[01:22] <sn9> #ubuntu+2 does not properly forward to #ubuntu+1
[01:30] <junmin> hi .. i am using feisty, but i installed compiz fusion using "sudo apt-get -t gutsy install compiz-fusion* compizconfig-setting-manager" ... then when i run "compiz --replace", it doesnt show the window borders. the video card is intel x3100. can somebody help me? i have been working on this since yesterday, but get no resolved. :(
[01:33] <sn9> are there errors at the command line?
[01:34] <sn9> junmin: ^^
[01:38] <databuddy> junmin: lol
[01:38] <databuddy> install the ccsm and make sure that the window decorations are on
[01:42] <voidmage> is there a PAM solution for kwallet like the one for gnome in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager ?
[02:00] <DanaG> Argh, my delete key is broken.
[02:04] <skkane> why do i always have to reinstall the nvidia driver after a reboot ?
[02:04] <skkane> i hate it
[02:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/105756
[02:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105756 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "DISABLED_MODULES="nv" doesn't stop nvidia_new.ko from loading" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:06] <skkane> DanaG, i'm not using the restricted driver, i'm using the 100.14.11 from nvidia.com .....
[02:07] <DanaG> But that's what breaks it.... it keeps overwriting it with the packaged one.
[02:08] <skkane> ooh
[02:08] <skkane> any fix for it?
[02:08] <crdlb> DISABLED_MODULES="nv nvidia_new"
[02:08] <DanaG> Just be aware: for me, the 100.14.11 would often lock up xorg on compiz exit.
[02:09] <skkane> crdlb, you're here also, thanks :)
[02:09] <DanaG> If you don't have that issue, then you don't have to worry, but be aware that it exists.
[02:09] <skkane> DanaG, don't have that issue on my other distro
[02:09] <skkane> i'm just testing on this anyway so no probs if it locks or anything...
[02:10] <DanaG> Oh, and if it locks, ctrl-alt-backspace won't work, but alt-sysrq-k should.
[02:17] <DanaG> Hah, Azureus's tooltips are bugged.
[02:17] <DanaG> Anything without a tooltip explicitly set gets a tooltip of "Close".
[02:17] <DanaG> (without quotes or period.)
[02:18] <DanaG> And plugin-helper is missing.
[02:22] <skkane> ok, xorg just crashed, lol
[02:22] <skkane> does it crash with any 100 series driver or just 100.14.11 ?
[02:22] <RAOF> Any 100 series driver we've seen so far.
[02:23] <RAOF> Presumably they'll fix it at some point.
[02:23] <skkane> so i have to go back to 9755? :/
[02:23] <RAOF> Yup.
[02:23] <skkane> ok, tkz
[02:23] <RAOF> Why not?  Newer != better
[02:23] <skkane> i'm using 100.14.11 on slack without any problems with fusion and everything... 9755 gives me worse performace
[02:23] <skkane> lol
[02:24] <skkane> anyway, brb, gonna install that
[02:26] <DanaG> Ome of myyyy bugs:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/111145
[02:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Low,New] 
[02:27] <DanaG> er, I responded to, not posted.
[02:27] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[02:31] <skkane> can't start x with 9755... "couldn't find module "glx", couldn't find module "nvidia""
[02:31] <skkane> installed 100.14.09
[02:32] <nosrednaekim> skkane: how did you install it?
[02:32] <skkane> sh NVIdia.....
[02:32] <skkane> normal way
[02:33] <nosrednaekim> skkane: ah ok, not from the repositories..
[02:33] <skkane> nah
[02:33] <DanaG> I kinda' like the way I have my compiz animations set.
[02:33] <RAOF> skkane: For future reference "Normal way" is "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new" :)
[02:34] <DanaG> Show/hide are these:  Normal window: dream/sidekick.  Menu: vacuum/vacuum.  Tooltip: Fade/Fade.
[02:34] <skkane> RAOF, i don't like that method ;)
[02:34] <DanaG> Mininize and Maximize are magic lamp.
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: hey, I can't get compiz working with XGL at all! no window decorations.
[02:34] <DanaG> Hmm, what happens if you try to run (in console) gtk-window-decorator --replace          ?
[02:35] <DanaG> Oh, run it with '&' after it and use 'exit' (not the button) to close the terminal when done.
[02:35] <RAOF> You might want to put a "disown %1" in there somewhere :)
[02:39] <skkane> E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_gutsy_commercial_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[02:39] <skkane> on sudo apt-get build-dep compiz
[02:39] <skkane> ...
[02:40] <skkane> it worked fine on tribe3
[02:41] <RAOF> Remove the commercial repo from your sources.list?
[02:42] <RAOF> That'll fix i
[02:42] <skkane> sound is not working either altough alxamixer shows my card just fine
[02:42] <skkane> :/
[02:44] <skkane> E: Build-dependencies for compiz could not be satisfied.
[02:44] <DanaG> What is disown?
[02:44] <RAOF> Wicked.  You've really messed up your apt :)
[02:44] <RAOF> DanaG: "This job is no longer associated with this terminal"
[02:45] <RAOF> DanaG: So, basically, it doesn't die when the terminal dies, and it doesn't spit stuff to the terminal's stdout, etc.
[02:45] <DanaG> Aah.  I figured that out when I did "help disown"
[02:45] <RAOF> Heh
[02:45] <DanaG> But you want it to spit to stdout, and if you just exit after the detach, it works.
[02:45] <DanaG> I mean, you can see it, and you can exit.
[02:48] <verb3k_> Please guys help .....I have a nvidia card and when I run the restricted drivers manager and hit enable driver nothing happens ...what's the problem?
[02:50] <verb3k_> Please guys help .....I have a nvidia card and when I run the restricted drivers manager and hit enable driver nothing happens ...what's the problem?
[03:05] <Instabin> How do i keep this from happening when compiling programs
[03:05] <Instabin> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[03:05] <Instabin> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[03:05] <Instabin> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables PACKAGE_CFLAGS
[03:05] <Instabin> and PACKAGE_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
[03:05] <Instabin> See the pkg-config man page for more details.
[03:09] <DanaG> Can somebody try showkey in console, and press and release the 'del' key?  I get this:
[03:09] <DanaG> 0x6f 0xef
[03:10] <DanaG> Oddly, delete works on console, but is broken in Xorg.
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> anyone else playing around with powertop?
[03:16] <RAOF> Instabin: By installing the appropirate -dev packages
[03:19] <DanaG> Oh yay, sometimes scrolling will lock up Xorg for a few seconds.
[03:20] <Instabin> RAOF: what do i need to install
[03:21] <defendguin> i've run into a bit of an issue running gutsy and i was curious if anyone else was experiencing it.  i am not sure if i caused it myself by tinkering.   all of a sudden the usplash doesn't work properly.  the bar only moves a tiny amount and then it goes right back to text mode.   could some one look at the kernel line from their gurb menu.list file and paste it here?
[03:21] <crdlb> Instabin, depends on what's missing
[03:21] <Instabin> crdlb: it says gtk+-2.0 glib-2.0 and gthread-2.0
[03:21] <crdlb> all those are missing?
[03:21] <crdlb> what are you compiling?
[03:22] <RAOF> !compile
[03:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:22] <Instabin> gpredict 0.8.0
[03:22] <Instabin> and the thing to dump the nvidia card for the nv driver
[03:22] <Instabin> the reverse enginering for the 3d support...
[03:22] <RAOF> Instabin: You mean renouveau?  Cool.
[03:22] <Instabin> RAOF yes
[03:23] <Instabin> RAOF: I have 3 cards i can dump
[03:23] <RAOF> Instabin: If you don't want to build that, you can wait a bit & I'll have it packaged in...
[03:23] <RAOF> !nouveau
[03:23] <ubotu> Nouveau is an experimental open-source nVidia driver, aiming for full 3d support.  Homepage at http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ - EXPERIMENTAL packages at https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~raof/+archive
[03:23] <RAOF> Instabin: *Awesome*.  Yay testable cards!
[03:23] <Instabin> I have a 6800GT
[03:23] <Instabin> on this system
[03:24] <Instabin> and a 5xxx Series on another
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> RAOF: gutsy is getting a nouvea driver?
[03:24] <RAOF> nosrednaekim: Not a chance :)
[03:24] <RAOF> nosrednaekim: But I'm building them in my PPA.  See that link.
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> awww (not like I have an nvidia).
[03:25] <RAOF> Instabin: ahuillet's calling for Xv testing on <NV40, for which your 5xxx qualifies :)
[03:26] <Instabin> RAOF: Wich one do I install
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> hey, any clue why compiz window decorations wouldn't be working within XGL? compiz didn't show any errors
[03:26] <RAOF> Instabin: The -ahuillet branch, if you want to help him.  Come join #nouveau :)
[03:26] <Instabin> RAOF: cool
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> I'm hungry.
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> But I don't wanna make food.
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> Someone send me food through the internet
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> Find a way.
[03:34] <defendguin> anyone know a little bit about usplash?
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[03:34] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> :O
[03:34] <d4rkmonkey> bot is eating just to make me feel hungrier
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> SEE!
[03:53] <defendguin> is anyone else having a problem with usplash image not making it all the way through boot
[04:19] <DanaG> I have a GeForce Go 7600.  Aren't those quite very common?
[04:20] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:20] <RAOF> I have one.
[04:20] <DShepherd> DanaG, i have one too
[04:20] <DanaG> I find it funny that NVIDIA calls PCI Express "PCI-X".  It's just plain WRONG!
[04:21] <DanaG> PCIe != PCI-X.
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> DanaG: my brother has one and my friend does to... got he for like $25
[04:22] <DanaG> Oh, you mean the desktop card.  Well, hopefully the 3D functions have no differences there.
[04:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, why is the "Plugin Finder" missing in Azureus?
[04:23] <DanaG> And "Restart Azureus".
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> ah... missed the "go"
[04:26] <DanaG> WTF?  Home, End, and Del are all broken.
[04:27] <DanaG> Oh, and down-arrow is now enter.
[04:28] <DanaG> Up is Katakana.
[04:28] <DanaG> Left is Henkan_Mode
[04:28] <DanaG> Right is Muhenkan.
[04:29] <DanaG> Okay, so "Evdev-managed Keyboard" is broken.
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> haha
[04:30] <DanaG> Okay, so something is grabbing the delete key, but I can't tell what.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> I have control of myself now, DanaG, you no longer can torture me with monkeys! -- HAL
[04:31] <DanaG> Huh?
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> ever seen 2001 space odyssey?
[04:32] <DanaG> Yeah, or at least I've read the book.  I don't remember that quote.
