=== tgm4883 [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:38] Fujitsu: i dont think we should sync the rt2400 drivers from debian since its alread in the kernel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] zul: there is a graphical interface in that source as well I think? === cypherbios [n=cyr@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] zul: but the binary rt2400-source or whatsitsname should not be in Ubuntu, agreed. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-149-101-35.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-076-182.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-184-157.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WheelDweller [n=WheelDwe@mx10.fahrlander.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] Is there a problem with the rt2500 package? === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-95.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros_ [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn163.91-127-255.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WheelDweller [n=WheelDwe@mx10.fahrlander.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@20.Red-83-42-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d171.87-197-162.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mohammad [n=mohammad@auth2-27.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] regarding http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/ttf-scheherazade I had uploaded, Nicolas Spalinger (a member of Debian pkg-fonts team) asked me to rename the package to ttf-sil-scheherazade. === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-dyn119.91-127-68.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] Is it possible to change the name? === hroo772 [n=hroo772@pool-71-126-176-42.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn139.91-127-241.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d211.87-197-163.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-95.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:19] geser: It's not built against just 2.5 - it's built against anything <= 2.5 [02:19] See debian/pyversions (2.5- vs 2.4-) === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] geser: Obviously my changelog entry is misleading, then :( === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:07] is any motu online? === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.249] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] Could someone clarify the difference between Upstream Version Freeze and Universe New Package Freeze? I think the latter is what I'm concerned with, but as it's the later one I want to make sure not to miss the former by mistake. === cynics [n=cynics@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asantoni [n=alb@216.221.76.221] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] tonyyarusso: UVF means no new upstream versions for already existing packages and Universe New Package Freeze means no NEW packages, ie packages which don't have any previous version in the archive and need to go through the NEW queue [03:13] Toadstool: okay, good. So August 30th is my deadline. === white [n=white@user.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] Heya gang === mohammad [n=mohammad@auth2-27.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] there is an issue in naming of one of the packages I had uploaded before http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/ttf-scheherazade. it should be change to ttf-sil-scheherazade. please let me know how I can fix it? [03:41] I think you would have to build a new package and add a Replaces: for the existing [03:44] cripes who's filing all the sync and merge requests?? [03:44] bddebian: in the changelog should I mention anything more than initial release? (like the previous name or previous changelog entry) [03:45] bddebian: what's wrong with the syncs? [03:46] I would use the original package's changelog and add another changelog entry stating the rename and the replaces. But I'm no expert on the subject [03:46] ajmitch: Nothing, just making hard to keep the list down ;-) [03:47] bddebian: thanks :) [03:48] bddebian: are these sponsor requests? [03:49] ajmitch: Aye === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] a lot of fairly minor stuff there [03:52] Yeah but I wonder if the person is at least test building them [03:53] he hasn't in the past [03:53] Do we just ack them or test build them before ack'ing? [03:53] you never 'just ack' stuff === jdong finall starts looking at RAOF's xserver-xgl packaging.... [03:53] oops :) [03:53] slightly sidetracked [03:54] So what's the point of someone filing these? :-) [03:54] bddebian: Who is filing them? [03:54] ScottK: your friend [03:54] Ah. [03:55] bddebian: