[01:06] <hsdyhfg> my network card doesnt look like its compatible
[01:06] <BFTD> really?
[01:06] <BFTD> whats wrong?
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> well i was installing xubuntu on my laptop earlier on
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> and everything looked fine
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> until
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> BAM
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> !
[01:07] <BFTD> !
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> the internet didnt work
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> .
[01:07] <BFTD> nuclear explosion?
[01:07] <BFTD> oh
[01:07] <hsdyhfg> so i tried reinstalling it
[01:08] <BFTD> does it show up in lspci?
[01:08] <hsdyhfg> erm
[01:08] <hsdyhfg> let me see
[01:09] <hsdyhfg> erm
[01:09] <hsdyhfg> typed it in
[01:09] <hsdyhfg> and its got lots of 1s and 0s and stuff
[01:09] <hsdyhfg> but no error messages :S
[01:10] <BFTD> pastebin it
[01:10] <BFTD> "lspci" in terminal?
[01:10] <BFTD> without quotes
[01:10] <hsdyhfg> yep
[01:10] <hsdyhfg> i cant paste coz im using a different pc
[01:11] <hsdyhfg> but the ethernet bit says
[01:12] <hsdyhfg> 000:00:12:0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 74)
[01:12] <BFTD> yuck
[01:12] <BFTD> VIA sucks
[01:12] <BFTD> but ok
[01:12] <BFTD> what does "ifconfig" say?
[01:13] <hsdyhfg> erm
[01:14] <BFTD> does it show eth0?
[01:14] <hsdyhfg> cant see eth0 anywhere
[01:15] <hsdyhfg> oh yea
[01:15] <hsdyhfg> whoops
[01:15] <hsdyhfg> yep
[01:15] <hsdyhfg> it does
[01:15] <hsdyhfg> all looks fine
[01:15] <BFTD> ok
[01:16] <hsdyhfg> is "interrupt" bad?
[01:16] <BFTD> how and where do you get your internet?
[01:16] <BFTD> and how does it get to this computer?
[01:16] <hsdyhfg> k
[01:16] <hsdyhfg> im on a different pc running shitty windows atm
[01:17] <hsdyhfg> cos i cant use my laptop because the network card isn't working on xubuntu
[01:17] <hsdyhfg> its all plugged into one hub, which goes off towards internet
[01:17] <BFTD> is it a hub or a router?
[01:18] <hsdyhfg> erm
[01:18] <hsdyhfg> hub then router
[01:18] <BFTD> ok
[01:18] <BFTD> so is the router set to DHCP?
[01:18] <hsdyhfg> im pretty sure it is
[01:19] <BFTD> ok
[01:19] <BFTD> unplug the cable and plug it back in
[01:19] <hsdyhfg> lol
[01:19] <hsdyhfg> kk
[01:19] <BFTD> do you see any link lights on the card?
[01:21] <hsdyhfg> nope, there arent any lights on the card but the one on the hub is flashing
[01:21] <hsdyhfg> when i installed it
[01:21] <hsdyhfg> an error message came up at startup
[01:22] <hsdyhfg> but when i reboot
[01:22] <hsdyhfg> the error doesn't show anymore
[01:23] <hsdyhfg> im gonna reinstall it
[01:23] <hsdyhfg> and type the error
[01:26] <hsdyhfg> no state is present for card V8235
[01:26] <hsdyhfg> no state is present for modem
[01:26] <BFTD> not sure
[01:27] <hsdyhfg> ahh kk
[01:27] <hsdyhfg> i'll post something on the forums no doubt
[01:27] <hsdyhfg> cheers anyways
[01:45] <cclampblues> anyone awake in here?
[01:45] <vidd_laptop> what up
[01:47] <Jester45> vidd did you get the server working or you just gonna wait till you go to work again
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> wait till i get to work
[01:47] <vidd_laptop> the game is on
[01:47] <Jester45> k
[01:47] <Jester45> just wondering
[01:53] <hsdyhfg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3179246#post3179246
[01:54] <hsdyhfg> if anyone can help on this i would be very greatfull
[01:54] <hsdyhfg> laters
[02:21] <Rabbitbunny> I'm trying to install from livecd, My display is limited to 640*480. How do I install?
[02:28] <Jester45> you could try the better alt cd
[02:29] <Jester45> shouldnt you beable to install anyways
[02:30] <Rabbitbunny> You have to click on things to install. I can't see anything.
[02:32] <Rabbitbunny> I'm going to choke someone if I need to dl another cd. My burner is on my server. which is supposed to be getting a new OS right now.
[02:40] <Rabbitbunny> Okay. What if I just reconfigure xorg, how would I restart it?
[02:40] <zials> ctrl + alt + backspace
[02:41] <Rabbitbunny> ty
[02:45] <Rabbitbunny> uh.. where would aI type that?
[03:18] <suebuntu> hi guys... as we speak i am waiting for the last couple of minutes for the ALTERNATE INSTALL cd for x to burn...  can anyone give me any tips i might need for the install?  will the installer tell me what commands to enter?  will the installer tell me how to make my swap and main partitions?
[04:33] <cameron_> Azureous crashes on startup, I've reinstalled Azurous, and it still crashes, I do have to torrent set to download to a ntfs partition, but I have ntfs-config and it is set to write
[04:37] <Pumpernickel> If you launch it from a terminal, what does it print as it crashes?
[04:37] <Pumpernickel> (Use pastebin if it's more than a line.)
[04:39] <Jester45> cameron_, did you remove and delete the config for it.
[04:56] <cameron_> sry, back, didn't know anyone was on XD
[04:56] <cameron_> I removed it, and jave
[04:56] <cameron_> java
[04:57] <cameron_> it said blackjava 1.4 had an error
[04:59] <cameron_> would installing java 6 work?
[05:00] <Pumpernickel> Kinda hard to say, without knowing what the actual error was.
[05:00] <cameron_> merry christmas: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33529/
[05:01] <cameron_> XD
[05:02] <cameron_> I already uninstalled Blackdown-1.4.2-02
[05:05] <cameron_> so should I download sun java 6 from the repos?