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> its the theme.. a computer becomes self relient, makes a mistake and tried to conver up its mistake.
[04:33] <DanaG> Oh, and my Firefox is all jiggly.  Tabs wiggle up and down as they load, and the search and address bars have parts move up and down when typing.
[05:35] <slavik> anyone try gutsy on a laptop?
[05:36] <slavik> for a 200M, should I use ati driver or fglrx?
[05:38] <d4rkmonkey> I dunno?
[05:38] <d4rkmonkey> I have gutsy running on my laptop
[05:38] <d4rkmonkey> it runs fine
[05:38] <slavik> d4rkmonkey: what video card on it?
[05:39] <RAOF> slavik: Fglrx.  There's no 3d with the free driver yet.
[05:39] <d4rkmonkey> slavik, I'm not sure what the card itself is called, it has some weird name, but the chipset is Intel GM 965 I believ
[05:40] <slavik> RAOF: my x800 and x300 get accelaration (well, that';s what glxinfo says), but beryl does crash as soon as I move a window
[05:40] <slavik> d4rkmonkey: GMA950 :)
[05:40] <RAOF> slavik: Then that's a beryl problem.
[05:40] <slavik> intel != amd/ati
[05:40] <slavik> RAOF: I was using it with the ati driver
[05:40] <RAOF> Your 200M, however, won't get 3d with the free drivers.
[05:40] <slavik> k
[05:41] <RAOF> slavik: Also, why beryl?  Gutsy comes out of the box with Compiz fusion, which is better.
[05:41] <slavik> but fglrx doesn't have aiglx, right?
[05:41] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:41] <RAOF> Well, kinda.
[05:41] <slavik> RAOF: beryl is on feisty :P
[05:41] <Instabin> what is libtoolize?
[05:41] <slavik> kinda?
[05:41] <Instabin> and where do i get it
[05:41] <RAOF> slavik: Then why are you asking this in #ubuntu+1? :P
[05:41] <slavik> because I am installing gutsy right now
[05:41] <RAOF> Ah.
[05:41] <slavik> that was "past experience"
[05:42] <slavik> so, I need a "stuff changelog"
[05:43] <d4rkmonkey> wheres the release schedule for gutsy found?
[05:43] <RAOF> !release
[05:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:44] <RAOF> No, that's not it.
[05:44] <RAOF> Eh.
[05:44] <d4rkmonkey> yeah I did that before when I was looking for it
[05:44] <slavik> RAOF: so, gutsy won't be fair about scheduling tasks?
[05:44] <RAOF> !schedule
[05:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[05:44] <slavik> RAOF: I also hear that gutsy has devicescape :), that true?
[05:44] <khoa> since upgrading to 7.10, i'm getting no TLS/SSL support in pidgin... any ideas?
[05:45] <d4rkmonkey> khoa, uhh theres some packages, but I forget what they're called
[05:45] <d4rkmonkey> khoa, did you install pidgin yourself in feisty?
[05:45] <RAOF> slavik: If by that you mean "will not use the new, relatively untested core kernel component called CFS", then yes :)
[05:45] <khoa> yeah
[05:45] <burner_> anyone know where I can get a .deb of miro for gutsy?
[05:45] <d4rkmonkey> khoa, uninstall that one, and install from gutsy repos. That should fix everything I think
[05:45] <RAOF> burner_: In Universe Real Soon Now(tm)
[05:45] <khoa> d4rkmonkey: ok thanks, i'll try that right now
[05:46] <slavik> !miro
[05:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about miro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:46] <slavik> :(
[05:46] <RAOF> burner_: And I wouldn't trust one of their builds to work :(
[05:46] <slavik> RAOF: but gutsy is in development anyway
[05:46] <burner_> they don't build it for gutsy
[05:46] <burner_> only feisty... libboost problems with using their feisty pack with gutsy
[05:46] <RAOF> Heh.
[05:47] <RAOF> I should build a miro package this evening.
[05:48] <burner_> you'd be my hero
[05:48] <burner_> i really miss the content on miro
[05:48] <d4rkmonkey> whats miro?
[05:48] <RAOF> You do know there's a working democracyplayer in the repos, right?
[05:48] <burner_> d4rkmonkey: www.getmiro.com
[05:49] <RAOF> And that miro is just a minor version bump over democracy?
[05:49] <burner_> i did not
[05:49] <RAOF> Miro is 0.9.8, democracy is 0.9.6(.5, I think)
[05:50] <RAOF> Install democracy now, get a free upgrade to Miro when I finish packaging it!
[05:55] <slavik> what's miro for?
[05:56] <RAOF> It's a vodcast viewer thingy.
[05:56] <RAOF> RSS feed with video.
[05:56] <RAOF> For Channel Frederator!
[05:58] <Instabin> RAOF: going to bed will check on your build for the nvidia driver tomorrow
[05:58] <RAOF> K.
[05:59] <RAOF> Maybe by then all the langpacks will have built and my job can get a look in :)
[06:08] <Marco> I'm getting a really really weird bug in gutsy
[06:08] <khoa> d4rkmonkey: still not working properly, googletalk and msn are throwing SSL errors
[06:08] <Marco> Sub-menus of context menus
[06:08] <Marco> don't work
[06:08] <Marco> the sub-menus display
[06:08] <Marco> but clicking the items closes the menu, but does nothing
[06:08] <d4rkmonkey> khoa, theres some packages but I'm not sure what they're called
[06:09] <khoa> hmm
[06:09] <Marco> has anyone else experienced this
[06:10] <RAOF> Works for me.
[06:11] <DanaG> Hmm, I must say, this site has the best blue+orange theme I've ever seen.  http://www.wiebetech.com/home2.php
[06:13] <Marco> RAOF, for seem reason it works if I right click the entries
[06:14] <RAOF> Marco: Any program in particular?  Gnome-terminal worked for me.
[06:15] <Marco> all
[06:15] <khoa> d4rk: yeah i guess this has gotten pretty screwed up... google doesn't have much advice for me either
[06:15] <Marco> besides the task bar
[06:15] <Marco> the taskbar works fine
[06:16] <RAOF> Marco: Are you using Compiz?
[06:17] <Marco> RAOF, I first noticed it in compiz
[06:17] <Marco> happens in metacity too
[06:17] <Marco> understand that it's only submenus,
[06:17] <RAOF> Hm.  What can I say?  Works for me :/
[06:18] <khoa> has anyone else had problems with Pidgin (particularly TLS/SSL support) in 7.10?
[06:18] <Marco> I'm gonna submit the bug
[06:18] <RAOF> khoa: No, works for me.
[06:20] <Marco> how can I start gnome without compiz?
[06:20] <RAOF> Um... by disabling desktop effects?
[06:20] <Marco> I wanna see if it's caused by some random compiz setting
[06:21] <Marco> RAOF, where?
[06:21] <Marco> >_>
[06:21] <RAOF> Marco: Sys->Pref->Appearance->Desktop Effects
[06:21] <RAOF> Marco: Are you running compiz with --loose-binding?
[06:21] <Marco> no
[06:21] <Marco> why?
[06:22] <RAOF> Marco: Because that could be causing your problems :)
[06:22] <Marco> using it or not using it?
[06:23] <RAOF> Marco: Using it.  It's broken, and only ever works by accident.
[06:23] <Marco> unless that's the default, I've never used it
[06:23] <RAOF> Ok.  It's not default.
[06:23] <Marco> whenever I start compiz manually, I just run "compiz"
[06:24] <Marco> brb
[06:24] <Marco> gonna start gnome without compiz
[06:25] <Marco> the problem persists
[06:28] <Marco> reporting the bug now
[06:28] <RAOF> Good plan
[06:29] <Marco> what package should I report it in?
[06:29] <RAOF> *Maybe* gtk?
[06:29] <Marco> hmm, that's probably right
[06:29] <Marco> seeing as it happens in xchat too
[06:29] <RAOF> If it's doing it for all apps.
[06:29] <Marco> (quickly checks kde apps)
[06:29] <Marco> ugh, I've non installed
[06:30] <RAOF> :)  That's not an ugh :)
[06:30] <Marco> heh
[06:30] <Marco> good point
[06:31] <d4rkmonkey> what will uninstalling ubuntu-desktop do?
[06:31] <Marco> d4rkmonkey, depends how you uninstall
[06:31] <d4rkmonkey> Marco, with apt-get
[06:32] <Marco> nothing will happen
[06:32] <Marco> the package will be gone
[06:32] <Marco> but nothing will change
[06:32] <Marco> though if applications are added to the default install by making ubuntu-desktop dependent on them
[06:32] <d4rkmonkey> what does that package do though?
[06:32] <Marco> it's just a meta-package
[06:32] <Marco> that depends on gnome and friends
[06:32] <Marco> openoffice
[06:32] <Marco> and some others
[06:32] <d4rkmonkey> oh ok
[06:33] <Marco> new packages are added to the default install
[06:33] <Marco> by making ubuntu-desktop require them
[06:33] <Marco> :)
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> hmm is there an easy way to uninstall then reinstall compiz-fusion?
[06:33] <Marco> you wanna purge the config?
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> uhhh I dunno?
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[06:33] <Marco> what's wrong?
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> whenever I enable it
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> it tells me that its disabled
[06:33] <d4rkmonkey> though I can clearly see its enabled
[06:34] <d4rkmonkey> and its always disabled when i start up
[06:34] <Marco> has it worked before?
[06:37] <d4rkmonkey> not really
[06:37] <d4rkmonkey> it works, it just disables itself
[06:37] <d4rkmonkey> and its really annoying
[06:41] <aslan> hello has anyone here gotten compiz-fusion 0.5.2 working ?
[06:41] <Marco> RAOF, in case you're interested, I just submitted the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/132372
[06:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132372 in gtk+2.0 "Submenus of context (right-click) menus don't work" [Undecided,New] 
[06:44] <DanaG> Is there a nice easy way to get certain commands to be run at shutdown?
[06:44] <DanaG> By "easy", I mean, as easy as /etc/rc.local is for boot.
[06:45] <RAOF>  /etc/rc.local :)
[06:45] <DanaG> That doesn't do at shutdown.
[06:45] <DanaG> er, s/do/run/
[06:45] <RAOF> Should do.
[06:45] <RAOF> I think.
[06:45] <RAOF> Or maybe not.
[06:46] <RAOF> Anyway, you could symlink something to the appropriate rc directory.
[06:46] <DanaG> I just want to run "sudo killall -INT FAH500-Console.exe"
[06:46] <Marco> DanaG, rc.local runs at the END of any multiuser runlevel
[06:46] <Marco> that would happen right before a shutdown
[06:46] <DanaG> (running Folding@home under Wine, so I can share workunits with Windows.)
