PumpernickelI'd be surprised if it wasn't supported in Feisty.  Most wifi problems are just configuration problems.05:38
cclampbluesthats what i think the case is here. but i am at a loss as what could be the problem.05:39
PumpernickelThat's why I recommended the 'supported hardware' wiki.  It often shows what it takes to make it work.05:39
cclampbluesright but my device is not listed05:40
cclampbluesi have/am reading the wiki05:40
PumpernickelWhat is it?05:40
cclampbluesan smc pcmcia card05:42
cclampbluesbut it worked like magic with the edgy elf.05:46
mikubuntuheeeelllllp please with install from alternate cd.  I am at the partitioner and its telling me b4 the LVM can b configd, current scheme has to b written to disk... the partition tables of following devices are changed: scsi1 (0,0,0) (sda)  do i want to proceed and write the changes?05:46
mikubuntuor i can 'go back' ... i'm lost05:48
PumpernickelIf it's going to be set up the way you want, go ahead.05:48
mikubuntuPumpernickel: i don't have a pref as long as it's correct for sys05:48
mikubuntui am not trying to save any files or data, complete writeover win9805:50
mikubuntuam i safe to proceed here, or should i go back to Option 1: Guided, recize scsi1, partition #5,sda, and used freed space; or, Option 2: Guided: use entire disk; or Option 3: Guided, use entire disk and set up LVM05:52
PumpernickelSet it up however you want.05:53
mikubuntuits a 10.3 hard drive, and 64 ram; does that make any diff as to choice?05:54
cclampbluesi entered iwconfig in terminal.... what is the difference between lo wmaster0 and wlan005:55
mikubuntuthere must be some reason x is offering the choice, can someone shed some lite for me?05:55
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PumpernickelLVM is unnecessary for a disk config that small; it only really becomes useful with multiple partitions/disks.05:56
PumpernickelThe rest pretty much explains itself - one option to use the entire disk, the other to use just the unused space on it.05:57
Pumpernickelcclampblues: lo is your loopback interface.  wlan0 should be your wireless interface.05:58
mikubuntuPumpernickel: sounds like you're saying to go with door number two06:00
mikubuntuso now it's creating ext3, and then swapfile ... what's the purpose of the swap?06:01
cclampbluesis there a terminal command to setup wlan0 directly. it shows as 0 quality, signal and noise06:03
cclampbluesi did setup wlan0 through the network settings gui dialog06:03
PumpernickelThere's ifconfig/iwconfig.06:05
mikubuntupumpernickel: can you tell me anything about the GRUB error 18?  we completed an install of x on her computer, but when she tried to boot got that error message; i have her on the phone...06:08
Pumpernickelmikubuntu: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors06:09
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cclampblueswell thanks for your help pumperkickel,,,,,,, keep at it tomorrow...06:11
mikubuntuPumpernickel: thanks, i'll send it to her06:15
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Chriswaterguyhi... having problem creating a file system. I'm installing Xubuntu from the Desktop CD (which I burned last night after doing a checksum)06:20
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ChriswaterguyI get an error message: "Failed to create a file system. The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed."06:22
cellofellowso, that means mkfs-ext3 /dev/sda1 failed for some reason.06:22
cellofellowmkfs.ext3 rather06:22
cameron_I have java 6, how do I install a .jar program with it?06:23
cellofellowcameron_: I'd try java thefile.jar06:23
ChriswaterguyI'm installing on a Lenovo Thinkpad R60.06:24
cameron_cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ java Azureus3.0.1.6.jar06:25
cameron_Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Azureus3/0/1/6/jar06:25
Chriswaterguycellofellow: Do you mean the disk failed?06:25
ChriswaterguyAny suggestions?06:25
cellofellowbrb, sorry06:25
Jester45cameron_, try using the linux download and run the sh script06:28
Jester45or if your amd6406:32
cameron_no, intel P D06:32
alnoktawhat font do you use for user interface settings?06:32
cameron_Azurous 3.0 is out though06:32
cameron_Azureus3.0.1.6.jar is what I have, but then how do I install the bz2 file???????/06:33
Jester453.0 is poop06:33
Jester45un untar06:34
Chriswaterguy(I may have an answer - going to follow the last post in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5296 )06:34