[05:06] <Pumpernickel> bug 105816
[05:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105816 in azureus "Azureus crashes after start" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105816
[05:07] <Pumpernickel> bug 57875
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus hangs or crashes showing splash screen at start" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57875
[05:07] <cameron_> 1st one
[05:08] <cclampblues> yo
[05:09] <Pumpernickel> The trace is similar for both.
[05:09] <Pumpernickel> The second link has more information on the nature of the problem, the first has more information on the fix.
[05:11] <cameron_> I downloaded the .jar file from Azurouses website, how do I install it?
[05:14] <cclampblues> just tap the lid with the back of a knife, then twist
[05:15] <cclampblues> pour contents into power supply fan (you may need to tilt the case or use an angled funnel)
[05:21] <cclampblues> does anyone know how to set up this whole internet thing - only without the goddamn wires?
[05:23] <cclampblues> the little light is blinking alright, but no internet
[05:23] <cameron_> WIfi
[05:23] <Pumpernickel> cameron_: First link, third reply.
[05:23] <cameron_> ???
[05:23] <cclampblues> this was not a problem with that edgy elf but this fiesty fawn is a bitch
[05:24] <Pumpernickel> !language | cclampblues
[05:24] <ubotu> cclampblues: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:24] <cclampblues> !anything
[05:24] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[05:24] <cclampblues> lol.
[05:25] <cclampblues> !rollover
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rollover - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <cclampblues> still a stupid robot
[05:25] <cclampblues> i know i get it pumper
[05:25] <cclampblues> sorry
[05:26] <cclampblues> in all seirousness the fawn hates my wireless connection.
[05:27] <cclampblues> but the elf had no problems.
[05:28] <cclampblues> I go to network settings and i show two wireless networks
[05:28] <cclampblues> i configured one, then the other, then both, and nothing
[05:29] <cclampblues> ok thats not enitrely true. when i set up (wlan0) the light on my pcmcia (did i meantion its a laptop?) wifi card blinks: activity but no love from firefox, gaim, etc.
[05:31] <cclampblues> anyone have any suggestions? if not i will just keep playing with the robot....................
[05:31] <cclampblues> after all someone needs to teach it some new tricks
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> !wifi
[05:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:33] <Pumpernickel> The 'supported hardware' wiki may have documentation re: what it takes to get your wifi hardware working in Feisty.
[05:35] <cclampblues> yeah, i appriciate that, but why would one device be supported in fiesty but not edgy?
[05:35] <cclampblues> err. vice versa rather
[05:36] <cameron_> I have Azureus3.0.1.6.jar on my desktop, when I run cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ java Azureus3.0.1.6.jar
[05:36] <cameron_> , I get cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ java Azureus3.0.1.6.jar
[05:38] <Pumpernickel> I'd be surprised if it wasn't supported in Feisty.  Most wifi problems are just configuration problems.
[05:39] <cclampblues> thats what i think the case is here. but i am at a loss as what could be the problem.
[05:39] <Pumpernickel> That's why I recommended the 'supported hardware' wiki.  It often shows what it takes to make it work.
[05:40] <cclampblues> right but my device is not listed
[05:40] <cclampblues> i have/am reading the wiki
[05:40] <Pumpernickel> What is it?
[05:42] <cclampblues> an smc pcmcia card
[05:42] <Pumpernickel> Model?
[05:43] <cclampblues> smc2635w
[05:45] <cclampblues> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7525.html
[05:46] <cclampblues> but it worked like magic with the edgy elf.
[05:46] <mikubuntu> heeeelllllp please with install from alternate cd.  I am at the partitioner and its telling me b4 the LVM can b configd, current scheme has to b written to disk... the partition tables of following devices are changed: scsi1 (0,0,0) (sda)  do i want to proceed and write the changes?
[05:48] <mikubuntu> or i can 'go back' ... i'm lost
[05:48] <Pumpernickel> If it's going to be set up the way you want, go ahead.
[05:48] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: i don't have a pref as long as it's correct for sys
[05:50] <mikubuntu> i am not trying to save any files or data, complete writeover win98
[05:52] <mikubuntu> am i safe to proceed here, or should i go back to Option 1: Guided, recize scsi1, partition #5,sda, and used freed space; or, Option 2: Guided: use entire disk; or Option 3: Guided, use entire disk and set up LVM
[05:53] <Pumpernickel> Set it up however you want.
[05:54] <mikubuntu> its a 10.3 hard drive, and 64 ram; does that make any diff as to choice?
[05:55] <cclampblues> i entered iwconfig in terminal.... what is the difference between lo wmaster0 and wlan0
[05:55] <cclampblues> ?
[05:55] <mikubuntu> there must be some reason x is offering the choice, can someone shed some lite for me?
[05:56] <Pumpernickel> LVM is unnecessary for a disk config that small; it only really becomes useful with multiple partitions/disks.
[05:57] <Pumpernickel> The rest pretty much explains itself - one option to use the entire disk, the other to use just the unused space on it.
[05:58] <Pumpernickel> cclampblues: lo is your loopback interface.  wlan0 should be your wireless interface.
[05:59] <cclampblues> loopback?
[06:00] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: sounds like you're saying to go with door number two
[06:01] <mikubuntu> so now it's creating ext3, and then swapfile ... what's the purpose of the swap?
[06:03] <cclampblues> is there a terminal command to setup wlan0 directly. it shows as 0 quality, signal and noise
[06:03] <cclampblues> i did setup wlan0 through the network settings gui dialog
[06:05] <Pumpernickel> There's ifconfig/iwconfig.
[06:08] <mikubuntu> pumpernickel: can you tell me anything about the GRUB error 18?  we completed an install of x on her computer, but when she tried to boot got that error message; i have her on the phone...
[06:09] <Pumpernickel> mikubuntu: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Stage2-errors
[06:11] <cclampblues> well thanks for your help pumperkickel,,,,,,, keep at it tomorrow...