[06:47] <Marco> DanaG, or, figure out what runlevel shutdown is (I always forget)
[06:47] <Marco> and put a script in /etc/rc6.d/
[06:47] <Marco> replacing 6 with whatever the run level is
[06:47] <RAOF> I think it actualy *is* 6 :)
[06:48] <Marco> do it for reboot and shutdown runlevels
[06:48] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:48] <DanaG> But what's the deal with S and K?
[06:48] <Marco> no clue
[06:48] <RAOF> They change what gets sent to the script.
[06:48] <Marco> I'm no expert
[06:48] <RAOF> S == start, K == stop.
[06:49] <RAOF> Since you don't care either way... :)
[06:50] <Marco> so you'd make a new script, K99stopfold inside /etc/rc6.d/
[06:50] <Marco> (don't use 99, I'm not sure what the numbering is)
[06:50] <Marco> it may be seconds
[06:50] <Marco> or milliseconds
[06:50] <Marco> I dunno
[06:51] <DanaG> I could also make an /etc/init.d/folding@home
[06:51] <DanaG> (yay, 'at' symbol in file name.)
[06:51] <Marco> that'd be fancier
[06:52] <DanaG> That reminds me of a prank you could do: make a file with an annoying name on somebody's Windows desktop, with characters invalid for Windows filenames.
[06:52] <Marco> what does that do?
[06:56] <DanaG> Makes it undeletable in Windows.
[06:56] <RAOF> Makes an undeletable file, of course :)
[06:56] <RAOF> Marco: Actually, it's the ordering.  00->01->...->99
[06:57] <Marco> oh, ok
[07:00] <DanaG> Can/t play video under compiz.  :(
[07:00] <DanaG> At least, not without dropping frames like crazy.
[07:02] <Marco> tried the video playback plugin?
[07:03] <Marco> apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[07:03] <Marco> then start it System->prefs->compizconfig...
[07:03] <Marco> and enable it
[07:04] <RAOF> ...and watch as it does nothing.
[07:04] <Marco> :/
[07:04] <RAOF> Sadly, nothing uses the interface provided by the Video plugin.
[07:05] <Marco> oh, nice
[07:05] <Marco> :(
[07:05] <RAOF> Except a patched mplayer.
[07:36] <DanaG> Dang.  I always use kaffeine, with xine.
[07:36] <DanaG> Argh, how do I make windows not steal focus in Metaacity?
[07:37] <DanaG> If window X is in front and focused, and window Y wants focus, then it gets it and jumps to the front.
[07:37] <jdt> hi, has anyone experienced constant crashing of web browsers (firefox, konquerer and opera) in k/ubuntu?
[07:37] <DanaG> Then if I click X again, it gets focus and stays in the back!
[07:37] <DanaG> I have to click Y and then X yet again for it to work.
[08:35] <DanaG> aRGH, how the heck do you install icon themes now?
[08:36] <DanaG> nevermind, you have to use the Install button in the parent dialog.
[08:38] <DanaG> Oh, and what can you do with the TrouSers TCS daemon?
[08:38] <RAOF> That's awesome.
[08:39] <DanaG> Note that that has to do with the "OMG EVIL!!!" (as many people say)  TPM chip.
[08:39] <DanaG> I'm just curious what it can be used for.
[08:40] <RAOF> Oooh, cool.  Hardware crypto can be fun.
[08:40] <DanaG> Actually, I've heard that it's not hardware crypto, just hardware key storage.
[08:40] <DanaG> i.e. it doesn't accelerate encryption, but it does give you keys in some way.
[08:41] <DanaG> http://trousers.sourceforge.net/
[08:41] <ameyer> eww, treacherouss computing
[08:41] <ameyer> a M$ plot to kill (!winblows)
[08:42] <DanaG> Not if I'm using it with Linux.
[08:42] <DanaG> And any Vista issues are moot for me, since I have deleted that partition.
[08:42] <ameyer> when TC is used to make your computer refuse to run software that isn't signed by Microsoft...
[08:43] <DanaG> In fact, Vista was so broken that the only way to fix it was to boot the install CD and nuke it from orbit.  Instead, I just nuked it and made an ext3 partition.
[08:43] <DanaG> I'll now only use XP and Gutsy.
[08:43] <ameyer> it's  unlikely they could do that without a BIOS update though
[08:43] <ameyer> and nobody ever updates their BIOS
[08:44] <ameyer> well, without a BIOS "upgrade" on current hardware
[08:45] <masterloki> i having a problem with my printer can't print any thing in open office
[08:46] <masterloki> and what would happen if I delete one of my root bin files
[08:46] <DanaG> Oh, and I _can_ turn off the TPM chip in the BIOS.
[08:46] <DanaG> If I can't do anything useful, I might as well remove the daemon.
[08:47] <ameyer> I don't know that you can do anything useful with trousers
[08:47] <DanaG> Besides wearing them.
[08:47] <DanaG> (sorry, I couldn't resist the joke.)
[08:47] <ameyer> heh
[08:54] <DanaG> Odd: the first time the volume OSD appears after a switch from metacity to compiz (or vice versa), gnome-settings-daemon crashes.
[08:54] <DanaG> it restarts just fine, but it's still a bit annoying.
[08:57] <RAOF> That seems likely to be a corner case no one has thought of.  Bug filed?
[08:57] <DanaG> Hmm, I think I'll look for one, and file one if necessary, tomorrow.
[08:57] <DanaG> Right now, I'm going to go to bed.
[08:57] <DanaG> Midnight, pacific time.
[08:57] <DanaG> And perhaps I should also file one on the broken delete key.
[09:16] <masterloki> I am have a problem with my printer can anyone help me out
[09:18] <masterloki> everything is installed  hpjls but when i try to print in openoffice it will not print i just do understand what is going on
[09:18] <masterloki> don't
[09:19] <masterloki> hplip see my printer
[09:22] <masterloki> when i try to print a test page I get stopped: job stopped
[09:23] <masterloki> how can I veiw what is going on with my printer in a termial
[09:25] <masterloki> can anyone help out
[09:30] <jeffwheeler> It seems Tribe 4 livecd is trying to constantly access the cd; is this normal?
[09:32] <masterloki> Thank for the help I think I found out what was wrong
[09:41] <ryo> Oh hey wow, that one guy who pirates movies is on
[09:42] <ryo> anyways, for some reason it won't let me connect to wired internet.
[09:43] <ryo> I have a feeling it's a hardware detection problem, considering the LAN card is listed as having "unknown purpose".
[09:44] <ryo> well it looks like no ones on, so I'll just give my specs so you guys all know this is a bug.
[09:45] <ryo> The LAN card that doesn't work is an RTL-8139 Integrated.  I'm going to install a PCI one for now.
[10:26] <ryo> Okay, nevermind earlier, appearently all wired networking is broken under Gutsy.  This REALLY needs to get fixed.
[10:26] <ryo> Anyone know of any solutions?
[10:27] <ryo> Because this is annoying the hell out of me...
[10:28] <Hobbsee> ryo: define "broken"
[10:28] <Hobbsee> ryo: i dont expect it's broken for anything like everyone
[10:28] <ryo> It's grayed out, when I remove wireless devices it doesn't work, and overall, nothing about it actually works.
[10:28] <Hobbsee> so nm-applet
[10:29] <ryo> Well it doesn't allow me to use it as a whole.
[10:29] <ryo> I've played around with it in every way I can think of and no luck.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> does it work if you kill NetworkManager, and use dhclient?
[10:29] <ryo> Let me try.
[10:30] <ryo> By network manager, you mean Nm-applet, correct?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> no, NetworkManager, the daemon.
[10:30] <ryo> okay, it looks like this is deeper rooted, because neither of those are on my process list...
[10:30] <Xemanth> ryo: define brtoke?
[10:30] <Xemanth> broken*
[10:31] <ryo> Wired network doesn't initiate.
[10:31] <ryo> period.
[10:31] <Xemanth> i'm using gutsy and wireless and wireless works perfectly :)
[10:31] <ryo> Well yes the wireless works beautifully
[10:31] <Hobbsee> ryo: it may be the mangler, it may be your connection.
[10:31] <ryo> I'm on my neighbors unencrypted wirelss
[10:31] <Hobbsee> ryo: use sudo killall NetworkManager to kill the mangler, then try
[10:31] <ryo> but I'd prefer to be on my own
[10:32] <ryo> Hobbsee: working on it.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> unless you're into wand waving, of course
[10:34] <ryo> Sorry, it's just this bug is annoying.
[10:34] <ryo> dhclient didn't get any DHCP offers.
[10:35] <ryo> and yes, I've tried debugging it.
[10:35] <ryo> and nothing I've tried has worked at all.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hmm.  so it's not a problem with the mangler.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> that's interesting.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> presumably you tried sudo ifdown $interface && sudo ifup $interface && sudo dhclient $interface?
[10:36] <ryo> So please don't insult me for the fact that I'm stuck with using a wireless connection that doesn't even belong to me because you don't believe a bug could exist.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> oh, i know it could exist - no question
[10:37] <Hobbsee> but for looking at *where* - absolutely no idea, until you'd tried a bit.
[10:37] <ryo> I've been finding that the problem is with the DHCP system.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> and so saying that it NEEDS FIXING, with no indication of what, or where, isnt helpful
[10:37] <Hobbsee> do you usually have problems/
[10:37] <ryo> No, I had none on Feisty.
[10:37] <Hobbsee> and it's never worked on gutsy?
[10:38] <ryo> I've never gotten a successful wired connection on gutsy, no.
[10:38] <Hobbsee> hm.
[10:39] <Hobbsee> !info dhclient
[10:39] <ubotu> Package dhclient does not exist in gutsy
[10:39] <ryo> that might explain it.
[10:39] <Hobbsee> no, it appears the package doesnt exist under that name
[10:40] <ryo> what's the name it appears as?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ search dhclient
[10:40] <Hobbsee> dhcdbd - D-Bus interface to the ISC DHCP client
[10:40] <Hobbsee> runit-services - a UNIX init scheme with service supervision (services)
[10:40] <Eq|work> dhclient doesn't have its own package afaik
[10:41] <Eq|work> ryo : try dhcp3-client
[10:41] <Eq|work> !info dhcp3-client
[10:41] <ubotu> dhcp3-client: DHCP client. In component main, is important. Version 3.0.5-3ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 215 kB, installed size 572 kB
[10:42] <Eq|work> that's got dhclient in it.
