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[02:03] less traffic [02:03] you try anything else? [02:03] no, not after the reinstall === Julio_Gonzalez [n=chatzill@100.138.202.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:03] I was just about to cp/ln the file from usr/share/pycentral/python-cairo/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py to the version specific dirs === darwin81 [n=chatzill@100.138.202.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [02:04] yeah, using ln would probably work, but you won't know why it failed to install [02:04] and it happens constantly now without error during apt [02:05] what does this command return: pyversions -vr all [02:05] 2.4 2.5 [02:06] hmm [02:06] odd I know [02:06] meanwhile what where the version-specific correct dirs to ln init to? [02:07] /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py -> /usr/share/pycentral/python-cairo/site-packages/cairo/__init__.py [02:07] on feisty [02:07] thanks [02:07] what does purging want to do? [02:08] what was the aptitude for it? [02:08] aptitude purge python-cairo === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:09] http://rafb.net/p/NGCf4P23.html [02:10] ok, we wont do that [02:10] maybe we can try dpkg [02:10] it should purge it without caring that things will be temorarily broken [02:10] --purge? [02:10] yeah [02:11] hmm [02:11] dpkg - warning: while removing python-cairo, directory `/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/cairo' not empty so not removed. [02:11] I would rm -rf that [02:11] there's a .la there [02:11] yeah I'll do that [02:11] or just rename it [02:12] I'll also do an apt-get clean to make the package redownload [02:12] k, that's a good idea too [02:12] I'll be back in a few minutes [02:13] no __init__ after install in either version === Lars_G gives up [02:15] dh_pycentral is supposed to be creating these things [02:17] wouldn't it be easier to somehow change site.py so it adds /usr/share/pycentral to sys.path ? [02:18] well that might mess things up because not all python scripts will work in both 2.4 and 2.5 === Lars_G sighs === merriam__ [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [02:18] I just purged here and then installed and it worked :/ [02:18] there's another module missing in 2.5 that's there in pycentral [02:19] I'm feeling like doing a full python 2.5 reinstall [02:19] sigh [02:19] 1.2.0-1ubuntu2 is the version you have right? [02:19] of python-cairo you mean? [02:19] yeah [02:22] I wonder if I can use dh_pycentral by hand [02:25] Lars_G: when you do 'apt-cache policy python-cairo' you get 1.2.0-1ubuntu2 ? [02:26] yep [02:27] how did I check/extract the scripts from the .deb to read them? [02:27] Lars_G: you should do 'apt-get source PACKAGE' and look at that [02:27] dpkg -x file.deb LOCATION will extract a .deb though [02:28] hmmm neither is perfect but ok [02:28] btw I see stuff like: status half-configured python-cairo 1.2.0-1ubuntu2 [02:29] AndyP: status half-installed python-cairo 1.2.0-1ubuntu2 === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [02:29] In dpkg.log [02:29] ah well I give up [02:29] for today [02:29] hmm [02:29] thanks jrib [02:30] try 'dpkg --configure python-cairo' maybe [02:30] nope said it had already been configured I tried already [02:30] also tried dpkg-reconfigure [02:30] I'm kind of curious as to what's going on [02:30] Me too but now I NEED to wind down, I'll find this out tomorrow [02:30] alright, relax then :) [02:31] thanks === dantalizing [n=dan@wsip-70-184-147-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tck [n=tck@192.122.221.177] has joined #upstart === bicchi [n=albert@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ketrox [n=ketrox@Ya03b.y.pppool.de] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:22] Are there any videos of ubuntu running on the samsung q1? [03:23] It would be nice to show people a demo that ubuntu boots and works. [03:27] Would i get the same screen/gui as my Ubuntu desktop running gnome? What about the apps? === Crusher [n=You@ppp121-45-158-150.lns11.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-directory [] [05:19] bicchi: I believe that if you were to run ubuntu-mobile it would look something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/UserInterface [05:19] the UI is based on Hildon and Matchbox, the same components of Nokia's internet tablets. 