Jester45then goto the folder it makes from the untaring06:34
Jester45then run the script06:34
Jester45its named azureus i think06:34
cameron_cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ un untar Azureus_2.5.0.4_linux.tar.bz206:35
cameron_bash: un: command not found06:35
Jester45tar -xvvjf Azureus_2.5.0.4_linux.tar.bz206:35
alnokta? i mean what do you prefer ;)06:36
Jester45alnokta, i use 9 point06:36
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cameron_kk, I got the uncompressed folder, now I would like to install...06:37
alnoktaJester45, thanks :)06:37
Jester45cameron_, thats the stuff06:37
Jester45there is not installing06:37
Jester45 go into the foler06:37
cameron_click the exe?06:37
mikubuntucan someone tell me; is BIOS hardware or software?  how do i 'flash' a BIOS to update it (an old laptop is not allowing me to get to the page for boot options)06:37
Jester45and run the script06:37
Jester45the file named azureus or Azureus it will have a icon that looks like a white peice of paper with a light gray gear on it06:38
alnoktaJester45, is there a page 'whats new' for gutsy?06:38
Jester45if your using defualt icons06:38
cameron_ary, g2g, but THANK YOU, I NEEEDED some torrents ;)06:39
Jester45if anyone sees him again tell him to try deluge06:39
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Jester45alnokta, idk feel free to find with google or on the wiki06:43
mikubuntucan someone tell me; is BIOS hardware or software?  how do i 'flash' a BIOS to update it (an old laptop is not allowing me to get to the page for boot options)06:46
cellofellowmikubuntu: BIOS is Basic Input/Output System. It is a basic system for configuring the hardware.06:47
cellofellowto flash the bios, you need a floppy, but idk how.06:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:47
cellofellowblasted bot06:48
Jester45its half software...06:48
cellofellowmore like firmware06:48
Jester45some older computers cant be updated06:48
Jester45its like a kernel but lower level... but im guessing you dont know what those are06:49
mikubuntucellofellow: thanks.  so if it can't be updated, i wonder ... i bought this hard drive 2.5" enclosure one button backup thing ... can i take the hd out of the aforementioned machine, attach it to another, install xub, and then put it back in the machine with any hope for success?06:50
Jester45depends on the machines06:50
Jester45are the the same hardware06:50
cellofellowmikubuntu: if you don't customize the hardware settings, should work mostly.06:51
mikubuntuhmmmm.... ok06:51
Jester45well biggest thing are they both intel or amd06:51
Jester45you might need to reset the video settings06:51
mikubuntuok.  is amd what they refer to as 64 bit?06:51
Jester45someof them06:52
Jester45what amd is it06:52
cellofellowAMD is a company like Intel. AMD came up with the x86_64 stuff first, so it gets called amd64 a lot.06:52
cellofellowbut amd makes normal x86_32 stuff too.06:52
mikubuntui don't know if i have amd on any of them; do all the mfgs make machines using either or?06:53
mikubuntulike does dell make some 64bit and some intel?06:53
cellofellowmost are Intel-only shops, actually.06:53
Jester45it should be fine06:53
Jester45just get the 32bit one06:53
cellofellowDell has lots of Intel 32 and 64, plus a bit of AMD 32 and 64.06:53
mikubuntuso the amd is a rarer find06:53
cellofellowsmaller company.06:53
Jester45the 64bit cpu should have the 32bit compatiblity06:54
cellofellowonly popular with the masses in recent years.06:54
cellofellowIf it's an AMD or Intel 64 bit CPU, it has 32 bit compatibily.06:54
cellofellowother brands don't bother with backwards compatibility, like IBM PowerPC and Sun SPARC 64bit versions don't work with the older 32bit.06:55
mikubuntuhmmmmm ... ok... i seee the software install on the desktop i'm trying to do is at 94%... i wish i thought it would be a flawless install, but i'm kinda dreading the end....06:55
mikubuntu97% and 'cleaning up'06:55
Jester45dreading what?06:56
mikubuntuthat there won't be a successful 'out of the box' install06:56
mikubuntuwe've been trying to get x on my friends machine for three days, and she keeps having to go back livecd06:57
mikubuntuomg, its doing the 'grub' install now.  that's where her prob has been, on boot says grub error 18, and won't boot06:58
cellofellowgrub has good docs06:59
mikubunturebooting now, cross fingers for me plz06:59
mikubuntuif it works it will be mom's introduction to the early 21st century07:00