I'd either ignore them or check them very closely. [03:55] If you think he's being abusive of the process, feel free to complain to jono. === ScottK is done complaining and getting no where. [03:56] bddebian: if you want other work to do, there's still a bunch of debian bugs on http://django.ajmitch.net.nz/rcbugs/ to see if they can be synced [03:57] we managed to get a number of sync requests filed from there, but the debian rc bugs don't always apply [03:58] Q: what's slower than bzr's initial branch... [03:58] A: Launchpad! [03:58] oops [03:58] I mean... nothing. bzr is blazing fast [03:59] ajmitch: Holy crap d00d [03:59] jdong: hehe [04:00] bddebian: what? [04:00] Big list :-) [04:00] yeah, it was bigger a week ago [04:00] a comments field was added the other day to make coordinating it a bit easier [04:00] Yeah, I see the yaird serious bug is waiting on another [04:01] most of the comments were of the type 'sync requested' [04:02] whoo! it's branched [04:03] RAOF: hey dude, you around? got an xgl thing to discuss (wrt. keymapping shift+bksp zapper) [04:03] jdong: Yup. Fire away. [04:03] RAOF: as you are probably aware, Xgl maps SHIFT+Bksp to zap the Xgl server... [04:04] It did. Does it still? [04:04] RAOF: this is pretty irritating because it's extremely easy to accidentally trip [04:04] Indeed. [04:04] RAOF: err... well I think it still does [04:04] Ok, I'll just check. [04:04] But I thought it didn't, because the ubuntu packages stopped doing that :) [04:04] RAOF: at any rate, the command xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" within the Xgl server will disable that mapping... [04:05] RAOF: might be a good idea to apply at bottom of debian/Xgl-session anyway [04:05] jdong: Totally, if it kills Xgl now. [04:07] jdong: Running my Xgl package now. Shift-backspace doesn't kill Xgl for me. [04:07] RAOF: very interesting, let me try it too... [04:07] Neither does Ctrl-backpace, nor alt-backspace... ;) [04:09] RAOF: here's the deal... something happens after GNOME/compiz starts up that inhibits shift+bksp... [04:09] RAOF: but if I just boot up to a plain Xgl minimalist environment, shift+bksp still zaps the server [04:09] Maybe setting my keymap. Ok. [04:10] right [04:10] setting your keymap will reset the bksp key [04:10] So, will the xmodmap have any annoying side-effects? [04:10] RAOF: nope, this only remaps the backspace key to exclude terminate_server [04:10] RAOF: it doesn't have any other side effects [04:10] Excellent. I'll fix that then. [04:11] spectacular, thanks! === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis_ [n=Havis@adsl-dyn152.91-127-148.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mohammad [n=mohammad@auth2-27.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Monk-e [i=guido@c529dd229.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis [n=Havis@adsl-d108.87-197-167.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Havis__ [n=Havis@adsl-d170.84-47-51.t-com.sk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Killdeer [n=b@cpe-68-173-46-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Killdeer [n=b@cpe-68-173-46-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === apachelogger_ [n=me@N948P024.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@host-212-116.inlacol.clients.pavlovmedia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === davromaniak [n=cyril@LAubervilliers-153-52-16-160.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] Anyone else having an issue uploading? === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-28-18.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === simu [n=simon@130.92.99.18] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@cl-266.bru-01.be.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@Final-Fantasy.FF-IRC.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jose244 [n=josebigp@adsl-3-194-246.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:31] hey guys im interested in helping in developement [08:32] Yay! [08:32] What would you like to do? [08:32] im really confused on the categories i can choose can u tell me the diffrences? [08:33] theres core developers and MOTU right? [08:33] Yes. [08:33] wat are the differences? === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:34] And "MOTU hopefuls", and Bug Team, and... :) [08:34] Core devs can upload anything, MOTU can upload to universe.