[10:43] <pvandewyngaerde> google search field is broken here
[10:43] <pvandewyngaerde> in firefiox
[10:46] <Eq|work> some of those are bugs only by semantics.
[10:46] <Eq|work> imo
[10:46] <jscinoz> Hey everyone
[10:47] <jscinoz> Is it just me or is the latest Gutsy beta dvd iso too large?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> jscinoz: it' soversized, yes
[10:47] <jscinoz> anything i can do aside from downloading the cd image?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: i suspect they need someone to go thru them, yes.
[10:47] <jscinoz> like cut out some files?
[10:50] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : yeah, i suspect so..
[10:51] <Eq|work> jscinoz : possibly, with an iso editor, but probably not a good idea.
[10:51] <pvandewyngaerde> i dont get it, my / is full   /dev/sda2              15G   14G     0 100% /
[10:52] <Eq|work> what about that is hard to understand?
[10:52] <pvandewyngaerde> i just moved 5 GiB
[10:53] <Eq|work> it probably wasn't directly on /
[10:53] <pvandewyngaerde> omg, my .xsession-errors is  growing
[10:53] <jscinoz> gah oh well, words cannot describe my hatred for vista so im going to go blow my bandwidth limit on the normal gutsy cd
[10:53] <Eq|work> jscinoz : yes, vista is shite
[10:53] <Eq|work> before you do that though
[10:53] <Eq|work> what gfx do you have?
[10:54] <Eq|work> (if you have an intel 965 based board with integrated gfx, gutsy tribe4 doesn't install from normal.. you have to use alternate, text mode. or server.
[10:54] <jscinoz> Nvidia 8400M GS
[10:54] <Eq|work> ok, you should be fine then
[10:54] <jscinoz> this is a shiny new XPS m1330 :) from what i've read, feisty doesnt like santa rosa
[10:54] <jscinoz> so im going with gutsy beta :)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> jscinoz: gutsy's an alpha, not a beta.  </pedant>
[10:55] <jscinoz> Can wait to be back on good ole Ubuntu, in the 3 days i've had this laptop vista has BSOD'd twice, and corrupted its boot files once :)
[10:56] <jscinoz> Oh well Alpha Ubuntu > Vista by a long way
[10:58] <Eq|work> jscinoz : yes. and surely you mean fista :P
[11:00] <Eq|work> pvandewyngaerde : what are you seeing in .xsession-errors ?
[11:00] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: 965 with integrated gfx hey?
[11:01] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : didn't for me..
[11:01] <Eq|work> got a dell latitude d630
[11:01] <Eq|work> neither tribe3 nor 4 would install off the normal cd
[11:01] <Eq|work> i got dumped back to busybox
[11:02] <pvandewyngaerde> Eq|work:  i once enabled kio_http_debug: and forgot to turn it off, it floodfills my disk faster than i can erase it
[11:02] <Eq|work> oh, and if i did the normal install with the alt cd, i got major graphical corruption after package install (before bootloader), resulting in the machine being unusable until i reset it..
[11:02] <Eq|work> had to use alternate command line only install, then install ubuntu-desktop
[11:03] <Eq|work> things don't feel right :P
[11:03] <Eq|work> pvandewyngaerde : what's generating the traffic? X itself, or anything you're using http in?
[11:04] <pvandewyngaerde> im surfing
[11:04] <pvandewyngaerde> a lot
[11:04] <Eq|work> well, kill your surfing, erase the log, and turn off that thing?
[11:05] <Eq|work> it's being difficult :P
[11:06] <Eq|work> not to mention very different from my debian/sid install..
[11:08] <pvandewyngaerde> oops. it the xsession error log for my kde4 user   KMessageFilePipe::exec:: Cookie error...transmission failure...serious problem...
[11:09] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: probably the compiz manager
[11:10] <Eq|work> pvandewyngaerde : that could be due to the disk space thing..
[11:11] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : then where would i change it?
[11:11] <Eq|work> i do kinda need/want more than a single desktop
[11:11] <Eq|work> but the normal method of specifying the number in the switcher ain't valid..
[11:11] <pvandewyngaerde> back nomal now /dev/sda2              15G  8,3G  5,6G  60% /
[11:13] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: in the compiz manager config thingy.  it uses viewports, not virtual desktops
[11:15] <jscinoz> gah this is going to be such a bitch... i wish dell put some of their partitions in an extended >_<
[11:15] <Eq|work> jscinoz : why keep the dell partition?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[11:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: unsure if you need to install the relevant package
[11:20] <RAOF> Eq|work: You'd be after compizconfig-settings-manager, it's not installed by default
[11:21] <Eq|work> ah.
[11:21] <Eq|work> that seems.. silly
[11:21] <Eq|work> seems like a fairly basic thing to require
[11:23] <RAOF> Eeeh, that settings manager is insane.
[11:23] <Eq|work> ah
[11:23] <Eq|work> shouldn't gnome-compiz-manager handle it?
[11:23] <Eq|work> (though it seems that it doesn't work..)
[11:24] <RAOF> Yeah.  It doesn't.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> depends how much of compiz you want to provide, i guess.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ti's all experimental anyway
[11:25] <RAOF> Actually... Gnome-compiz-manager *might* work.
[11:25] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : yeah, but it's also been in ubuntu for some time..
[11:25] <RAOF> Bits of it, at least.
[11:25] <Eq|work> RAOF : afaict, it added a GL Desktop icon to my menus.. and does bugger-all
[11:25] <Eq|work> ooh
[11:25] <Eq|work> it has a missing dependancy
[11:25] <RAOF> Yeah, pretty much.  The config has changed too much.
[11:25] <Eq|work> having installed a few other things, it's working now.
[11:26] <Eq|work> it wasn't actually starting before
[11:26] <Eq|work> just sat there for a while
[11:27] <RAOF> Oh.  Cool!
[11:27] <Hobbsee> so, this cd buggers up in my car, yet works fine here.
[11:27] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : audio?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: yeah
[11:28] <Eq|work> ok, not entirely working..
[11:28] <Eq|work> a lot of car cd players are very intolerant
[11:28] <Eq|work> hrm.. i can't seem to get the shutdown dialog up..
[11:28] <Eq|work> yay!
[11:28] <Eq|work> :P
[11:29] <Eq|work> next thing i need to do is get sound working, and see about reducing the font sizes in the login screen..
[11:29] <Hobbsee> and amarok wont play cds from konq.  weird.
[11:30] <Eq|work> it doesn't seem to like 1440x900.. :P
[11:30] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : is it an original, or a copy?
[11:31] <Hobbsee> oh, bugger.  it apperas that i need 2 cd drives
[11:31] <Hobbsee> it's an original
[11:31] <Eq|work> well, for reference, car cd players can destroy cd's.. they tend to scratch them badly, and overheat them to an extreme
[11:31] <Eq|work> so far better to copy it and play that in the car :)
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: well, i do have a .ogg format on my hard drive - have had for ages :)
[11:32] <Eq|work> pff
[11:32] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: it's jus tthe fact tah tnow my car cd player *has* killed my cd, and so i wish for a working cd :P
[11:33] <pvandewyngaerde> .flac rules
[11:35] <Eq|work> i'm pretty happy with the set of speakers i have.
[11:36] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, my only options here are the ones out the side of the computer (crap), or the ones which the power cable is held in with duct tape (less crap, but still crap)
[11:37] <Eq|work> heh.. i've turned on the cube thing, only it's gotten massively confused, set the switcher to show the various viewports and gets them in the wrong order.. :P
[11:39] <Eq|work> though only when i use the kb
[11:39] <Eq|work> weird
[11:39] <Eq|work> and the gnome thing works.. as long as you try and start it twice.
[12:06] <rikai> are there any plans to include fusion-icon(for compiz fusion) in gutsy?
[12:13] <mikkael> uhm somebody got the link to the MOTU site, where new packages are listed ?
[01:00] <Instabin|work> When im at work i miss my gusty with compiz
[01:01] <Instabin|work> I hate running gusty in a VM
[01:33] <Eq|work> argh
[01:34] <Eq|work> if i use win+r gutsy is zooming to whatever window is active.. :-/
[01:34] <Eq|work> but it doesn't seem to be in the gnome kb shortcut list.
[01:35] <Pici> Eq|work: Maybe its in ccsm
[01:35] <Eq|work> yeah
[01:35] <Eq|work> just seeing something that looks rather like it may be
[01:35] <Eq|work> yep
[01:41] <Eq|work> ok, that's that sorted.. only now my rotation doesn't seem to be working from the mouse.. gah
[01:45] <Pici> I personally think that ccsm needs to be made more user friendly
[01:46] <Eq|work> it's not as bad as it could be
[01:46] <Eq|work> not by a long shot
[01:46] <stdin> at least you don't have to edit an XML file
[01:48] <Pici> I just dont think that it could use some tooltips explaining with a bit more detail what each option does.
[01:51] <RAOF> Pici: It's really not intended to be friendly.  It's intended to be comprehensive.
[01:51] <RAOF> Someone will write a settings manager for humans to use at some point, and we'll include that :)
[01:52] <Pici> Okay :)
[01:53] <Eq|work> RAOF : yeah, but it's been designed in such a way that it wouldn't be difficult to make it more usable..
[01:53] <Eq|work> at least in terms of the gui :P
[01:54] <Instabin|work> Im try to set ubuntu up as a network client how do i get it to automaticly mount network shares for each user like windows would map drives..
[01:56] <RAOF> Eq|work: Errr.  Maybe.
[01:56] <Eq|work> unrelated to that.. best way to get the synaptics touchpad util to actually reconfigure the touchpad, rather than the 'nipple' ?
[01:57] <Ng> is there a correct way to stop udev from renaming my network interfaces?
[01:58] <Eq|work> renaming how?
[01:58] <Eq|work> it should be static once you've booted once.
[01:58] <Ng> Eq|work: nope, udev has a new persistent net alias generator
[01:58] <Instabin|work> RAOF: do you ever sleep?!?!
[01:58] <Ng> but I do all kinds of things with my network interfaces and I don't want it to think they are new ones
[01:59] <Ng> (e.g. my wireless iface is now eth1_rename because I changed its MAC address)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Instabin|work: he's australian
[01:59] <Instabin|work> Hobbsee: what does that mean?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ....
[01:59] <Instabin|work> other than hes on the bottom of the globe
[01:59] <Hobbsee> it means he lives in australia
[01:59] <Instabin|work> lol
[02:00] <Eq|work> Ng : ah, right. you're doing stuff that bypasses the new useful stuff.
