[02:03] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> Btw why classroom?
[02:03] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> less traffic
[02:03] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> you try anything else?
[02:03] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> no, not after the reinstall
[02:03] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> I was just about to cp/ln the file from usr/share/pycentral/python-cairo/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py to the version specific dirs
[02:04] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah, using ln would probably work, but you won't know why it failed to install
[02:04] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> and it happens constantly now without error during apt
[02:05] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> what does this command return: pyversions -vr all
[02:05] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> 2.4 2.5
[02:06] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> hmm
[02:06] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> odd I know
[02:06] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> meanwhile what where the version-specific correct dirs to ln init to?
[02:07] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py -> /usr/share/pycentral/python-cairo/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py
[02:07] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> on feisty
[02:07] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> thanks
[02:07] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> what does purging want to do?
[02:08] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> what was the aptitude for it?
[02:08] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> aptitude purge python-cairo
[02:09] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> http://rafb.net/p/NGCf4P23.html
[02:10] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> ok, we wont do that
[02:10] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> maybe we can try dpkg
[02:10] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> it should purge it without caring that things will be temorarily broken
[02:10] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> --purge?
[02:10] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah
[02:11] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> hmm
[02:11] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> dpkg - warning: while removing python-cairo, directory `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/cairo' not empty so not removed.
[02:11] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I would rm -rf that
[02:11] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> there's a .la there
[02:11] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah I'll do that
[02:11] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> or just rename it
[02:12] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> I'll also do an apt-get clean to make the package redownload
[02:12] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, that's a good idea too
[02:12] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I'll be back in a few minutes
[02:13] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> no __init__ after install in either version
[02:15] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> dh_pycentral is supposed to be creating these things
[02:17] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> wouldn't it be easier to somehow change site.py so it adds /usr/share/pycentral to sys.path ?
[02:18] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> well that might mess things up because not all python scripts will work in both 2.4 and 2.5
[02:18] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I just purged here and then installed and it worked :/
[02:18] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> there's another module missing in 2.5 that's there in pycentral
[02:19] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> I'm feeling like doing a full python 2.5 reinstall
[02:19] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> sigh
[02:19] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> 1.2.0-1ubuntu2 is the version you have right?
[02:19] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> of python-cairo you mean?
[02:19] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah
[02:22] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> I wonder if I can use dh_pycentral by hand
[02:25] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> Lars_G: when you do 'apt-cache policy python-cairo' you get 1.2.0-1ubuntu2 ?
[02:26] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> yep
[02:27] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> how did I check/extract the scripts from the .deb to read them?
[02:27] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> Lars_G: you should do 'apt-get source PACKAGE' and look at that
[02:27] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> dpkg -x file.deb LOCATION   will extract a .deb though
[02:28] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> hmmm neither is perfect but ok
[02:28] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> btw I see stuff like: status half-configured python-cairo 1.2.0-1ubuntu2
[02:29] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> AndyP: status half-installed python-cairo 1.2.0-1ubuntu2
[02:29] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> In dpkg.log
[02:29] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> ah well I give up
[02:29] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> for today
[02:29] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> hmm
[02:29] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> thanks jrib
[02:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> try 'dpkg --configure python-cairo' maybe
[02:30] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> nope said it had already been configured I tried already
[02:30] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> also tried dpkg-reconfigure
[02:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I'm kind of curious as to what's going on
[02:30] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> Me too but now I NEED to wind down, I'll find this out tomorrow
[02:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> alright, relax then :)
[02:31] <Lars_G:#ubuntu-classroom> thanks
[03:22] <bicchi> Are there any videos of ubuntu running on the samsung q1?
[03:23] <bicchi> It would be nice to show people a demo that ubuntu boots and works.
[03:27] <bicchi> Would i get the same screen/gui as my Ubuntu desktop running gnome? What about the apps?
[05:19] <matt_c> bicchi: I believe that if you were to run ubuntu-mobile it would look something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserInterface
[05:19] <matt_c> the UI is based on Hildon and Matchbox, the same components of Nokia's internet tablets.