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[03:04] k im on the live cd now [03:05] we can try to troubleshoot a bit after you backup your files [03:05] alright [03:05] that sounds good to me [03:06] should i have my external hard drive connected? [03:06] yeah [03:06] and on? [03:06] that should get auto-mounted when you plug it in like usual [03:06] k [03:07] just leme know what to do next , when you are ready [03:07] it detected it [03:07] k, now open up a terminal and do 'sudo fdisk -l' [03:08] hang on leme just sign into ubuntu-classroom with the other comp so i can let you knwo what it says [03:08] i'll be back in a few seconds === twofclubs [n=Owner@216.40.65.169] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === twofclubs [n=ubuntu@216.40.65.226] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [03:11] hey jrib im back === matt_c_ is now known as matt_c === dantalizing [n=dan@wsip-70-184-147-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:12] k === cr3 [n=marc@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-installer [03:13] http://pastebin.com/m4a52f674 [03:13] there's my fdisk [03:14] what should i do next? [03:14] sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu && sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/ubuntu [03:15] mk [03:15] did that succeed without error? [03:15] i copied and pasted that into the terminal and i now have a ubuntu disc [03:15] on my desktop [03:16] ok, you should be able to browse that now by just double clicking [03:17] grr...i can't copy it to my disc...says i don't have permission to write to this folder or something [03:18] do 'gksudo nautilus' in a terminal [03:18] k [03:18] root folder popped up [03:20] you should be able to use that window to go to /media/ubuntu/home and copy twoofclubs directory to your usb drive [03:21] no i can't seem to find it [03:21] pastebin 'ls /media/ubuntu' [03:22] http://pastebin.com/m6b2bd6b9 [03:23] how about 'ls /media/ubuntu/home'? [03:24] twofclubs is what it says [03:24] we can just do this in the terminal I suppose [03:24] ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ls /media/ubuntu/home [03:24] twofclubs [03:24] where is your usb drive mounted? [03:24] should be somehwere in /media [03:24] i dunno...i see the disk on the desktop [03:24] ls /media [03:25] disk ubuntu [03:25] ^that's what i get [03:25] but when i double click on desktop in nautilus..there is nothing there? [03:25] k, do you know if you have enough space on /media/disk to copy everything? [03:25] 460GB [03:26] but is there anyway just to pull out the twofclubs directory? [03:26] yeah [03:26] is there already a twofclubs directory in /media/disk? [03:26] no i have a lost and found folder and a folder called documents [03:27] that's all [03:27] k, just do this then: sudo cp -av /media/ubuntu/home/twofclubs /media/disk [03:28] ahh i see it's making a whole new folder...that's good [03:28] so why would it allow me to do it this way, and not the click and drag way? [03:28] sudo does it as root [03:28] oh right [03:29] now if i install a new working copy of ubuntu...will i have to enable permission to access this disk or something? [03:29] possibly [03:30] it's copying by the way...that's great news === mjg59 [i=mjg59@pip.srcf.societies.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [03:30] all the stuff will be root owned so you would have to chown it back [03:30] hmm, i wish i knew what that meant [03:31] we can create a tar.gz of your home too and then you would just extract it to /home and that would be it [03:31] I did it this way first so that you could get at your documents without them being in an archive [03:31] that is wonderful [03:32] i must have a lot of info on there [03:33] what would be the command to extract the tar.gz from the disk to the home folder? [03:33] once we create it of course [03:33] and i have a working copy of ubuntu [03:33] cd /home && sudo tar xf /path/to/the/tar.gz [03:34] so home/twofclubs/Desktop/disk/? [03:35] for the path to the tar.gz? [03:35] yea [03:35] your usb drive usually gets mounted in /media [03:35] so /media/disk/name_of_tar.gz [03:37] i am so thankful for all your help so far, you have saved me hours worth of anguish [03:39] it's still copying btw...just as an update [03:39] is it past the middle of the alphabet yet? [03:40] it's at M...but it should be over in a few minutes [03:40] if you have to get going i understand :) [03:41] when you're done, to create the tar.gz archive: cd /media/ubuntu/home; sudo tar cvzf /media/disk/twofclubs_home_backup.tar.gz twofclubs/ [03:41] mk [03:41] after that you should feel a little more comfortable trying things to fix your current install :) Just reboot and explain the issue to #ubuntu again [03:42] k [03:43] can i just copy and paste that into the terminal [03:44] yeah [03:44] wonderful [03:44] can i send you a thank you card or something? [03:44] hah [03:45] heh [03:47] I'll be away for a few now [03:48] alright thanks again === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === guardian_ [n=Guardian@ANantes-252-1-42-168.