mikubuntuwow.  xubuntu loaded up perfectly, or it seems to have at least, and this is a lot older and smaller system than my friends that we've been having so much trouble with.  gonna cut out and give it a test ride, thanks for all your help guys.07:09
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mikubuntuooops, but wait; one more question ... where do i go to set screen parameters?  the word 'application' is cut off the top left of the screen, is there a way to adjust?07:10
cellofellowshould be monitor options07:11
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cellofellowthe OSD07:11
mikubuntucellofellow: thanks, i'll go check it out07:11
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anandanbuHow to add Pidgin in the top panel if xubuntu 7.0407:28
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mikubuntuhmmmmm.... just got done installing x on a hp pav 6635, with a win98 sticker on it, and seems to be a good install all around. abiword renders well, but openoffice is a graphic mess.  i obviously don't want this machine for 'gaming' in any modern sense of the word, but i thought mom could play her card games on it at least.  but when i try to install, or enable ANY of the games on the installed list, i get a msg that it's not s07:54
mikubuntuupported for this machine ... ?  is it possible that it won't support a game of solitaire???07:54
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voldermortHow to remove an item from the top panel in xubuntu 7.0408:30
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RabbitbunnyHmm, second problem. It fails to partition my drive without giving a specific error.09:05
RabbitbunnyIt reads the drive, see all my files.09:05
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vasilijeit happened to me once, just reboot09:21
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Rabbitbunnyit laughed and did it again.09:24
Rabbitbunnyfor some reason my ide drive is scsi now. interesting.09:25
vasilijewhat exaclty are you trying to do? install?09:51
vasilijewhat version? xubuntu? 6.06?09:53
Rabbitbunnyxubuntu.... newest stable.09:53
Rabbitbunnyyeah, 7.04 live cd09:54
vasilijehmmm... I didn't even give it a try, the live cd didn't recognize my picmcia wifi card. But the 6.06 does, go figure09:55
vasilijeso I'd recommend you stick to 6.0609:56
vasilijeit's most stable from what I understand09:56
RabbitbunnyOkay. I'll download yet another cd.09:56
RabbitbunnyThis is really the part that annoys the hell out of me. spend two hours downloading, try to install, spend two hours downloading different cd...09:57
Rabbitbunnywait, six hours now. somebody is killing my pipe09:58
vasilijeyeah, I went through that hell on the weekend, only to get back to xubuntu 6.06 again. Xserver crashed cuz of a screen lock (screen saver) bug while I was updating, I've all the ubuntu/xubuntu versions on cd now10:00
vasilijexubuntu 6.06 is the best for a slower machine10:00
RabbitbunnyGood to know.10:00
vasilijejust turn off the screen locking after you install10:01
Rabbitbunnywhy would the screen ever lock?10:01
vasilijewell if you don't use the machine for a while it asks for your password, that's a screen saver option10:02
vasilijeit's turned on by default and it's very annoying10:03
Rabbitbunnyoh, Yeah I hate that. physical entry is not a huge security risk for me. The closest house is two miles.10:03
vasilijeand buggy10:03
RabbitbunnyI just wan it to sit there be quiet, run samba apache php mysql ventrilo and anything I decide to write all wile displaying wireshark.10:04
Rabbitbunnythat's it. no video editing. just sit there and shut up.10:04
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vasilijeIt'll do just fine10:05
Rabbitbunnyit it didn't get four or five viruses everyday like xphome it would be awesome too10:05
vasilijewell you don't have to worry about that10:06
Rabbitbunnymaybe even go ! when it sees some crazy network activity. '3000 DNS ptr's from one box in 12 seconds? throw up the ! flash the screen!'10:06
Rabbitbunnyohyeah, I bet *nix isn't going to get windows virii...10:07
vasilijethere's no way for that to happen10:09
Rabbitbunnyright, calls are entirly different.10:09
vasilijebut it can collapse under it's own weight, at least the GUI stuff, and if you're no propellerhead, it's off for a reinstall again10:10
Rabbitbunnymeh, as long as it's not planning on taking my files down with it... no biggy.10:11
RabbitbunnyOnce I install it I can do it a hundred million times.10:11