= [08:34] Hopefuls can't upload at all, and do so through a sponsor. [08:35] ill be MOTU dev. to start out [08:35] As far as the packaging side of contributing goes, you pass from Hopeful -> MOTU -> Core Dev. [08:35] so i gota start from hopeful i suppose? [08:35] Although you don't have to take any of those steps; you can remain a hopeful, or a MOTU. [08:36] ok now i understand [08:36] Yup. You don't get upload privileges until we're sure you know what to do with them :) [08:36] alright so im ready lol [08:36] wat version do i need to use? === RAOF doesn't have upload privileges, for example. [08:37] :D [08:37] jose244: Generally, the latest dev release. Almost all development goes on there. [08:37] So, at the moment, Gutsy. [08:38] The easiest way to start helping is to find a bug that you care about, and see what can be done to fix it. [08:38] ok [08:39] If you don't have a pet-peeve, there are a bunch of bugs on launchpad marked as "bitsize". Those would also be good. [08:40] ill look into that [08:40] so theres a special dev release or just use normal one? [08:41] It's just the normal Gutsy release. [08:41] alright thx [08:41] You probably want to look at wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU if you haven't already. [08:41] Particularly https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO [08:42] RAOF, you should probably give him link to packaging guide :) [08:42] Heh, yes. [08:43] !packagingguide | jose244 [08:43] jose244: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [08:43] so many links lol [08:43] There's a lot of information, yes. [08:44] If you don't know packaging, then the packaging guide is probably a good start. [08:44] Maybe read it in conjunction with a bitesize bug? [08:44] ok will try [08:45] lets say i want to package a new software i found or made i would have to go threw the process? [08:45] If the packaging guide seems too much, there are other ways to help. [08:45] jose244: Yes. The MOTU page has the process you need to follow to get a new package into Ubuntu [08:46] ok thx,wat are the other ways of help i can do? [08:47] jose244: Well, you can help triage bugs. We always have plenty of them! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs [08:47] If you know more than one language you can help translate Ubuntu. You can contribute artwork or documentation. These are all helpful, and important. [08:48] o o i know spanish [08:48] jose244: then you might be interested in !rosetta [08:48] !rosetta [08:49] rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language. See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about [08:49] ok thx ill try to do little of each to help out the community has much has i can [08:51] Great! [08:53] im at one of the ftp mirrors i go into the main folder next? [08:55] http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/ im here [08:57] I'm not sure what the question is. [08:57] where i downlaod gutsy lol [08:57] i think im at the wrong place... [08:57] Ah. [08:57] Right. So that would be... [08:58] yea im asking where i can downlaod gutsy...anyways ubuntu looks like a promising os [08:58] jose244: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4 [09:00] o god lol 700mb [09:00] yay 3 hour download [09:00] ill be testing in a few hours === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:13] can i install it in vmware workstation 6.0? [09:13] Yes [09:13] alright thx === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gizmo [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fyrestrtr [n=burhan@pdpc/supporter/student/fyrestrtr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evand_ [n=evand@acm.pct.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fyrestrtr [n=burhan@pdpc/supporter/student/fyrestrtr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsoe243 [i=jose244@adsl-145-3-56.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gizmo [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jose244 [i=jose244@adsl-145-3-56.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-MOTU [10:03] woot 1hour and 18 mins left to finish gusty downlaod === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] <\sh> hmmm..does anyone run tribe4 on more then one screen with desktop-effects? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Martinp23 [n=Martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Baby [n=miry@195.37.62.208] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fred@217.119.180.134] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Dessan [n=andrew@ip68-105-63-168.pn.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asac_ [n=asac@e177167029.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-95.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-186-149.