[12:31] <jdong> Riddell: kinda a late answer, but yeah, the second upload of ktorrent (-0ubuntu3) was confirmed to close bug 130300 by several people
[12:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130300 in feisty-backports "[gutsy]  ktorrent 2.2.1-0ubuntu1 crash when I quit the program when uPnP plugin is loaded" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130300
[04:46] <nixternal> what happened to openoffice.org base?
[04:47] <nixternal> seeing as we got rid of kexi as our default dbase app
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: morning.. I'm preparing that list of files now
[09:32] <Riddell> great
[09:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yea sorry for not providing it earlier, but had to attend to family stuff
[09:36] <Riddell> fair enough
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the other updates I got today in lpia were they because of the changes to the packages you uploaded ?
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: because of dependencies I mean..
[09:39] <Riddell> dunno, depends on what the updates were
[09:39] <_StefanS_> uhm ok..
[09:39] <_StefanS_> argh.. seems like the new updates has screwed up includes for gcc
[09:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: /usr/include/bits/types.h:31:20: error: stddef.h: No such file or directory
[09:40] <_StefanS_> and bunch of other stuff as well
[09:40] <_StefanS_> hmm
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.... great.
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: know where to start ? libstdc++ is installed
[10:05] <_StefanS_> hey hobbs
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hi _StefanS_
[10:09] <Riddell> g++ installed?
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: linux-headers, libstdc++* , glibc
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: gcc3, gcc4.x, g++
[10:17] <_StefanS_> I dont get it
[10:22] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what are you trying to compile?
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: digikam, libnjb.. nothing works anymore
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: cant even compile simple c++ programs
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: checking if C++ programs can be compiled... no :)
[10:26] <Riddell> "error: stddef.h: No such file or directory" hmm
[10:26] <_StefanS_> yea..
[10:29] <Riddell> njb is complaining about no libusb headers
[10:32] <_StefanS_> yep
[10:32] <_StefanS_> but I thats even when they're installed :)
[10:32] <Riddell> go complain to doko I guess
[10:33] <_StefanS_> done..
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: whats inifinity's mail address?
[10:34] <Riddell> adam.conrad@ whatever
[10:34] <Riddell> doko@ubuntu too
[10:34] <Riddell> (for doko obviously)
[10:37] <_StefanS_> yep ok
[10:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: adam.conrad<at>ubuntu.com ?
[10:42] <Riddell> yes
[10:43] <_StefanS_> mail sent.
[10:43] <Riddell> mepis's KDE 4 CD uses my KDE 4 packages, despite slagging off Ubuntu and changing to Debian
[10:43] <Riddell> oh and there's no source for them
[10:44] <_StefanS_> not really professional is it ? :)
[10:44] <_StefanS_> guess thats a breach in GPL as well..
[10:45] <Riddell> somehow kicker seems to be working though
[10:45] <_StefanS_> shouldn't it?
[10:45] <Riddell> didn't for me
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: doko is looking into that wierd build issue.. its gcc-4.2 that has problems
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hope that mail I sent is somehow understandable. Atleast you have debdiff this time :)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just change them to work only with kubuntu :P
[10:48] <_StefanS_> I can help with introducing random bugs if its not running on kubuntu :D
[10:48] <Hobbsee> that's the one
[10:48] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh doko found the bug
[11:25] <Riddell> glatzor: software-properties-gtk --no-update  still does an update on close
[11:30] <glatzor> Riddell: indeed. this is a bug.
[11:32] <Riddell> glatzor: I'm implementing the opposite for -kde (so it has an update option), want me to implement --no-update for gtk?
[11:36] <glatzor> Riddell: we could also remove the option at all.
[11:39] <Riddell> glatzor: I need it for calling from adept, it has its own updater
[11:39] <glatzor> but this would require to patch the synaptic patch
[11:39] <glatzor> Riddell: the gtk frontend only performs a check if there isn't any transient_for
[11:40] <glatzor> but this is wrong
[11:43] <glatzor> Thanks for pointing me at this
[11:44] <glatzor> Riddell: the infimport module of guidance does not get shipped in the guidance-backends
[11:44] <glatzor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/131669
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131669 in kde-guidance "guidance-backends does not include the new infimport module" [Undecided,New] 
[11:45] <Riddell> let me fix that
[12:13] <Riddell> glatzor: you didn't add it to setup.py so it wasn't being installed.  fixed in svn and uploaded to ubuntu
[12:15] <glatzor> Riddell: oh, I mainly work in a displayconfig only subtree. :)
[12:16] <Riddell> :)
[02:07] <Riddell> no amarok packaging volunteers yet?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> seems not
[02:10] <Riddell> I'll do it thursday morning if nobody has stepped up by then
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: check with imbrandon, i guess, but feel free to take it
[02:20] <\sh> amarok? new version for gutsy or updates for feisty?
