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Pointers to the relevant discussion/blueprints fine [02:39] Every partition has an UUID, but not necessarily a label. [02:40] Caesar: don't have the details off the top of my head, but it's basically because UUIDs are device unique, so you can plug in two identical external hard drives, for instance, and it'll still know which is which and mount it correctly rather than just first in order [02:40] Multiple partitions may have the same label, but not likely the same UUID. [02:42] Thanks ion_, mthaddon === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] shouldn't displayconfig-gtk dep on xserver-xorg-video-vesa or something? === tck [n=tck@192.122.221.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] Nafallo: Why? === Nattgew [n=Nattgew@12-215-246-213.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:55] isn't that part of the bulletproof-X thing that should fall back to VESA and just that app instead of showing the ncurses-based /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [02:56] Oh, maybe. But still, displayconfig-gtk doesn't really need to depend on a specific X driver. [02:57] Maybe some other package wants to. Our standard X packages already depend on all the various drivers, so... [02:57] it does not. I have only vesa and ati installed right now. [02:58] I need only one to satisfy the depends. [02:59] xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 | xserver-xorg-video [02:59] Aaaah. [02:59] Right. [02:59] But all of them are installed by default. [03:00] Maybe the xserver wants to depend on vesa & those. [03:00] I'm not sure why it recommends them as well thou [03:00] yea. vesa might be a good dep as well. [03:00] bryce: you might want to read the discussion above this hilight :-) [03:00] Although vesa isn't actually cross platform, of course. [03:00] ok [03:00] Hello x86 centicism! [03:01] bryce: oh. I thought you was asleep :-) === RAOF invents new misspelled words. [03:01] bryce: what do you think? :-) [03:01] it shouldn't depend on a driver, but I've been wondering if it should be a dependency of something [03:02] I've got it hooked in via gdm, so gdm is one possibility. Most of the files are kept in xorg, though, so that's another [03:02] I guess it will actually need to be if we are going to use it as a fall-back :-P [03:02] but I'm not certain what would be best [03:02] right... [03:02] in theory it would not be gdm-specific, if we could get a failsafe functionality in kdm [03:03] but presently it only works with gdm [03:03] You could just recommend it in xorg, couldn't you? [03:03] maybe [03:03] The "apt auto-installs recommends for metapackages" will get done for Gutsy, right? [03:03] more importantly, we also need to decide about adding displayconfig-gtk to the seeds [03:03] RAOF: should be a depend somewhere I think... we don't want users to accidently kill fall-back. [03:04] Nafallo: Eeeh, maybe. [03:04] bryce: if I change xorg.conf to use at instead of ati it should kick in, right? :-) [03:04] right [03:04] I'll test that in a bit then :-) [03:04] hang on; I've got a new version to upload [03:05] oh. oki :-) [03:05] it has a better auto-xorg.conf generator that will pull in your preferred keyboard settings, and get the pci stuff right [03:05] I'll test it after upgrade then :-) === scottDkoDer [n=Scott@c-75-71-10-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:07] gut feeling says it should be a dep of xserver-xorg rather than gdm :-) === DShepherd [n=dwight@72.252.133.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] and maybe kill the recommends on -all packages at the same time. those are already first of alternative deps. [03:10] ah yeah, good point [03:11] Nafallo: I think you still want to recommend them though, right? [03:11] any other xorg changes we need while you're at it? [03:11] RAOF: why? [03:11] er, while *I'm* at it [03:11] RAOF: it's redundant :-) [03:11] Because even if you've satisfied the dependency with a single driver, you still want to recommend all the drivers. === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] bryce: not that pops out, but then I haven't looked that closely. just saw it when I was killing off some more packages from my harddrive :-) [03:12] RAOF: why? [03:12] Nafallo: Because it's still useful? It means people can just drop in any old graphics card and expect it to work. [03:13] RAOF: it's the first dep, so goes in as default. if the user uninstalls those things he hopefully knows whats his doing. [03:13] True. [03:13] Robot101: as long as we don't cut out the new and improved fall-back path that powerusers might not know about :-) [03:13] bryce: maybe kill off ctrl+alt+backspace? ;-) [03:14] ah yeah, I think I promised that, too [03:14] SAK is enough for anyone :) [03:14] that one's going to be controversial [03:14] s/Robot101/RAOF/ [03:14] Oh, you're serious! [03:14] What's the rationale for that? [03:14] bryce: yes :-) [03:14] bryce: I'm tired of the discussions on the spec ;-) [03:15] RAOF: kills data hard and fast if the user accidently hits it. [03:15] causing dataloss [03:15] thats the