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF wills miro to build [11:31] it wont [11:31] contains too much crack to build. [11:31] But I've been carefully patching the crack with stickytape and bubblegum! [11:33] haha [11:33] sticky tape wont cut it. === Hobbsee hands RAOF the gaffer. === jmg hands Hobbsee the VHB. [11:38] jmg: VHB? [11:38] bah [11:39] Very High Bond tape [11:39] used to stick together aeroplanes. :) [11:39] :) [11:39] we never ended up using them for sound/technical stuff [11:40] <\sh> I really wonder if desktop-effects works with two screens... [11:40] \sh: not xinerama [11:41] twinview should be ok [11:41] <\sh> twinview ? you mean the two screens are displaying the same? [11:41] no - twinview the nvidia technology [11:41] <\sh> ah..no just plain radeon oss driver... [11:42] the equivalent in ati speak is hydravision === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] so what video players work in compiz? [11:46] Anything. As long as your drivers aren't broken. [11:46] i cant make totem display anything. [11:47] Fully up to date gutsy? [11:47] yes [11:47] A recent ati driver update should've fixed it. [11:48] <- nvidia [11:48] mplayer works [11:48] Oh. [11:48] Um, Totem should, too. [11:48] s'what i thought. [11:48] I've never had any problems. === \sh [n=nnsherma@server3.servereyes.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] [11:49] hmm. === \sh [n=nnsherma@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] is xv still the right option to use? [11:51] <\sh> xv as image viewer? ,-) === Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:52] RainCT: ping === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:54] xvideo === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@20.Red-83-42-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:56] RainCT: --binary-arch isn't in fact the correct option to select a custom arch, you should replace it by : --debootstrapopts "--arch" --debootstrapopts "$BINARCH" [11:57] RainCT: sorry, I didn't have the time to test it before (pbuilder creation worked but I didn't notice it was amd64 as well :)) [11:57] jmg: Yes? Although it might not work on a second monitor. [11:58] i see [11:59] well, id better go if i want to make tomorrows UMC meeting. :) [11:59] bye === jmg & === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] stgraber: pong === Nafallo [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] stgraber: thanks :) === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart [n=willi@xdsl-81-173-230-124.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === arthur- [n=arthur@gov91-1-82-234-91-6.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tudenbart is now known as dothebart === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dharrigan [n=david@host12.williamhill.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] is it possible to get a debian sync yet?? [01:16] infinito, its possible all the time ... the amount of paperwork you have to do for requesting one just gets higher towards the end ;) [01:16] greetings, ogra [01:16] hey Hobbsee [01:17] Hobbsee: hey :) [01:17] and all the nothers as well :) [01:17] s/nothers/others/ [01:17] ogra: i've filled a requestsync, that's enough now? [01:18] infinito, shuld be until thursday ... after that you need a UVF exception [01:18] Hobbsee: i have read that you are release manager for universe (or something like that), are you still talking to common mortals like me? :P [01:19] white: i'm a common mortal, trust me. [01:19] infinito: did you use -s? [01:19] Hobbsee: you happen to live too far away though :/ === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] white: yeah. i do have plans to move, eventually, though [01:20] come here come here [01:20] (i mean Melbourne) [01:20] Hobbsee: i've filled the bug manually, as requestsync changes the status to Confirmed, and i'm not a MOTU, so dont have permissio n to do that [01:21] infinito: you can change it to confirmed as a non-motu, and you can use -s whicih will subscribe teh sponsorship team, not the archive [01:21] white: i'm not release manager for universe [01:21] white: i'm on the UVF team, though [01:21] white: i wanted to do the RM for ubuntu :( === Hobbsee is on that team, at the moment, incidently === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-89-64.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] Hobbsee: where is the difference between UVF and RM for universe? [01:22] as i suspect that RM for main is canonical [01:22] Hobbsee: i tried to subscribe the sponsorship team by hand, but launchpad says ubuntu-archive-sponsors team doesn't exist [01:22] white: release manager for ubuntu is more main stuff, but also does tribe images and whatnot. and pokes people about bugs. [01:23] infinito: it's ubuntu-universe-sponsors === Hobbsee points to the second link in the topic [01:23] are there RMs, which are not employed? [01:23] Hobbsee: well you are RM for universe then ;) [01:23] white: tehre's a release management team, but there's an employed RM, yes. [01:23] white: it all gets convoluted and confusing [01:23] white: and i'm not - univeres is a team, done by votes === white does not get his head around it [01:24] heh, i'll explain elsewhere [01:24] Hobbsee: well there is normally always more than one release manager :) === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] Hobbsee: so is this enough? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pyrenamer/+bug/131991 [01:25] Launchpad bug 131991 in pyrenamer "Please sync pyrenamer 0.4.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] [01:25] white: not in ubuntu, per se [01:25] white: at least, not until gutsy [01:26] Ha! Miro builds! [01:26] RAOF: please read the backscroll, and dont give out incorrect information [01:26] RAOF: Lies, all lies. [01:26] er, Kmos, not RAOF === Hobbsee curses all these 4 letter, non-word nicks. === RAOF is an acronym, does that help? === Kmos oh good === Kmos oh god [01:27] no [01:27] lol [01:28] http://kmos.homeip.net/~kmos/ddclient -> if someone want to upload/fix the package. it's a merge with some fix.. the debian maintainer doesn't answer me. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] Kmos: you cant approve your own sync requests. this means you cant use confirmed, and subscribing u-a yourself. infinito, if you use -s for requestsync, it will automatically set the status to new, and subscribe the sponsorship team [01:30] Kmos: but seriously, why do you want to sync the world *again*? [01:30] Kmos: work on some bugs for a while [01:31] Kmos: we have the autosync turned off for a reason, and it's not so that we can get kicks out of manually filing sync requests [01:32] Hobbsee: my sync request's have fix/upstream version [01:32] i'm not syncing the world [01:32] just a few packages before thursday [01:33] A few != 16 === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] StevenK: check if they aren't important [01:33] Which involves wasting time. [01:33] Hobbsee: i don't have subscribed U-A, i've used -s [01:33] Kmos: great! [01:33] Kmos: else i'd have to kill you. in a COC-approved fashion, of course. [01:33] :) [01:34] i've ask for xterm, that's a good sync.. tasks for gnome, xdialog, xmoto and tmw are games [01:34] Kmos: you have considered that the new upstream versions may contain more bugs, havent you? [01:34] and others I've already done for other packages of gnu the r-cran-* ones [01:35] Hobbsee: yes.. but it will fix bugs too, that's the life of software === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] Kmos: but still, the autosyncer is off. the point is not to grab every piece of software with a new upstream version. === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] Hobbsee: i don't have done it randomly.. [01:39] Then list which bugs you fix or your rationale for filing them and you won't get questioned. [01:39] s/you fix/the sync will fix/ [01:42] Wow, miro is down to only one "fix your crap" message on startup === RAOF wonders idly why the miro-0.9.8.1 tarball he downloaded reports itself as "miro 0.9.8-svn" [01:44] RAOF: high proportion of crack. [01:44] RAOF: makes all sorts of insane things happen [01:45] Maybe I should just leave the xine renderer as default. Gstreamer is less tested, and I don't actually *want* to fix broken crap. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N911P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] anyone here knows, if it is possible to work on some pictures with a free program so that it is also possible to keep working on it afterwards in photoshop (non-free ugly stuff) ? [01:52] Lossless png? [01:52] RAOF: i don't even know photoshop. I just try to do my ex-girlfriend a favour [01:55] white: if you use a lossless format, yes. if you want to preserve layers and stuff it might be quite tricky, in that I'm not sure gimp can save .psd [01:55] but you could always save the layers as PNGs and then re-composite them in photoshop [01:55] Ng: not quite sure, if she will understand that, but i will try to forward it. Thanks === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] white, afaik gimp can edit and store .psp files [01:56] ogra: I think so too. === lmr_ [n=lmr@32.104.18.243] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:56] I think it can also do .psd, but not quite sure. [01:57] err, thats what i meant actually, .psd === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] http://finance.google.com/finance?q=SCOX <-- SCO after the weekend :) [01:58] stgraber: I pointed that out almost 24 hours ago now... rather impressive, yes! [01:59] Fujitsu: oh, didn't read my backlog that far sorry :) [02:05] So, should I patch miro to get it to print out the right version? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@201.64.79.40] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] mornin' people === pygi [n=mario@157-186.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port166-123.