[06:15] <mikubuntu> Pumpernickel: thanks, i'll send it to her
[06:20] <Chriswaterguy> hi... having problem creating a file system. I'm installing Xubuntu from the Desktop CD (which I burned last night after doing a checksum)
[06:22] <Chriswaterguy> I get an error message: "Failed to create a file system. The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed."
[06:22] <cellofellow> so, that means mkfs-ext3 /dev/sda1 failed for some reason.
[06:22] <cellofellow> mkfs.ext3 rather
[06:23] <cameron_> I have java 6, how do I install a .jar program with it?
[06:23] <cellofellow> cameron_: I'd try java thefile.jar
[06:24] <Chriswaterguy> I'm installing on a Lenovo Thinkpad R60.
[06:25] <cameron_> cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ java Azureus3.0.1.6.jar
[06:25] <cameron_> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Azureus3/0/1/6/jar
[06:25] <cameron_> cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$
[06:25] <Chriswaterguy> cellofellow: Do you mean the disk failed?
[06:25] <Chriswaterguy> Any suggestions?
[06:25] <cellofellow> brb, sorry
[06:28] <Jester45> cameron_, try using the linux download and run the sh script
[06:30] <cameron_> ?
[06:31] <Jester45> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/azureus/Azureus_2.5.0.4_linux.tar.bz2?download
[06:32] <Jester45> or if your amd64
[06:32] <cameron_> no, intel P D
[06:32] <alnokta> what font do you use for user interface settings?
[06:32] <cameron_> Azurous 3.0 is out though
[06:33] <cameron_> Azureus3.0.1.6.jar is what I have, but then how do I install the bz2 file???????/
[06:33] <Jester45> yea...
[06:33] <Jester45> 3.0 is poop
[06:34] <Jester45> un untar
[06:34] <Chriswaterguy> (I may have an answer - going to follow the last post in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/5296 )
[06:34] <Jester45> then goto the folder it makes from the untaring
[06:34] <Jester45> then run the script
[06:34] <Jester45> its named azureus i think
[06:35] <cameron_> cameron@ubuntu:~/Desktop$ un untar Azureus_2.5.0.4_linux.tar.bz2
[06:35] <cameron_> bash: un: command not found
[06:35] <Jester45> tar -xvvjf Azureus_2.5.0.4_linux.tar.bz2
[06:36] <alnokta> ? i mean what do you prefer ;)
[06:36] <Jester45> alnokta, i use 9 point
[06:36] <Jester45> sana
[06:36] <Jester45> sans
[06:37] <cameron_> kk, I got the uncompressed folder, now I would like to install...
[06:37] <alnokta> Jester45, thanks :)
[06:37] <Jester45> cameron_, thats the stuff
[06:37] <cameron_> hostis
[06:37] <Jester45> there is not installing
[06:37] <Jester45>  go into the foler
[06:37] <cameron_> click the exe?
[06:37] <mikubuntu> can someone tell me; is BIOS hardware or software?  how do i 'flash' a BIOS to update it (an old laptop is not allowing me to get to the page for boot options)
[06:37] <Jester45> and run the script
[06:37] <Jester45> no
[06:38] <Jester45> the file named azureus or Azureus it will have a icon that looks like a white peice of paper with a light gray gear on it
[06:38] <alnokta> Jester45, is there a page 'whats new' for gutsy?
[06:38] <Jester45> if your using defualt icons
[06:39] <cameron_> ary, g2g, but THANK YOU, I NEEEDED some torrents ;)
[06:39] <Jester45> cam
[06:39] <Jester45> darn
[06:39] <Jester45> if anyone sees him again tell him to try deluge
[06:43] <Jester45> alnokta, idk feel free to find with google or on the wiki
[06:46] <mikubuntu> can someone tell me; is BIOS hardware or software?  how do i 'flash' a BIOS to update it (an old laptop is not allowing me to get to the page for boot options)
[06:47] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: BIOS is Basic Input/Output System. It is a basic system for configuring the hardware.
[06:47] <cellofellow> to flash the bios, you need a floppy, but idk how.
[06:47] <cellofellow> !bios
[06:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bios - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:48] <cellofellow> blasted bot
[06:48] <cellofellow> !BIOS
[06:48] <Jester45> its half software...
[06:48] <cellofellow> more like firmware
[06:48] <Jester45> yea
[06:48] <Jester45> some older computers cant be updated
[06:49] <Jester45> its like a kernel but lower level... but im guessing you dont know what those are
[06:50] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: thanks.  so if it can't be updated, i wonder ... i bought this hard drive 2.5" enclosure one button backup thing ... can i take the hd out of the aforementioned machine, attach it to another, install xub, and then put it back in the machine with any hope for success?
[06:50] <Jester45> depends on the machines
[06:50] <Jester45> are the the same hardware
[06:51] <cellofellow> mikubuntu: if you don't customize the hardware settings, should work mostly.
[06:51] <mikubuntu> hmmmm.... ok
[06:51] <Jester45> well biggest thing are they both intel or amd
[06:51] <Jester45> you might need to reset the video settings
[06:51] <mikubuntu> ok.  is amd what they refer to as 64 bit?
[06:52] <Jester45> yea
[06:52] <Jester45> well
[06:52] <Jester45> someof them
[06:52] <Jester45> what amd is it
[06:52] <cellofellow> AMD is a company like Intel. AMD came up with the x86_64 stuff first, so it gets called amd64 a lot.
[06:52] <cellofellow> but amd makes normal x86_32 stuff too.
[06:53] <mikubuntu> i don't know if i have amd on any of them; do all the mfgs make machines using either or?
[06:53] <mikubuntu> like does dell make some 64bit and some intel?
[06:53] <cellofellow> most are Intel-only shops, actually.
[06:53] <Jester45> it should be fine
[06:53] <Jester45> just get the 32bit one
[06:53] <cellofellow> Dell has lots of Intel 32 and 64, plus a bit of AMD 32 and 64.
[06:53] <mikubuntu> so the amd is a rarer find
[06:53] <cellofellow> smaller company.
[06:54] <Jester45> the 64bit cpu should have the 32bit compatiblity
[06:54] <cellofellow> only popular with the masses in recent years.