[02:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: networkstatus still depends on kdepimmacros.h.. how to do solve that the easiest way ? (I'm getting good progress on compiling it, btw)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: the former
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm talking about kdelibs+networkstatus, in case you forgot about it :D
[02:24] <Riddell> \sh: gutsy
[02:25] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if it's just a bunch of macros you could probably just copy the .h files to kdelibs?
[02:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'll try that.
[02:25] <\sh> Riddell: Let me check this evening at home :) hopefully my buildserver is back then
[02:28] <Riddell> \sh: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/amarok/1.4.7/src/amarok-1.4.7.tar.bz2 is where it's at
[02:28] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems to work now. Just put kdepimmacros.h in networkstatus/ dir. It actually just includes two regular .h files (kdeversion, kdemacros.h + a define check)
[02:28] <Riddell> although that location (on a public ftp server) is top secret
[02:29] <_StefanS_> I guess if you told him now, you have to kill him :D
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there's something seriously wrong with that statement...
[02:30] <\sh> Riddell, noted
[02:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tis not for us to question the wisdom of apachelogger
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: indeed.
[02:39] <apachelogger_> hm
[02:39] <apachelogger_> oh
[02:39] <apachelogger_> eh
[02:39] <apachelogger_> lol :P
[02:40] <apachelogger_> Riddell: gotta change that for .8 or 2.0 beta1, whichever comes first
[02:40] <apachelogger_> yesterday some news sites told 1.4.7 was out
[02:40] <apachelogger_> so either we have a mole or they just watched the server
[02:40] <apachelogger_> though I think the latter might be a boring job
[02:40] <Hobbsee> apachelogger_: wasnt me...
[02:41] <Hobbsee> yes, yes, it's all jdong's fault.
[02:41] <Hobbsee> !jdong | jdong
[02:41] <ubotu> jdong: jdong is Hobbsee: jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[02:41] <apachelogger_> markey is already investigating!
[02:45] <Riddell> these things are scriptable
[02:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: the correct way to do it is to just change the permissions to not be chown ftprelease:packages and not be readable to other
[02:47] <Riddell> infact it already is, so just chmod 660
[02:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I'm not sure whether everyone who gets packaging notifiation for amarok has an packager account on ktown
[02:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do you know if 'networkstatustestservice' is needed from networkstatus ?
[02:48] <apachelogger> I guess I'll just store the next release on amarok.kde.org until official release
[02:48] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I've no idea
[02:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its put under noinst_PROGRAMS in the Makefile.in
[02:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: although the networkstatus.install seems to want to install it
[02:49] <Riddell> probably not then
[02:49] <_StefanS_> thanks for the help :D
[02:49] <_StefanS_> and all the fish.
[02:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: should I strip out the .svn entries from inside networkstatus/ or do you want to keep them for reference?
[02:59] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I don't want them
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, I'll just remove them.
[03:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: any way to recover when the diff's arent reversible in the source?
[03:00] <Riddell> work out why they aren't?
[03:00] <Riddell> debian/patches/*log
[03:00] <Riddell> something will have edited one of the files
[03:01] <_StefanS_> yes.. the file cant be found. Great.
[03:01] <_StefanS_> I'm just going to piece a new archive together
[03:02] <_StefanS_> cant bothered to figure that out
[03:06] <viviersf> is beagle or tracker gonna be installed by default in gutsy ?
[03:06] <manchicken> Is koffice2 alpha2 included in the kde4 packages?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> viviersf: tracker is already in ubuntulog
[03:07] <Hobbsee> viviersf: tracker is already in ubuntu
[03:07] <viviersf> Hobbsee, the thing is
[03:07] <viviersf> on a default install of gutsy i see tracker is installed
[03:07] <viviersf> but
[03:07] <Hobbsee> strigi is installed in kubuntu, iijrc
[03:07] <viviersf> i can remove it without affecting ubuntu-desktop
[03:08] <viviersf> how on earth does it get installed ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> viviersf: recommends.
[03:08] <viviersf> hmmmf
[03:08] <viviersf> tracker doesnt seem to work tho
[03:10] <viviersf> or does it just takes long to build the database ?
[03:11] <Riddell> you'd need to ask on an ubuntu channel about tracker
[03:11] <Riddell> packages in section metapackage have their recommends installed by default
[03:12] <viviersf> kk
[03:12] <Hobbsee> even in universe, now!
[03:13] <Riddell> I'm sure that's always been the case
[03:13] <Hobbsee> no it hasnt
[03:13] <Hobbsee> only main before
[03:14] <\sh> Riddell, any branches on LP bzr hosts somewhere?
[03:14] <\sh> Riddell, speaking of amarok?