[02:00] <Instabin|work> Hobbsee I know
[02:00] <ameyer> Instabin|work: that he's in a significantly different time zone than most people in here
[02:00] <Ng> Eq|work: yes. it's a neat hack I use - if I set my wired and wireless MAC addresses to be the same, then I can plug/unplug my cable without fear of losing network connections. If there's a more correct way to do that, I'm all ears :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Instabin|work: timezones.
[02:01] <ameyer> s/he/she/?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> no, RAOF is definetly male
[02:01] <ameyer> ok, then he
[02:01] <Instabin|work> Hobbsee: I was on here last night talkin to RAOF till about 1:00
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Instabin|work: 1:00 in local time is useless.
[02:02] <Instabin|work> Blah blah blah Off topick....
[02:02] <Instabin|work> IM in US Eastern
[02:02] <Hobbsee> as is "morning"  "afternoon"  "evening"  "today"  "tomorrow", etc.
[02:02] <Instabin|work> its 8:02
[02:02] <Instabin|work> am
[02:02] <Hobbsee> put it in UTC - you're not the only part of the world.
[02:02] <Pici> Good timezone-specific-greeting!!
[02:02] <Instabin|work> +5 hrs to it
[02:02] <ameyer> umm, probably +4
[02:02] <RAOF> Instabin|work: But it wasn't 1:00am for me :)
[02:02] <Eq|work> Instabin|work : what you have to remember is that the world does NOT revolve around .US
[02:03] <Instabin|work> RAOF I had to get up at 5:00 for work
[02:03] <Instabin|work> lol
[02:03] <Eq|work> atm it's what, 2-3 am for you RAOF ?
[02:03] <Eq|work> maybe a bit later
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: 10pm local
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: indeed!
[02:05] <Eq|work> ah cool, not quite as late as i thought then :P
[02:05] <Instabin|work> ameyer: Estern Time us & canada is - 5 gtm so it would be +5 to get utc right?
[02:05] <Eq|work> Instabin|work : what city?
[02:05] <ameyer> umm, +4 right now, due to DST
[02:05] <ameyer> is it @now?
[02:06] <ameyer> @now UTC
[02:06] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: August 14 2007, 12:06:04 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Server Team meeting in 2 hours 53 minutes
[02:06] <Hobbsee> there's a neat app in kde - kclock, that sits in the kicker, and shows the current time at any timezones you ask it for
[02:06] <Instabin|work> EQ|work: harrisburg, pa
[02:06] <Instabin|work> well an hour south of there
[02:06] <Instabin|work> small country town
[02:06] <Hobbsee> lifesaver for aussies, particularly as the times greatly change every 6 months or so
[02:07] <ameyer> "greatly change"?
[02:07] <Instabin|work> country I mean im surounded by farms and a moutain
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ameyer: by about 2 hours each way, although not all countries
[02:07] <Eq|work> ok, how about a major city :P
[02:08] <Instabin|work> Harrisburg, is a major city
[02:08] <Instabin|work> its the state capatiol
[02:08] <ameyer> Hobbsee: you australian or something?
[02:08] <Eq|work> ok, you're GMT-5
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: you *do* realise that the majority of people, at least development-wise, are in europe?
[02:08] <Eq|work> GMT is _PRESENTLY_ UTC+1
[02:08] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : yes.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: so the aussies and US people, etc, have to convert to them
[02:08] <w00t> Hobbsee: re ;p.
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ameyer: i am, yeah
[02:08] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : i'm in .uk
[02:08] <Instabin|work> Eq|work: I allready said i was -5 gtm
[02:09] <Eq|work> i know quite a few folk in .au :P
[02:09] <w00t> Hobbsee: hmm. where in .au are you?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> oh meh, i meant that to Instabin|work
[02:09] <Hobbsee> w00t: sydney
[02:09] <Eq|work> heh
[02:09] <w00t> .. and sydney for 6 months
[02:09] <Instabin|work> hobbsee: Nope did not realize that
[02:10] <ameyer> Instabin|work: state capital != major city
[02:10] <Instabin|work> ameyer: what?
[02:10] <ameyer> Springfield, Illinois is in the middle of f***ing nowhere
[02:10] <ameyer> Instabin|work: you were insisting Harrisburg was a major city because it's the state capital
[02:11] <Instabin|work> ameyer: our biggest cities in pa is phily, pitt, and harrisburg
[02:11] <ameyer> meh
[02:12] <Eq|work> and harrisburg is the only one of those i've never heard of
[02:12] <Eq|work> i suspect i'm not alone there
[02:12] <ameyer> heh, 4 of the 5 biggest cities in Illinois are in the Chicago area
[02:13] <ameyer> Chicago, Aurora, Naperville, and Joliet are, Rockford isn't
[02:13] <Hobbsee> but then again, i have heard of the US, which is better than the other way around.
[02:13] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : can you identify your country on a globe?
[02:14] <ameyer> unless you subscribe to the news media definition of "chicago area"
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: yes
[02:17] <Hobbsee> it's fairly distinct, see...
[02:17] <Instabin|work> General Question: What do you like best? Aptitude or apt-get
[02:19] <Hobbsee> apt
[02:19] <Hobbsee> it's clearer, etc
[02:19] <Hobbsee> although i tend to use both, within aliases
[02:19] <w00t> I'm having a few problems with gutsy, one being that tracker isn't appearing in deskbar preferences - though tracker, libdeskbar-tracker and of course deskbar are installed. Is there some way I can track down what's going wrong? :)
[02:25] <Eq|work> Instabin|work : apt-get.
[02:26] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : dunno about now, but 15-20 years ago most americans thought russia was the USA.
[02:26] <Pici> Instabin|work: I prefer aptitude
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: that's americans for you...
[02:27] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : indeed
[02:27] <Pici> Lets not generalize here...
[02:27] <Eq|work> Pici : we're not saying it's ALL americans
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Pici: the general american population, though... :P
[02:29] <Eq|work> dammit.. win+r and win+c are being blocked by something.. fairly sure it's compiz.. gah!
[02:46] <Instabin|work> Anyone here remember when redhat or mandrake use enlightenment?
[02:47] <hylje> no
[02:47] <genii> Yes. I had it on RH 5.2
[02:48] <Instabin|work> genii: so did i but i couldnt remember what version it was... I'll have to see if i still have the cd..
[02:48] <genii> I think mandrake had it til 7.3 or so as well
[02:49] <Instabin|work> back then it was just a window manager
[02:50] <genii> Yes, there were several on that dist installed by default...fvwm,kde,enlightenment,blackbox
[03:08] <w00t> I don't suppose anyone replied to me earlier? I had a forced restart.
[03:08] <Pici> I dont believe so.
[03:09] <w00t> :-(
[03:11] <Pici> I'd help, but I dont know anything about tracker :/
[03:12] <shirish> hey guys, what's up?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> the sky
[03:12] <Hobbsee> rain
[03:12] <Hobbsee> LIGHTNING BOLTS!!!
[03:13] <shirish> Hobbsee: nice weather report ;)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> shirish: :)
[03:13] <Pici> Hobbsee is hyper today.
[03:14] <shirish> Pici: that I can see although good for her
[03:14] <Pici> Indeed :)
[03:14] <shirish> guys can somebody look up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Spec/EnhancedBash
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:15] <shirish> there are some things given so that people can have more color in their life in bash
[03:15] <shirish> I made some changes to the .bashrc, but I wanted to run it through you people
[03:15] <w00t_> ack.
[03:15] <w00t_> Pici: sorry about that.
[03:15] <w00t_> I got rebooted.
[03:16] <w00t_> anyway. I don't know enough about it either I feel. nautilus integration works, though, which makes me happy.
[03:16] <shirish> guys, take a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33688/
[03:18] <Eq|work> hrm.. what's the best keyring thing to use in gnome? need an ssh-agent thingy..
[03:18] <shirish> Pici: Hobbsee: commented from line 28 to line 36, and uncommented line 39, is this good enough
[03:19] <shirish> Eq|work: there is something called seahorse, maybe you want to try that, its supposed to be much more easier to do stuff with that.
[03:19] <shirish> ubotu seahorse
[03:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seahorse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <Eq|work> ahar.. the description needs altering
[03:20] <shirish> p   seahorse                                        - A Gnome front end for GnuPG
[03:20] <Eq|work> yeah.. if you do apt-cache show seahorse, it does mention much more than just gpg
[03:20] <Eq|work> it also doesn't seem to depend on gpg
[03:20] <Eq|work> or maybe it does.. already had that installed
[03:21] <shirish> Eq|work: do an aptitude show seahorse, that shows the depends as well as recommends needed.
[03:23] <Eq|work> apt-cache show does it as well
[03:23] <Eq|work> i just didn't read that far
[03:24] <shirish> bbiaf, will see if whatever I did in bash does improve stuff or screws up bash
[03:34] <Eq|work> especially as i use konsole for terminal, but gnome overall..
[03:34] <shirish> bah, I did the change & the change is good, but the colors suck in terminal
[03:34] <Eq|work> lol
[03:35] <w00t_> Eq|work: i'm curious, why konsole? :p
[03:35] <Eq|work> because it does decent tabbing
[03:35] <w00t_> hm
[03:35] <Eq|work> gnome-multi-terminal does not
[03:35] <w00t_> i've never noticed much wrong with gnome-terminal
[03:35] <Eq|work> if you can't change tabs in both directions with the kb, it's useless.
[03:36] <w00t_> aha. can't say I need that often
[03:36] <w00t_> though
[03:36] <w00t_> I apparantly have keyboard shortcuts for both directions
[03:36] <shirish> w00t_: have you tried out fish, you use fish as a noob & you'll never want to work with gnome-terminal again.
[03:36] <Eq|work> i could never get that working
[03:37] <w00t_> can't say I have :)
[03:37] <w00t_> though really I don't do a lot of work in terminals so I'm okay as-is
[03:37] <shirish> Eq|work: you couldn't get fish working, why?
[03:37] <w00t_> in fact, the only time I (usually) use tabs is when I'm testing a compile on multiple machines at once
[03:38] <shirish> w00t_: I do tabbing also in most of the terminals, CTRL+ALT+T gives new tab
[03:38] <Eq|work> shirish : was referring to kb shortcuts in gnome-terminal
[03:39] <Eq|work> also, i use kb shortcuts to start a variety of different shells within one konsole window :P
[03:39] <shirish> Eq|work: did you mean tab completion
[03:39] <Eq|work> no
[03:39] <Eq|work> i mean changing the tabs of the terminal window
[03:40] <Eq|work> how in the hell is seahorse supposed to import ssh keys? the documentation is nowhere to be found..
[03:40] <shirish> Eq|work: you tried to see /usr/share/doc/seahorse to see if some documentation is there?