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-210-95.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tru_`z24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] hey if you want to buy scox stock now is the tie [02:26] time even [02:26] zul: you think they will rise again? [02:27] Nafallo: you never know if someone buys them out [02:27] true === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EtienneG [i=etienne@ubuntu/member/EtienneG] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] Damn this lack of REVU. [02:44] RAOF: find a server somewhere? [02:45] Yeah. Well, I've got one of my own, kinda. [02:45] It's just nicer on revu :) === TheMuso pats his bur.st webspace. [02:46] hey guys who makes the wireless drivers for the rt2500? [02:46] Any Australian who is willing to donate a few bucks to them can get 1GB of space, and assign a domain to it etc. [02:46] RAOF: ^^ :p [02:46] sacater: the rt2x00 project :-) [02:47] And its only open to Aussies. [02:47] TheMuso: That's pretty cool. [02:47] Nafallo: well my mate cant get his wireless to work [02:47] I don't suppose the domain comes with that donation? :) [02:47] RAOF: Indeed. [02:47] RAOF: Unfortunately, no. === TheMuso has themuso.id.au pointing to his. [02:47] Eh, got my own, anyway. [02:47] sacater: gutsy? [02:47] Nafallo: Feisty [02:47] Nafallo: with updates [02:48] Hm. I suppose I'll kill the RPATH, then call it a night. [02:48] sacater: the support is much better in gutsy IMHO. [02:49] Nafallo: hmm [02:49] Nafallo: well he cant even get a wireless connection === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras1-ff55c300-121.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:50] sacater: I'm not surprised... receiving upstreams CVS commits and all ;-) [02:50] Nafallo: hmm [02:50] Nafallo: so may he have a better change? [02:50] chance* [02:51] sacater: he could always try the desktop cd from Tribe-4? :-) [02:51] sacater: see if there is any luck etc... [02:52] hmm [02:53] he says he cant see tribe 4, with update-manager -d === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] sacater: let him check if it works with a desktopcd first rather. [02:54] sacater: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/tribe-4/ I think [02:55] wha [02:55] cant he just upgrade off of feisty === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] sacater: does he want instability even if it does not work then? :-) === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] Nafallo: i think he wouldnt really mind [02:56] sacater: sure. update-manager -c -d should be the command then I think. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === illustroflamma_ [n=illustro@host86-147-9-96.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] hi [02:58] hi [02:58] Nafallo: illustroflamma_ [02:58] hes the one with the trouble [02:58] hi illustroflamma_ :-) [02:59] Hi :D [02:59] Nafallo: does update-manager -c -d need sudo behind it [02:59] sacater: no, in front. [02:59] Nafallo: lol [03:00] Nafallo: nothing :S [03:02] Nafallo: why isnt it showing up [03:02] no idea. I'm already running gutsy, so can't check either. [03:02] let me try [03:03] sudo update-manager -c -d [03:03] should be correct. [03:03] worked for me [03:03] Is a u-u-s bug with a link to a source package acceptable? [03:03] RAOF: sure [03:04] Welcome to the dawning of a new, miro, age then === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] RAOF: miro, and other crackful things are banned :P === illustroflamma__ [n=illustro@host86-147-9-96.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:05] Miro is so fscking broken [03:08] A bit, yeah. [03:08] They probably shouldn't be re-implementing internal DBus functionality, for example. [03:08] RAOF: Aw, why not? That'd be boring. [03:09] Anyway, for those who want first-hand experience of crack, bug #129043 is available for you crackification [03:09] Launchpad bug 129043 in democracyplayer "democracy-player has a new version and a new name, please upgrade package in Gutsy" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/129043 [03:09] is there any way i can remotely connect to illustroflamma's machine [03:11] I'll also take this parting shot to say that there are a couple of xserver-xgl bugs someone could fix with my xgl branch :P [03:11] Night all! [03:11] ? === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === illustroflamma [n=illustro@host86-147-9-96.