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === guardian_ is now known as guardian === matt_c [n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_lunch === _jason [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-mobile ["Carrier] === twofclubs [n=ubuntu@216.40.65.226] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === mdz [i=mdz@nat/canonical/x-42ed81be835d4348] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:46] does the current mobile version support touchscreen? [04:46] dantalizing: yes it does [04:48] and are the umpc chipsets supported as well as intels laptop chipsets? or are they the same? [04:48] by "supported" i mean bluetooth, wireless, etc working [04:51] it works for the samsung q1 ultra, at least. === dantalizing [n=dan@n128-227-139-239.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === CharliefJohnson [i=cfj@nat/intel/x-bc7a3eeca3fb8826] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [04:59] Mithrandir : Any sign of the 2 Menlow systems? [04:59] CharliefJohnson: not yet. :-( [04:59] they're supposedly somewhere past amsterdam [05:00] Mithrandir:OK thanks. === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:08] though, it now says "proof of delivery", so unsure what's up with that. === nkinder [i=nkinder@nat/redhat/x-a0de61c986adbbcd] has joined #ubuntu-directory [05:17] CharliefJohnson: I'm slightly worried about this; is there anything I can/should do, or just stay calm for now? [05:21] Mithrandir: I think all that means is you have to sign for it. [05:21] it's under status, though. Three hours ago. [05:21] so either I'm looking at a different shipment somehow, or something's wrong. === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch === univremonster [n=remonste@PDN-VBA-SkyPix.fw2.onvoy.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:23] jrib; I am here === michal_ [n=michal@pra2-b239.adsl.dial-up.cz] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === alesan [n=alesan@pD9E592AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [05:23] Mithrandir: It was showing 14 Aug ETA for me and now says 13 Aug Proof of Delivery :-/ [05:23] univremonster: dpkg --configure vmware-player output on pastebin [05:24] univremonster: sudo dpkg --configure vmware-player output on pastebin [05:24] what is your tracking # ? [05:24] I wonder if we are seeing the same package, since it says 2 pieces there === dendrobates [n=rclark@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-directory === Md [i=md@freenode/staff/md] has joined #upstart === agoliveira_lunch is now known as agoliveira [05:25] jrib; it's posted at the same website. I assume this means the uninstall didn't work completely? [05:25] I'm not sure [05:25] what's the url? [05:25] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33704/ [05:26] Tracking # - 5574088 === alesan [n=alesan@pD9E592AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Ex-Chat"] [05:26] how did you uninstall before? [05:26] Mithrandir: we are seeing the same package :) [05:26] heh [05:26] synaptec [05:26] that's.. useful. :-P [05:26] and you never installed not using synaptic? [05:26] and your memo ends with 3677? [05:27] I did, actually. While trying to follow the directions on Ubuntu Forums. [05:27] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183209 [05:27] Mithrandir: no.. 3648 and it has my address on it [05:27] you have to be wary of the forums sometimes to be honest [05:27] yes, mine has my address too. [05:27] oh well, weird. [05:27] I hope it'll show up tomorrow. [05:28] I am guessing Intel sent it to a local office here and they will redispatch it perhaps? [05:28] what does 'ls /usr/local' return? [05:28] possibly. [05:28] ls /usr/local [05:28] oh oops [05:28] wrong place :-) [05:28] bin firefox32 games include java32 lib man