[05:20] <matt_c> (I'm just a newb who's been hanging around, so these are not authoritative answers)
[05:20] <matt_c> IIRC the main desktop UI is currently flash-based.
[03:02] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> jrib: even with the live cd im getting that firmware error...but it bypassed it somehow?
[03:04] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> twofclubs: there's something else going on with the other install since it couldn't fine apt-get
[03:04] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> find even
[03:04] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> hmm...any idea what could be causing this problem? maybe a clean install of ubuntu could fix it?
[03:04] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> k im on the live cd now
[03:05] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> we can try to troubleshoot a bit after you backup your files
[03:05] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> alright
[03:05] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> that sounds good to me
[03:06] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> should i have my external hard drive connected?
[03:06] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah
[03:06] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> and on?
[03:06] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> that should get auto-mounted when you plug it in like usual
[03:06] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> k
[03:07] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> just leme know what to do next , when you are ready
[03:07] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> it detected it
[03:07] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, now open up a terminal and do 'sudo fdisk -l'
[03:08] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> hang on leme just sign into ubuntu-classroom with the other comp so i can let you knwo what it says
[03:08] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> i'll be back in a few seconds
[03:11] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> hey jrib im back
[03:12] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k
[03:13] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> http://pastebin.com/m4a52f674
[03:13] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> there's my fdisk
[03:14] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> what should i do next?
[03:14] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu && sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/ubuntu
[03:15] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> mk
[03:15] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> did that succeed without error?
[03:15] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> i copied and pasted that into the terminal and i now have a ubuntu disc
[03:15] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> on my desktop
[03:16] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> ok, you should be able to browse that now by just double clicking
[03:17] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> grr...i can't copy it to my disc...says i don't have permission to write to this folder or something
[03:18] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> do 'gksudo nautilus' in a terminal
[03:18] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> k
[03:18] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> root folder popped up
[03:20] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> you should be able to use that window to go to /media/ubuntu/home and copy twoofclubs directory to your usb drive
[03:21] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> no i can't seem to find it
[03:21] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> pastebin 'ls /media/ubuntu'
[03:22] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> http://pastebin.com/m6b2bd6b9
[03:23] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> how about 'ls /media/ubuntu/home'?
[03:24] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> twofclubs is what it says
[03:24] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> we can just do this in the terminal I suppose
[03:24] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /media/ubuntu/home
[03:24] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> twofclubs
[03:24] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> where is your usb drive mounted?
[03:24] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> should be somehwere in /media
[03:24] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> i dunno...i see the disk on the desktop
[03:24] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> ls /media
[03:25] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> disk  ubuntu
[03:25] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> ^that's what i get
[03:25] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> but when i double click on desktop in nautilus..there is nothing there?
[03:25] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, do you know if you have enough space on /media/disk to copy everything?
[03:25] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> 460GB
[03:26] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> but is there anyway just to pull out the twofclubs directory?
[03:26] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah
[03:26] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> is there already a twofclubs directory in /media/disk?
[03:26] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> no i have a lost and found folder and a folder called documents
[03:27] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> that's all
[03:27] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, just do this then: sudo cp -av /media/ubuntu/home/twofclubs /media/disk
[03:28] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> ahh i see it's making a whole new folder...that's good
[03:28] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> so why would it allow me to do it this way, and not the click and drag way?
[03:28] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> sudo does it as root
[03:28] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> oh right
[03:29] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> now if i install a new working copy of ubuntu...will i have to enable permission to access this disk or something?
[03:29] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> possibly
[03:30] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> it's copying by the way...that's great news
[03:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> all the stuff will be root owned so you would have to chown it back
[03:30] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> hmm, i wish i knew what that meant
[03:31] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> we can create a tar.gz of your home too and then you would just extract it to /home and that would be it
[03:31] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I did it this way first so that you could get at your documents without them being in an archive
[03:31] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> that is wonderful
[03:32] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> i must have a lot of info on there
[03:33] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> what would be the command to extract the tar.gz from the disk to the home folder?