[03:40] <Eq|work> nothing helpful
[03:41] <Eq|work> copyright, changelog, and a readme saying to refer to the website or the included manual
[03:41] <Eq|work> there's nothing on the website
[03:41] <shirish> and there is no man/manual?
[03:41] <Eq|work> and if there is a manual, i can't find it.
[03:41] <Eq|work> nope
[03:41] <Eq|work> that would be far too useful :)
[03:41] <shirish> lol
[03:41] <shirish> that means we need to file a bug about seahorse
[03:42] <shirish> I remember there was some discussion of making seahorse to do quite a bit of stuff in ubuntu
[03:42] <Eq|work> it has a whole heap of stuff in /usr/share/gnome/help, but it seems to just be a couple of xml files, heap of png's, and in multiple languages.
[03:42] <Eq|work> that's it.
[03:42] <Eq|work> afaik it won't import existing ssh keys
[03:43] <Eq|work> which, tbh, is a bit pointless.
[03:44] <shirish> damn, evolution went through an update, 30 MB of updates
[03:44] <Eq|work> heh
[03:44] <w00t_> hmm
[03:45] <w00t_> I appear to have another problem, adjusting my master volume doesn't do crap
[03:45] <Eq|work> that's 40megs of updates since a couple of hours ago.. sweet :P
[03:46] <Eq|work> though i'll probably remove evolution.
[03:49] <Instabin|work> What font is the ubuntu logo writen in
[03:49] <sjoeboo> so, i figured i would raise this here first: yesterday/today, the "new" deskbar hit gutsy, theres a lot of complaining going on in launchpad/gnome bugzilla about the new ui, how buggy it is, how its a whole UI revamp days before a feature/UI freeze etc, but, that aside, there this problem: Tracker. TRacker by default in gutsy right? Well the new deskbar no longer integrates with tracker. anyone have any thoughts/input, idea where to bring this issue to,
[03:52] <Toma-> Instabin|work: google "ubuntu font"
[03:52] <Toma-> pretty easy tbh...
[03:54] <iblicf> hello,,,eveyboday ^^
[03:55] <iblicf> hello .:).. anybody knows some mirror site ,,i want to download gutsy-T4 ,,but i can't download it from the official "cdimage.ubuntu.com"
[03:57] <shirish> iblicf: you can download the .torrent if needed.
[03:57] <shirish> iblicf: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[03:58] <iblicf> shirish,  ...i know that ,but the torrent ,i have try it ever ,,faild at 98%
[03:58] <shirish> iblicf: what do you mean failed at 98%?
[03:59] <shirish> no seeders or something?
[03:59] <iblicf> shirish, , :)
[03:59] <shirish> ok hold on
[04:00] <shirish> iblicf: did you try linuxtracker, they usually have stuff also
[04:00] <iblicf> shirish,  at first ,i'ts seems no problem ,,but when it finished at 98% ,99% ,it stop
[04:00] <shirish> iblicf: also at linuxtracker?
[04:01] <shirish> iblicf: look at http://linuxtracker.org/torrents-details.php?id=4454
[04:01] <iblicf> shirish,  ? wha't u mean ? i have use linux /windows pt tools both to try to download
[04:01] <iblicf> shirish, ,,..let me see
[04:04] <shirish> iblicf: you could do it either way, download the .torrent file & let it check wherever it has downloaded the rest of the .iso (kinda recheck) and then download the rest. This is assuming the pieces distribution is the same as in the link given in cdimage.ubuntu.com
[04:05] <shirish> another way, would be just to add the linuxtracker tracker details in the .torrent you have, either way unless the pieces are different it should be a 5 min. job
[04:06] <shirish> sjoeboo: can you enlighten us a bit more about the tracker & deskbar stuff
[04:07] <iblicf> yeh , it's strange so much , i have try somthing like you say ,,:) indead i have down it by the axel ,,, it's stoped at 90% or 95% ,
[04:07] <iblicf> then i put the "temp file" ,,use some bt tools
[04:08] <sjoeboo> shirish: yes, deskbar's UI changed, drastically within the last few days. I belive it was a SOC project to revamp the whole program, though the UI is obviously the easiest thing to notice
[04:08] <iblicf> i use <transmission> bittorrent ,,,both no use to download the rest
[04:09] <shirish> iblicf: haven't used transmission much, do all my torrenting through deluge & love it.
[04:10] <iblicf> shirish,  hoho  ,, deluge don't work for me ,,,it just coredump
[04:11] <shirish> iblicf: which one, the deluge.deb or the svn ones?
[04:11] <iblicf> both , :(
[04:11] <shirish> iblicf: that is truly sad :( for I never had any issues, you don't have an amd64 by any chance, do you?
[04:12] <iblicf> shirish,  deluge is beautifull ,, i used it ever
[04:12] <iblicf> no im not a 64bit arch
[04:13] <shirish> I heard it had some issues on amd64, not everybody has it, but some do, maybe you can install the dbgsym file & do it
[04:15] <iblicf> :) , no paitient yet ,, i will install my feisty and update to ....
[04:15] <iblicf> anyway ,nice to talk to u
[04:16] <shirish> iblicf: ah yes, I forget, you are on feisty still
[04:17] <iblicf>  ^^ ,,does here a ...develope channel ?
[04:19] <shirish> iblicf: there are specific developer channels, this is support channel for people who have issues with gutsy gibbon, the next release
[04:19] <w00t> anyone here clued up on ALSA? :)
[04:20] <iblicf> o ,, so i got the right place ,,hoho
[04:32] <Eq|work> so..
[04:32] <Pici> buttons
[04:33] <Eq|work> who has a recommendation for an ssh key manager?
[04:33] <Eq|work> ideally i want it to prompt me for the pw the first time i ssh, and add it to the agent..
[04:34] <Eq|work> seriously debating just installing keychain
[04:34] <Eq|work> i know it works :P
[04:34] <andrew_> Okay, I've been trying to debug this, but no luck.  Wired connection= Down.
[04:34] <Eq|work> :-*
[04:34] <andrew_> The wired network system on Gutsy seems to have some issues that I just can't get around.
[04:34] <Eq|work> gah
[04:35] <Eq|work> must remember i don't have mouse-focusing on here.
[04:35] <Eq|work> odd.. it's working fine for me
[04:35] <Eq|work> what kind of issues?
[04:35] <andrew_> This is the weirdest part, when I went into "Connection Problems" and try to configure it
[04:35] <andrew_> it says this:  Check that it is correctly typed and that it is correctly supported by your system.
[04:36] <shirish> andrew_: lol
[04:36] <andrew_> But when I use NM applet, it detects it fine, but for some reason, it grays it out, like it's disabled.
[04:36] <Eq|work> the card definitely works?
[04:36] <andrew_> Yes.  It worked on feisty.
[04:36] <andrew_> I even tried using another PCI based card.  Still no luck.
[04:36] <Eq|work> odd.
[04:37] <shirish> andrew_: I remember reading some stuff about NM, but then NM has had loads of stuff
[04:38] <andrew_> Well, hopefully this'll get fixed in an update, because I've had no luck at all fixing it.
[04:39] <Eq|work> when you left click on the NM icon in the dockbar thingy, wired is ticked?
[04:39] <andrew_> Wired is unclickable.  Grayed out.
[04:39] <Eq|work> ah
[04:39] <Eq|work> most unusual
[04:41] <andrew_> Oh and I forgot one part of the error message when I try to configure it.
[04:41] <andrew_> It says this before it:  The interface does not exist
[04:41] <andrew_> Even though the interface most definitely exist.
[04:42] <Eq|work> what happens if you do it from the commandline?
[04:42] <Eq|work> do you have dhcp3-client installed btw?
[04:42] <andrew_> Yes, I do.
[04:42] <Eq|work> ifconfig -a shows the network card?
[04:43] <andrew_> It shows it, but lists it twice.  One as just "eth0" and one as an Avahi version.
[04:44] <andrew_> Which is probably part of the problem.
[04:45] <andrew_> Also my "interfaces" document has an "eth2" listed, in spite of the fact that I have no eth2.
[04:45] <stdin> if you get an avahi one, that normally means it couldn't get an IP address from DHCP
[04:46] <virtuelv> hm. Anyone have redundant items in "Places" after upgrading?
[04:46] <Instabin|work> The appearance preferences seems to be crashing alot when using svg as a wallpaper
[04:47] <Eq|work> andrew_ : you have eth0, eth1 and an eth2 showing then?
[04:47] <Eq|work> eth2 could be firewire or wifi..
[04:47] <shirish> virtuelv: I have a .aptitude in Places, other than that nothing
[04:47] <andrew_> You know now that you mention it, I do have redundant items in places, haha, wow.
[04:47] <andrew_> eth1 is wifi
[04:48] <Eq|work> eth2 is probably firewire then.
[04:48] <virtuelv> how do I get rid of said redundant items?
[04:48] <andrew_> I have a firewire port, but it's not plugged into my mobo.  and I have no idea how to get rid of said redundant items.
[04:48] <andrew_> they never bugged me enough.
[04:49] <Eq|work> if the firewire port is on the system, such as on a sound card, or it's a mobo one that you just haven't plugged the header into, linux 'll see it
[04:50] <andrew_> well it's literally not plugged into the motherboard.  It's part of the case, and my motherboard could only support me plugging in either front side USB or front side Firewire.  I chose USB.
[04:51] <Eq|work> right, that sounds like it's just the pin header you've not plugged in
[04:51] <Eq|work> i should mention that usb & firewire aren't the same pinouts, though they're the same style of pinblock
[04:51] <Instabin|work> andrew_: the firewire controler is what shows up not the port.
[04:51] <Eq|work> exactly.
[04:52] <andrew_> Ah.  So even having the potential to use firewire on my motherboard would show up?
[04:52] <Instabin|work> Correct
[04:52] <andrew_> that makes more sense.
[04:52] <Instabin|work> andrew_: if you realy want to you probably go in to your bios and disable the controler
[04:52] <Instabin|work> since your not using it...
[04:53] <andrew_> My BIOS is by Compaq. It's not very flexible.
[04:53] <Instabin|work> LOL
[04:53] <andrew_> Yeah.  I hate compaq.
[04:53] <Instabin|work> Im used to building my own...
[04:53] <andrew_> I would if had any money
[04:54] <andrew_> this thing is years and years old.  I've upgraded it so many times that it's lasted though.
[04:54] <gesker> Anyone having trouble installing mount 2.13 on Gutsy?
[04:54] <Instabin|work> andrew_: You can build a system for 500 bucks
[04:55] <andrew_> yeah, but I have literally no money.  Only 17 and no license.  And if you're in the US, you pretty much can't get a job if you have no license.