sbin share src [05:29] ls /usr/local/bin === michal_ [n=michal@pra2-b239.adsl.dial-up.cz] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Ex-Chat"] [05:29] firefox32 googleearth [05:30] k, guess it doesn't install there then [05:30] I think I had it install to src [05:30] Mithrandir: Does DST:NLI ring a bell? [05:30] yes, I did. remonster@remonster-desktop:~/src$ ls [05:30] jre1.5.0_11 jre-1_5_0_11-linux-i586.bin skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb vmware-server-distrib [05:30] I see [05:30] it probably won't do anything there [05:30] do you have /usr/bin/vmware/vmware-uninstall.pl ? [05:31] yes [05:32] not really [05:32] k, run that with sudo [05:33] remonster@remonster-desktop:/usr/bin$ sudo ./vmware-uninstall.pl [05:33] Uninstalling the tar installation of VMware Server. [05:33] Stopping internet superserver: xinetd. [05:33] Starting internet superserver: xinetd. [05:33] The removal of VMware Server 1.0.3 build-44356 for Linux completed [05:33] successfully. Thank you for having tried this software. [05:33] k, now 'sudo aptitude purge vmware-player' [05:34] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33705/ [05:35] now we'll delete /etc/vmware with: sudo rm -rf /etc/vmware be careful not to make a typo [05:36] k, done [05:36] ok, now lets try the install again: sudo aptitude install vmware-player [05:37] alright this may be a little dumb... How to I say "OK" to the EULA in terminal? [05:37] "enter" and "space" are not working [05:37] press tab [05:37] then space or enter [05:37] right, thanks [05:38] so far so good; http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33708/ [05:39] k, now try 'vmplayer' [05:39] remonster@remonster-desktop:/etc$ vmware [05:39] ldd: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: No such file or directory [05:39] /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: 299: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: not found [05:39] ldd: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: No such file or directory [05:39] /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/wrapper-gtk24.sh: 353: /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmware: not found [05:39] not 'vmware' [05:39] oh, sorry [05:40] it runs, with this error message: (vmplayer:11063): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. [05:40] Using the fallback 'C' locale. [05:40] gui opens? [05:40] yes [05:41] also, /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib32/libcairo.so.2) [05:41] these might be normal, I don't know [05:41] so then I just pop in an XP disc? [05:41] to create your vmx for your OS, just visit easyvmx.com [05:42] make it boot from cd, then run the vmx in vmware with your cd in the drive [05:42] this is why I love Ubuntu... thank you a million times [05:42] virtualbox is nicer imo [05:43] alright I think I can make it work from here... over and out [05:43] have fun [05:43] will do === univremonster [n=remonste@PDN-VBA-SkyPix.fw2.onvoy.net] has left #ubuntu-classroom ["Ex-Chat"] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-directory [06:15] Did anyone else receive a spam email sent from a webmail interface at cs.stanford.edu to their upstart-devel address? :-) === AlexExtreme checks [06:15] Pls help me get a new pc it only cost a click :(( pls pls pls This is the linck: http://blahblah God bless you! [06:15] nope [06:16] I reported it to abuse@cs.stanford.edu, of course. === bicchi [n=chatzill@pur4c0b.ad.fiu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === rusty_ [i=rusty@nat/intel/x-3da9e459a550e1d7] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:26] Will I be able to install and run the regular ubuntu desktop on the Samsung q1 ultra with the release of gutsy? [06:27] I am talking about the running the regular 386 cd and be able to install it on the samsung q1? [06:27] with the same amount of apps I have on my regular desktop? [06:27] bicchi: Yes, I already did it. [06:27] really? [06:27] is this the new samsung with the keyboard on the top? [06:27] Exactly. [06:28] do you have pictures? [06:28] i would like to see this in action [06:28] amitk_, when is the latest you'll take patches prior to the functional freeze deadline? [06:28] agoliveira: if you have a digital camera can you take a picture and email it to me. [06:29] bicchi: Sorry, no. this Q1 is used for developping the UME so it's constantly overwritten [06:29] agoliveira: but