[06:54] <cellofellow> If it's an AMD or Intel 64 bit CPU, it has 32 bit compatibily.
[06:55] <cellofellow> other brands don't bother with backwards compatibility, like IBM PowerPC and Sun SPARC 64bit versions don't work with the older 32bit.
[06:55] <mikubuntu> hmmmmm ... ok... i seee the software install on the desktop i'm trying to do is at 94%... i wish i thought it would be a flawless install, but i'm kinda dreading the end....
[06:55] <mikubuntu> 97% and 'cleaning up'
[06:56] <Jester45> dreading what?
[06:56] <mikubuntu> that there won't be a successful 'out of the box' install
[06:57] <mikubuntu> we've been trying to get x on my friends machine for three days, and she keeps having to go back livecd
[06:58] <mikubuntu> omg, its doing the 'grub' install now.  that's where her prob has been, on boot says grub error 18, and won't boot
[06:59] <cellofellow> grub has good docs
[06:59] <mikubuntu> rebooting now, cross fingers for me plz
[07:00] <mikubuntu> if it works it will be mom's introduction to the early 21st century
[07:09] <mikubuntu> wow.  xubuntu loaded up perfectly, or it seems to have at least, and this is a lot older and smaller system than my friends that we've been having so much trouble with.  gonna cut out and give it a test ride, thanks for all your help guys.
[07:10] <mikubuntu> ooops, but wait; one more question ... where do i go to set screen parameters?  the word 'application' is cut off the top left of the screen, is there a way to adjust?
[07:11] <cellofellow> should be monitor options
[07:11] <cellofellow> the OSD
[07:11] <mikubuntu> cellofellow: thanks, i'll go check it out
[07:28] <anandanbu> How to add Pidgin in the top panel if xubuntu 7.04
[07:54] <mikubuntu> hmmmmm.... just got done installing x on a hp pav 6635, with a win98 sticker on it, and seems to be a good install all around. abiword renders well, but openoffice is a graphic mess.  i obviously don't want this machine for 'gaming' in any modern sense of the word, but i thought mom could play her card games on it at least.  but when i try to install, or enable ANY of the games on the installed list, i get a msg that it's not s
[07:54] <mikubuntu> upported for this machine ... ?  is it possible that it won't support a game of solitaire???
[08:30] <voldermort> How to remove an item from the top panel in xubuntu 7.04
[09:05] <Rabbitbunny> Hmm, second problem. It fails to partition my drive without giving a specific error.
[09:05] <Rabbitbunny> It reads the drive, see all my files.
[09:21] <vasilije> it happened to me once, just reboot
[09:21] <Rabbitbunny> Okay.
[09:24] <Rabbitbunny> it laughed and did it again.
[09:25] <Rabbitbunny> for some reason my ide drive is scsi now. interesting.
[09:51] <vasilije> what exaclty are you trying to do? install?
[09:52] <Rabbitbunny> Yes.
[09:53] <vasilije> what version? xubuntu? 6.06?
[09:53] <Rabbitbunny> xubuntu.... newest stable.
[09:54] <vasilije> 7.04?
[09:54] <Rabbitbunny> yeah, 7.04 live cd
[09:54] <Rabbitbunny> "desktop"
[09:55] <vasilije> hmmm... I didn't even give it a try, the live cd didn't recognize my picmcia wifi card. But the 6.06 does, go figure
[09:56] <vasilije> so I'd recommend you stick to 6.06
[09:56] <vasilije> it's most stable from what I understand
[09:56] <Rabbitbunny> Okay. I'll download yet another cd.
[09:57] <Rabbitbunny> This is really the part that annoys the hell out of me. spend two hours downloading, try to install, spend two hours downloading different cd...
[09:58] <Rabbitbunny> wait, six hours now. somebody is killing my pipe
[10:00] <vasilije> yeah, I went through that hell on the weekend, only to get back to xubuntu 6.06 again. Xserver crashed cuz of a screen lock (screen saver) bug while I was updating, I've all the ubuntu/xubuntu versions on cd now
[10:00] <vasilije> xubuntu 6.06 is the best for a slower machine
[10:00] <Rabbitbunny> ah.
[10:00] <Rabbitbunny> Good to know.
[10:01] <vasilije> just turn off the screen locking after you install
[10:01] <Rabbitbunny> why would the screen ever lock?
[10:02] <vasilije> well if you don't use the machine for a while it asks for your password, that's a screen saver option
[10:03] <vasilije> it's turned on by default and it's very annoying
[10:03] <Rabbitbunny> oh, Yeah I hate that. physical entry is not a huge security risk for me. The closest house is two miles.
[10:03] <vasilije> and buggy
[10:04] <Rabbitbunny> I just wan it to sit there be quiet, run samba apache php mysql ventrilo and anything I decide to write all wile displaying wireshark.
[10:04] <Rabbitbunny> that's it. no video editing. just sit there and shut up.
[10:05] <vasilije> It'll do just fine
[10:05] <Rabbitbunny> it it didn't get four or five viruses everyday like xphome it would be awesome too
[10:06] <vasilije> well you don't have to worry about that
[10:06] <Rabbitbunny> maybe even go ! when it sees some crazy network activity. '3000 DNS ptr's from one box in 12 seconds? throw up the ! flash the screen!'
[10:07] <Rabbitbunny> ohyeah, I bet *nix isn't going to get windows virii...
[10:09] <vasilije> there's no way for that to happen
[10:09] <Rabbitbunny> right, calls are entirly different.
[10:10] <vasilije> but it can collapse under it's own weight, at least the GUI stuff, and if you're no propellerhead, it's off for a reinstall again
[10:11] <Rabbitbunny> meh, as long as it's not planning on taking my files down with it... no biggy.
[10:11] <Rabbitbunny> Once I install it I can do it a hundred million times.
[10:12] <Rabbitbunny> eh, naptime.
[10:12] <vasilije> yeah, I've some windows stuff to do
[10:21] <Rabbitnix> lol, decided against the nap.