Rabbitbunnyeh, naptime.10:12
vasilijeyeah, I've some windows stuff to do10:12
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Rabbitnixlol, decided against the nap.10:21
RabbitbunnyWindows box10:23
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Rabbitnixoh, that looks odd.10:23
vasilijeI've no problem with windows, .NET pays the smokes10:26
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RabbitnixIt's soo easy to teach and quick to set up, that's the kety to it's dominance.10:26
vasilijehave you tried mac?10:27
RabbitnixHowever, I've quite an intrest in robotics, and you can't have a windows box running around the neighborhood.10:27
RabbitnixNot yet, easier?10:27
vasilijeif what you say is true, mac should be dominant10:27
Rabbitnixlol, it's for gimps eh?10:27
Rabbitnixthen again, until a few years ago mac was pushing the 'we got piktures nubs' campaign.10:27
vasilijeyeah, but you can also hack away with it all you want, a monster10:28
vasilijeI was very much against having a mac10:29
RabbitnixI've _got_ one... ] [e ftl :(10:29
vasilijeuntil... I got one :)10:29
Rabbitnixone of these days it's a fash tank, when I get off my ass and do it.10:30
Rabbitnixtypi8ng in the dary sucks.10:30
vasilijehave u used linux for a longer period?10:32
vasilijeyou are interested in making a robot run around on linux?10:33
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BWMerlinHi i have broken panel some how12:04
BWMerlini have managed to get to /usr/share/application and have opened xfce settings manager (nothing will open from a right click on the desktop) but i still can't open panel12:06
vasilijethe applications button is gone?12:06
vasilijeor the whole panel?12:06
BWMerlinthe whole panel ie. the top and bottom bars and it has taken right click with it (ie. nothing will launch from the right click menu)12:09
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Soliddoes xubuntu work with 32mo ram? With an alternate installer of course...?12:54
PumpernickelThe minimum amount I've seen is usually 64MB.12:58
SolidWin98 works fine with 32mo, i thought that would be the same with xfce...?01:03
pleia2Solid: you might want to try something line fluxbox instead01:05
pleia2in theory xfce could run on 32M, but it'd be pretty awful, even on my super slimmed down laptop w/ 128M of ram the lowest I've been able to get on-bootup to get with xfce is 36M of ram usage - and that's without thunar or cups running in the background01:06
pleia2or much at all running in the background, I shut down a lot of services to get that low01:07
pleia2no gdm, no xscreensaver, no hald01:07
Solidokay, i'll try01:08
BWMerlindoes anyone know how to restore panel?01:19
PumpernickelBWMerlin: alt + F2 should bring up a 'run' dialog; launch xfce4-panel from there.01:23
BWMerlincheers thats done the trick01:25
BWMerlinidk y it broke in the first place but thanks01:25
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vasilijedoes anyone know the difference in stability and performance between 6.06 and 6.10, should I expect more stable xfce if I upgrade to 6.10 for example? I've had it crash on me last time I installed01:46
TheSheepvasilije: both dapper and edgy use a beta version of xfce, feisty is the first one with a stable version, as far as I remember02:20
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vasilijehmmm... thanxs... what bugs me now is feisty's support for my pcimcia wireless lan card. When I boot the feisty ubuntu cd it has problems connecting on my access point, with dapper I don't have that problem. But it does find the name of the wireless network. Could this be because I'm low on RAM and the ubuntu feisty live cd uses too much of it?02:30
vasilijeand do you think I'll get some performance and stability advantages by upgrading from dapper to feisty?02:32
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TheSheepvasilije: stability yes, performance -- depends, don't know about hardware support, it changes from version to version rater randomly :(02:39
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sayersHello. Is there a minimum hardware / reccomended hardware page? I'm looking into buying an ancient laptop and want to know if I can use it04:06
TheSheepsayers: http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements04:07
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sayers128 ram will do then04:08
TheSheepsayers: minds it's *minimum*04:08
sayersI might use a lighter-distro04:09
TheSheepzippo-linux? ;)04:09