you can run gnome just like my regular desktop. no hildon stuff or anything like that. [06:30] bicchi: Yes, that's what I'm talking. [06:30] amitk_, we're still debugging an issue w/ SD memory cards on the 2.6.22 kernel, it works fine on the 2.6.21 kernel (it's the same for Pierre's MMC code or our MSS patch) [06:32] agoliveira: I heard about putting ubuntu on the old samsung q1 based on the centrino cpu. but i didn't know if gnome can run on the intel A110 [06:32] i mean celeron not centrino [06:33] bicchi: If it comes with Vista, would be rather strange if it does not :) [06:33] agoliveira: you are right but I didn't know if linux was able to run on that cpu. [06:34] agoliveira: How easy was installing ubuntu. Did the regular gui installation work? [06:34] bicchi: No big deal as it's a x86 CPU. [06:34] or the alternative cd? [06:34] bicchi: The desktop CD runs fine. [06:35] awesome. i cann't wait for gutsy [06:35] thanks for your time. [06:38] bicchi: No problem [06:39] agoliveira: morning [06:39] agoliveira: any chance we can get hildon claws checked in and working today :) ? [06:39] bspencer: Hi Bob [06:39] agoliveira: if I buy lunch [06:39] ;) [06:40] bspencer: I was working on the PIM and Frank on Claws but I can work on Claws. I just don't think it will be ready today because I need to polish my libosso first but if all goes well, by tomorrow is very possible. [06:41] I had a good chat with frank and he thinks it is ready [06:42] we'd love to get it in so we can start testing it, but we didn't want to put it on moblin.org since you already have it ready for Ubuntu-mobile [06:42] bspencer: Ok, there's some confusion here. [06:42] (and since moblin.org is not the upstream for this project) [06:42] yeah, I thought there might be. So I came to chat :) [06:42] set me straight [06:42] rob_: alright. I'll keep the patch gate open ;) === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:43] - We do have the standard Claws in Gutsy repository. [06:43] - In my opinion, to have it on UME it needs to be hildonized [06:43] - There's a port already but I need to make a few fixes for it be able to use our hildon libs [06:44] agoliveira: I thought frank sent patches for all of that [06:44] No [06:44] he said he had hildonized it [06:44] What he sent me is for pure GTK. [06:44] Maybe I missed something but I don't see how it would be hildonized. [06:44] hm... ok. let me check back through some mail [06:45] rob_: you have some time 4th Oct https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov [06:45] agoliveira: a quick note about GTK and Hildon (to answer you email question). Hildon classes are all "derived" from Gtk classes. You can't throw out GTK just because you have Hildon [06:45] and Hildon also tries to reduce its libraries as GTK replaces functionality that it has (like tap-n-hold) [06:46] s/Hildon classes are all / many Hildon classes are [06:46] bspencer: Yes I know that but if we put standard GTK interface there it will just not integrate well. [06:46] And there's libosso also. [06:47] If we are to use pure GTK there's no reason to hildonize the applications. [06:48] hm... "use pure GTK" means include the standard 2.11+ GTK libraries. [06:48] Yes. [06:48] apps --> Hildon --> GTK [06:49] so we Hildonize applications to get the additional benefit of Hildon libraries (look and feel, drop-down menu, window panning support) [06:49] Exactly [06:49] but we also include the stock GTK libraries as Hildon classes are derived from them. [06:49] what are you proposing instead ? [06:50] I'm not proposing anything differnt, just that we compile the appliations to make use of the hildon stack not gtk directly. [06:50] Both will work but the hildonized versions will integrate better [06:50] as you said, look and feel, drop-down menu, window panning support, etc [06:51] applications may still use some Gtk classes directly too [06:51] but UI-related widgets where there are Hildon replacements should be used when possible [06:51] Exactly :) === bspencer wonders what we were disagreeing about [06:52] ok. so let me check about frank's claws work again [06:52] I thought he said he was ready to go, had Hildonized, etc. [06:53] We were not disagreeing :) I was wondering why Frank was insisting on not using hildon for the interface. Maybe I got it wrong. [06:53] back in a few... [06:53] Ok, let me know. === Md [i=md@freenode/staff/md] has joined #upstart === phanatic [n=phanatic@53d83bc7.