[10:23] <Rabbitbunny> Windows box
[10:23] <Rabbitnix> Server.
[10:23] <Rabbitnix> oh, that looks odd.
[10:25] <vasilije> mmm
[10:26] <vasilije> I've no problem with windows, .NET pays the smokes
[10:26] <Rabbitnix> lol
[10:26] <Rabbitnix> It's soo easy to teach and quick to set up, that's the kety to it's dominance.
[10:27] <vasilije> have you tried mac?
[10:27] <Rabbitnix> However, I've quite an intrest in robotics, and you can't have a windows box running around the neighborhood.
[10:27] <Rabbitnix> Not yet, easier?
[10:27] <vasilije> if what you say is true, mac should be dominant
[10:27] <Rabbitnix> lol, it's for gimps eh?
[10:27] <Rabbitnix> then again, until a few years ago mac was pushing the 'we got piktures nubs' campaign.
[10:28] <vasilije> yeah, but you can also hack away with it all you want, a monster
[10:28] <Rabbitnix> intresting.
[10:28] <Rabbitnix> *interesting
[10:29] <vasilije> I was very much against having a mac
[10:29] <Rabbitnix> I've _got_ one... ] [e ftl :(
[10:29] <vasilije> until... I got one :)
[10:30] <Rabbitnix> one of these days it's a fash tank, when I get off my ass and do it.
[10:30] <Rabbitnix> *fish.
[10:30] <Rabbitnix> typi8ng in the dary sucks.
[10:32] <vasilije> have u used linux for a longer period?
[10:33] <vasilije> you are interested in making a robot run around on linux?
[12:04] <BWMerlin> Hi i have broken panel some how
[12:06] <BWMerlin> i have managed to get to /usr/share/application and have opened xfce settings manager (nothing will open from a right click on the desktop) but i still can't open panel
[12:06] <vasilije> the applications button is gone?
[12:06] <vasilije> or the whole panel?
[12:09] <BWMerlin> the whole panel ie. the top and bottom bars and it has taken right click with it (ie. nothing will launch from the right click menu)
[12:54] <Solid> does xubuntu work with 32mo ram? With an alternate installer of course...?
[12:58] <Pumpernickel> The minimum amount I've seen is usually 64MB.
[01:03] <Solid> Win98 works fine with 32mo, i thought that would be the same with xfce...?
[01:05] <pleia2> Solid: you might want to try something line fluxbox instead
[01:05] <pleia2> s/line/like
[01:06] <pleia2> in theory xfce could run on 32M, but it'd be pretty awful, even on my super slimmed down laptop w/ 128M of ram the lowest I've been able to get on-bootup to get with xfce is 36M of ram usage - and that's without thunar or cups running in the background
[01:07] <pleia2> or much at all running in the background, I shut down a lot of services to get that low
[01:07] <pleia2> no gdm, no xscreensaver, no hald
[01:08] <Solid> okay, i'll try
[01:08] <Solid> thanks
[01:19] <BWMerlin> does anyone know how to restore panel?
[01:23] <Pumpernickel> BWMerlin: alt + F2 should bring up a 'run' dialog; launch xfce4-panel from there.
[01:25] <BWMerlin> cheers thats done the trick
[01:25] <BWMerlin> idk y it broke in the first place but thanks
[01:46] <vasilije> does anyone know the difference in stability and performance between 6.06 and 6.10, should I expect more stable xfce if I upgrade to 6.10 for example? I've had it crash on me last time I installed
[02:20] <TheSheep> vasilije: both dapper and edgy use a beta version of xfce, feisty is the first one with a stable version, as far as I remember
[02:30] <vasilije> hmmm... thanxs... what bugs me now is feisty's support for my pcimcia wireless lan card. When I boot the feisty ubuntu cd it has problems connecting on my access point, with dapper I don't have that problem. But it does find the name of the wireless network. Could this be because I'm low on RAM and the ubuntu feisty live cd uses too much of it?
[02:32] <vasilije> and do you think I'll get some performance and stability advantages by upgrading from dapper to feisty?
[02:39] <TheSheep> vasilije: stability yes, performance -- depends, don't know about hardware support, it changes from version to version rater randomly :(
[04:06] <sayers> Hello. Is there a minimum hardware / reccomended hardware page? I'm looking into buying an ancient laptop and want to know if I can use it
[04:07] <TheSheep> sayers: http://xubuntu.org/get#requirements
[04:08] <sayers> Okay
[04:08] <sayers> 128 ram will do then
[04:08] <TheSheep> sayers: minds it's *minimum*
[04:09] <sayers> Yes
[04:09] <sayers> I might use a lighter-distro
[04:09] <TheSheep> zippo-linux? ;)
[04:09] <sayers> I really am just running Firefox [or iceweasel]  and simple things
[04:09] <TheSheep> sayers: firefox is the most memory-hungry application ins the whole xubuntu
[04:09] <sayers> here are two laptops I'm looking at : http://cgi.ebay.com/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140146999968 http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Tecra-8200-Laptop-1GHz-256MB-RAM-20GB-HD_W0QQitemZ140147104354QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item140147104354
[04:10] <sayers> TheSheep: yes, thats why I'd probably use something else.
[04:14] <j1mc> sayers: http://tinyurl.com
[04:22] <sayers> j1mc: It still is considered less than !pastebin
[04:24] <j1mc> sayers: yeah, but i can't click on links from my console, so i have to copy and paste them.
[04:27] <sayers> highlight + middle mouse
[05:34] <ErikK> Hey...
[05:34] <ErikK> I have a big problem...
[05:34] <ErikK> I really want to use Xubuntu on my old Laptop...
[05:36] <ErikK> Problem is that my BIOS is from 1999 and Xubuntu, as proberbly known, only supports an update from 2000...
[05:36] <ErikK> A newer BIOS haven't been made...
[05:36] <ErikK> So how can I possibly solve this problem...?
[05:37] <Blue0ctane> Hey. I'm very new to Xubuntu, just having downloaded the ISO last night. Everything works great, and I want to install it while formatting the rest of my hard drive (don't ask why). Is there a way to do this?