biggest I think :-) [03:15] Nafallo: Ok. Yeah. [03:17] well, I use ctrl-alt-bksp every day, multiple times, so will feel the pain of it going. However, I figure anyone like me that actually does use and need it, probably is adequately knowledgeable to fiddle xorg.conf to turn it back on [03:17] how easy is it to accidentally hit those key combinations? not very easy imho [03:17] plus like Nafallo says, it's truly a data-loss issue, and since ubuntu is geared towards making rounded edges and such for users, I think it makes sense [03:18] bryce: if not we need a graphical tickbox to turn it on somewhere :-) [03:18] DShepherd: agreed, however I guess some users do. It sounds like there's some apps that use keyboard shortcuts similar enough to that, that they do get hit [03:18] Can we (easily) catch it in a different way? I suppose not, really. That'd defeat the purpose. [03:18] Nafallo: agreed; ideas on where it makes sense? I was thinking displayconfig-gtk [03:19] bryce: doesn't make sense I don't think. somewhere in gnome-control-center, and I'm sure KDE has an equivalent of that :-) [03:19] bryce, ok. well as long as I can turn it back on :-) i have no problem-ish [03:20] yeah I plan to leave a friendly comment in xorg.conf for us hackers [03:20] bryce: keyboard shortcuts should be obvious. keyboard -> layoutoptions or whatsitcalled in english might be good as well :-) [03:21] Nafallo, agreed [03:21] sounds logical [03:21] yeah the tricky thing is that this setting is in xorg.conf rather than in the gnome config [03:22] but that should only take a sed or two ;-) it'll just be a tad mussy [03:22] hehe [03:23] bryce: sed for the featurefreeze and fix it proper before release then :-) [03:23] s/release/final/ === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] bryce, well.. its a 'hardcore' thing to do... so i dont think you need to find a place in the gui to turn it back on.. === scottDkoDer [n=Scott@c-75-71-10-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] bryce, it might just end up confusing us 'old' folks :-) === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] DShepherd: yeah true [03:25] bryce, i am going to the cli.. anyways..and I bet most people who are going to turn it back on.. are fairly familar with the CLI.. [03:26] bryce, but .. thats what i think.. === bryce nods [03:26] well that's what led me to think that just sticking in a friendly comment in xorg.conf might be sufficient === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:26] bryce: so upload and see what users do :-) [03:26] but we'll see, I'm certain we'll get feedback on this one [03:26] hehe [03:27] bryce, you sure will.. [03:27] "I cant kill x. what happened?" [03:27] "we disabled it but you can enabled it" [03:27] "oh how" [03:27] .... [03:27] "ah. thanks" [03:28] and life goes on! [03:28] :-) [03:28] "X is *too* bulletproof..." [03:33] "This is a very annoying problem for me, as I am working with an [03:33] application that uses Ctrl+Alt+End as a hotkey, and End is right above [03:33] Backspace on my laptop keyboard." [03:35] I think the consequences really does outweight the advantage :-) [03:35] those that use it probably does it cause they are to lazy to ctrl+alt+f1 + login + sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart [03:35] :-P [03:38] Heya Nafallo [03:38] hi bddebian === scottDkoDer [n=Scott@c-75-71-10-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:39] bryce, question though.. would a 'newbie' have to reboot the machine to get X changes? cause that's so tedious.. [03:40] stuff in xorg.conf only gets parsed at X startup, so they'd at least need to restart X [03:40] doesn't X get restarted on logout now? [03:40] (which I'd generally do by just ctrl-alt-backspace, however in this case...) [03:40] Nafallo, that's what i want to know.. [03:40] yup, just going back to the login screen should be plenty sufficient [03:40] bryce, does it? ^ [03:41] bryce, kool.. well that ok for me [03:41] then it's a non-problem. [03:41] Nafallo, right [03:41] I can't see any reason not to do it. [03:41] Nafallo, same here.. bryce .. fire away [03:41] and I would prefer logout/login before zapping stuff anyway :-) [03:42] Nafallo, well.... [03:42] here's what I'm adding, lemme know if this looks ok - http://pastebin.ca/656398 [03:42] Nafallo, it depends for me :-) .. cause sometimes.. things just need to get zapped :-D [03:42] there is always a risk of things hanging around while zapping. logout would kill things the proper way AFAIK [03:43] Nafallo, i guess [03:43] bryce: instead of changing the option, propose to comment it? :-) [03:44] "use default" [03:44] default behaviour even [03:44] but that's just me not wanting to specify defaults in configs ;-) [03:45] I'm fine with that wording :-) [03:45] bryce, why not just say.. restarting x -- instead of making xorg terminate.. [03:45] ok [03:45] Xorg.. which works.. [03:46] although technically it doesn't restart X, it just terminates it. gdm is what restarts things [03:46] bryce, point taken [03:46] I'll say "exiting" [03:46] bryce, but i knew that :-D [03:46] hehehehehe [03:47] because it is zapping :-) [03:47] *s* [03:47] quiz time [03:48] xorg now auto-loads modules like dri, vbe, etc. === mrsno__ [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs3-0-0-cust868.