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mfrey [n=mfrey@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === kinik [n=Gary@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage [i=sabotage@nat/intel/x-58e757388abe0e8a] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tck [n=tck@192.122.221.177] has joined #upstart === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.45.228.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === ChrisJTortoise [n=tortoise@91.84.37.241] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [07:34] agoliveira: which features do not work with ubuntu desktop on the samsung q1? [07:34] wireless, touch screen, etc ? [07:34] bicchi: IIRC, sound but I didn't try to make it to work. [07:35] The rest was fine. Touchscreen needs some adjustments tough. [07:35] so wireless was ok. [07:35] oh ok [07:35] screen resolution ? [07:35] As I said, fine [07:36] cool thanks. [07:36] np === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp199-178.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] [07:43] agoliveira: Hi! You said that I might want to wait until today to discuss stuff? [07:44] mjg59: Hi, yes we can talk. [07:44] Though I need to head out in 5 minutes [07:44] (Sorry, today has been awkward - power cut at home, I'm having to work from a friend's office) [07:44] mjg59: No rush. We can talk tomorrow, no problem. [07:44] agoliveira: No problem [07:46] bspencer: Bob, Claws compiled with hildon interface right away. I'll have to redo my chroot to test it but so far so good :) [07:47] sound works fine too [07:47] Mithrandir: I believe so. I just don't remember to have tested. [07:48] Mithrandir: BTW, as you're still there, can you pull the libosso I just pushed? [07:48] I mean upload , of course :) [07:48] preferably not, it's 19:48 here and I'm cleaning the apartment. :-P [07:50] Mithrandir: Fine. Just make a note to do it ok? It's needed to compile the applications. [07:50] sure [07:50] send me an email [07:50] Deal! Good cleaning :) [08:04] rusty_: are you around? [08:05] yes [08:05] rusty_: I have made some changes to the mobile flash home plugin / flash movie and / related html to allow for a "flash api" provider [08:05] I wanted to give [08:05] you the changes if you are interested [08:06] cool, you can send me the patch and it's nice to cc the development list [08:06] mfrey, if you have a git repository then you can also provide the URL, but patch in email works also [08:07] has anyone considered running fluxbox instead of gnome on UME? [08:07] rusty_: Sure-- the work I did allows the flash movie to directly launch applications , as well as recieve async events from the home plugin [08:07] using javascript [08:08] agoliveira: claws: great [08:08] bicchi: UME uses matchbox and not gnome. [08:09] HappyCamp and rusty_ : take a look at this bug with image-creator http://moblin.pastebin.com/m34a47ac1 [08:09] agoliveira: but you told me that one can run gnome on it. So I assume that one can also run fluxbox. [08:10] bicchi: I told you you can run Gnome on Q1. [08:11] agoliveira: yes and that is what i am talking about [08:11] "(15:07:17) bicchi: has anyone considered running fluxbox instead of gnome on UME?" [08:11] instead of running gnome on the Q1 run fluxbox [08:11] changing the desktop environment. [08:11] Ah :) I don't see why not. [08:11] sorry language barrier. [08:12] If you install the normal Ubuntu, you can run any WM you want. [08:12] i am thinking of a desktop environment that has a smaller memory footprint and is less cpu intensive. [08:12] Try Xubuntu [08:12] ok thanks. === carl__ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-4b208d9785ca653a] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:26] rusty_: I sent the email -- but it was a bit big. I had to attach the modified Flash movie. Hope you get it. === HarKoT [n=tony@bpb01-1-88-162-5-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #upstart === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mfrey [n=mfrey@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === devnu11 [i=psych0@psych0.us] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:41] bspencer: Bob, claws seems to be working fine but on Q1 needs some tweaking I guess as the dimensions as a bit weird but basically it works :) [08:41] ... and with hildon ;) === sabotage [i=sabotage@nat/intel/x-e140f76c823c1e70] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mfrey [n=mfrey@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mdz_ [n=mdz@ip-81-1-103-136.cust.homechoice.