[05:38] <ErikK> BlueOctane: You want to format your Harddrive and then install Xubuntu, is that correct...?
[05:38] <Blue0ctane> Correct.
[05:39] <ErikK> In that case you can format your HDD FOR GOOD with Killdisk...
[05:39] <Blue0ctane> Where might I find this application?
[05:39] <ErikK> I use it everytime I need to install an OS...
[05:40] <ErikK> And it feels like having a brand new HDD...
[05:40] <Blue0ctane> Never mind. Googled it.
[05:40] <ErikK> Yes...
[05:40] <Blue0ctane> The problem is that my version of XP is so corrupted that I can't reach the log-in screen without a BSOD.
[05:41] <ErikK> But I know a place where you can get a Virusfree ISO of Killdisk with alot of other app...
[05:41] <ErikK> Sorry, I don't know the term BSOD...
[05:41] <Blue0ctane> Blue Screen of Death.
[05:41] <ErikK> What does it mean...?
[05:41] <ErikK> Ahh...
[05:42] <Blue0ctane> Basically, my XP is screwed.
[05:42] <ErikK> I see...
[05:42] <ErikK> Try a small Win Dist...
[05:42] <Blue0ctane> Pardon?
[05:42] <ErikK> Try install a new Win dist...
[05:43] <ErikK> Windows Distribution..
[05:43] <Blue0ctane> Oh, sorry.
[05:43] <ErikK> An old Windows perhaps...
[05:43] <Blue0ctane> Okay, thank you.
[05:43] <ErikK> It should be a faster Installation than XP...
[05:44] <ErikK> Download and make either a Floppy Version of Killdisk or the CDrom Version...
[05:44] <ErikK> Active@ also have a cool small burning program for ISOs...
[05:45] <ErikK> I leave it to you...
[05:45] <ErikK> :D
[05:46] <ErikK> c ya...
[06:21] <wubinoobi> hullo... i know this is not ezackly on target, but i wonder if someone could tell me how to back up my windows docs so that i can go ahead and do full x install on my laptop.  it's just about 300 or so files in my docs, nothing heavy; no music, no video, no photos, just word and web files... i have never backed anything up since, well, ever... don't know how.
[06:22] <wubinoobi> oh, did i mention i don't have a burner...
[06:22] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: pendrive?
[06:22] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: network connection?
[06:22] <wubinoobi> bummer no burner
[06:22] <wubinoobi> ya, network connected
[06:23] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: then copy it to some other box over the network
[06:23] <wubinoobi> i have couple of small flash drives but i don't know how to determine how much space i need
[06:24] <TheSheep> no idea either, I'd assume that Windows displays file sizes somewhere, but you can never be sure
[06:24] <wubinoobi> TheSheep: i don't get it? whose box?
[06:24] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: yours, preferably
[06:24] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: or some friend of yours, maybe
[06:24] <wubinoobi> i don't see any file sizes displayed
[06:25] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: you can also just try if they fit :)
[06:25] <wubinoobi> do you mean to email them out?
[06:25] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: no, copy over samba or ftp or whatever
[06:26] <wubinoobi> omg.  tech panic attack.  don't know how. :)
[06:27] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: Refer to your user guide or call their support or something. They do have manuals and support, right?
[06:27] <wubinoobi> be back in a few, gonna try and track down some flash...
[06:27] <wubinoobi> TheSheep: na, this old laptop's way out of support, no doubt
[06:28] <predaeus> wubinoobi, maybe you can zip it all up and put it at some file upload site http://www.google.com/search?&q=file%20upload&meta=   but be sure to chose one where your stuff is not publically accessible or so.
[06:28] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: but Microsoft still exists and supports their suftware?
[06:28] <predaeus> and where it will stay for at least a few days, in case something goes wrong with installing.
[06:28] <wubinoobi> i bought it 2nd hand anyways... guess i have been lucky never to have lost things for not backing up
[06:29] <wubinoobi> b back in a few
[06:29] <wubinoobi> thanks
[06:29] <TheSheep> wubinoobi: you could also boot ubuntu livecd and use that -- it displays file sizes and all
[07:02] <razor111> hi all
[07:03] <razor111> what does this mean? firefox is already running, but is not responding.To open a new window ...... bla bla bla..., i already restarted my computer but nothing change
[07:03] <razor111> ?
[07:06] <zials> mhmm...
[07:06] <zials> open a terminal
[07:06] <zials> and try
[07:06] <zials> killall firefox
[07:06] <zials> err...I mean, killall firefox-bin
[07:10] <razor111> works, thanks, i hope it wont happend from now on
[07:20] <wubinoobi> TheSheep: this is great.  i found a 128mb flash drive, on top of a bowl of magnets.  that's not good, is it?
[07:20] <wubinoobi> :)
[07:20] <wubinoobi> i found a view of the files that does display file sizes, but not a total, guess i have to get a calculator and add them up... if a file says 27.5 kb how does that compare to a megabyte?
[07:20] <wubinoobi> is a megabyte 100 kb ?
[07:23] <zials> a megabyte is... 1000 kb
[07:25] <hyper_ch> zials: nope
[07:25] <hyper_ch> zials: it's 1024
[07:26] <zials> beh... if you wanna get technical, sure >.<"
[07:28] <hyper_ch> it's a fact... not technical ;)
[07:46] <kstr> where can i change wich programs start with xubuntu please?
[07:49] <Riot777> kstr: xubuntu menu -> settings -> second option
[07:50] <kstr> hmm... the add/remove programs always starts up with xubuntu, but it's not in that list... how come?
[07:52] <galorin> kstr, when logging out, you'll want to uncheckthe "save this session for future logins" box
[07:53] <kstr> oh
[07:54] <kstr> sorry i'm a newbee
[07:54] <galorin> 's ok.  I've been bit by that before, with the same program starting half a dozen times because of that little box
[07:55] <galorin> xubuntu is cool, I run mythtv on top of it for a good media centre PC
[07:55] <kstr> hehe
[07:56] <Riot777> agree
[07:57] <vasilije> anyone installed dapper on raid0 array?
