[08:07] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, wake up!!
[09:07] <zsh> hi all
[09:09] <RichEd> hi zsh
[10:15] <JonNoob> Need help.... I've setup samba on my Edubuntu feisty server. It is setup to authenticate users with my Active Directory. It works great except my users can't access their home from windows.
[10:28] <zsh> it is not direct edubuntu related, but does someone know, how I can start a hidden xterm, without a WM?
[10:40] <encompass> zsh: what do you mean by hidden?
[10:43] <zsh> I try to start an NX-client on a LTSP-gutsy thinclient, and I need to start nxclient from an xterm
[10:43] <zsh> it works, but now I have an xterm ontop of my NX-Session
[10:44] <zsh> I can resize xterm to 1x1, but 1x1 I can still see
[10:45] <ogra> zsh, what for do you need that term hidden ?
[10:45] <ogra> or better, do you need the X server visible ?
[10:45] <ogra> (you could use Xvfb to start X apps hidden)
[10:46] <ogra> but xvfb means no display at all
[10:46] <zsh> can the hidden X-app start a visible X-app?
[10:46] <ogra> no
[10:47] <ogra> what do you want to achieve ?
[10:47] <stgraber> zsh: can't you do : DISPLAY=:6 nxclient ?
[10:47] <ogra> oh
[10:47] <zsh> I try to explain the whole problem
[10:48] <ogra> wha cant you start it from a session script ?
[10:48] <ogra> *why
[10:48] <zsh> the "solution" with xterm is only a hack
[10:49] <ogra> have a look at the scripts in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/
[10:49] <zsh> if I start nxclient with DISPLAY=:6 it starts
[10:49] <ogra> thats what you can use with the SCREEN_xx variables
[10:49] <zsh> I get the gui, for configuration and login
[10:49] <zsh> ogra, I understand this
[10:49] <ogra> so grab one of these scripts, implement that proper in it and we can add it to ltsp ;)
[10:50] <ogra> so users can install xn client and set SCREEN_07=nx
[10:50] <zsh> and after the login-windows, the NX-client start a few other processes
[10:50] <zsh> ogra, yeah I did all that, but listen
[10:51] <zsh> nxclient starts e.g. nxssh
[10:51] <zsh> und the NX-Xserver
[10:51] <ogra> locally ?
[10:51] <zsh> I dont know how this get started
[10:51] <zsh> yes
[10:52] <zsh> if I start the NX-client within xterm it all works
[10:52] <zsh> if I start it with "xterm ../path/to/nxclient" only the login screen works
[10:53] <zsh> if I start it with "xterm -hold ../path/to/nxclient" everythin works
[10:53] <zsh> can someone understand this?
[10:53] <zsh> it took me more then 3 hours :(
[10:55] <zsh> but, with the current solution I have a xterm on top of my NX-session
[10:55] <zsh> does anyone need more infos, to understand?
[10:57] <zsh> btw, I start nxclient with: xterm -hold -e /bin/bash -l -c "`/usr/NX/bin/nxclient`"
[10:57] <zsh> and this works
[10:57] <zsh> I know it looks ugly
[10:58] <ogra> well ...
[10:58] <ogra> it should work without the xterm ...
[10:59] <zsh> it is the nxclient from nomachine version 3.0, and the logs only say, that there is a problem with the display
[10:59] <zsh> I tried it also with screen, instead of xterm
[10:59] <zsh> but no success
[11:00] <ogra> well :6 should work ...
[11:00] <zsh> ...
[11:00] <zsh> I get to login-window from nxclient, with no problems
[11:05] <zsh> after the login-windows closes, the nxclient-process quits, but it starts new processes, but the new processes do not know ":6", I think
[11:08] <stgraber> zsh: can you force it not to start a new process on exit ?
[11:08] <stgraber> zsh: if yes, you can then do a "while" loop launching it again with the correct DISPLAY set
[11:15] <zsh> stgraber, hmm, I don't know how
[11:16] <stgraber> ok, well if it quits the loop idea should work anyway
[11:16] <ogra> right
[11:17] <zsh> ok, I don't understand, a loop arround nxclient?
[11:17] <stgraber> while true
[11:17] <stgraber> do
[11:17] <ogra> in the screen script, yes
[11:17] <stgraber> DISPLAY=:6 nxclient ....
[11:17] <stgraber> done
[11:17] <stgraber> so nxclient is relaunched when it exits
[11:17] <ogra> jinty, hey
[11:18] <jinty> hoi ogra
[11:18] <stgraber> ogra: oh, and something I came across and posted here (I don't know if you have read), can you add a : cp /etc/apt/apt.conf $ROOT/etc/apt/
[11:18] <ogra> jinty, is there any way to use your new packages with the existing zope in ubuntu ?
[11:18] <stgraber> ogra: before apt-get update
[11:18] <stgraber> ogra: in the ltsp script ?
[11:18] <stgraber> ogra: I had some problem with proxy here
[11:18] <zsh> but do I want this? If I start nxclient again I will get the login screen again
[11:19] <jinty> ogra: you mean zope 3.3, I don't think so
[11:19] <ogra> stgraber, yes, i noticed your request ... did you open a bug for it as well ?