[03:33] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> once we create it of course
[03:33] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> and i have a working copy of ubuntu
[03:33] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> cd /home && sudo tar xf /path/to/the/tar.gz
[03:34] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> so home/twofclubs/Desktop/disk/?
[03:35] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> for the path to the tar.gz?
[03:35] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> yea
[03:35] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> your usb drive usually gets mounted in /media
[03:35] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> so /media/disk/name_of_tar.gz
[03:37] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> i am so thankful for all your help so far, you have saved me hours worth of anguish
[03:39] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> it's still copying btw...just as an update
[03:39] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> is it past the middle of the alphabet yet?
[03:40] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> it's at M...but it should be over in a few minutes
[03:40] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> if you have to get going i understand :)
[03:41] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> when you're done, to create the tar.gz archive: cd /media/ubuntu/home; sudo tar cvzf /media/disk/twofclubs_home_backup.tar.gz twofclubs/
[03:41] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> mk
[03:41] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> after that you should feel a little more comfortable trying things to fix your current install :)  Just reboot and explain the issue to #ubuntu again
[03:42] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> k
[03:43] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> can i just copy and paste that into the terminal
[03:44] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> yeah
[03:44] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> wonderful
[03:44] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> can i send you a thank you card or something?
[03:44] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> hah
[03:45] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> heh
[03:47] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I'll be away for a few now
[03:48] <twofclubs:#ubuntu-classroom> alright thanks again
[04:46] <dantalizing> does the current mobile version support touchscreen?
[04:46] <amitk_> dantalizing: yes it does
[04:48] <dantalizing> and are the umpc chipsets supported as well as intels laptop chipsets?  or are they the same?
[04:48] <dantalizing> by "supported" i mean bluetooth, wireless, etc working
[04:51] <Mithrandir> it works for the samsung q1 ultra, at least.
[04:59] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir : Any sign of the 2 Menlow systems?
[04:59] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: not yet. :-(
[04:59] <Mithrandir> they're supposedly somewhere past amsterdam
[05:00] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir:OK thanks.
[05:08] <Mithrandir> though, it now says "proof of delivery", so unsure what's up with that.
[05:17] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: I'm slightly worried about this; is there anything I can/should do, or just stay calm for now?
[05:21] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: I think all that means is you have to sign for it.
[05:21] <Mithrandir> it's under status, though.  Three hours ago.
[05:21] <Mithrandir> so either I'm looking at a different shipment somehow, or something's wrong.
[05:23] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> jrib; I am here
[05:23] <amitk_> Mithrandir: It was showing 14 Aug ETA for me and now says 13 Aug Proof of Delivery :-/
[05:23] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> univremonster: dpkg --configure vmware-player       output on pastebin
[05:24] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> univremonster: sudo dpkg --configure vmware-player       output on pastebin
[05:24] <amitk_> what is your tracking # ?
[05:24] <amitk_> I wonder if we are seeing the same package, since it says 2 pieces there
[05:25] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> jrib; it's posted at the same website.  I assume this means the uninstall didn't work completely?
[05:25] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I'm not sure
[05:25] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> what's the url?
[05:25] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33704/
[05:26] <Mithrandir> Tracking # - 5574088
[05:26] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> how did you uninstall before?
[05:26] <amitk_> Mithrandir: we are seeing the same package :)
[05:26] <Mithrandir> heh
[05:26] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> synaptec
[05:26] <Mithrandir> that's.. useful. :-P
[05:26] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> and you never installed not using synaptic?
[05:26] <Mithrandir> and your memo ends with 3677?
[05:27] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> I did, actually.  While trying to follow the directions on Ubuntu Forums.
[05:27] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209
[05:27] <amitk_> Mithrandir: no.. 3648 and it has my address on it
[05:27] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> you have to be wary of the forums sometimes to be honest
[05:27] <Mithrandir> yes, mine has my address too.
[05:27] <Mithrandir> oh well, weird.
[05:27] <Mithrandir> I hope it'll show up tomorrow.