[07:58] <galorin> Yep, 0+1in fact. Pain in the neck to bring back to life though
[07:59] <galorin> wait, no.. that was my home dirs, the system itself was raid 5
[08:00] <hyper_ch> Riot777: you're a good-looking female?
[08:00] <Riot777> lol
[08:01] <hyper_ch> Riot777: if so, I'm also a noob ;)
[08:01] <Riot777> unfortunetly not :P
[08:01] <Riot777> :(
[08:01] <hyper_ch> ^^
[08:01] <hyper_ch> anyone wants to debug some php? ^^
[08:01] <Riot777> haha
[08:01] <kstr> how can i install an (old) scanner (via lpt)
[08:02] <hyper_ch> what do you need a scanner for?
[08:02] <hyper_ch> just take a picture with your digital camera and upload that ;)
[08:02] <kstr> snanning pictures and documents
[08:02] <hyper_ch> (that's how I "scan" documents)
[08:09] <Riot777> kstr: what's the model of yar scanner ?
[08:10] <kstr> Artiscan 9600 pro
[08:10] <hyper_ch> !hardware
[08:10] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:11] <hyper_ch> kstr: already checked there?
[08:11] <kstr> is it for xubuntu also?
[08:12] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:13] <Riot777> kstr: http://www2.autistici.org/tamarhack/wiki.htm
[08:13] <hyper_ch> kstr: hardware is independent from the GUI
[08:14] <hyper_ch> kstr: the underlaying system that runs the hardware is the same whether you run xfce, kde, gnome, enlightment, .....
[08:14] <kstr> ok
[08:14] <kstr> so the drivers are the same also
[08:15] <hyper_ch> kstr: yes, they are
[08:16] <kstr> oh my, seems that the only option is to run it in wine... too bad
[08:17] <hyper_ch> kstr: why? it's better than running it in a virtual computer like vmware ;)
[08:19] <kstr> yeah but it would be better just to be able to use it normally in linux
[08:21] <hyper_ch> kstr: what's normal about linux? ;)
[08:21] <hyper_ch> any OP here?
[08:21] <kstr> hehe
[08:22] <hyper_ch> OT: The coyote actually captures the road runner:  http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJW7EF5aVk
[08:24] <zorglu_> q. i look for the ubuntu distro which use the smallest amount of ram. i bet on xubuntu. it comes in 2 versions alternate and desktop, which one should i choose ?
[08:27] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: well, xubuntu isn't the smallest one on ram ;)
[08:27] <zorglu_> how much ram do i need to run it ?
[08:27] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: 64mb for the alternate install
[08:27] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: 128mb for the desktop cd
[08:27] <kstr> i use xubuntu wioth 160 mb ram
[08:27] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: i plan to run it under virtualbox on a box with only 512mbyte
[08:28] <zorglu_> ok good enought for me :)
[08:28] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: well, the desktop cd will afterwards also run on 64mb - just for running it and installtion it requires 128mb
[08:29] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: I'd go for the alternate install cd, it is less troublesome for installation
[08:29] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: what do you mean by 'afterward' ? after what ?
[08:29] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: after installation ;)
[08:29] <zorglu_> ah ok :)
[08:29] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: but 64mb is slow
[08:30] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: you could of course use an alternate desktop
[08:30] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: that would improve speed quite a bit
[08:30] <zorglu_> well i think that's gonna be good engouth
[08:30] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: :)
[08:30] <zorglu_> i just want to do some ssh on it
[08:31] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: what do you need a gui then for?
[08:31] <zorglu_> just in case i got some stuff to do in it
[08:32] <zorglu_> i dont want to go 'offstream' if i hit an issue
[08:32] <zorglu_> most doc are about gui, so gui is the easiest to handle
[08:33] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: most docs aren't about the gui :)
[08:33] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: the man pages are really excellent
[08:33] <TheSheep> most docs accessed from gui are about gui ;)
[08:34] <vasilije> and most docs accessed by not-gui are
[08:34] <zorglu_> well i wont argue with the quality of man page :)
[08:34] <zorglu_> lets say it shows its age :)
[08:35] <zorglu_> no hyperlink, poorly written
[08:35] <zorglu_> ok ok sorry, i dont want to argue about it :)
[08:35] <zorglu_> forget i said that
[08:35] <TheSheep> obviously you never read any
[08:35] <zorglu_> ok more imporant cdimage.ubuntu.com just stopped the cd transfert in the middle :)
[08:35] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: if you just want to ssh into it, I really wonder why you want a gui
[08:35] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: resume it
[08:36] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: or use torrent instead
[08:36] <zorglu_> cool resumed it with succees
[08:37] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: just make a md5 check once you got the image to verify everything is clean
[08:37] <hajhouse> the online manual of xfwm for xfce4.2 discusses a panel in the wm keybinding configuration gui for application-launcher bindings. anyone know why this panel is missing from xubuntu 7.04's xfce?
[08:37] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: yep md5sum in progress
[08:38] <zorglu_> and md5 matches! :)
[08:39] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: now burn it not quicker than 4x
[08:39] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: virtualbox is able to boot it from the fs :)
[08:39] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: ah yeah, forgot ;)
[08:41] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: how large should be the disk to install xubuntu on ?
[08:41] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: depends what you want to do ;)
[08:41] <zorglu_> aka how large should be the 'partition'
[08:42] <zorglu_> hyper_ch: minimal stuff to play with
[08:42] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: 4b should be fine then I think
[08:42] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: 4gb
[08:42] <zorglu_> 4gb is the small ? :)
[08:42] <zorglu_> wow :)
[08:42] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: maybe less...
[08:42] <hyper_ch> !requirements
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about requirements - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <hyper_ch> !minimum
[08:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about minimum - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <zorglu_> ok i will try with 4gbyte. ubuntu installer doesnt allows to choose the install componants, correct ?
[08:43] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: nope, it doesn't
[08:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: on xubuntu.org/get
[08:43] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: why doesn't ubotu know about it?