[03:16] <Riddell> \sh: no, but debian does so we should branch theirs and do the whole branch/merge thing
[03:16] <Riddell> and host on launchpad
[03:17] <\sh> Riddell, will have a look what we can do
[03:22] <manchicken> Riddell: Is there anything different that needs to be done?
[03:22] <manchicken> Riddell: Adept is getting kinda dull.  I'll still keep playing with it from time to time, but it would be nice to play with something else, too.
[03:24] <manchicken> Riddell: And I suppose I could be persuaded to play with Python if it meant something interesting to play with.
[03:25] <Riddell> manchicken: package qtjambi?
[03:25] <Riddell> also qdasher and qt accessibility bridge
[03:26] <manchicken> I could learn to package.
[03:26] <manchicken> Of those which would you like me to start on?
[03:26] <manchicken> first
[03:26] <Riddell> qtjambi I think
[03:27] <Riddell> place to start would be just to get it compiling and working
[03:27] <Riddell> I don't even know if it works with gcj or needs sun java
[03:29] <Riddell> manchicken: any idea why the description in adept is showing the maintainer?
[03:29] <Riddell> in adept_manager
[03:30] <manchicken> Riddell: Nope.  I asked the same question about a week ago.
[03:30] <manchicken> Is it doing that on your branch?
[03:30] <manchicken> That should be an easy solution.
[03:31] <manchicken> I think the kdesudo change is getting things wrong with the kvpnc launcher.
[03:32] <manchicken> Argh, it's a kdelibs5 issue.
[03:32] <manchicken> That's bad.  I can't work without kvpnc
[03:37] <Riddell> don't use KDE 4?
[03:44] <manchicken> I've got dingleberries from when I compiled it myself.
[03:44] <manchicken> for X in $(ls -1); do P="$PWD/$X"; Y=$(dpkg -S $P); if [ "$Y" = "dpkg: $P not found." ] ; then echo "$P"; fi; done
[03:44] <manchicken> That should tell me which ones are not packaged :)
[03:44] <manchicken> This is all in /usr/local/bin, too.
[03:45] <manchicken> But kdesudo is screwing up kvpnc
[03:45] <manchicken> I think it's running kvpnc as a different user than kdesu used to.
[03:49] <manchicken> I'll try copying some config files.
[04:15] <manchicken> Well, I had to reconfigure kvpnc (a task in and of itself), but not too terrible.
[04:16] <manchicken> Their new wizard is nice, but they need to stop assuming that everybody is familiar with the latest networking.
[04:16] <manchicken> I had to read up on CIDR subnet masks just to get the damned thing configured.
[04:16] <Riddell> that sounds like something out of 24
[04:16] <manchicken> heh
[04:17] <manchicken> You and your man-dramas.
[04:17] <manchicken> Although I can't really say anything there... I'm a CSI fan.
[04:19] <manchicken> It's just counting bits, and it makes sense once you see the wikipedia article, but it's definitely a different way of doing things than I've done before.
[05:14] <DaSkreech> HI Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heya DaSkreech
[05:15] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> doing OK
[05:16] <Hobbsee> working thru the sponsorship queue again
[05:26] <nixternal> good mornin' my lil Kubuntu'oblins
[05:27] <Hobbsee> uh, hi!
[05:32] <nixternal> snorts and grunts...i love it :)
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Zug zug!
[05:39] <nixternal> boo!
[05:40] <bddebian> Heya
[05:40] <bddebian> Hehe nixternal :-)
[06:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/kio_sysinfo/trunk/
[06:21] <Riddell> now in svn
[06:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: dirk says to let him know if there's anything to merge
[06:23] <apachelogger> hooray :D
[06:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: iirc, the patches just made the whole thing more generic, use lsb file for system detection and rename the css file, nothing that might be interesting for them
[06:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: well that is interesting to them, they're looking to open it up to more distros
[06:25] <Riddell> so you could add kubuntu and/or kde artwork
[06:25] <apachelogger> well, gotta have a look into it and mail master dirk the patches then
[06:26] <Riddell> great
[06:26] <Riddell> you should be able to get an svn account too if they like you
[06:27] <apachelogger> muahaha, access to opensuse ^_^
[06:42] <ScarFreewill> when I try to install kde4 beta1 (apt-get -s install kde4base-dev) I get the following: kde4base-dev: Depends: kdelibs5-dev but it is not going to be installed and Depends: kdepimlibs4-dev but it is not going to be installed
[06:42] <ScarFreewill> i've got feisty aswell as feisty-backports in my repostory
[06:46] <Riddell> install kdelibs5-dev and work out why it isn't being installed
[06:47] <ScarFreewill> kdelibs5-dev: Depends: kdelibs5 (= 3.80.3-0ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed + Depends: libqt4-dev but it is not going to be installed
[06:47] <Riddell> recurse
[06:48] <Riddell> 3.80 isn't beta
[06:48] <Riddell> feisty or gutsy?