[05:28] <amitk_> I am guessing Intel sent it to a local office here and they will redispatch it perhaps?
[05:28] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> what does 'ls /usr/local' return?
[05:28] <Mithrandir> possibly.
[05:28] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> ls /usr/local
[05:28] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> oh oops
[05:28] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> wrong place :-)
[05:28] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> bin  firefox32  games  include  java32  lib  man  sbin  share  src
[05:29] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> ls /usr/local/bin
[05:29] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> firefox32  googleearth
[05:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, guess it doesn't install there then
[05:30] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> I think I had it install to src
[05:30] <amitk_> Mithrandir: Does DST:NLI ring a bell?
[05:30] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> yes, I did.  remonster@remonster-desktop:~/src$ ls
[05:30] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> jre1.5.0_11  jre-1_5_0_11-linux-i586.bin  skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb  vmware-server-distrib
[05:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> I see
[05:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> it probably won't do anything there
[05:30] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> do you have /usr/bin/vmware/vmware-uninstall.pl ?
[05:31] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> yes
[05:32] <Mithrandir> not really
[05:32] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, run that with sudo
[05:33] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> remonster@remonster-desktop:/usr/bin$ sudo ./vmware-uninstall.pl
[05:33] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> Uninstalling the tar installation of VMware Server.
[05:33] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> Stopping internet superserver: xinetd.
[05:33] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> Starting internet superserver: xinetd.
[05:33] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> The removal of VMware Server 1.0.3 build-44356 for Linux completed
[05:33] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> successfully. Thank you for having tried this software.
[05:33] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, now 'sudo aptitude purge vmware-player'
[05:34] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33705/
[05:35] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> now we'll delete /etc/vmware with:  sudo rm -rf /etc/vmware           be careful not to make a typo
[05:36] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> k, done
[05:36] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> ok, now lets try the install again:  sudo aptitude install vmware-player
[05:37] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> alright this may be a little dumb... How to I say "OK" to the EULA in terminal?
[05:37] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> "enter" and "space" are not working
[05:37] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> press tab
[05:37] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> then space or enter
[05:37] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> right, thanks
[05:38] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> so far so good; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33708/
[05:39] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> k, now try 'vmplayer'
[05:39] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> remonster@remonster-desktop:/etc$ vmware
[05:39] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> ldd: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: No such file or directory
[05:39] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: 299: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: not found
[05:39] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> ldd: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: No such file or directory
[05:39] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: 353: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: not found
[05:39] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> not 'vmware'
[05:39] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> oh, sorry
[05:40] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> it runs, with this error message:  (vmplayer:11063): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[05:40] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[05:40] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> gui opens?
[05:40] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> yes
[05:41] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> also, /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib32/libcairo.so.2)
[05:41] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> these might be normal, I don't know
[05:41] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> so then I just pop in an XP disc?
[05:41] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> to create your vmx for your OS, just visit easyvmx.com
[05:42] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> make it boot from cd, then run the vmx in vmware with your cd in the drive
[05:42] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> this is why I love Ubuntu... thank you a million times
[05:42] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> virtualbox is nicer imo
[05:43] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> alright I think I can make it work from here... over and out
[05:43] <jrib:#ubuntu-classroom> have fun
[05:43] <univremonster:#ubuntu-classroom> will do
[06:15] <ion_:#upstart> Did anyone else receive a spam email sent from a webmail interface at cs.stanford.edu to their upstart-devel address? :-)
[06:15] <ion_:#upstart> Pls help me get a new pc it only cost a click :(( pls pls pls This is the linck: http://blahblah God bless you!
[06:15] <AlexExtreme:#upstart> nope
[06:16] <ion_:#upstart> I reported it to abuse@cs.stanford.edu, of course.
[06:26] <bicchi> Will I be able to install and run the regular ubuntu desktop on the Samsung q1 ultra with the release of gutsy?
[06:27] <bicchi> I am talking about the running the regular 386 cd and be able to install it on the samsung q1?