sayersI really am just running Firefox [or iceweasel]  and simple things04:09
TheSheepsayers: firefox is the most memory-hungry application ins the whole xubuntu04:09
sayershere are two laptops I'm looking at : http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140146999968 http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Tecra-8200-Laptop-1GHz-256MB-RAM-20GB-HD_W0QQitemZ140147104354QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item14014710435404:09
sayersTheSheep: yes, thats why I'd probably use something else.04:10
j1mcsayers: http://tinyurl.com04:14
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sayersj1mc: It still is considered less than !pastebin04:22
j1mcsayers: yeah, but i can't click on links from my console, so i have to copy and paste them.04:24
sayershighlight + middle mouse04:27
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ErikKI have a big problem...05:34
ErikKI really want to use Xubuntu on my old Laptop...05:34
ErikKProblem is that my BIOS is from 1999 and Xubuntu, as proberbly known, only supports an update from 2000...05:36
ErikKA newer BIOS haven't been made...05:36
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ErikKSo how can I possibly solve this problem...?05:36
Blue0ctaneHey. I'm very new to Xubuntu, just having downloaded the ISO last night. Everything works great, and I want to install it while formatting the rest of my hard drive (don't ask why). Is there a way to do this?05:37
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ErikKBlueOctane: You want to format your Harddrive and then install Xubuntu, is that correct...?05:38
ErikKIn that case you can format your HDD FOR GOOD with Killdisk...05:39
Blue0ctaneWhere might I find this application?05:39
ErikKI use it everytime I need to install an OS...05:39
ErikKAnd it feels like having a brand new HDD...05:40
Blue0ctaneNever mind. Googled it.05:40
Blue0ctaneThe problem is that my version of XP is so corrupted that I can't reach the log-in screen without a BSOD.05:40
ErikKBut I know a place where you can get a Virusfree ISO of Killdisk with alot of other app...05:41
ErikKSorry, I don't know the term BSOD...05:41
Blue0ctaneBlue Screen of Death.05:41
ErikKWhat does it mean...?05:41
Blue0ctaneBasically, my XP is screwed.05:42
ErikKI see...05:42
ErikKTry a small Win Dist...05:42
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ErikKTry install a new Win dist...05:42
ErikKWindows Distribution..05:43
Blue0ctaneOh, sorry.05:43
ErikKAn old Windows perhaps...05:43
Blue0ctaneOkay, thank you.05:43
ErikKIt should be a faster Installation than XP...05:43
ErikKDownload and make either a Floppy Version of Killdisk or the CDrom Version...05:44
ErikKActive@ also have a cool small burning program for ISOs...05:44
ErikKI leave it to you...05:45
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ErikKc ya...05:46
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wubinoobihullo... i know this is not ezackly on target, but i wonder if someone could tell me how to back up my windows docs so that i can go ahead and do full x install on my laptop.  it's just about 300 or so files in my docs, nothing heavy; no music, no video, no photos, just word and web files... i have never backed anything up since, well, ever... don't know how.06:21
wubinoobioh, did i mention i don't have a burner...06:22
TheSheepwubinoobi: pendrive?06:22
TheSheepwubinoobi: network connection?06:22
wubinoobibummer no burner06:22
wubinoobiya, network connected06:22
TheSheepwubinoobi: then copy it to some other box over the network06:23
wubinoobii have couple of small flash drives but i don't know how to determine how much space i need06:23
TheSheepno idea either, I'd assume that Windows displays file sizes somewhere, but you can never be sure06:24
wubinoobiTheSheep: i don't get it? whose box?06:24
TheSheepwubinoobi: yours, preferably06:24
TheSheepwubinoobi: or some friend of yours, maybe06:24
wubinoobii don't see any file sizes displayed06:24
TheSheepwubinoobi: you can also just try if they fit :)06:25
wubinoobido you mean to email them out?06:25
TheSheepwubinoobi: no, copy over samba or ftp or whatever06:25
wubinoobiomg.  tech panic attack.  don't know how. :)06:26
TheSheepwubinoobi: Refer to your user guide or call their support or something. They do have manuals and support, right?06:27
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wubinoobibe back in a few, gonna try and track down some flash...06:27
wubinoobiTheSheep: na, this old laptop's way out of support, no doubt06:27