[06:48] <ScarFreewill> i know i've got beta on atm want to install beta
[06:48] <ScarFreewill> feisty
[06:49] <ScarFreewill> i mean i've got alpha atm
[06:49] <Riddell> do you have feisty-backports enabled?
[06:50] <ScarFreewill> yes deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-backports main universe multiverse restricted + deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty main universe multiverse restricted
[06:50] <ScarFreewill> that is all I have.
[06:53] <Riddell> what does  apt-cache policy kdelibs5  give you
[06:54] <ScarFreewill> should i past or paste bin or prt ?
[06:54] <ScarFreewill> *paste
[06:54] <Riddell> pastebin
[06:56] <ScarFreewill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33717/
[06:58] <ScarFreewill> my firefox also crashes randomly while running google's web chat I blame java vm but its just odd (first time i'm experincing some thing like this)
[06:59] <Riddell> google web chat doesn't use java
[07:00] <Riddell> ScarFreewill: it's not seeing backports
[07:00] <Riddell> run apt-get update  maybe
[07:00] <ScarFreewill> i've got a pin though just for testing
[07:01] <ScarFreewill> but i'm sure it was like this before the pin
[07:01] <Riddell> well the candidate is not from backports
[07:05] <ScarFreewill> now I'm getting http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33718/
[07:06] <Riddell> 17:46 < Riddell> install kdelibs5-dev and work out why it isn't being installed
[07:09] <ScarFreewill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33719/
[07:11] <ScarFreewill> kdelibs5 libsoprano-dev libqt4-dev not one of them installs either
[07:12] <Riddell> so.. do the same for them
[07:12] <Riddell> until you actually get a reason why it won't install
[07:14] <ScarFreewill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33720/ looks like its some qt libs
[07:16] <ScarFreewill> ok i think its qt4-core
[07:16] <ScarFreewill> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33721/
[07:17] <Riddell> should be sorted now I expect
[07:28] <ScarFreewill> I've got another problem: Package dbus-x11 is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package dbus-x11 has no installation candidate
[07:33] <ScarFreewill> it appears that dbus-x11 is only avalible for gusty
[07:36] <ScottK> ScarFreewill: There's a later version of the package that's demanding it in feisty-backports that doesn't need it.
[07:38] <ScarFreewill> ScottK: how do you recommend how I should install it ? i treid sudo apt-get -s -t feisty install dbus-x11
[07:42] <ScottK> I don't recall which package it is that wants dbus-x11, but whichever it is, it's been updates in feisty-backports to not need it anymore.
[07:43] <ScottK> I'd try sudo apt-get update and then apt-get -f install and see if it resolves.
[07:43] <ScarFreewill> ok
[07:45] <ScarFreewill> i'm still getting "kdelibs5: Depends: dbus-x11 but it is not installable"
[07:46] <ScottK> Hmmm.  Let me check something.
[07:48] <ScottK> OK.  That's a different package than I saw the bug on.  It was Bug #130542 that I was thinking of.  Sorry.  Dunno what you should do next.
[07:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130542 in feisty-backports "strigi-daemon 0.5.4: Depends: dbus-x11 but it is not installable" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130542
[07:50] <ScarFreewill> ScottK: can i try to install the gusty pkg?
[07:50] <ScottK> ScarFreewill: I really have no idea.
[07:51] <ScarFreewill> i'll try it anyways ^_^
[07:51] <ScottK> I'm not personally playing with KDE4, I'd just seen the bug in backports.
[07:53] <ScarFreewill> I should most propperly make a bug report..
[07:54] <ScottK> ScarFreewill: Please do.  If the package you had the problem with is in feisty-backports, please file the bug in feisty-backports.
[07:54] <ScarFreewill> will do.
[09:30] <miles> hey i am interested in getting a mentor for development
[09:30] <miles> can someone give me some details?
[09:34] <ScottK> miles: It generally works better to find some task you want to work on (fixing bugs that annoy you is a good place to start), figure out what you can, and then ask specific questions.
[09:35] <miles> ok, so i cant get paired up with a mentor and follow their lead?
[09:39] <ScottK> I don't think there is a specific mentoring program for Kubuntu.  MOTU has one.  You can ask in #ubuntu-motu if that's what you are looking for.
[09:39] <miles> ok, thanks
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: packaging for kdelibs+networkstatus is done. I'll send it to you tomorrow.
[11:34] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment to play archive admin would you?  I'm trying to get a sync done prior to UVF: Bug #132543
[11:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132543 in pypolicyd-spf "Please sync pypolicyd-spf 0.4.1-1 from Debian Unstable (Main)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132543
[11:35] <Riddell> ScottK: ask seb128, he's doing syncs this evening
[11:35] <ScottK> Riddell: I will.  Thanks.