[06:27] <bicchi> with the same amount of apps I have on my regular desktop?
[06:27] <agoliveira> bicchi: Yes, I already did it.
[06:27] <bicchi> really?
[06:27] <bicchi> is this the new samsung with the keyboard on the top?
[06:27] <agoliveira> Exactly.
[06:28] <bicchi> do you have pictures?
[06:28] <bicchi> i would like to see this in action
[06:28] <rob_> amitk_, when is the latest you'll take patches prior to the functional freeze deadline?
[06:28] <bicchi> agoliveira: if you have a digital camera can you take a picture and email it to me.
[06:29] <agoliveira> bicchi: Sorry, no. this Q1 is used for developping the UME so it's constantly overwritten
[06:29] <bicchi> agoliveira: but you can run gnome just like my regular desktop. no hildon stuff or anything like that.
[06:30] <agoliveira> bicchi: Yes, that's what I'm talking.
[06:30] <rob_> amitk_, we're still debugging an issue w/ SD memory cards  on the 2.6.22 kernel, it works fine on the 2.6.21 kernel (it's the same for Pierre's MMC code or our MSS patch)
[06:32] <bicchi> agoliveira: I heard about putting ubuntu on the old samsung q1 based on the centrino cpu. but i didn't know if gnome can run on the intel A110 
[06:32] <bicchi> i mean celeron not centrino
[06:33] <agoliveira> bicchi: If it comes with Vista, would be rather strange if it does not :)
[06:33] <bicchi> agoliveira: you are right but I didn't know if linux was able to run on that cpu.
[06:34] <bicchi> agoliveira: How easy was installing ubuntu. Did the regular gui installation work?
[06:34] <agoliveira> bicchi: No big deal as it's a x86 CPU.
[06:34] <bicchi> or the alternative cd?
[06:34] <agoliveira> bicchi: The desktop CD runs fine.
[06:35] <bicchi> awesome. i cann't wait for gutsy
[06:35] <bicchi> thanks for your time.
[06:38] <agoliveira> bicchi: No problem
[06:39] <bspencer> agoliveira: morning
[06:39] <bspencer> agoliveira:  any chance we can get hildon claws checked in and working today :) ?
[06:39] <agoliveira> bspencer: Hi Bob
[06:39] <bspencer> agoliveira: if I buy lunch
[06:39] <bspencer> ;)
[06:40] <agoliveira> bspencer: I was working on the PIM and Frank on Claws but I can work on Claws. I just don't think it will be ready today because I need to polish my libosso first but if all goes well, by tomorrow is very possible.
[06:41] <bspencer> I had a good chat with frank and he thinks it is ready 
[06:42] <bspencer> we'd love to get it in so we can start testing it, but we didn't want to put it on moblin.org since you already have it ready for Ubuntu-mobile
[06:42] <agoliveira> bspencer: Ok, there's some confusion here.
[06:42] <bspencer> (and since moblin.org is not the upstream for this project)
[06:42] <bspencer> yeah, I thought there might be.  So I came to chat :)
[06:42] <bspencer> set me straight
[06:42] <amitk_> rob_: alright. I'll keep the patch gate open ;)
[06:43] <agoliveira> - We do have the standard Claws in Gutsy repository.
[06:43] <agoliveira> - In my opinion, to have it on UME it needs to be hildonized
[06:43] <agoliveira> - There's a port already but I need to make a few fixes for it be able to use our hildon libs
[06:44] <bspencer> agoliveira: I thought frank sent patches for all of that
[06:44] <agoliveira> No
[06:44] <bspencer> he said he had hildonized it
[06:44] <agoliveira> What he sent me is for pure GTK.
[06:44] <agoliveira> Maybe I missed something but I don't see how it would be hildonized.