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] so there is no way for me to connect to illustroflamma's machine [03:14] ? [03:15] sacater: ssh would be the usual answer. and #ubuntu would be the usual asking place [03:15] Hobbsee: yeah i know, but illustroflamma doesnt have a domain name [03:16] so ssh is not very practical [03:19] <\sh> sacater, you need just an ip for ssh...no hostname needed [03:20] all i have is his router IP === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-246-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] but i cnat even ping it [03:20] <\sh> sacater, so he has to open the ssh port towards his machine...if you are not allowed, you have bad luck [03:20] he cant even log into his router [03:20] it was set up by BT [03:20] <\sh> bad luck... === illustroflamma_ [n=illustro@host86-147-9-96.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hroo772 [n=hroo772@63.210.44.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SniperBeamer [n=sniper@91.89.181.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=highvolt@dsl-244-193-132.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] hey all [04:19] Hi joo [04:19] jono even [04:19] hey ScottK [04:20] where can I find a list of all approved motu in launchpad? [04:20] jono: ~motu/+members [04:20] jono: ~ubuntu-dev I should think :-) [04:20] thanks [04:20] No, ~ubuntu-dev is deprecated. [04:20] Fujitsu: oh. thanks :-) [04:20] https://launchpad.net/~motu [04:20] And not consistent with ~motu any more. [04:21] aha :-) === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-186-149.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:28] hi jono [04:29] hey zul === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jimpop [n=jimpop@c-76-17-105-118.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jason [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] RAOF: Still here? === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CrummyGummy [n=CrummyGu@dsl-244-246-102.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] <\sh> jono: what about an ubuntu community team with sysadmin experience? ,-) [04:49] \sh: this is being discussed :) [04:50] <\sh> jono: cool...as requirement should be "more then 2 years experience" and "unix [not only linux] know how" [04:50] \sh: what's this for? === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] [04:51] <\sh> Hobbsee, most sysadmins who are working in serious dc environments and knowing their business have more then linux knowledge...you can filter the good ones from the semi-amateurs [04:51] \sh: true. i think i'm missing the context here at all. [04:52] oh well [04:52] <\sh> Hobbsee, tbh, those things should never happen like reported in UWN / jonos email [04:52] indeed [04:53] <\sh> Hobbsee, just because it gives the brand "ubuntu" the feeling of being unsecure, because nobody reads about "no clue about sysadmin-work and system security" [04:53] true [04:54] does someone feel generous, and want to go thru the sponsorship queue? [04:55] Hobbsee: I do it if I can :) [04:55] hehe [04:55] Kmos: no way :P === ScottK [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] [04:56] on the other hand, i can try by using the email interface [04:57] <\sh> ok..time to go home and finishing the "\sh" buildserver for packaging amarok...yeah [04:57] <\sh> cu later [04:57] siretart: why did you use -s for a sponsorship request? [04:57] siretart: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-initramfs/+bug/131552 [04:57] Launchpad bug 131552 in live-initramfs "Please sync live-initramfs (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] [04:58] siretart: in fact, see the comments on the bug === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee dumps one bug that isnt worth syncing [05:03] Hobbsee: err === Hobbsee dumps another one [05:03] Hobbsee: I didn't use requestsync.py, I filed it by hand [05:03] siretart: :) [05:03] siretart: no? weird. [05:03] Hobbsee: for the question: this is a new upstream release [05:03] Hobbsee: I want the new upstream in gutsy. I talked to panthera, and he prepared the package so it is usable in ubuntu [05:03] Hobbsee: why do you want to prevent the sync after all? [05:03] siretart: i'm more wondering why you subscribed u-u-s at all, instead of u-a [05:04] siretart: i didnt drop your bug. i'm just wondering why you did what you did [05:04] siretart: and no mention of why we can drop the ubuntu changes, which keybuk may well eat you for === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:04] and i dont think you want keybuk yelling at you [05:04] :) [05:04] Hobbsee: I didn't subscribe u-u-s [05:05] Hobbsee: check the activity log, some guy called Marco Rodrigues did [05:05] Kmos: ping [05:05] siretart: that's kmos. we've been having discussions like this already. thanks [05:06] hi :) === Hobbsee unsubscribes u-u-s again [05:06] Kmos: can you explain why you touched https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-initramfs/+bug/131552 please? [05:06] Launchpad bug 131552 in live-initramfs "Please sync live-initramfs (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [05:06]