predaeuswubinoobi, maybe you can zip it all up and put it at some file upload site http://www.google.com/search?&q=file%20upload&meta=   but be sure to chose one where your stuff is not publically accessible or so.06:28
TheSheepwubinoobi: but Microsoft still exists and supports their suftware?06:28
predaeusand where it will stay for at least a few days, in case something goes wrong with installing.06:28
wubinoobii bought it 2nd hand anyways... guess i have been lucky never to have lost things for not backing up06:28
wubinoobib back in a few06:29
TheSheepwubinoobi: you could also boot ubuntu livecd and use that -- it displays file sizes and all06:29
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razor111hi all07:02
razor111what does this mean? firefox is already running, but is not responding.To open a new window ...... bla bla bla..., i already restarted my computer but nothing change07:03
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zialsopen a terminal07:06
zialsand try07:06
zialskillall firefox07:06
zialserr...I mean, killall firefox-bin07:06
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razor111works, thanks, i hope it wont happend from now on07:10
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wubinoobiTheSheep: this is great.  i found a 128mb flash drive, on top of a bowl of magnets.  that's not good, is it?07:20
wubinoobii found a view of the files that does display file sizes, but not a total, guess i have to get a calculator and add them up... if a file says 27.5 kb how does that compare to a megabyte?07:20
wubinoobiis a megabyte 100 kb ?07:20
zialsa megabyte is... 1000 kb07:23
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hyper_chzials: nope07:25
hyper_chzials: it's 102407:25
zialsbeh... if you wanna get technical, sure >.<"07:26
hyper_chit's a fact... not technical ;)07:28
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kstrwhere can i change wich programs start with xubuntu please?07:46
Riot777kstr: xubuntu menu -> settings -> second option07:49
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kstrhmm... the add/remove programs always starts up with xubuntu, but it's not in that list... how come?07:50
galorinkstr, when logging out, you'll want to uncheckthe "save this session for future logins" box07:52
kstrsorry i'm a newbee07:54
galorin's ok.  I've been bit by that before, with the same program starting half a dozen times because of that little box07:54
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galorinxubuntu is cool, I run mythtv on top of it for a good media centre PC07:55
vasilijeanyone installed dapper on raid0 array?07:57
galorinYep, 0+1in fact. Pain in the neck to bring back to life though07:58
galorinwait, no.. that was my home dirs, the system itself was raid 507:59
hyper_chRiot777: you're a good-looking female?08:00
hyper_chRiot777: if so, I'm also a noob ;)08:01
Riot777unfortunetly not :P08:01
hyper_chanyone wants to debug some php? ^^08:01
kstrhow can i install an (old) scanner (via lpt)08:01
hyper_chwhat do you need a scanner for?08:02
hyper_chjust take a picture with your digital camera and upload that ;)08:02
kstrsnanning pictures and documents08:02
hyper_ch(that's how I "scan" documents)08:02
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Riot777kstr: what's the model of yar scanner ?08:09
kstrArtiscan 9600 pro08:10
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport08:10
hyper_chkstr: already checked there?08:11
kstris it for xubuntu also?08:11
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Riot777kstr: http://www2.autistici.org/tamarhack/wiki.htm08:13
hyper_chkstr: hardware is independent from the GUI08:13
hyper_chkstr: the underlaying system that runs the hardware is the same whether you run xfce, kde, gnome, enlightment, .....08:14
kstrso the drivers are the same also08:14
hyper_chkstr: yes, they are08:15
kstroh my, seems that the only option is to run it in wine... too bad08:16
hyper_chkstr: why? it's better than running it in a virtual computer like vmware ;)08:17
kstryeah but it would be better just to be able to use it normally in linux08:19
hyper_chkstr: what's normal about linux? ;)08:21
hyper_chany OP here?08:21
hyper_chOT: The coyote actually captures the road runner:  http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJW7EF5aVk08:22
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zorglu_q. i look for the ubuntu distro which use the smallest amount of ram. i bet on xubuntu. it comes in 2 versions alternate and desktop, which one should i choose ?08:24