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] I think terminate is good wording actually. Zap implies termination rather then exit :-) [03:48] exit sounds to cleanish ;-) [03:48] who knows how to *disable* an autoloaded module? [03:49] why would you want to? I trust it to not load things I wouldn't need, right? [03:49] bryce, well, right now. i dont [03:49] there are some drivers which don't work properly with certain modules [03:49] bryce, its not smart enough to know which module works best with which drivers? [03:50] what DShepherd said... :-) [03:50] not always [03:50] answer here: http://pastebin.ca/656409 === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:50] bryce, hmm... [03:50] bryce, oh. well I know now [03:51] I'm thinking of adding that to the xorg.conf - it would not be unlikely that someone editing their xorg.conf might need to be doing that, so this'd give them that clue [03:51] I should have guessed :-) [03:51] took me a while to figure that one out ;-) [03:51] bryce, ok [03:51] to logic? :-) [03:51] hardly anyone will need that, but then, hardly anyone should need to touch their xorg.conf [03:52] bryce: that one really should be in documentation rather then the conffile... again, gut feeling :-) [03:53] Nafallo, i dont mind that though [03:53] bryce: those that needs to know that know about /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/, right? :-) [03:53] hmm, true === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] DShepherd: I thought we wanted a smaller xorg.conf. that's why I'm a bit hesistant :-) [03:53] ah, commented out lines don't count ;-) [03:54] bryce: still clutter ;-) [03:54] actually the reason I thought to add this is that for feisty, the dropping of the Modules section is new, and may confuse people [03:54] more to read. harder for the n00b to find what he should do. === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-24d117b5cf416881] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] most n00bs will probably be on IRC-channels asking anyway. [03:55] and thats from #ubuntu-se experience :-P [03:56] Nafallo, i vote to keep it in [03:56] its just 8 lines.. and its good info [03:56] no need to hide it :-) [03:56] i think.. [03:56] sure. put it in. I'll take a look when I see the entire file instead ;-) [03:58] infinity: Ping, re: libnss-db again [04:01] hmm, looks like it's not documented in the xorg.conf man page either. I'll patch that up next time I do xorg-server [04:02] bryce: you will soon, right? drop recommends, add depend and now manpage :-) [04:03] the xorg upload will be tonight or tomorrow morning depending on when I can find a sponsor. But the man page is over in the xorg-server package, so that's separate [04:05] oki :-) === Nafallo looks at StevenK [04:06] bryce: think you got a core-dev right there ;-) [04:06] heh [04:08] I've been having a build issue with xorg-server trying to sync to debian, probably a mesa mis-match. So the man page change may have to wait a bit. [04:08] oki [04:14] http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/xorg/ [04:15] I'll post for upload once I've run it through my qa scripts, but the dexconf change is the only thing risky there [04:17] bbl (dinner) === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] LP uploads are down? === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-159-249.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn152.91-127-148.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Monk-e [i=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.105.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d108.87-197-167.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d170.84-47-51.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scottDkoDer [n=Scott@c-75-71-10-43.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] bryce: I feel xorg-driver-video-vesa should be depend for xorg-server since displayconfig-gtk is and both are part of the fallback :-) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.145.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ijuz_ [n=ijuz@p54ABDAF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jgoss [n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-28-18.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] Good morning === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:53] Morning pitti. [07:54] Say, you sprecken sie deutch, nein? === martink [n=martin@84-75-131-205.