[06:44] <bspencer> hm... ok.  let me check back through some mail
[06:45] <amitk_> rob_: you have some time 4th Oct https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[06:45] <bspencer> agoliveira: a quick note about GTK and Hildon (to answer you email question).    Hildon classes are all "derived" from Gtk classes.  You can't throw out GTK just because you have Hildon
[06:45] <bspencer> and Hildon also tries to reduce its libraries as GTK replaces functionality that it has (like tap-n-hold)
[06:46] <bspencer> s/Hildon classes are all / many Hildon classes are 
[06:46] <agoliveira> bspencer: Yes I know that but if we put standard GTK interface there it will just not integrate well.
[06:46] <agoliveira> And there's libosso also.
[06:47] <agoliveira> If we are to use pure GTK there's no reason to hildonize the applications.
[06:48] <bspencer> hm... "use pure GTK" means include the standard 2.11+ GTK libraries.
[06:48] <agoliveira> Yes.
[06:48] <bspencer> apps --> Hildon --> GTK
[06:49] <bspencer> so we Hildonize applications to get the additional benefit of Hildon libraries (look and feel, drop-down menu, window panning support)
[06:49] <agoliveira> Exactly
[06:49] <bspencer> but we also include the stock GTK libraries as Hildon classes are derived from them.
[06:49] <bspencer> what are you proposing instead ?
[06:50] <agoliveira> I'm not proposing anything differnt, just that we compile the appliations to make use of the hildon stack not gtk directly.
[06:50] <agoliveira> Both will work but the hildonized versions will integrate better
[06:50] <agoliveira> as you said, look and feel, drop-down menu, window panning support, etc
[06:51] <bspencer> applications may still use some Gtk classes directly too
[06:51] <bspencer> but UI-related widgets where there are Hildon replacements should be used when possible
[06:51] <agoliveira> Exactly :)
[06:52] <bspencer> ok.  so let me check about frank's claws work again
[06:52] <bspencer> I thought he said he was ready to go, had Hildonized, etc.
[06:53] <agoliveira> We were not disagreeing :) I was wondering why Frank was insisting on not using hildon for the interface. Maybe I got it wrong.
[06:53] <bspencer> back in a few...
[06:53] <agoliveira> Ok, let me know.
[07:34] <bicchi> agoliveira: which features do not work with ubuntu desktop on the samsung q1?
[07:34] <bicchi> wireless, touch screen, etc ?
[07:34] <agoliveira> bicchi: IIRC, sound but I didn't try to make it to work.
[07:35] <agoliveira> The rest was fine. Touchscreen needs some adjustments tough.
[07:35] <bicchi> so wireless was ok.
[07:35] <bicchi> oh ok
[07:35] <bicchi> screen resolution ?
[07:35] <agoliveira> As I said, fine
[07:36] <bicchi> cool thanks.
[07:36] <agoliveira> np
[07:43] <mjg59> agoliveira: Hi! You said that I might want to wait until today to discuss stuff?
[07:44] <agoliveira> mjg59: Hi, yes we can talk.
[07:44] <mjg59> Though I need to head out in 5 minutes
[07:44] <mjg59> (Sorry, today has been awkward - power cut at home, I'm having to work from a friend's office)
[07:44] <agoliveira> mjg59: No rush. We can talk tomorrow, no problem.
[07:44] <mjg59> agoliveira: No problem
[07:46] <agoliveira> bspencer: Bob, Claws compiled with hildon interface right away. I'll have to redo my chroot to test it but so far so good :)
[07:47] <Mithrandir> sound works fine too
[07:47] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I believe so. I just don't remember to have tested.
[07:48] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: BTW, as you're still there, can you pull the libosso I just pushed?
[07:48] <agoliveira> I mean upload , of course :)
[07:48] <Mithrandir> preferably not, it's 19:48 here and I'm cleaning the apartment. :-P
[07:50] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Fine. Just make a note to do it ok? It's needed to compile the applications.
[07:50] <Mithrandir> sure
[07:50] <Mithrandir> send me an email
[07:50] <agoliveira> Deal! Good cleaning :)
[08:04] <mfrey> rusty_:  are you around?  