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #upstart === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #upstart === ChrisJTortoise [n=tortoise@91.84.37.241] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer === dantalizing [n=dan@n128-227-139-239.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === etrunko_ [n=edulima@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === lmoura [n=lmoura@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:22] mfrey, ok... just got back to my desk. I'll take a look [09:22] agoliveira: can I check it out already ? [09:23] bspencer: You mean claws? Not so simple. I need to properly package, update and someone have to upload. I can send you the .deb to test if you want. [09:23] But there's a bit of deppendencies you will have to deal. [09:25] rusty_: ok -- I just re-sent the email without the .fla attached === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-installer === bicchi_ [n=chatzill@131.94.5.98] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:30] agoliveira: do you put your work in a launchpad repository that we can see, or do we have to wait until it is in gutsy to access? [09:32] bspencer: The sources go to launchpad if there is a project there so you can checkout the updated libosso and sapwood but things that are not there you need to wait for gutsy. [09:32] Or I can send you if you want. === vivijim [n=vivijim@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [09:42] agoliveira: Hi; don't know whether this is intentional or not but when you're modifying file, your editor seems to recode files as UTF-8 systematically [09:43] eg: [09:43] - * Contact: Kimmo Hlen [09:43] + * Contact: Kimmo Hmlinen === rusty_ [i=rusty@nat/intel/x-59b89be3fa13456a] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:45] lool: I don't know why is that but my system is UTF-8 so... [09:45] But it's weird anyway [09:46] agoliveira: I just wanted to inform you; what's your editor BTW? [09:46] lool: I'll pay more attention to see if I notice. [09:46] lool: Depends but mostly mcedit === jpan [i=jpan9@nat/intel/x-69751a185ec67046] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tck [n=tck@192.122.221.177] has joined #upstart === SWAT [n=SWAT@ubuntu/member/swat] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-installer === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === renatofilho_ [n=renato@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === pitoow [n=charles@200-138-204-129.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-138-60.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #upstart === n2diy [n=darryl@wlk-barre-208-103-147-217.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp120-170.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neuratix [n=lorents@static149-194.adsl.no] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === neuratix [n=lorents@static149-194.adsl.no] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === vlt [n=dm@suez.musketa.de] has joined #upstart [10:59] Hello. I just upgraded from Edgy to Feisty using aptitude. Now the system only boots to runlevel "unknown". I always have to login and run `telinit 2` to start all the daemons and the dm. What is missing here? === btm [n=btm@gir.seattlewireless.net] has joined #upstart === btm [n=btm@gir.seattlewireless.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === btm [n=btm@gir.seattlewireless.net] has joined #ubuntu-installer === btm [n=btm@gir.seattlewireless.net] has joined #upstart === bspencer [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-60a0b15d28039963] has left #ubuntu-mobile [] === bspencer_ [i=bob@nat/intel/x-b26b92a4e4ac99da] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === amitk_ [n=amit@a91-154-122-129.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-installer === abartlet [n=abartlet@mail.samba.org] has joined #ubuntu-directory === cwong [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-f2dc6bbe128a5533] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === tck [n=tck@192.122.221.177] has joined #upstart === jonib1 [n=jonas@ua-83-227-144-18.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #upstart [] === dantalizing [n=dan@wsip-70-184-147-28.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cprov is now known as cprov-afk