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] If I install the language-support-de, and set LC_ALL=de_AT, LANGUAGE=de_AT, and LANG=de_AT on my login session, everything should be in german, correct? [07:58] hey sbalneav [07:59] sbalneav: LANGUAGE=de, but yes (if you want Austrian German :) ) [07:59] sbalneav: you can just select German in gdm's option menu (and just for one session) [07:59] Ah, it worked [07:59] Sorry, ltsp stuff, the new greeter. [08:00] I selected de_DE.UTF8 [08:00] My system menu still says "system" in english [08:00] sbalneav: that's ok, it's the same in German [08:00] but under it, I have Einstellungen, Systemverwaltung, Info zu GNOME [08:01] sbalneav: klingt Deutsch [08:02] Du musst amboss oder hammer sein. [08:02] lol [08:02] Bonus points for guessing the german philosopher who said that. [08:03] No googling, now [08:04] no idea, sorry :/ [08:04] I'll give you a hint: he was saved by his mistress when Napoleon's sodiers invaded his house. She beat them off with a stick. [08:04] sounds like a communist [08:04] Goethe [08:04] wow [08:05] I am a fount of useless trivial. [08:05] err [08:05] trivia [08:07] pitti: What time does ogra usually wander in? [08:08] sbalneav: relatively late, usually not before 0900 UTC === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand [n=rsamson@hoth.linagora.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:21] mhb, Riddell: any idea about http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8800635/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.restricted-manager_0.27_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? [08:22] mhb, Riddell: I don't have pyqtconfig either, but it builds for me [08:26] good morning === fyrestrtr [n=burhan@pdpc/supporter/student/fyrestrtr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wayne_ [n=wayne@p54915429.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jose244 [n=josebigp@adsl-3-194-246.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hat [n=hatem@86.60.72.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hello [08:48] i have problem with VLC program [08:49] i want to open file py UDP/RTP port by command line [08:49] how can i do that [08:49] #ubuntu for support [08:50] ok Dear thanks === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hat [n=hatem@86.60.72.112] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67139.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] is canonical planning to release launchpad as opensource? I would love to see how that is developed :) [09:21] fyrestrtr: you want to ask in #launchpad :) [09:21] ah .. thanks. [09:21] no problem [09:21] so many channels. [09:21] yeah no problem === fyrestrtr [n=burhan@pdpc/supporter/student/fyrestrtr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === evand_ [n=evand@acm.pct.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] tracker is included by default in gutsy, right? Is it included in vanilla Gnome too? [09:27] mdke, no, I don't think so [09:27] right, that's what I thought too; thanks === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-122-129.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEEBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] morning === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.145.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] hey asac ! === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@111.213-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] pygi: hi === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gizmo [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-46.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-232.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] mhb, Riddell: re my previous question, I got it (Debian bug 435855, was recently merged) [10:11] Debian bug 435855 in python-qt-dev "python-qt-dev: pyqtconfig.py shipped in both python-qt3 and python-qt-dev" [Serious,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/435855 [10:12] groovy [10:12] I had e-mailed you [10:12] Riddell: thanks, just saw it === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:13] pitti: How do you feel about doing some NBS work? :-) [10:14] StevenK: for you, always :) === Hobbsee waves === pitti hugs Hobbsee [10:14] pitti: :-) === Hobbsee hugs pitti :D [10:14] pitti: If you can wave vips through binary NEW, I'll upload nip2, and that should get two down in a publisher run or two. [10:16] pitti: I'll upload nip2 now. It has a versioned dependancy on libvips-dev, so it'll either fail and need to be given back, or just hit depwait and deal itself. [10:16] StevenK: the latter should happen [10:16] pitti: My thought too, but just in case it doesn't. :-) [10:17] Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): [10:17] Connection failed, aborting. Check your network (111, 'Connection refused') [10:17] Hum. [10:18] vips accepted [10:18] pitti: Thanks. Would you mind pointing a sysadmin at ^ [10:19] StevenK: poked [10:22] StevenK: should work again [10:22] Just saw myself about 20 seconds before you said that. :-) === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEEBBC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK pushes nip2's 8Mb orig tarball to drescher. === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@5.21-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@ubuntu/member/stefans/x-00001] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] <_StefanS_> doko: hi, it seems like compiling in lpia is broken since yesterday [10:34] _StefanS_: what exactly? [10:35] <_StefanS_> doko: checking if C++ programs can be compiled... no [10:35] <_StefanS_> doko: configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs. [10:35] <_StefanS_> :) [10:36] <_StefanS_> doko: all gcc, libstdc. headers, g++ and the like are installed. Along with build-essential. It worked yesterday [10:36] _StefanS_: please have a look at the config.log, it should have more details [10:36] <_StefanS_> doko: /usr/include/stdio.h:34:21: error: stddef.h: No such file or directory [10:37] <_StefanS_> doko: got 100+ of lines with missing standard libraries === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] _StefanS_: ok, see it here as well, not with gcc-4.1, but with gcc-4.2 [10:40] pitti: can you give-back freesci, mgcv, kernsmooth ppc and amd64, and libmail-box-perl, eric on i386 please ? [10:40] <_StefanS_> doko: can you fix it ? :) [10:40] <_StefanS_> doko: I have a few packages that need to be fixed in order to have all kde stuff done [10:40] _StefanS_: have to find the reason first ... [10:40] <_StefanS_> obviously :) [10:41] Lutin: done; btw, no need to tell the arches, I'll just give them back on all that failed [10:42] pitti: ok :) . thanks === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] pitti: Would you mind seeing if nip2 has hit drescher? I haven't gotten an accepted mail, and it hasn't hit LP yet. === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] StevenK: hm, it's not in accepted [10:54] StevenK: in done, the last nip2 upload is seven weeks old [10:54] nip2_7.12.4-1ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [10:55] I uploaded that about 20 minutes ago .... [10:56] *scratching head* [10:56] I cannot find it anywhere [10:57] StevenK: ah, got it [10:57] StevenK: still in incoming [10:57] for some reason [10:57] Ah. I was about to offer to re-upload it. [10:57] Not surprising that it's still there... when one part of Soyuz backend breaks the rest usually does too :( [10:58] pitti: Maybe the queue processor isn't running? === pitti asks === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] StevenK: ah [10:59] IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/.lock' [10:59] StevenK: ^ I just ran it by hand [10:59] Um... [10:59] _StefanS_: ok, found, wil be fixed soon [10:59] Ah. It's busticated. [11:00] <_StefanS_> doko: sweet :D [11:00] again [11:00] <_StefanS_> doko: thanks alot [11:00] StevenK: no, I am, sorry [11:00] StevenK: ran it as the wrong users [11:00] pitti: Wrong user? [11:00] Hahha, yes. [11:00] pitti: Heh [11:00] Fujitsu: I'm a bit confused [11:00] the cronjob belogns to lp_queue, but the lock file is owned by lp_upload === Dessan [n=andrew@ip68-105-63-168.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] ok, I got it; apparently the lock file was stale [11:05] Stale lockfiles ?? Surely it should be using fcntl or flock ? [11:05] StevenK: it's in done now [11:05] iwj: I guess that's what it does [11:05] iwj: but the lock file that lp_buildd creates and uses was owned by lp_upload, which made it except out with an EPERM [11:06] I guess that was just a fallout from the uploader crash this morning [11:06] StevenK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nip2/7.12.4-1ubuntu1 === asac_ [n=asac@e177167029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-95.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@vc-196-207-32-232.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] pitti: Thanks === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-28bc1d59368d2a40] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] pitti: would you know why this happens: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8807191/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.libmail-box-perl_2.070-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? (bith packages are in universe and libtest-harness-perl is 2.64 in ubuntu) === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-112-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] Lutin: I bet it's because perl-modules Provides: libtest-harness-perl [11:32] Lutin: and apparently the dependency resolver isn't clever enough for that [11:32] hi pitti [11:32] hey tkamppeter [11:32] Lutin: I bet it fails on Debian, too [11:32] pitti, have you seen my mail yesterday? CUPS 1.3 is officially released. [11:33] Lutin: just because Debian doesn't build arch:all on buildds, they won't notice === martink [n=martink@216.239.55.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] tkamppeter: yep, I saw; not sure whether this kind of last-minute switch is something we should do [11:33] tkamppeter: does it work with hplip and all the other drivers and backends that we have? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] libtest-harness-perl: already installed (=*=PROVIDED=*= >= 2.62 is satisfied) [11:34] Lutin: ^ [11:34] morning seb128 [11:34] It will avoid a generation change for the gutsy+1 LTS when we do the change now. [11:34] hi Hobbsee [11:34] tkamppeter: true that === Hobbsee hugs k3b [11:35] We will also have 2 months for bug fixing until Gutsy will get released. [11:35] tkamppeter: right [11:36] pitti: ok, I see [11:36] thanks [11:36] tkamppeter: so if you are prepared to have a look on the bug list, that's fine [11:36] And I think users will complain if they get CUPS 1.2 with their distro and CUPS 1.3 is released. [11:36] tkamppeter: btw, can you test the hplip driver? I need to fix the apparmor profile and got some logs, but it would be nice to test it before I upload [11:37] tkamppeter: most users won't care, I guess [11:37] tkamppeter: gss is in universe, though, that needs a MIR and checking [11:37] pitti, some printouts with HPLIP I already did but I will do more testing. [11:38] pitti: but libtest-harness-perl is also a separate source package, why isn't that used instead of the provided version ? [11:38] tkamppeter: the current cups in gutsy should fail with hplip with the aa profile enabled [11:38] Lutin: see above line I quoted; the dependency resolver in the buildd does the wrong thing [11:38] Only problem which I have seen recently, but this is independent of the CUPS version, is the broken poppler filter. [11:38] Lutin: that's an infinity problem, I'm afraid [11:38] tkamppeter: right, printing pdf is busticated [11:39] tkamppeter: geser attached the diff of the old and new .ps, was that conclusive somehow? [11:39] tkamppeter: probably something we should forward to the poppler upstream guys [11:39] pitti, for this I have compiled the original pdftops as a workaround (not in the packages, only on my local box) [11:40] pitti, I think so, too, for them it is probably much easier than for us to fix it. [11:41] tkamppeter: a nasty fallback hack if all else fails could be to modify cups' pdftops filter to use pdf2ps from ghostscript instead of pdftops from poppler [11:41] pitti, I will test the HPLIP with "sudo aa-complain cupsd" and send you the /var/log/syslog which contains the complaints. [11:41] tkamppeter: I have that log already [11:42] tkamppeter: I'll provide an updated profile; once I have it, can I send it to you for a final test? [11:42] pitti, yes, whre we have Ghostscript 8.6x now we can use Ghostscript as PDF interpreter. === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] pitti, yes, send it to me. [11:42] tkamppeter: great, thanks [11:44] pitti: btw, when using requestsync -n , the email gets rejected from Malone it tries to affect ubuntu/%srcpkg, which does not exist. the following patch (http://people.dunnewind.net/lutin/requestsync.patch) should fix it, mind having a look at it ? [11:45] pitti, how can I see whether an already installed package is in main or in universe? [11:45] anyone know when dholbach gets back? maybe seb128? [11:45] Hobbsee: next week [11:45] Lutin: ah, that makes sense, thanks [11:45] seb128: ah, great! thanks. [11:45] you're welcome === Hobbsee can pick his brains then, then. [11:46] tkamppeter: just use "rmadison -u ubuntu " [11:46] pitti: np [11:48] pitti, thank you, did not know the rmadison command before. [11:48] Lutin: Ah ha. I can patch it if you like. [11:49] I have a devscripts merge pending upload as soon as I fix a few conflicts. [11:49] please [11:49] There are two build-depends of the new cupsys in Universe: heimdal and libgss [11:50] tkamppeter: erk, heimdal? doesn't it work with the MIT implementation? [11:50] tkamppeter: (libkrb5-dev) [11:50] tkamppeter: I would really like to avoid getting that into main again === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] StevenK: yep, thanks [11:54] mhb: if you have some minutes, can you please look at bugs like bug 131483? [11:54] Bug 131483 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/131483 is private === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:55] mhb: (public now) [11:56] Lutin: I'll try and sort out devscripts tonight. [11:56] StevenK: ok === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] Why does compiz keep eating my configuration on upgrades? And eliminating keyboard shortcuts, causing my machine to remain unlocked? === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:27] Fujitsu: do you have the latest compiz from gutsy? that one is meant to give a much improved compatiblity with the old metacity keysettings [12:28] mvo: The latest one /broke/ them. === pitti wonders where the setfacl command has gone to [12:28] command-not-found claims it's in package 'acl' which does not exist [12:28] All the previous versions worked, but this one reset all my config again, and eliminated some keybindings which I can't work out how to restore. [12:28] pitti: I'm sure it's in acl... [12:29] oh, I see, apt-get update md5sum mismatch *grumpf* [12:29] pitti: the data for c-n-f is not up-to-date unforatunately [12:29] Fujitsu: hrm, that is bad :/ [12:29] mvo: seems to work now [12:30] Fujitsu: did all of them broke? or only some? [12:30] setfacl: /dev/bus/usb/003/009: Operation not supported [12:30] seems that our tmpfs doesn't support ACLs yet :/ [12:31] pitti: # CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL is not set (from /boot/config-2.6.22-9-generic) [12:31] yeah [12:31] who look for ~ubuntu-main-sponsors ? [12:32] MOTU ? [12:32] Kmos: the ubuntu-main-sponsors members [12:32] Kmos: no, MOTU is for universe [12:32] mvo: I haven't used anything special other than screen-locking in the past. [12:33]