[08:43] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: and you need a swap partition
[08:43] <zorglu_> To install Xubuntu, you need 1.5 GB of free space on your hard disk. <- from http://xubuntu.org/get
[08:43] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: because ubotu is global, for all *buntu channels
[08:44] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, it could add a factoid for each distro
[08:44] <zorglu_> it is possible to put stuff for your special channel tho
[08:44] <hyper_ch> zorglu_: it's 1.5 GB at least
[08:44] <zorglu_> it it explained in ubotu docs
[08:44] <TheSheep> zorglu_: then do it
[08:44] <zorglu_> #ubuntu-meeting got it for !schedule for example
[08:47] <hyper_ch> wow, ubuntulinux.nl isn't working
[08:58] <hyper_ch> anyone here proficient at CSS?
[09:09] <larry> Forgive me if this is heresy, but is there a way to get Java on Xubuntu 7.04?
[09:10] <hyper_ch> larry: sure, just install it
[09:10] <rswolff> how to I edit my $PATH variable and persist it in multiple shells
[09:10] <larry> Okay, dumb question. Do you know where I can find a faq about it?
[09:11] <hyper_ch> larry: hmmm, have you opened add/remove programs?
[09:11] <larry> yes, but when I did a search for java, nothing came up
[09:11] <hyper_ch> larry: I guess you have to enable the other repositories
[09:11] <hyper_ch> larry: multiverse I think might be it
[09:12] <larry> i'll try that. Thanks.
[09:12] <larry> Bye
[09:12] <hyper_ch> rswolff: if you alter the $PATH variable on a running system, shouldn't it then always be the new one, no matter what shell?
[09:13] <rici> hyper_ch: $PATH is an environment variable.
[09:13] <rici> it's not a system configuration
[09:13] <rswolff> hyper_ch: I used the export command to add a new directory to my path statement, but when I close the terminal, and re-open it, my edits are gone
[09:13] <hyper_ch> rici: I know... but sure you can alter it on the system
[09:14] <hajhouse> TheSheep: i think my problem with nonworking utf8 in xfce4-terminal is due to Xserver misconfiguration. the program works properly when run on the machine with the breakage over ssh -X displaying on the other machine.
[09:14] <rici> no, you can't. you can edit the shell startup command to set it
[09:14] <hyper_ch> rswolff: no clue... never played with that
[09:14] <rswolff> rici: any thoughts?
[09:14] <rici> well, that was my thought :)
[09:15] <rswolff> rici: how can I add a directory to my path variable so that it stays
[09:15] <rici> see .bashrc for example
[09:15] <rici> in your home directory
[09:15] <rswolff> rici: can I just put the export statement in .bashrc?
[09:15] <rici> yes, .bashrc is executed whenever bash starts a shell
[09:16] <rswolff> rici: what is .bash_profile?
[09:16] <rici> it's the actual file which is run.
[09:16] <rici> the first thing it does is execute .bashrc
[09:16] <rici> the bash startup sequence is a little complex.
[09:17] <rici> man bash for details, but you'll get an awful lot of them
[09:17] <rswolff> I have a generic install of xubuntu 7, and I don't see a .bash_profile
[09:17] <rswolff> rici: I had to create one manually
[09:17] <rici> did you have a .bashrc?
[09:18] <rici> the files which are put by default into a newly-created user directory are in /etc/skel
[09:19] <rswolff> rici: I did have a .bashrc
[09:19] <rici> the startup details are in man bash: /INVOCATION to find the section where they're all described
[09:20] <rici> basically, .bash_profile is used for login shells and .bashrc is used for interactive non-login shells.
[09:21] <rici> that's confusing, and generally .bash_profile does the stuff that should only be done at login, and then calls .bashrc
[09:21] <rici> so you'd usually have both, but i don't have a pristine install any more so i can't tell you what to expect.
[09:21] <rici> there are also system-wide files in /etc
[09:22] <zorglu_> just put it in .profile :)
[09:23] <rici> that works, too.
[09:23] <zorglu_> just a old bourne shell reflex :)
[09:24] <zorglu_> serious how linux has become now... im installing windows XP on a remote computer via virtual box :)
[09:24] <rswolff> zorglu_: where is .profile?
[09:24] <zorglu_> that's confort :)
[09:24] <zorglu_> rswolff: ~/.profile
[09:24] <rici> rswolff: these are all in your home directory
[09:24] <zorglu_> rswolff: or /home/rswolf/.profile
[09:25] <rswolff> zorglu_, rici: thanks
[09:25] <zorglu_> rswolff: it will be launched. dont worry about the file not being there in the first place
[09:32] <Ben_Cs> hello
[09:33] <highvoltage> hello Ben_Cs
[09:33] <Ben_Cs> what's up?
[09:37] <zorglu_> the xubuntu 7.04 cd got a VGA option on boot. is it well supported ? i just choose 800x600 and the screen seems to be a 1024x768 with me viewing only the first 800x600 :)
[09:37] <zorglu_> aka an offset of it
[09:39] <zorglu_> q. the alternate cd version got a text installer correct ?
[09:39] <zorglu_> it isnt a livecd ?
[09:39] <highvoltage> zorglu_: yep
[09:39] <zorglu_> yep to both ?
[09:39] <highvoltage> zorglu_: (it uses text-based debian-installer and is not a livecd)
[09:39] <zorglu_> ah ok thanks :)
[09:40] <highvoltage> you're welcome.
[09:42] <zorglu_> im trying to launch a terminal under the livecd, what is the name of the apps ?
[09:43] <zorglu_> not konsole, im sure :)
[09:45] <j1mc> xfce4-terminal
[09:46] <zorglu_> htanks
[09:46] <j1mc> you're welcome, zorglu_ :)
[09:47] <j1mc> i think that xterm, a more basic terminal, is also installed by default on all versions of ubuntu
[09:49] <highvoltage> yes, xterm is.
[09:49] <highvoltage> xfterm4 has better features though :)
[10:01] <Ben_Cs> anyone tried gutsy tribe 4?
[11:43] <slow-motion> n8