hyper_chzorglu_: well, xubuntu isn't the smallest one on ram ;)08:27
zorglu_how much ram do i need to run it ?08:27
hyper_chzorglu_: 64mb for the alternate install08:27
hyper_chzorglu_: 128mb for the desktop cd08:27
kstri use xubuntu wioth 160 mb ram08:27
zorglu_hyper_ch: i plan to run it under virtualbox on a box with only 512mbyte08:27
zorglu_ok good enought for me :)08:28
hyper_chzorglu_: well, the desktop cd will afterwards also run on 64mb - just for running it and installtion it requires 128mb08:28
hyper_chzorglu_: I'd go for the alternate install cd, it is less troublesome for installation08:29
zorglu_hyper_ch: what do you mean by 'afterward' ? after what ?08:29
hyper_chzorglu_: after installation ;)08:29
zorglu_ah ok :)08:29
hyper_chzorglu_: but 64mb is slow08:29
hyper_chzorglu_: you could of course use an alternate desktop08:30
hyper_chzorglu_: that would improve speed quite a bit08:30
zorglu_well i think that's gonna be good engouth08:30
hyper_chzorglu_: :)08:30
zorglu_i just want to do some ssh on it08:30
hyper_chzorglu_: what do you need a gui then for?08:31
zorglu_just in case i got some stuff to do in it08:31
zorglu_i dont want to go 'offstream' if i hit an issue08:32
zorglu_most doc are about gui, so gui is the easiest to handle08:32
hyper_chzorglu_: most docs aren't about the gui :)08:33
hyper_chzorglu_: the man pages are really excellent08:33
TheSheepmost docs accessed from gui are about gui ;)08:33
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vasilijeand most docs accessed by not-gui are08:34
zorglu_well i wont argue with the quality of man page :)08:34
zorglu_lets say it shows its age :)08:34
zorglu_no hyperlink, poorly written08:35
zorglu_ok ok sorry, i dont want to argue about it :)08:35
zorglu_forget i said that08:35
TheSheepobviously you never read any08:35
zorglu_ok more imporant cdimage.ubuntu.com just stopped the cd transfert in the middle :)08:35
hyper_chzorglu_: if you just want to ssh into it, I really wonder why you want a gui08:35
hyper_chzorglu_: resume it08:35
hyper_chzorglu_: or use torrent instead08:36
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zorglu_cool resumed it with succees08:36
hyper_chzorglu_: just make a md5 check once you got the image to verify everything is clean08:37
hajhousethe online manual of xfwm for xfce4.2 discusses a panel in the wm keybinding configuration gui for application-launcher bindings. anyone know why this panel is missing from xubuntu 7.04's xfce?08:37
zorglu_hyper_ch: yep md5sum in progress08:37
zorglu_and md5 matches! :)08:38
hyper_chzorglu_: now burn it not quicker than 4x08:39
zorglu_hyper_ch: virtualbox is able to boot it from the fs :)08:39
hyper_chzorglu_: ah yeah, forgot ;)08:39
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zorglu_hyper_ch: how large should be the disk to install xubuntu on ?08:41
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hyper_chzorglu_: depends what you want to do ;)08:41
zorglu_aka how large should be the 'partition'08:41
zorglu_hyper_ch: minimal stuff to play with08:42
hyper_chzorglu_: 4b should be fine then I think08:42
hyper_chzorglu_: 4gb08:42
zorglu_4gb is the small ? :)08:42
zorglu_wow :)08:42
hyper_chzorglu_: maybe less...08:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about minimum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:42
zorglu_ok i will try with 4gbyte. ubuntu installer doesnt allows to choose the install componants, correct ?08:43
hyper_chzorglu_: nope, it doesn't08:43
TheSheephyper_ch: on xubuntu.org/get08:43
hyper_chTheSheep: why doesn't ubotu know about it?08:43
hyper_chzorglu_: and you need a swap partition08:43
zorglu_To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk. <- from http://xubuntu.org/get08:43
TheSheephyper_ch: because ubotu is global, for all *buntu channels08:43
hyper_chTheSheep: well, it could add a factoid for each distro08:44
zorglu_it is possible to put stuff for your special channel tho08:44
hyper_chzorglu_: it's 1.5 GB at least08:44
zorglu_it it explained in ubotu docs08:44
TheSheepzorglu_: then do it08:44
zorglu_#ubuntu-meeting got it for !schedule for example08:44
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hyper_chwow, ubuntulinux.nl isn't working08:47
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hyper_chanyone here proficient at CSS?08:58
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larryForgive me if this is heresy, but is there a way to get Java on Xubuntu 7.04?09:09