[11:19] <stgraber> ogra: fakeroot works fine, but not the apt-get update inside of the chroot (the proxy settings being stored in apt.conf and not taken from HTTP_PROXY)
[11:19] <ogra> jinty, hmmm, youre zope packages are alpha ...
[11:20] <stgraber> ogra: hmm, no. Will do and attach the line to add
[11:20] <ogra> stgraber, thanks :)
[11:20] <jinty> ogra: yep, we're kinda waiting for zope, their rlease date was a few months ago
[11:21] <ogra> jinty, i cant break our zope atm ... if we get a new one i csan consider schooltool, but i wont move the alpha version in ...
[11:21] <ogra> meh
[11:23] <zsh> ogra, nxclient has also an "--display" option if I start it with "--display :6.0" still no success
[11:25] <stgraber> ogra: bug 132397
[11:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132397 in ltsp "[Gutsy]  Proxy not working with ltsp-build-client" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132397
[11:54] <zsh> is there a way to shift a xwindows in the background without WM?
[12:01] <ogra> stgraber, thanks
[02:08] <zsh> ping ogra
[02:09] <ogra> zsh, pong
[02:09] <zsh> ogra, can I start more then one app with xinit?
[02:10] <ogra> throught ~/.xsession, yes
[02:10] <ogra> or a screen script
[02:10] <zsh> in my screen script, I have:
[02:10] <zsh> /usr/bin/xinit      /usr/NX/bin/nxclient-wrapper           \
[02:11] <zsh> and the next is "-- \" and so on
[02:11] <ogra> why to you call xinit at all ?
[02:11] <zsh> hmm, it is the only way I know :)
[02:12] <ogra> well, in any case it should work
[02:12] <ogra> have you ghad a look at the rdesktop script ?
[02:13] <zsh> my wrapper script contains (don't laugh): xterm -bg gray -hold -geometry 0x0-0-300 -e /bin/bash -l -c "`/usr/NX/bin/nxclient`"
[02:13] <zsh> but I don't want this extra script
[02:14] <ogra> while :; do /usr/bin/xinit /usr/NX/bin/nxclient; done
[02:14] <ogra> try that one
[02:15] <ogra> probably add an EXPORT DISPLAY=:6 in front of it
[02:15] <ogra> err
[02:15] <zsh> hmm, th rdesktop script has more then one argument, so it should also work for me, I try it
[02:15] <ogra> non capitalized export
[02:16] <zsh> "export DISPLAY=:6 while :; do /usr/bin/xinit /usr/NX/bin/nxclient; done" should do the whole magic?
[02:16] <ogra> something like that, yes
[02:16] <zsh> I try it
[02:17] <ogra> you need a semicolon before the while if you want it as one liner
[02:17] <zsh> TTY is not needed?
[02:17] <zsh> and DISP?
[02:17] <ogra> it should work without it ... for proper integration tty should be set to 7
[02:18] <ogra> but thats nothing you need for it to initially work
[02:18] <zsh> rebuidling ...
[02:19] <zsh> it is very strange
[02:19] <zsh> I haven't tried "export DISPLAY=:6" but I am not very optimistic
[02:20] <zsh> with the xterm solution I have a 10x16 pixel failure :)
[02:22] <ogra> anyway ...
[02:22] <zsh> :( syntax error
[02:22] <zsh> ... while ; do ...?
[02:23] <ogra> while :; do
[02:23] <ogra> "while :" means forever in this case
[02:23] <ogra> see above you need one in front of the while if you run export before and want to keep it as one liner
[02:24] <ogra> s/one/one semicolon/
[02:24] <ogra> export DISPLAY=:6; while :; do /usr/bin/xinit /usr/NX/bin/nxclient; done
[02:25] <zsh> rebuilding...
[02:25] <ogra> man xinit might also help ...
[02:26] <ogra> <-- really off now for 1h ors so
[02:27] <zsh> ok
[02:27] <zsh> want to you wait for 1 minute?
[02:31] <zsh> ogra, it doesn't work, same problem
[02:55] <JonNoob> HELP... I have problem with some users unable to login. I have integrated my edubuntu Feisty server with my Win2003 AD. Itappears in auth.log, that they are granted access and that i sessionopens for them, but the client just blinks black screen shortly and then returns to the login screen...
[04:02] <sbalneav> ogra: Monring
[04:02] <sbalneav> err Morning
[04:02] <stgraber> hi sbalneav
[04:02] <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
[05:15] <ogra> hey sbalneav
[05:15] <ogra> new ldm2 mergeable ?
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya
[06:18] <ogra> bug 129421
[06:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129421 in sabayon "sabayon is not purged correctly when uninstalling" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129421
[06:18] <ogra> bug 91589
[06:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91589 in sabayon "[apport]  sabayon-apply crashed with TypeError in dprint()" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91589
[08:27] <sbalneav> ogra: You about?
[08:44] <LaserJock> RichEd: ping
[09:16] <lns> Anyone know what the gconf key is to disable fade-to-black upon logout?
[09:16] <lns> i know this is the default w/thin clients
[10:54] <lns> how can I get a commodore 64 to be a thin client?
[10:54] <lns> ;) j/k