[04:55] <andrew_> by license I mean Drivers license.
[04:55] <Instabin|work> andrew_: yep  I live in pa
[04:55] <Instabin|work> the state...
[04:56] <andrew_> But I'm working on it, and as soon as I get the chance, I'll probably get a job, and get a new computer first thing.
[04:57] <shirish> andrew_: hear you, same here although yrs. older, but gone though tht patch, here a system is about 3-5 months of salary, a medium system though
[04:58] <andrew_> also, just curious, how well do Wacom Tablets work on Linux?
[04:59] <khoa> anyone having problems with Pigdin (specifically TLS/SSL support) in 7.10?
[04:59] <w00t> ugh.
[04:59] <w00t> as I was trying to say earlier.
[04:59] <hylje> andrew_: i believe they work at least fine
[04:59] <w00t> any ALSA-knowing people about?
[05:00] <andrew_> awesomeness.  Also, I haven't had any problems with pidgin.  What issues are you having?
[05:00] <w00t> pidgin works for me
[05:01] <andrew_> It's practically half the reason to upgrade to gutsy in my opinion.  :P
[05:01] <Instabin|work> shirish: wheres teh system
[05:01] <Eq|work> hrm.. seahorse is running ssh-agent, but it doesn't seem to be intercepting my keys at all..
[05:02] <khoa> andrew_: well it will not allow me to connect to googletalk or MSN, ... saying missing TLS/SSL libraries
[05:02] <w00t> :-/
[05:02] <andrew_> khoa:  I've had no issues connecting to either.  Did any errors occur during install?
[05:02] <Eq|work> khoa : you got openssl installed?
[05:02] <khoa> andrew_: nope it went smoothly
[05:03] <andrew_> khoa:  Do you have any firewalls that might be blocking it?
[05:03] <khoa> andrew_: no it worked fine pre-gutsy
[05:04] <khoa> eq|: i'm checking
[05:04] <khoa> eq: "openssl is already the newest version."
[05:05] <Eq|work> check that the libs are installed
[05:07] <khoa> hmm, Eq you don't know which libraries they are offhand do you? i have tried to walk through various pidgin installs, adding numerous other packages
[05:08] <Eq|work> libssl* /
[05:08] <virtuelv> nevermind the "Places" question. Nautilus bookmarks show up there, and sometime, Nautilus has added defaults
[05:08] <andrew_> good to know that you found the solution, and sorry I was no help on that one.
[05:29] <Eq|work> dammit.
[05:30] <Eq|work> cba with trying to work out wtf is wrong with seahorse atm
[05:30] <Eq|work> docs are present, but broken.
[05:33] <w00t> I "fixed" my ALSA problem by telling my keyboard buttons to modify my PCM volume instead of my master, but I really am curious why lowering master doesn't do anything
[05:33] <Eq|work> heh
[05:33] <Eq|work> mismapped in the driver?
[05:34] <Stormx2> Uhg.
[05:34] <Stormx2> My load on Gutsy is pretty insane...
[05:34] <Stormx2> I'm averaging about 5, when I was getting maybe 0.2 on feisty.
[05:36] <w00t> have you tracked down what's causing it?
[05:36] <Stormx2> I'm trying
[05:36] <w00t> IO wait time, etc
[05:36] <Stormx2> I don't really know how...
[05:36] <ccooke> Anybody here using Kubuntu Gutsy?
[05:36] <Pici> I'd just run top/htop and see whats using up the most cpu
[05:37] <w00t> start by checking tasks in top, i.e. if too many are running at once, your system will be more heavily loaded
[05:37] <Hobbsee> ccooke: yeah
[05:38] <w00t> I'm not sure how to check IO time in linux, in freebsd you'd use iostat
[05:38] <Stormx2> What is "busybox"?
[05:38] <ccooke> Hobbsee: I'm trying to update https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/131476, but I don't have access to a KDE system atm (or a spare system to install it to)
[05:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131476 in ubuntu-meta "esd not found" [Low,Confirmed] 
[05:38] <w00t> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox <- perhaps
[05:39] <Pici> Stormx2: From what I understand its what loads right after the kernel loads but before the bulk of ubuntu does.
[05:39] <Stormx2> Xorg seems to be taking up a lot... Maybe my restricted driver isn't working.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ccooke: esound removal from ubuntu-desktop was deliberate, iirc
[05:40] <Hobbsee> check the seeds
[05:40] <Stormx2> Whats the command which allows me to check if it is working? It's like.... something | grep -i direct
[05:41] <ccooke> Hobbsee: I thought so. I know it was *intended*
[05:41] <w00t> Stormx2: in case you're curious, my top 3 are Xorg, compiz and top, right now. :)
[05:41] <ccooke> Hobbsee: still, its removal has left some nasty cruft
[05:42] <Stormx2> My load is still at 3, but i don't see why... Xorg is taking up some, so is busybox.
[05:42] <Stormx2> That's about it.
[05:42] <w00t> hmm
[05:42] <Hobbsee> ccooke: waiting for the output
[05:42] <w00t> I don't have any busybox process running
[05:42] <ccooke> Hobbsee: thanks!
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ccooke: holy cow.  do you want to kill my system with that command or something?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ccooke: http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/snapshot9.png
[05:48] <w00t> Stormx2: I'd advise grabbing a copy of iostat and seeing if anything is fighting over disk IO. :-)
[05:49] <ccooke> Hobbsee: It should do a load of disk access, sure - it's going to search everything under /usr for the string /usr/bin/esd
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ccooke: i know :P
[05:49] <ccooke> Hobbsee: I can see you've now got a *hell* of a lot of the disk cached :-)
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ccooke: hehe :)
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ccooke: yeah, to manage to get to swap, when i've got 2gb of ram, is pretty impressive!
[05:50] <sindile_> totem does not show video with desktop effects enabled
[05:50] <sindile_> what must i do
[05:50] <ccooke> Hobbsee: indeed
[05:50] <ccooke> Hobbsee: ... do you do much compilation?
[05:50] <w00t> Hobbsee: ..you get swap with 2gb of RAM?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ccooke: i'm a core dev.  yes
[05:50] <Hobbsee> w00t: yeah
[05:50] <ccooke> Hobbsee: That'll do it, then :-)
[05:50] <w00t> impressive
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ccooke: bits of vmware and such, too
[05:50] <w00t> I only get that with make -j ;-p
[05:50] <ccooke> Hobbsee: my /usr was fairly clean...
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ccooke: i didnt think it should be too bad, though
[05:50] <Hobbsee> ccooke: seeing as pbuilder is used
[05:51] <ccooke> Hobbsee: how big is /usr ?
[05:51] <ccooke> Hobbsee: (used, not free)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ccooke: command returns nothing
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ccooke: /usr is 2.1gb, it appears
[05:52] <ccooke> Nothing, huh? Hmm.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> not bad.  certainly a use for that extra ram.
[05:52] <ccooke> could you grep for esd in your .xsession-errors ?
[05:53] <sindile_> any ideas on why video is not showing with desktop effects enabled in gusty
[05:54] <Hobbsee> ccooke: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found 13 times over
[05:54] <ccooke> Interesting.
[05:54] <ccooke> recursive grep of /etc ?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> do i have to?  :P
[05:54] <ccooke> nope
[05:55] <ccooke> you've already done plenty, and many thanks :-)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> let's see....
[05:55] <Hobbsee> ccooke: returns nothing
[05:55] <Hobbsee> that was quick
[05:55] <ccooke> on /etc? I'd *hope* so!
[05:56] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:56] <Hobbsee> well, i wouldnt want to run it on ~/pbuilder/ or something
[05:56] <ccooke> *laugh*
[05:56] <Hobbsee> it's only feisty and gutsy, iirc.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> running it in /devel/ would be bad enough.
[06:01] <sindile_> any ideas on why video is not showing with desktop effects enabled in gusty
[06:02] <Instabin|work> sindile_: what video card do you have
[06:03] <w00t> any ideas why tracker isn't showing up in deskbar preferences, despite libdeskbar-tracker being installed? :-)
[06:04] <sindile_> Instabin|work ati do not know how to get the rest of the card detail
[06:09] <sindile_> Instabin|work ATI RV350 Mobility Radeon 9600 M10 using Hardware Information
[07:03] <DanaG> Argh, overnight, my e1000 module crashed,
[07:03] <DanaG> And then when I tried to reload the module, I got something about the EEPROM being corrupt.
[07:33] <d4rkmonkey> pidgin keeps crashing for some reason, its getting kind of annoying
[07:55] <omha> hey
[07:56] <omha> when i run "update-manger -d" i get dont get the option to upgrade. but i get current dist not found in meta-release file, im running a updated feisty
[08:28] <Trewas> is compiz (or whatever the preferences / appearance / desktop effects starts nowadays) supposed to still work with intel (i810) driver?
[08:29] <Trewas> it apparently closes metacity but starts no other window manager in its places... worked a couple of weeks back, but no more even for a new used
[08:30] <crdlb> Trewas, it is indeeds supposed to work
[08:30] <crdlb> indeed*
[08:31] <Trewas> hrm, ok... the messages "compiz --replace" gives are not exactly useful
[08:46] <Trewas> well ok it works for a completely new user but apparently does not like some old setting I have for my normal user
[08:50] <gmonteiro> Hi! I need some guidance for the correct way of reporting the problems I'm experiencing with gutsy. I'm not sure if I follow the notebook testing procedure writing to a wiki page or report the problems as bugs. My laptop is a Toshiba U305-5127,  Centrino Intel Core2Duo T7100, 4GB RAM, SATA disk and iwl4965 wireless card. I'm experiencing crashes when booting with the iwl4965 on and also when...
[08:50] <gmonteiro> ...copying large files through the wireless network. Also I'm experiencing some  hardware support problems like the dvd and bluetooth adapter that is not recognized, acpi problems for suspend and hibernate and mute audio.
[08:53] <voidmage> is openoffice still broken in kde?
[08:54] <stdin> works for most if you install openoffice.org-gnome
[09:07] <gmonteiro> exit
[09:08] <gmonteiro> ops, sorry! Wrong window... :-D
[09:08] <gmonteiro> At least was not my password... :-D
[09:10] <hwilde> anybody use a logitech cordless rumblepad?  http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=315857
[09:11] <`Matir> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to get the orinoco_cs driver under Gutsy?  There's a long-standing bug based on its removal and I haven't seen any workarounds, other than booting a Feisty kernel.