[08:05] <rusty_> yes
[08:05] <mfrey> rusty_:  I have made some changes to the mobile flash home plugin / flash movie and / related html to allow for a "flash api" provider
[08:05] <mfrey> I wanted to give 
[08:05] <mfrey> you the changes if you are interested
[08:06] <rusty_> cool, you can send me the patch and it's nice to cc the development list
[08:06] <rusty_> mfrey, if you have a git repository then you can also provide the URL, but patch in email works also
[08:07] <bicchi> has anyone considered running fluxbox instead of gnome on UME?
[08:07] <mfrey> rusty_:  Sure-- the work I did allows the flash movie to directly launch applications , as well as recieve async events from the home plugin
[08:07] <mfrey> using javascript
[08:08] <bspencer> agoliveira: claws:  great
[08:08] <agoliveira> bicchi: UME uses matchbox and not gnome.
[08:09] <rob_> HappyCamp and rusty_ : take a look at this bug with image-creator  http://moblin.pastebin.com/m34a47ac1
[08:09] <bicchi> agoliveira: but you told me that one can run gnome on it. So I assume that one can also run fluxbox. 
[08:10] <agoliveira> bicchi: I told you you can run Gnome on Q1.
[08:11] <bicchi> agoliveira: yes and that is what i am talking about
[08:11] <agoliveira> "(15:07:17) bicchi: has anyone considered running fluxbox instead of gnome on UME?"
[08:11] <bicchi> instead of running gnome on the Q1 run fluxbox
[08:11] <bicchi> changing the desktop environment.
[08:11] <agoliveira> Ah :) I don't see why not.
[08:11] <bicchi> sorry language barrier.
[08:12] <agoliveira> If you install the normal Ubuntu, you can run any WM you want.
[08:12] <bicchi> i am thinking of a desktop environment that has a smaller memory footprint and is less cpu intensive.
[08:12] <agoliveira> Try Xubuntu
[08:12] <bicchi> ok thanks.
[08:26] <mfrey> rusty_: I sent the email -- but it was a bit big.  I had to attach the modified Flash movie.  Hope you get it.
[08:41] <agoliveira> bspencer: Bob, claws seems to be working fine but on Q1 needs some tweaking I guess as the dimensions as a bit weird but basically it works :)
[08:41] <agoliveira> ... and with hildon ;)
[09:22] <rusty_> mfrey, ok... just got back to my desk.  I'll take a look
[09:22] <bspencer> agoliveira: can I check it out already ?
[09:23] <agoliveira> bspencer: You mean claws? Not so simple. I need to properly package, update and someone have to upload. I can send you the .deb to test if you want.
[09:23] <agoliveira> But there's a bit of deppendencies you will have to deal.
[09:25] <mfrey> rusty_: ok -- I just re-sent the email without the .fla attached 
[09:30] <bspencer> agoliveira: do you put your work in a launchpad repository that we can see, or do we have to wait until it is in gutsy to access?
[09:32] <agoliveira> bspencer: The sources go to launchpad if there is a project there so you can checkout the updated libosso and sapwood but things that are not there you need to wait for gutsy.
[09:32] <agoliveira> Or I can send you if you want.
[09:42] <lool> agoliveira: Hi; don't know whether this is intentional or not but when you're modifying file, your editor seems to recode files as UTF-8 systematically
[09:43] <lool> eg:
[09:43] <lool> - * Contact: Kimmo Hlen <kimmo.hamalainen@nokia.com>
[09:43] <lool> + * Contact: Kimmo Hmlinen <kimmo.hamalainen@nokia.com>
[09:45] <agoliveira> lool: I don't know why is that but my system is UTF-8 so...
[09:45] <agoliveira> But it's weird anyway
[09:46] <lool> agoliveira: I just wanted to inform you; what's your editor BTW?
[09:46] <agoliveira> lool: I'll pay more attention to see if I notice.
[09:46] <agoliveira> lool: Depends but mostly mcedit
[10:59] <vlt:#upstart> Hello. I just upgraded from Edgy to Feisty using aptitude. Now the system only boots to runlevel "unknown". I always have to login and run `telinit 2` to start all the daemons and the dm. What is missing here?