hyper_chlarry: sure, just install it09:10
rswolffhow to I edit my $PATH variable and persist it in multiple shells09:10
larryOkay, dumb question. Do you know where I can find a faq about it?09:10
hyper_chlarry: hmmm, have you opened add/remove programs?09:11
larryyes, but when I did a search for java, nothing came up09:11
hyper_chlarry: I guess you have to enable the other repositories09:11
hyper_chlarry: multiverse I think might be it09:11
larryi'll try that. Thanks.09:12
hyper_chrswolff: if you alter the $PATH variable on a running system, shouldn't it then always be the new one, no matter what shell?09:12
ricihyper_ch: $PATH is an environment variable.09:13
riciit's not a system configuration09:13
rswolffhyper_ch: I used the export command to add a new directory to my path statement, but when I close the terminal, and re-open it, my edits are gone09:13
hyper_chrici: I know... but sure you can alter it on the system09:13
hajhouseTheSheep: i think my problem with nonworking utf8 in xfce4-terminal is due to Xserver misconfiguration. the program works properly when run on the machine with the breakage over ssh -X displaying on the other machine.09:14
ricino, you can't. you can edit the shell startup command to set it09:14
hyper_chrswolff: no clue... never played with that09:14
rswolffrici: any thoughts?09:14
riciwell, that was my thought :)09:14
rswolffrici: how can I add a directory to my path variable so that it stays09:15
ricisee .bashrc for example09:15
riciin your home directory09:15
rswolffrici: can I just put the export statement in .bashrc?09:15
riciyes, .bashrc is executed whenever bash starts a shell09:15
rswolffrici: what is .bash_profile?09:16
riciit's the actual file which is run.09:16
ricithe first thing it does is execute .bashrc09:16
ricithe bash startup sequence is a little complex.09:16
riciman bash for details, but you'll get an awful lot of them09:17
rswolffI have a generic install of xubuntu 7, and I don't see a .bash_profile09:17
rswolffrici: I had to create one manually09:17
ricidid you have a .bashrc?09:17
ricithe files which are put by default into a newly-created user directory are in /etc/skel09:18
rswolffrici: I did have a .bashrc09:19
ricithe startup details are in man bash: /INVOCATION to find the section where they're all described09:19
ricibasically, .bash_profile is used for login shells and .bashrc is used for interactive non-login shells.09:20
ricithat's confusing, and generally .bash_profile does the stuff that should only be done at login, and then calls .bashrc09:21
riciso you'd usually have both, but i don't have a pristine install any more so i can't tell you what to expect.09:21
ricithere are also system-wide files in /etc09:21
zorglu_just put it in .profile :)09:22
ricithat works, too.09:23
zorglu_just a old bourne shell reflex :)09:23
zorglu_serious how linux has become now... im installing windows XP on a remote computer via virtual box :)09:24
rswolffzorglu_: where is .profile?09:24
zorglu_that's confort :)09:24
zorglu_rswolff: ~/.profile09:24
ricirswolff: these are all in your home directory09:24
zorglu_rswolff: or /home/rswolf/.profile09:24
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rswolffzorglu_, rici: thanks09:25
zorglu_rswolff: it will be launched. dont worry about the file not being there in the first place09:25
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highvoltagehello Ben_Cs09:33
Ben_Cswhat's up?09:33
zorglu_the xubuntu 7.04 cd got a VGA option on boot. is it well supported ? i just choose 800x600 and the screen seems to be a 1024x768 with me viewing only the first 800x600 :)09:37
zorglu_aka an offset of it09:37
zorglu_q. the alternate cd version got a text installer correct ?09:39
zorglu_it isnt a livecd ?09:39
highvoltagezorglu_: yep09:39
zorglu_yep to both ?09:39
highvoltagezorglu_: (it uses text-based debian-installer and is not a livecd)09:39
zorglu_ah ok thanks :)09:39
highvoltageyou're welcome.09:40
zorglu_im trying to launch a terminal under the livecd, what is the name of the apps ?09:42
zorglu_not konsole, im sure :)09:43
j1mcyou're welcome, zorglu_ :)09:46
j1mci think that xterm, a more basic terminal, is also installed by default on all versions of ubuntu09:47
highvoltageyes, xterm is.09:49
highvoltagexfterm4 has better features though :)09:49
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Ben_Csanyone tried gutsy tribe 4?10:01
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