[09:41] <instabin|work> why is it so hard to compile a kernel now days. it was so easy on redhat 5
[09:42] <instabin|work> download the new source. make mrproper make xconfig  blah blah
[09:42] <Trewas> there are probably 20x options to choose nowadays, otherwise I don't think it has changed so much
[09:42] <Trewas> not that there is so much need to compile kernels as distro kernels are usually fine, unlike then
[09:56] <pwnguin> you know, the "restart firefox" information pop up is short enough that i think you dont need two
[09:56] <pwnguin> one which just says, "click me for another popup!"
[10:05] <frax> hi, I have a problem with my intel gfx driver, when Im using xserver-xorg-video-intel my font turns enormous, any tips?
[10:12] <d4rkmonkey> frax, is it enormous everywhere?
[10:12] <frax> yeah, and when I change the fontsize, it only affects the font on terminals etc.. folder names and such are still huge
[10:13] <d4rkmonkey> frax, I'm sorry then, I don't have any idea what to do, I'm using the same driver, it seemed a bit bigger in gutsy than in feisty, but doesn't seem enormous to me.
[10:14] <frax> for me it is enourmous as in, when looking at folders I get 2-3 characters instead of the entire name, cause of lack of space :)
[10:15] <d4rkmonkey> frax, do you need to use xserver-xorg-video-intel, or can you use some other driver where the font isn't enormous
[10:15] <`Matir> anyone got an orinoco card working under feisty?
[10:15] <`Matir> err
[10:15] <`Matir> gutsy
[10:15] <d4rkmonkey> I don't know what an orinoco card is
[10:16] <`Matir> wireless card
[10:16] <d4rkmonkey> oh
[10:16] <genii> prsm2 chipset
[10:16] <genii> prism2 even
[10:16] <`Matir> this one has the lucent chipset
[10:17] <Falstius> if I install gutsy, will I be able to enable and disable my second monitor without logging out?
[10:17] <genii> Ah, no help then
[10:17] <d4rkmonkey> Falstius, no idea, why not try the live CD?
[10:17] <`Matir> ya know, i should try multi-monitor setup on this machine... just never done it before
[10:17] <frax> thanks anywai
[10:17] <frax> *y
[10:17] <frax> I need the xserver-xorg-video-intel, need them for an opengl-issue with wine >.<
[10:18] <d4rkmonkey> oh ok
[10:19] <davmor2> sorry I asked before but my t'internet connection went down.  Could someone please check and see if you change the login window to human list do you get listed icons or not please?
[10:19] <Falstius> d4rkmonkey: liveCD might not support it or I might not be able to figure out how even if it is possible :)  I have a VM installed, but that isn't so useful for this.
[10:19] <d4rkmonkey> Falstius, well, its worth it to try the liveCD
[10:19] <Assid> when would it be a good time to try out gutsy on a production box? i mean reasonably good time (before the official release)
[10:20] <`Matir> Assid, define "production"... server, workstation, notebook... mission-critical, personal, etc.
[10:20] <d4rkmonkey> Assid, I have gutsy installed on my laptop, which is pretty much the only comp I have
[10:21] <Assid> `Matir:  well.. its my desktop at home (primary and only machine) which is shared by my bro and i use it for everything.. and am pretty dependant on the gui to get any work done atm
[10:22] <`Matir> ehh... you could run it any time now probably.  My laptop is running gutsy very stably
[10:22] <Assid> servers.. honestly.. no gui.. i really dont care super cow apt does the job.. but desktop.. a gui is pretty much a must these days
[10:22] <Assid> really?
[10:22] <Assid> hrmm
[10:22] <`Matir> i haven't had any significant problems, but YMMV
[10:22] <Assid> ymmv ?
[10:22] <`Matir> I'm holding off on my desktop for a little while, just because it has a lot of more unusual software on it
[10:23] <`Matir> ymmv = your mileage may vary
[10:23] <Assid> unusual ?
[10:23] <stdin> Assid: boo
[10:24] <Assid> you need to stop spreading your seed.. i know its human nature.. but stop cloning!
[10:24] <`Matir> blender, virtualbox, etc.
[10:24] <Assid> virtualbox?
[10:24] <Jminckoft> I restarted my ubuntu desktop (gutsy) and when it had finished loading, it didnt recognized my monitor (emachines TFT1560PS) but it did come up because i heard the sound on the logon screen. Is there a way i can fix this?
[10:24] <Assid> local pc magazine now doing alot of hype for linux.. hehee.. and this is a mag just 1 year ago didnt have anything of linux on it
[10:25] <hylje> inux, particularly ubuntu is raising its head
[10:25] <davmor2> Assid freer version of vmware
[10:25] <Assid> err just curious.. i got this repository that did some fix for fonts (made a diff to me)
[10:26] <Assid> have the rgb fonts been taken care off in gutsy?
[10:26] <Assid> deb http://www.telemail.fi/mlind/ubuntu feisty fonts  <-- this one
[10:27] <Assid> im guessing the freetype2 is patched with gutsy and i dont need this right ?
[10:29] <d4rkmonkey> Assid, no idea...
[10:30] <Assid> please dont kill me!
[10:30] <Assid> Need to get 1348MB of archives.
[10:30] <Assid> After unpacking 885MB of additional disk space will be used.
[10:30] <Assid> damn.. thats alot of disk space being used
[10:31] <Assid> will konqueror automatically default the file browser?
[10:31] <databuddy> Assid: in gnome or kde
[10:32] <Assid> kde
[10:32] <stdin> Assid: for now, yes
[10:32] <databuddy> yes
[10:32] <databuddy> meh
[10:32] <databuddy> wish me luck - frys interview ~_~
[10:32] <Assid> i thought dolphin was taking over
[10:32] <stdin> it may
[10:32] <stdin> but not yet
[10:32] <Assid> gl databuddy..  "eat a fly.. eat at frys"
[10:33] <Assid> ;)
[10:33] <databuddy> ;p
[10:33] <Assid> 1.5 hours to go downloading..
[10:37] <Assid> wish i have more bw
[10:40] <Assid> err.. something is wrong with this..everything going slow on the machine.. and i havent started installing yet.. its still dling
[10:40] <Assid> weird
[10:42] <eugman> Will it be possible to turn off copiz easily for running cpu intesive programs?
[10:42] <eugman> er compiz
[10:46] <SeveredCross> Is Thunderbird known to be broken?
[10:47] <d4rkmonkey> in Gutsy? I dunno
[10:47] <SeveredCross> Well, it seems you can't add new folders.
[10:47] <SeveredCross> Which is slightly annoyin.
[10:47] <d4rkmonkey> o_O
[10:47] <SeveredCross> *annoying.
[10:48] <SeveredCross> Yeah...Looks like there's some malformed XUL or something.
[10:48] <SeveredCross> I think I might switch to Evolution if I can figure out a way to import stuff from Thunderbird into it.
[10:48] <d4rkmonkey> hah its messed up in my menues... it wants mozilla-thunderbird for some reason...
[10:48] <Assid> Seveas:  evolution should support a normal import
[10:48] <Assid> err. SeveredCross
[10:48] <SeveredCross> Excellent. ^_^
[10:49] <Assid> the only reason im sticking to thunderbird is cause of the features it has.. plus cross platform
[10:49] <Assid> otherwise tbird 2 is pretty darn slow
[10:49] <Assid> tbird2 is one of the few applications thats slower on linux than windows too
[10:50] <Assid> but thats not linux's fault
[10:50] <Assid> ive pretty much come to "accept" that
[10:51] <Assid> oh crap.. the downloads become slow :(
[10:52] <SeveredCross> Assid: Can you import everything in one fell swoop from Tbird to Evolution?
[10:53] <Assid> SeveredCross:  everything? no. i dont know.. i dont use evolution
[10:53] <Assid> but it shouldnt be that hard
[10:53] <SeveredCross> Aha.
[10:53] <SeveredCross> http://www.debianadmin.com/import-thunderbird-email-into-evolution.html
[10:54] <Assid> err.. anyone know how ot get apt to use multiple servers ... and multiple threads per server?
[11:02] <Assid> if evolution made it to windows natively they would probably be adopted a whole lot more
[11:07] <Assid> hrmm how long approx does it take to "install" all those packages? 900mb of packages suppose
[11:20] <omha> hey
[11:21] <omha> i have some serious bugs that i dont know how to report if to report
[11:22] <omha> when i boot i get BIOS BUG #81 failed to alloc mem, and i need to hit the power off botten to make it go on. and if i to recorvery mode i get a segmentation fault after some /scripts are run
[11:23] <`Matir> anyone else feel that gutsy is laggy?
[11:24] <Pici> omha: The bug is coming from your bios or from Ubuntu?
[11:25] <omha> Pici, the kernel
[11:25] <Pici> omha: hmm
[11:25] <omha> Pici, i also get it in feisty but there i dont need to hit keys and power off to boot
[11:26] <Pici> I'd check for it on launchpad
[11:28] <omha> i did but did not find anything
[11:28] <omha> or anything relativ
[11:30] <Assid> laggy ?
[11:33] <omha> laggy?
[11:34] <Assid> woulda been nice if kde4 made it to gutsys release
[11:35] <omha> yea
[11:35] <omha> but im a gnome kinda man ;)
[11:35] <omha> isnt KDE4 scheduled some weeks after gutsy release?
[11:35] <Assid> thinkso
[11:37] <Assid> 303 packages done so far.. 55%
[11:38] <Assid> `Matir: why do you find it laggy?
[11:38] <Assid> i wish i started this before .. i coulda been done by now..
[11:39] <`Matir> I don't know... it maybe something in my configuration
[11:52] <Assid> err.. isnt gutsy gonna use the latest kernel ?
[11:53] <Assid> oh wait it does
[11:54] <Pici> Its not budging from 2.6.22
[11:54] <Assid> huh?
[11:55] <SeveredCross> 2.6.22 is latest, isn't it?
[11:55] <Pici> Latest stable iirc
[11:55] <Assid> yes it is
[11:55] <Assid> my bad
[12:07] <DanaG> My brightness bug, and the audio bug I attached info for, have not seen developer responses.
[12:09] <Assid> Format of daily data statistics files has changed in version 7.1.3 of sysstat and is *not* compatible with the previous one!
[12:09] <Assid> what do i do here?
[12:12] <Pici> Whats the question?
[12:14] <Assid> Pici:  never mind..
[12:15] <Assid> it asked if i wanted to change how /var/log/sysstat was handled
[12:15] <Assid> *** stack smashing detected ***: /usr/sbin/dhelp_parse terminated
[12:15] <Assid> warning: error occured during execution of /usr/sbin/dhelp_parse at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 353.
[12:15] <Assid> got that during the upgrade